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I welcome to episode one sixty six

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with Emily Wise Band. We've never met

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before, which is weird

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because we know all the same people I know, we have

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we have literally really close friends that, um,

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we've never met. I asked Mike. I said, I've never met Emily before,

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and he said, I think I saw her once. So it's

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like you're a like a unicorn

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running around town.

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Take it. Welcome, Welcome to the house,

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to the ship. Look your faces up on a big wall. Oh

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my god, that's crazy.

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I have. I was going through some notes about you, because

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again, I only know because I know you and Lauren

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you are, we're good friends. Lena and

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she would she when she would come over, and Laura and

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I've been on the road a lot. She's like, yeah, he's one of my best friends.

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And so that's really how I knew you. And then Nicole

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Galleon, so yeah,

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I think that's that's that's who it is, like you should know Emily.

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So I never did it. So I was like, Mike, book Emily, and

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as I was looking at all your songs, here's I

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don't know you were irritated by this, but I was irritated

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for you, and I don't know the story behind

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it, so you should tell me how you feel about this this Bryan

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saw that you that you sing in you're

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not on the track, no, like

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I didn't write it. No, you're not on it,

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No I didn't. But but you sing

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on it. You're not a background vocal, but

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you're not on like Luke Bryan featuring

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Emily Wise mantlin. I'm not listen

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how prominent you are here in cause you haven't ever heard

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this. Start

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the clip over a little bit too. I

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mean this this too, and listen. I love

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Luke. He's one of my dear friends. We do American I altogether

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we spent and probably wasn't his call.

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But back in the day, flow Rider had

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right round and Kesha was on

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it and they didn't credit Kesh at all, and I felt you

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got a little kesh it in this one. How did you feel about

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that? I didn't feel anything about it. I don't think

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thankful to be a part of it. No,

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I really mean it. I'm not like a I

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don't know. I just like but if you just sting

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that much and not beyond it, not even as

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you're you irritated, it's odd

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that you would sing that much and not be featured on the track. Well,

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it wasn't in the plan for me to sing on it,

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because what happened was, um,

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so Jason Sellers, you know Jason,

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So, like I want to say, it was four or five years ago.

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I just signed my publishing deal and he was like,

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hey, will you come sing a demo for me? And

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I was like, yeah, sure, why not? So I went, I sang the

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demo, and then the engineer on the session at

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the demo, I ended up engineering

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a lot of stuff for Luke Bryan with

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Jody and Jeff Stevens. And so when

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Luke put out crap what was the

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EP called? It was like farm,

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Yeah, I think so, and it was the You Look Like

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Rain song. So they

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called the engineer like they were looking for like a female

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presence on that song, and they called me because

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the engineer was like, oh, this girl did this demo

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for Jesus Sellers an like to voice and

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so well that's how I talked when I'm impersonating

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other people. So he was like,

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um, they called me. I went in

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and just saying something like background vocals

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on You Look Like Rain. And then when

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it came time for them to cut hungover in a

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hotel room. They called me again and said,

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Hey, I think we're going to get like a

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pop feature or something on

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this song, but we would love if you came in

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and sang in the girl parts so that whoever

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ends up singing it can hear how it goes. So

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I was like, okay, yeah, sure whatever. So

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I went in and I just laid it down. It wasn't

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like a big deal, and I was like fully

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expecting for them to just like somebody

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else was going to re sing it. And then they called

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me one day and said, Yo, we're just gonna keep you on it. Are you

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cool with it? And I was like, oh, yeah, sure, why not? It's

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my only point was and you know my point, and

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you know I would

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have expected that's a lot, right. Well,

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it's like fun. I love little things where like

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nobody knows it's cool that I don't care.

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Well, I

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don't even know you as an artist, Like I don't do have

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music. Do you put out yourself? No, I just signed a

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record deal like six months ago. Really we'll

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get to that because I know you was a songwriter, but

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that was as I was going through stuff. That was what I saw. I was

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like, I wonder if she's irritated or I wonder if she is

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not at all all right, I can say I'm on

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a song with Luke Brian and like it's not I don't know.

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I think it's cool. Let us you

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wrote sway with Daniel You're

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right with daniellet

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I thought this song kind of got screwed over a little bit. I

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thought I got cut a bit early. Yeah,

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I thought it was a jam. Thank you. You

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and Daniel are friends, Yeah, really good friends.

