0:10

katie, katie katie hey, jessie can

0:12

we can we still hang out? is this is

0:14

it for us? now that you're gone, hollywood i

0:16

i don't know if we can hang out i mean i have

0:18

some new friends here i got say traffic

0:21

than you and my treasure

0:22

what, what friends could you possibly talk about? just

0:24

my friend bill the yeah

0:26

clinton

0:26

you probably haven't heard of of arsonist omar

0:28

wow what

0:31

was that? it was just like, what? like,

0:34

tell me okay

0:34

so listen

0:37

to this might know by now i was on a real

0:39

time with bill maher were recording this

0:41

on fridays it was a week ago today

0:44

and it wasn't it wasn't a very good experiences

0:46

or something that i had been stressing out for

0:48

literally over two years so

0:51

i was asked to be on the show or

0:53

in march thirteenth twenty

0:55

twenty which happens to be the day that everything

0:57

shut down and so i had like

0:59

really two years of the you like at some point you know

1:01

i'm going to get this call when i have to do this like and show

1:04

it was have been terrified of it for two years

1:06

i don't do a lot of public speaking

1:09

when i do do public speaking as usually in front of

1:11

a small audience not a piano millions

1:13

of people watching this and that studio audience

1:16

so it's very anxious about it but it

1:19

was much easier

1:21

than i thought like the studio

1:23

itself is much smaller than it appears on tv

1:26

and because of coed they have a smaller audience

1:28

so there is only about eighty people and

1:30

the audience with i think just took sort of a lot of the

1:32

the pressure off of overall

1:34

it was it was was a great experience i was on with andrew sullivan

1:36

which was fantastic to have

1:38

somebody who i'm friends were on

1:41

the show especially for the first times but

1:43

there was one thing in one way i think that it

1:45

really did change me so

1:47

i know that as a surprise people

1:50

because i sound aristocratic but i don't actually

1:52

come from money i grew up in a nerd

1:54

very middle class family i thought

1:56

that i was rich grabbed his are countless hell

1:59

out of poverty and at but during held know like

2:01

release was not though i've never been

2:03

wealthy of never sort of had fancy things

2:06

i , a driver you'd subaru you know

2:08

the nicer so tell that i usually get is a holiday

2:10

and and this is to

2:12

solely different i never flung first class or for

2:15

first flew first class i'm as they put you up at this

2:17

fabulous hotel in beverly hills where aids

2:19

hills swear to god i think the towels are made out of baby

2:21

seal belts and

2:24

i was so sort of

2:26

like anxious about this and sold

2:28

like a they they offered a car

2:30

to pick me up and drive me to the airport and on the

2:32

way there i was like no no no no no i'll just i'll

2:35

just take the bus to the ferry

2:37

to the light rail and then walk a half mile like

2:40

i always feel like like don't put yourself out

2:41

for me at all why a lot

2:44

why this league so

2:47

performative we humbly it's humbly

2:49

it's b o they have a shit load of

2:50

i know it's not even it's not performative

2:53

it's just i have this like that of the school

2:55

also frankly it's easier to get to the airport

2:57

from where i live if you take the ferry

3:00

they had a very light rail says it was passer trip

3:02

and driver elemental us but so

3:06

you know it and then i got their got to the airport

3:09

i tried to get into the delta sky club

3:11

they wouldn't let me and i thought that having a first class ticket

3:13

was just like me which is a few and know does it turns

3:15

out doesn't work like that but it turns out that in first

3:17

class like you have real cutlery

3:20

in a meal you know they serve drinks and

3:22

actual glasses like made of glass

3:24

not the little plastic cup that you would get

3:26

to the dentist office to spit your solution to

3:28

solving i just i i i

3:30

loved it and i felt sort of ashamed of myself

3:32

by this but i think it she's me in the sense

3:34

that like on the way

3:36

back after to of

3:39

, in luxury in recruiter

3:41

pick me up and take me to the studio and that and

3:43

car pick me up and take me back and they also

3:45

had also car for andrew car for casino

3:48

christine ember who is that the other guess on the shelf

3:50

so all three of us are leaving from the same

3:52

place driving ten minutes away then

3:55

driving back in our own separate you know

3:57

town cars fantastic and

3:59

then on the way back i felt so

4:02

like there were delays at the airport

4:04

for my flights and i just saw like

4:07

first class bitches

4:09

like you should see it like normally i have such

4:12

when , wash your first class normally i have such as

4:14

sort of knees or folky reaction to everybody there

4:16

i think the worst thing is impossibly seems like a teenager

4:19

or child and first class and to simply it should be

4:21

illegal but on the way back when

4:23

i was waiting for my flair for another should be as they should be

4:25

special seating for first class and then

4:28

the way back instead of you know taking the light rail

4:30

to the ferry to the bus with

4:33

i guess i will take this card please make my driver

4:35

british i think it has just changed

4:37

me and assists this fundamental way i want

4:39

to be rich now jersey i really want to be

4:41

rich

4:42

before before that you had no idea

4:44

that there is i other social classes

4:46

above yours

4:47

you couldn't figure it would be that much better but

4:49

it turns out it is that much better i mean

4:52

the people in this hotel they must have thought i was

4:54

the janitor because of the way that i trust i

4:56

just i don't think of as ever sit in some

4:58

someplace less of i do in beverly

5:00

hills but i still fucking love that

5:02

them over the actual like recording my

5:04

that are fine assists

5:07

good is gets is mean it was

5:09

you know it it was i was nervous but

5:12

that that the feedback that i got was was very

5:14

positive which is great and there's little

5:16

after party at the studio where people

5:18

sit around on ads on a patio and

5:20

and

5:21

it smells and i got to bill for a while his

5:23

image or things ah was

5:25

don't like the in person was

5:27

cool with joe

5:28

yeah he always tied with medicare

5:30

i say you can't say otherwise like you've used a dick you couldn't

5:32

be like yeah he's a huge day

5:33

no i i mean i think that he

5:35

probably is a dick sometimes because he's or it's guy and

5:37

who wouldn't be as he have that much money but my

5:39

experience with them as positive

5:41

i'd i do you really wanna show as i was impressed

5:43

if you didn't even seem at all last

5:46

nervous about it and i was surprised

5:48

he loses money racial slurs but i guess is s

5:51

yeah it is omar is still more

5:54

what racial slurs could i possibly said of he hasn't said

5:56

emily

5:56

