0:01

Blackjack with Griffin

0:04

and David. Blackjack

0:07

with Griffin and David. Don't

0:09

know what to say or to expect.

0:12

All you need to know is that

0:15

the name of the show is Blackjack.

0:21

Stick to the podcast. Anticipate.

0:24

No bits. Thank

0:28

you. Today's going perfectly. Yes.

0:31

Great day. It's going as

0:33

well as the opening hit we see in the movie

0:35

The Killer. David Fincher's The Killer, where

0:37

everything goes perfectly. So good. One

0:40

of the things that's happening is a fun return

0:42

of an old recurring character on this show. Construction

0:45

in the building. Mr. Drill. Now

0:47

it's not... Previously it was construction

0:49

at the building next to us, which now is

0:52

quite erected. Quite a wreck.

0:54

It's getting there. It's getting hard. Yes.

0:57

It's getting hard. It's past

0:59

the semi-flaccid state. Did I say

1:01

on Mike what was happening in that building? That

1:03

I called the guy and they were like, yeah, we're destroying

1:06

a foundation with something I call

1:08

the hammer. Like a

1:10

vehicle. It's so powerful.

1:13

It smashes skyscraper

1:15

foundation. We are obliterating fossils.

1:18

We are fucking up dinosaur bones.

1:20

That's so funny. He was like, that's the thing. Once

1:22

that's gone, nothing makes noise like that.

1:25

Yes. But that thing shakes the earth. Because

1:27

now it's like in the last whatever it's

1:28

been six months, nine months, whatever

1:30

it's been. I have no sense of time anymore.

1:33

Now there's like half a building erected

1:35

and it's been quite as a mouse. But

1:38

there's some work happening in what sounds

1:40

like the unit right next to us. Well, there's no

1:42

unit right next to us, but there might be above us. I don't

1:44

know. Somewhere near us. Near us. And

1:47

it's not as overwhelming. It does feel

1:49

like a Trent Reznor Atticus Ross book,

1:51

does it not? There is just that sort of like

1:53

uncomfortable. The score

1:55

up for this marker. No, I was trying to fucking listen

1:58

on the subway here because I was reading this.

1:59

fucking the world's heaviest comic

2:02

book, The Complete Killer

2:04

by Jacques Amont and Matt. Matt. Jacques

2:07

Amont and Matt. Matt.

2:10

And I was like, I should listen to the score while reading this and

2:12

it's not out there. So I just listened to Dragon Tattoo.

2:14

Oh, you didn't listen to, you know,

2:15

every song in the Smith's catalog? Good done, Matt.

2:18

You know what? I could have done that. Good

2:20

done, Matt. You know what? I could

2:22

have done that. I had such a Smith face. I like them. Me

2:25

too. But this is like, we were talking about this the other day,

2:27

the Lynch thing where I'm like, I feel like people

2:29

think I'm being cagey if I'm like, I like the

2:31

Smiths or I like David Lynch because it's like, no,

2:33

either you hate them or your life

2:36

at some point was built around them. No,

2:38

you're saying it as someone whose life was never built

2:40

around it. Right. And I was like, any time I hear the Smiths,

2:42

I like it. Sometimes I choose to put it on. I

2:44

don't go deep on it. After

2:46

watching this movie, maybe it makes me better at shooting

2:49

people. Or what? Yeah,

2:51

I don't, you know, nothing in this movie you're like, if

2:53

I could only be like him, I'd be

2:55

good at my job.

2:57

He's pretty good with like a nail gun.

3:00

The stuff he's good at. Everyone would be good with a nail

3:02

gun if they were inches from a person's

3:05

torso. I've never used a nail gun. You overrate my

3:07

ability. I would fuck that up. I would not put

3:09

up. It's like a nail in your head. Yeah,

3:11

I nail myself. Let's

3:13

just blank check with Griffin and David. I'm David.

3:15

I'm Griffin. There you go. I'm

3:17

Marie. Hey, Marie. Ben

3:20

is not here, unfortunately, life

3:22

circumstances. Marie is jumping behind

3:24

the console and the one in the mirror. She's

3:27

on the almost as it is. Yeah,

3:30

one than two.

3:31

If this episode sounds like shit, please

3:34

direct all complaints. If the episode sounds like shit, it's

3:37

only the fault of the construction. Okay. I

3:39

don't know. Perfect out. Perfect

3:41

cover. Marie, empathize. Don't improvise.

3:44

Oh wait, I'm messing up the line. A genius

3:47

thinks of 10 ways they can catch

3:49

you. I'm not a genius. You only need to

3:51

think of one. Right? What's the fucking line here?

3:53

That's a good line. You know what I'm paraphrasing. It

3:56

is perhaps said better in this movie

3:58

directed by David Fincher. by Michael

4:00

Fassbender and by Andrew Kevin Walker. It's a

4:02

real studio. Yeah. When

4:06

was your Smith's phase?

4:07

It was high school

4:09

into college.

4:12

I very clearly remember getting dumped

4:15

by a guy

4:17

named Blake in college and

4:19

then walking along 14th Street at night

4:22

listening to, I know it's over on my

4:24

iPod and crying to myself as I walked

4:26

past the Taco Bell. First of all, Blake

4:29

on blast. Second of all,

4:32

RIP to the 14th Street talk about what I

4:34

say recently saw is no more. It's

4:37

gone. One of my favorite fast food

4:39

locations in Manhattan.

4:41

Oh my God. No, no, no, no, no. To be fair,

4:44

there are still Taco Bells. There are, but that one.

4:46

No, but that one, that was the birthplace of the Taco

4:48

Bell drawing club, which I don't know if you're familiar with

4:50

that, but that was like a Jason Paul and saying, RIP

4:52

the greatest. I think it literally just moved

4:54

to like 13th and third. I think

4:56

they're getting rid of it all. The old Taco

4:58

Bells and just doing the Cantina. And that was

5:01

one of the last Taco Bells that was like held

5:03

together by duct tape.

5:04

I mean, there was a pizza hut in there

5:07

at one point as well, right? Very

5:09

briefly a barbecue chain that my dad went all in

5:11

on and then got kicked out. He

5:13

invested in it? We won. You know what?

5:16

He went all in on me. He like parked himself

5:18

in a seat. He ate their ribs and he was like, gentlemen,

5:20

where do I invest? That's the kind of thing my father

5:22

would have done. Sir, we don't.

5:25

He's like, I'm leaving the money here. I'm opening up a

5:27

franchise location in my apartment.

5:30

My dad's still paying off 20 years late. What

5:33

was the barbecue? I think it was called Stubbs Barbecue. Oh yeah, that

5:35

was the thing. Oh sure, well that's, you

5:37

can get bottled sauce. Yeah.

5:41

But I think they briefly tried to make it a

5:43

restaurant. My dad was like, I'm putting my money down. Stubbs

5:45

is the next great chain restaurant.

5:48

Why are we fucking talking about this? Good

5:50

stuff. I love this one. There's always chains in this movement.

5:52

Right. There was the other, there was the Taco Bell

5:55

that got replaced by a piercing shop

5:57

next to the IFC. That was a really great one.

6:00

well and the one near UCB. Those were the last

6:02

three like Mos Eisley Cantina

6:04

Taco Bells rather than the upscale

6:06

Taco Bell Cantina. I do

6:09

love Taco Bell. Me too. But

6:11

to me it's like the moment

6:13

has to be right. Yeah. And then when I do

6:15

it it's I'm all in. I'm not getting

6:18

two things I'm getting like a bag where they're

6:20

like like this is your one?

6:22

And Taco Bell a little bit like the Smith's break

6:24

glass in case of emergency. Did I just get dumped?

6:27

Yeah. I'm buying 12 things from Taco Bell. Right.

6:29

Am I allowed to wallow or am I

6:31

like being a teenager? Am I like playing

6:34

video games all day with my friend or

6:36

something? Yeah. My Taco Bell time

6:39

is

6:39

you know when I go to a 9 or 10

6:42

p.m. screening. Yep. Didn't eat dinner

6:44

because I was stupid.

6:45

Yep. Get home. Yeah. I'm kind

6:47

of drunk because I did get drinks before the

6:49

movie. Incredible. I am too drunk.

6:51

Yes. And Taco Bell on

6:53

Seamless.

6:54

Oh yeah. Does he get there from my

6:55

apartment after midnight?

6:57

Is

6:59

it the one on Nostrand? I think so. Yeah.

7:01

Yeah. Good Taco Bell. Yeah.

7:05

I love a Crunchwrap Supreme. You've been there. I

7:07

know. Way to post docs yourself. I

7:09

don't live there anymore. Post docs. But I

7:12

think that was a Cantina. The

7:13

one on Nostrand. It was but then I think it's Un-Cantina.

7:16

They were quits the Cantina

7:19

and every time we went there and tried to take advantage of the Cantina

7:21

they were like we don't do that. Yeah. I would say

7:23

like that location that whole that

7:26

little that little Fulton and Nostrand

7:28

like yeah you don't want a Cantina there. People

7:30

are out all night you know in that

7:33

area. You don't want someone walking into three in the morning

7:35

and being like give me a you know whatever

7:37

they do. But this is part of the Cantina

7:40

thing is that people don't have to like

7:42

talk. I know. You just yeah. Much like the

7:44

killer. You just. Well that's

7:46

what we're talking about. It's true. It's

7:49

a podcast about filmography. It's directors who have massive

7:51

success early on the careers and giving a series of blank checks

7:53

and make whatever crazy passion passion

7:56

projects they want. And sometimes those checks clear

7:58

and sometimes they bounce baby. This is a main series

8:00

on the films of David Fincher, we're concluding our series.

8:03

Bye bye David. The curious pod of Benjamin Bullock

8:05

cast, they were talking about The Killer. His

8:07

new release, his new Netflix picture. His new film that

8:09

prompted this series, mini

8:12

series if you will. I think

8:14

it's more of a maxi series, a limited maxi series.

8:16

I agree, it's a limited maxi series. It's 40

8:20

minutes and over for submitting

8:22

to an award. You know how like

8:25

fast food it used to be like, you know, walking

8:27

up there and be like, Hey, can I get number six? We

8:30

used to have to talk to people. Exactly. But

8:32

like, it's like, you couldn't go up there and be like, listen, here's what

8:34

I want. I want 10 nuggets. I want a

8:37

cheeseburger with extra pickles. I want,

8:39

you know, another cheeseburger with no

8:41

pickles, but extra, you know, like now you can

8:43

just do your sick little order on

8:45

the computer. I disagree. You

8:48

disagree that you can't do your sick

8:49

order? No, well you can, but I was just at a

8:51

water burger

8:51

at Dallas Lovefield Airport

8:54

yesterday. And I said a water

8:56

burger. Should I wave

8:58

the lone star flag?

9:00

Ye frickin ha. But

9:03

I have a full conversation about adding

9:05

ketchup and mayo to my burger because

9:08

water burgers

9:08

are mustard forward. And I don't

9:10

like that. So I need to have get in the kingdom. This

9:12

is Burger King's whole thing for so long. Have it your

9:15

way. The South people are nicer. They

9:17

talk to you more. Yeah. But

9:19

I do like that I can just kind of be like, I want something

9:21

really awful. And I can't

9:23

tell you. I can put it in a computer. I like

9:26

not having to talk to people. Yeah, that's why

9:27

at the CVS, like self-checkout

9:29

kiosks are so successful because people don't want to

9:31

have to talk to people

9:33

when you're buying

9:34

condoms. Yeah, you know,

9:36

we all were rushing towards the same. Yeah,

9:38

we do. We do. We want to cut

9:40

out the middleman. I want to get a mega lube. But

9:43

these don't expire for another decade, right? Because I might

9:45

be sitting on them for a while. Do

9:48

these age actually like it'd be good to

9:50

actually get stronger? Yeah, that's

9:52

what I'm looking for here. I'm going to be

9:54

building up to using these. I bought condoms

9:57

in bulk from Costco once and it was one of the

9:59

most... Arrogant things I

10:01

had ever done. Yeah, that's inviting

10:03

a drought. Yeah, I was Yes,

10:07

it was underlining a failure to come

10:09

it was the reverse of Babe Ruth calling his own

10:12

shot It was Babe Ruth pointing

10:14

to the garbage can and saying this is where those

10:16

concepts are going Or it's Babe Ruth pointing to center

10:18

field and then like he gets hit in the head with the ball That's

10:21

retire from baseball Guys

10:23

like fuck you pointing if it's gonna hit you in the

10:25

head The collectible 10

10:28

but the killer is set in a world

10:31

Yeah, we might recognize given that it is our

10:34

world right where it's like you barely have to talk to

10:36

anyone anymore to arrange very complex Things

10:38

yes from gym memberships

10:40

to assassinations Yeah, one could argue

10:43

the film is a comedy about how we've created a world

10:45

that is ideally suited to sociopath

10:49

You can question whether it's a gig economy

10:52

But people who already have those tendencies

10:55

boy are they fucking feasting yes

10:57

gig economy murder gig economy murder

10:59

gig economy Jesus

11:02

gig a comedy. I've been reading

11:04

Pokemon. I've been reading the complete

11:07

play, but he's got you know I've been reading the

11:09

complete killer, which is 750 pages

11:12

long it looks like the Alan Moore from

11:14

hell volume or Johnson

11:16

blankets or whatever like it's a big big it's a

11:18

big book and I knew

11:20

that the movie is fairly

11:22

loosely adapted Yeah

11:26

Craig Johnson directed skeleton it one sounds

11:28

right. I hate sometimes just how quickly

11:30

my brain like Fucking ties

11:32

the red string from one thing to another But

11:36

this yes this book the size of my

11:38

butt That is the complete

11:41

is not that big Miller. Yes book. That's Five

11:44

times got your feet of my tiny

11:46

flat ass This

11:48

book has more curves than my butt does You're

11:52

reading weird off like yes that book is not

11:54

set obviously in 2023 I

11:56

didn't realize this comic started

11:59

in One

12:01

time and I was saying to Murray. I think

12:04

Fincher did not even glance

12:06

at Any of the volumes past a

12:08

certain point? I'm trying to figure out where the cutoff Sure

12:11

part is but it feels like everything from the movie is basically

12:13

taken from the first 200 some odd

12:15

pages and they've continued doing

12:17

new volumes of the killer up through 2018

12:20

I think there's also a new one coming out

12:22

to tie into the movie

12:23

wasn't this optioned a while ago?