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She's like a little sister to me. Turn

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it up a little bit, like she's

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one of them. Whenever people ask me a lot of

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times they'll say, hey, who are the best singers?

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She's incredible and she's

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her. And you

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can probably add to this too, because you're around a lot of these

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artists and everybody comes mostly everybody

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comes by my room, by my studio and sings and performs. Shay,

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if I were to make a top three or four

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and it's tough, he's unreal, but it's Shay

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from Dan and Shay. Lauren

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would be up there, Danielle

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would be up there and

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like, someone, let me make Stapleton can really sing, but his

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is so distinct and that makes him one

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of But I would guys pure vocalists

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like who who do you? Who am I missing? I would put Danielle,

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Shay and Lauren up there. Yeah, I

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mean, I think the cool thing about country

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music is that everybody. I love artists.

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When you can listen to them and you're like, whether they have

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runs for days or not, it's like, oh

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and that's so and so, Like you

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can tell just about best vocalists vocalist

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pure vocal Carrie, Say Carrie, I

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mean carry like alien, I say, with carry wants and I was

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like, what, this is not even real? Well, yeah,

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she's so amazing. But I personally

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am a fan of people who have like cool

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voices, Like I love ray Lyn's voice. I

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think it's like a cool voice. But you didn't give

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me a chance to pick cool voices. I just said

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best pure vocalist. Best

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pure vocalists I think are cool.

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I mean she is incredible, Danielle is incredible.

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I love writing with Danielle. I loved writing

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with Lauren so much because if you thought

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it, she could sing it, you know what you mean. So it

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was like you wrote next Boyfriend with Lauren R.

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Why do you laugh at that. No, it's just like

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so long ago. It's like I kind of

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forgot and so we said it. It

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was probably five years ago. It was like when

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I first signed my publishing deal. Lauren was

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like the first I'm

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so grateful for Lauren. She was like the first

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artist. She really let me into her world. So

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she really let me in there. And I'll always be super

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grateful for that because I

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learned a lot from writing with her about

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being a writer. So what's it like? Um?

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And I wrote a kids on with Lauren on my kids record. Yeah,

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and I because and I had to sing,

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and I'm not a good singer. I'm gonna I can sing funny

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that That's about it. But Lauren would sing

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and she would write, and she would see she did. I was like, Lauren,

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I can't do that. You gotta right back into where I can sing.

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Because she was so good just even writing. Um

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yeah, Lauren so good? Um? What

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was my point? Where was I going with this? Remember?

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I feel like I had something good to say? Always

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pretty good? Camelbao,

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you wrote consequences? I did? Yeah? I

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mean, youna get so paid for this one? Right? Um?

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It's a pop hit. I mean it'd be really cool.

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But yeah, I'm amazed. I've

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already even made it to the radio, so I'm just happy to

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have it up there. Do you know where this is on the pop chart something?

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Right now? It's on the start now. I think it peaked

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at like in the

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early I

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don't know, like twelve paid

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for that? We would you write? That's

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a bonus with a bonus, it's

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like your work. Yeah, But like, I just love

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what I do so much. I'm really not shooting

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you, like, I really just like and

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me too. I love what I do, right, I love but

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I should get paid too because I'm creating

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something that people buy and you do

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and it's great. But you're gonna get so paid

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for that song. I mean I wrote it with Nicole

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yal And and and Amy Watch Whom? How

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do I? Amy Watch what else? Amy wrote? Thinking

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out loud by Edge Hearon. She's like this dope

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lady. She's got like covered in tats, like

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short, cool hair, a couple of kids like super

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chill. It was really really cool.

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Reminds me of like Laura Belts. Yeah, she definitely

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has like a British Laura Belts vibe.

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How do you get involved in a write like this kind

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of out of this Nashville world. M.

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I guess you trip and fall into it. I.

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Um, I don't know how we got hooked up Amy. I

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write with Nicole a lot. I love writing Nicole.