the answer it was are either

5:58

you casually and so much time as or the wanted to say they

6:00

didn't say

6:01

there was one day i had a couple of a

6:03

good job find out that in that incident

6:06

but other than that this was so we recorded

6:08

the days at the that the

6:11

decision on robbie weekend ounce

6:13

and we were talking about we didn't focus on it that

6:15

much during the show but we did talk about this sort

6:17

of course we talked about and a worked as a politics

6:20

and one thing night thing don't think don't think although

6:22

i'm never going to watch the show so maybe i did said

6:24

blacked out the parts one thing

6:26

that i have been thinking about allied is that

6:30

you know i think there's a number people who listen to the show

6:32

there's another people a number of you've i follow on twitter

6:34

people unfriendly was in real life who

6:36

have stop voting for democrats

6:39

because of what they perceive as us over each

6:41

of weakness and this is something that like are obviously

6:44

we're both you and i are concerned about as we talk

6:46

about the should all the time but

6:48

when you look out the consequences of

6:51

voting for republicans this is what

6:53

you get and i just think like if

6:55

you're a feminist for instance who decides

6:57

that you're going to support the republican party

6:59

because kittens he brown jackson can't

7:02

define or won't define what a woman is

7:04

i think you're really shooting yourself in a foot and i think

7:07

you're shooting other people in the foot as well there

7:09

are bigger issues than the definition of

7:11

a woman i'm i'm definitely

7:13

concerned about his ideological creep

7:15

into all institutions into government

7:17

for sure but i'm more concerned

7:20

about women having the right to control their

7:22

own bodies women having a right to have an abortion and

7:24

there are lots of other cases that the supreme court has ruled

7:26

on just in the past

7:28

couple weeks that i that i are almost as

7:30

troubling as other as their own decisions

7:32

and so the person who

7:34

is very critical of the democratic party this

7:37

is a very good reminder this

7:39

is what republicans are i

7:41

think people need to be realistic about this unfortunately

7:43

we live in a two party system this is what we

7:45

have and so the second somehow

7:48

a third party games actual traction in this country

7:50

which i don't see happening anytime soon these

7:52

are our choices and i

7:55

think one is objectively worse

7:57

and the other and that's republicans if you're pro

7:59

israel her life by all means vote

8:01

republican like they stand for your values

8:03

but if you're if you're still a liberal and

8:06

you're choosing to vote for republicans

8:08

because of these issues the

8:11

think about it is think about what that

8:12

yeah i mean i'm obviously with

8:14

you i still don't think there's that many people abandoning

8:17

the party does like one of what world news i think we

8:19

are more likely to hear from them to know absolutely

8:21

nothing will lend a sympathetic ear i don't think it's a big

8:23

thing but here , addition to that i

8:25

also disagree every every instance

8:27

i'm aware about the state level of republican

8:29

like making a big stand against like wolf nurse

8:31

or herbs overeat on trans

8:34

good stuff they always make it worse it's

8:36

always is poorly written bills that will have

8:38

terrible collateral consequences it's in

8:40

florida now it's like unclear that day

8:42

teachers can even might be out or

8:44

have photos of their spouses other das

8:46

because the law was written so poorly this law that

8:48

all these lights crusading activists

8:50

types i james woolsey chris ruvo supported

8:53

it's just i find the idea

8:55

that you're gonna vote the other way me

8:57

what people have the privilege of generally for guys

8:59

you think they can the rubble to party supports your values

9:01

i can't tell you not to vote for them but if you're generally

9:04

liberal minded i i agree with you completely

9:07

as much they hate to say that

9:08

yeah chris river i think is actually conservative

9:10

he's he's a practicing catholic i think he is

9:12

does

9:13

there are you that has survived the idea that it

9:15

was it a like right

9:16

game when the is a fucking atheists

9:18

are used to be an atheist i don't know these delays

9:21

i don't think that the army navy they represent

9:23

his his newly discovered conservative values

9:26

but i don't think

9:26

with this idea that he's all there

9:29

, people who are like generally liberal and

9:31

word about ovaries what what what

9:33

what is like the track record with james woods

9:35

you were we should take him at his word that he really wants

9:38

white liberals and power when this is what he

9:40

supports i don't understand that answer

9:42

whenever i say

9:44

well

9:45

that

9:46

marcin was probably good

9:48

and i guess i can no longer hold it over that

9:50

i got to go on joe rogan kids as as i am now

9:53

some the most high profile so you've

9:55

either rust

9:56

well you're again i think probably has

9:58

many many listeners

9:59

the grow more healthy years unfortunately

10:02

who knows ah katie

10:04

what elected up what is the name is as

10:08

, odd bill maher joint sam has

10:10

been seen by more people that as a spider

10:12

added a cb i've never listened to my it's different

10:14

and forty eight hours on but i've never listen to my it's

10:17

ah road in appear it's just like you do

10:19

it aired on other physicists

10:21

duty what is the name of is increasingly upskill

10:24

limousine driven part yes

10:26

buckner important than caters or

10:27

and i jesse singal and

10:31

what we can talk about

10:32

today we're going to be talking about rebecca

10:34

jones a woman who became something

10:36

of a hero for bravely exposing

10:39

corruption in the state of florida

10:40

it's you or did not have that happen ah

10:43

the first is this is the first

10:45

ah how do you feel about a little bit of a

10:47

plagiarism scandal is ryan potter do something

10:49

specific

10:52

the inside baseball

10:54

or ah don't really talk about

10:56

a man named kevin cruised eighty what

10:58

you know about seven cruz processor seven

11:00

cruz i should say

11:01

i know if a lot of time on twitter

11:03

kevin truce is a princeton

11:05

university history professor who's i

11:07

made something in that have a name from south as

11:09

twitter story and you're correct he's

11:11

he's amassed like a half million followers

11:14

goes viral i just read books

11:16

we got our white flight atlanta and the

11:18

making of modern conservatism one

11:20

nation under god how corporate americans that

11:22

did christian america and fault

11:24

lines a history of the united states since nineteen seventy

11:26

four are that was coauthored with us

11:29

to leans over from professor might as well it's

11:31

