0:08

Hello, and welcome back. To the

0:11

round table, we have another

0:13

film review. I'm David Flora. I'm the host

0:15

of the blurry photos podcast. With

0:17

me, is Derek Hayes of monsters

0:19

mungus. What's up, Derek? Hello, everybody. Thanks

0:21

for having me back. Whatever. I'm

0:26

glad to have you back and glad to have you so

0:28

enthused. That's definitely

0:31

got Justin Zinger from the

0:33

Zinger's podcast. What's up Justin? Oh, no.

0:35

much. I'm I'm actually wearing all

0:37

black unintentionally for this. This

0:40

this was not intended, but black shirt,

0:42

black pants. I'm in the mood. There

0:44

you go. He is the muscle man in

0:46

black now. We

0:50

are covering the nineteen eighty nine

0:52

British television horror film,

0:55

the woman in black. Derek,

0:58

you had mentioned that you'd never heard of this

1:00

one before. Zinger is that same for you too?

1:02

Oh, I have never ever

1:06

ever heard of this before. Then when

1:08

hearing about it, I was like, oh, I regret

1:10

knowing of this now. Sort

1:14

of. And, Derek, what did you think? I'm hearing

1:16

this picked. Quite honestly, I misread

1:19

your text and thought we were doing the Daniel

1:21

Ratcliffe version this whole time until about

1:23

this morning, I think. So

1:25

so this whole time I was like, oh, well, you know, it's

1:27

not not what I would have picked, but it sounds like it's a

1:29

good movie. And then I learned it was the nineteen eighty

1:31

nine made for television version. and

1:34

let's just say I would like my

1:36

two hours back. Oh. So

1:39

there was Another

1:41

film version of this released in twenty

1:43

twelve, and it did star Harry Potter

1:45

himself, also Kieran

1:48

Hines, who If you are

1:50

fan of HBO's Rome, he was Caesar.

1:52

He's been in, like, almost everything.

1:54

You you would recognize him, but I

1:57

couldn't find that streaming for free

1:59

anywhere at the time when I picked this.

2:01

So I said, let's do the nineteen eighty nine

2:03

film. And I think

2:06

the other one is streaming

2:08

now on Pluto TV.

2:11

You can watch it with ads, but it's free.

2:13

I watched it today actually, and

2:16

and now I am sad that I picked this

2:18

one as well. So

2:21

so wait, did Both of you watched

2:23

the one two, and I just

2:26

didn't No. I haven't seen the Radcliffe. Oh,

2:28

okay. I was just sort of

2:30

looking forward to watching it. I watched the trailer

2:32

for it. And I was like, oh, interesting. Next.

2:36

Yeah. I'll I'll talk a little bit

2:38

about that later. Okay. So this is

2:41

this is, like I said, a a television horror

2:43

film as directed by Herbert

2:46

Weis. And the

2:48

screenplay was Nigel Barry

2:50

British. It's based on or it's adapted

2:52

from the nineteen eighty three novel of

2:54

the same name by Susan Hill, It's

2:57

kind of wild that they got a whole novel out of

2:59

this story, but here you go. One

3:01

of the most interesting things about this

3:03

is it premiered on Christmas Eve

3:06

nineteen eighty nine. Oh, yeah.

3:08

And then they did not show it

3:10

again for, like, five to six years.

3:13

Mhmm. And people were like, was

3:15

that? because people were freaked

3:18

the f out by this picture.

3:20

There is one scene in particular. I think that

3:22

did it for people -- Yeah. -- would get to that

3:24

a bit Yeah. I I think I know it's what

3:26

you're talking about too. Where

3:28

were you gonna say, Derek? I I was just gonna say, I'm trying

3:30

to put myself in the nineteen eighties

3:32

mindset. You know, we hadn't seen

3:34

all these crazy things at the time maybe

3:37

we had. Was

3:39

it more effective then, I guess? And and that

3:41

information kinda helps me. Like, I know what scene

3:43

you're talking about and Okay. Yeah. They're freaked

3:45

me out too, but mostly because my speakers

3:47

couldn't handle whatever sound. They were

3:49

pumping through it. And it sent like, inflow

3:51

sound my direction. I don't know. It did something

3:54

audibly, that that rattles problems. It

3:56

rattled something. Yeah. I

3:59

think you're right about putting yourself in the mindset

4:01

at the time. I mean, everybody's

4:04

gathered around the fireplace and

4:07

Christmas Eve -- Mhmm. -- you know,

4:09

Santa's gonna come that

4:11

night. The kids maybe are in bed, but

4:13

maybe they're staying up. Just, you know,

4:16

everybody's basically on vacation.

4:18

Everybody's just kinda chilling, relaxing with family,

4:20

and then this thing comes on the frigging

4:22

TV. And it's like, oh,

4:25

well, this looks like a fun time. Maybe we should

4:27

watch it instead of, you know, miracle on

4:29

34th Street or scrooge

4:33

if they could get that on TV time. I think

4:35

that was like a year earlier. But

4:37

anyway, people turn this on the TV, and then

4:39

it's like, what are you gonna do now?

4:41

You're gonna be awake for the rest of the

4:43

year. So

4:46

I think it is. I think it's the mindset and

4:48

the, you know, people used to tell scary

4:50

stories around Christmas time around the winter.

4:52

Solstice. So Yeah. Back I was gonna say back

4:54

in the day that was sort of a thing. And

4:56

it's referenced in what

4:59

song is that? Bing Bing Crosby.

5:02

treatment of a white Christmas maybe, where he

5:04

references ghost telling

5:07

ghost tales by the fire or some man that

5:11

it's in the back of my head. What about those? That file

5:13

doesn't get open for another month and a half, so I

5:15

don't I can't remember off the top of

5:17

my head. one of them references

5:20

scary ghost stories and something

5:22

from barrels of the glories.

5:24

Here you go. We're getting -- Yeah. -- three grown

5:26

men who figured the song out. I'm not helping

5:28

in this scenario, so good

5:30

luck you too. Yeah. That's it anyway.

5:33

The other point being they used to tell Go story is

5:35

Christmas Eve. I I can see that. That sounds

5:37

like a very Nordic thing

5:39

to do if that makes any sense? Sure.

5:41

Sounds Nordic. So anyways, let's let's

5:43

go through the plot a little bit There's

5:45

not a lot to it. Hold on

5:47

one second. If if if if if you

5:49

don't mind, gentlemen, I mean, if it pleases

5:51

the court If it pleases you guys.

5:54

Now, you guys run your

5:56

paranormal podcast. I, of course,

5:58

have a pop culture podcast. So

5:59

this is movies are more my realm.

6:02

So what we do on Xignace every

6:04

time we talk about a movie is we go over

6:06

the tomatoes. So I looked at the rotten

6:08

tomatoes for this and German. I

6:10

don't know if you did, but I would like to

6:12

quiz YouTube on what

6:14

do you think the tomato

6:17

score is for the for this movie?

6:19

Mhmm. Eric, I'm gonna go

6:21

with you first. Now, I'm talking tomatoes.

6:23

The the actual viewers

6:25

not the audience score. You can guess both,

6:27

but I'm going with how fresh of that tomato.

6:29

Am I making some sun dried tomatoes for

6:31

my sandwich? Or are

6:33

those going into compost?