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She's one of my faves. And so, um,

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my sister probably is pretty good at making me the

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shittiest writer in the room. And your

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sister because actually works with

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you. She does. Yeah, she um

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manages me and she is

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the VP of my publishing company that I'm signed

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to you, So um it's just

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so cool having somebody like that in my corner all

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the time. Um. But

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yeah, I got set up sorry with Nicole

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and Amy, and I almost didn't go that day

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honestly because, UM,

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I'm like, tell all, queen, I'll

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tell anybody anything. You can ask you my deepest

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starker secret, and I would probably tell you right now. But

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um, I just some stuff had gone down

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the day before we wrote that. I just have

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you ever been in a blind rage? No?

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Well, I it wasn't a blind rage. It was like

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a blind shame. I was really ashamed of some stuff

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that have happened that I had happened the day before,

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and so I almost

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didn't want to go because I knew

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my big fat mouth the second I opened it,

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I would tell them everything. And I

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was like this that one thing I'm not telling

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anybody. So, um,

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I remember I went in at like noon

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or one. It was like an afternoon, right, and

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I had never met Amy and neither in Nicole,

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and we go in and um,

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they started talking to each other like Hi, nice

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to meet you, blah blah blah. So I

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have this one idea and da da da, and they're going through

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it and I'm just sitting there. I remember staring at these piano

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keys, like there's no way in hell I can

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stay here, Like I can't

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write today, this is not going to happen. I'm like

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praying to God to get me out there, like the

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power go out or something. I'm like about

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to text my sister to tell her, like to

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call me in thirty and like she's

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stranded on the side of the road. I gotta go get her.

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And um, I just started praying. I'm

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like, God, get me out of here. And I can't tell these

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girls like what's going on with me?

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And I just heard these three words in my head and

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like I'm not a hippotie deputy person. But

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like I definitely they definitely weren't

10:24

me, and I do believe in something

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bigger than me happening all the time. So I

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just heard these three words and it was be a writer,

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and I thought, freaking ship because

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now I have to tell them, because that's what being a writer

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is, you know. It's like sacrificing

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your pride and your privacy to like say

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what other people can't. And

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I'm a total like

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my shame isn't my shame, it's like

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everybody's shame. And I just kind of lived that way

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like with everything, you know. So

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um, I was like, guys, I wud to tell you

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something, and I'm like

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I saw having my eyes out. Amy probably thought

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I was a freaking nut. Soell, Nicole

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is just like it's that gay. And I tell them and I'm

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like, I have this idea, but like we don't have to write it,

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like don't write it out of pity, Like I

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don't want this to be a pity, right, but I have this idea

11:12

of consequences would be like loving

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you with consequences whatever, And

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um, They're like, okay, we wrote the song in like

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forty five minutes and then we

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voiced moment it and I didn't think twice about

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it, and then, Um, at the time, I was

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dating another writer in town, Josh

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Kerr, So I was like, hey, babe,

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will you do this demo for me? Just

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piano vocal real quick? And he

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said sure, So I did it. I sent it to Amy

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and she called us like a week later and said, hey, I hope

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you don't I hope you all don't mind.

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But I sent this song to Ed Sheer and and

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I was like, no, I'm pissed to you, and she

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said he loves it but

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thinks his friend Camilla would die over it,

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and like, do you mind if he

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sends it to her? And is this Camilla's

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record before she kind of known as the solo Waters.

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I don't even know I Fifth Harmony had broken up yet,

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like we were. I was

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like, okay, cool, Like I knew about Fifth

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Harmony, but I didn't. I

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wasn't like super clud in to Camilla

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necessarily, so um

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or Camila, I probably just butchered that,

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but um, yeah, she ended up

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like recording it. And actually the piano that

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you hear on the cut is Josh's piano from

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the demo. Yeah, so,

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um so, how long from the day that you

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wrote it until you heard it

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fully produced with her vocal on it? It

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was probably Well,

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we wrote it Fall two thousand seventeen. It

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came out January two

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thousand No I'm

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an idiot, Fall two thousand sixteen,

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so January two thousand eighteen.