12:25

Yeah, so I I saw this

12:27

there's a dossier

12:29

We have a dossier for this episode JJ

12:32

will make you a dossier for your

12:34

fucking bowel movements If you ask

12:36

him the killer of dossier is he just goes I?

12:40

Can figure out how to do this I saw

12:42

this home Last week

12:45

I went to a screening where

12:47

one David Fincher was in attendance along

12:50

with Andrew Kevin Walker Yeah, and

12:53

the editor Okay, and you

12:55

found designer for giving for better. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

12:57

no, no, no, no I've talked to very nice man.

12:59

Yeah Sound is not a Renk Weiss.

13:02

I believe so talk to him to ya for manke He's

13:04

really awesome Brad as hell But the

13:06

rent classes very good sound guys are always

13:09

cool because you're like, what did you do? And they're like, let

13:11

me tell you you know Like they're always so excited to tell you about

13:13

whatever baffling shit they did to get a sound

13:16

I talked about this with my dad Sound

13:18

guys and Murray. I wonder if you have the

13:20

same assessment sound team almost

13:22

always uniformly The best people on

13:24

this that cool people cool always cool

13:26

people And cool in some

13:29

ways that are commonalities across all of them and

13:31

sometimes they surprise you but it's always cool surprises

13:33

Where did you see it? Where was this with the hotel? It

13:35

was a fancy. That's a very nice screening

13:38

room No, did you get the little

13:40

candies? I got a little popcorn.

13:43

No candies. No, there was no moderator.

13:45

Oh Shit, well, David Fincher

13:48

was like we have no moderators. So just we're opening

13:50

it up and you're like dangerous Dangerous

13:53

and then it was mostly sort

13:55

of like guild members from different guilds. It

13:57

was an award screening, right? But it was like first

14:00

question was like hi I'm also a sound mixer

14:02

super detailed question I'm like easy that's

14:04

good you in a rules everyone

14:07

was asking questions that weren't like how many days do

14:09

you take to shoes or any improv in the film in

14:11

our modern generation how can stories

14:14

be told for younger audiences

14:16

there was no attention one dumb question I'll

14:18

maybe get to but it was like a real brass tacks screening

14:20

and Andrew Kevin Walker was like

14:23

you know I we worked together a lot but

14:26

he had not gotten a proper

14:28

screenwriting credit on any of his films and seven their

14:31

first on-screen collaboration right he's

14:33

like I'm always happy when center calls me

14:35

sure he calls me in like 2008 and he's

14:38

like I read a comic book I really like he sends it to

14:41

me I read it we get coffee

14:43

he's like I think backstories overrated

14:46

I think there's a spine of something interesting here here's

14:48

how I'd structure the movie it's like five

14:50

things right and he's like one chapter

14:53

right five Andrew Kevin Walker's

14:55

like okay write it down wrote down the notes of his

14:57

five-point plan of what the movie is just reduce

15:00

it to basically these five chapters these

15:02

five like movements five actions right

15:05

and he's like and then line

15:07

went completely cold presumably

15:10

they continue to work together in little capacity

15:12

let's think like I guess he wasn't really

15:15

involved because he was very involved I feel like in

15:17

a lot of earlier stuff yeah but

15:19

right I don't think he took a pass on like

15:22

social network or Dragon to two obviously

15:25

maybe they're friends yeah and like they worked

15:29

on one of those love

15:31

sex love death and robots so they worked

15:33

on one of those but he just says for 10

15:36

years it never came up in conversation once again

15:38

that's so funny and then 2018 he goes

15:41

do you remember that killer thing I do want to do that and

15:43

he's like here's my approach to how I would do it and

15:45

since you're recited because I still had the notes

15:47

I could check it word for word verbatim

15:49

ten years later picking up the thread right

15:52

the movie is these five things right and

15:54

he was like and now I'm set up at Netflix I want you

15:56

to start working on it so that's when they

15:58

like really crack into it but there's ten years between

16:00

him identifying it, picking the co-writer,

16:03

not commissioning the script, a word not

16:05

being written, and then him being like, let's go, let's

16:07

do this. That's crazy. I don't know what

16:09

JJ found in his research, but that's how

16:11

Andrew Kevin Walker told. Who knows what swill

16:14

he's dredged up for us. Hell yeah. No,

16:17

that's awesome. I mean,

16:18

that is certainly what you hear about Fincher

16:20

is right. It's like just in his brain,

16:23

whatever the idea is, or then yeah,

16:25

and then it's just sitting in there until

16:27

we leave it. Like a

16:29

kind of mad computer.

16:31

Yes.

16:32

Just

16:34

in case no one can hear that. Friend of mine, friend of the podcast,

16:37

Ben David Kravinsky, who watched

16:39

it last night, texted me and he's like, what a

16:41

burger. He's hanging with Ben David Kravinsky.

16:43

We're texting. Oh, texting. Are

16:46

you jealous? So jealous.

16:49

He was like fucking killer roles.

16:51

You guys must be so excited that you get to end on a rad one.

16:54

I was like, yeah. And he was like, it's Fincher

16:56

and Soderbergh land. Yep. So

16:58

true. And it's not just like stylistically, but it's

17:00

like even the attitude of him being like, haven't

17:03

done a hit man movie yet. Right. Let

17:05

me strip it down. Let me like play with just actual

17:08

craft. There's something to it's not

17:10

like this is a minor movie. Yeah, I think

17:12

it's going to be taken as one totally

17:15

because Soderbergh who works

17:17

so much faster will be like, you know what? I haven't done an erotic

17:19

thriller. I haven't done a this. I haven't done a that. Right.

17:22

And he's kind of like, all right, take your clothes off and

17:25

then I'm going to shoot. They don't set. I think

17:27

we're done. I'm going to just send that over to you. I'm

17:29

sure they'll do something with it. Yeah. So

17:32

much more meticulous and process involved and

17:34

so long in development that even when he's making

17:36

something like panic room, that's a bit of a genre

17:38

riff. It feels

17:40

like, well, I have to load as much into this as possible.

17:43

And this feels like him being like, let me just fucking strip

17:46

it down in a way that is very

17:48

cool. I agree

17:50

with that.

17:52

I think the Soderbergh mode

17:54

thing, totally true. Marie, where did you see it?

17:56

There are very good friends. I saw. Yeah.

17:59

Well, Wasn't Soderbergh watching several

18:03

cuts of the film. Oh, he locked it all the time. That's my

18:05

favorite part of the vlog, seeing like 20 cuts

18:07

of a fincher. Like cuts of a fincher, right?

18:10

Absolutely. I saw this movie

18:12

at a 1040 a.m.

18:14

screening at the Alamo Draft house. It was a

18:16

bunch of fucking sickos. Well, Marie,

18:19

I assume you mean the Alamo Draft house in New York City.

18:22

It was, I believe. Yes. Oh,

18:24

I thought you saw it in Texas. No, I was thinking about it in Texas. You saw

18:26

it and then you went right to Texas. And then I decided to see it in New York

18:28

before I got on the plane to go to Texas. To be clear,

18:30

you flew to Texas for a Toy Story themed birthday party.

18:33

That is correct. But with one

18:35

car? It was a Toy Story slash cars

18:37

hybrid

18:38

second birthday celebration. Which I look, I

18:40

made it very clear to Marie's nephew that I

18:43

thought he was muddying the cannons a little bit and he should try

18:45

to keep them clean. But we'll talk about that

18:47

later. There's no water burger in New York,

18:49

right? Did they attempt to one one? I don't think

18:51

so. I don't know. I just

18:53

wanted to go there. It's growing on me.

18:56

It's good. You're your wedding.

18:58

It was invoked many

19:00

times. Yeah. Your wedding.

19:03

My father in law. My father in law. By

19:05

the way, it's charming as hell. That was a charming.

19:08

Your father in law. Yeah, he's great.

19:10

His name's Manny. He looks like a Mexican

19:12

Charles

19:12

Barkley. Yeah. I mean,

19:15

yeah. Not wrong. Yeah.

19:16

But his speech was

19:18

about how, you know, I'm great except

19:21

I don't like water burger. You're not really like an

19:23

automatic fan of water

19:24

burger. But I'm like, as I said, mustard

19:27

forward burgers.

19:28

They don't. It's not a natural fit for

19:30

me. So, you know, it's taken time. But you

19:32

just have to learn the language to make the adjustments

19:34

to have it work for you, I guess, which it sounds like you're doing. Yeah,

19:37

I am. Yeah. I saw this film at

19:39

the Paris Netflix's own Paris theater. Part

19:42

of technically part of New York Film Festival. Right.

19:45

Um, bringing I was supposed to go to and

19:47

literally got like rained out of making it

19:49

in time. It was wet.

19:51

It was a wet night. Yeah. I mean,

19:53

it was a wet midtown, but I did see it there sitting

19:56

next to, you know, Jeff Wells and all

19:58

those fun folks. Jeff Wells was.

19:59

The killer of the online

20:02

film vlogging community. He recently

20:04

called me like a Marxist or something in Hollywood. I

20:06

can't remember which thing he called

20:09

me. He identified me as

20:11

part of the sort of Maoist over at Gotham. So

20:17

shout out to you, Jeff.

20:19

I saw it, loved it, was

20:21

so excited for other people to see it.

20:23

I'm sad it's not getting a 3000 screen

20:25

release or whatever. It's getting

20:27

a slightly wider release than other

20:29

Netflix movies. It was playing in

20:31

the Dallas metro area, so I could have seen

20:34

it outside of New York if I wanted to,

20:36

which is cool. So you saw it with dang

20:38

as Fincher Freaks like first thing in the morning Friday.

20:41

First thing in the morning on Friday. Was there a pretty healthy

20:42

crowd? I would say there were

20:44

maybe like 20 people there.

20:46

Okay, all with bucket hats?

20:47

No bucket hats. There

20:50

was one guy I thought might be Todd Field.

20:52

Okay. I believe it. You

20:54

got a big hat though.

20:55

Yeah, well, it was a guy wearing like a really big baseball

20:58

hat. And I'm like, is that the main baseball or whatever

21:00

he was wearing? Yeah. Was not Todd

21:02

Field. But yeah, I was the only

21:04

woman and it was a

21:07

bunch of freelance people. I

21:11

had two iced coffees and one order

21:14

of apple cinnamon donut

21:16

holes. Are they any good? Yeah.

21:19

Well, we all saw it desperately.

21:21

I felt so privileged to

21:23

see it in a theater because

21:25

I regret

21:27

for all of you people watching this movie on Netflix,

21:29

but the sound design is really

21:31

spectacular. You texted me

21:34

after you saw it and you said it's a great way to end our

21:36

series because it's so autobiographical.

21:39

Well, yes. I

21:41

think my enjoyment of

21:43

this movie is like at least 60%.

21:46

Since you're making fun of it myself. Since you're

21:48

making fun of it. That's how I look at it. And

21:52

make enough of himself, but make in front of how

21:54

we perceive him or how he thinks we perceive

21:56

him. You want my reductive like quippy

21:58

take on this movie? Well,

22:01

I can I just not go to your letterbox. I

22:03

haven't post I saved it for the episode I'm joking. It's

22:05

just it's a little joke about how some people use

22:07

their letterbox including me Yeah,

22:10

what what? Oh and what what a waste of the platform

22:13

Sick, it's sick that I won't write 1200 words

22:15

for every movie I see here for serious criticism

22:18

and instead I say like whatever, you know,

22:20

you know You know X

22:22

person, you know more like hot

22:24

person, right? Right, what

22:27

was your zodiac redo Without

22:34

thought yeah, I didn't know that I was doing basically

22:36

I braced Elias

22:40

Coteas Nick Yes,

22:44

yes my my letterbox

22:46

type clip on the movie is a Psychological

22:48

horror film about Davis since you're imagining a reality

22:50

where he's only allowed one take Oh

22:53

Right then but I like the

22:56

moment when he misses the shot. No, I know

22:58

I was like, that's what this is That's not a bear.

23:00

He weighs something a cold sweat Right that he

23:02

obviously feel some frustration

23:04

about his process being reduced to or focused

23:07

on Yeah, but it's like this feels like a self-admission

23:09

where he's like, you know, why I do so many fucking

23:11

pigs because if you only Dancer

23:16

yeah, no one can get it in one

23:19

That's insane

23:20

Duck killer there's I

23:23

didn't bring this up in the episode but when I watched

23:26

the Dragon tattoo with the commentary.

23:29

Yeah, there's a moment where Daniel

23:32

Craig walks back into his house.

23:34

Oh, is it when the bottle falls?

23:35

Yes I was wondering about how they did that

23:37

the bottle falls off the fridge

23:40

the fridge and he like catches it underhand and

23:42

like throws it over to the other hand and

23:44

then like kind of has a little like moment

23:47

of Like I nailed it and then walks

23:49

over to the table and the cat is in the perfect position

23:51

in the frame and fincher Was like it's one of those

23:53

takes where like there's no digital aiding

23:55

there. There's like no setup that actually

23:57

just happened everything lined up And

24:00

you're like ripping onto your armrest being like it's something

24:02

gonna blow this take and it didn't and I was like holy

24:05

shit That was a miracle. Let's do two more

24:07

Wait, what's the bottle? So was

24:09

the bottle falling intentional?