6:35

Well, let's start with a made a

6:37

remake of it, so it had to have been somewhat

6:39

successful. It's

6:41

stuffy and British, so I feel like that gets

6:43

it a couple notches right there. I

6:46

I think it's surprisingly high. I'm gonna say,

6:48

like, forty four percent. Forty

6:50

four percent of rotten tomatoes. So that

6:52

would be a certified rotten

6:55

tomato. That's higher than it

6:57

needs to be. Okay, David.

7:00

I'm trying to put my myself in the

7:02

mindset of reviewers that hopefully

7:05

take into consideration the time period

7:07

that came out I'm gonna say sixty three percent.

7:09

Okay. Alright. Alright.

7:12

So with that being said,

7:14

gentlemen, and you, dear listener,

7:16

one hundred percent alpha five

7:18

reviews on tomatoes by reviewers.

7:21

it's got a one hundred. We're being

7:24

trolled is what you're saying. One

7:26

hundred percent. One hundred. Now

7:29

audience score over a thousand reviews

7:31

seventy eight. So We don't

7:33

have that sleep really. I

7:35

know. Now as the comparison, the

7:37

remake with with

7:40

action superstar Daniel Radcliffe.

7:42

Don't know what action movie he was on to get that

7:44

title, but Guns a kimbo.

7:46

Yeah. Swiss army man. with Sarbanes

7:48

here. Harry Potter and with some or

7:50

another. Sixty

7:53

six percent Torrance, on

7:56

Tomato meter for the remake,

7:59

fifty four

7:59

percent audience score. So definitely, apparently,

8:02

the remake did not

8:03

was not the critical darling

8:06

that the original was with its solid

8:08

one hundred percent from five reviewers.

8:10

So what does that tell you? nostalgia

8:12

goes a long way when it comes to

8:14

films. Yeah. I think you're right. It it's

8:16

kinda surprising. I feel like the newer one

8:18

was not bad. I would actually

8:21

suggest people watch both.

8:23

Just but but we'll get into that. Let me

8:25

Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I wanna take that moment because,

8:28

like I said, It's always something fun to see

8:30

where everyone else lied with these

8:32

and see if we're in the minority, the

8:34

majority, or wherever. Anyway,

8:36

sounds like it didn't get enough eyes on it to

8:38

make a competent

8:40

score. Anyways,

8:43

alright, so The plot is

8:45

there's a solicitor, a

8:47

London solicitor named Arthur

8:49

Kid. He goes to a

8:51

coastal town because

8:53

there's a an old widow

8:55

who has died. She's

8:57

reclusive. She lives in this estate,

8:59

this mansion that's out

9:01

on the sandbar. Like, it's on

9:03

a little kind of island

9:05

that's only accessible when the tide

9:07

is low. And if it's a you're saying

9:09

that they asked to get to. Yeah. Yeah.

9:11

It's called Eel Marsh

9:13

House. Eel. So it's already,

9:15

you know. already

9:17

firing on all cylinders. Are you guys fans of

9:19

Mighty Bush since we're talking about

9:21

English media? Are you familiar with Mighty

9:23

Bush at all? new.

9:25

I've liked what I've seen, but I haven't seen a

9:27

lot. I've been a huge fan of that for a long

9:29

time. My my roommate will who worked on

9:31

the film with us. David, he had to

9:33

go to London for work one time and

9:35

he came back with a DVD of the Mighty Bush

9:37

and I was just hooked from them. But anyway, say that

9:39

because there's that whole episode about

9:42

Eel's and they're, like, cockney. Yeah.

9:44

Something's all up inside you. Yeah. That's the

9:46

one. Yeah. So I I don't know. Yeah. I know

9:48

that whenever somebody mentions heels, they can't

9:50

help but think of the musical

9:52

number of that of that episode, but adventures

9:54

where I had heels of

9:57

Inside Yeah. That's a good that's a good catchy

9:59

song. If you if you guys could find Mighty booj, I

10:01

highly recommended it. It is stupid, but

10:03

it's pretty entertaining. Yeah.

10:05

Apparently streaming on Hulu. Hey, you

10:07

go. There you go. Continue. Sorry. Didn't mean

10:09

the derailleur. So that's alright. He's

10:12

the the setting is nineteen twenty five

10:14

and this guy,

10:16

Arthur Kid, he's kind of a he's

10:18

a lawyer that works for this firm.

10:20

He's trying to make partner, but he's a little bit

10:22

to friendly

10:25

with the help. And that doesn't

10:27

mean sexual. I that that

10:29

means that all the paralegals

10:31

and people who work for the lawyers

10:33

he's buddies with. He he treats

10:35

them like human beings. And the

10:37

peep the partners of the firm don't like that.

10:39

And there's this one stodgy old d

10:41

bag who is like, if you want to

10:43

succeed here, stop talking to

10:45

the help. Like, stop

10:47

being such a nice guy basically.

10:49

And he's like, if you want to

10:51

further your career here, we need you to

10:53

go out here and take care of this

10:55

old widow's estate. you know,

10:57

out in the middle of nowhere, Yale Marsh

10:59

House. And he's like, alright. I'll

11:01

do that. You know, I'm I'm a company

11:03

man. So he goes out to he takes a

11:05

train out to this place. It's a

11:07

it's a very small coastal town

11:09

again, and there's not much going

11:11

on. He shacks up at a

11:13

a little in pub

11:15

kind of place. And everybody,

11:17

whenever he's like, oh, I'm here from

11:19

London. I'm gonna administer the the

11:22

last will of this old widow,

11:24

everybody starts throwing in these glances.

11:26

And you can tell right

11:28

away there's something going on. people are

11:30

like, oh, that plays,

11:32

that woman. Maybe

11:34

you should, like, move on with your

11:37

life. Maybe you shouldn't be here. It's

11:39

a classic moment in every horror film where the music

11:41

stops and everybody puts their drink down and

11:43

turns and looks at him like, he's going

11:45

where? Like, you gotta do what?

11:47

Yeah. I think there are she was a moment

11:49

when I'm not trying to jump ahead, but the

11:51

one moment where he's like, I'm gonna go back out there.

11:53

The people staying behind them when he turns,

11:55

they all like act like they're not paying

11:57

attention. Yeah. Even though

11:59

they're they're literally standing right

12:01

behind them and he saw them turn

12:03

like, oh, no. wait,

12:06

David, before you continue, can I point something

12:08

out? Yeah. I noticed throughout the film and

12:10

this is the first point that I wanna get

12:12

at. It reminded me a lot of other

12:14

films and other stories. And this

12:16

whole section was very dracula

12:18

to me. You know,

12:21

Varga going to Transylvania, Parker.

