The guys open the show discussing the VAN loss and who's the blame, Othmann's debut, the PHI trade and moreThen Scouting the Refs joins the Breakaway to discuss how he evaluates refs, are make upcalls real? What about the playoffs. We discuss the refs so often and Josh provides great insight into how it all works.Finally the guys come back and answer a few 5 star questions and nonsenseLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices