0:29

the house and a host of monsters among us but

0:31

cast their case with

0:33

me is always is david floor of blurry photos

0:35

but guest the loaded hey

0:38

what's going on and , langer

0:40

from saying this bike as they just just

0:43

, well this time

0:45

we have a doozy for you guys are this

0:47

time we sat down and watch the two thousand and eighteen

0:49

big and flick we

0:52

actually have the director of the film man allen

0:54

in the green room waiting for green right now

0:57

but before we bring a man guys are

0:59

or first spoiler alert because

1:01

there are spoilers here if you are

1:04

interested in this film at all definitely watch it

1:06

before you definitely to this commentary are

1:08

just with to out of the way genmab

1:10

would he think that we just watch this film would it we you guys

1:12

think of folks it was his

1:15

have it was surprising had some twists and

1:17

turns otto the

1:19

did

1:20

i feel this was a personal attack on myself

1:22

ensuring that there's a character in the movie named

1:25

justin as well as a character named

1:27

singer of which is close enough to zinger secretary

1:30

quickly because blame for both as characters

1:32

died horrible deaths

1:34

well in all fairness of big most of the characters

1:36

died horrible deaths so neighbors

1:38

away i think all of them

1:42

no

1:44

one survived birmingham

1:47

please megafon stars

1:49

worth it's salt and will

1:51

they were in the middle of nowhere and on how the vehicle

1:53

that they're against but they're were in were middle of

1:55

nowhere the had to take to helicopter in there so you

1:57

could take away

1:58

the

1:59

some people apparently could drive in there though because

2:02

there was a lot of those abandoned cars at our

2:04

place at the

2:06

the ah me a very true well

2:08

i'll tell you what it was he a wild ride

2:11

a year you're sitting down for one thing

2:13

in the voids in another and there's some twists and

2:15

turns and i don't how much we're going to give away

2:17

here but without further ado

2:19

i think we should probably bring our guest in here with

2:21

you guessing yeah you disguise

2:24

the a writer and director of

2:26

this so i'm excited to talk to

2:28

him find out about day his process making

2:31

it's apparently it's was made wealth

2:33

it was sad just about just about miles

2:35

from where i live now so

2:38

i'm he hadn't i'm ,

2:40

to know if they went out there

2:42

on sides a

2:44

light or not at all or how

2:46

they how they found that process so yeah

2:48

i'm excited to talk to him the scenery was

2:51

beautiful so beautiful had the same question jotted down

2:53

i had dinner where they saw

2:55

i i actually did as well and our

2:57

know of the end was at floors

2:59

new residents and

3:03

so we're we're more

3:05

quick thing they showed some by looking

3:07

at a map at one point

3:09

in the film and i caught a glimpse of something

3:11

called granite late

3:13

on the map so i just decided you

3:15

this is to be southwestern colorado let me

3:17

google it and sure enough, there is a granite lake,

3:19

it's eighty seven from me and

3:22

this would be be in the

3:24

right location so i thought

3:26

that was a neat, little edition

3:28

and hopefully hopefully we find

3:31

out that bigfoot running around my backyard here

3:33

are you concerned i guess the cyclist concerned

3:37

with as some of the characters that i

3:39

might prefer friend who draws a

3:41

sexy guy might be of the avoid the bigfoot though

3:45

what was it does the rivers of

3:47

deliver and sad georgia pacific

3:49

incessant wrong turn

3:51

comes to mind are affected your house of

3:53

italian or as i am the might as a

3:55

lot of the lot of right

3:58

of redemption two last the the middle of

4:00

nowhere movies yeah well done it

4:02

without further do with the spring and

4:04

our guest at tonight's guest is the director

4:07

writer and producer of the

4:09

film hoax that allen welcome

4:11

to the program yeah great day for

4:13

enemy might my first

4:15

question unless just opened this thing right up why

4:18

bigfoot what is it that made you

4:20

decide you want to do a film on thick for it's

4:23

a lotta things i grew

4:25

up in central minnesota and the

4:29

and i loved the woods jason

4:31

was real what

4:33

am all my favorite things

4:35

to do i still do it every

4:37

now and then is if a snowmobile there's

4:40

a river of here and i will stop on the bank

4:42

and just walk off into the woods by myself

4:45

at night until i get creeped

4:47

out and there's something about the

4:50

a wooded area this

4:52

you know there's a lot to it and i

4:55

was watching was show

4:58

oh jesus is probably two thousand

5:00

and six then

5:02

somebody asked a question the

5:05

about bigfoot and

5:08

what would people do his

5:12

they knew they had a big foot in they wanted to keep

5:14

it secret and immediately

5:16

hours label good on i'm

5:18

like oh gosh there's a story in there somewhere no

5:21

did you grow up with with the legend at all

5:23

where you from my years as something you had the research

5:25

to in it kinda lay the groundwork when

5:28

i was plenty of paranormal shows

5:31

it's just anything paranormal

5:33

just because it's not explainable it's

5:35

interesting and was drawn

5:37

to it's and you know i grew

5:40

up a horror guy not so much a paranormal

5:42

guy but there was just something about

5:44

that subject that i wanted to try to touch

5:47

on and i thought was a good opportunity

5:49

to there been a bunch

5:51

of other references

5:53

to films that i was growing up

5:55

in just gonna turn it into a big cinematic

5:58

enchilada and those

6:00

were those were fun to gonna stumble upon i

6:02

picked up on a few and in later when looked online

6:04

and and dug into a few others it's i

6:06

love when when people do that so kudos to you for

6:09

that the of easter eggs agree you

6:12

know that fine line to walk

6:14

because some people will eat it up

6:16

which is what we were intending to do

6:18

and some people will just say oh gosh

6:20

you know you were your love of his honor

6:23

on the screen please go away and

6:25

honestly the most people are looking

6:27

to yell at any one i did it for

6:30

the fans and i am one

6:32

myself and i grew up in an era

6:35

you know that bit the nineteen eighties were just

6:37

an amazing time there were so

6:40

many like if you go back and look at the year

6:42

by year the films that were released in that