12:23

Sorry. Parker. Going to

12:25

Transylvania to to to deal

12:27

with Dracula's estate and all this

12:29

stuff. I think he was property in England

12:31

or something, if I remember, right, what -- Yes. --

12:33

something Abby. It's been a while since I've

12:35

read it or seen the movie. But it

12:37

was a very dracula esque the way

12:39

it all kinda played out. And even the

12:41

scene where he was in with the boss that

12:43

you were talking about, he was talking down to him. Like,

12:45

don't talk to the help. clean

12:47

yourself up. He had, like, baby vomit on his arm

12:49

or something because he's he's a

12:51

family man. That reminded me of

12:53

the opening sleepy halo, Tim Burton Sleepy

12:55

halo from nineteen ninety nine. And

12:57

it it it made me think that it might

12:59

be inspired because it's Tim Burton,

13:02

of course, seen this movie. Like, there's no way in

13:04

hell he hasn't seen this movie, like, on

13:06

loop probably. And just the way

13:08

the framing of it and the way that

13:10

the, I don't know, the the partner,

13:12

whoever was talking down to our main character,

13:14

the way he communicated, it was all

13:16

just very sleepy hallow esque where

13:18

Ikebog cranes that beginning courtroom

13:20

scene where he's like, I I need to dissect the

13:22

body. I need to have a look and see how he

13:24

was murdered, how he was killed. And he's

13:26

like, nana, we're gonna ship you up north

13:29

to the scary place. You have no

13:31

idea that's in mind. You have no idea what's

13:33

coming. It's a good call. It does have a

13:35

lot of trappings of of other

13:37

stories and it it doesn't really

13:39

veer away from that either

13:41

because he gets to the house It's

13:43

it's creepy, but it's

13:44

just because it's a big old

13:46

place that hasn't really been taken care of because

13:48

this widow's been invalid and she's been

13:50

taken care of by a it's basically a

13:52

was a hospice for her for years and

13:55

he has to go outside and, like, crank

13:57

the generator to get electricity,

13:59

but electric it's like one of the only

14:01

places that has electricity around

14:03

there. So that was interesting. But at

14:05

one point, he's outside, he's

14:07

out front, and it's foggy is

14:09

all get out and he hears

14:11

this awful crash

14:14

of like a horse and buggy

14:16

carrying a family and there's screams

14:18

and it's just harrowing, but

14:20

he can't see it. And

14:22

he can't run like, he he tries to

14:24

run out to see if he could help but he

14:26

ends up stepping in the marsh because

14:28

he can't see the road. It's too foggy.

14:31

And so then it all goes quiet. And he's

14:33

like, what the hell just happened?

14:35

Well, this keeps happening to him. He

14:37

keeps hearing this crash and these screams

14:39

in the fog, and

14:41

he never is able to see anything

14:43

happen. It's just sound of it. So

14:45

he's already freaked out. Jeez,

14:47

there's there's a lot of little details. I don't

14:50

wanna get too deep in on this,

14:52

but there's a room that's locked

14:54

that he can't get into. There's

14:56

no key will work that cut and that

14:58

comes into play eventually

15:01

where he hears

15:03

what is it a a thumping sound in

15:05

there? Mhmm. Here's a thumping

15:07

might hear a kid kid

15:10

giggling or something. And anyways,

15:12

he he gets, I guess, angry enough

15:14

that he can't figure out what's

15:16

going on, that he grabs an ax,

15:18

runs back to that door, and it's open.

15:21

And he's like, okay. And he opens the door,

15:23

and it's like a child's playroom that's

15:25

pristine, has not been touched.

15:28

and maybe there's a rocking chair, rocking,

15:30

or the well, a ball falls,

15:32

like, from the ceiling or something rolls

15:34

to him. And then he hears

15:36

a voice. Right? Yep. Yeah.

15:39

Little girl's voice. Little

15:41

boy's voice. Oh, a lot of voice voice. I thought it

15:43

was a girl's voice. I I thought it was a girl

15:45

for the longest time till he pointed out

15:47

that It was a boy

15:49

later on. It was Bart Simpson's voice,

15:51

so it's both. He's not a cow

15:53

man. But he used this this voice,

15:55

and then he gets freaked out, runs

15:57

away, And then when he comes

15:59

back to that room, it's like trashed,

16:02

completely torn up, very

16:04

poltergeist desk. like, from the -- Yeah. --

16:06

from the movie pull through guys.

16:08

You're you're missing one very important part that I thought

16:10

you guys should bring up immediately. This

16:12

guy essentially invents podcasts.

16:14

Oh, yeah. He finds it.

16:17

He finds it at what do they call it?

16:19

A phonograph or whatever? WAC cylinders. He

16:21

had the with the wax cones, and he just

16:23

records his voice in the first he's goofing around and he's

16:25

like, well, welcome to monsters among

16:27

us. He just starts his own podcast

16:29

essentially, or he's narrating

16:32

what's going on, and it's a pretty boring show, honestly.

16:34

But he finds

16:37

these codes that were created by

16:39

the widow Uh-huh. In

16:41

previous time, which kind of fills in

16:43

the casting. She was left as

16:45

in her first. Yes. And she had a much better

16:47

program than he did. The

16:49

quality was through the roof. She had

16:51

only murders in the building. Yes.

16:54

Exactly. So I thought that was

16:56

funny. And therefore, he starts hearing all these

16:58

sounds. I'm like, idiot. You have the only

17:00

recording device in the country. Go take it

17:02

outside and record this sound. But

17:04

he doesn't. Yeah. There's a lot of lot of decisions

17:06

that I I don't think I would have made.

17:08

But what he's doing is he's going through all

17:10

the the papers and the effects and stuff to

17:12

try and did

17:14

do the legal proceedings on

17:16

how they can sell it and, you know, the

17:18

last will, all that stuff. But he he's

17:20

also, like, what happened to this woman in

17:22

her family because it it there's just

17:25

weirdness in the town with how

17:27

they treated her and what they how

17:29

they talk about her. And he

17:32

finds out that

17:33

her child

17:35

was killed in an accident,

17:38

and it ends up being the

17:40

one that happened out front.

17:42

Right? That that the buggy went

17:44

down into the parking lot. Yeah. And

17:46

no one no one helped them or,

17:48

like, there was or

17:50

this no. k. Okay. Wait. Let me back up. It wasn't the woman whose

17:53

house it was. It was her sister.

17:55

Right? I didn't get that, but

17:57

possibly. I think I

17:59

think it was jeez.

18:02

It it gets a it's a

18:04

very slow movie, everybody. It

18:06

it kinda got convoluted at the end.

18:08

It's very slow. Yeah. It's it's

18:11

very slow. I think it was

18:13

okay. I think it was her sister, gave birth to

18:15

a child out of Weblock. but she

18:17

wasn't able to care for it. And this woman

18:20

instead adopted it, couldn't have

18:22

children, I believe, so she adopted a

18:24

child, which was this child. which

18:26

was her her sister's child. So it was she

18:28

ended up with her nephew. Everyone's tuned

18:30

out by now. You're gonna fix

18:32

it. So, like, forget about the movie. They've

18:35

to none of this show. I I like how David

18:37

has also not pointed out all of it. There

18:39

keeps on appearing this woman in

18:41

black that -- Okay. -- he only

18:44

see. everybody can

18:46

see can be can the

18:48

Bostani kids see? And I'm saying Bostani instead

18:50

of the other word they use. And if you're a D

18:52

and D player, that's a deep preference.

18:54

a deep cut. You're welcome.

18:56

Yeah. Yeah. There's some there's some there's

18:59

a sprinkling of racism in the town. That's

19:02

it. From the traveling folk

19:04

that might have set a person anyways.

19:07

Yeah. One more thing. So the

19:09

the sister was mad

19:11

that that she couldn't have her child. So

19:13

she tried to escape with the child one day,

19:15

and that's when they they got caught by

19:17

the tide. They they died.

19:19

and Nemo's violent carriage

19:22

crash in history. Into a

19:24

march. Yeah. In the longest duration

19:26

history. saw fleshy march. They're

19:28

crashing for a good thirty seconds straight.

19:31

Yeah. He sees when

19:33

he gets to the town, he see he he

19:35

attends this woman's funeral There's nobody there

19:37

but him and, you know, the priest or

19:39

whatever and one guy who's helping him

19:41

get set up. He sees

19:43

this woman in a

19:46

black dress like morning material,

19:48

you know, morning down off in the distance.