24:10

No, okay And

24:13

Craig nailed the catch

24:15

and then turn it such a movie star moment and then the cat

24:17

performs the right way where the cat was apparently always

24:20

like temperamental on that movie and Fincher

24:22

says the story as a sort of like self-parody

24:25

of like I wasn't even happy with

24:27

that take Yeah, right. And then I do more

24:30

before I went like what am I doing? I got

24:32

it. Yeah There's no miracle

24:34

better than that. Yeah, and this is the movie

24:37

where it's just like this guy's like I don't

24:39

improvise I come with a plan. I prepped

24:41

I've storyboarded. I hired the best

24:43

crew. Yeah, I have the best equipment Fuck

24:46

what if I fuck up and I think I won't shoot

24:49

until I'm fucking 60 BPM.

24:51

I've read out right all that shit

24:54

David yes,

24:55

the number one thing your mom wants

24:58

from you this

24:59

holiday season

25:01

is to call her

25:02

Okay, and you can give her a call. Of course you could you

25:04

could give her the thing she wanted, right? I think

25:07

I just outlined. I wanted definitely

25:09

the thing my mom wants the most sure

25:11

But you could you could plus it up a little bit.

25:14

You could add something on top I just dropped the

25:16

call and add whatever this is maybe that's

25:18

probably what I'm gonna do as well. All right. What

25:20

is it? And Aura digital

25:23

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25:25

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25:28

but what is an aura? Amazing

25:30

way to stay in touch David. Okay. Yeah,

25:32

let's say you got a family member who lives far away from

25:34

you My mom does that's true. Wait,

25:36

when you when you miss them

25:38

You know people talk about using pictures

25:40

and videos to stay in touch

25:42

Right. Yeah leafing through old photo

25:45

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25:47

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25:49

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25:53

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25:58

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26:00

to some cursed app, dig through

26:03

your photo roll to find memories

26:05

of old mama. But

26:07

it's like she can have it and then like I

26:09

can upload a new picture to it and she can see what

26:11

I'm up to? Yes. Oh, that's

26:13

kind of cool. You can kind of communicate through pictures.

26:16

And if you ask me, a picture is

26:19

worth 1000 words. So who needs the lousy

26:21

phone call anyway? Maybe my mom should just

26:23

chill out and not get on my case about not calling her enough.

26:26

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26:55

David Fincher is

26:57

the filmmaker we're covering today.

26:59

He made Manc.

27:01

I mean, it came out three years ago.

27:04

He's been in this Netflix stable for five

27:06

years, I feel like. Yeah. Like

27:08

he's had this deal for five years. That sounds right.

27:12

Like I know that this is like technically the last

27:14

year of a deal he signed.

27:16

But that's only for features. I think

27:19

it was a Netflix

27:20

deal. He's been working for

27:22

Netflix. But like, I think they were like, they gave

27:24

him some sort of overall deal. Because remember,

27:26

Manc and the Killer have both come out of that. He

27:28

dropped HBO and sets up the three

27:31

shows that don't go there. And Video Synchrosy

27:33

and the third one I'm forgetting. That didn't get

27:35

very far at all. He sets

27:37

those up after House of Cards.

27:40

Then he does Mindhunter. And

27:43

then I think he like signed specifically

27:45

a movie deal, which makes sense with 2018 the

27:48

year he goes back to Andrew Kevin Walker and says,

27:50

like, time to get the script done. I

27:52

can make the killer at Netflix. Right.

27:55

Well, he also had one other unrealized project,

27:58

a prequel to China. town that

28:01

he's been working on with Robert town.

28:03

Uh,

28:05

um, like I, which

28:07

I mean, God bless

28:10

David Fincher and do what you want, but I don't know if you

28:12

should do that.

28:13

The two jakes is like kind of

28:15

good,

28:15

right? But that's a sequel. Right. But

28:17

I'm just saying that is like a universe that has been

28:20

expanded.

28:21

But like Jack Nicholson hated it at the time. And

28:26

it's largely for God. It's a pretty flawed movie.

28:28

It's interesting. I think people still think of

28:30

that as like an untouched one and done masterpiece.

28:33

They just ignore. Yeah.

28:34

Yeah. And there is no young Nicholson.

28:37

And they don't know. No, there's no one. No

28:39

one fills that role. No one even

28:41

in the way that like, you know, there's increasing talk

28:43

about heat to a movie. We hopefully will

28:45

get to cover in some years. I'm pro

28:47

heat to right. But like everyone's sort

28:49

of like wishlist casting is like, well, you just

28:52

do it without driver and Oscar Isaac. Yes. And

28:54

it's like, those guys are not one to one with the

28:56

Nero and Pacino, but you're like, what works?

28:59

Serious actors with tons of integrity. And

29:01

they kind of have a similar like they've circled

29:04

each other for a while sort of thing. But

29:07

like there's no one analogous

29:09

to Nicholson right now. No one. No.

29:13

I don't know how you do that. It would specifically be a Jake Giddes.

29:16

Yeah. It's his time in Chinatown with Louis Cabard.

29:19

Of course, then the other thing he did was that Voir show.

29:21

We talked about that, you know, so he saw other stuff for Netflix

29:23

as well. But

29:25

instead, the killer, he also,

29:28

you know, he gave some interviews like we're working on this Chinatown

29:30

thing. And then he was like, I'm also playing with adapting

29:32

this French graphic novel about the assassin that

29:34

I've always like Paramount

29:36

initially had the rights to this. OK. Back

29:39

in 2007, Fincher told them to get the rights in

29:41

the rounds. So the act,

29:43

Benjamin Button double feature. Correct.

29:46

Yeah. And

29:49

the

29:50

yes, the book was released in 1998, but

29:52

it wasn't released in English until So

29:55

that's when he noticed it. Yes. In

29:58

France comics, Ben De did.

29:59

Yeah, bon designé. Yes. Don't

30:02

designé. They were pronounced better than

30:04

I did. Don designé. France,

30:07

basically, their main medium for

30:09

comics is like the midway point between

30:12

a single issue and a graphic novel.

30:14

Right. They are like thin, hardback books

30:18

that, yeah, are not like

30:21

30-page issues, but they're also not like

30:23

150-page compendiums of

30:26

a run. So

30:28

I think there are a series of

30:30

the bon designé before

30:33

it finally then gets adapted

30:35

over here into like the first volume,

30:37

which is maybe the first five chapters,

30:40

which I think seems to be the thing that Fincher

30:42

really read and took to.

30:44

When I lived in France, I was really

30:46

a big comic reader, and that was like the best thing about

30:49

France was it was like my comic

30:51

book consumption is not interrupted whatsoever. Yeah.

30:54

It was a country that understands me

30:57

buying my weekly comics. I

30:59

used to go to the store and buy like eight comics a week

31:01

or whatever. Tremendous, long-standing appreciation

31:04

for the art form. Comics

31:06

were taken seriously in France for a

31:08

very long time. Yeah, it's

31:11

always like some guy who's actually called Jean Jax.

31:13

Jean, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, what's your actual name?

31:16

Mitz. I

31:19

mean, Mitz.

31:20

Mitz.

31:21

Mitz, actually, apart

31:23

from being a comic book artist, had also worked on video

31:26

games at Ubisoft. Oh, that makes

31:28

sense. He's got credits on Rayman 3. Okay.

31:31

Good game. Fincher sell chaos theory, not one I've played.

31:34

He came up with a character. He thought about it maybe

31:36

as a novel, but then he was like, well, it's all silence

31:38

and monologue so visually it would be interesting.

31:42

So he starts working out as

31:44

a comic book. His

31:47

notion is just like imagine what a hitman thinks

31:49

about while he's waiting to do a job. So

31:51

there are a couple plot points

31:53

shared in broad, broad strokes.

31:56

But this is one of those things where Fincher really could have

31:58

been like,

31:59

I'm writing an original.

31:59

screenplay and not option

32:02

the rights or given credit

32:04

if he wanted to play dirty pool because

32:06

it really feels like the main thing he's jamming on

32:09

like is Movie in the

32:11

head of hitman dealing with the mundanity

32:13

of it, right? That's the thing the biggest thing He's

32:15

taking from the book the character in the book. I would argue

32:17

is quite different Okay, first of all

32:20

in the book and I know bucket had

32:22

burned the book I don't even want to hear about it anymore Throwing

32:24

fire in the Q&A the one stupid question

32:27

was this woman was like Michael Fassbender

32:29

so

32:30

Good in this and the accent I cannot

32:32

believe the accent

32:34

How did you get that out of

32:36

him

32:36

and Fincher was like well, I saw Prometheus I said

32:38

that guy's a good sociopath write that down for later.

32:41

I'll find a use for him He has these card

32:43

catalogs who said like romantic lead so

32:45

really fast Like he's just like throwing people

32:48

maybe a second movie he listed but his line was

32:50

truly There are many movies that you could

32:52

watch and think like wow this Fassbender guy is

32:54

giving sociopath his line was he said

32:56

like jobs Yeah, fucking Assassin's

32:58

Creed. I mean like I

33:00

go to see Prometheus and I go hmm sociopath

33:04

Write that down for later Like

33:07

he's one of those actors though Like that when it was

33:09

like Fincher is working at fast wonder you're like, yeah Well, they

33:11

work together all the time and like right no They haven't

33:14

they have because fast under kind of got

33:16

big after Fincher stopped making

33:18

a lot of movies Yes, and then also they

33:20

seem a match in terms of Next

33:23

goal wins which I think is

33:26

by the time this comes out probably the most acclaimed film of

33:28

the year Right is marching its way straight to

33:30

an

33:31

Oscar sweep or like his first

33:33

movies in almost five years

33:35

Yeah, well, he's gone.

33:37

He's gone all in on raising said he had to

33:40

structure the shoot of this movie around like

33:42

Le Mans Yeah, like what's the down

33:44

season for racing where we have a very specific

33:46

window where he will do this He is a hundred

33:48

percent into car racing.

33:51

I believe Porsche is actually his Manufacturer.

33:54

Oh when I said for ariang,

33:56

I know you were meant like I

34:01

do this insane thing and risk my life. No

34:05

Like we haven't talked about Ferrari yet,

34:07

but like that is the vibe of Ferrari It's not

34:09

like oh cargo fast. How fun it's more like

34:11

why do we do this to ourselves a little bit the vibe

34:14

of Michael Pass better these days to like masculinity

34:16

in crisis. Yeah Yeah,

34:19

I guess he's got well. He's in next hole

34:21

and as I said this

34:22

movie films like what like 15

34:24

years ago Yeah, but before that what

34:27

was his last? So

34:28

before these two

34:30

Before like a light between oceans

34:32

are one of those questions as Jesus. Is it

34:34

that far back? Okay? We'll take a look just like basically a

34:36

five-year gap. Oh Fucking

34:39

dark Phoenix dark Phoenix 2019. He's

34:41

all over that movie. He is so

34:44

in that movie. It's insane Marie He's

34:46

definitely in Every act

34:49

of it. It's that clever thing they do where you're like well

34:51

fastbenders in the whole movie Like

34:53

well sure for five minutes at a time

34:55

every 25 like the budget version of

34:57

crack. Oh, he's like I built a city I

35:00

built a city see there's six people

35:02

here in the right field and I can be on set for

35:04

five days and we can Distribute these scenes

35:06

across the entire length of them There's the insane

35:09

action sequence of the movie where they cross the street Yeah,

35:11

like literally an entire set piece of them crossing

35:14

a street in Manhattan. Yeah, he's

35:16

part of that Yes, don't really remember.

35:18

I don't even remember what like his Goals

35:20

are in that. Okay, but that's four years ago.

35:22

Wait, and then what was what was right before that

35:25

one light between oceans Oh, no.

35:27

Oh, oh Harry. Oh, yeah He

35:30

had two movies really break him in a

35:33

row and I say light between oceans to a

35:35

Lesser degree. Well, I mean oceans was even

35:38

before that

35:38

was like God Covenant

35:40

in there. Okay as well, which is you

35:43

know, he's very good. He's going the Creed and gave

35:45

yeah He's doing the Creed and he's from a cause

35:47

and get a form of the lifetime. He's job No

35:51

good Steve drops felt like the level-up moment

35:53

for him where it was like he finally got the

35:55

Oscar nomination People thought he was snubbed

35:57

for for 12 years of slave and support

36:00

And then he gets the lead nomination in Steve Jobs

36:03

and even though that movie bombs, it's like welcome

36:05

to the club fast bender Yeah, you're one of our

36:08

leading if you're gonna do a big performance We're gonna

36:10

pay attention right and then he's like the

36:12

X-Men movies at that point are Lesson

36:15

stable where it's like he's got a franchise

36:17

that's still going He's

36:20

gets to make these movies and then get the

36:22

wheels really fall off. He's good in the first

36:25

X-Men Yeah,

36:28

don't really remember what he does in I don't

36:30

know at all

36:31

Movie I'm I'm so curious

36:34

if you were to watch it now would it completely like

36:36

disintegrate in your hands? Yes, it sucks I've

36:38

rewatched it. I'm not a fan of yeah apocalypse

36:41

he destroys Auschwitz and goes Like

36:45

that, but I don't remember anything else that he doesn't that one like

36:48

that's that's his big moment Why don't that he made four

36:50

of them? But it's wild that any of them

36:53

did correct like you're like well Jane Lauren Jane

36:55

for Lawrence dropped out of the fourth one I know she did

36:57

it. Yes, she dies none of them bail And

37:01

then they all gave those interviews or they were like we were just

37:03

so happy to work with a new director on

37:05

this film Yes And

37:07

that's important, right? They all

37:10

very much made it sound like Kinberg

37:12

was the guy who was vaguely keeping

37:14

things calm for three movies in a row

37:17

So we all felt we owed it to him

37:20

to repay the favor for the one where he was

37:22

actually director and it worked out Great for everybody.