6:44

decade it's another golden

6:47

age as far as i'm concerned yeah the

6:49

franchise's themselves a

6:52

match why don't i don't want to how

6:54

met here in germany have questions worms

6:57

i was so yeah was wondered mad tim

6:59

the new the how long did it

7:01

take you to for the writing process of

7:03

this and i know eight year listing

7:05

a yam co writer scott

7:08

park is that right

7:10

the

7:10

how about how bout how long it take yoga to put

7:13

the script together

7:14

gotta know the met in film school

7:16

at the colorado film school but two

7:18

thousand and five and then

7:21

actually started working with each other

7:23

and shooting whatever we could are working

7:26

on other projects and

7:29

we we thought we had as we wrote

7:31

the script in two thousand and eight i

7:34

had in angel investor

7:36

that it can have taken a shine to a short that

7:38

scott and i had done a couple years before

7:40

that than we thought

7:42

that we had the money in the bag

7:45

and you know i was the classic come

7:47

right out of film school where's my pi where's

7:49

my cake and thought

7:51

i had it and then the

7:53

entire financial world fell apart

7:55

and he went away and so

7:58

went spent

7:59

the ears

8:01

chasing money and

8:03

the entire time while we were doing

8:05

that we were revising the script because

8:07

if you're you know it's not like you write it

8:09

it's good it's done and then you move

8:11

on it's like okay we have

8:13

this development time nobody's

8:15

calling i don't have any pets meetings this week

8:18

let's go in revisit it so

8:20

wicked forty two revisions

8:23

on that thing men were pretty much

8:25

writing it's and rewriting it all the way right

8:27

up until the end them in the story and

8:30

the beats really never change but

8:32

just kind of the rebels and character

8:35

development in august doesn't make

8:37

sense now ah yeah we were always

8:39

working and i

8:41

think that shows to i kind of noticed that watching

8:43

the film like there really aren't any loose ends here like everything's

8:45

kind of taken care of in a recent the

8:48

dialogue in there i really really enjoy doing

8:50

you tell are some time spent an opening

8:52

a script together yeah i

8:54

mean we were happy with where was in

8:57

had , producers that actually give us some kudos

8:59

like you guys are from town and

9:01

it's it's really yeah well

9:04

done considering you're not in the loop man

9:07

it you

9:09

just never stop and then via

9:12

new then you get into production and you have

9:14

to do rewrites are different things and

9:16

there's some things that just get lost

9:18

in the tales of everything and discover

9:20

gonna read the way

9:23

i'm real quick the other the

9:25

short your talk about that the aces and

9:27

a

9:29

yes that

9:31

i'm asking because i'm very interested

9:33

in op of the description of it which

9:36

is a wild was bounty hunter cleans

9:38

up and undead infested town

9:41

it

9:42

once again horror movie

9:44

paranormal like that

9:47

really cool primus on that

9:49

what is so i talk about something completely

9:51

different just when you said that we smoking

9:53

i was like a wonder if this is what he saw mouth

9:55

or something else so

9:57

i mean you got your level of the that because

9:59

i'm the morning sword on this two aces

10:03

, it if a student film

10:06

was be clear and

10:08

yeah it was based off

10:10

of a premise of stalling are

10:13

stealing his shots from hunt for red october

10:15

with the device where they push in and

10:17

they're speaking in russian and they pull out and

10:19

they're speaking in english is what we

10:21

did with that is we show

10:24

a saloon filled fully zombies

10:26

and there's another mumbling and groaning

10:29

and everything and then we push it on a guy in

10:32

in his mouth exactly like they didn't

10:34

have her october and then we pull back

10:36

out and they're speaking

10:40

those are what does it and did cowboy

10:43

say or or whoop i'm sorry what was outlaw

10:45

a cowboy what was the description bad

10:47

it was it was filled with a bunch

10:49

of zombie cowboys and then we had a

10:51

a a bounty hunter hughes

10:53

not undead oh

10:55

man the door and start

10:58

some shit up as

11:01

for this the hoax movie

11:05

blatantly obvious to me as a fan

11:07

of the paranormal and stuff like that that you did

11:09

your due diligence

11:11

the everything you got the call blasting

11:14

there you got the would dark and you got

11:16

all the hallmarks of a big

11:18

foot expedition which as

11:20

somebody who's seen plenty of the

11:23

documentaries and stuff like that

11:25

i appreciate it all the nods to that

11:28

though taking out the on crypto

11:31

zoologist first was a good move because

11:33

then everyone else has no clue what's going on

11:36

so i spoiler real quick

11:39

well we took him out because he broke a rule

11:41

and smoked a joint declare them

11:44

, every was

11:46

fun i think fun i i've

11:48

watched every single there

11:51

was a time where there was a big that movie

11:53

or three bags of movies coming out about

11:55

every quarter you know that that need to

11:57

thousands it was all the time then

12:00

i just felt that a lot of those movies

12:02

just made it a creature that jumps up

12:04

behind a bush this is wrong

12:06

or does bad things and so we

12:09

really wanted a in that's the interesting

12:11

stuff about the big foot lower

12:13

is the would knocking and any and the

12:15

weird stuff that you can't explain but you can

12:17

hear it and it just really opened

12:20

a door for sound design and

12:23

we really wanted to make the film

12:25

and and the creature more

12:28

the animalistic unexplainable so

12:30

if you guys have see how it only

12:32

till something when

12:34

it's cornered or you know mean

12:36

i just have no other alternative

12:39

and i can't fully and then there's some other stuff

12:41

going on that note as much of the

12:43

violence going on and that's that's

12:45

not our big

12:47

and i don't know if we wanted giveaway spoilers

12:49

here know it is gentlemen would he would you think should

12:51

we discuss that back half very are

12:53

sweet to slip people discover that on their own i

12:56

have a question about the back half that i

12:58

don't and do what the answer to sell

13:00

i will live up to you guys

13:02

well i see a good listener

13:05

, spoilers you know ahead

13:08