19:51

Like classic she

19:53

doesn't have an umbrella, but she might as well be standing in the

19:55

ring at this funeral overlooking

19:58

it. And then when and then something

19:59

somebody screams something he looks over

20:02

and when he looks back, she's not there

20:04

anymore. Classic is. He keeps he

20:06

keeps seeing her. She keeps showing

20:08

up at one point in the Marsh He

20:10

finds a little graveyard. She's there.

20:12

She starts walking towards him and he freaks out

20:14

and runs away. So yes. Thank

20:16

you for for bringing her in thank you

20:18

for bringing the title character

20:22

into this plot. I'm trying to get

20:24

to It's easy to forget her though because she

20:26

would show up and then just disappear.

20:28

Like, there was no just resolution to any

20:30

of the scenes that she was in. Did he run out of

20:32

the room? Did she disappear? Like, what

20:34

ended up happening? Can other people

20:36

see her? Sure. yeah. Right. It seems

20:38

like it's just him. The whole

20:40

town kinda had that vibe. Like, he would

20:43

ask other characters questions

20:45

and they just flat out, wouldn't answer them. They would

20:47

just respond with something else. They're like, oh,

20:49

it's getting dark out. He asked the

20:51

one guy can't remember the question. We asked him

20:53

a question. The guys had passed the salt.

20:55

Like, it was so abrupt and

20:57

so obvious that he was trying not to

20:59

answer him. So the whole time, I thought, well,

21:01

is our main character a ghost and

21:03

this whole town is still alive or vice

21:05

versa. The whole town is a ghost. I was

21:07

given it way more credit than it really

21:09

deserved. I thought this plot was

21:11

much deeper. At a certain point, I

21:13

thought for sure that the

21:15

carriage wreck was his wife and

21:17

two kids coming to visit him.

21:19

And he was hearing from the

21:21

future, I guess, like a haunting from

21:23

the future. because he had two kids, and I

21:25

couldn't tell from the wailing

21:27

going on in that accident, the the sound

21:29

that you keep talking about, if there was one kid

21:31

or two, or how many people were

21:33

involved, Like, I thought the one was a a

21:35

girl, actually. The little

21:37

girl was screaming, but it was apparently a little

21:39

boy. Either way, I thought that was what was going

21:41

on, and I was thinking, oh, let's kinda clever, but they

21:43

didn't do any of that. None of that was

21:46

done. How did this be in, David?

21:48

I'm sorry. I'll let Zinger make it. No.

21:50

No. No. I I kind of was

21:53

wondering that too, I'm like, is this, like,

21:55

foreshadowing of what's gonna happen

21:57

to his family? Yeah. That's

21:59

terrible.

21:59

Exactly. Is this clever? Is this, like, what's is is

22:02

that what this is and well, you

22:04

know, also that dog that So

22:06

this that's what I think the

22:08

the movie actually got interesting. It's

22:11

so slow. But one

22:13

of the guys that helps him

22:16

that, like, picks him up from the train station

22:18

and helps him out in the town, he's

22:20

got this little dog and the dog's named Spider. I

22:23

I like the

22:25

explanation. Hate the name.

22:28

Yeah. It's it's, like, a red hair or

22:30

something. Right? Like, yeah. Yeah. They could see

22:32

explains it's, like, oh, it's it's, you

22:34

know, all all hair and legs.

22:36

And I'm like, I'm like, okay,

22:38

great explanation. Still ain't the name.

22:40

And then he's like, do you wanna borrow my

22:43

dog? Yeah. He's like, take the

22:45

dog with you. You need company at

22:47

that house. And I'm like, what

22:49

are you doing, man? This is

22:52

a recipe for disaster. Who

22:54

would lend out their dog? There's no way he's

22:56

coming back to you. I'll I'll never get that

22:58

dog back. I'll spoil it for everybody. The

23:00

dog is okay. Hit the dogs

23:02

survive. So that's that's

23:04

kind of my, like,

23:06

litmus test for movie. Everybody survives

23:08

you in this movie, though, honestly. The only person

23:10

that dies is the widow. Do

23:14

you remember the ending? No.

23:16

Did you fall asleep? And

23:18

they fall asleep on sale anyways.

23:20

So I forget something. As soon

23:22

as the dog goes with him to to spend

23:24

the night with him, the movie gets good.

23:26

That's unfortunately about three quarters

23:28

of the way through. He has

23:30

more supernatural stuff having to him at the

23:32

house. Basically, at

23:35

one point, he goes to

23:37

bed and he's

23:39

awakened by the sound of this

23:41

voice of this kid. This

23:43

might is this at the house or is it in town at

23:45

that point? No. The second time was at

23:47

the end. The second time he heard here's

23:49

the voice is at the end. Yeah.

23:52

I think he might have been finds a soldier under the pillow,

23:54

I believe. Yes. I think he

23:56

might have had a nervous breakdown. Been

23:59

taken into town. He's resting at

24:01

the the fighter's owner's

24:03

house. And then he hears he

24:05

hears the kid and it wakes him

24:07

up and then he feels under his

24:09

pillow and there's this little soldier,

24:11

this little tin soldier, whatever, which

24:13

he keeps finding other places. He keep yeah.

24:16

He keeps showing up in places which is

24:18

creepy. That's a fun thing. But

24:20

then all of a sudden the kid talks, he's

24:22

like, oh, what? Why are you doing

24:24

that? Alright. And he's like, what's

24:26

your name? Who are you? and then the scene

24:28

happens where this woman

24:30

in black just

24:32

shows up floating above his bed

24:34

bug eyed just going

24:37

And

24:39

it is

24:41

that for a solid very, etcetera.

24:44

It's two minutes, if it's

24:46

a second. that

24:49

sound was exactly what it sounds like. Only

24:51

crank the ball is creepy.

24:54

Yeah. It it is it's creepy, and it's funny

24:56

because she's she's doing

24:58

nothing but floating there and bug

25:00

eyed and close-up on her

25:02

face. And then, man, that's all

25:04

you need. because it was it's

25:06

creepy. And that's what has stuck with

25:08

people all these years, I think.

25:10

Anyways, he he absolutely

25:13

loses his mind. he's sent back to

25:15

London. He recuperates. And then

25:17

he's he's just scarred

25:19

because he finds that that toy

25:21

soldier in his briefcase. He

25:23

burns the lawyer's

25:26

practice down or at least his office. He

25:28

burns his practice all the stuff

25:30

from the woman in black's house

25:32

including her original podcast

25:35

thing. Very old since she did. Oh,

25:37

yep. Lost the history. Yeah. Wanted

25:39

to nip that in a bud

25:41

And and sorry. I'll let you finish

25:43

with what happens now. And then he

25:45

he returns to his family.

25:47

They're like, let's take it let's

25:49

take a Let's go out boating on the on the

25:52

pond. I forgot about this,

25:54

but he sees the woman

25:56

in black and a tree falls on them the

25:58

end. On the water. On

25:59

the water. They're in the boat. There's

26:02

the woman in black standing in

26:05

the water. like Jesus, and

26:07

then the tree falls on them. They spent all their budget

26:09

on that. They spent all their budget understanding

26:11

out there a guarantee. Like the

26:14

Medadron poll. Like the

26:16

Medadron from dogma.

26:18

Deep Kevin Smith cut, you're welcome.