37:25

Well,

37:26

don't worry because they're going to rescue

37:28

the MCU

37:30

Yes, okay. Yeah, that's

37:32

gonna happen Yeah, David and I've been

37:34

texting back and forth and I keep on going like

37:37

here's a take on how you could create I like what

37:39

if you did this and I'm like, I don't I

37:41

don't know man David Yeah

37:43

nuke it from all of all Molotov

37:46

cocktail run away. I

37:48

just keep watching Loki

37:50

and keep being like I don't even

37:52

know who is good or bad Yeah, and I'm not

37:54

saying that in a morality has law

37:56

I'm literally like I don't know what the goal

37:59

is Yeah, I don't know who

38:01

to root for we want this to go away

38:04

or stay And also who

38:06

wants that that you know? And

38:08

that's just like what like what are these movies

38:11

about anymore nothing?

38:12

They're about nothing okay?

38:24

I'd say your Seinfeld impression is pretty bad

38:26

So

38:30

fin she's got his deal with a plus boy

38:34

And his deal with Netflix he likes the graphic novel he

38:36

says he likes the

38:37

nihilism he likes the self-loathing

38:40

he likes the inner monologue All

38:42

these things he tells himself and and much like you

38:44

know make him feel essentially

38:46

better Yes, his

38:48

monologue reliable should we take it as gospel

38:50

is he negotiating with himself much like Soderbergh's

38:53

HBO max deal where it's like I

38:55

do mean just max. I'm sorry now. It's a

38:58

max deal But the deal he signed

39:00

with

39:00

HBO max where it's just like

39:01

so I don't have to go through the process of

39:04

pitching these Over and over again. Yeah Trying

39:07

to put too many commercial elements together Can

39:09

I just like pick a simple thing and

39:11

load it with a couple stars and you get off my fucking back if

39:13

the number's small enough Killer kind of

39:15

feels like since you're trying to do the same thing right if like

39:18

if I get one bankable name for you And

39:21

it's an Azure, right? like

39:23

if I get one bankable name for you, and it's

39:25

in a genre that kind of makes sense of a thumbnail

39:27

image and The movie is less

39:30

complicated than what I usually make will you just let

39:32

me be right can I just like

39:34

give me the money? And I'll give you a movie

39:36

in nine months. Yeah, you know whatever

39:38

I'm all for it.

39:41

I mean I just wish 3,000 theaters

39:44

here's

39:45

here's my take give me six weeks in 3,000 theaters

39:48

no my thing is yes I would prefer that he was making

39:50

movies that were put into 3,000 theaters

39:53

given proper runs Apple

39:55

TV is currently Apple Plus

39:58

is currently the one doing it right

39:59

Where they like make the thing they know they'll own it forever

40:02

Yeah, but then they make a deal with the distributor and you're

40:04

like normal free money,

40:06

right? It is free money for you,

40:09

but also the thing they all find and Netflix

40:11

has different business strategies ie

40:14

they want to destroy theaters and also diminishing

40:18

the meaning of money Sure,

40:20

obscure what money they want up

40:22

to be down and left right. Yes

40:25

I can't imagine how this movie is going

40:27

to play on Netflix It'll

40:29

be boring because you need to be locked in

40:31

all need to be locked down

40:34

Terrible both the movies you made for Netflix.

40:36

It's like he's like I'm making these cuz they'll give me

40:38

the money to make them Yeah, they're both uniquely

40:41

bad for streaming

40:42

Like yes, okay What I was gonna say

40:44

the upside of like the Soderbergh HBO

40:47

deal right max deal

40:49

Which I I wish more of those films got

40:51

theatrical releases other to magic Mike is

40:54

that like he works fast Right

40:56

except that he works in genres that people won't

40:59

finance as theatrical films anymore And

41:01

he's like, you know what great if you I get to make three

41:03

of these a year The the trade-off

41:05

is they're not gonna get to go theaters But I can like

41:07

keep them going and I have stability Fincher

41:10

works too slowly for him signing

41:12

a five-year deal at Netflix to be worth it

41:14

I would argue from our vantage point as

41:16

the audience Yeah, where I'm like if the trade-off

41:19

was these don't go to theaters, but I don't have

41:21

to wait three years between Fincher movies It's

41:23

not like that's an artificial break because Fincher

41:26

can't get things off the ground It's because he

41:28

takes time to do things right He

41:30

doesn't care fun Like if it's five years of him

41:32

taken off the board only to have his shit

41:34

go to Netflix And as you said both of these

41:36

movies are him making things that he knows the

41:38

studios wouldn't green light But

41:40

that specifically don't play

41:42

well at home Yeah,

41:44

like make I want to hear that

41:46

sound in the theater. We still we talk

41:48

about that on that episode

41:50

Here if I have this on how

41:52

am I how is my mind not gonna wander? How

41:54

you not gonna check your fucking phone and then you're no better

41:56

than the killer himself

41:58

Exactly what you should do is you should watch it

41:59

But sitting in like, you know, a sort

42:02

of like a lotus pose with a BPM monitor.

42:04

Yeah. And if it goes above 60, you pause the movie. Yes.

42:07

In a we-work. Yes, in a we-work.

42:10

In an abandoned we-work. Funny. The

42:12

thing I was going to say before I distracted myself with six

42:14

other points. This woman who was like harping

42:16

on the accent, right? And Fincher

42:18

says like, good sociopath. And

42:21

then she was like, but like he's,

42:23

do you know he's Irish?

42:26

Like that's not how he usually talks. Like

42:27

how did he do that? Fincher's like, you're kidding me. What?

42:30

What's going on? Yeah. I

42:33

think he did that bit. Right. But

42:35

this woman was acting like she has never heard anyone speak in a voice

42:37

different than their own speaking voice before.

42:39

But she was like, but was that your decision to make the

42:41

character American? What is he in the book?

42:44

And Fincher's like, that's a good question because I read

42:46

the English translation. I guess I never considered

42:48

it. Yeah. Like what is the

42:50

book? The book is the French motherfucker of all

42:52

time. This is the most Parisian looking

42:55

dude in history. You were asking if he has the bucket

42:57

hat. He's like a man filled with ennui,

43:00

tiny little glasses, half smoked

43:02

cigarette constantly dangling off his lip,

43:05

thin mustache sitting outside

43:07

Parisian cafes. Keeps on saying

43:09

like, I got to go back to Paris. There

43:12

is no ambiguity about how French this guy

43:14

is. Whereas this character in the movie is

43:16

he's like an American from nowhere. Right.

43:19

Like that's the vibe. That's the other thing. This

43:22

guy, as much as you're living in his, in

43:24

his head, his internal voice, this

43:27

guy is like pontificating on

43:29

ship more. There's slightly more backstory,

43:32

which Fincher was like, I want the experiment of like,

43:34

is that necessary? Right. Can

43:36

we make a movie where you only know about the guy in the present?

43:38

We don't fill any of this in, but it's more

43:41

that like this guy's inner monologue is closer

43:43

to Edward Norton and fight club

43:46

where he's making like value judgments of the

43:48

broken society around him. Sure. Whereas

43:50

fast benders sort of just going like, excusing himself

43:53

and saying like, yeah, the whole world's bad. This guy's

43:55

like stewing on it and is like,

43:57

I have landed in this position as a moral

43:59

concert. of. Interesting sounds better

44:02

to me. Yeah. Yeah. The book is fun. Yeah. You

44:04

know, it

44:06

took me six more years to finish reading it. But

44:08

yes, it's like this guy is, you

44:11

get a lot more emotion out of him. Yeah.

44:13

You have a lot more of a real advantage

44:16

point and personality. The

44:18

thing that it shares with the book is

44:21

the sort of Venezuela

44:23

kind of hamlet

44:25

his dream away from

44:27

this job. Right. Right. It's Dominican Republic.

44:30

In the book, it's Venezuela. Okay. Sorry. And

44:32

it's like he has the place, but he's much more

44:34

consciously working towards like five million

44:37

is the number where when I hit that I leave

44:39

this behind and I like retire

44:41

there forever. Yeah. And there's like a woman

44:43

he's involved with, but it's not as clear-cut a relationship

44:46

as this. This is his. And the book

44:48

does have the thing or at least this first chunk that

44:50

Fincher adapted of like the one

44:52

hit that goes wrong and the ripple effects

44:55

of it. But the way all of it plays

44:57

out is different. All right. So yeah, that's

44:59

all that's really kind of in common. It's

45:02

good. No, it seems

45:04

pretty good. I like French comics. I

45:06

read all of them. If I very loose kind

45:09

of

45:09

pulling surface elements kind of thing. Fincher

45:12

has acknowledged that they selected

45:14

a bucket hat early on because they

45:16

wanted the idea of like this guy wears everything that

45:18

could just be bought in an airport. Right. Like

45:21

he had the dreamers disease. I drove that

45:23

made kind of a joke. Yeah. It's

45:27

an important joke. It's important because in

45:29

that he actually does have the dreamers. He caught the dreamers.

45:31

Right. And then he saw a bullet train

45:34

and you know, he pit it hard and told him like, I wear a bucket

45:37

hat and bullet train. He's like, okay, well you're stepping

45:39

in our sandbox when you do that. But fine.

45:41

Well, I mean, when this bucket hats have had

45:43

like a

45:44

cultural resurgence, who's

45:46

responsible?

45:47

Gen Z. Oh God, him

45:49

again. Yeah. But tick, but

45:51

like, sorry guys,

45:52

tick tock boys. I mean, like

45:55

bucket hat. Yeah. It's like ever, you know, we're

45:57

bringing back the fashion from the

45:59

late nine.

45:59

early 2000s. Yeah. I'm just

46:02

here to tell you Gen Z. It wasn't

46:04

good then. No, it was never good. Yeah, like that wasn't

46:06

a good time. No.

46:08

The world wasn't singing

46:10

with life. Yeah.

46:13

2001, no, but 99. I

46:16

mean

46:17

look, I was 13 years old. That was geeky,

46:19

radical. Yeah, I mean I was having

46:21

a good time, i.e. playing Golden

46:23

Eye. I had

46:24

a chair in my room. Three.

46:28

That I

46:29

blew up. As did I my friend.

46:31

Mine was blue. What color was yours?

46:32

Mine was yellow smiley face pattern.

46:34

Hell yeah.

46:35

Yeah, and I had also had a lava lamp.

46:38

I was more of a beanbag guy. I had

46:40

a beanbag too. The thing about my blow-up

46:42

chair, which I assume cost

46:44

$15 because at the end of the day,

46:46

it's just a bunch of plastic. It

46:49

was surprisingly durable. Yeah. Those

46:51

things lasted. No, those things were

46:53

great. We used to be a proper country.

46:55

We used to make things. Yeah. Things to

46:57

last. I was probably like leeching all kinds of things

46:59

into my system or whatever. Yeah.

47:02

I think the killer could have had an inflatable

47:04

chair.

47:05

That would be funny if he's like, all right, I'm here

47:07

to stake out. But

47:11

I like the two-pronged thing of yes. Like everything

47:14

comes straight from the airport for him. This man exists

47:16

in transition. So he looks like nothing. But also he

47:18

says at some point that he bases looks specifically

47:20

on a German Taurus he saw who

47:22

identified as the guy that people would least want

47:24

to talk to. I mean, that's

47:27

the joke in the movie. He wants that to be like this. No one wants

47:29

to talk to him. He's not to be half anonymous, but anyone who would

47:31

notice him was like, Taka seems a little annoying.

47:34

100 percent. People are always ignoring

47:36

Taurus. He's not James Bond or a guy's flight coach.

47:39

This is a Fincher quote. Another

47:42

one is basically just like he's James Bond

47:44

by way of Home Depot.

47:46

Kate Adams is a costume designer.

47:48

She was an assistant costume designer.

47:50

Mindhunter bets are only other credit.

47:53

So Andrew Kevin Walker, as you say,

47:55

they had been close collaborators. So like,

47:57

right. Andrew Kevin Walker literally worked on the game

47:59

and fight. I think he might have also had

48:01

some role in panic room. He's in that movie

48:04

as a joke You know one the cops were all

48:06

named after him right and then like he

48:09

also like worked on his fincher

48:11

Fincher's 20,000 leaks under the sea movies that ever

48:13

happened. He worked on a dragon tattoo sequel

48:16

script. I think that you know

48:18

They took a first like glance at

48:20

or something dragon tattoos

48:23

Yeah,

48:23

we're swerving away from the books. Yeah, it's just

48:26

about her get more ink. I

48:27

Was told she the second

48:29

book like there's

48:30

a major plot line where she gets breast implants. She

48:32

sure does Yeah, it's a real sign of

48:34

how the books are definitely good

48:36

in every single way with no problems whatsoever Romley

48:39

just saw it and we were talking about how good

48:41

the ending was she had never seen it before and she was like So

48:43

what happens in the sequel and I was like they didn't

48:45

make it and she was so convinced

48:47

culturally that three of them had happened Because

48:49

they feel like there's been so much

48:51

of them. Yeah, and I guess it's that weird combo

48:54

of like well We talked about that talked about

48:56

um But I understand now they're

48:58

doing record it. Yeah,

49:00

they're doing all the TV TV

49:03

show Is it on Amazon? I forget one of the one of

49:05

the one of the workers are now doing yeah

49:07

Like the Millennium trilogy. Yeah again

49:09

as a TV show. I'm

49:12

sure that'll be good He'll be so good

49:14

and I'm gonna commit here to covering every

49:16

episode

49:17

Fincher credits

49:19

Walker with the sort of like contemporary

49:21

consumerist angle that this movie has

49:24

right like all that stuff Like him

49:26

interfacing with modern technology today.

49:28

That was his idea

49:30

Things like the you know

49:34

Key fob copier sure I mean the technology

49:36

is not in there But the attitude very much is

49:38

of the book is very like there is no ethical

49:41

consumption under Capitalism all

49:43

of us are complicit in this how am I doing

49:45

anything worse than anyone else? But yeah, I

49:47

think the the way technology

49:50

Opens up the process

49:52

Which is obviously a thing Fincher is interested in

49:55

of like how would you actually do this Wow?