and go ahead justice for all i are you

13:10

break your me tear up the bandaid for

13:12

do it does rip that thing right off all right

13:14

so

13:15

i'd be down to me i was

13:18

watching it and i thanks

13:21

dave and i you could you know exactly what's going

13:24

on i was doing meal prep for the

13:26

next day so sitting there

13:28

make a break in the have literally make a break

13:30

in and said seen happens

13:32

and unlike

13:34

looking at the bacon looking at the screen looking

13:36

at the bacon look at the screen and i

13:38

mean it's bacon so i'm going to eat it but there was a

13:40

there was that moment of hesitation gotta

13:43

ask i don't want to know the answer but

13:45

i do what was used

13:48

twelve years that

13:52

is chickens get okay

13:53

okay the idea i was just

13:56

like i say

13:59

i

13:59

but they were two three chicken always has with

14:02

a very good skin on it now

14:03

oh my god i'm

14:06

like like know but yeah of kudos

14:09

to you on that seem to like i said

14:11

a big and a gave me a moment as occasion

14:14

but kudos to you on that

14:16

particular scene gentlemen hybrid

14:18

i've i stepped back jail for you guys

14:21

i mean i appreciate mad that

14:23

you didn't hold back on any of that

14:25

stuff it is uncomfortable

14:28

and horrific and grotesque

14:30

an awesome i , the yet

14:34

when we were we were doing rewrites

14:38

scott actually asked me he said how

14:40

much further you want to take this stops

14:43

and i looked at him i said what do you mean like

14:45

yuki push it and people are going to see nonstop

14:47

watch it and i looked at him like don't

14:49

tell me that off it's as makes you wanna go first

14:52

middle that sounds

14:55

we're not watching horror to be

14:57

out go

14:58

watch your parade or a picnic area

15:00

were there to escape and if it's

15:02

too much for for some people then

15:05

i'm sorry but that's that's

15:07

what the zone or therefore i

15:09

gotta ask what was your inspiration for

15:11

the for the at

15:13

the end there well i mean

15:15

there's poorly executed

15:18

or mises to texas chainsaw all

15:20

over my well gonna say no

15:22

i might it's really

15:25

taste the same for a i

15:27

wish it would have come off a little

15:29

bit better a , of the

15:31

audience feedback that we got was if they're

15:33

a little confused and it completely came out of left

15:35

field it and i agree with that but but

15:39

a don't know don't we had

15:41

actually other things that we're supposed

15:43

to set that up that got sacrifice

15:45

later and production i mean there was a point

15:47

where we were eleven pages behind with like two weeks

15:50

to go any i mixed it

15:52

make choices you know do i have a movie

15:54

or do i have a couple see

15:57

you he set something up the club when

15:59

show

16:01

one of amount like way that was the couple from earlier

16:03

that was at my job now was like wait a second

16:05

were

16:06

they're behind this

16:07

i notice the detail

16:10

nothing , spent zinger know with

16:12

that the we said also a little nod to

16:14

i may be friends for trappers

16:17

and and your neck of the words in minnesota

16:19

there minnesota know i it's

16:21

gonna just chose okay who are

16:23

these people really and their descendants

16:25

of old for trappers that still

16:27

does decide you know they're gonna continue

16:30

to exist in the north forty

16:32

and it just seemed to make sense as

16:35

just going to say kind of reminded me of the bloody

16:37

benders is at the name of that group

16:39

than the name to say they

16:42

basically did the same thing in the late eighteen

16:44

hundreds adding some somewhere on then there will i don't

16:46

think the were you

16:48

don't even ask , and dragon people

16:50

type of of i

16:52

just met the like whoever comes by get slaughtered

16:55

and he's down to a son and i can fall

16:57

of are just as questions when we shot

16:59

the inserts of what you're talking about with the bacon

17:02

we did that and pick ups and the

17:05

uk syria images on the scratch

17:07

audio when we dropped it in an

17:09

especially when they were staring around and they

17:12

they base it it with blood the

17:14

six people that were they're shooting it literally

17:16

in the background or just like off as

17:21

, same sound i was making as i watch your

17:23

step filled kicked our ass make in it

17:26

but those days that we shot those

17:28

scenes i sat behind modern

17:30

just giggled know that that's on

17:32

you know i'm happy happy you guys

17:34

go out to the area

17:36

around like telluride and or and in

17:38

places like that to seduce and location so

17:41

it was mainly shot in hinsdale

17:43

county which is it

17:46

on the map it looks really close to telluride

17:48

and you're and but it's a long ways to

17:50

get there because there roads just don't go

17:52

yeah an election and he

17:54

was yeah lake city with our home base

17:57

and base the county was awesome

17:59

and really what turn

18:01

this from with developing try to the

18:03

get a movie on the launching pad to okay

18:06

we found a gold mines

18:08

and just went with it the

18:11

most remote town in the lower forty eight

18:13

states and there is just lake

18:16

city and than nothing but fourteen years in

18:18

every direction and it's an old mining town

18:20

so the seen that you saw

18:23

where they go into a mine or a cave

18:25

that's actually an abandoned gold mine

18:27

know to your audience don't try

18:29

to produce a scene in an abandoned

18:32

full time it's got some logistical

18:35

challenges but yeah it was

18:37

everything that we were looking

18:39

for and then some all

18:41

within one tiny little county where

18:43

you know you're not company move in here and

18:45

do and yeah we gotta go today's over

18:48

here and all that kind of stuff i mean everything that we

18:50

went to was probably within the

18:52

half hour drive

18:53

it's nice i'm currently live

18:55

in crested butte so i could get there in about an hour

18:57

and a half

18:58

also when i go to go to an

19:00

remember helicopter companies in the

19:03

air minutes we go right path or when you

19:05

go down speaking of the

19:07

helicopters are you know i noticed he didn't say away

19:09

from any challenges in this film the of animals

19:11

a chimpanzee in the film helicopters

19:14

young location the entire time night suits

19:16

it was cold and some of those shots open

19:19