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It's like a year and a half. And it was

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funny because the first email we ever got about it was like,

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Yo, this is going to be single, and really, okay,

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that's what everybody said about everything. That's what I know. We're

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like, yeah, sure, And then for it to actually

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be single, it was really like a cool God

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moment for me because I was like, there's

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no reason that should be. It's the one

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song on the record that's a ballad number

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one and number two. It's

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like three

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writers from Nashville. I mean she heard it from them

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and then she made it her own. I mean she wrote on

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it and ended up totally making it

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her own. And it sounds

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like a Camille song because she put

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her her whole Camilla thing on

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it. But um, I don't know. Every

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time I hear it, I'm like, there's no way

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that should have happened. So I'm like, thanks, I

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think this one good in the shower. You sing

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it in the shower. The only play something good though well

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acoustics. Yeah, yeah, that's

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cool. So did you when you write a song for somebody,

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especially the pop world, you ever meet him? No?

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Not really. Here in town, you

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kind of see everybody av even

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if you don't get together, and and

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even if it's not a number one party that would

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be Some of my friends had only met the artist, like they a Keny

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song. They were like, only what's he Kenny at the number one party

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when he's doing like seven at once. But

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you know, it's a pretty small town, so you see everybody.

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But no, you haven't met Camelli yet. No,

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I haven't met her. So what I heard

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she's great and maybe someday

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that's the goal. By the way, um no,

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I'm kidding. Only has the chicklay cup. She hit me

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on Instagram. She was like, do you want chick? And

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I was like, no, I'm good. I might

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only showing up please, I don't want to show up empty

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handed. That's all right. Trisha Yarwood brought Tennessee

14:32

Whiskey over there, and so we just we just

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let it sit so you can leave your cup

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cool. I'll just leave it here in the decay, alright,

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degradable. How are you feeling about the um?

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You know the big and I mentioned getting paid because

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I think songwriters, I'm a big songwriter advocate

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for forget making money like

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create and get paid for it because

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other people are getting paid for it, Like you

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write it, you don't sing on other people are getting they're

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on tour. They're getting to sing it on tour and making a bunch of money

14:59

with tickets. And you can write a song like

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Consequences and she can make merch off of it, and

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this isn't a bad thing towards the artist. But they

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can take a song and make a hundred

15:08

thousand bucks off merch of a lyric

15:10

that you wrote and you don't get anything, Which is why

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I'm such a big advocate of songwriters getting paid.

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And so right now you're having the issue with Spotify

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and the streaming services that are

15:20

not wanting to

15:23

compensate songwriters to what songwriters

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feel is comfortable for them. Are

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you in that in those weeds at all? Um?

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Yeah, I mean I try not to like

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talk a ton about things that I don't know

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everything about. I'm the opposite. I talk a lot

15:38

about everything I know nothing about, so it's good we'll

15:42

balance each other out. The um.

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Yeah, but I of course I'm

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a huge advocate for songwriters. I love songwriters.

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Um. I spend my every day with songwriters

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and incredible ones who like have

15:54

these families at home and they get up and they

15:57

go down and they write music. And music is

15:59

everywhere. I mean, it's never going away. So

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I am like, yeah, I'm all four songwriters

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being compensated fairly. I'm

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not somebody who like I

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want to do what I can. So I

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definitely am starting to get more into the

16:17

world of like getting

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involved in the side of

16:21

that where something could be done about it and educating

16:24

myself about it and the whole thing. Um.

16:27

For me personally, I don't sit

16:30

it just in on like, not even

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in a political way anymore. I'm

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I'm talking about when I'm at home in my pajamas

16:38

on the couch, Like, am I stressing about

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it? And no I'm not. But

16:43

that's not because I don't care about it, because I like

16:47

do I think I'm not looking

16:49

at my bank accounts stressing out because I just have this

16:52

like weird and this is

16:54

a personal thing. It has nothing to do with the issue.

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Um, I just have this weird confidence

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that I'm going to be fine. And

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you live with your three sisters, I do,

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you're all splitting rent or mortgage? Yeah,

17:07

I mean for now, you know what I mean. It's the kind

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of thing where, um, I

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just I'm super tight with my family. We're

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all like single and flirty

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and fresh and we can.

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And I'm

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one of six kids. Five

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of us are girls, ones married with a

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couple, My brother lives up in

17:26

Virginia, and then the

17:28

other four we live here. Yeah, one

17:30

of them has a serious boyfriend, but the others were kind

17:32

of just you

17:34

know, riding the wave. What's up with your

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brother? How where was he born? In the

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Oh, he's the baby, he's the

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baby having babies until they had a boy.