ah i'm kevin cruises also contributor

11:33

to the sixty nineteen project which are

11:35

i've never heard of i don't know what that is citizens

11:39

so on twitter go

11:41

on like snarky part is in liberal

11:43

tweeting and yasuda sort of indepth

11:46

threads presenting the case against our

11:48

right way to store sizing and right wing

11:50

politics twenty eighteen headline

11:53

and chronic of higher ed ah something

11:55

about nicely how seven cruz became

11:57

histories attacked assess

11:59

it is the juxtaposition of my days

12:02

to historian and a tweed code like look

12:04

to get eight documents or says it at a snarling

12:06

attack dogs

12:07

everybody else history as that want an attack dog

12:09

right sir , do need

12:11

to be decided by a literal rabid dogs

12:14

dogs interviews whatever interviews you

12:17

know his polarizing distance a reason why didn't he

12:19

tweets a lot everyone can agree on that i

12:22

do get a sense he's like well respected as well historian

12:25

he also does sort of go

12:27

after week target sometimes

12:29

like he is dinners de souza as it's just

12:31

a crazy person sees got after

12:33

him a lot of all good

12:35

some a lot are represented threads

12:37

in the show knows he's one answer to the history of racism

12:40

the geo p it's more done as de souza

12:42

south here's a great ones are

12:44

that lodged a thread

12:46

about jesse smell a smaller

12:48

i love i love this small at i

12:50

can ever

12:51

the edu the french pronunciation

12:53

smaller a finds malays

12:55

i'm i'm gonna try to read this will outlast i

12:57

remember this this is right after the jesse small

12:59

at allegations to map hi

13:03

there journalists i'm a his story was

13:05

written about white supremacists so let

13:07

me assure you that when a violent attack on an

13:09

african american man involves use of the edwards

13:12

and the literal placement of a noose around his that's

13:14

you could go ahead and call that recess

13:18

i discuss since his

13:20

since just wanted know who among

13:22

the people who thought this happens and

13:25

the rotated here's a first schools the

13:27

person who was like he shouldn't ah that racist

13:30

like does his first visit

13:31

that's cool that

13:32

racially motivated

13:33

the motivated littered rights is actually

13:36

hey you're not gonna believe it but

13:38

you can also use that term to describe

13:40

it even wider range of white supremacists

13:42

activity that doesn't check off every boston

13:45

the definition of a hatreds i know

13:47

i know it might make tucker carlson

13:49

said be brave sucessful

13:51

air

13:52

i don't a so it's just this up

13:55

the smog style on twitter

13:57

was always lights arms experts

13:59

the year excuse why you're a fucking moron

14:02

that's that's always the toad it's like everyone

14:04

else is dobbin these guys the to explain to

14:06

us how smart they are

14:07

the hot let's see what sort of engagement

14:10

he got on this tweet the first

14:12

glance has seventy

14:15

five thousand almost six horses

14:17

i tried to i'm

14:19

just out of curiosity like i want to see of crews

14:21

had ever tweeted about how badly

14:24

he salsa that holds i just a lot of people that buzzers

14:26

if you like evidence explained anything

14:28

about it or like learn anything from it's she

14:31

doesn't seem to have said anything about it when smoke came

14:33

up as like in another context but i guess a lot

14:35

of people pride in light reflected

14:37

we on that

14:37

hi there historians journalists sure

14:39

this is obviously a fucking hook

14:41

wait who said the ice

14:43

and see that right now others that are subsets

14:47

hi , hi i'm an epidemiologist

14:50

wandered far outside of affairs

14:52

affairs always reminds you of divided the these

14:55

ah yeah obviously black lives

14:57

matter protests are okay dirt epidemic

14:59

dot racism the public health crisis

15:01

is so fucking smurfs

15:03

okay so she's truce is always been

15:06

quite active on twitter and for example between

15:08

june tenth and june fourteenth

15:10

he said a hundred forty two tweets and

15:12

read and weep yes we paid

15:14

trace tracing woodridge to check how many

15:16

times you have twenty six since

15:19

then zero tweets zero

15:21

tweets since june fourteenth i'm writing

15:23

this on july first step would be like me

15:25

are you going half me are without tweeting it's under

15:28

her

15:28

the army they you must be dead that's the only

15:30

explanation

15:31

the effort he or she is allied well his

15:33

career however might be in some peril

15:35

because the same day as his last

15:38

tweet reason magazine published an article

15:40

by so magnus had lied who's

15:42

twitter famous princeton

15:44

prince torsos a sprint story

15:46

it is a friend or an episode or that's

15:49

his twitter say this print story at princeton

15:51

historian cabin cruiser a plagiarism

15:54

oh and the sky

15:56

cel won't which is also magnus

15:58

magnus yes

15:59

we've heard that name before correct yeah

16:02

mine is is a

16:03

the historian who's like basically

16:05

pretty critical of a lot of liberal

16:08

historicism liberal history she's

16:10

written critically of i'm

16:12

your the sixty ninth and project is a major critic

16:14

of that he's the guy he sort of states are

16:17

guys who thinks that are you

16:19

know the history got into politifact

16:22

in certain ways to politicize by the last and

16:25

so he wrote this article and we should say going

16:27

in same and seven crews had dot at

16:29

it in the past a butt heads with as we'll see

16:31

what will become a factor years but in

16:33

this article madness are his main

16:35

claim his quotes a t passage from

16:37

cruises doctoral dissertation on the history

16:40

of race relations in atlanta displays

16:42

uncanny similarities to and ninety ninety

16:44

six book on the same subjects by ronald

16:47

a spare a now retired historian

16:49

from georgia tech i'll just read

16:51

these two sentences and will also put them

16:53

in them so not so that you can them talbot easier

16:57

to from our ronald a spare

17:00

for many reasons atlanta appeared to be a good

17:02

city to study for such an analysis it

17:04

had analysis singular place singular the south as south as

17:06

a business center it is a leading new south

17:08

and sundance xanax it was a headquarters

17:10

city for number civil rights organizations and is

17:13

a center black higher education and

17:15

it is held itself as a city too busy

17:17

to hates one of progressive a choice

17:19

it's here's what cruz rights in the introduction

17:21

usda citizen let us not

17:23

near the logical said for such analysis it holds

17:25

a singular place as a political and economic leader

17:28

of the new south it served at the headquarters for

17:30

number of civil rights organizations it has

17:32

been a center blast higher education furthermore

17:34

atlanta sells itself as the city too busy

