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yeah

0:51

Hey, Jesse.

0:52

Hey, Katie. How's it going? Pretty

0:55

good. Yeah. I've been tormenting you for the last

0:57

couple hours.

0:58

We had to do a road trip today together.

1:00

I

1:01

will tell you about Jesse's car on the next

1:03

episode.

1:04

I

1:05

think there were bodies in

1:06

it. So

1:08

over the last couple hours, I told Katie

1:10

I had an intro planned. I didn't want her

1:12

to know what it was. Great idea. And I

1:14

keep telling her I don't think it's gonna go very well.

1:16

Right. As usual. Which is dishonest,

1:19

but it comes from the fact

1:21

that Katie is a little bit

1:23

of like a what's the word for it?

1:25

A hic.

1:26

Oh, a hic. A robe.

1:27

Yeah. You're from North Carolina. Yeah.

1:31

When you when we got here, when we arrived in

1:33

the car, in my amazing car, my two thousand nine

1:35

Camry, your eyes were so

1:37

wide at the buildings.

1:39

I've never seen buildings before. I do live in a

1:41

van.

1:41

This is a direct quote. This is what Katie said.

1:44

How did them their building get so tall?

1:47

Your anti southern prejudice is showing.

1:49

We we had pull over. She had panic attack.

1:52

Anyway -- This didn't happen. -- I would like to

1:54

make you feel like a real New Yorker.

1:56

feel like a real new order.

1:58

I have a question for you. And before

1:59

you answer, keep in mind, this is

2:02

the only intro I've prepared And

2:04

contractually, we have to fill eighty or ninety minutes.

2:06

Are you gonna ask me where I was on nine eleven?

2:10

Yeah. I know you were celebrating.

2:13

Hey, just because

2:15

I'm Muslim. Come on.

2:16

I would like to teach you

2:18

how to eat a slice of pizza like a New Yorker.

2:20

Not gonna fucking do this.

2:22

I think we should. Should we should do this? Yes.

2:24

We're not

2:24

doing this. Don't

2:28

encourage him.

2:30

So imagine we're two hedge fund bros.

2:32

Right? We just finished

2:34

a Coke fueled twenty two hour session

2:37

we now own the rights to, like, the minerals

2:39

in the Central African Republic. Okay? We're

2:41

both wearing fleece mask. We're

2:42

both wearing fleece mask. We go to the pizza place

2:45

to celebrate. We

2:47

go to Joe's, which is one of the best places around.

2:52

I'm

2:52

new to prop comedy. This is not gonna go well.

2:55

He's

2:55

new to comedy. This is not gonna

2:57

go live.

3:00

This is audio, by the way, Jesse. You need

3:02

to narrate everything there. there

3:04

are two slices of pizza on the table.

3:09

Okay. So the first thing any New Yorker

3:12

knows

3:15

But it's the first

3:16

thing that I that in New York or not.

3:18

Before you eat the pizza, you have to

3:20

tenderize the gluten.

3:24

Just give that, like, two or three good snacks. Take

3:26

it to pound pound.

3:27

Pound pound. Okay.

3:30

harder. Is

3:33

this pornographic? What?

3:36

Alright.

3:37

That's the first thing. No respectful

3:39

New Yorker would eat their pizza without chopsticks.

3:43

I hate you.

3:46

Yeah. The last thing is

3:50

if you're a real working class New Yorker,

3:53

turmeric.

3:59

And we

3:59

can't forget the condiment which is mustard.

4:03

We're

4:03

gonna skip the muster. I don't know how to open it.

4:07

I'm not I'm not gonna fucking eat that.

4:11

Okay. Everyone knows that real New Yorkers

4:13

as they bite into their pizza. What do you

4:15

say? Say it with me.

4:16

I'm walking here.

4:21

can't believe she didn't take a bite.

4:23

Really? You can't believe, but you I didn't take a bite

4:25

at the beginning.

4:25

I totally can't believe it. work on.

4:27

Alright. We are not repeating this in Arlington.

4:31

Alright. Let's

4:33

do some you know, let's go shop. Katie, what is the

4:36

name of this live from New York podcast? This

4:38

is blocked and reported, and I'm Katie

4:39

Herzog. and I'm Jesse Single as

4:42

I swallow the turmeric laced pizza.

4:48

Katie, today we're gonna talk about everybody's

4:50

favorite sex,

4:51

male. Yeah. Sure.

4:53

Not mine. Specifically, we're gonna

4:56

talk about young males who spend too much time

4:58

online and don't know how to talk

5:00

to girls, which is a stretch of a

5:02

subject for me to cover. Uh-huh.

5:05

these young men are they're

5:07

filled to the brim with man juice, and

5:09

they don't know what to do with that man juice. Are

5:11

you talking about SEMAAN?

5:12

NO, I remember SO LAST

5:15

NIGHT, WE HAD CAROL HUBENON, SHE'S AN Evolutionary

5:17

BIOLLIOUS WHO studied testosterone, AND I COULDN'T

5:19

STOP SAY MANDERS, COULDN'T STOP

5:21

SAY MANDERS.

5:22

stop saying man juice. Man juice. I'm

5:24

gonna call HR on you. So

5:27

yeah. Anyway, we have two stories about man

5:29

juice to share with you tonight.

5:31

So who

5:32

the fuck is Andrutate and does

5:34

his existence prove there is no God?

5:37

Yes. I'm

5:39

probably I gonna spill this on your laptop. Is

5:41

that

5:41

okay? No.

5:43

He needs a Sippy cup. Does anybody

5:45

have a Sippy cup here or a bottle?

5:47

Katie, we recently started

5:49

getting a fair number of emails about Andrew

5:51

Tate because

5:52

we are not members of Andrew Tate's core

5:54

audience, which is sixteen year old versions with

5:56

absent fathers, we didn't really

5:58

know much about the guy. I'm gonna

5:59

warn you guys, we have a lot of

6:02

virgin talk today, and this is not

6:04

because we have any problems with virgin,

6:06

one of us maybe one.

6:07

Technically

6:10

not. Of course.

6:13

It was a health issue, so it still counts. So

6:16

she had four legs. So, Andrew

6:18

Tait, despite us not really know much about

6:20

him, he is apparently one of the more famous people

6:22

on the planet. at least as far

6:24

as Google is concerned or

6:26

at least he was doing a brief horrible span this

6:28

summer. That's his line in blue. And

6:30

on the screen here is a Google trends

6:32

chart. More popular or more talked

6:34

about than Kim Kardashian, Chloe

6:36

Kardashian or Brad Pitt.

6:38

Where's our line? Our line is so far

6:40

up you would need, like,

6:42

a ten skyscraper buildings. It's in the heavens.

6:45

Yeah. So who

6:47

is this dude? He's basically a

6:49

thirty five year old masculinity hustler.

6:51

If you're a young man unsure of your

6:53

place in a rapidly changing world,

6:55

and especially if you're unsure how to talk to

6:57

women, which I have trouble with on a

6:59

weekly basis. Indeed. Andrew

7:01

Kate is sort of a punch to the face to

7:03

knock you out of your complacency and

7:05

teach you how to be the true alpha you

7:07

were born to be.

7:09

There are a lot of young men who might fall

7:11

under his spell. There are a lot of young men who

7:13

are truly aesthetic who have nothing

7:15

going for them in the world and you are hard to

7:17

feel any empathy for. And on the screen

7:19

is a photo of Jesse Luke stupid.

7:22

Shit. How did that get in there?