17:43

I mean, I don't know if they were

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really thinking about anything but just doing

17:48

it. To be honest, five girls in a row,

17:50

like you gotta be I mean, well,

17:54

yeah, I will say my older sister, she's

17:56

my half sister and is from

17:58

my dad's hole back teenage days,

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so he was a nineteen and she's born. She's

18:03

amazing we're best friends. Um,

18:05

the other five of us that my parents

18:07

like, we have all of the same mom

18:10

Um. My parents had five kids in five years,

18:13

like to the day, so my brother and I

18:15

share birthday the oldest of the five.

18:18

Oh yeah, my parents loved doing it. They're

18:21

super in love. They're always

18:23

making out. He's a bail bondsman and

18:25

so like he kind of I was

18:27

all the time in the world, like when he's not. My claim

18:30

to fame is that I got invited to Beth Chapman's birthday

18:32

party when I was in high school. But dog

18:34

the Bonnie Hunter's wife with the big boobies,

18:37

So like, yeah, that was my total claim to fame. So

18:39

I grew up just around like jails

18:42

and stuff like that, and my dad kind of could

18:44

work whenever you wanted and so so what

18:46

are the bill body day? Like, Um,

18:50

well, these days is a little different. They're trying to end

18:52

bail. I'm they're trying to replace

18:55

it with pre trial. But growing up,

18:57

I mean, my dad, he was

18:59

just home when every wanted. The phone would ring constantly

19:01

and to be like, ha, I'd love to get

19:03

my husband out of jail. He was down at the Walmart

19:05

last night and blah blah

19:08

and the whole thing, and so um,

19:10

yeah, it was cool and it was funny because

19:12

like my dad would he'd go to the

19:15

jail, he'd put up the money and then he'd

19:17

come home or like usually get up in the middle of the

19:19

night and do it because a lot of people will get like duys

19:21

like at eleven PM.

19:23

So he'd be up at like three in the morning. But

19:26

always made sure he was home to take us to school because

19:28

he wanted us to learn the cost words from him, not on

19:30

the bus. Always made sure to

19:33

you know, be home for dinner and be at

19:35

all of our school

19:37

choir shows or whatever the hell he had

19:39

to be at. And so it was great.

19:42

But we'd come home and they'd be like random people like painting

19:44

the house or something, and I'd be like, Mom,

19:46

who's at She's like, Oh, somebody couldn't pay their

19:48

bail, so your dad just let him paint the house. So

19:51

like half of our house is stone, like

19:53

it's not finished, like half of its stone because

19:55

he let somebody like come and do

19:57

it. What happened, Only they

20:00

don't pay the bill. Oh that was like a big deal.

20:02

We'd come home and there would be like

20:05

a pink slip on our back door, and

20:07

we all knew that doubt was going to be pistoning out

20:09

home because the pink slip meant somebody skipped

20:12

court or whatever. So my

20:14

dad gets very passive aggressive about it. He takes to Facebook

20:16

and he'll post like their mug shots and be like, there's

20:19

persons a pub get them back

20:21

here, Like, yeah, I'll have

20:23

to tell you what that is off the microphone because it's

20:25

like three bad words in a row.

20:28

But let's see if we can figure out what you

20:30

want to I'll tell you pussy

20:32

as bit? Is that a common

20:35

term? No? Honestly, Like,

20:37

he never used that term. My

20:39

sister's boyfriend taught it to me. No where did you

20:41

grow up? Oh, Virginia? Okay, got it,

20:45

Virginia thing, but I rememb Virginia. No, no, no, no, I'd

20:47

be called it all the time because I am. It

20:50

is an urban dictionary. It tell

20:52

you. I actually didn't learn that one from my dad. It's

20:54

it's basically what he would say. His was a lot

20:56

more eloquent. He's like, I

20:58

learned that from my sister's boy friend, but um,

21:02

yeah, And he would just have

21:04

to go find him. We lived kind of near Quantico, so

21:06

like sometimes he'd hired a couple of marines

21:09

down at the base to like go find

21:11

somebody. Yeah one time,

21:13

Oh my god, this is so good. I found somebody one

21:15

time, Like my dad would be like, hey,

21:18

like this is the guy. Like, and I remember one

21:21

time we found like

21:23

I was somewhere and I saw their license plate

21:25

and it was like totally the dude, And

21:28

so I told my dad and we followed him, and

21:30

it was the whole thing. So you knew the license plate,

21:32

so you're on the lookout. Well not the lice

21:34

plate, but I know what the person looks like. So

21:36

i'd be around town. I'd be like, I think that's all. And

21:39

there was one in particular time where like I feel like we

21:41

followed them down to like and

21:43

it was like, Dad, we got him. Did you get the rewards?