17:36

to hate one of progressive race roy's

17:39

ah by this also includes

17:41

like also visual caffeine the similarities and

17:43

made city's pretty compellingly and

17:46

explain to some of these passages in these slightly

17:48

altered form also made their way into cruises

17:50

but white flight and then

17:52

magna schools until as to other examples

17:54

of plagiarism via sort of inadequately

17:56

cited inadequately paraphrase

17:58

yeah so example that you read

17:59

there

18:01

that him the

18:03

is i don't know it it seems like it's obvious

18:05

laser them it would have been really easy just to say

18:08

as bear know it's yeah

18:10

blah blah like it doesn't hurt you at all

18:12

since to cite somebody said that was

18:14

not a bad thing

18:15

this is clearly the most indefensible want

18:17

because like it is true that in

18:20

, course of copyrighted a gorgeous a writer's own

18:22

sloppiness quotes can sometimes disappear

18:24

and footnotes can disappear so who's in exact

18:26

quotes that would be one possible

18:29

explanation but this case he clearly out a slight

18:31

flight and it's is baffling that he would do that

18:33

are in a doctoral dissertation so

18:36

part of what makes this a little bit spicy years i

18:39

guess it's inevitable given how much kevin cruz tweet

18:41

said there there is a tweet about this because

18:43

it's so i'm yeah it's entirety seventy

18:46

david clarke oozes like genuinely sassy

18:48

trump figure sheriff clarke crazy dude

18:50

steal his own are plagiarism scandal

18:52

and cabin cruz said on twitter twenty

18:54

seventy in response to think is andrew kaczynski

18:57

of cnn if you want someone

18:59

with more credentials to say it i'm a professor

19:01

this is textbook plagiarism we'd

19:03

expel plagiarism student who paul best so

19:06

i'm got him he noted his credentials because

19:08

there's no way anyone who doesn't have a phd

19:10

would be able to

19:11

what plagiarism and spread similar do

19:13

we need a professor to tell us that if someone

19:15

is lynched while the edward has been screened

19:17

at them that's racist assists

19:19

the been on the context yes

19:20

yeah a useful so far as

19:23

so yes madness and crews are not

19:26

house i made this is easter bunny has

19:28

with cruz ab he has a book against

19:30

the sixty nine project a whole but still

19:32

set a scathing review outlining what he saw

19:34

as flaws and careless scholarship in one of

19:36

cruises bucks there's

19:38

an article in plagiarism today which today which not

19:40

know that existed that's a great

19:42

you don't you don't have as

19:44

i don't have a subscription i will often

19:46

copy and paste articles from plagiarism today

19:48

just published some assess

19:51

the most so like there was there was

19:53

of people staying fairly quiet

19:56

on this is cruz really is like a liberal

19:58

darling and

19:59

the a pretty in a notable the sense of

20:02

him from a professor former history professor

20:04

named ld burnett's she was defended

20:06

by

20:08

fire actually after he she was fired and

20:10

sort of an academic freedom case will lead to ah

20:13

she wrote on media and article is

20:15

it plagiarism and see basically

20:17

says like sure those six sentences appeared

20:19

replace your eyes but she also does highlights

20:22

like magnus has ulterior motives are that

20:24

this is a politicized sight of there's a fair amount

20:26

of that what did he quits around on history twitter i'm

20:28

not saying everyone do this for there was a lot like well

20:30

it's reason well it's still magna like

20:32

you need to be careful here and i really

20:35

liked what sort of ah

20:37

matter grace is sad he was like either

20:40

the dude writer is rather don't understand why we have

20:42

to whether suddenly all this context it it it

20:44

seems pretty obvious to me that lights

20:46

if a conservative or right wing like

20:48

you still investigating their could there could still be an

20:50

explanation for this

20:51

i know i know he took an be earned

20:54

went to sleep and then wrote at while

20:56

he was an ambien his

20:57

he printed it out and

20:59

he didn't saved on a hard drive he knocked ah

21:02

here on to it's a certain words

21:04

were to lose slows down

21:06

any had to try to remember what they had said and

21:08

he'd axial entire for yes and

21:10

so on

21:11

via the quote brackets

21:13

on his computer was stuck

21:15

the dagger yes are not working so

21:17

i be my only point years like it seems pretty obvious

21:19

me that if is still magnus said

21:21

plagiarize six sentences

21:24

what mean it as a human nature i guess i'd wondered

21:26

does like treats her friends and reserve release i do

21:29

not think liberals would be calling for

21:31

contacts and forgiveness

21:33

and time is so magnus did this and

21:35

i don't think it's helpful you and i have both see

21:37

the saying words lights okay well

21:39

maybe the point is fair but they're bad

21:41

so we can accept their point that's not a intellectually

21:43

healthy way to go about the world right

21:45

in this happens all the time

21:48

and you know i think this happens with him all the time in

21:50

both of us have talked about our gripes with some of

21:52

his coverage in the past but friend since on

21:54

the we sponsor he was recovered in it and another

21:56

pair that another episode antidote

21:59

to that like long

21:59

the short a a person

22:02

who identified as a as a trans

22:04

woman was in a bathroom at a spa and some women complain

22:06

that she had her penis out and

22:08

eddie know broke the story that this person was a

22:11

had , record as a sex offender but

22:13

it's and you know and so people just dismiss it

22:16

and dismiss happens all the time it happens on both left

22:18

and the right you just saved this out later this person

22:20

as bad therefore we will not take anything

22:22

that they

22:23

seriously yeah and

22:25

it's it's it's not it's not good

22:27

because disease uses not to like clean of stuff

22:29

on your own side not to take opposing arguments seriously

22:32

it's of course incentives are do the opposite

22:34

here they're like they're all that investigated ted

22:36

cruz i jumped

22:39

it on twitter it's these are serious charges

22:41

at buried at full investigation he tweeted

22:43

tag instead are among others

22:45

see just we want to sitting us senator

22:47

tempted senator intervene to intervene your individual

22:49

plagiarism cases a private universe is absurd ted

22:51

cruz would do that for and definitely stitches

22:53

very concerned about plagiarism

22:55

the country say anything when molony of

22:57

plagiarism michelle obama sleep

22:58

and

23:00

jersey now studios actual basis

23:02

they i i couldn't find it scrolling back to

23:04

find the past week's worth of discourse

23:07

capital be of course about this one time

23:09

and you seems to be that the criticisms are

23:11

quote bad faith and quotes but what does

23:13

that matter what so madness or

23:15

says is either true or it isn't the conduct

23:17

alleges either okay results as

23:19

usual glacis is correct because you that you're

23:21

white dude bros assets himself ah

23:24

this whole like it's a bad faith criticisms

23:26

are a basset criticisms are by interstate

23:29

is pretty straightforward you seems to plagiarize and

23:31

thus plagiarism is usually frowned upon

23:33

within academia

23:35

you think that he should as

23:37

disclose like a little note

23:39

was in the tax i got a i fucking hate kevin

23:41

etti as

23:44

it is stories are you know that but i think like to sit have

23:46

been a footnotes every sentence

23:48

and then says a different me name is tali

23:51

chemicals pc asshole

23:53

lip tar

23:53

have you ever

23:56

had the opportunity to report on someone who

23:58

fucking

23:58

ah

23:59

a dinner as they

24:02

say i was i didn't know how to handle activators

24:04

lights no i'm not really but but

24:06

is tricky to know like what the

24:08

what do you have to disclose at what point do

24:11

this really disliked someone that you

24:13

so much that you to send report other schools

24:15

like in classical newspaper reporter if

24:17

you'd have like a brief squabble with someone five

24:20

years ago your as editor with your you can't read about them

24:22

yeah i did this once

24:24

so there's a reporter in seattle

24:26

named eric as he barnett who i didn't

24:28

have any problem with until she's

24:30

like started public

24:31

disparaging mates and

24:33

i wrote about her in

24:35

twenty nineteen because

24:37

she had written a piece for the atlantic

24:40

on and the peace

24:43

it basically a kid this became a major story

24:45

she basically accuse these these

24:47

like local conservative radio

24:49

host of giving l

24:52

seattle city how i a seattle city

24:54

council members so number on

24:56

air and as she put

24:58

in this this atlantic peace relentlessly

25:01

urging listeners to call her office

25:03

and , weekend this major local story because it was

25:05

a female city

25:07

councilmember being harassed because of these conservative

25:10

you know i think know figure to see barnett

25:12

them shock jocks

25:13

well it turns out that she likely didn't actually

25:15

listen to the red radio show where they apparently

25:18

did as because they never did this

25:20

anyway own they sued the atlantic

25:23

and her the atlantic

25:25

settled atlantic don't know how much they got

25:27

but i think they got wait

25:30

a bit of money and the scott and in the city

25:33

had to pay i think thirty thousand dollars

25:35

in legal fees so

25:37

i wrote about that i did not

25:39

disclose that i did don't like this woman

25:41

i guess maybe i should have and then after

25:44

i wrote the p c like wrote my bosses at the stranger

25:46

demanding all of these retractions within that

25:48

there's nothing sexy wrong about it

25:50

in that case she was sort of able to say like

25:52

look caterers or doesn't like me therefore

25:54

don't take this seriously which isn't

25:56

fair i mean to reporting itself is fine but

25:58

it it also this or that

25:59

the eiger one thing as interesting

26:02

and bad among many other things about be

26:04

on twitter is like you inevitably have run

26:06

ins with so many people and then flights

26:09

then flights know at some point obsessives you cover academic

26:11

controversies some point you might want to write about as

26:13

you need you to disclose two

26:16

years ago he called me a child and i was like

26:18

fuck you assess assess

26:20

and assess i it is a is you to dated

26:22

him with nude pictures of myself into bassa

26:25

doj has disclosed

26:26

there is a very very long

26:28

editor's note that the that did he and of almost

26:31

every article is that was required

26:33

i do think there are certain stories of people should stay

26:35

away from just because of via

26:37

through the appearance of i as i don't think that so magnussen

26:41

you know reporting on kevin cruises a legislators

26:43

nirvana when it's not even light

26:46

and so like reporters just literally

26:48

say look at this broke his so straightforward

26:50

yeah i know i don't think the annual conflict deaths

26:54

have you ever played right

26:54

i don't think that i have i mean i have i

26:56

have self plagiarize which i didn't realize

26:59

was a was like a saying in saw

27:01

jonah lehrer got ,

27:03

by friend of the pod michael moynihan

27:06

dissolute of a story though is recounted

27:08

in jon ronson look so you been publicly shamed

27:10

on where i had you know i'd written

27:13

something and then i like copied a paragraph

27:15

that i'd i'd written for something in and post and

27:17

and pasted it in another article and

27:20

once i realized that i realized apparently of a

27:23

major said i believe i have dot

27:26

i'm take enough of the internet

27:27

where

27:29

are you know

27:32

i'd never plagiarize anything one time

27:34

for score and seven years ago iced i considered

27:36

as really a farce y u

27:41

s of yourself

27:43

please read my amid today's the

27:45

progress of i don't think i simply drugs because

27:47

i'm partial or story i'm careful

27:50

i don't think i knew what a beer was vm careful

27:52

been considered such as i said blah

27:54

blah blah

27:54

what a lot only series i the reason

27:57

that i sell plagiarize was like at the time

27:59

i were to place where i had multiple

28:01

deadlines a day and at some point it was is like i

28:03

i have written this thing i'm going to do this

28:06

still apologies

28:07

a lot of bad journalism comes from multiple

28:09

deadlines a day it's not yeah

28:11

added not even laziness it's just

28:13

like a straight up lack of time

28:15

yeah

28:17

i did you know cabin cruiser

28:19

plagiarism or slavery or segregation whites

28:21

what did because his first tweeted living coming

28:23

back i hope it's hey there journalists

28:25

hey there tweezers

28:28

year ah it's funny though

28:30

as a richer is what happens i assume

28:32

he's probably being investigated by his

28:34

publishers university or both i

28:37

i don't think that that should

28:39

a internal i

28:41

think one instance of lungs or plagiarism chefs

28:43

and forgiveness i say that about a lot of things but i advise

28:45

you don't want his career ruined about it over at even

28:48

as he if this is it stirs as people point out

28:50

now people are going to go through all his work and dot they

28:52

usually people who played your eyes and it

28:54

sounds like he like deathly plagiarize was there

28:56

some other questionable south probably

28:59

be more but if there isn't more i i i hope his

29:01

career would be ruined over this assumes not

29:03

right

29:03

or when it comes back they begin i joined

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at that discord that a pleasure