26:20

I am going deep into the not I'll I'll

26:24

I'll I'll Rickman's character and don't

26:26

sit there. That's my reference point for

26:28

that. what was said in reference to? Oh,

26:30

who's standing on the water? Oh, okay.

26:32

Yeah. because he he did that too in the movie.

26:35

Not in the movie. So the movie

26:37

ends with the entire family

26:39

dying. Here's the here's the point

26:41

probably should have made earlier. I'm all over

26:43

the place. Whenever anybody

26:45

sees the woman in black, a kid is

26:47

gonna die. That's what

26:49

the town is so up in arms

26:51

about because I think they're all kind of

26:53

like keeping their heads low and

26:55

trying not to piss her off. And

26:57

then all of a sudden, he comes

26:59

to town he starts seeing her and they're all

27:01

like, well, crap. Now what if our kids are

27:03

gonna die? Thanks. Yeah.

27:05

And they were hoping that would be one

27:07

of the Vistani kids. and almost

27:09

there. He saves one of one of

27:11

them from a cart, falling on

27:13

it, or something. There's a lot of

27:15

legs falling off of the

27:17

cart on different placements.

27:19

Yeah. And a bigger log falling to

27:21

where the kid was. Yeah. But

27:23

he's he saved this this

27:26

this trolled AAA

27:28

Romani child. I think that's how we

27:30

Romani. Yes. Romani. Yeah. Romani. That's

27:32

how I've referred to it in the past. I'm

27:34

just gonna keep saying Vosani.

27:37

for the

27:37

DND reference. That's

27:39

this

27:39

film. It affected people. How

27:42

did it affect you guys?

27:44

It affected me big time.

27:47

I had a had a busy day today. And

27:50

looking back, it affected me a lot

27:52

because I could have had that time

27:54

back. Like, you could literally condense this film into,

27:56

like, a five minute short. It

27:58

might be effective. It's

28:00

basically what's the best

28:03

way? It's season one of unsolved

28:05

mysteries, the world's longest

28:07

reenactment. That's what you're watching right here.

28:09

And the

28:11

budget the budget's super low, the acting's whatever,

28:14

the story's pretty

28:16

bad, the effects are pretty bad. Like, there's not

28:18

really a redeeming factor other than

28:20

nostalgia. if you watch this when you were ten

28:22

years old at Christmas time, you

28:24

probably love this film quite honestly.

28:26

But having watched it now at whatever

28:28

the hell old what am I

28:30

forty something? There you go. It doesn't it doesn't

28:33

land. It doesn't land with me now. It's it's

28:35

just too dated and it's just too slow

28:37

for me. And there's too many accents.

28:39

Like, what is this a blurry

28:41

photo's episode? Like, I don't know what's I'm not

28:43

like half these people are talking

28:45

about. Like, the same sentence even. In

28:47

the same sentence. And and there's all these different

28:49

British accents. Like, you get Cakni, you

28:51

get the other ones that I

28:53

can't remember. I

28:56

usually can. That's that's a

28:58

movie we should do. Snatch. You can see Snatch. That's

29:00

a Yeah. Yeah. It has a British movie

29:02

there there. You know what I guess?

29:04

Like dogs. You mean dogs.

29:06

Yeah. Like dogs. Anyway,

29:09

I I don't know. I Like

29:11

any film, I appreciate that they did

29:13

it. It's a ton of work to get a film

29:15

done of any caliber, but

29:17

man, it's dated. It's a dated film.

29:20

I if if my only redeeming thing

29:23

is there's nice little moments with the sound

29:25

effects when it's not blowing out your

29:27

speakers from just being overdone.

29:29

Like him putting on the the wax

29:31

cylinders and stuff had like I was like, oh,

29:33

man. Sound effects on that are cool. And

29:35

then my speakers blow out a few minutes later

29:37

from just something happening. I'm like,

29:40

never mind. That could be because it's on YouTube as well.

29:42

I mean, I have to think that. Yeah. Yeah.

29:44

This is on YouTube. You guys can watch it

29:46

at your leisure. by the

29:48

way, for yourself a favor. Turn on closed caption

29:50

because not even the closed caption

29:53

knows what's being said. there

29:55

were several times where the dog was referred to

29:57

as Spider Man for some reason.

29:59

And you know why?

30:03

Also, the where

30:05

where the dog goes and runs off and he's goes spider. I

30:07

was like, is he scared to spider? Oh, right.

30:09

Dog's name. Dog's name.

30:13

Like, I had so much anxiety once he

30:15

borrowed the dog. I'm like --

30:17

Yeah. Yeah. -- give the same back.

30:19

Like, you ran off. Yeah. It's not

30:21

gonna go to Marsh. I'm like and I wrote a

30:23

note somewhere. I'm like, I knew this was gonna

30:25

happen or did something like that.

30:27

Like, don't let people

30:29

borrow your pets. That's rule number three or

30:31

whatever. Sure. Breeze.

30:33

Maybe it's a British thing. I don't know.

30:36

Sure. But they were talking about how much they

30:38

love this dog and always the

30:40

greatest. I'll just take them. We don't need it.

30:42

Right? I'm hung up on that for

30:44

some reason. not even a dog guy, and I'm still

30:46

hung up, but the dog was okay. So He

30:48

was okay. I would I was the smartest one

30:50

that he filmed. He ran he ran

30:52

immediately. I'm in hell out

30:54

of here. brand all the way home. Yep. I actually have a

30:56

question for you guys, and I kinda touched

30:58

on it with some of my theories as to what's going

31:00

on. But if you were to forget

31:02

the remake, let's say you're going to remake

31:04

this film today. What would you

31:06

add to it? To to bring it into

31:08

modern times, I guess, the best way to

31:10

put it. what would you add or subtract? Or how would you change the

31:12

story to make it more

31:14

interesting? I can't really

31:16

answer that after having watched the remake

31:18

because I think they did a lot of stuff

31:20

that I probably would have

31:22

done myself like crank up the

31:24

creepiness factor crank

31:26

up the children creepiness factor,

31:29

have the woman be more of a

31:31

character in it than just appearing

31:33

like a handful of

31:35

times even including the time where she's just screeching with

31:37

her bug eyes. So

31:40

once I get into a little bit

31:42

of the remake, I I think you might agree

31:44

too, but I'm interested, Zinger. What do you

31:46

think? Well, how would how would you do it? So

31:49

something that bugs me in this and other

31:51

like horror movies, stuff like that, especially

31:53

ghost pawnings, is

31:55

does the main character deserve what

31:57

happens to them? I

31:58

don't think this guy does. Like

31:59

he's a

32:00

good family man who's just trying

32:03

to do the right thing here. Now

32:05

his boss, if the boss were

32:07

going out there, yeah, he deserves that

32:09

everything happened to him. But that's the best

32:11

thing that bugged me about this is I'm like, this

32:13

guy did nothing

32:15

to deserve the outcome he gets

32:17

aside from just do his job

32:19

and wanting to resolve this situation.

