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Listen Now - Think Twice: Michael Jackson

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Hey listeners, I'm here to tell you about a new

0:02

podcast I think you'd like called Think

0:04

Twice, Michael Jackson, hosted by

0:07

me, Leon Nafok, and my colleague

0:09

Jay Smooth. Michael Jackson's music

0:11

united the world, but his legacy divides

0:14

it. Since Michael Jackson's death in 2009, the

0:17

world has struggled with how he should be remembered,

0:19

as the king of pop or as a monster.

0:22

Think Twice, Michael Jackson presents a

0:24

new account of the MJ story. In

0:27

this 10-part narrative series, we explore

0:29

the enigma of Michael Jackson's persona, exploring

0:32

the complexities that make him seemingly uncancellable.

0:35

Through dozens of original interviews with

0:37

people who watched the Michael Jackson story

0:39

unfold firsthand, Think Twice

0:41

offers a new perspective on the art and

0:44

the artist. From his extraordinary life

0:46

and groundbreaking music to the contentious legacy

0:48

he left behind, Think Twice examines

0:51

it all. I'm about to play a clip now from

0:53

Think Twice, Michael Jackson. While you're

0:55

listening, follow Think Twice wherever

0:57

you get your podcasts, or binge

0:59

all 10 episodes now, ad-free, on

1:02

Amazon Music or Audible.

1:04

The

1:12

comedian Dougie Doug was having a huge

1:15

year when he appeared as a presenter at

1:17

the NAACP Image Awards in

1:19

January of Doug

1:22

was just 23 years old.

1:24

One can argue I was at the height of my

1:27

career, because that's the reason why they invited

1:29

me. Who Runners had come out, it was a huge

1:32

global hit. I

1:34

played Sanka Coffee, the greatest

1:36

pushcart driver in all of Jamaica.

1:40

Doug's role at the ceremony was to give

1:42

out the award for Outstanding Female Artist,

1:45

which everyone knew was going to go to Whitney Houston

1:47

for the Bodyguard soundtrack. If this woman

1:49

wins, I'm gonna bow down and kiss her feet. Get to kissing

1:51

Whitney Houston! Doug

1:56

actually did kiss Whitney Houston's feet when

1:58

she came to the stage. and he was expecting

2:00

that to be the most surreal encounter he'd have

2:03

with a celebrity that night. Then

2:05

he realized, along with everyone else in

2:07

the audience, that someone even more

2:09

famous was in the building.

2:11

One of the greatest dancer choreographers

2:14

in history, the biggest-selling recording

2:17

artist in the world, the king

2:19

of pop, rock and soul, Mr.

2:21

Michael Jackson.

2:22

Michael

2:24

Jackson hadn't been seen in public in months. As he walked

2:27

onto the stage, smiling, with his hands behind his back, the

2:30

entire auditorium exploded in cheering

2:32

and applause. Only thing

2:34

comparable to it would have been, like, the Pope. Like...

2:40

And it was kind of a meta experience

2:43

because you're like, you're around people who you

2:45

think are big. And it was kind

2:47

of a meta experience because

2:50

you're like, you're around people and

2:54

you're just like, oh, wow, there's Papa Pa, there's Papa Pa. And

2:56

then Michael comes,

2:57

and then everybody's like, he's

2:59

big, he's really big. Dressed

3:04

in a white v-neck under a militaristic blazer with

3:06

big gold buttons, Michael waved in blue kisses as

3:09

the crowd began chanting his name. He

3:11

looked bashful like he couldn't believe

3:14

all the applause was for him. It

3:17

was just kind of like, oh, my God, it's Michael

3:19

Jackson. He was beyond

3:22

a person. And then we're talking about

3:24

among the biggest entertainers at

3:26

that time. You know, he's an anomaly, culturally,

3:29

racially, socially, you know,

3:32

musically. Doug had loved

3:34

Michael Jackson's music his entire life.

3:37

In some ways, he had formed his sense of his

3:39

own future based on Michael's success.

3:42

For a young black boy, he was like an avatar

3:44

for possibility, you know. If

3:46

he's as high as you can go, then you

3:49

can just go high.

3:50

For Doug, seeing Michael appear directly

3:53

in front of him at the NAACP Awards

3:55

felt like proof he had really made it.

3:58

I think for me, it was like... Never

4:00

in my life did I think that I would be

4:02

anywhere near this man. And I think a lot

4:04

of other people felt that way.

4:07

Like, I must be really successful, because I'm

4:09

like near Michael Jackson. As

4:13

the applause continued, a camera

4:15

zoomed across the crowd and swung past Doug,

4:18

who looked like he was in the middle of a full-blown

4:20

freak-out. Years later,

4:22

a short clip of Doug screaming and smiling

4:25

and bouncing up and down on his heels would

4:27

become a viral Internet meme meant to

4:29

indicate uncontrollable excitement. Most

4:32

people who share it probably have no idea

4:34

Doug was taking part in a minute-long

4:36

standing ovation for Michael Jackson. Thank

4:39

you for your

4:40

warm and generous support. I love you

4:42

very much. It

4:46

was a charged moment.

4:48

Michael wasn't even supposed to be at the Image

4:50

Awards.

4:51

He wasn't nominated for anything, and he

4:53

wasn't there to perform. But here he was,

4:56

on stage, and no one knew what was

4:58

going to happen next. Finally,

5:00

after getting his fill of applause, Michael

5:03

bent down toward the microphone and got

5:05

serious.

5:06

For decades, the NAACP

5:08

had stood at the forefront of the struggle

5:10

for equal justice under the law.

5:13

Members of the NAACP have been jailed

5:16

and even killed in the

5:18

noble pursuit of those ideals

5:20

upon which our country was founded. None

5:23

of these goals is more meaningful for me at

5:25

this time in my life than the

5:27

notion that everyone is presumed to

5:29

be innocent.

5:43

The Los Angeles Police Department initiated

5:47

a criminal investigation of entertainer

5:49

Michael Jackson. About

5:51

four months earlier, in August of 1993,

5:55

Michael Jackson had been accused of molesting

5:57

a 13-year-old child.

5:59

Michael had not been charged or arrested,

6:02

but it was still possible that he would be. Now,

6:05

he was calling on his audience to rally behind

6:08

him in the face of persecution, and

6:10

asking them to view him as a victim of injustice.

6:14

Everyone is presumed to be innocent and totally

6:16

innocent until they are charged with a crime

6:19

and then convicted by a jury of their peers.

6:22

A few years later, Michael's family was not allowed to be looking

6:25

out from behind the podium. Michael

6:27

addressed not only the famous black artists

6:29

and entertainment executives in the room with him, but

6:32

also the audience watching the NBC broadcast

6:34

of the show from home.

6:36

I never really took the time to

6:38

understand the importance of that ideal

6:40

until now, until I became

6:43

the victim of false allegations.

6:45

And

6:48

the willingness of others to believe and exploit

6:51

the worst before they have had the chance

6:53

to hear the truth.

6:56

Michael giggled at all the shouting, and when

6:58

someone broke through the noise with an, I love you, he replied

7:01

the way he often did, by saying, I love

7:03

you more. Then he brought a speech

7:06

in for a landing. Because

7:07

not only am I presumed to be innocent,

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I am innocent. Together

7:15

we will see this thing through,

7:19

and I'm very proud to be here. Listen

7:28

to Think Twice, Michael Jackson,

7:33

wherever you get your podcasts, or binge all 10 episodes ad free

7:35

on Amazon Music or Audible.

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