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okay next we're going to be talking about were rebecca jones

31:44

a woman who depending on you ask may be

31:46

a hero or maybe a con artist

31:49

jesse have you heard of rebecca jones

31:51

i vaguely remember that

31:53

see heroically rescued

31:56

america from cooks

31:59

current of our sad

31:59

that

32:00

the centers vomited out into the public discourse

32:02

is that the more or less a storyline

32:04

yeah so something like that so

32:06

, a geographer and a data scientist who

32:08

was working with the florida department of health's

32:10

cove and nineteen dashboard at the beginning of the pandemic

32:13

the dashboard is basically an online tracking program

32:15

for covert cases i'm and then it may

32:17

twenty twenty she was fired

32:19

by the florida department of health for what

32:21

jones claimed was a refusal to manipulate

32:24

the states raw cove and nineteen data so

32:26

that it would look like the states reopening

32:28

plan was more effective than it actually was

32:31

here's how she put it she said that she

32:33

was asked to quote manually change

32:35

data to drum up support for the plan to reopen

32:38

and she tweeted that florida as deputy

32:41

secretary for health quote told

32:43

me quote delete cases and deaths she

32:45

later deleted that tweet and tweeted

32:48

quote the leading death was never something

32:50

was never out to do no i've never claimed that

32:52

it was and then she deleted that one to

32:54

this sort of in

32:55

susanna like literally month

32:58

or racing dust for political purposes

33:00

and rhonda santas ah you know die

33:02

with national political ambitions who are

33:04

his still corporate policies were very

33:08

i want to a liberal in the sense that there weren't many

33:10

but there were served as they were lax

33:12

yes right so this would have been leaders

33:14

this was considered like an incredibly

33:16

massive bombshell scandal

33:18

absolutely and she was received this

33:20

massive wave of positive media coverage

33:23

and support for her active hashtag resistance

33:26

npr covered this extensively and sympathetically

33:28

a as in many other outlets the basic

33:31

story was that jones claimed

33:33

that she was fired for being a whistleblower

33:35

while rhonda sentences office

33:37

claim that she was fired for insubordination

33:39

and i imagine that most readers hearing

33:41

about this on npr reading about in the times

33:43

or washing it on cnn would assume

33:46

that the santas his office was the one that was lying

33:48

do you think that's the correct assumption yeah or a

33:50

fair assumption yeah yeah yeah

33:53

who's more likely to be lying this random

33:55

woman who you've never heard of until now or ron

33:57

desantis

33:59

so

33:59

after she was fired she started her own

34:02

competing dashboard she also filed a

34:04

whistleblower complete against the states and

34:06

so in december twenty twenty so six months later

34:08

six months of her being lauded as a hero

34:11

armed , enforcement rated her home

34:13

and took her computer and order to find

34:15

out if she was the person

34:17

who sent a message to estate planning

34:19

group on an emergency alert platform

34:21

that urged people to speak out about

34:24

how flora was refined decoded so

34:26

this was a message that went out like

34:28

to a specific group of people using

34:30

a some an emergency alert platform and it said

34:34

the time to speak out before another seventeen

34:36

thousand people are dead you know this is wrong

34:38

you don't have to be a part of this beer hero

34:40

speak out before it's too late so

34:43

state officials claim that the message was

34:45

traced to an ip address associated with

34:47

her a cow she denies sending it

34:49

the which i say okay sure

34:52

the

34:53

she also posted video of this raid

34:56

and this was of course met with overwhelming

34:58

outrage or against the sadness and support

35:00

for her she was named one of fortune

35:02

magazine's forty under forty and she was awarded

35:05

the forbes technology person of the year

35:07

a twitter lawyer ron philip

35:09

kalki he resigned from some

35:11

state commission in support of her

35:14

he posted his resignation letter on twitter and

35:16

it reads in part i have been increasingly alarmed

35:18

by governors response of the cub and nineteen pandemic

35:21

i believe this policy of the state towards cove

35:23

it is reckless and irresponsible i remained

35:25

in my position because health policy was

35:27

unrelated to my job at the on

35:29

the j and see which is this a judicial circuit

35:32

thing that he was on however

35:34

recent events regarding public access

35:36

to truthful data on the pandemic in the specific

35:38

treatment of rebecca jones has now made the

35:40

issue illegal one rather than just medical though

35:44

very brave of him earn jones

35:46

wrote in our that about this in the miami herald

35:48

here's a quote from that never let the

35:50

fear of retaliation temper your desire

35:52

to be a good honest person i

35:54

will continue to speak truth to power to provide

35:57

critical information on toronto virus and environmental

35:59

issues and never allow a man so

36:01

devoid of empathy and humanity sounds me

36:04

and of course that man was round isn't as

36:06

so a display she's really

36:09

considered really hero by many people

36:11

including herself and

36:13

after the rage the starts he starts fund me for her legal

36:15

does the fence at this point three

36:17

there were three hundred and twenty five thousand dollars she had another

36:19

go for me that i was unable to find that also

36:22

raise apparently and astronomical amount of money then

36:25

things started to fall apart much

36:27

support as jones got from the very

36:30

beginning some people were skeptical of

36:32

her especially on the race than you are times

36:34

that a good job covering this physical

36:36

from one of their story miss jones

36:38

has not been universally embrace as a whistle blower

36:41

some critics have dismissed her lack of public

36:43

health training others have been made uncomfortable

36:45

by the attention she has sought sometimes tagging

36:48

late night host stephen colbert for example

36:50

in her twitter post she says it it isn't

36:52

a gag meant to bring levity to her dog

36:54

social media feed her dash for sure

36:56

the higher total number of cases in the state's official

36:58

records because it includes number a positive

37:00

antibodies us something the department of health and

37:02

alcide epidemiologists do not recommend

37:05

miss jones has reactive defensively to some

37:07

of their criticism on twitter and then

37:10

there's also this paragraph from that same time

37:12

space search warrant

37:14

served as we did not represent miss jones

37:16

first brush with the law she faced

37:18

a number of criminal charges and florida including

37:21

criminal mischief in violation of a domestic

37:23

violence ejection all involving

37:25