, so throughout our the question i just wanted to comment

19:21

like i know how hard it is you know i've worked in the fullness

19:24

industry i know how hard it is out there and you

19:26

know kudos honestly

19:29

there's it was my first feature

19:31

film and that was almost the

19:33

strategy like live get as much production

19:36

value in to cover my ass

19:38

to i know who i'm going to make mistakes

19:41

and some of it really worked the helicopter

19:43

stuff actually we found

19:45

it is impossible i headed

19:47

my head the wish list we

19:49

need a huge i need a hearing like

19:52

out that the sound it makes sense

19:54

for the number of crew members that were flying

19:56

out there and we

19:59

found

19:59

that three days before

20:02

we started shooting because to fight a

20:04

huge

20:05

in the west in fire season

20:07

does not work here is

20:09

damn near impossible and not only

20:11

did we find a huge we present

20:14

gym director who is like a

20:16

veteran helicopter pilots and

20:18

then he just had this happen

20:21

to have in in a list the

20:23

areas d p that was in town

20:26

for a car commercial so

20:28

i mean happy accidents happen

20:31

and that was certainly one of of was at the opening

20:33

shots of or credits that he sat of we

20:35

we use that thing as much as we can and with

20:37

beautiful with amazing and speaking

20:40

of fire season i noticed that when sunset

20:42

just orange and red i'm guessing

20:45

that it'll hurt the little some to do with

20:47

it cause southern skies get

20:49

around here

20:50

yeah i mean this time of year it's it's

20:53

it doesn't even have to be colorado it comes from

20:55

other states and the wife's

20:57

up there and

20:59

the the chimpanzee was

21:02

i stepped into a giant turd

21:04

sandwich on that one ah we

21:06

use the company and i didn't

21:08

really fully understand the context

21:11

of the industry and animals and everything

21:13

but they were actually on almost a

21:15

blacklist of

21:17

the company has no

21:20

a foggy okay history

21:22

and so the seconds that

21:24

a chimpanzee showed up on any of our social

21:27

media ugh i contacted by peter

21:29

and it was a nightmare it

21:33

was nice in it works for the scene

21:35

and it you know really elevated the ellen character

21:37

into an expert then again

21:39

just provided to production value

21:42

that i was trying to throw bells and whistles

21:44

to distract the audience that you

21:46

know a first time feature filmmaker was making

21:48

this film ah and it worked

21:51

but it was extremely challenging

21:53

on the back end and i had to

21:55

ride do a lot of damage control red

21:59

tape

21:59

the everytime

22:01

what i'd never thought you know i'm

22:03

naive as she gets a baby

22:05

in the woods and never even thought i

22:07

just was like oh it would be cool let's

22:09

figure out how to do that and as soon

22:11

as i get the pt email at my eyes were wide

22:14

open as the what i had done on

22:17

on a i guess

22:19

different note on that are with the

22:21

shooting on location everything i'm

22:24

i'm just gonna ask i'm pretty sure i know the answer

22:26

this did you

22:28

guys have anything weird happen

22:31

while you were shooting on located

22:34

really vulgar these know

22:36

, mean when you go of production crew

22:38

we shot on vickers branch

22:41

branch you go up i think it

22:43

was twenty minutes about four

22:45

by four g trail just to get the said every

22:47

day and others

22:50

forty to sixty eight of us up there depending on

22:52

what we're doing and so i think

22:54

we pretty much scared everything out of the region

22:57

predictably as opposed or vice versa

22:59

i just wonder if there was like one

23:02

hi more yeah had something

23:04

oh yeah that known so during a would not come

23:06

right over here man you

23:10

know it's policies

23:12

going into production i thought i was

23:14

gonna be slick and like you know play something

23:16

over the watches with the eighties like what

23:18

was that are old on a second in

23:21

them in the just of trying to get

23:23

they'll it to a certain scared spot

23:26

and fortunately our town

23:28

was awesome so i didn't have to try to pull

23:31

any bullshit like that the

23:34

a robust cast to i thought they did a really

23:36

good job super first time director

23:38

you're working with a lot of talent here too so

23:40

cousin again had lasted it's

23:42

quite a challenge you undertook there well

23:45

i mean we broke all the first

23:48

time filmmaker elicited

23:50

something really don't know in the good

23:53

on good on good with him the

23:55

out the middle of nowhere at night mostly

23:57

or scenes ensemble

24:00

the lake erie i was

24:02

a handful but i gotta give props

24:04

to chadwick struck we reached out

24:06

to him through another

24:09

production friend of mine and chad as a casting

24:11

director in los angeles and

24:14

not only brought us just really great

24:16

people to work with but we were very

24:18

up front with them like there will be no

24:21

honey wagons like you guys will be acts

24:24

and there will be porta potties and fog

24:26

was so not only did he bring us bring

24:28

a great marketable people what

24:31

he brought his great individuals

24:33

that were willing to get in the sandbox

24:35

and play around and you know not color

24:37

agents

24:38

that's great you and

24:40

and what i like to his they brought

24:42

your characters to life and

24:45

all the characters are very distinct

24:47

and have you know those classic personalities

24:50

that you throw him altogether and try to make

24:52

him survive and to see you know stuff

24:54

goes south and know the i

24:56

release when a complementary on how you

24:58

have distinct you made the characters in it

25:01

the thank you for saying that i mean that that's also

25:04

a fine line

25:05

with a and on the internet where

25:07

your we were obviously trying to

25:09

do tropes in a lot of ways in

25:12

some people like that and some people will just

25:14

call it out and be like you know these are just

25:16

cookie cutter or

25:19

characters and you know i'm sorry

25:22

you didn't get the joke the

25:25

reason they're strokes for years

25:29

it was pretty awesome to see during bobo and

25:31

bobo and thompson in there to you know i kind of grew up

25:33

watching both of them so that was her

25:35

that was fun know what was it like

25:37

to a scan of work with them i guess

25:39