32:21

And there's no, like, warnings of,

32:23

like, you know, the

32:25

the I don't know why this is sticking in my head

32:28

for some reason. Sometimes

32:30

dead is better. Like like like something like

32:32

someone I mean, they yeah. They all wanna say don't

32:34

go out there, but there's no one that's

32:36

like just leave it alone. Don't

32:39

III just feel human him

32:41

being the focus of the ghost ire

32:43

is an undeserved thing. Maybe

32:46

have him be unfaithful to his wife

32:48

in the remake. Maybe have

32:50

him be the one who's mean

32:52

to the employee. Like, make him an

32:55

unlikable character so the outcome is

32:57

kinda like deserved instead of

32:59

just guy did guy guy

33:01

did a good thing, bad thing happened to

33:03

him in the end. Don't know why I broke in

33:05

the caveman explanation, but there you

33:08

go. That's

33:08

that's all I would do it. I would want the character

33:10

to deserve the outcome. On

33:12

a solid ground

33:12

up. Nah. You're

33:16

pet bed sanitary. Definitely. That's a movie

33:18

we should do, guys, bed sanitary. No.

33:20

It's only making that.

33:23

There is. There is.

33:25

I I don't

33:28

disagree with you, Justin. But at the same

33:30

time, like, maybe his quote

33:32

unquote sin was choosing workover

33:35

family because he comes home

33:37

and Well, let's let's back up the the

33:39

boss. It's like, you gotta go do this thing at this mansion

33:41

on the other side of England wherever it

33:43

is. You have to ride a train to get there.

33:45

It's fire away. And he's like, you don't have a choice.

33:47

If you wanna move up in this firm, you have to

33:50

do this. And he's like, but I got a wife, I got a

33:52

kid, blah blah blah. And then he goes home, we

33:54

find out he has a nanny for starters. So what's he

33:56

even doing? There were some weird

33:58

stuff with a nanny. But His

33:59

boss blames him for having kids.

34:02

by the way. Do you guys catch that? Yeah. He

34:04

was like, if you if you wanted a career, you

34:06

shouldn't have had a family or something like that, basically.

34:09

he home, tells his wife, well, I gotta go out of town

34:12

for a week. Like, good luck with you and the

34:14

nanny. Like, she'll be fine. But and

34:16

they still get sit there anyway even

34:18

though they have a nanny. I don't understand the whole

34:20

nanny thing. It's a British

34:22

thing. It's a British thing. Mary

34:24

Poppin. The more I'm talking about it, the more

34:26

questions popping head because he comes home with the scene. And then

34:28

the little kids, like, the nanny pushed me, and

34:30

then nanny's, like, no, I didn't. And then the parents

34:32

looked concerned at

34:34

each other and then never came

34:36

up again. Like, is this an abuse of

34:38

naming? Like, what's happening in this

34:40

scene? But anyway, the whole point of

34:42

what I'm getting at is The boss knew about

34:44

this haunting, and he sent him there

34:46

so that the boss didn't have to go. Yeah.

34:48

So he was kind of that unwilling

34:52

victim And then the choice that he made was he chose his career

34:54

while furthering his career in

34:56

this instance, at least, over his family.

35:00

and that would be the quote unquote sin that I would

35:02

compare it to. But it's it's a British

35:04

horror film, so I feel like everything's like

35:08

water down a little bit. Not -- Yeah. -- no no dig on

35:10

the British whatsoever, but it's

35:12

it's especially an eighty nine Made

35:14

for TV British movie. It's pretty dry.

35:18

Let me tell you what they did with the with the remake.

35:20

It's almost a completely different story.

35:22

Basically, it's the premise of

35:25

a solicitor having to go

35:28

to Yil Marsh House to

35:30

administer the final will

35:33

of this widow. that's the

35:36

same. Everything else is

35:38

basically different. The woman in

35:40

black in that is much more

35:42

hands on. She is like out to get

35:44

kids. There are tons

35:46

of kids that have died

35:49

one of them, Harry Potter plays the the

35:52

solicitor in it. In

35:54

this one, he is a single

35:56

parent. His wife has died

35:58

in childbirth. So he's

35:59

stuck in alone and and has a nanny

36:02

to hell. That's how every horror movie starts.

36:04

So we're off to a good start. Yeah.

36:06

Disney movie. Yep. He is not

36:08

as Joville and stuff

36:10

as a lawyer as this

36:12

other one. In fact,

36:14

the the lawyer and this was

36:16

like, you need to get your act

36:18

together. You're

36:20

like failing. So go do this or you're

36:22

fired. And he's like, okay, I'll do this and he

36:24

gets there. And basically, the

36:26

town from the get go is

36:28

like get

36:30

out. we don't want you here, especially

36:32

knowing that you're gonna go to this place

36:34

where this woman's been taken

36:38

our kids. And at one

36:40

point, he's like at the

36:42

police station and and a few kids

36:44

come in. one of them

36:46

is, like, sickly, and then she

36:48

just vomits blood and

36:50

dies in his arms.

36:52

No. Because she has she has ingested

36:54

lie. There's another part where

36:56

there's a fire. He comes into into

36:59

town. There's a fire in a house. He goes

37:01

there's a kid in it. still. So

37:03

he busts in. He's like, I'm gonna show everybody that I'm not here to

37:05

mess with them. I'm here to help. He

37:07

goes into it and

37:10

the kids standing there with an

37:12

oil lamp in her hand surrounded by flames, the woman in black

37:14

is standing beside her looking at her and

37:18

she just busts this oil lamp at her feet and goes

37:20

up in flames. The kids

37:22

are basically drawn

37:24

to death.

37:26

when they when this woman is around, she, like, causes

37:28

them to do things they wouldn't do. Sounds like a much

37:31

better much better movie. I liked

37:33

it a lot better. it

37:36

wasn't, you know, it wasn't perfect by any means. There's a lot of jump

37:38

scares that are kinda corny, but

37:41

it's much much more of

37:43

a horror film along

37:45

the lines of what's happening these days, what's

37:48

being made, you know, what we're more used to.

37:50

I think Harry Potter does a great job in

37:52

it. Oh, wait. Wait.

37:54

Wait. Wait. Since there's a lot more

37:56

standard we have here.

37:58

Does one of them get punted

37:59

out the

38:02

door? or any like, because because we established from what

38:04

was it, La La Rona? Yeah. Yeah. Dude,

38:06

do I give him get get just

38:10

yeded? I

38:10

don't think there's a single yeat in this one.

38:12

It's the first movie of all time. The kid

38:15

does yeat blood from her

38:18

mouth at one point. And then one of them eats an oil lay

38:20

up at her feet so that she goes up.

38:22

So but no no

38:24

kid no kid themselves

38:27

gets heated. I don't think. But they do separate them

38:29

at some point, though. Don't they put them in

38:32

different groups and like a like a hat

38:34

decides which group they

38:36

go into? Didn't

38:38

that

38:39

happen? Wrong movie.

38:42

Oh, sorry. Wrong

38:45

Daniel Rags, but movie. Pat decides I had to

38:47

throw Harry Potter joking there somehow.

38:50

Actually, I got a fun fact.

38:52

Okay. That

38:54

can wait. that can wait. So one one big difference

38:56

in this is that Daniel Red

38:58

Cliff's character is like, I'm gonna

39:00

help this ghost.

39:02

I'm gonna do something to get her to stop.

39:04

He literally goes out

39:07

at night and

39:10

goes marsh diving. He he dives into this

39:12

swamp. And it's like

39:15

it's basically tar. It's like

39:17

all this gross mud he

39:19

gets Julius Caesar to to get in a

39:22

car and pull out this

39:24

carriage from this marsh. And

39:26

he gets the body of the

39:28

dead kid that is this

39:30

woman's son, and he, like,

39:32

takes it home, cleans it up, wraps it

39:34

up, puts it in the nursery where

39:36

where it it, you know, it used

39:38

to live. Can I ask what state of decomposition this body's in

39:40

at this point? It was pretty good. It

39:42

was still pretty good. Like, you still

39:44

foresee facial

39:46

features. Okay. And I you

39:48

know, that happens with bugs. Like, bodies that get put in bugs kinda get preserved.