49:58

Right, I just I just type

49:59

key fob copier

50:02

Amazon Prime get one tomorrow no that's

50:04

the thing yeah Finner literally said

50:06

to Aventree Kevin Walker like that's a

50:08

thing right and he's like oh I don't think so well let me

50:10

check on Amazon put it in he was like wait you

50:12

can just buy one for like $20 fucking

50:15

day delivery right exactly oh

50:17

it's so wild I

50:19

mean we're jumping at but that's my favorite

50:21

sequence of the movie where you're just like him

50:24

spending the two days figuring out how

50:26

he's gonna get into our list or Howard's apartment

50:28

so good yes

50:31

okay so Andrew Kevin Walker brings in the sort

50:33

of modern tech angle so that's cool

50:35

a very clever idea I think an

50:37

intricate walker obviously you know I think he'd had

50:39

some of that in Fight Club to look

50:41

the idea of the name tags yes his that's what

50:43

the book is very similar to that and the book is also

50:46

very caught up in the tedium

50:48

of like people think this job is flashy a lot

50:50

of it is boring a lot of it is waiting

50:53

but I think Fincher brings to it the energy

50:55

of the the film production thing

50:57

of like the hurry up and wait energy specifically

51:00

right of you're like laying in wait

51:02

trying to maintain concentration for the

51:05

one moment things need to count the samurai

51:08

sighted yes yes as

51:10

a obvious very Melvillian film

51:13

I love that film do you guys like

51:14

that movie the samurai the

51:16

samurai he's a cool fucking good it's

51:18

cool but it's also like this movie it's like this is a

51:20

bummer this guy's life sucks he's an idiot even

51:22

though he's so hot yeah got a great hat

51:24

well that's not right he is a better hat that's the best thing about

51:27

this movie is that this guy is an idiot and he

51:29

is not particularly good at what he does

51:31

better a killing than I am yeah

51:34

he's not bad but he's not bad

51:36

how does someone inflated opinion on himself right but

51:38

maybe no one is great at this because that's just

51:40

such a weird job

51:42

I'm just saying maybe

51:43

maybe no one should be good at this I mean like

51:45

so Link later's hit man which is not coming out

51:47

this year but we'll come out sometime soon also

51:49

on the sterling streaming service Netflix

51:52

in fucking theater is

51:55

is kind of like about like that's not that

51:57

doesn't exist right that is such a good take for

51:59

a hitman

51:59

No such thing. I think this is purely a

52:02

construct of fiction right like sure people

52:04

occasionally will be paid to kill someone

52:07

But it's not like there's someone who's like that's my job

52:09

call him and I'll go do it right

52:11

but because people think it's a job Someone

52:14

can pretend to be one. Yes, that's so sure

52:17

and I mean it's an incredible movie I thought

52:19

it was okay, but you thought it was just okay.

52:22

No

52:22

someone else just thought it was okay I thought

52:24

I know I thought it was good It was very enjoyable But

52:26

I'm like we used

52:27

to make these kinds of movies all the time and I think

52:29

it's just like a scarcity thing where We're so excited

52:31

to see

52:32

this kind of movie. I

52:34

Just I don't care. I'm really excited

52:36

to see that kind of movie. I just want to on the record.

52:38

I disagree It's a very link later in movie

52:41

to me like it's him doing a noir, which is

52:43

like a weird I'm surprised

52:44

not this isn't a dig against

52:47

him. It was just more my expectations with movie. I'm surprised

52:49

at how sexy it was Fucking

52:51

that is that was like my favorite

52:53

part. Yes, I'm made Glenn Powell aggressively

52:55

sexy films. Yeah Link

52:58

later no like before But

53:00

I'd say those are romantic movies and they're

53:03

filled with tension, but I wouldn't say Sexy

53:05

in the way that I get what Marisa for sexy

53:07

in this the way that this this was

53:10

kind of horny That's maybe the word. Yeah.

53:13

Yeah like that his other films

53:15

are not so much Scratch

53:17

the out-of-sight itch Which

53:20

is a really good itch

53:21

look that Glenn Powell is

53:23

a scratch and inherently sexual

53:25

actor And I'm very excited to watch him in

53:27

let me see here sober

53:30

erotic thriller Anyone

53:32

but you that's what it seems to be from

53:34

the trailer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Clearly

53:37

this is that way you got a trailer movie

53:39

with no joke that trailer is banana

53:42

What's up? I see a kind of source that

53:44

some kind of survey that was done clearly that was like

53:47

this will trigger Some auto

53:49

response in young people like that has

53:51

to be with no Fucking responses

53:53

from cinema con you trust them as far

53:55

as you can throw them right a bit like

53:57

the two of them come out Everyone's like they're fucking

53:59

Are they fucking in real life? And then

54:02

they played clips from the movie and people were describing scenes

54:04

where it's like He gets stung by a scorpion

54:07

and she has to suck the poison out. I'm like classic

54:09

fucking comedy Hijinks

54:14

yeah, and then I see this trailer and it's

54:16

like fucking four shades of gray

54:19

It's what they're selling

54:20

not even a full 50. Well, maybe

54:23

it'll be good fuck is going on I hope

54:25

it's good. Also. It's gonna bomb my

54:27

fucking vulture movie League draft Really

54:30

when you know, oh, yeah one. How much did you spend

54:32

on that? I don't know, but it was a big bet for me

54:35

Alright, so fastpenders. We know he basically

54:37

just drives cars now But he

54:39

did like the idea of this movie like a slow-drip

54:41

suspense thriller He

54:44

had not made a movie since next goal wins, which

54:47

you made before lockdown, right? Petfilm

54:49

push on 2019. Yeah, so

54:52

he was ready to go back to work I will say

54:54

his performance next goal wins is he

54:56

feels scared in that movie? That's

54:58

better. Just feels like like not in a good

55:01

way. It just feels like he's like, what am I supposed to do here?

55:03

Yeah, and like he's like the worst match.

55:06

I mean, I've said yeah it's like for like Taika

55:08

humor imaginable

55:09

Yeah, has he done?

55:12

Comedy he hasn't and anytime

55:14

he thinks about doing it again. He should watch next goal. We're

55:18

Funny like Prometheus or where like

55:20

there's like a weird Oh, I don't think this movie

55:23

is funny and this movie is funny and like in glorious

55:25

bastards like he can be funny But he's

55:27

also perfect example of a star

55:30

where if they announced he was hosting SNL I

55:32

wouldn't be like

55:33

that's what's gonna be good

55:34

and sometimes they announced a dramatic actor and you're

55:36

like, you know What I bet fucking

55:39

Adam driver is gonna cut it up and he gets in there and he

55:41

does Yeah, I don't feel like fastpender

55:43

could like get goofy

55:45

Adam driver for when he did work

55:47

on girls I don't know now comedy, but

55:50

like he's a hundred percent funny. Maybe not the right exam.

55:52

No, no I think he's a solid example, but you know

55:54

that thing sometimes will they'll announce like a totally

55:56

serious actor? So sing SNL and you're like

55:58

they might show us a side

55:59

We don't know about them right I mean

56:02

I didn't watch anything with Pedro Pascale

56:04

in it except the last of us You're

56:06

so fucking good on us so funny on Saturday

56:08

life. Yeah, I was like Oh, I didn't know you were you

56:11

were a silly boy

56:12

I'm trying to see the last

56:14

Like yes act out and I mean Brendan

56:16

Gleason, but that guy can be funny But

56:18

that was one word when they announced that episode you're like this

56:20

is gonna rip. Yeah Yeah, putting

56:22

that guy in any wig is gonna be funny I

56:25

mean walk-in is like kind of the most extreme example

56:28

and Baldwin to a lesser degree of like neither

56:30

of them were doing that Much comedy before SNL

56:33

it did kind of totally shift there.

56:35

They've done a couple comedy things but

56:37

like

56:37

Funny and married to the mob

56:40

and beautiful. It's like a

56:41

light Comedy. Yeah, but yeah, but he's

56:43

doing a different type of funny in those right? You're right. I

56:45

mean he was more funny Professor

56:48

does not strike me as funny Fincher said

56:50

in the Q&A that like halfway through

56:52

filming The

56:54

fast bender came up to him and said I I think I

56:56

finally get what you're looking for

56:58

Yeah,

56:59

he said what and fast bender went precision

57:02

modeling

57:03

Wow,

57:04

and he said it with this tone of like yeah,

57:07

I get it now I can do that for you I know it was

57:09

like right that kind of makes me feel like shit Please

57:12

that makes him feel like he's you know

57:14

playing war hammer or whatever. Yeah Yes But

57:17

he said like I think it was a the

57:19

editor was the one saying this of like he

57:21

is he is so Incredibly still

57:24

in this movie and for so many

57:26

like long held shots

57:29

Where he needs to be like maintaining his

57:31

head in the exact same position of the frame for

57:34

an extended period of time and just giving you like

57:36

Micro expressions

57:38

and that is like kind of really extreme

57:40

tough technical shit He says

57:42

Fincher says he's like Daniel Craig both

57:44

of them are kind of like that and are like

57:47

I can do better I can do better like yeah, like like

57:49

the lots of takes Like

57:51

Fincher says like I can tell him to stop a third

57:53

of an inch shorter and he'll do it. Yeah

57:56

Sounds

57:56

crazy. The reason modeling. I was very impressed

57:58

by his yoga posing

57:59

Mm-hmm. I imagine he's a guy who

58:02

does a lot of

58:03

that. Yes, right? Yeah, but

58:05

imagine having to do that over and over again

58:07

Yeah, probably get in great shape Obviously

58:10

told us Wynton is

58:12

also in this film. He's collaborated with her before

58:14

she's fantastic in the bring back Carlos Howard Bring

58:17

back all this Howard from Mank

58:20

Charles Parnell god. I love this guy

58:22

who's

58:23

Did he come from

58:25

when he's in maverick you're like yeah, he's from

58:27

the original movie right now He's not and

58:29

you're like I've seen this guy in like 20 things right

58:32

last and you're like no not really Yeah,

58:34

like he's done TV

58:36

Yeah, they discovered a new like alternative

58:38

fuel. You know what I'm saying Like

58:41

like Jeremy Lynn or something where you're just

58:43

like where did you get this guy? He was just

58:45

available like but also like did

58:47

this guy just not register until he turned

58:49

like 42 with this thing We're like

58:52

he needed to hit the right age and the right level

58:54

of gray and he's very different in this

58:57

than he is in Maverick

58:59

or in the small part in Mission Impossible, but I was like

59:02

look let this guy be like the

59:04

chief kind of arms crossed

59:07

Stern Disciplinarian exposition

59:10

given a brick right this he's very

59:12

different. He's so good good Lord

59:14

Does he have one of the greatest voices working in movies

59:16

today? He should narrate everything

59:19

everything

59:21

The other actor we have to shout out Salah Baker

59:24

who plays The brute

59:26

giant assassin who he fights in Florida

59:28

that is Sauron

59:31

He

59:31

is From

59:33

the movie from the Lord of the Rings.

59:35

Yeah, he's a fellow tip of the ring. He's

59:37

also various other

59:39

Like

59:40

he's I think the voice of you know the the mouth

59:42

of Sauron The third movie or whatever and he's

59:44

like a various orcs. Is he a New Zealand

59:46

actor? Okay But

59:49

he's best known as like the physical embodiment

59:51

of Sauron in that opening fight that they do

59:54

a big chunk He's gigantic.

59:56

This guy's huge, but I just love that. He's

59:58

still I mean that movie's 20 years

59:59

Still gigantic, still in great shape. Bro,

1:00:02

Michael Fassbender threw a wall, like no problem.

1:00:04

If you asked me, I would guess that

1:00:06

this guy was like 26 years old now. The

1:00:09

fact that he did Lord of the Rings 20 plus years

1:00:11

ago kind of blows my mind. Right. Yeah,

1:00:13

he's almost 50. That's wild.

1:00:15

He's also darkly lit in this film, but... He is,

1:00:17

but he looks good in these. Yeah. All

1:00:20

right. 80 Day Shoot,

1:00:21

Paris, Illinois.

1:00:24

They shot it during COVID,

1:00:26

Fincher hated that. Never want to make

1:00:28

a movie through a visor again, he says. That's

1:00:30

another part of the movie that feels very

1:00:33

autobiographical of him filtering his experience

1:00:36

in film production. It's like this guy's traveling

1:00:39

to like places both glamorous and semi-mundane.

1:00:42

And then all of them, you're like going to these real locations.

1:00:44

It's like, what's my fucking work I have to do? He

1:00:46

barely registers where he is,

1:00:49

where he's getting off the plane.

1:00:51

When he's in Paris, all he eats is

1:00:53

shitty fast food. Right. It's

1:00:55

just like, I'm sure work. Yeah. I'm

1:00:57

a big fan of Quick. I've shouted out

1:00:59

anytime we talk about French fast food. Yes.

1:01:02

What is Quick? It's like French McDonald's. I may

1:01:04

obviously also have McDonald's. Right. In

1:01:07

this movie, he's eating McDonald's. Yeah. Right.

1:01:10

Yeah. I like Quick. He

1:01:12

eats an egg McMuffin and he takes the muffin part out and just eats a

1:01:14

fried egg between two slices of

1:01:16

boiled ham. Fingers. Yes.

1:01:20

Quick made a, had a Star Wars time where they had a Black

1:01:22

Darth Vader burger. Oh, that's like a burger burger. I thought

1:01:25

that was a Burger King thing. Then did

1:01:27

it. They

1:01:28

so quick did it first

1:01:30

and got a bunch of fucking backlash. A

1:01:32

king doesn't steal. Everyone's taking pictures. And

1:01:34

then Burger King was like, we should do this too. And

1:01:37

then America got funny colored poops

1:01:39

as well. Anyway, quick good change. Eric Messerschmitt

1:01:42

shot the movie. Same guy who shot

1:01:44

Mink. Won the Oscar

1:01:46

for Mink. He sure did. And he shot

1:01:48

Ferrari this year. He

1:01:51

was recommended to watch a little film called The Samurai.