it would be the main question now i realize your

25:42

scene with side room was pretty short

25:44

but i will visit like the ever their own said

25:47

it was raised that was our last the a production

25:49

a we did seen a couple days in denver

25:51

and than most of our principal down and lake city

25:54

and then i think six of us

25:56

got on a plane right away and flew out and

25:58

grow up north l

26:00

a and shot that scene and know she's very

26:02

gracious the

26:05

shared really good stories

26:07

i am amber on a basset

26:09

disciple of john carpenter i

26:11

will eat up anything that that man

26:13

does an issue was very open

26:15

on on sharing stories and

26:17

anecdotes and then also

26:19

we were working with a skeleton crew that

26:21

day so it wasn't a very impressive

26:24

production i was actually aging at the

26:26

same time not running around

26:28

and doing everything she was

26:30

she was game for everything and really nice

26:32

and has been supportive of the film and

26:35

and a pleasure to talk to afterwards

26:37

and brian thompson

26:40

i can't say enough good things about brian

26:42

he and i are are still good friends as

26:44

i am with the of majority of the cast

26:47

and there were football body

26:49

as we will call and talk to each other on sunday

26:51

about different things that happened and now

26:54

he's he's and

26:56

right

26:57

that's exactly what we wanted for that character

27:00

then then was

27:02

very gracious in working

27:05

with a young green

27:07

indie film crew i remember isis

27:10

a great lesson learned the

27:12

i think it was the first day of production

27:15

where they had the headphones on

27:18

and

27:20

he said to i believe

27:22

it was browder

27:24

i just heard a motor over his microphone

27:27

in my ears you know because i get the headphones

27:29

on he said you no mark

27:32

would be nice sooner or later

27:36

at , moment i literally learn i'm

27:38

like don't wear the headsets hundred

27:40

and has any is nothing in between

27:42

take that you're gonna wanna hear on its own

27:45

good enough head but i mean that's

27:47

that was the patients have a better an actor

27:50

the to just realize okay these

27:52

people are scrambling they're still trying to gel

27:54

as a crew that's day one

27:56

it's crazy i'm not gonna

27:58

bitch and moan but yeah i'm

28:00

just gonna do my thing i'm

28:03

going to be honest with you and i'm kind of

28:05

surprised to hear that that's

28:07

that situation with the production the you

28:09

your first time director having watched

28:11

it it looks beautiful i mean every site

28:13

looked great you're shooting , night

28:15

that's not an easy task and that and it

28:17

all looked incredible incredible

28:19

thing i got a mention is the score i noticed your

28:23

finity to her dumb carpenter

28:25

do they get here it in your score in a couple spots for

28:27

i love the score a you know i thought

28:29

that was pretty on par i just think he

28:31

didn't an amazing job well

28:33

thank you is that was one of the the

28:36

big gifts that we had early on and development

28:38

we reached out to l and hours to

28:41

kind of helps john carpenter that

28:44

figure out his kind of since of synthesize

28:47

sound in is scores

28:49

and so i mean and work from

28:52

escape all the way through a big

28:54

trouble in little china with mr carpenter

28:56

and the other just like adrian

28:58

had the unbelievable stories

29:01

to to share and ellen

29:03

not only was a composer but he was

29:06

the sound designer of kinda like special

29:08

i sound effects soaks i mean he did stuff

29:10

in the hunt for red october

29:13

he told me a great story where the

29:16

hissing sound in raiders of the lost

29:18

ark with the cobras the he and

29:20

his wife putting on

29:23

a two liter bottle or something

29:25

along the at and slowly pulling it off

29:27

and you could put fast or slow it

29:29

kind of accentuate the noises in

29:32

for a cinephile like me if you're telling me stories

29:34

about working with john carpenter or

29:36

steven spielberg like for me a

29:38

glass like jimmy

29:40

a boy and boy and i mean it was it was

29:42

awful i did not realize the to

29:45

did your score i i guess as of look them embarrassed

29:47

but that that's incredible and fifteen

29:49

own you i'm a meeting this they'll

29:52

and ahead oh geez i can't remember

29:54

what the profits five is an old

29:56

synthesizer and he had actually gotten

29:59

rid of it

29:59

some point in his career

30:01

and when we signed him on

30:03

for hoax in the interim between

30:06

that and you know coming with the finished

30:08

film he went on and bought one saw

30:11

his literally sitting i'm sitting i'm sitting office

30:13

and

30:14

you know that own ,

30:16

carpenter just feel like

30:19

i'm getting goosebumps to think about

30:21

it right now i mean i actually texted

30:23

my friend and said and

30:27

john carpenter in my school right now

30:29

it it just yeah it was great

30:31

i really really dug the score he was

30:34

something i use that kind of at what

30:36

will be to college as dark sense i suppose the

30:39

up a use that in my in my so all the time

30:42

i just love the affected get sick is just so

30:44

droning you can to get comfortable with it but

30:46

this does not necessarily good idea well

30:50

i think i'm drawn to carpenter scores and i'm

30:52

drawn to anything yeah

30:54

no basis urge that do it

30:56

the simpler that you can make it the more effective

30:58

it is sometimes you know you got the droning

31:01

tones and then a couple notes and

31:03

it comes together and as just really other

31:05

stuff very effective

31:08

they keep mentioning carpenter and i feel

31:10

like i gotta ask favorite

31:12

john carpenter movie

31:14

the hell we just

31:16

cause murder and

31:18

we met one the a with

31:21

the if you're not including dark star

31:23

or precincts thirteen

31:26

thirteen it was really the big splashes is

31:28

the one that i was first aware of the

31:31

my a one of my older brothers actually

31:34

this is pre cds

31:36

and everything he actually would have the

31:38

soundtracks for some of those movies and

31:41

would play them around the house and so i just

31:43

always the always heard that

31:45

and it's just gonna sit in the me and i

31:48

mean i think these show

31:50

me seen in christine is

31:52

one of the best scored seems

31:54

ever like you

31:57

got already sitting there

31:58

in his life

