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Hey listeners, I'm here to tell you about a new
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podcast I think you'd like called Think
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Twice, Michael Jackson, hosted by
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me, Leon Nafok, and my colleague
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Jay Smooth. Michael Jackson's music
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united the world, but his legacy divides
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it. Since Michael Jackson's death in 2009, the
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world has struggled with how he should be remembered,
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as the king of pop or as a monster.
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Think Twice, Michael Jackson presents a
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new account of the MJ story. In
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this 10-part narrative series, we explore
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the enigma of Michael Jackson's persona, exploring
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the complexities that make him seemingly uncancellable.
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Through dozens of original interviews with
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people who watched the Michael Jackson story
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unfold firsthand, Think Twice
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offers a new perspective on the art and
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the artist. From his extraordinary life
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and groundbreaking music to the contentious legacy
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he left behind, Think Twice examines
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it all. I'm about to play a clip now from
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The
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comedian Dougie Doug was having a huge
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year when he appeared as a presenter at
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the NAACP Image Awards in
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January of Doug
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was just 23 years old.
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One can argue I was at the height of my
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career, because that's the reason why they invited
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me. Who Runners had come out, it was a huge
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global hit. I
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played Sanka Coffee, the greatest
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pushcart driver in all of Jamaica.
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Doug's role at the ceremony was to give
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out the award for Outstanding Female Artist,
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which everyone knew was going to go to Whitney Houston
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for the Bodyguard soundtrack. If this woman
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wins, I'm gonna bow down and kiss her feet. Get to kissing
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Whitney Houston! Doug
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actually did kiss Whitney Houston's feet when
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she came to the stage. and he was expecting
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that to be the most surreal encounter he'd have
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with a celebrity that night. Then
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he realized, along with everyone else in
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the audience, that someone even more
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famous was in the building.
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One of the greatest dancer choreographers
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in history, the biggest-selling recording
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artist in the world, the king
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of pop, rock and soul, Mr.
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Michael Jackson.
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Michael
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Jackson hadn't been seen in public in months. As he walked
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onto the stage, smiling, with his hands behind his back, the
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entire auditorium exploded in cheering
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and applause. Only thing
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comparable to it would have been, like, the Pope. Like...
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And it was kind of a meta experience
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because you're like, you're around people who you
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think are big. And it was kind
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of a meta experience because
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you're like, you're around people and
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you're just like, oh, wow, there's Papa Pa, there's Papa Pa. And
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then Michael comes,
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and then everybody's like, he's
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big, he's really big. Dressed
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in a white v-neck under a militaristic blazer with
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big gold buttons, Michael waved in blue kisses as
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the crowd began chanting his name. He
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looked bashful like he couldn't believe
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all the applause was for him. It
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was just kind of like, oh, my God, it's Michael
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Jackson. He was beyond
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a person. And then we're talking about
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among the biggest entertainers at
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that time. You know, he's an anomaly, culturally,
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racially, socially, you know,
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musically. Doug had loved
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Michael Jackson's music his entire life.
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In some ways, he had formed his sense of his
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own future based on Michael's success.
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For a young black boy, he was like an avatar
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for possibility, you know. If
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he's as high as you can go, then you
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can just go high.
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For Doug, seeing Michael appear directly
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in front of him at the NAACP Awards
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felt like proof he had really made it.
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I think for me, it was like... Never
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in my life did I think that I would be
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anywhere near this man. And I think a lot
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of other people felt that way.
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Like, I must be really successful, because I'm
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like near Michael Jackson. As
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the applause continued, a camera
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zoomed across the crowd and swung past Doug,
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who looked like he was in the middle of a full-blown
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freak-out. Years later,
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a short clip of Doug screaming and smiling
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and bouncing up and down on his heels would
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become a viral Internet meme meant to
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indicate uncontrollable excitement. Most
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people who share it probably have no idea
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Doug was taking part in a minute-long
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standing ovation for Michael Jackson. Thank
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you for your
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warm and generous support. I love you
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very much. It
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was a charged moment.
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Michael wasn't even supposed to be at the Image
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Awards.
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He wasn't nominated for anything, and he
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wasn't there to perform. But here he was,
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on stage, and no one knew what was
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going to happen next. Finally,
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after getting his fill of applause, Michael
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bent down toward the microphone and got
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serious.
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For decades, the NAACP
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had stood at the forefront of the struggle
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for equal justice under the law.
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Members of the NAACP have been jailed
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and even killed in the
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noble pursuit of those ideals
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upon which our country was founded. None
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of these goals is more meaningful for me at
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this time in my life than the
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notion that everyone is presumed to
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be innocent.
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The Los Angeles Police Department initiated
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a criminal investigation of entertainer
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Michael Jackson. About
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four months earlier, in August of 1993,
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Michael Jackson had been accused of molesting
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a 13-year-old child.
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Michael had not been charged or arrested,
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but it was still possible that he would be. Now,
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he was calling on his audience to rally behind
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him in the face of persecution, and
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asking them to view him as a victim of injustice.
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Everyone is presumed to be innocent and totally
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innocent until they are charged with a crime
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and then convicted by a jury of their peers.
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A few years later, Michael's family was not allowed to be looking
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out from behind the podium. Michael
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addressed not only the famous black artists
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and entertainment executives in the room with him, but
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also the audience watching the NBC broadcast
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of the show from home.
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I never really took the time to
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understand the importance of that ideal
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until now, until I became
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the victim of false allegations.
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And
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the willingness of others to believe and exploit
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the worst before they have had the chance
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to hear the truth.
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Michael giggled at all the shouting, and when
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someone broke through the noise with an, I love you, he replied
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the way he often did, by saying, I love
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you more. Then he brought a speech
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in for a landing. Because
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not only am I presumed to be innocent,
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I am innocent. Together
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we will see this thing through,
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and I'm very proud to be here. Listen
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to Think Twice, Michael Jackson,
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wherever you get your podcasts, or binge all 10 episodes ad free
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on Amazon Music or Audible.
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