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Jesse. Katie, you're in a little bit of trouble.

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What I do? A lot of our listeners did

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not like the way that you criticized

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my role model in favor of Jason,

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Elon, j

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let's go with j Musk. I

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am shocked, Jesse. I had no idea that was gonna

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happen. I thought everybody with me. No. This is

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very predictable. I knew that people were gonna be

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disagree with me and get mad at me and I figured

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we'd probably lose some subscribers over

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my red hot take that

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Elon Musk is not actually a demigod,

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but I it's not that don't

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care. It's that I

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think it would be unethical

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of me to

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ignore stories or

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lie about how I feel or

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otherwise obfuscate. My feeling is about

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something just because I

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want to avoid angering people. What

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do you think about that?

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I feel completely differently. I think we should do whatever

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Maximal. Our profit, we should do a

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five part series on Elon Musk and how

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great he is.

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You want more audience capture? Yeah.

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Every time I've tweeted about Elon Musk, I've

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lost followers. I'm down like a thousand followers

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since Elon Musk took over. Probably some of that is people

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leaving the bloodworm, but I think a big part of it Is

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that somehow my Elon Musk tweets are

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even less popular than my cutie tweets?

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I guess I feel little bit naive.

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I mean, I knew he had some strong fanboys.

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I was surprised that

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our listeners. As of when we're recording this,

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the episode isn't even public yet. But in our

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closed comments section, yeah, a lot of

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people are mad at you and and a

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lot of it just it's

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like, do do we need to be business

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experts to be qualified

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to say that his tweeting throughout this has been very

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stupid? and not businessmen like, but he

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really did just come in like a a steamroller

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and just like start doing stuff and tweeting stuff

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without much forethought. So don't know. that

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does appear to be the case. I hate I hate siding

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with you any I I my

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default position is anytime there's like a mob of

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online people angrid. You're there probably in

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the right, but in in this case, I'm a

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little bit torn on

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it. III will say one thing.

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I forgot to point out one

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crucial detail. when we're talking about

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the verification system. If

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Elon Musk does with legacy

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checkmarks, there

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will come a time when

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the only people with the blue track

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mark are people who who

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use the term blue track mark as an

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insult. Isn't that kinda great? Well,

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they don't use blue check, my they use blue check

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as an intel. But, yes, that would be an amazing -- Blue check.

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Okay. Yes. -- fitting ending to all this. I

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hope that happens.

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Yeah. This whole takeover very much feels to

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me like revenge of the reply guys?

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The reply guys will always win in

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the end. Also, I I think I

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forgot to mention in the

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part of the episode where we talked about Molloy

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Vasquez. That Molloy also Parker

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Molloy also got suspended

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from that instance, which is an important thing that I

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forgot. So

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Yeah. Oh, wow. So I haven't

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been really paying attention to the comments. Is there

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anything that's, like, that we actually need to address?

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Or is it just people mad at me because

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I criticize Elon

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Musk. I think one person said

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that you well, I don't know if they said you

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got it wrong or they disagreed with your take. Basically,

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you're like, he's in favor of free speech, but he

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banned or sued someone from

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purse am I mixing up the impersonation and

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the lawsuit? You said he sued someone he

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tried to get an anonymous blogger fired for

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criticizing Tesla.

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Okay. This was not the person who in person here?

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No. No. This was a blogger criticizing Tesla.

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And

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he just tried to get them fired. That's the start of the end of

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the story.

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Yeah. I mean, that doesn't have anything to do with. This like,

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way before he took over Twitter. Yeah. Banning

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accounts from impersonating people. I don't think you're

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against that anyway.

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It depends. I mean, if it's a parody

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account, like, I it depends.

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Yeah. I mean, he said that you have if, like, he'll

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allow if it has parody in the

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and the, like, the the handle or whatever or the

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name. The Supreme Court ruled at some point in

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a lawsuit against the onion that you can't

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force you can't force comics

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to announce that their comedy, like,

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parody is protected. But I guess that's complicated.

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I mean, III do think that parody accounts

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should be allowed. Do you? yeah.

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Totally. I mean, I I there's there's a lot.

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Like, the whole his fuck up with the verified

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thing complicated that. because somebody

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count this as Eli Lilly or something

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close to his verified. You can't do that. But yeah.

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Of course. Of course, parity. Account should

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be allowed. I

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did see one comment that I

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found interesting that was, like, basically,

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Katie, you don't understand that people really

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view him. Like, you just you generally don't understand

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that people do view him as this sort of like

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heroic figure. That's completely

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correct. and that he has

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these grand designs for humanity

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that are bigger and that's why

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people adore him. Personally,

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I find the idea of colonizing

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Mars to be pretty fucking

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stupid. I don't know. I think we've had a pretty good planet down here.