7:27

Sorry. That's entertained, actually. So

7:30

if you if any of you have a my male

7:32

child, a boy, these are the two types of

7:34

dudes. Yeah. The

7:35

alpha and the omega

7:40

Hey, what's up, ladies?

7:43

Okay. So

7:45

though Uh-oh.

7:48

There we go. There we go. So if you're

7:50

one of these angry sorts of young man, a Jesse

7:52

single type, Andrew Kate will tell you how

7:54

to get what you want. more importantly, he'll tell he'll

7:56

tell you who's responsible if you don't get what you want.

7:59

Women. Women. He

8:01

blames women. He blames our modern liberal

8:03

norms that cuddle people like Katie

8:05

because he thinks women should sort of be

8:08

under the control of men. He

8:10

says this pretty explicitly. And if

8:12

you need proof that his ideology leads to success

8:14

look no further than his endless social media

8:16

posts in which he's enjoying a lux lifestyle

8:18

that includes cars, a concentrative

8:21

women, and every other signal of high

8:23

status. imaginable. After

8:26

achieving fame as a fairly successful

8:28

professional kickboxer and a much less successful

8:30

contestant on Big Brother's season seventeen,

8:33

Tate became an ardent

8:36

enthusiast of multiple Get rich quick schemes.

8:38

These have included running a ring of

8:40

webcam girls, so basically girls who strip

8:42

on stage or on camera

8:44

for men who pay for the privilege of

8:46

watching them do that. He also

8:48

ran something called hustler's University, which we

8:50

will get to because it's amazing. And

8:52

wasn't he investigated for

8:54

sex trafficking, something like that? Where

8:56

aren't we all at one point or another?

8:58

Yeah. I have to

9:00

leave out some crazy stuff about his story. He's

9:02

lived a rich life to say the least,

9:04

but he moves

9:07

to Romania in part because direct

9:09

quote corruption is accessible

9:11

to everybody there. It's

9:13

a democracy. It's true. It's true. It's a

9:15

democracy. So he's a dude who has openly complain

9:17

that in the UK where he used to live,

9:19

cops, bobbies, look

9:21

down on attempted bribery. Kate.

9:25

So, yeah, he moved from Romania because he likes the

9:27

corruption, but apparently he failed to bribe the right

9:29

people because his property

9:31

was raided in April as part of a

9:33

human trafficking investigation. There

9:35

was an American girl there who may have been lured

9:38

under false pretenses or abuse somehow,

9:40

but charges were filed. Then we're a

9:42

nascent until the proven dopey podcast.

9:44

Cancel culture. Cancel If

9:47

I can't move to Romania, and

9:49

traffic girls, the

9:51

SJWs have warned. Exactly.

9:54

So we could

9:56

talk about all this stuff forever But there's really

9:58

no way to capture Andrew

9:59

Tait, except with the video clips that

10:02

helped him make him way too famous. I

10:04

had someone make the following super cut

10:06

from two helpful Internet documentaries I highly

10:08

recommend one's called the decay of Andrew

10:10

Kate, TikTok's worst alpha male by

10:12

Jay Aubrey, the other is called the end

10:14

of Andrew Kate by Jomari. It's all

10:16

caps. Sorry. I'm trying to catch up.

10:19

strap yourselves in. There are

10:21

no other male roles. Because

10:23

to

10:23

inspire the youth of men,

10:25

you need to be aspirational. They have to look

10:27

at you and want to be like you.

10:30

and there's no other male role models that have

10:32

had the tenacity or the aggressiveness to

10:34

have such a fantastic life as I have. If you

10:36

have a seat belt on your chair, put it on. If you

10:39

don't, hold on tight We're about to get rich

10:41

right here, Hollister's University. Have you ever seen

10:43

a college professor with an s fifty three in

10:45

a McLaren and a Lambo and an Aston

10:47

Martin stepping next to a Porsche? No. You've never

10:49

seen any of this. I know how

10:51

to make cash. I set the

10:53

difference between rich and poor. My

10:55

amount of money is the amount of money you need

10:57

to be rich. If you have less money than me even by

10:59

a single cent, you're a fucking broky, a

11:01

waging, a peon, a peasant, a nobody.

11:03

You are poor. If you don't

11:05

believe in ghosts, the ghosts

11:07

can't hurt you. If you don't believe in

11:09

depression, you can't become depressed. And I

11:11

refuse to believe in something that's gonna

11:13

weaken me. Why would I believe

11:15

in something? That's gonna weaken my

11:17

ability to deal with problems in life.

11:19

And they say, well, what about Robin Williams? He was

11:21

famous. He killed himself blah blah blah. I

11:23

say, yeah. I don't tell you why he killed himself.

11:25

He killed him because of people like you

11:28

who are telling me telling him depression is

11:30

real, not people like me. If he would have walked

11:32

into his first therapy session, and his

11:34

therapist said, look, Robin, you're a millionaire. You're

11:36

famous. You can fuck any woman alive. You're

11:38

a millionaire. is insulting to

11:40

people with PTSD and genuine

11:42

conditions. Grow up. and get the fuck out my

11:44

office. I guarantee you'd still be

11:46

alive. You are poor, you are weak, you are

11:48

stupid, you are ugly, and you are short. You

11:50

are none of the things I am. And God

11:52

put me on this planet specifically to remind

11:54

you of how much you are failing.

11:56

You are failing the experience of

11:58

man because I exist.

12:00

Okay.

12:04

Lot of truth there.

12:07

I do have one quibble. Robin Williams

12:10

didn't have depression. He had Louis Body

12:12

dementia. Can we get a fact check?

12:14

I

12:14

was gonna say that's your one fact checking note from

12:16

all that. I mean, the rest

12:18

is fine. Yeah. So

12:20

those are only a few of the highlights of the stuff he

12:22

said over the years. He's also expressed some

12:24

other very interesting thoughts on other subjects.

12:26

Some of his most infamous statements were

12:29

about rape. And twenty seventeen,

12:31

as the mirror summed it up, he said

12:33

this about Harvey Weinstein and rape.

12:36

Secondly, Harvey. Creep, obviously, but

12:38

women have been exchanging sex for opportunity

12:40

for a very long time. Some did this, weren't

12:42

abused. Of course, now they will say they were

12:44

abused, However, at the time, it was a simple

12:46

exchange they park her in voluntarily. Not

12:48

all, but some.

12:49

Okay. Not all. He

12:52

said not all.

12:53

If

12:55

you put yourself in a position

12:57

to be raped, you must bear some responsibility.

13:00

What about that one, Katie? No comment.

13:02

You also said, I'm not

13:04

saying it's okay you got rape. No woman should

13:06

be abused regardless. However, with sex

13:08

assault they want to put zero blame on

13:10

the victim whatsoever. I mean,

13:13

some skirts are really short.

13:20

gonna take a sip of my

13:21

drink. Another

13:25

big viral moment came when he got in a

13:27

fight with a guy named John Rosenberg. John

13:30

Rosenberg is a web comic artist. His

13:32

kid has cerebral palsy And

13:34

John Rosenberg was trying to raise money to get him

13:36

some sort of important surgery. This is who Andrew

13:39

Tate chose to pick a fight with. Do

13:41

you

13:41

feel like a failure? I wish I could use his accent.

13:44

What

13:44

is his accent?

13:45

Romanian, British.

13:48

looks like mask It's like a

13:49

mix of every country with lacks sex

13:51

trafficking laws.