1:01:54

We might've mentioned it by David Fincher.

1:01:56

You know, they're not making it look like a comic book,

1:01:59

obviously, but. No, the comic is very

1:02:02

graphic pop-arty. Too long.

1:02:04

Yeah, it's good. But yeah,

1:02:06

it's a very different look from this. The Smith's

1:02:09

Heavy soundtrack,

1:02:11

Fincher

1:02:13

was immediately like, well, we have to use How Soon

1:02:15

Is Now. That was in my head from the start.

1:02:17

And do we then go a full 80s, you know, gothy kind

1:02:19

of...

1:02:20

Do

1:02:25

we just have lots of things or do we just do

1:02:27

all the Smiths? He said there were like 10 different

1:02:29

versions. There was like a Dusty Springfield

1:02:31

version of the movie. There was

1:02:33

like a playlist of different artists

1:02:36

adjacent to or era compatible

1:02:39

with How Soon Is Now. Right. And

1:02:41

they just like kept on trying all of them out and the Smiths felt like the right

1:02:43

one. But he also was just like, I just think

1:02:46

it's so funny for a hitman to have a playlist.

1:02:49

It is! To have like

1:02:52

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staking out an apartment across the place, watching

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making sure he's prepped,

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talking about the process and the psychology.

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Sitting in front of a little heat machine. Right.

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And talking about like, I'm not

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a genius, what I do isn't incredibly complicated.

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It takes some skill. Like he's both undercutting

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himself and also telling you

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what he's good at. Yeah. And it's like 15

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minutes of wind up. He says he's

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never missed. The only job

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he didn't have to go through on was the one where the guy

1:05:42

ended up dying through his own bad health

1:05:45

before he got the chance to pull the trigger. And

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it's like 15 minutes of just like, here

1:05:49

is my life. I don't improvise. I stick to the

1:05:51

plan. I get it right. I keep it simple.

1:05:53

This is why I never fuck up. Pulls

1:05:55

the trigger, misses the shot. Shoot

1:05:57

the guy's mistress.

1:06:00

It's so funny. It's been 15

1:06:02

minutes winding up. I'm

1:06:04

explaining to you why I'm such a professional.

1:06:07

And then the first time you actually see him do the thing,

1:06:09

it goes wrong. That's the

1:06:11

funniest part.

1:06:13

And once it happened, I was like,

1:06:15

right, of course, given how long this has taken,

1:06:18

this had to happen. We weren't just gonna watch

1:06:21

him like pop the guy in the head. Easiest

1:06:23

target in the world. He's like sitting there. Right?

1:06:26

It's not like his prey is so

1:06:28

complicated. I'll wait for him to

1:06:30

come to his apartment and then I'll shoot him. He also just

1:06:32

straight up fucks it up.

1:06:33

It's not like a fly starts buzzing

1:06:36

around his head and he gets distracted and he gets off by an inch. He just

1:06:38

like holds it wrong. He's

1:06:41

off by a second. He's off by an inch, whatever it is.

1:06:44

He's the wrong person, which is not cool. Right.

1:06:47

And you see him trying to tame it out. It's not like she moves

1:06:49

that suddenly. No. He had

1:06:51

plenty of opportunities to take the shot before. And

1:06:53

he just picked it wrong. He

1:06:56

fucks up and yeah, I was just like, again,

1:06:58

like if we just watched him do his mantras and then he just

1:07:00

did it right. Yeah.

1:07:02

So you're like black. Right. And then the next

1:07:04

question, I'm like, who cares? Sure. David Fincher

1:07:06

can make that kind of movie. I believe it. Like

1:07:09

that he can make a movie about a guy with ice in his veins. Yeah.

1:07:12

But, you know, I don't need to see that. Instead, he

1:07:14

messes up and I'm like, oh,

1:07:16

we get to watch how this guy reacts to him messing up. Okay.

1:07:19

That makes sense. Watch the way he like dismounts

1:07:21

everything, gets himself out of a situation,

1:07:24

goes to the airport, like how

1:07:26

he is able to sort of like

1:07:28

factory reset himself. Which I

1:07:30

love. And you get the sense this is basically

1:07:33

the exact same thing he does when the hit goes right. But

1:07:36

just he's doing it with more pressure and more stress. But

1:07:39

yes, the absolute like how do I. What's

1:07:42

the heat when he sprays the sink after

1:07:44

he washes his hands to like get

1:07:47

rid of any remnants of what he's washed out. Yeah.

1:07:50

And then goes back to his pad in

1:07:52

the DR, his humongous

1:07:54

mansion, which versus the book where

1:07:57

the guy's like, I'm just trying to get

1:07:59

the five million so I can. And it's

1:08:01

like I have a tiny house. There are women

1:08:03

here. I pictured the life I want for myself He's

1:08:05

got it fucking made he should have retired

1:08:08

already. This is to me the core

1:08:10

of the movie. Yes, it's like John Wick Yes,

1:08:12

it's like the more realistic version of John Wick and

1:08:14

John Wick, you know It's these like

1:08:17

ancient samurai's basically being like why

1:08:19

do we still do this? Right? What is the drive?

1:08:21

Yeah, and it's like well They live in a world where everyone's an assassinated

1:08:24

but this is like there's the moment with tilde

1:08:26

That's the key to the movie and it's the best

1:08:28

scene in the movie, but it's like why are you even doing this

1:08:30

buddy? Yeah, just sit here house.

1:08:33

Yeah, you're fine And it's such a key part

1:08:35

of the movie that like he does not particularly like

1:08:37

doing this He is neither like this

1:08:40

is soul sucking and it's wearing down on me Which

1:08:42

the book gets to the guy's starting to like some

1:08:45

conscience is creeping in if

1:08:47

not conscience There's some guilt seeping

1:08:49

in right? Yeah, this guy neither

1:08:52

seems hunted by it nor seems to get any

1:08:54

perverse thrill from it He's just like this

1:08:56

is my fucking day job And

1:08:59

by the way, I have enough money to like have this beautiful

1:09:02

like paradise home with like a beautiful

1:09:05

girlfriend To have like storage

1:09:07

lockers all over the world filled

1:09:09

with like Jason Bourne, you know

1:09:12

suitcases Right when is enough for you

1:09:14

dude? But he gets back to the hideaway

1:09:16

and he finds a bunch of blood a bunch of broken

1:09:18

glass We're still as the audience

1:09:21

like so discombobulated, right especially because

1:09:23

he's not talking. No, right He's like,

1:09:25

okay. Go go go right like he's

1:09:27

not like oh shit. Oh shit. What do I do? You know,

1:09:29

I mean, there's a little of that really keeps kind of talking

1:09:32

mantras to you, but he's not like in voiceover

1:09:36

explaining His psychology

1:09:39

and you're like is this another job he's going

1:09:41

to is this like him reporting

1:09:43

to his superior because you've heard the Patrols Parnell

1:09:45

character on the phone. You know, that's the guy who's

1:09:47

giving him the marching orders And oh, yeah,

1:09:50

he fucked up and the guy's chewing

1:09:52

him out. I'm like I Foolishly,

1:09:55

I'm thinking until he goes to see

1:09:57

Charles for now. I'm like, yeah. Well now

1:09:59

he's like

1:09:59

52 and one I mean we all might mistakes

1:10:02

right and something went Charles for now He's like you know

1:10:04

that once you get it wrong. That's

1:10:06

it right not only are you not gonna

1:10:08

get hired again? But you're dead yeah

1:10:11

like he's like I'm offended you think otherwise.

1:10:13

I'm offended you're even here This is a zero

1:10:15

failure rate dad. Yeah, like I'm

1:10:17

offended you didn't just sit down and die right,

1:10:19

but what you realize After yes

1:10:21

being like totally discombobulated He

1:10:24

he goes to the hospital This

1:10:27

is the woman he is romantically involved with

1:10:29

her brother is there the brother clearly

1:10:31

doesn't like him And it's like

1:10:33

whether or not he knows exactly what's going on

1:10:36

is just like you're a fucking Untrustworthy

1:10:39

guy you have a ton of money my sister

1:10:41

loves you I have always been worried that you're gonna

1:10:43

cause her damage Right and she

1:10:46

has been like a beat within a inch of her

1:10:48

life. It seems sexually assaulted as

1:10:50

well They have no clear kind

1:10:52

of answers on what happened other

1:10:55

than a green tab pulled

1:10:57

up Yeah, two guys got out

1:11:00

beat the shit out of her and the brother

1:11:02

is like they were fucking looking for you They

1:11:04

were looking for you, and she got

1:11:06

the brand got in the way right yeah And

1:11:09

he now locks in once again. He doesn't verbalize

1:11:11

this so it takes a while to figure out what he's

1:11:13

doing But he's basically he

1:11:15

promises the brother Like this

1:11:18

will never happen to her ever again And

1:11:20

he just feels like I can go up the chain

1:11:23

work up the chain of how this

1:11:25

happened and kill everyone Responsible

1:11:28

until the threat is obliterated right

1:11:30

and he's almost putting out of mind like

1:11:32

no this happened because

1:11:34

You're now like a liability. No one wants

1:11:36

you around right killing these specific

1:11:39

people isn't really the point But

1:11:41

he locks into this idea.

1:11:43

It's funny because you know his home entrees

1:11:46

like Don't improvise no

1:11:48

empathy and yet Basically

1:11:51

the rest of the movie is a revenge

1:11:53

mission. Yes like yes. He is technically

1:11:56

tying off any threat to

1:11:58

himself Yes But it is also

1:12:01

like, yeah, you've really driven right? It is

1:12:03

the thing that really say that it's the future

1:12:05

people use language to lie Yeah,

1:12:07

and what you were saying in Whichever

1:12:10

episode it was that we were going for that

1:12:12

he almost always uses narration Apart

1:12:15

from button and even button a little bit his narrators

1:12:18

always deluded Yes, they're

1:12:20

lying to you though lying to themselves right like

1:12:22

they're not being they're not telling you the

1:12:24

story There is an active tension between what

1:12:26

you're seeing on screen and what they're saying to

1:12:28

you how they're framing it

1:12:29

So he continues to like repeat the mantra

1:12:32

and you're watching him go against what he's saying

1:12:34

over and over again But without him saying like shit

1:12:37

fuck fucked up. He's just like

1:12:39

or I love her How could they do this

1:12:41

to her right? Whatever any of

1:12:43

like I'm just doing my job and you're like No, you're doing the exact

1:12:46

thing. You say you shouldn't do and you

1:12:48

keep on being a little sloppy about it and Like

1:12:51

right he goes trolls for now with this nail gun

1:12:53

to be like I need your fucking files

1:12:56

I need everyone involved. That's first.

1:12:58

He does the taxi cab driver. Yes. That's

1:13:00

right. That's in the public Yeah, he tracks

1:13:03

down the cab driver Leo,

1:13:05

huh cuz right that's all he has is like the color

1:13:08

of the car As a green car with a

1:13:10

light on it. So he says it's a taxi. He finds

1:13:12

the taxi makes him drive So I drive

1:13:15

her right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah

1:13:17

Yeah, get the records finds who like

1:13:20

drove from an airport right flies

1:13:22

out finds the guy Tries

1:13:25

to get answers out. He finds out it's a man and a woman

1:13:30

Tip you tip. Yes, you tip lady Which

1:13:33

is just so funny Considering you know

1:13:35

I watched Benjamin Button for the first time until

1:13:38

this witness is

1:13:38

trying to clean his paper in that movie and here's I'm

1:13:40

like

1:13:41

Is this like an in joke that they have where he just

1:13:43

like negs her

1:13:44

over? Conventionally

1:13:46

attract. Well, I'm just like even if you don't

1:13:48

find till it's went and attractive. There is nothing

1:13:50

like kind of Anonymous about

1:13:52

the way. No, he's very strike He's one of the most distinctive

1:13:55

people on the planet. But yeah, this guy

1:13:58

is just like I was not part of some criminal

1:13:59

These

1:14:01

people hired me and told me to stay parked

1:14:03

there for an hour. I picked people up in the cab, I'm a cab

1:14:05

driver. Too bad Leo, bam. And Fastmender,

1:14:08

like, you know, trying to say like, I

1:14:10

stay unemotional, that's my secret.

1:14:12

Even like, Belie is the sort of like,

1:14:14

why didn't you ask questions? Yeah.

1:14:17

Like, he's applying this sort

1:14:18

of logic to other people that he prides himself

1:14:20

on not having. He would never do that. Right.

1:14:23

I'm just doing what I was paid to do.

1:14:25

But he kills Leo, I think, because one, he's comfortable

1:14:27

killing people. He's the killer. Yeah.

1:14:31

It's right there in the title. Wendy Williams was trying to warn us. Give

1:14:33

us all the clues. But

1:14:36

also, you know, I'm tying off

1:14:38

every loose end. I'm cauterizing every loose

1:14:40

end. Like, there will be no

1:14:42

person who knows that I was part of this. Of

1:14:45

course. So Leo is dead. Man, he goes

1:14:47

to New Orleans. Yes. And again, I just love

1:14:49

it that they're just like,

1:14:51

he's like, and now I have to crack the next biggest

1:14:53

mystery. How do I get through this door? Yeah. He's

1:14:56

not like now to New Orleans where I will interrogate

1:14:58

my handler and solve the mystery

1:15:01

of who he hired to kill me.

1:15:02

I like that the film, like,

1:15:04

has him do things without explaining it. And

1:15:06

then you just have to kind of like, like, with

1:15:09

the, he's sending a FedEx

1:15:11

package. Right. What is the

1:15:13

point of that? And then it's like, oh, so he can follow

1:15:15

the guy, the FedEx delivery guy

1:15:18

inside the building. And I'm like, gee,

1:15:20

oh, man, that's so smart. In his like Ben

1:15:22

Hosely recycling uniform. Put

1:15:25

a fucking, you know, some arrows

1:15:28

on my green shirt. And now everyone's like, oh,

1:15:30

it's the recycling guy. Yeah. I like that

1:15:32

he goes to Home Depot to buy all of his shit, but like

1:15:34

people help him put the stuff

1:15:36

in his van. Look, congratulations

1:15:38

has had amazing growth in the last couple of years.