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What do you think? Should we colonize Mars?

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I mean, I find a lot of

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I

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think at heart, I'm

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like a transhumanist and I'd like us to be able

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to transcend our earthly bodies. I don't think it's gonna

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happen soon or that we should bet

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on it and the -- Why? -- planetary

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call why why?

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Why?

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Why should we get rid of human

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beings? Yeah.

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I get rid of you. Have you

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seen what happened? Have I seen yours? Okay.

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No. I got it. Did you

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see my body?

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Didn't you eat nachos? I mean, did

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you see what Keep up that was, like, That's a

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good point. Yeah. We did not do well in my talk.

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Yes. The planetary colonization

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thing as a way to resolve

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He's a colonizer. Now I

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get it. A

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a settler columnist. The

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Occupier A South African colonist. Occupier

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territory. of Mars. No. I find I

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find the idea that we can rely on that to, like, save

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humanity very silly because

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we need to get our shit together. We're not

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we're not, like, that won't like to eventually be able

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to colonize other planets, but that's we need to

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have a stable enough Earth to be

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able to actually do that.

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Earth is a very good planet

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for

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humans. I think it's not but it's increasingly

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not because we're ruining it. Have you

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heard of that about that? Okay. Still

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the

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temperature rise ten degrees,

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and it's still going to be a more habitable

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habitable planet than Mars.

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Like, there's no fucking question. Mars

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is the closest second and Mars like

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fucking suck. I mean Mars is cool but it sucks in

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terms of like having

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If everybody's going to Mars, I'm staying

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behind. No. Thank you.

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what if it's just you and Elon Musk on Mars?

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How would you feel about that?

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Why? I don't wanna go to Mars period.

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He can just go to Mars. That's fun. I

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think the only other thing we

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didn't maybe didn't explain clearly enough

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was we were not saying

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Alex Jones should come back or at least I

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wasn't. We were saying he's in consistent and

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seems to be making these decisions based on his own

6:44

personal trauma stuff. Right. Exactly.

6:46

I mean, you don't think I I personally do

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not think Alexion should come back to Twitter.

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He is telling the brave

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truths about frogs, turning

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gay, Jesse, where else are we gonna get this information?

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That's true.

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Actually, I might disagree with

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you about that. Just I don't think

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people should be kicked off of platforms

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for stuff that they did on

7:05

another platform, which I think it's the

7:07

case here. So if he didn't actually

7:09

violate Twitter's terms of service,

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I don't see why he was kicked off in the

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first place. or why he shouldn't be

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allowed back in. I mean, he's

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obviously a huge shitbag, but

7:21

the US legal system did a pretty

7:23

thorough job penalizing him for

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what he said about Sandy Hook. I mean, I I think

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he's been ordered to pay, like, one and a half billion

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dollars since the victim's families.

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So it's not like he is just

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defaming people without consequences.

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He's

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paying for it literally. I know. Yeah. I view

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Jones as one of those guys who because of the Sandy Hook

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stuff is just so beyond the pale. Like, just

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think if you're Twitter, you'd why would you wanna deal with that?

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Ali Jones had a million opportunities to

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not be

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a fucking liar and yeah.

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Anyway, Okay. Anything

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else on papa musk?

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I apologize. I will

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do better.

7:56

What do

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you apologize? Tell me exactly what you're I'm not letting

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you get away with that. I've seen too many of these. What do you

8:02

apologize for exactly? I

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apologize for the harm that I did. I

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know. But what was that harm?

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I committed violence. Again,

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Sue.

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Elon Musk.

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All women. To

8:12

be serious for a second here,

8:15

people are gonna disagree with me, and I think

8:17

that's totally fine. I think people expect that

8:19

when they listen to this show. This show is a lot

8:21

of opinion. I know

8:23

that a lot of our listeners disagree with

8:25

me about this, and that's totally

8:27

fine. And if people are so

8:29

upset that they wanna leave the Patreon,

8:31

I'm totally fine with that. We don't have

8:33

Patreon, so much of it. Yeah. Just

8:35

leave it in Patreon. No. If they don't want

8:37

to subscribe because they disagree with me, that

8:39

is totally fine. I honestly I

8:41

really want this to be a community of people

8:43

who can handle

8:45

disagreements. I really do. I mean, like, I don't

8:47

wanna there was, like, That's important. I

8:49

don't know. I got an email from somebody who

8:51

is complaining because there's apparently somebody

8:53

in the comment section who's just like spamming

8:55

it and I haven't looked at it.