13:51

Yeah. It's it's me trying to do John

13:54

Ronson, trying to do it. Have you done Ronson right

13:56

now? No. That was it. I just did

13:57

it. Do you feel like a failure that the

13:59

amount you need to help your own son is less than a

14:02

quarter that I spend on one of my five cars?

14:05

I will help you. If you ask, it's nothing to

14:07

be. Your comic books have failed, but I am a success.

14:10

Ask nicely and I'll save your son.

14:11

Okay. he offered to save his son. What's

14:14

the problem here?

14:14

He turned

14:18

down Andrew hates very generous offer, but there

14:20

was a happy ending because Rosenberg

14:22

raised seventy one thousand of the sixty five thousand

14:24

he was seeking to raise. Some

14:27

adults have taken note of Tate's influence on

14:29

the youth and have started freaking out

14:31

This was posted to the subreddit

14:33

for teachers. Have

14:36

you

14:36

all heard of a sexist, misogynistic, disgusting

14:38

excuse of human being known as Andrew

14:40

Tate? Well, I promise you all your middle school

14:42

and high school boys have and they're addicted to his

14:44

content. Just this week, I had to have six

14:46

combos with families about their son saying

14:48

shit like women are inferior to men, women

14:50

belong in the kitchen. Not only are

14:52

they making these misogynistic claims in class, but

14:54

are literally refusing to do assignments if

14:56

it's sourced from a woman. So

15:00

I do think we should take this sort of anonymous

15:03

viral post with a grain of salt. This is a general

15:05

rule, but it's clear Kate has achieved some

15:07

sort of notariety escape velocity,

15:09

and now like normally parents are very

15:11

concerned about his influence. Yeah.

15:12

I've heard from parents as well who

15:14

their sons watch this guy

15:16

and like this and they're concerned

15:18

about it. They haven't yet started writing

15:20

articles about it in The New York Times, like the

15:22

woman who wrote the piece about her kid

15:24

like watching Jordan Peterson videos in the back of the car, but

15:26

I feel like that's coming next week. Yeah.

15:29

So I think there are two reasons he

15:31

caught on the way he did. And one is

15:33

there's clearly a huge number of young men on mind who will

15:35

cling desperately to any, like,

15:37

daddy figure who gives him a little bit

15:39

of tough love and guidance and structure.

15:42

Jordan Peterson was that guy

15:44

for a while and sort of still is and

15:46

Then he ate too much meat. He ate too much

15:48

meat. Even if you disagree with his

15:50

all meat diet or his daughter's all meat

15:52

diet, or his descent

15:54

into insanity, he's sort of

15:56

a giant Canadian teddy bear compared to

15:58

Androtate. Like, emaciated Canadian teddy bear. Like,

15:59

emaciated

15:59

it can a to me

16:00

Canadian teddy. That's a good merch idea.

16:03

Yeah. It's

16:06

just you can literally see its ribcail.

16:09

Yeah.

16:12

But

16:12

obviously, there are a lot of

16:14

masculinity hustlers out there, and almost none of

16:16

them have achieved the heights of Andrew Tate. I

16:18

think he has developed and expertly

16:21

weaponized understanding of the attention

16:23

economy. What seems to happen

16:25

over and over is that Tate will say some

16:27

extremely ridiculous crazy shit

16:29

but then the Internet's many nerdy fact checker

16:31

type just can't resist responding, which

16:33

only amplifies him further. I bet

16:35

a bunch of you have seen this great comic

16:37

from x KCD, Katie, let's read it

16:39

out. Are you

16:40

coming to bed? I can't. This is

16:42

important. What? Someone is wrong on

16:44

the Internet.

16:45

whoever did this really captured

16:47

you well.

16:48

Yeah. I was born

16:50

with a blank face and I had a

16:52

surgeon fill in all my features like a

16:54

budget tie surgeon. You've you've

16:56

gained weight. I

16:58

did. Yeah. Wait. We are

17:00

all this man at the computer. We all have

17:02

some tendency to not let shit go on the Internet.

17:04

And I think TAEZ become a giant

17:07

figure by taking advantage of this dynamic. Like, a

17:09

lot of people are just fundamentally incapable

17:11

of ignoring wrongness. Even

17:13

in cases where it's so wrong, that would be the best

17:15

bet. Like, there's a reason don't feed the

17:17

trolls has been a common saying in online community

17:19

since the days of, like, dial up

17:22

Internet. and message parts. Maybe the most famous

17:24

example of people feeding the trolls in Kate's

17:26

case came in twenty seventeen when

17:28

he tweeted some awful shit about

17:30

depression Here's an article that ran in

17:32

Upworthy if anyone remembers what that

17:34

is in twenty

17:35

seventeen. As the mirror

17:36

put it, A terrible tweet about

17:39

depression has the internet in an

17:41

uproar. Jacob Rowling and Pat and Oswald to the

17:43

rescue. My how

17:44

things change?

17:45

You just like

17:48

you get up, you go to your closet, you put

17:50

on a cape, and then you sit back down at your

17:52

computer. So,

17:54

yeah, they have his quotes there. said

17:56

depression isn't real. He said you feel

17:58

sad. You move on. He said you will always

18:00

be depressed if your life is depressed. Depressing at

18:02

the time you had twenty six thousand followers.

18:05

Sure enough, JK Rowling and Pat and Oswald

18:07

did weigh in, Rowling said, this

18:09

thread will teach you a lot about the defense mechanism

18:11

of projection. But zero about the

18:13

real mental illness that is depression. And then

18:15

she said trans women aren't

18:18

women.

18:21

And

18:22

Pat and Oswalt got even

18:24

angrier. He took

18:25

on Tastepoints one by one, one, false.

18:27

Two, you're not sad. You're insane. He can't move

18:29

on and eat up. Three, false. for

18:31

energy drink tagline bullshit. Five. Fuck you. No

18:34

thread. So

18:37

everyone had to chime in, in the

18:39

hopes of smarking their own viral smackdown of Andrew

18:41

Tait. This dumb toxic caveman bro who at

18:43

the time almost no one had heard of. Like, twenty six

18:45

thousand followers is not a lot.

18:47

if you're an influencer. But every time

18:49

this happened, his message was amplified further

18:51

because these guys had ten, twenty, thirty times

18:53

as many followers. as he did. And

18:55

I think this helped his profile explode. The

18:57

account we just showed you got shut

18:59

down, but his active one at covertate

19:02

king has a hundred thirty thousand followers.

19:04

Rolling Stone said he peaked at four point

19:06

six million followers on Instagram and

19:08

three quarters of a million on YouTube.

19:11

His most successful venture

19:14

by far appears to have been

19:16

hustler's University. So

19:18

it's sort of you

19:19

didn't first imagine the sort of person who would pay for

19:21

business advice from that guy. You just saw

19:23

the video.

19:25

It offers

19:27

the boys who follow Tate a chance to

19:29

hang out with, quote, millionaire professors.

19:31

What?

19:31

Like Ebrahim Kendi? Ebrahim

19:34

D'Angelo. oh, god. Imagine that.

19:36

Robin Deangelo and Andrew Tate.

19:38

We gotta both get them both on the boat. It

19:40

just it, like, works, and they actually have a

19:42

good conversation. Just need to have. Right?

19:44

Andrew Tate

19:46

moderates Robin D'Angelo. Yeah.