1:15:41

Ben's fashion line. Yes. I

1:15:43

wish we were like three years further along

1:15:45

where there was an official collaboration X

1:15:47

the killer collab because

1:15:49

it feels like they could have done that. Ben is not

1:15:51

here right now. There's a lot

1:15:54

of, you know, Michael, we might

1:15:56

have been to drop in. He's not here for good reasons. He has

1:15:58

any thoughts he can always. But

1:16:00

you know what I'm saying like you're like three years from now

1:16:02

Fincher might be like, you know who I want to collaborate with? Ben

1:16:05

Hausly. I'm a big fan of his work. I

1:16:07

want congratulations I love Haus Hogg On

1:16:10

the bucket hat on the recycle

1:16:12

symbol. A

1:16:13

man who buries jeans. That's

1:16:15

the kind of commitment

1:16:16

to the crafts that I'm looking

1:16:18

for. He's showing the buried jeans video to like Brad

1:16:20

Pitt or whatever. He's like, you get a load of this guy. Fincher

1:16:23

would hate blank check, blank check love

1:16:25

Hausly. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

1:16:27

He'd have no patience for blank check. No.

1:16:30

Alright so he goes to see Charles Parnell who's lost.

1:16:32

He's not in Ramrod

1:16:35

Maverick mode. He's got kind of

1:16:37

tufty hair and a bow tie and a bunch of books.

1:16:40

I

1:16:40

agree with you that the Tilda stuff

1:16:42

is like the best stuff in the movie but I...

1:16:44

It's kind of like what ties the movie to you. I

1:16:47

loved

1:16:48

the New Orleans stuff. Because

1:16:50

that was like,

1:16:51

I love the firm. I love

1:16:54

these shitty southern law firms

1:16:57

with

1:16:58

shady business dealings. I

1:17:01

loved everything about how shitty and not

1:17:03

technological.

1:17:04

Right. It's a hell of

1:17:06

a shitty office. And it's

1:17:08

like a card catalog because it's

1:17:11

like, the laptop is the only thing with any

1:17:13

records on it. It's

1:17:16

not like in the cloud. He smushes

1:17:19

the laptop. The assistant,

1:17:22

like,

1:17:22

legal.

1:17:23

The court assistant Dolores. I

1:17:25

don't know who that actress is but I thought she was really

1:17:27

good. She's amazing. Her name's Carrie O'Malley.

1:17:30

I looked her up and she's mostly

1:17:32

a theater actor but she's done a lot of

1:17:34

TV and stuff. Her immediate resignation. When it gets to the

1:17:36

scene where you expect she's going to beg for

1:17:38

her life, instead she lives

1:17:40

in a world of such understanding of what she's

1:17:42

gotten into where she's like... Oh

1:17:44

my god, she's Mike O'Malley's sister of gut.

1:17:47

Really? Yeah.

1:17:48

Of Sully. Yes,

1:17:50

but also what was the sitcom? Jesus. Yes, dear. Yes,

1:17:53

dear. There you go. No, I love that you're

1:17:55

like ready for her. She starts saying like,

1:17:57

my kids. Yeah. And you're like, she's going

1:17:59

to plead for me.

1:17:59

him to keep her alive. And then she's

1:18:02

like, I'm begging. I can hear it. Like she has

1:18:04

that line where she's, I said I wouldn't beg and now I

1:18:06

am. No, but beyond that, she says, I'm

1:18:08

just basically her ask is don't make

1:18:10

me disappear. My kids need to get the insurance.

1:18:13

I need to be dead. Stage this in a way where

1:18:15

my body is found. Which is just like

1:18:18

everyone exists in this world of like bizarre

1:18:20

pragmatism. Everyone else has

1:18:22

maybe less of a handle on their emotions than he

1:18:24

does, although he's rapidly losing his

1:18:26

handle. You're watching people negotiate

1:18:29

through this shit in real time, but they also all

1:18:31

kind of like went face to face with

1:18:34

fast bender go like, I guess this

1:18:36

is what I signed up for. You know, like Bill

1:18:38

is going to come do at some point, whether they survive

1:18:40

it or not. And the thing

1:18:42

with him, like taking the nail

1:18:45

gun to Charles Parnell's chest to try to get

1:18:47

the info out of him and

1:18:49

he starts the narration of like man,

1:18:51

calculate six minutes, right? 47, no

1:18:54

smoking habits. Well, I have like,

1:18:56

right. And he's dead immediately. Fuck. It's

1:18:59

so funny. This guy's like kind of losing

1:19:02

it. He's kind of losing it. Or maybe he's just, I

1:19:04

mean, maybe it's just insane to

1:19:06

think like, yeah, I nail gun a guy. He'll have

1:19:08

X minutes to live. It's like, there's a lot of variables

1:19:11

where we're driving nails into organs, like,

1:19:14

but also he's trying to be the Terminator, right?

1:19:16

And yeah, he's just maybe not that good. The

1:19:19

thing that is like the guy is not

1:19:21

seemingly having like a mental breakdown

1:19:23

or an emotional crisis, but

1:19:28

quietly, one of the most sociopathic things about

1:19:30

this character is that he remains undeterred

1:19:33

that he is so good at what he does. And

1:19:35

he has all the answers despite taking a

1:19:37

bunch of L's in a row. There's

1:19:40

no part of him that goes like, am I losing it?

1:19:42

Right. He's just like, okay, next plan. Yeah.

1:19:45

Yeah. Parnell's just like wonderful. He's

1:19:48

wonderful. And she's really good. Just the one character

1:19:50

you

1:19:51

have the Vegas empathy for because

1:19:53

she doesn't just be like the office

1:19:55

person, right? Yeah.

1:19:57

But she does know the, and she knows

1:19:59

the end.

1:19:59

in an assassin

1:20:02

hero or whatever, but yeah. When

1:20:05

he says no empathy,

1:20:07

right? He's just like repeated to himself. He says no empathy

1:20:10

right before snapping her neck, throwing

1:20:12

her down the stairs, and it's like he

1:20:14

doesn't explain the decision, but

1:20:17

he's like, look, I'm giving her 5% empathy in

1:20:19

a way that doesn't make my life any messier,

1:20:22

but even still, he's breaking his code.

1:20:24

A little bit, a little bit. He's not

1:20:27

disappearing her like you, you know, he's giving. His

1:20:29

logic, it's like you should never factor those things

1:20:32

into considerations. Do the cleanest thing possible.

1:20:34

But, you know. He's showing her kindness. She fell

1:20:37

down the stairs. Yeah.

1:20:38

He's showing her kindness of his

1:20:41

thoughtful murder.

1:20:42

Then he goes to Florida. Kia

1:20:45

gets into fight with Solid

1:20:48

Baker, so what does he

1:20:50

have to do here? He has to drug the dog. Yes.

1:20:53

And then he has to fight this guy,

1:20:55

and it's like Soderbergh's haywire or whatever.

1:20:57

It's just like they're just gonna be throwing each

1:20:59

other through the same thing. I forgot that Fincher was

1:21:01

in haywire. He sure is. Until I just

1:21:04

looked at him so moderately. He's the first guy in it.

1:21:06

He's the opening guy. Yeah. That was

1:21:08

the other movie that Fincher cited. He said it was Prometheus

1:21:10

and haywire, which makes sense. Sociopath,

1:21:12

but also he does the big extended

1:21:15

opening fight in haywire where you're like, I

1:21:17

could watch this guy just do this silently for 10 minutes.

1:21:19

He clearly is able to pick this up. Fincher

1:21:22

was like, yeah, two movies from 11 years ago. Yes.

1:21:25

That's how speedy I am. Well, yeah, he

1:21:28

gets this graphic novel in 2007. In 2011,

1:21:31

he pins the two movies. Fast bender, right.

1:21:34

And I'm a slow maker. He's

1:21:36

a fast bender. Yeah, he's a slow

1:21:38

maker, slow straightener. This

1:21:41

fight's just great. Yeah,

1:21:42

right? Yeah. How does he kill him

1:21:45

eventually? Shoots him?

1:21:48

I remember.

1:21:49

There's so many like, There's

1:21:51

the

1:21:51

shower, there's part with the TV.

1:21:53

He finally does shoot. Shoot,

1:21:56

he gets the phone. I wish this was

1:21:58

on Netflix now, so I could have watched it a second time.

1:21:59

before. While watching it I was

1:22:02

struck by the longest

1:22:04

fight sequence in anything he's done.

1:22:06

I mean probably just because it's comically

1:22:08

long. Yeah. It's the one of longer

1:22:10

fight sequences. Yeah. I think he said it was

1:22:12

five days of shooting but it was five weeks

1:22:15

of rehearsal. Which

1:22:17

makes sense because it's like so much choreography

1:22:19

and it's so much like chaos like you know ship

1:22:23

falling off the shelves and all that. Marie did you

1:22:25

watch uh universal soldier day of

1:22:27

reckoning? No I did not. Okay. Kind of had

1:22:29

that vibe. Yeah. There's that one sporting

1:22:32

good store fight that is so fucking

1:22:34

good where the guy is just so huge and he keeps

1:22:36

on pulling aluminum bats off the rack and throwing

1:22:38

them at the guy and none of it's flashy

1:22:41

like it's kind of sloppy in the way that this

1:22:43

is but you're just like I just need to

1:22:45

keep on like doing anything I can to slow

1:22:47

this guy down and he's

1:22:49

huge but he also doesn't feel he only

1:22:52

feels lightly supernatural in his pain

1:22:54

tolerance. You're like he is like accumulating

1:22:57

injuries. He's not invincible.

1:23:00

But uh he's

1:23:02

still not good. I just

1:23:04

still feel like his approach to this

1:23:07

situation was not ideal. No. Because

1:23:10

like yes he drugs the dog and you're like clever great

1:23:12

sure get the guard dog out of the way. Yeah.

1:23:15

But then he's just kind of like rummaging around this guy's

1:23:17

house and I'm like you're gonna get like rumbled.

1:23:19

It also doesn't seem to work

1:23:20

right away the drugging of the dog. No it doesn't

1:23:22

work right. He throws

1:23:23

like three things of meat at it before

1:23:25

it stops barking.

1:23:26

Yes. Um but I like

1:23:28

I think of movies like point gross point

1:23:30

blank right where it's

1:23:32

like she's going to a therapist and being like doc

1:23:34

I think I'm losing it I'm getting sloppy right

1:23:37

and this guy just never accepts

1:23:40

that he's not doing it very well. Is

1:23:43

gross point blank good? Gross point blank is

1:23:45

good. Because in my memory it's amazing. Yeah.

1:23:48

Big movie for me as a teen. Yeah I was a bit

1:23:50

cusack fan. Of course. You know

1:23:52

he's a hitman. Yeah. Dan Eckhart is the grocer.

1:23:54

Or Kenneth is therapist. Right.

1:23:57

You know like one mini driver, Joan Cusack.

1:23:59

There he is, we just named him Jeremy Piven.

1:24:02

Jeremy Piven. Have not

1:24:04

seen in 25 years. Yeah, I watched it

1:24:06

maybe four or five years ago. I

1:24:09

can tell it's still good. I believe it.

1:24:12

I just haven't seen it.

1:24:13

George Armitage. Yeah.

1:24:16

George Armitage?

1:24:17

Yeah. Chris Pod. Who also did

1:24:20

Miami Blues, which is a similarly good crime

1:24:22

comedy. Miami Blues rocks. Yeah.

1:24:24

I have not seen any other movie he made,

1:24:26

including The Big Bounce, which bounced

1:24:28

him right out of Hollywood. Although that's one where

1:24:31

he like contends

1:24:33

there was a PG-13ification of a movie.

1:24:36

It was getting fucked up during production,

1:24:38

and then it was fucked up even worse in

1:24:41

edit. Right.

1:24:42

Vinny Jones is in it. Any movie Vinny

1:24:45

Jones is in, I'm interested. That's a wild like

1:24:47

poster lineup, that film. Morgan

1:24:51

Freeman Owen Wilson, Gary Sinise,

1:24:53

Lara Foster, Sarah Foster. Sarah

1:24:56

Foster. Weird, like failed

1:24:58

star, Eris. Billy Jones,

1:25:00

Vinny Jones, Charlie Sheen,

1:25:03

Willie Nelson. Right. The posters just

1:25:05

all their heads like poking up from palm trees on

1:25:07

the beaches, if I remember correctly.

1:25:10

Yeah. It's a really terrible

1:25:12

poster. But yes, I just think that

1:25:16

I wouldn't say it's like a well-worn trope,

1:25:18

but you've seen movies about like the

1:25:20

hitman or the criminal

1:25:22

starting to have the crisis and being like, what's

1:25:25

it all about? Right. I

1:25:27

can't do it anymore. And this is a movie where the guy

1:25:29

just like never accepts that

1:25:31

he's struggling in any way. Not

1:25:35

outwardly. No. No.

1:25:37

Not in any different way. We're living in his

1:25:39

head.

1:25:40

Sort of. But are

1:25:42

we? I feel like Pinter wants us thinking about that. Right. Or

1:25:45

is he talking to us,

1:25:47

but what we're hearing isn't really what he's thinking.

1:25:49

Right? Yeah. Or he's

1:25:51

talking to himself

1:25:52

in that way of calming himself down. It's like, no,

1:25:54

you got this, bro. It's all fine. There's

1:25:57

the all these Fincher

1:25:59

I'm trying to like slip in before we finish

1:26:02

this series, but there's the one I think you

1:26:04

might have invoked it in a previous episode

1:26:06

Where he's like I'm the pinch man. Yeah, I am

1:26:08

defense man. I am def each man Where

1:26:11

he says like I'm never the guy who's gonna

1:26:13

say whatever's easiest for you, right?