31:59

this

32:00

the and a shit hole in his cars and pieces

32:03

and the way that they put that scene together

32:06

and then back it up the score a estimates

32:09

go google it see no evil west

32:11

christine in probably 20 but

32:14

well,

32:17

i had one of our doctor's

32:19

excuse me, is being a hoarder

32:22

rolodex and i know there are people

32:24

there are people that have a lot more useless

32:26

or effects in there have been i do but

32:28

i've got a few so

32:31

yeah show me christine it's unbelievable

32:33

i know this was your first undertaking

32:36

for this like you said what was

32:39

besides not wearing headphones her

32:41

between takes it's what was the biggest thing

32:44

you learned or or maybe biggest

32:46

surprise you had during production

32:48

well making any film it's

32:51

a humbling experience especially at my

32:53

experience level i came

32:55

from an a d background and then

32:58

thought i was gonna go that route until i watched

33:00

that paranormal show and they ask that question

33:03

years ago and i suddenly you

33:05

know me to course change and there's

33:07

a million things that you learn

33:09

from covering a scene or

33:12

working with actors or how

33:14

to cover a scene when things go

33:16

to shit and you suddenly you know like

33:19

we did silences and stuff and plan

33:21

on a lot of previous attorney you know how much

33:23

that we even came close to adhering to

33:25

because one the bulls starts barking

33:29

a good look a little difficult

33:31

and utah just need to adapt

33:33

and figure out how to get through it but it

33:36

would think really think consider film

33:38

to be a language one hundred percent

33:40

and i was in

33:43

am still am a bit of a stuttering fool

33:45

or you know you need to really

33:48

figure out all of the beads that need to be

33:50

in there and not only like what

33:52

is his editor gonna wants what as an

33:54

editor going editor use and

33:57

like and said way it if it really gets

33:59

down to the nitty

33:59

really how can you club or a scene and still

34:02

have it makes sense with you

34:04

know the third of the time that you were

34:06

allotted original

34:08

derek yeah and i know about

34:11

changing on the fly trying

34:13

to do things last minute with third the

34:15

documentary that we shot they

34:17

are working on the stuff

34:20

they're derek said term

34:22

sometimes the day of we realized we

34:24

got the call and say owed somebody is available

34:26

in kenya drive an hour to the toughest

34:29

sweet we go in there with all these plans

34:31

and them when she set foot on the ground it's like

34:33

forget the plans like and says whatever world

34:35

when whirlwind just try to survive effect

34:39

so we know exactly what you're talking about on about smaller

34:41

scale but we know what you diaries hall yeah everyone

34:44

starts out with an ideal scenario and

34:46

you think you're going to do all these different things

34:49

and then

34:51

the are you have to you realize you have to filter

34:53

that through x number of people and

34:55

then x number of scenarios that happen on the

34:57

day or

34:59

we don't have money for x so we gotta

35:01

do y en really

35:03

being able to control of that

35:06

and still have a percentage of what's your vision

35:08

was in the beginning at the end

35:10

is it's extremely challenging

35:12

and like a said it's it's very humbling at

35:15

it's not a business for the faint of heart

35:18

that's for sure oh no often do

35:20

have no neither is the film this

35:24

is so i'm a funny story about that bradley

35:28

original draft home to my dad

35:30

it was easter of two thousand and nine

35:33

and you got a horror guy but he read the script

35:36

and he looked at my girlfriend at the time after

35:38

she said what do you think any said i

35:40

, this charming well

35:42

rounded young man and

35:44

i don't know where he gets me laden

35:47

and then and even finish the surface

35:50

then i knew i was just like fredette

35:52

my dad likes this in a conference

35:56

i gotta ask you this question this question is

35:58

to send the some different path as where

36:00

where do you stand with you know with big

36:02

city believe that is our duty

36:05

believe it's possible you think this is just the

36:07

earth or folklore or something like

36:09

that will what are your thoughts so

36:11

i can't remember who said it was somebody

36:13

in one of the docks or shows that i watched and

36:15

research but i totally subscribe to

36:18

the guy said i find a world

36:20

with a big foot far more interesting

36:22

than one without me i think that the perfect

36:25

way to put and like like

36:27

right yeah i believe that too

36:29

the like vanilla well gentlemen

36:31

as or anything else we have for matt

36:33

here and want to keep them the you figure out in the middle

36:36

of nowhere i believe rate and just

36:38

get a duck under towns that he could do the interview i

36:40

am sitting in front of the caffeine

36:43

i didn't go to a couple times a week to

36:45

gonna touch base with the world and everything and

36:48

yeah that sounds amazing why

36:50

didn't your audience might wanna know is

36:52

a bill mine said participation

36:55

in this and i know bill is now on

36:57

it on a lot of shows and so we reached

36:59

out to him also through the same

37:02

producer the better we reached out to gets

37:04

a casting director and feel is

37:06

great is wish

37:08

that we could have found better less

37:11

complicated ways to shoot

37:13

his suit but that is

37:15

the thing since of a director and director and

37:17

on the designer but when he was amazingly

37:20

giving that's the one thing we

37:22

were really lucky with this film and it was

37:24

a strategy i'm not gonna lie to find

37:27

kind of grizzled hollywood that's

37:30

that were willing to be an open book

37:32

and help i can i came

37:34

up on people like that through the

37:37

film school and we just gonna continue

37:39

that mentality no i'm a bill

37:41

was amazing he did a great creature

37:43

for us protestants retread

37:46

when we were in development so that you

37:48

know if he's a task than okay this

37:50

might be legitimate and

37:52

in i will he was really really

37:54

fun to work with and for horror

37:57

fans bill work done

37:59

what does the the boogie

38:01

and then most

38:03

people would know he designed

38:05

the barrel man creature in return

38:07

a living okay the

38:10