a relationship with one of her former students

37:27

when she was a graduate assistant at florida state

37:30

university none of them resulted

37:32

in conviction but last year policy prosecutors

37:34

charged miss charged miss was

37:35

i was talking the man

37:37

okay so much story

37:40

itself is probably learned enough for its own

37:42

episode but basically and twenty nineteen

37:44

she was charged with stalking and ex boyfriends

37:47

this is covered by the gainesville florida

37:49

npr out the outlet they reported

37:52

that she published a sixty eight page

37:54

documents online discussing

37:56

the private details of her relationship

37:58

with his former boyfriend student and

38:01

quote including explicit tax and nude

38:03

photographs the , also

38:05

reported that they had sex in a classroom

38:08

and twenty seventeen when she was a

38:10

mere a professor of for the state or

38:12

that's what he told police she was fired

38:14

from the university after threatening to give

38:16

his roommate a failing grade of

38:18

for retell as retaliation and

38:21

then join your yeah so

38:23

apparently this was a six month long affair

38:26

and she is the

38:27

there of her child

38:28

that sounds pretty bad yeah here's a quote

38:31

from the denzel npr station

38:33

peace offering to police jones

38:35

wrote in emails to the man quote you're

38:37

going to be famous we're going to destroy each

38:39

other this is never going to end

38:41

doesn't sound like a great i'm

38:43

no environmental i said but she doesn't sell it

38:45

a great person

38:46

okay this was not actually her first arrest

38:49

and twenty sixteen she was working

38:51

at louisiana state university and

38:53

she was arrested after she refused to leave

38:55

campus and then resisted arrest

38:57

and assaulted a police officer she

39:00

, apparently order to leave campus by human

39:02

resources i'm thinking she was

39:04

fired by ls you but i can confirm

39:07

that okay yeah she's

39:09

yeah character i don't know if she's a person would maybe

39:11

we should just like do a little bit of due diligence

39:13

i'm for we raise this evil up as heroes

39:16

okay so back to twenty twenty

39:18

the local national media started to look more

39:21

deeply into this case and basically everything

39:23

fell apart

39:24

her former colleague started speaking up and saying

39:26

basically this isn't true for does dashboard

39:29

is basically on par with every other states and

39:31

are a lot of holes in concert inconsistency

39:33

is in her story and the most

39:35

thorough tix own came from the national news

39:38

charles koch he wrote this and made twenty

39:40

made twenty he reported that

39:42

right before she was fired there was an internal

39:44

complaint by her supervisor because

39:46

among other things she was publishing

39:49

data from the das wird and talking to the press

39:51

without permission and she's

39:53

a state employee right

39:54

the are you care absolutely can do that

39:56

it like if you're going to do it

39:58

fucking leaks and league some documents whenever

40:00

and hydra trucks i'm so after

40:02

she did this her always changed basically

40:05

she was told was told working on the cover dashboard

40:08

and then the next day she explicitly

40:10

violated this instruction and actually

40:13

crash the dashboard by creating a

40:15

new account for herself and then moving a

40:17

ton of data into it she didn't

40:19

tell anyone that she did this so while

40:21

the i t department was busy trying to

40:23

figure out what like what the fuck happened

40:25

to their dashboard she locked out

40:27

the only other department of health employee

40:29

with full administrative access to the dashboard

40:32

she locked amount of his account

40:34

this is already suspicious that's my take

40:36

okay so

40:38

then it's when they figured out what

40:40

was what was happening and ordered her to restore

40:42

the skies access she instead

40:45

of like doing what she was told she

40:47

gave him a lower administrative access

40:49

to this to the say so she remained

40:51

the only person with full access to it she

40:54

told the department this is because of quote concert

40:56

security concerns for some reason

40:59

they did not fire her immediately and

41:01

then a few days later she sent out a mass

41:04

email to everyone who use the dashboard

41:06

including people outside of that apartments

41:08

saying that her access had been removed because

41:10

she refused to manipulate data and

41:12

so then the press been picked up a story and she

41:14

was fired three days after

41:15

so she said she was

41:18

fired for selling for refusing

41:20

to manipulate data but right before she was fired

41:22

the resists she's literally locking one

41:25

of her colleagues out of the account that he should have

41:27

access or say yes

41:28

so charles koch he says

41:30

that she quotes single handedly managed

41:33

to convince millions of americans that gov

41:35

rhonda santas had been fudging the states coburn

41:37

nineteen data and he appears to be

41:39

right about this the media who

41:41

publish her claims without doing any sort

41:43

of due diligence are definitely

41:46

to blame for this misperception but she

41:48

herself like she started a conspiracy theory

41:50

and then she profited off of it

41:53

so around the same time of the as this

41:55

she also filed also restraining order

41:57

against christina push on who is the

42:00

winner is now gov to santa says press

42:02

secretary after push all wrote

42:04

a blog post called the floor takeover

42:06

nineteen whistleblower is a big lie

42:09

then she falsely claim that push all violated

42:11

the restraining order then

42:13

as the never ends in

42:16

june twenty twenty one and she was

42:18

suspended from twitter for allegedly

42:20

buying followers and she's still suspended

42:22

from twitter today okay

42:24

sort of the biggest crime of all

42:26

right okay so let's

42:28

fast forward to may have twenty

42:30

twenty do then the

42:32

florida office of the inspector general

42:34

released it's report based on her whistleblower

42:37

complaints and basically found that all

42:39

of her claims were unfounded so

42:42

somehow managed to spin as as vindication

42:44

and use it in her fundraising campaigns so

42:46

in one of her go funny of these she wrote if

42:49

you're like a massive wait taken off of me to be

42:51

vindicated finally after all this time all

42:53

the efforts by the state to the same mean smear

42:55

me and the failed attempts to discredit me with baseless

42:58

claims have finally been been proven false

43:01

okay so by this time the

43:03

media coverage has almost entirely

43:05

shifted but shifted also noticed that many

43:08

of the very outlets i gave her glowing

43:10

coverage glowing the beginning of this basically didn't

43:12

report on the office the office inspector

43:15

general findings at all and a few

43:17

outlets have actually stuck by their narrative for

43:19

instance daily coast which reported quote

43:22