39:50

They turn them like black though. Right?

39:52

I mean, it was It

39:55

wasn't to quite to that stage. It

39:57

was decomposing, but it was still a

39:59

kid. You could still do the

40:01

details I need. how deep how deep composed was this

40:03

body we're talking about. Oh. So he

40:06

basically invites the woman in

40:08

black to collect her

40:10

kid or to be like, we're gonna

40:12

bury the kid. Everything should be fine.

40:14

And the woman in black shows up,

40:16

screams at him, and

40:18

then disappears. And then he's like,

40:20

okay, that's it. We're done. I solved it. And so

40:22

he goes back to the train station.

40:26

Now here's the parts

40:28

that's completely wild. The maid

40:31

and his son show

40:33

up there in this town at the

40:36

train station to take him

40:38

home.

40:40

Why? So he's talking to

40:42

Julius Caesar The kid wanders

40:44

off, gets on the railroad tracks,

40:46

train comes, Harry Potter

40:48

jumps down, grabs the kid. Daniel

40:50

White Cliffs sees the woman in black.

40:52

watching him as he jumps down to get the kid. And then the

40:55

next scene, the kid's like, Betty, who

40:57

is that woman there?

40:59

And he's like, Oh,

41:01

that's mommy. And he goes up to the to

41:04

this woman, they hold hands and

41:06

walk off down the tracks. So obviously,

41:08

obviously die, but they

41:10

are reunited in debt. He hooks up

41:12

with the woman in black. No. No. No.

41:14

This was his wife. All the way.

41:17

He's on the tracks. So -- Yeah. --

41:19

the woman in black used is there before he he gets hit

41:21

by the train, and then it ends

41:23

with the woman in black staring

41:25

at the camera. as

41:28

she watches them. I'm sorry. I've I've I've got the

41:30

summary here. Apparently, she watches the

41:33

Happy Family reunited. She

41:35

doesn't mean she and then she looks at the camera, breaks the

41:37

fourth wall. So Harry Potter and the Kid die and getting

41:40

hit by the train. Yes.

41:42

But they are reunited

41:44

with the They're reunited with us. Gotcha.

41:46

So it's kind of a Macab happy ending.

41:48

Her wedding. He dies

41:50

a lot in his movies. It's better

41:52

than the eighty nine version, I think. There

41:54

was a lot more to it. It's

41:56

not perfect, but it they did, I

41:59

think, what that original movie did not have, which was

42:02

crank up the creepy factor,

42:04

make the woman in black much more of a

42:06

character in

42:08

it. much more hands on

42:10

and there were a lot more, like, you

42:12

know, he goes into the kid's room and the the

42:14

rocking chairs, rocking on its own, and

42:16

then it just stops. there's a lot of, like, dolls

42:19

in in the new one that and

42:21

they got the jobst, creepiest

42:24

faces. So, you know, there's a lot of little details that are in

42:26

in our zeitgeist in the horror genre

42:28

now that are added in. And

42:32

I think do make it better in a position. It sounds like they upped the

42:34

atmosphere, which wasn't really a neat thing

42:36

because if you think about it,

42:38

beetlejuice was a year older

42:40

than than jerk woman in

42:42

black. And that thing's full of

42:44

atmosphere. It's kinda ten Burton

42:46

esque, but it's still atmosphere. Like, it's it was a

42:48

concept back

42:50

then. It's it's a strange decision not to include it. I mean,

42:52

and maybe they tried, but it seemed like they

42:54

just used the location as it. It's like

42:56

it wasn't Yeah.

42:58

It wasn't like they really tried to spice it up any. I mean, sure they filled it

43:00

with fog, but that was also part of the storyline. Like,

43:02

they needed that fog in there. So

43:04

nitpicking. But Yeah. So

43:07

anyways, so that's that's the

43:10

woman in black. I keep out the lady

43:12

in black. It is not it is the woman in

43:14

black. She was not a lady. I

43:16

don't know if this was your

43:18

fun fact, Zinger or not, but

43:20

a little bit of irony, the

43:22

dude that played the lawyer in the first one

43:25

was James Potter in the Harry Potter

43:28

films. Harry Potter's Dad.

43:30

Yeah. Life imitates art comes

43:32

full circle. The world turns again. Yes.

43:34

That that that that was my point. Pretty interesting though. I thought Harry Potter's dad

43:37

was dead. That was not the point he was an

43:39

orphan. No. No. No. But but, of course, he

43:41

places dad when he's able

43:43

to see his dad of course magic. Oh,

43:46

his dad shows up. Yeah. He's I've only

43:48

seen the first Harry Potter and there was no dad

43:50

in that one. I don't think wise

43:52

I don't remember this one. This is dead of two one. I'm just

43:55

quoting this of the doctor for the tone. Okay. That's what I

43:57

believe you. That's when they're famous for

43:59

the Mark's of the tone. No.

44:03

It's floss first stone and then sort floss

44:05

first stone ing when sorcerer's stone in America. There

44:07

we go. Yeah. Like Harry Potter came

44:09

to America. Yeah.

44:12

God, this is the forementioned story. modern day story.

44:15

It happened after the it's the

44:17

last it's the testament of

44:20

of Harry Potter in America. Come on. I showed him in Missouri.

44:22

Harry Potter in letter day saints.

44:25

That's alright. Harry's in

44:30

the church a lighter day saying, oh, man. This is gonna be It's a new testament

44:32

to Harry Potter. It's a brand new

44:35

episode. Actually, this

44:38

fun another fun fact. This is actually based

44:40

on a book. So interesting.

44:42

Oh, wait, we

44:43

said that earlier. Yeah.

44:45

A novel. Yeah. Apparently a whole

44:48

last novel.

44:50

In the book, however, they

44:53

are killed when a when with a

44:55

horse and buggy collection, which I

44:57

guess was just too much to add I

44:59

mean, to to put in the film because instead,

45:02

they just had a pretty fall on them. Three French. All

45:04

on them in sync about. I would

45:06

have loved to have seen this epic

45:08

horse collision. The buggy would have

45:10

been cooler.

45:12

Just just just Somebody yielded a kiss.

45:14

Exactly. This is two horse

45:16

characters just slamming into each

45:18

other for thirty seconds of

45:22

greeting. You know what's funny, and this has nothing to do with anything

45:24

other than what you just said, Justin.

45:26

But where I where I grew

45:28

up in Ohio, the very first

45:32

They call it an automobile accident, but they don't mean

45:34

they don't mean cars. They mean, like, horse and

45:36

buggy. A guy got drunk and was

45:39

riding his buggy home and flipped

45:41

it and they rolled over and popped his head off.

45:43

And it was the first ever

45:45

fatality in a automobile

45:47

or in a can't remember a vehicle or whatever. I don't know how they word it,

45:49

but there's like a little plaque in this little village near where I

45:52

grew up. And every time I go by there, I'm

45:54

like, that's like the the very first death in

45:56

Ohio based

45:58

on automate not automate I keep saying automobile, but it was

46:00

a horse and buggy that killed him. So whatever word

46:02

they used vehicle, I suppose.