19:53

So, yeah,

19:55

in a certain way,

19:56

there's a lot of these like get rich, quick, masculinity

19:59

schemes, but there's an

19:59

element of tapes that's totally

20:02

fascinating that ties into TikTok. which

20:04

is according to Pew, the most social most

20:06

popular social media platform for teens and

20:08

far more popular among them than Twitter. So

20:10

here's what the observer wrote about this, which I

20:12

found very interesting. His

20:15

rapid surge

20:15

to fame was not by chance. Evidence obtained

20:17

by the observer shows that followers obtained are

20:19

being told to flood social media

20:21

with videos of him choosing

20:23

the most controversial clips in order to achieve maximum

20:26

views in engagement. The coordinated

20:27

effort involving thousands of members of Tate's

20:30

private online academy, Hussle's University,

20:32

and a network of copycat accounts on TikTok has

20:35

been described by experts as a blatant attempt

20:37

to manipulate the algorithm. They also

20:39

provide these like horrifying numbers

20:41

he got a hundred seven thousand kids to

20:43

pay thirty nine pounds a month to

20:45

join Hussle's

20:45

University, which is

20:48

arguably more

20:48

money than we make. Arguably, more

20:51

than you make. No. I don't know what I don't know what the

20:53

cut is. Katie controls the finances. Yeah.

20:55

Okay.

20:55

So people

20:57

are paying Andrew Tate to attend his

21:00

university. And then while

21:02

enrolled at the university, they learn

21:04

how to make videos of Andrew

21:06

Tate.

21:06

Exactly. Yeah. I think it's a full proof business

21:09

model. Yeah. There's also this, like,

21:11

sleazy affiliate marketing program where folks can make

21:13

money by getting their friends to join

21:15

Hussle's University. like any good scam, there's a

21:17

multi level marketing aspect to it. Okay.

21:19

So it's

21:19

like the toxic masculinity version

21:21

of selling leggings on Facebook

21:23

and Instagram. Yeah.

21:24

More or less. Yeah. So, yeah,

21:26

the dude's

21:27

been able to totally weaponize the oppositional

21:29

nature of the Internet. And

21:31

in a weird way this reminded me of us. How?

21:33

We both had

21:35

periods. I'm sure no one

21:36

You've never had a period.

21:38

Thank you. I I was

21:41

just gonna add the sentence there. We both had

21:43

periods. Also, we both

21:45

had spans of time when everyone was mad at

21:47

us online. That's strange. As some of you may have

21:49

noticed once in a

21:50

while, and I've definitely had people come up to me

21:52

and say, I didn't know who you were, then I

21:55

saw people were flipping this shit about you and I

21:57

read your stuff and I like it. I'm now a

21:59

subscriber. Yeah. I've

21:59

said this before, but sometimes I

22:02

feel like I should send the people in

22:04

Seattle who put up stickers

22:06

calling me a transborder fruit basket

22:08

because they drove people to my work.

22:10

It's

22:10

how it works. Like, even if you think you're dunking on

22:13

someone, you are expanding their reach and and the

22:15

number of people who see them and some

22:17

percentage of that group will give you money.

22:19

They'll give you money. Yeah. Yeah.

22:21

I also think Tate is

22:23

good at exploiting weaknesses in the

22:26

sort of hegemonic liberal culture, young

22:28

dudes encounter online. there's

22:30

this dynamic some of you may be familiar with where if,

22:32

like, there's a group of a hundred people

22:34

online, ninety of them can be

22:36

perfect, decent, kind, you

22:38

know, Jesse single types. But then ten of

22:41

them are Katy Herzogs, and

22:43

the Herzogs come to sort of dominate that group.

22:45

It's like that group consists of

22:47

vassal, Right. Yeah.

22:47

I can't think of any other examples.

22:50

So I think there is

22:52

a crop of online feminist writers

22:54

and pundits who have sort of

22:57

dominated social media over the last decade, and they

22:59

tend to be very arch and

23:01

focused on ridiculing and overgeneralizing

23:03

about men. This does not mean all feminists are

23:05

like that any means, but it does mean you're a seventeen year

23:07

old male with little real world

23:09

experience, social media can

23:11

absolutely inundate you with examples

23:13

of women just being mean and cruel and judging you,

23:15

over stuff you feel like you have no control

23:18

over. So because

23:19

of this a lot of like people,

23:21

especially angry young man who take my deal to target,

23:24

view feminism as synonymous with this

23:26

sort of sarcastic online bullying.

23:28

And and with this sort of imagery, which

23:30

I'm borrowing from a post Scott Alexander did on

23:32

this phenomenon in twenty fifteen.

23:36

So you have a guy

23:36

in a fedora saying, Malady,

23:39

And that was actually how I approached you to start

23:41

a podcast. Actually, I

23:43

called you Malini.

23:45

We have a

23:47

innocent young woman responding in horror. We

23:49

have neck beards of Reddit bragging about interacting with

23:52

women. And that is me on the bottom

23:54

left with the man boobs. That

23:56

was a self portrait they used without my

23:59

permission.

23:59

Yeah.

23:59

We're actually having a go fund me for

24:02

Jesse's top surgery. you

24:04

can donate after the show.

24:06

So, yeah, there

24:08

are a lot

24:08

of negative depictions of awkward young

24:10

men online. Actually, he's recently

24:13

asked Namikates, the host of the podcast

24:15

inside where she just interviews inside.

24:17

And it's terrifying and fascinating

24:19

whether she thought this

24:20

was a factor. Is she here? I

24:23

thought you said I thought you said you said I'm

24:26

hallucinating. I thought her response

24:28

was was really smart.

24:29

She basically talked how one of the first

24:32

incels I talked to mentioned the errant men or

24:34

trash tweet as a shorthand for feminist

24:36

talk. That's actually just misinterest and that

24:38

kind of talk is considered empowerment. or

24:40

at worst just written off as cute or harmless or relatable.

24:43

The reverse would not be true. In my personal

24:45

opinion, it's sort of natural for men and women

24:47

to gripe about each other's behavior in

24:49

private. Now with online culture, that private

24:51

stuff becomes public. In all its

24:53

bitterness and ugliness and people reading things

24:55

they probably shouldn't, men look in women's

24:57

faces, women look in men's faces,

25:01

So, I mean, Katie, I take it. You're

25:03

you're sympathetic to this idea that there's

25:05

certain forms of, like, hashtag

25:07

fuck all men discourse that are counterproductive. Yeah.

25:09

And I think there's a it's sort of a

25:11

self perpetuating cycle where you

25:13

have a group of hyper online

25:16

feminists. who are responding in

25:18

part to people like Andrew Tate, and

25:20

so they spread hashtag

25:22

men or trash, something that

25:24

wouldn't be permitted on those social forms

25:26

about any other demographic. And then

25:28

people see that, young men in

25:30

particular see that, and they respond by

25:32

going towards people like Andrew

25:35

Tade.

25:35

Yeah. So I think Tate really beats off of that

25:37

because that's the way he gains acolytes. He tells these

25:40

young men like the world is against you, the cultures

25:42

against you, and then it's easy to find examples

25:44

of that. even if they're not

25:46

representative. And -- Yeah. -- do you wanna

25:48

name some

25:48

names? About the feminist you

25:50

do that? Yeah. No. I'm scared. Yeah. She'll

25:52

be They'll bully me. I'm just like,

25:54

innocent young man trying make my way in the world,

25:56

innocent young enrollee of Husser's

25:59

University.

25:59

Okay.

26:01

So what's happened to Tate recently? He's

26:04

been in the news a lot.