1:26:16

And so much of this like don't improvise stick to the plan

1:26:18

Yeah, the bullheadedness that people

1:26:20

like ascribe to fincher He

1:26:23

always talks about like my budgets

1:26:25

like there's no wasted money. I can

1:26:28

like account for every penny I'm just telling you

1:26:30

exactly what I need to get this right.

1:26:33

This is what it will cost Well, none of them are

1:26:35

fluid. Well, that's what it cost and he's like I need

1:26:37

six backup guns all in like silicone

1:26:40

bags like I just need it that

1:26:42

way right and and

1:26:46

you know, I think a lot of it is like You're

1:26:49

gonna face so much opposition not just

1:26:51

in like a development process for a movie with money

1:26:53

people But also on set where like you're fighting

1:26:55

against the elements right and so many people

1:26:58

and time Where people are gonna keep on saying

1:27:00

like can't we just cut this one top?

1:27:02

Or can't we just do it this way

1:27:04

and like cuz we're up against it We must cut

1:27:06

the corner right ventures. Like I don't want that

1:27:08

situation to arise Not only

1:27:11

that but it's like you have to imagine as

1:27:13

a director He is developed this kind of

1:27:15

internal monologue, which is like stick to the

1:27:17

plan You do exactly

1:27:19

what you came here planning to do

1:27:21

at least get it that way I'm sure they

1:27:23

improvised a little bit though, right? But it's like

1:27:26

for him silly. That's additive

1:27:28

It's not like I'll accept this

1:27:31

replacement plan It's like stick

1:27:33

to what you came here to do and

1:27:35

get it done that way People are going

1:27:38

to try to break you dissuade

1:27:40

you make you compromise You can't do

1:27:42

that and the guy keeps on repeating

1:27:44

this even though he's this is the thing.

1:27:46

Yes That's what I find funny soon, right? So

1:27:48

when you're saying like is he talking to us or is he talking

1:27:51

to himself? I do think to some degree

1:27:53

this is how Fincher talks to himself on set

1:27:57

Right of just like don't accept. Okay

1:27:59

But then he's like so far enough to be like, yes,

1:28:02

I'm such a dumb motherfucker. Like, yes, he'll

1:28:04

make the joke before anyone else does about the

1:28:06

notion of

1:28:08

how serious and exacting he is.

1:28:10

So good. It's such a funny

1:28:12

duo, this and Mank. Yes. Like,

1:28:16

because Mank

1:28:17

as well is like, it's like directors

1:28:20

are these like ponsy assholes

1:28:22

who like show up

1:28:24

and yell at the screenwriter and all

1:28:26

that. You know, Mank is like such a celebration

1:28:28

of this, like can't tank her as fuck

1:28:31

who the director is like, I got to deal with

1:28:33

you, you know? And like it's Fincher

1:28:35

mocking himself a little bit. And then this is Fincher

1:28:37

mocking himself again. Well, here's the other. It's

1:28:40

so funny that when Fincher made a Hollywood movie, he

1:28:43

made it about a screenwriter. Never

1:28:45

written a movie. He constantly is like

1:28:48

shooting down, you know, whenever someone brings up a story

1:28:50

fairy. Yeah. And then like

1:28:53

this boost all of his collaborators.

1:28:54

I was my joke on letterboxes,

1:28:56

fucking Sidney Lumet's making movies. It's

1:28:59

like always eat a banana. Like all of his advice, take a

1:29:01

nap. All of the killer's advice

1:29:03

is basically just like, just remember to have an Amazon

1:29:06

account so you can clone a fucking fob.

1:29:08

But then this weird sociopathic like, if

1:29:10

you're going to make great movies, you have

1:29:12

to stick to your guns about shit in a way that

1:29:15

sometimes makes you look bad. The other

1:29:17

quote I don't think we've invoked in the series, which

1:29:20

I'm going to paraphrase here, probably butchered

1:29:22

to some degree, that he it's

1:29:24

one of his great lines is like, people say

1:29:26

there are like a million places to put the camera in the

1:29:28

hard part is choosing where. I

1:29:30

think that's wrong. I think there are only two places to put

1:29:32

the camera and one of them is wrong. Right, right.

1:29:36

And it's like, that's this

1:29:37

movie, that the inciting incident

1:29:40

is,

1:29:40

the shots wrong,

1:29:42

right? Like he knows.

1:29:44

And it's nothing interfered, but his judgment

1:29:46

was wrong. But you have to go

1:29:48

into it being like, I think I know when

1:29:50

to take the shot. And nothing can

1:29:52

throw me off that. So you have to keep repeating

1:29:54

to yourself, stick to the plan.

1:29:57

Okay, so after Florida.

1:29:59

And he goes to Beacon goes to

1:30:02

the he goes to

1:30:04

the Storm King sculpture park

1:30:07

Lovely brunch right Goes

1:30:09

to the record store. He does all

1:30:11

this stuff No, he goes to Beacon

1:30:14

and he's like, I don't get it.

1:30:16

The last assassin I killed was

1:30:18

a gigantic seven foot tall and That

1:30:21

lived in you know,

1:30:23

God knows where Florida That's

1:30:26

funny it's just like this like, you know like that

1:30:29

shirt that makes sense Terrifying

1:30:31

kind of brutal for none of a man. Who is

1:30:33

this woman who lives in a bedroom suburb? Right

1:30:36

and like her job is basically

1:30:38

like yeah I go to my nice restaurant and they bring me like

1:30:40

food and

1:30:41

I'm like the classiest woman alive, right? She

1:30:45

does so my my drinks whiskey

1:30:47

fight She's like the higher class

1:30:49

version of Charles Purnell, but also

1:30:52

she's a worse manager than Charles Purnell is

1:30:54

I was sort of my road on it, right? Like

1:30:57

she's more sophisticated and smarter than he

1:31:00

is but he hires smarter people

1:31:02

and she's just like hire a big guy And

1:31:04

have like punch through shit because

1:31:06

she even and she and she gets herself more directly

1:31:08

involved in this shit rather than Charles Purnell is

1:31:10

like distance distance distance stay

1:31:13

low-key have a shitty office. I

1:31:15

don't need to go do tasting menus and shit

1:31:17

Ork is the muscle. She's

1:31:19

the brain. I

1:31:19

don't need both Uh,

1:31:21

but she does

1:31:23

I

1:31:24

mean I use a parody of a classic

1:31:27

Super assassin as well.

1:31:29

Where

1:31:29

we see that she had been like holding

1:31:31

a knife. She was

1:31:32

like Yeah,

1:31:36

I mean I'm sure Swinton could throw down but

1:31:38

when they're

1:31:39

together he's just not talking Yeah,

1:31:41

she's so she's just monologuing. She's

1:31:43

so good. She has such

1:31:45

poise Yeah, right whiskey fliers.

1:31:48

She tells this issue orders a flight of whiskey's

1:31:50

she tells this story about the bear

1:31:53

You know and the hunter tries to kill the bear and

1:31:55

every night like he fails and then a certain

1:31:57

point the bear You're forgetting the part about him

1:31:59

getting

1:31:59

in the ass. The deal is you can try

1:32:02

to shoot me and

1:32:04

if you miss I get the sodomizing.

1:32:06

Yes. And he keeps missing,

1:32:08

the bear keeps sodomizing him, he keeps coming back the

1:32:10

next day. At a certain point the bear is like

1:32:12

why are you actually coming to the woods? I forget what the actual

1:32:15

punch line is. He says you're not here for hunting are you? Right, yes.

1:32:17

Which is a good joke. He likes bear sex. Yeah.

1:32:20

But I feel like she's also just sort of saying

1:32:22

like you know why are you still doing this?

1:32:25

Right. Like you know what are you, what are in

1:32:28

this for you? It's not money you have that. Right

1:32:30

and you also, yes, it's the weird

1:32:32

thing of him not seeming to enjoy

1:32:34

it. Right. Because

1:32:36

at the end of the movie he seems to enjoy it

1:32:38

but I feel like he doesn't right? He's like I

1:32:40

am now enjoying, I'm sitting in the chair. The

1:32:43

last shot of the movie is very. Yes. I'm still

1:32:46

chewing on the ending but I also, stop

1:32:48

chewing on it, Netflix needs to put it on its streaming

1:32:50

service. I was gonna say. We take it out of his

1:32:52

mouth. If it weren't streaming now I would have rewatched

1:32:55

the ending immediately. Sure. But I like. Just

1:32:57

like those final seconds. Read the two

1:32:59

if you have one. But the Tilda, I mean hell

1:33:01

yeah. Well because Tilda is playing, once

1:33:04

again she's playing incredibly well and I think with

1:33:06

more depth than we've seen but like this type

1:33:08

of scene we've seen in crime movies before where the person's

1:33:11

like I knew this day would come. All

1:33:13

right so this is it huh okay one last drink

1:33:15

for me right? Right.

1:33:17

But then you feel her testing like. She's

1:33:20

like maybe I can get away with this. Is there any way for me to win this?

1:33:22

And at other times she's sowing more vulnerability

1:33:25

than you're used to in this type of scene where it's like. Maybe

1:33:27

this is it. She's really getting sloppy

1:33:29

like you really see the panic in her. But

1:33:32

um which is great she plays a little moment to

1:33:34

panic really well but yeah you do like the longer

1:33:36

it goes the more she's probably

1:33:38

thinking like well he's not done it yet.

1:33:40

Right. So maybe I can kind of trick him.

1:33:43

Why would you come to the restaurant? Like you're right

1:33:45

you could just fucking push me or yeah exactly

1:33:47

like poison me. Yeah what the fuck you're doing? Right.

1:33:50

What is he doing? What is he doing?

1:33:52

He's lost his compass. He's kind of lost

1:33:55

his whatever. I think he's

1:33:57

lonely. His rule book. He's lonely. He's

1:33:59

I've never actually gotten to talk to anyone who does this

1:34:02

job before.

1:34:03

So there's something in that. That's

1:34:06

the gig economy, man. You're on

1:34:08

your own.

1:34:11

The other part of it is like in certain ways,

1:34:13

this is also a fincher doing

1:34:16

a man, Michael Mann type riff

1:34:19

of like, you know, your gray line about Michael Mann movies

1:34:21

of like every Michael Mann movie is about a guy who has one

1:34:23

feeling, right? And see if that one feeling

1:34:26

is kept in your wallet type. Right. Right.

1:34:29

So this guy has one feeling that he won't admit, which is

1:34:31

I like this one. And

1:34:33

then when that feeling is threatened, the guys are

1:34:36

completely miscalibrated.

1:34:39

I don't think he wants to kill her, but he knows he has to.

1:34:42

And it's also kind of a game recognize game

1:34:44

thing of like, he doesn't kill her, she's

1:34:46

going to kill him. And she probably wouldn't even respect him

1:34:48

for not killing her. Right. Right.

1:34:51

She's got the little knife. It's a great little reveal. Yes.

1:34:54

She would have done something with her if she could. Of

1:34:57

course. She has enough

1:34:58

wherewithal. And he was trying to prey

1:35:00

on her sympathy to help her up.

1:35:04

Yeah. How embarrassing. I slip.

1:35:06

Right. I think he does know like, no, no, no, this is

1:35:08

she's going to try something. Yeah. So he

1:35:10

shoots her with gun. Yeah.

1:35:12

He shoots her with gun. Killing

1:35:14

her and she'll never

1:35:16

be seen again until the blankies episode

1:35:18

maybe. Yeah. I mean,

1:35:21

this feels like a real blankies bait

1:35:23

performance. For me, certainly.

1:35:25

Yes. And also I'm just a

1:35:27

simp for Tilda. Yeah.

1:35:30

Hard not to be simp.

1:35:32

Tilda simped in, that's me. Yeah. And

1:35:36

then he goes to Shycago, the windy

1:35:38

city. Well, I mean,

1:35:40

you want to talk about his bait performance?

1:35:43

Arliss. Yeah. In

1:35:46

his little beret. It's a slouchy beanie. Yeah.

1:35:49

A sub pop t-shirt. Just a one scene

1:35:51

heater performance. I mean, I already

1:35:54

told the

1:35:55

story on Mank about how his Pinterest

1:35:57

casting agent is like, he is my favorite actor

1:35:59

alive. Yeah, Arliss Howard rules. He

1:36:01

can play this version of a guy in

1:36:04

any country. Yeah. You know what I

1:36:06

mean? Like,

1:36:07

bored asshole businessman.

1:36:09

But he can give you every flavor of that. From the 50s.

1:36:12

From Britain. You know, like, where do you want it? Arliss

1:36:14

will give it to you. Now it's just like, yeah, this

1:36:16

kind of like,

1:36:17

tech guy. He's kind of like

1:36:19

the killer. Yeah. He feels like he's like,

1:36:21

yeah, I live in this,

1:36:23

you know, weird apartment palace.

1:36:25

Totally. I don't even know what to do with myself.

1:36:28

This is so much of like, Fassbender, the first 15

1:36:30

minutes, him saying like, in the grand

1:36:33

moral calculus of the world, what I'm doing

1:36:35

doesn't matter. He recounts those numbers of like,

1:36:37

how many people live and how many people die. Right.

1:36:39

Like, if I kill one person with this, nothing. It's a rounding error.

1:36:42

Yeah. Right. And if I don't do what someone

1:36:44

else does and what, like, there's no great

1:36:46

like, harm to this. This

1:36:48

is a guy who like, as much as he likes to think

1:36:51

of himself of like, no, I'm like a cool billionaire.

1:36:53

I wear the sub pop t-shirt. I'm not like an

1:36:55

elitist. Right? He's like

1:36:58

absolutely doing things in the financial

1:37:00

market that fuck more people over than

1:37:03