46:05

but that's my two bit. I have nothing

46:07

to offer on the film, so I

46:09

just Final thoughts

46:12

are, hey, guess what happened in

46:14

Ohio this weekend? This one happened in my

46:16

hometown two hundred years ago. Zinger,

46:18

what are your final thoughts for this

46:20

one? The fact, this movie both has a sequel in book in

46:22

movie form disappoint me to no end.

46:24

And as a fact they

46:26

exist, I don't have any

46:27

interest in seeing

46:30

them. overall, I like

46:32

I said, I don't think our

46:33

main character deserves the

46:36

the the

46:38

terrible torment and death to god. I did like him joking out

46:40

his boss randomly and burning half of

46:42

his sperm down because we lost it.

46:44

Yeah. He lost it. I

46:48

I also like how the fireman starts yelling at

46:50

him for murder the place down

46:52

too. It it was a different

46:54

time or Fireman could walk

46:56

into places and start yelling at people for,

46:58

why'd you do this? And I was like, oh,

47:00

that's great. I fireman said what

47:02

I wanted to say though, the

47:04

guy's throat let me fill everybody in really quick. He's going through this

47:06

trunk that arrived from the woman in Black's

47:08

house, and he's like freaking out with every

47:10

item he pulls out. He's looking for something, I

47:12

think, but I didn't it the

47:14

plot. So he's throwing papers

47:16

and papers and throwing them toward the fireplace,

47:18

not in it, toward it. And then they're all,

47:20

like, hanging out onto the carpet and onto

47:22

the floor And he's like, good

47:24

enough. And he douses it with some flammable

47:26

liquid. I can't remember what you're seeing probably.

47:28

That's what I'm seeing there.

47:30

No. No. It was I

47:33

can't remember. They say in the film and it's something that's

47:35

not normally used in Spanish. T.

47:38

Petroleum. Yes.

47:40

Petrol. It was petrol. Petrol.

47:43

So anyway, so he, like, covers all

47:45

these financial documents with this

47:47

flammable liquid and just lights it up and the

47:49

carpet's on fire and, like, just stay on there

47:51

looking at it, and he's other putting it in the fireplace. Yeah. And then he's like, oh, the

47:53

trunk. So he douses that thing and flanges it

47:55

and throws it on the ground, and he

47:57

doesn't even bother. and

47:59

then the whole thing burns down. It's and the whole time I'm yelling at him,

48:01

what are you doing? You're gonna cut your whole

48:04

office on fire, and I guess that was the

48:06

point. He lost his

48:08

marbles. No. that

48:08

that is a fun question. Was he

48:10

crazy the whole time? Because I pointed out that that

48:12

the e o manor

48:14

whatever burned down too, And

48:17

did he destroy all the stuff in the kids

48:19

room? Looks like we know how he was trying to die.

48:22

ask. Oh. He was

48:24

struggling to let him know. in

48:26

the fireplace. He doesn't know how to use a fireplace. This is the problem.

48:28

He doesn't know how to use a

48:30

fireplace. He's just like

48:32

fire me. for

48:35

a caveman ask of you

48:37

today, Justin. That's like twice

48:39

too. You are. It was

48:41

just leave a shirt. Or.

48:43

Is it my turn my turn for my opinion? Yeah. Did you get

48:46

your final thoughts out? This is what happens when the

48:48

films are I'll

48:50

say the word boring for lack of a

48:53

better term, but makes it hard to do these shows. Like, it's hard

48:55

to talk about these sometimes because it's like, what do

48:57

you talk about? Like, I don't wanna harp on all

48:59

the bad things this thing did

49:01

because it is thirty something year thirty three years old

49:03

or whatever. Ugh. Oh, yeah. It makes you

49:06

shiver just to say

49:08

that. But know,

49:10

you don't wanna rag on the whole thing the whole time, but at the same time, like, there

49:12

really wasn't a lot redeeming about it.

49:14

Like I said earlier, it could

49:17

have been boiled down though a ten, fifteen minute short, and

49:19

I think that would have been

49:21

boring, honestly. I see why they did

49:23

a remake of it. has

49:25

meat on the bone where you can add to the

49:28

story and it has that nostalgia to it.

49:30

So I understand why they would take that

49:32

gamble. I'm anxious to see the

49:34

new version of it even though David

49:36

just gave the entire plot away for us.

49:38

I I might spoiler

49:40

alert, by the way, guys. No.

49:43

That we're done talking about. III don't know. If

49:45

if you have a boring night and you have

49:47

your phone out and you're drinking some

49:49

beer or something, maybe

49:52

put it on in the background just to see what we're talking about, but certainly

49:54

don't run and watch this film. I

49:56

tend to agree. This is such

49:59

a slow burn. You you

50:02

really have to be

50:04

committed to watching British

50:06

made for television films of the

50:08

eighties and to

50:10

make it through this thing. It's so slow.

50:12

And I do think that the newer version

50:14

does a much better job of cutting

50:16

to the chase and getting to the stuff that's

50:19

juicier and just more interesting

50:21

all around. I don't I

50:23

guess that the story ends better in the

50:25

new one than It's kind of weird because

50:27

in the in the old version, the

50:30

woman follows them to London.

50:32

She's not

50:34

stuck in this little seaside town -- Mhmm.

50:36

-- which is kind of a weird ghost rule

50:38

breaking, I think. But it

50:42

is very hard to watch

50:44

if you're not actively

50:46

trying to be like, oh, let's let's just see what

50:48

this is and, you know, I'm gonna make a

50:50

point to watch this whole

50:52

thing. So take that as you will. I I guess

50:54

that's not a great

50:56

endorsement of

50:58

this thing. But at

51:00

the time, I think it's what

51:02

interests me the most about it is

51:04

that it was so

51:07

well received and went straight to legend

51:09

basically when it when it aired. And then because it

51:12

wasn't re aired until, like, five

51:14

years later, it

51:17

it added to the legend. And I think that's why it occupies

51:19

such a place in people's hearts, and

51:21

the nostalgia really

51:24

rings true for them. So

51:26

if you're gonna watch it, watch

51:28

both, compare them, you know, if

51:30

you got the time.

51:32

And if not, you you could take

51:35

a pass if you want. That's my fault. That

51:38

one scene, you can find the one scene.

51:40

If you just type in the woman in

51:42

black, that scene. You know the

51:44

one I'm talking about. That probably would get to

51:46

would pull it up for you

51:48

and turn your speakers down to about

51:50

twenty percent of them down before he hit points on that because I mean, this

51:53

they make the sound that Jim Carey makes

51:55

in Dum and Dummer is exactly what

51:57

I was just It's

51:59

exactly the south.

52:02

It's exactly the south. I guess the new

52:04

one was successful. They

52:06

say it grossed a hundred and thirty

52:08

It's getting good. Worldwide. So that's probably what a forty fifty million

52:11

dollar movie, something like that. I would guess.

52:13

I would guess. That might be

52:15

a little hard Yeah. I I

52:17

think it's very well made the new one. I

52:19

don't know if it's necessarily

52:22

great. But Fifteen to seventeen

52:24

million box office hundred and twenty

52:26

seventeen. It was only seventeen

52:28

mil. That's good. That's a good

52:30

return. Yeah. In reality, it's

52:32

probably ten

52:34

ten million more than that, so it's still a really good return, but they

52:36

always fudge those numbers a little bit.

52:38

So that's that's the woman black

52:41

thanks for listening to this roundtable.

52:43

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52:46

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52:48

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53:59

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