26:05

Yeah. So an obviously shit really

26:07

hit the fan for his business

26:09

model. The Times reported that Andrew

26:11

K to former professional kick box who frequently

26:13

made misogynistic. I wish whenever I

26:15

came up in the news, It just had a

26:17

former professional kickboxer. That's

26:21

such a cool thing now associated with your

26:23

name. He's been banned in the last week from

26:25

Facebook, YouTube, and TikTok after

26:27

concerns about his influence on his millions of followers

26:29

escalated. Around this time, the affiliate

26:31

marketing portion of Husser's University also

26:33

appears to have been shut down.

26:34

So is he fucked? I mean, that can't be

26:36

good for business.

26:37

I think he's Does he have a

26:39

sub stack? You know,

26:42

Hamish is in town. He should

26:44

talk to payments. No. I

26:45

think he's semi fucked like he still has all these flying

26:47

monkeys doing his bidding. He still has a big

26:50

subscription base. But, yeah, it'll be hard for him

26:52

to maintain his momentum, the the blue

26:54

line going up being banned from these

26:56

accounts. And I actually

26:58

find myself a little bit torn a de

27:00

platforming here. Like, I think you can be both be

27:02

true that it's better for the

27:04

world for Kate to not have those

27:06

influence, but it's

27:06

also bad because, like, it it always seems like social

27:08

media platforms aren't consistent about this, and it sort of

27:11

capricious who they do or

27:13

don't kick off or violating the terms

27:15

of service. Oh,

27:15

yeah. For sure. It's also interesting that

27:18

all of these platforms banned him at the

27:20

same time. Yeah. No

27:22

collusion. No

27:23

collusion.

27:24

Yeah. So

27:27

before we wrap up this segment, I just

27:29

wanna highlight something really disturbing I

27:31

found, even more disturbing during

27:34

my in-depth investigation of Andrew Tate.

27:36

Oh, what's that?

27:37

I found that you and

27:38

him are really similar.

27:42

I

27:42

do have a Ferrari. Okay. It's

27:44

a van. You both participated in a

27:46

high level in a French sport no one

27:47

cares about. You were

27:50

a kayaker. Correct? That's true. What is

27:52

a kayaker? I can't get

27:53

into her. You wouldn't have to was

27:56

a cakeboxer.

27:57

You

27:58

both have, like, an army

27:59

of online psychos who attack

28:02

anyone because I Yes. Here

28:04

they are.

28:07

This one really disturbed me. You both

28:09

believe that women should serve

28:12

traditional roles. Yeah.

28:13

Women should stay in the podcast booth.

28:15

This

28:15

is a true story that really upset

28:18

me. The first

28:18

time I met you, your wife cooked for us,

28:20

which is really misogynistic. I

28:24

will beat her after after the

28:27

show. She is here. She will be

28:29

punished.

28:29

In all

28:32

my research, was only able to find one difference between the two of

28:34

you, which is that only one of you has a

28:36

husky, authoritative voice.

28:38

And it's

28:40

me. No.

28:42

The

28:44

most disturbing similarity I found

28:46

between the two of you centers

28:48

on your business model You

28:50

both make a living via brazen online scam, which entails

28:52

fooling vulnerable people into handing over their

28:54

credit card info.

28:56

Well,

28:59

as I was saying, you may actually

29:01

be right about this because I read

29:04

online just yesterday that

29:06

Andrew Tade has converted to

29:08

Islam, alaha walk

29:10

bar.

29:11

Is that

29:12

everything we wanted

29:15

to say about Andrew

29:17

Tate. Yeah. Should we

29:17

do some housekeeping? Do you do housekeeping at a

29:19

live show? I guess we

29:20

do housekeeping. I mean, if no one if

29:23

someone's in this room doesn't know what

29:25

we are, That's very confusing. Yeah. Yeah. We're a

29:27

podcast for blocked and reported. You can go to

29:29

blocked and reported dot org to check us

29:31

out. You can become

29:31

a promo Mhmm. That's ballsy for

29:34

us. Can they pay to see us? Or, like, give us

29:36

more money. Are

29:38

we better than Andrew Tate honestly?

29:40

No. Definitely not.

29:43

Definitely not,

29:43

Richard. Check us out on Reddit and so

29:45

forth. Doctor Jorge podcast at

29:47

gmail dot com. Is

29:48

that First person who sent me oh, wait. Did

29:50

it WiFi down here? No. No.

29:52

If anyone I had signal. First person who

29:54

sends me an email from the show, Six

29:56

months free. No. It's like the climbing. No.

29:58

It's twenty four fucking dollars.

29:59

Okay. It's smooth. Who

30:02

ain't the shoe here?

30:02

What

30:04

is it? What

30:06

is that? Like, you gotta send something,

30:08

just an email. An

30:10

email? check.

30:12

a metered haiku about the experience of being

30:15

in this room with us tonight.

30:16

Okay. Now we have to switch seats. Give us

30:18

a second. Is there any way

30:19

to do this not awkwardly? No. You go in

30:21

the wanna do a quick hug as we've had. No.

30:23

Don't touch me.

30:24

Alright.

30:33

Let

30:35

me adjust the mic

30:38

since the giant is off

30:39

the stage. He has

30:41

an endocrine disorder.

30:42

Okay. That

30:45

was private. Alright.

30:48

Now

30:50

we have another tale

30:53

about versions, version

30:56

fest. New Yorkers love nine eleven

30:58

jokes, by the way. The

31:00

other nine eleven. Okay.

31:03

Yes, we're going to talk about

31:05

Virgin Fast. This was not actually

31:07

the theme of Jesse's last

31:10

birthday.

31:11

But

31:12

before we get to that, first, you need

31:14

to know some background on a musical

31:17

genre called Incell

31:19

Core. which is, of course, derived from

31:21

the edge lord subspecies known

31:23

as the in cell. Now

31:25

considering that we are in a room full of people

31:28

who paid paid money

31:30

to see a podcast live. I

31:32

assume that most of you are intimately

31:34

familiar with the incel

31:37

But, Jesse, why don't you just give us a little primer

31:39

in case anybody stumbled in

31:40

here? Why am I the Intel expert? I don't

31:42

Great question. Yeah. Intel is

31:44

a a involuntary celebrate. It's a

31:46

young man who can't have sex

31:48

and wants to. And it started as like

31:50

a genuine support group for young

31:53

man. seeking advice and comfort, but

31:55

a segment of it has gotten really dark

31:57

and they sort of hate

31:59

women not

32:00

the normal hating Katie, kind

32:01

of hating women, but, like, dark,

32:04

unjustified stuff. Okay.

32:05

That's about right. But

32:07

just so we can get a visual image, I've got a photo of

32:09

one -- Oh, cool. --

32:10

right here. Another

32:13

photo of Jesse looking stupid. Alright. As you

32:15

can see, the in cell is

32:17

hairy, uncamps, and wears noise

32:19

cancelling headphones to keep the sound of

32:21

women's voices out of his

32:23

ears. I will say in my defense

32:25

that photo was taken as I was googling

32:27

how to have sex. Yeah.

32:29

That's a problem. You

32:30

gotta bing it. You can't Google it. You gotta

32:33

bing it. Okay. So that's an

32:35

Incell. But Incell Core as

32:37

a musical genre began with a

32:39

guy who goes by the name negative

32:41

XP, AKH school shooter,

32:43

KKA school shooter.