the report which found rebecca told the truth

43:24

about the state ordering her to hide and delete data

43:26

from public access to contended that's

43:28

not a crime has been hailed as a victory and jones

43:30

case according to legalize respects metro

43:32

it's just like that's not even second

43:34

that all way to therefore didn't find

43:36

that she does she told the truth about bs

43:38

know i'm confused

43:40

they did go for just didn't find apple in the south are

43:42

just reports the opposite

43:43

it will , to leave you can look at

43:45

the report's authors like some point where it's a little bit

43:47

fuzzy butler's like for were like

43:49

for claims and each one is

43:51

they systematically knockdown each one

43:53

there's one that was like maybe neutral but

43:56

yeah like very clear that she was lying again

43:59

lessing rebecca jones is now

44:01

running for congress against my gates jesse

44:03

here's a hypothetical for you you live in florida

44:06

you have two options

44:07

i live in florida throw myself

44:09

the know that it on how since you have

44:11

two options matt gates or rebecca

44:13

jones video for throwing yourself

44:15

in the ocean is on the answer

44:20

wow that's a solo i would you

44:22

rather jones

44:24

because you just forget about horrible people and ideologically

44:27

adversity zones where well as it ever since

44:30

trump versa

44:30

yeah yeah that's that's tough

44:32

when i guess i would have to say jones

44:35

to

44:37

that we go it be really fucking hard i don't

44:39

know i don't know who's a little worse person

44:41

the ocean learn the ocean causes

44:43

wonderful sharks and be over so quickly

44:45

forty years on there is enough forty five

44:47

in my could say was okay

44:50

so what does this tell us jesse

44:52

well the ,

44:54

is bad a lot of media is bad there's

44:56

a search for it's easy heroes

44:58

and villains and especially anything involving

45:00

a hot button issue like this at all the hop i diseases

45:03

adults rhonda scientists who liberals eight

45:05

or i'm i'm definitely said it had current

45:07

a virus it had that fight between blue and red

45:09

say to run outta outta

45:12

heard a virus had a lack of due diligence

45:14

there's not really much for tennessee to look into these

45:16

folks you pop up as like resistance heroes

45:18

i think that's really the made lots of years like the resistance

45:20

heroes more off

45:23

smarter than you think they have some griffey

45:25

elements to them

45:26

yeah it sort of reminded me of the case of my

45:28

glove a naughty who was like

45:30

lauded as lauded hero as a sort of resistance hero

45:32

resistance can't even remember why display something to do

45:34

with trump vivid fucking crook

45:36

yeah this is like any any

45:38

time there's time some sort of mass panic

45:41

or outrage or outrage anger that's

45:43

when grifters can really do that worse because people

45:45

are like are mostly around and are searching for

45:48

searching for and they're scared and know it sounds

45:50

really crappy was this woman did based on what your

45:52

time

45:52

yeah it's reddit i do think it's unfortunate

45:55

that a lot of these outlets that gave

45:57

her basically gg glowing profiles just

46:00

totally ignored the fact that they were basically kind

46:02

i don't think any of her awards subject

46:04

really crazy maybe

46:06

big of a couple of like my

46:08

one in particular me to taste where there was

46:11

there a a of coverage when the dude was

46:13

called out on twitter and then all this new

46:15

evidence came out and no one's awesome revisit

46:17

which is why didn't he says us sooner dlc

46:19

a

46:19

indeed signore ones closest

46:22

, a edison yours is like well

46:24

this idea get inside minutes some point but basically

46:26

he was accused of whites do something

46:28

at a car at convention and

46:32

and many months and a lawsuit and league

46:34

text messages later this woman just was

46:36

lot she based on my interpreters just

46:38

like total wire but none of the outlets

46:40

who are like all and siniora italy the city

46:42

mans seem to have got

46:45

back and follow up with

46:47

these new details that i see basically

46:49

exculpate i'm i'm so

46:52

it's a problem

46:53

have you ever had to do anything

46:55

like that some like major correction on a story

46:57

there was one where can

47:00

, was a grim the details it was some sort of social

47:02

science controversy and i

47:04

was sufficiently convinced sufficiently

47:06

messed it up that i basically did rewrote

47:08

the whole thing and posted like

47:10

the police was in unlike anything quarter or trans

47:13

or it's like that and posted like a me a copper

47:15

and i it's included a link to a screenshot

47:17

of the old story it's just so people

47:19

could like see what i'd

47:22

done wrong and what i'd done by yeah that was the

47:24

worse when i was a color the details it was not

47:26

on a so sexy subject would i

47:28

nothing like this i don't think

47:30

i mean there was i was kind

47:32

one time when i worked at rest i was conned

47:35

by somebody who is suing some sort of like trolling

47:37

performance or who a

47:39

he said that he was a like a real

47:42

estate agent who is specializing

47:45

in homes that like slaughter homes that would

47:47

be ocean front

47:50

because of climate change and

47:52

i did like blink i looked at his leg day

47:55

and i talked to him on the phone i did like of

47:57

a few things to verify that he was real

47:59

that he wasn't on so that was

48:02

pretty embarrassing and i think things like that

48:05

are frankly for a reporter especially

48:07

if it's something sort of inconsequential are actually pretty

48:09

it's it's good it's because it it

48:12

makes you paranoid it makes a careful of

48:14

they should be very i'm like before

48:16

i publish something i am constantly

48:19

hard to when you pray that i've gotten details

48:21

wrong have gotten the big picture wrong constantly

48:24

is a mexican

48:25

yeah ah this

48:27

is really crazy when i hope there's some good thought why

48:29

some glove magazine article about at some point

48:31

use right it

48:32

looks are checking with her go on

48:33

he was you that know i hope she's

48:35

doing

48:36

she is a to the three hundred and twenty

48:38

seven thousand nine hundred and seventy

48:41

seven

48:41

jolly good for her

48:44

what a brave one

48:45

yeah you know you could donate like

48:47

a family his the house burned down or like

48:49

a child who needs a new kidney but it

48:51

or you could donate to rebecca

48:52

hey i heard a

48:54

way grist i didn't he also this this

48:56

is holy fucking crazy

48:58

having of it

48:59

did it was reported figures always

49:01

to tracing would greens for jaw so

49:03

much production and research help i'm

49:05

jesse singal and remember for score

49:08

and seven years ago we started apart

49:10

us

49:10

and i'm katie herzog and also remember if

49:13

you're a florida voter, you can always ride

49:15

in a candidate