bills actually elsa neighbor but

38:12

he was at the same lake idea i've never seen

38:14

him i don't know exactly where he lives but i know he left the or somewhere

38:17

survivor run into my have some questions but

38:19

a year that the suit that's

38:21

that's bill months suit he created that awesome

38:25

know it he was great and the

38:27

just once again sharing

38:30

stories and then being able to

38:32

the patient working with a crew like ours

38:35

and i think one of the best compliments

38:37

that i got from production

38:39

was bill and a

38:42

pet janko etc knows your goes

38:44

know him or his but seven foot

38:46

in double it all the horror circuits

38:48

in town or they came out in

38:51

actually you know we got rained

38:53

on

38:54

we did thirty nights in it rained

38:57

twenty six of us or something like that

39:00

the i was just when you say it was cold

39:02

yes it was called nerd we

39:04

started at ten thousand feet and then

39:06

when you add

39:07

there are humidity and range of that it it turns

39:09

into a clustered f pretty

39:11

quickly and

39:13

those guys showed up in it was raining

39:16

and they actually made the comments of like i

39:18

have never seen the civil

39:20

the indie film set ever and

39:23

i would probably give myself

39:25

about myself about

39:27

or maybe a little lower as a filmmaker

39:29

but as far as like be culture

39:31

that we returned to do and and of

39:33

carrier selves with it was it was really

39:35

nice to hear that kind of feedback

39:38

and that it wasn't lost on on somebody like that

39:41

was not lost on us either i really

39:43

enjoyed the film at a

39:45

just them pointed out earlier the the little details

39:47

you had in there are even down to

39:50

use the sierra sounds as though the

39:52

call them as the get picked up on that i'm in in

39:54

the remix little bit which was really cool cause

39:57

is creepy as they are made a sound even creepier

40:00

our noses into the little details they're all

40:02

i noticed all of them so you know i appreciate

40:04

all that it is

40:06

anything you'd like us to know before we release

40:09

you back into the while no

40:12

oh i mean he's a good sir epic pictures

40:14

website and find it it's streaming on a whole

40:16

bunch of stuff still in the north

40:18

on primus and a lot of be

40:20

major carriers and

40:23

just

40:24

please you know

40:25

look for the nuggets that's what we made it for

40:28

when we did initial release press i

40:31

told somebody i said i think there's about thirty

40:33

to forty references to other films

40:35

in that in that movie and i still

40:37

haven't come back

40:39

counting how many but

40:41

look for the easter eggs some of them are obvious

40:43

some of them or not

40:44

and that was one of the things i've

40:47

been are been are really get behind in

40:49

our production designer

40:50

the will last thing but

40:52

adrian barbosa outfit

40:55

her nurse mark that she's wearing

40:57

the same color that she is

40:59

wearing an escape from new york so

41:01

like there's ah there's ah there's

41:04

ones like opening up with friday the

41:06

thirteenth two and then there's some

41:08

other ones in the that are pretty subtle and i

41:10

oh people look for them and enjoy them

41:12

and if they enjoyed the film

41:14

we use go share it with

41:17

your friends or give it some love on social media

41:19

because indie films are

41:21

tough to get out there a and get watched

41:24

you well we'll to the lincoln

41:26

are so notes and will make sure people

41:28

it over there were make sure they find the so are

41:30

you working on know anything else mad anything

41:32

and script wise or

41:35

are looking to make something else anytime soon

41:37

yeah i've been up here in minnesota restoring

41:40

a cabin that was my family's

41:42

and have been working on it for three

41:44

summers now and it's actually where i went

41:46

to read the blueprint for hoax and can

41:49

get away from everything and and let the brain

41:51

clear down and i'm just about done

41:53

with all of the projects

41:55

that i had his for the cabin

41:57

and i've got

41:58

six scripts right now that i'm

42:00

working on

42:02

they might change sometimes

42:05

ideas will kind of bond together

42:07

so if you were to ask me six months ago i'd say

42:09

i have eight and sometimes

42:12

they just wanna go together so working

42:14

on a bunch of that's in take

42:17

some ideas or to fm and

42:20

start pushing boulder of elegance great

42:23

good luck with that yeah

42:26

, a big boulder in a big hill but based

42:29

on based on what we decide what we you

42:31

you can be just fine that's a tough

42:34

one in but those boulders or really

42:36

damn gloria swanson roll down the others aren't

42:38

a happy to movie

42:41

thank you so much map for map for the time

42:43

to to hang in such a cafe and and

42:45

have a little chat with his ear we really appreciate

42:47

yes yeah thank you for avermedia

42:50

absolutely loved talk and film and i'm

42:52

happy that you guys enjoyed it i appreciate

42:55

well everybody go check out hope so

42:57

but he said it's it streaming everywhere i watched

43:00

it on the app, i believe it's to

43:02

be and it's on amazon prime so

43:04

go have a, have a watch, highly

43:06

recommended thanks alright

43:08

thanks guys has been fun

43:16

there's a gentleman that , awesome have

43:18

a match up in there and tennis tennis

43:20

a suicidal some the lower legend mind

43:23

the film ah let's

43:25

listen that with what we always do you guys recommend

43:27

people watch this

43:30

they to go

43:32

so i'm glad we got to to talk

43:35

to him

43:36

every time we talk the

43:38

someone who is has been in

43:40

the weeds with the staff and and knows

43:42

what they're doing and you know had a hand in making

43:44

it it always gives me a

43:47

a better appreciation of it

43:49

and nam i know i keep tying stuff

43:52

back to what you and i are working

43:54

on what shadows in the desert and i

43:56

do that because i am i'm

43:58

trying to relate

43:59

who is ohio right that's

44:02

that's what i know very well and and

44:04

yeah try to related to whoever

44:06

we're talking to and also you know can give the

44:08

audience a glimpse into what we can

44:11

have went through ourselves but damn

44:13

this film was not in the

44:15

wheelhouse of films that i typically

44:18

enjoy it probably a little

44:20

too grotesque for me too

44:23

just watch off the off the street