32:46

Yeah. Pictured here wearing the

32:48

official insole uniform,

32:50

a t shirt that says Encel

32:52

Lives Matter. Negative

32:54

XP's government name is Allen

32:56

Kim. He's a Georgia based home

32:59

studio musician. who has been creating

33:01

simple lo fi punk songs

33:03

about nostalgia, alienation, other

33:05

sad boy topics since around twenty

33:08

nineteen. He wants a girlfriend. He can't get a girlfriend. He

33:10

loves women. He hates women. And

33:12

museum. His most popular song is

33:14

called Scott Pilgrim versus the world ruined a

33:16

whole generation of women. and

33:18

let's check out a

33:21

little bit from a fan

33:23

creative mute oh, fuck.

33:25

music video here. I've never had

33:27

a job. I don't know how to run a PowerPoint.

33:30

Oh,

33:32

Jesus.

33:33

Oh, Jesus. It's

33:36

really good. Just wait for

33:38

it.

33:38

Not that.

33:50

see. You can see with yourself,

33:52

Steve. She's a teenage dream.

33:54

If you hate yourself.

33:57

My right

33:59

hand about this closed things

34:01

communist. And,

34:02

mister Wade, go Jesus.

34:06

Okay. That's

34:09

probably

34:11

enough for that. Jesse actually

34:13

made us listen

34:14

to that song twice on the record

34:16

of Austin because he likes it.

34:19

No. No. there's

34:22

lyrics

34:22

I disagree with, such

34:24

as she's a horror, a whole,

34:26

a dime a dozen jezebel.

34:29

The

34:29

sound is pretty good. If you replace

34:31

the lyrics with something about going

34:33

to synagogue or

34:36

how awesome America is. That would be good music. Okay.

34:40

We he's

34:40

been kicked off of Twitter, but we

34:44

have Wait.

34:44

You're saying school shooter got kicked off of Twitter. It's shocking. It's

34:46

shocking. That doesn't seem justified. They

34:50

really

34:50

they don't enforce these

34:52

rules Well More cancel

34:54

culture. Elon comes takes over Twitter. We'll

34:56

bring on that.

34:57

Elon just gets you. There's a school shooter.

34:59

Welcome back and forth. Yeah.

35:00

Donald Trump and school shooter. Okay. So

35:02

he has been kicked off a Twitter, but we have

35:04

a screenshot of one of his

35:08

old tweets. just so you can get sort of the ethos here.

35:10

It reads one time this girl on Tinder

35:12

unmatched me because I commented on her

35:14

ironic Hitler quote with a little too

35:16

much enthusiasm. honestly,

35:18

has happened to all of us. And the the question is this

35:20

man an actual Nazi? It's a good

35:23

question. If you

35:23

take him at his word

35:25

or his music, is

35:28

yes.

35:28

Here are a few lyrics

35:30

from his hit song, I'm

35:33

a Nazi. they

35:36

read, yeah, well, I'm a Nazi, and I hate

35:38

the things you do. And frankly, you

35:41

can suck me if this

35:43

applies to you. I

35:45

don't

35:45

care what you think. I don't care what you

35:48

say because all the things

35:49

you do are really

35:52

gay. You're gay.

35:54

You're gay.

35:54

how did he get

35:56

away with so directly plagiarizing Taylor

35:59

Swift? I know.

36:01

I know.

36:02

Okay. Would negative XP

36:06

actually condone mass murder. Hard to

36:08

tell. He does use

36:10

Nazi associated iconography in his

36:12

album art, but it's hard to

36:14

tell because he's an edge lord and edge lord's freak people out is

36:16

what they do. I think you're being

36:17

too harsh on negative XP AKA

36:22

school shooter. No. I do

36:24

think there's this thing where in these

36:26

subcultures. Like, the only imperative is to

36:28

trigger the normies and to say things that are

36:30

as transgressive as possible. So I

36:32

thing is like, I'm a Nazi. It's like he's it's

36:34

a version of it's childish, but he's like,

36:36

oh, you're gonna call me a Nazi. Okay. I'm a

36:38

Nazi. Like, I don't I don't think our

36:40

little Asian soy boy here

36:42

is gonna actually

36:42

is a Nazi. I mean, he's no Kanye

36:44

West. He's no Kanye West. Okay.

36:47

But regardless of his politics, he's he's become somewhat of a hero

36:49

to a a set of of disaffected

36:51

young men, including a number of

36:53

actual incels and

36:56

ironic in cells, and he basically built as

36:58

a genre. And you may assume that IncellCore

37:00

is mostly loser email punk like

37:02

the shit that Jesse listens to.

37:06

gather kids. But there's

37:08

actually it's pretty diverse. So there are

37:10

folk in soul core bands, hip hop in

37:12

soul core bands, pop in soul core bands,

37:15

metal in cell core bands, etcetera. Is

37:17

there klezmer in cell core?

37:20

Like, I want a

37:22

girlfriend. I want

37:24

a girlfriend.

37:24

Yeah. They play that at your Barbitsa.

37:27

Okay. So what all

37:29

these

37:29

forms of music have in

37:31

common is that it's thematic

37:34

and the themes that they return to are

37:36

that women are bitches. In

37:38

so core artists are often accused of

37:40

being white

37:42

supremacist. although a number of them including negative XPAK School

37:44

shooter are not actually white, although

37:46

he's Asian. So White adjacent.

37:50

Yeah. There's also a surprising number of women in the

37:52

scene, although they tend to be

37:54

fans rather than performers themselves. I

37:55

no matter how many times we rehearse this.

37:58

This idea of a guy who up

38:00

with a guitar and he's like, I'm a

38:02

loser. No one loves me. I've never had

38:04

sex. The girl in the audience is like,

38:06

I want that. I am

38:08

so into that. Yeah. I

38:09

mean, it'd be like, you know, you'd have your pick

38:11

as a litter. Right? It'd be being like the the

38:13

only girl at MIT.

38:14

republican

38:17

Okay. So Encelcor has

38:20

grown into a legitimate, the

38:22

relatively small phenomenon in the last

38:24

few years. and in mid-twenty twenty one, an in cell core

38:26

fan and two artists in Atlanta

38:28

named BRAVEN, had an idea.

38:30

What if this weird

38:32

Internet community could go be on the

38:34

Internet and actually meet up in

38:36

person. Horrible

38:36

idea. I know. So after

38:38

getting permission from her employer to use

38:40

the tattoo shop as a venue, She

38:43

began contacting artists, drawing up

38:46

posters, basically organizing and

38:48

in cell and cell core

38:50

music festival, the title, VirginFest. The

38:52

date, the edgiest one around September

38:54

eleven, twenty twenty one.

38:56

It's

38:56

fitting because they wanted to attempt to

38:58

just draw the twin towers

39:00

of desperation and loneliness. Yeah.

39:02

They were waging jihad against

39:04

not getting laid. Okay. here's

39:07

the first flyer that she produced. I can imagine

39:09

people getting that tattooed on their

39:11

bodies. Okay. So Raven

39:13

had the venue she got all

39:15

these bands to agree to play and some far right

39:18

e celebrities were gonna show up

39:20

and negative XP was gonna headline and

39:22

it was going to be

39:24

great. Right? It was just like this

39:26

show tonight, a gathering of like minded people doing their embarrassing hobbies

39:28

together in public. But

39:31

then almost immediately, things

39:33

begin to fall apart.

39:34

It's very surprising that a

39:36

group that

39:37

brags about its, like, social dysfunction could

39:39

not put together a social gathering. Yeah.