8:56

I saw that. There was one don't wanna name them, but

8:58

they just they they posted over and over and over. I

9:01

was gonna email them and tell them to knock it off, which I I

9:03

rarely do. But like, yes, this person was

9:05

spamming in the comments.

9:05

Yeah. And I don't think we should, like,

9:08

ban people for that, I guess. But I want this

9:10

-- No. -- awarding for sure. Yeah. I want this to be a

9:12

community where people can have robust

9:14

disagreements, including disagreements with us.

9:15

Yeah. This idea of, like

9:18

I don't know. Sometimes it's well,

9:20

no one threatened to leave, but I I'm totally with you.

9:22

Like, if if we do a take beyond the pale

9:24

for you.

9:25

If that take is Elon Musk is

9:27

a bad boss. Yeah.

9:28

I know. Of all, like, after

9:31

your years of Holocaust and I and

9:33

other forms of anti Semitism. But then we We

9:35

have defended literal

9:37

pedophiles on the show. Literally

9:39

pedophiles. And, Noah Berlats. who's

9:41

only barely This sounds like a profile.

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Alright. Should we get to the main event? Let's do

9:46

it. It's a cheerful subject.

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Indeed. Let's go. Katie a couple

9:50

Saturday nights ago, a guy shot

9:52

up Club Q in Colorado

9:54

Springs. I heard about that. I just lost my

9:56

notes. Hold on. Picking them back up.

9:58

His name I have

10:00

now memorized it. It's Anderson Lee

10:03

Aldrich. Right? Mhmm. Are

10:05

you saying that? Are you sure. No. That's it. Yeah. It's

10:07

Anderson Lea Aldrich's twenty two year

10:09

old now facing five counts of first

10:11

degree murder and five counts of a bias

10:13

motivated crime causing bodily injury.

10:16

As is often the case on the show, we're gonna focus more

10:18

on the media coverage of the tragedy

10:20

than the fact that it was

10:22

tragic that's sort of our thing. I don't I don't think

10:24

we need to defend it at this point. Like,

10:26

does anyone actually think we don't think

10:28

it's tragic when people are murdered? I would hope

10:30

not.

10:30

I'm I think probably yes and people

10:33

think that. But yes, there's this

10:35

tendency after an

10:37

event like this. I think people feel like they need to

10:39

come out and say, you know, offer their

10:41

thoughts and prayers or just make it known

10:43

that they think that this is bad. I

10:45

don't do that in -- Yeah. --

10:47

basically any case because I

10:49

don't think it contributes anything to the conversation. Like,

10:51

oh, you're you're against this too.

10:53

You're against mass murder. Thanks

10:55

for telling us. Right.

10:56

it's not yeah. It's it's just it I mean, I'm

10:58

sure I have them at some point if I've, like, been really,

11:00

like, overwhelmed by something. But, like, yeah.

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And it's, like, I

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don't know. I hate to say it, but every weekend

11:07

more than five people get shot in certain like,

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it's just it it seems like what what

11:11

we do the thoughts and

11:13

prayers thing for versus don't is like

11:15

it's fraud. But anyway, so the

11:17

coverage of this has been really bad.

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And it's been bad in ways that

11:21

are, I think, pretty inexcusable

11:23

given some recent history. So,

11:25

I mean, Katie, if I ask you to

11:27

just run down Like, what what you

11:29

think mainstream journalist

11:31

MSNBC types are

11:33

saying about why Aldrich did what he did? What do you

11:35

think the current operating theory is?

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Libes of TikTok, Chris

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Ruffo, not Turks this time. I think

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Libes of TikTok has replaced Turks. It's not at

11:42

least one person, Blaine Rolling. Blaine Rolling. Blaine

11:45

Rolling. Yeah. he was a big Harry Potter

11:47

fan. Not in general, terfs are off

11:49

the hook, which is weird because they're responsible

11:51

for for most bad things in the world. Right.

11:52

But that's the I think that's the accepted

11:55

narrative is that not just lips of TikTok,

11:56

but

11:57

conservative politicians and then

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also Jesse Single. Yes. Definitely

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me. Yeah. So in this view, the the

12:04

shooting ties neatly in to this other national

12:06

story that's been percolating for a while, which

12:08

is an uptick

12:10

in inflammatory

12:12

right wing statements about LG

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D. LGBT PEOPLE

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SO THE GRUMER TALK ATTEMPS TO

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BANNED YOUTH GENDER MEDICINE. THE

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ENDLESS OBSEATION WITH THE DRY

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QUEEN'S story hour, all that stuff. Can

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we talk about that for a minute? Drag queen

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story hour?

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Yeah. Drag has has

12:30

become this absolute

12:31

hello boogeyman.