44:25

or or to seek out but

44:28

having

44:29

watched it and having talk to him about

44:31

it it makes me appreciate it so

44:33

much more

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and knowing

44:36

the work that went into it and you know

44:38

all the stuff they had to do to get

44:40

this end product which is not bad

44:42

at all i'm a it's just not

44:44

something i i would seek out myself but

44:47

i think it's it's worth a watch and i

44:49

think i'm specially

44:51

know when it was his first film it's really

44:53

well done for hat fact alone you know

44:55

what i mean yeah as in and and know company

44:58

or anything but i did says doing it in south india

45:01

film yeah so i appreciate that it's

45:03

ads independent they did a great

45:05

job with have the resources they had

45:07

and even though it's not as a

45:09

film i would personally seek out to

45:12

watch just you know i'm know not

45:14

as the horror genre

45:16

it's not a huge fan like some people

45:18

are i still appreciate doesn't and

45:20

i think it's a different worth a watch for

45:22

folks mr sanger ah i'm

45:24

up i'm don't watch

45:27

this or making any type of those

45:29

at that , recommendations

45:32

same thing as at the interview

45:34

at the a lot more i really

45:36

wish i got were my friends whose like

45:39

a super horror movie buff to watch

45:41

it with me because i'm sure he would have been

45:43

able to pick out a ton of that stuff

45:46

like

45:47

i notice that not you're near number the biggest

45:50

horror movie fan but i noticed

45:52

that i'm pretty sure somebody who's more

45:54

into that would have been a or pick up

45:56

a whole lot more than just the little

45:59

tidbits tidbits

45:59

in think i got

46:01

yeah i mean i i will say

46:03

this not for the faint of heart but

46:06

definitely check it out

46:08

i'm going to side with both of you are

46:10

the are definitely check it out i am a

46:12

horror fan especially like eighties horror

46:14

i grew up with that and this

46:17

just drips with eighties horror like ike

46:19

and the to i caught five or six different

46:22

the easter eggs in there i

46:24

could tell you what they are now the time

46:26

like iowa new that's the line for whatever

46:29

it if there's forty in their a kind of really goes

46:31

to go back and watch it again so late night

46:33

and see my can't find the others but

46:35

you know i'm the kind of guy that i'd love like

46:37

be horror films like parana you

46:39

all these weird like it's

46:41

kind of like make fun of as you watch and that really

46:44

makes on it's not right word but just laugh along

46:46

i guess in this kind as a touch of that but

46:49

, it's it's good it's it's well

46:51

written i'd shot beautifully and

46:53

editor's note knew what he was doing the scores

46:55

amazing it's this is the a solid

46:57

ride like all the way across the board and

47:00

like david i can't believe is the first time director

47:02

i didn't know that going into this interview interview

47:05

and do the homework i should have apparently but that

47:08

just blew me away and to see

47:10

would ease come up with i'm kind of excited to see what's

47:12

next

47:14

yeah me too

47:16

i appreciate term

47:18

just going full tilt

47:20

the first you know your your first foray

47:23

into it i i i appreciate

47:25

ambition and and he was very ambitious

47:27

with isn't i think it paid off for

47:30

they should have asked him this but if

47:33

he knew would he knows now what

47:35

he still have attempted a lot of these things will still

47:37

trying to get alexander what is it offers a chimp

47:39

in the film because either either

47:42

read about you know to the champ yeah probably

47:44

a and i've had experiences with that

47:46

to we try to put an elephant movie together when i was

47:49

working down down the hill down there and the

47:52

we were just talking about making a movie

47:54

and peter was reaching out to us so

47:56

i can only imagine if they watch a film and a see

47:58

you know it a youth team

47:59

i don't know what age that thing was but at

48:02

the the alert pretty quickly sounded

48:05

like it was more the company

48:07

the and a shady yeah those are the and the

48:09

others as well as the way it works

48:11

as there's usually the only one

48:13

would you call it again animal wrangler i guess

48:16

that he has like a stable full of these

48:18

animals and sometimes they're experts like we have only

48:20

temps we've only elephants sometimes

48:22

they have all array of things those are new web

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sites right the have to pee not

48:26

, yet

48:29

and worth a barn david moses

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ah ah

48:37

, and that know gentlemen we

48:39

want to think matt for stopping by to and

48:41

begin with is that was that was awesome thank

48:44

you goes for allow me to pick them and

48:47

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though

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the opposite of what you guys are deal

49:11

i would watch it actually that

49:13

sounds intriguing political i know

49:15

i lot of the joke i'm like was actually

49:18

sounds interesting to see why

49:22

, my jokes are more interesting than anything

49:24

else i've said for the so for for hunt

49:26

second ozick i'm convinced would tell us more

49:28

just i hit we should have done this on

49:30

us very thought he was gonna say

49:32

i'm i'm doing my new documentary waiting

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on the shadow of a hell

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is spiller bizarre movie here how

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are more diverse shadows go just

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sit , front of the computer with like some shadow

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have you know we owe a lot of people a good

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or they end up being a little

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if , weren't the beginning they are the and the

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that out thanks david floor the hardest

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gentlemen thank you so much for doing this oh thank

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everybody for listening and until next time

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