39:41

Surprised of that outcome. First

39:43

negative XP said on Twitter that he didn't know anything about

39:45

it, tweeting. I literally don't know what

39:47

this version vesting is, and I never

39:49

agreed to anything in I

39:51

think they're just using the negative XP name for

39:54

promotion. They're just using the

39:55

good publicity that surround school shooter

39:57

to try to benefit. Then

40:00

other

40:00

bands started announcing that they were out

40:02

to soda boy dropped out? No. Not soda

40:04

boy. And then,

40:05

fried by fluoride couldn't attend because

40:07

he allegedly suffered a mental

40:09

breakdown down. Because he was so

40:10

upset, soda boy dropped out. Yeah.

40:11

Probably. After that, thirteenth

40:14

century cowboy, best known for his sit

40:16

single Marcus

40:18

Aurelius, vanishes from the Internet overnight. Rumor has

40:20

it. He was docked by Antifa

40:22

and decided to retire completely

40:25

from public life. Then

40:26

after that, knee dropped out because cowboy was out, etcetera. So

40:29

eventually nearly half the original

40:31

lineup drops out, but Raven

40:34

pivots. She makes new posters reflecting the updated lineup. There's

40:36

still got bands coming. They've got the

40:38

venue. They've got t shirts that say, I

40:40

lost my virginity at Virgin Fast.

40:44

And even if those first

40:45

losers don't show up, there are plenty of

40:47

other losers who will. The show

40:50

must go on.

40:52

Right? Well, Not if

40:54

Antifa has anything to do with

40:56

it. Jesse, you wanna give us a little primer on

40:58

Antifa?

40:59

Antifa. is like a

41:01

loosely organized group of sales around the country, and they fight fascist

41:03

in the street wherever fascist

41:06

may arise. And

41:08

who do they know who's the fastest?

41:10

The fact that you would even ask that question

41:12

suggest I should call antifa on you.

41:14

Yeah. That's sort of the problem is, like, n chief is definite. They do

41:16

sometimes confront actual fascists. They also

41:18

have a tendency to call a

41:22

lot of different people fashish and then put on masks and punch them and stuff. Including all

41:24

of you. All of you. All of you are

41:26

a fascist. They're waiting outside. Yeah.

41:28

Okay.

41:30

So what started as this very niche event,

41:32

niche. It's not niche. I don't wanna

41:34

get your comments. No. This is the word her

41:36

word. They always complain about that. had,

41:39

at this point, only attracted attention from

41:42

within the subculture, but

41:44

Atlanta and Tifa had been monitoring their

41:46

social media accounts in the day of

41:48

the event. they

41:49

start posting.

41:50

First, they tweet heads

41:53

up tonight at Tawke tattoo

41:55

on McDonough Boulevard in Atlanta far right

41:57

edge sword hipsters are holding virgin vests. The

41:59

headliner negative XP is a massogenous

42:02

POS that's a piece

42:04

of shit. whose language

42:06

-- Yeah. --

42:07

whose best known song is about

42:09

a horror, a whole. Many of

42:11

his followers are racist gripers

42:13

who will likely attend. Remind everyone

42:15

what a griper is? It's a

42:17

relative of an insult, I would

42:19

say, like, a far right also

42:21

can't get laid, very conservative politics

42:23

usually operate around under pseudonyms.

42:25

They have like a pepe,

42:27

the frogfish. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. You

42:29

can go back and listen

42:30

to There's a small subset of people here who

42:32

don't yeah. Like group gripeers are new to you.

42:34

I'm sorry about that. Yeah. I'm sorry you now know

42:36

what a gripeer is. Or entertain for that

42:38

matter. Okay.

42:40

So

42:40

Raven, the organizer of the

42:42

festival, tries to quash the brewing drama.

42:45

She dm's Atlanta and

42:47

tifa and said, can you please delete your tweet about

42:49

Virgin Fast? We are not associated with the

42:52

grippers. At all, this is simply a

42:54

fun show we are throwing and none

42:56

of us are for our right

42:58

question mark. Question mark. I don't know why you see who

43:00

can't use punctuation.

43:00

That's a zoomer thing. Like, putting question marks

43:02

where they don't belong. I hate that.

43:04

Yeah. Atlanta Antifa, however, is not swayed by

43:06

her protest, and they continue posting about

43:08

the festival and the alleged Nazi's misogynist

43:10

and grippers who will be attending.

43:14

They publish her full name and accuse her of following

43:16

far right accounts. They connect Virgin

43:18

Fests to the mass shooting at three Atlanta

43:20

spas that killed eight people and

43:23

in typical never explicitly tell their

43:25

followers to go out and intimidate the

43:27

tattoo parlor into canceling

43:30

the show. they just post the

43:32

address over and over again while

43:34

claiming that the people going are literal Nazis.

43:36

Right. Will

43:36

no one rid me of these meddlesome

43:40

virgins. Yeah.

43:40

as as Shakespeare said, so

43:42

the afternoon of the show, rumors start

43:44

circulating about bomb threats at the

43:47

tax two shop, and then just hours before the show is supposed

43:49

to begin the tattoo shops as they're pulling

43:52

out. Raven announces this

43:54

on Instagram saying, yo, Virgin

43:56

fest is not being held a Tokyo

43:58

tattoo. Sorry if I offended or gave the wrong

43:59

ideas out. I did not know the extent of

44:02

the situation. I do not support

44:04

violence or extreme views sorry. Love you.

44:06

Be safe, everyone. This

44:08

however is not enough for

44:10

Antifa, which demands that Raymond

44:12

also get fired from

44:14

her job Writing on Twitter, sorry if I offended

44:16

is not great framing. The

44:18

tattoo shop has said nothing about its

44:20

continued employment of the

44:22

fast organizer.

44:23

organizer do

44:24

you think like, so whoever operates account, do they

44:26

think they're fighting fascism by making

44:28

sure that tattoo girl gets fired

44:32

yeah, that's exactly why my grandfather went to Europe

44:34

to liberate your people and

44:36

to rid the world of problematic tattoo

44:40

artists.

44:40

Katie, I think everyone here knows your grandfather fought on the other side

44:42

of that conflict. If

44:46

he weren't dead,

44:46

he would kick your ass for that.

44:49

I he would because he kept

44:52

Jewish.

44:54

again

44:56

Okay.

44:57

So the bands

44:59

were there, the people

45:00

have traveled from Faraway, and

45:03

then

45:03

Raven shows some

45:06

startup initiative and immediately pivots oh, wait. I missed

45:08

something. Sorry, folks. Okay. So

45:10

despite the

45:10

announcement, attendees began showing up

45:12

only to the statue drop only

45:15

to find out that the doors of the venue are locked.

45:17

I'm

45:17

imagining they're gathered there. They want to bang on the door

45:19

and outrage, but their puny little arms are

45:21

too weak to, like,

45:24

Yeah. It's, like, a t rex cell t rex in cell t

45:25

rex? Yeah. Okay. Where are their t rex in

45:28

cells? Do they wanna I'm

45:30

sure. It's in

45:31

it's in one of the storyline to the New

45:33

Jurassic Park. Oh, my

45:35

God. He gets, like, radicalized, not

45:37

wide. Yeah. Absolutely.

45:40

Okay. So the bands are They sound

45:42

very

45:42

distracted by that. That would be so good. Some

45:44

people have traveled from far away

45:46

and they show some real initiative by

45:48

immediately pivoting to a new venue just four minutes away.

45:50

The new spot is in the woods

45:52

of a nearby park. And since they don't

45:56

have electricity, for things like amps. They're going to do version

45:58

best unplugged. Here's a

45:59

clip. This is from the

46:02

Nazi adjacent

46:04

event. Nazi adjacent.

46:06

Were that Antifa tried to

46:09

cancel? He

46:11

is

46:11

watching me go

46:13

to my room.

46:15

day life my hair, my face,

46:17

and all my

46:20

tail. Please don't worry about me. Let me

46:22

know who I am. Sticking

46:26

if

46:29

you know what.

46:32

Okay. Actually,

46:36

this is

46:39

so

46:40

wholesome.

46:42

Yeah. It's nice. Like, he's singing about these. I guess, I like now.

46:44

It seems it seems

46:48

fun. And

46:48

Like any good show,

46:51

there's some dancing.

46:54

one

46:55

Jesse,

47:06

is that some kind of Jewish breakdancing?

47:08

Yeah. So in

47:09

the old country, if the

47:11

beet harvest was bountiful,

47:14

and only half the village died in the cold, that's the dance you

47:16

would do to celebrate. Yeah.

47:19

Okay. So Viebs are

47:22

high. Negative XP actually did show up in

47:24

playset, although he did it in a

47:26

disguise. For some reason, here's a photo of

47:28

him in Raven,

47:30

cute couple. Yeah.

47:31

It's it's terrifying. It's a they're wanted on

47:33

charges of racism and

47:36

being virgins.

47:37

and shoplifting from several

47:39

costs. Shoplifting from several costs. Okay.

47:40

And TPA meanwhile

47:42

has been following this all

47:44

online. which is easy to do because

47:46

somebody is live streaming it. So and

47:48

Tiva live streams the whole thing. They're taking

47:50

screenshots and posting photos of the

47:53

people there. And then a lone protester actually does

47:55

show up. We have some of

47:57

that footage here.

48:04

oh

48:16

no

48:36

He he didn't get the memo about

48:40

the antifa outfit though. He's like a surgical mask. He

48:42

needs to be wearing a Balaklava and a the

48:45

shirt with Andy knows face

48:46

on it. Yeah.

48:48

Okay. Even that brave soul and the surgical mask flipping off, Virgin Fast

48:50

cannot shut this thing down. So

48:52

then, Antiva does something that might seem

48:54

a little out of character for this

48:58

kinda group, they call the police.

49:01

In their in

49:02

their defense. On the one

49:04

the want head hand, being anti

49:06

copy is central to the antifa identity. On the other hand,

49:09

when you face a threat,

49:11

this dangerous imminent,

49:14

you know, you need to mortgage your

49:16

principal sometimes. Yeah.

49:17

And of course, Antifa did not

49:20

claim credit. for calling the

49:22

police on the virgin fest in the

49:24

woods. I like to think it looks someone like

49:26

someone like this. And yet another

49:28

photo

49:28

of Jesse looking stupid. Composite sketch.

49:30

Yeah. Okay.

49:30

So whoever did call the cops, probably assume that they

49:32

were gonna, you know, shut this thing down, but

49:35

that's not actually what happened. Instead,

49:38

the cops arrive. They see this peaceful little

49:41

unpurmitted acoustic music festival in the

49:43

woods. And instead of shutting it down,

49:45

they decide to

49:48

join in. Here's a

49:49

clip of what

49:50

a clip of

49:51

happened next.

50:07

Alright. That's

50:14

probably enough

50:15

of that. Okay. So

50:18

this

50:18

all leads to the

50:20

best photo

50:21

Wait. Wait. Wait. Reset that for

50:23

one minute. And Tifa calls the

50:25

cops on the insels. The

50:27

cops arrive five minutes later,

50:29

they're dancing with a crowd chanting. We

50:31

love cops. I have that

50:33

correct. Right? You have that correct. That is

50:36

indeed what happened. And

50:37

this leads to the greatest photo of the

50:39

night, which I think this really shows the

50:41

diversity of Encelcor, a black cob, a

50:43

white cob, and an Asian guy wearing a t shirt that says

50:45

I lost my virginity at Burger King. I

50:47

have I have so many thoughts about this. I'm

50:50

secure enough to say first of all that is a

50:52

bona fide

50:54

hot comp on the left. Do you think I think he's actually a stripper.

50:56

That is a stripper comp. They

50:58

they called

50:59

the wrong number.

51:01

Also,

51:04

the the concept of a virgin

51:06

has been so sort of there's, like,

51:08

version inflation. Like, kid in the middle doesn't look like a virgin. Like, that's

51:10

not what it looks like. because you can tell from what

51:12

people look like. Yeah. Exactly.

51:14

They're usually wearing their

51:15

podcast feature. It's

51:17

Exactly. Okay,

51:18

Jesse, so this may have

51:21

been a story about a failed attempt to

51:23

cyber bully a bunch of weirdos,

51:25

but alas, there is sad

51:27

post scripts. Antifa may

51:28

not have gotten working vets

51:31

canceled, but a few days after

51:33

the event,

51:33

the tattoo shop announced that Raven

51:35

had been fired.

51:37

That's unfair. Her only crime

51:39

was terrible taste in men and

51:41

music. Yep. So

51:42

a go fund me was set up

51:44

to help ravin out. Unfortunately, It

51:46

only raised sixteen hundred dollars. But since we here

51:48

in Black, her imported support canceled artist,

51:51

I got you something from

51:53

her online store.

51:55

I didn't lose my virginity at

51:57

Virgin Pass

51:58

with the

51:59

band including negative

52:02

XP on the back. Thank you, Katie.

52:04

Maybe

52:04

next year, Jesse.

52:06

Maybe next year. Yeah. Put it on.

52:14

Can

52:14

you, like, come out as an insult later in life? I

52:17

have an announcement. Adult onset.

52:19

Adult onset.

52:19

Adult onset.

52:21

in a lefri. Thank

52:23

you for the

52:23

shirt, Katie. Thank you for the heartwarming

52:26

story. Do you have anything else to say about

52:28

Virgin? Only that I

52:28

look forward to having seventy two of

52:31

them in heaven. For there's

52:34

probably

52:34

a few of you who are

52:36

less familiar with the show. Bar podcast Canon is

52:38

that Katie is Muslim. I don't even remember

52:40

where that came from. I don't remember.

52:42

Yeah. Okay. So we have to wrap up a couple

52:44

of quick things. One is thank you guys

52:48

so

52:48

much. This has changed our life.

52:50

It's crazy that we get to do this. It's just a competition. Thank you so much for

52:52

coming.

52:57

I

52:57

wanna say thank you to Katie

52:59

who is a wonderful co host and a great

53:01

friend and a mediocre business partner.

53:03

We're so bad

53:04

at it. So bad. A

53:06

lot of this show was put together by two of our

53:08

producers. I forgot what names were

53:10

using. Tracy Tracy what Grain

53:11

because they won't use they won't let us use their real names.

53:13

I don't know why lacks. We'll

53:14

give her their Social Security numbers too. And

53:17

our designer shade Yeah. Our designer

53:19

shade in all these slides were her. I wanna

53:21

thank my friends who

53:24

came One other thing, just to add on a sad note, some of you know my

53:26

mom died a year and a half ago, Sydney Altman. She

53:28

grew up a couple miles east of here in

53:30

the countryside. A lot of my half of this

53:34

case half of the show is whatever weird shit is

53:35

going on in her broken brain. Yeah. A lot of

53:38

my show does

53:38

come from, like, my mom's sense of

53:40

cynicism and skepticism and and

53:43

questioning authority. So I miss

53:45

her a lot, and and she's in every episode.

53:47

And I'm glad I get to do this, and I wish she

53:49

was here. She's watching down on you. She's

53:51

not really. Thank you guys so

53:54

much. This is

53:55

incredible. Thank

53:58

you guys. Alright.