21:45

Like the reward

21:48

was my dad not having to fork it up. And that's

21:50

what happens, right if they go away, Yeah,

21:52

they've never seen again. Your dad then has to pay the

21:54

full bail. Yeah, basically did you ever have to

21:56

do that? Um A couple of times? Yeah, p

22:00

ab those paths would

22:02

you say? I would probably say a paby. I

22:06

feel bad for seeing three bad words in a row. I do love Jesus,

22:08

but I also will totally say that whatever.

22:10

But also here's my thing on words. Right. Words

22:13

are just sounds, and if you take I agree

22:15

who made them bad? Right? And not only

22:17

made them bad, but your

22:20

location dictates what is bad.

22:22

Because if you get on your airplane and let's

22:24

say you fly east, do you fly over over

22:27

the Atlantic and you land in Italy? Right?

22:30

Are bad? Words are the same as they're bad? Not

22:32

like this means f off in London. What

22:35

you're doing two fingers for those that can't see, because

22:37

literally nobody and I

22:40

I'm not used to radio life yet. Bobby, you're

22:42

doing the peace sign basically, yeah, basically,

22:44

but when you do it with the fingers like facing you,

22:46

like the nails facing the other person. Because

22:49

somebody said, I was in London with my family for Christmas.

22:52

It's like our new tradition to go somewhere

22:55

instead of like buying each other a bunch of stuff that will

22:57

break or lose by February. So um,

23:01

somebody asked me if I wanted something. I forget what it

23:03

was, and I said, yeah, I'll take two. He said

23:05

no, don't do that. Don't do that. So

23:07

I learned the hard way, and which

23:09

is my point. Even hand signs where if you flip

23:11

the middle finger here and you go to let's

23:13

say you go west to Japan and a lot of

23:15

our English, a lot of our Western culture

23:18

has been adopted

23:20

by them. But still that is it's

23:22

not bad, they're they have different. So

23:25

my holding with Carsewards is who cares? It

23:27

just sounds we have an it's

23:30

our fault. They're bad.

23:33

So my grandma can't listen to

23:35

this now, So yeah, you still call your grandma.

23:37

I love my grandma. Text three yesterday some of the cutest

23:39

text and your grandma

23:42

listens to all the things that you do. Does she follow

23:44

you Instagram? She follows me

23:46

on Instagram. Facebook, you wanted

23:48

to less close? I'm not even kidding

23:50

you. Yes, I'm not kidding you. I've

23:53

had full on Facebook Ward, like my family has had

23:55

full on Facebook words about my outfit sometimes

23:58

because because she says

24:00

that I'll never get a grandma, I love

24:02

you so much and like, yes, you're

24:04

right, but like you

24:06

know what she'll say, like I'll never

24:08

get a Christian husband if I like am

24:10

wearing that which she's you know, she's

24:13

my grandma. I love my grandma. Is she

24:15

right? I mean like, Um,

24:21

I mean no, I don't think so. I think

24:23

I'm gonna end up with whoever I'm supposed to end up with.

24:25

Do you believe that everything is set out and

24:28

you must you'll regardless You're

24:30

gonna fall into the path. Um.

24:32

I believe that God

24:36

has a thing for my life, and I'm excited to see what it is.

24:39

I'm not like, uh,

24:42

I'm not like a soulmates person necessarily.

24:44

I'm not like I think there's a lot of people

24:46

who can make you happy, agree, And I have trouble with

24:49

thinking that already what's going to happen to me has

24:51

already decided because why so hard?

24:54

And watch the Madeleine mccainns. Like,

24:58

I believe that we create a own path

25:00

and hopefully we do the best with them. But

25:02

I just am not someone that believes it's all figured

25:04

out already. Yeah. I think that's like kind

25:06

of the beauty of God is like we

25:09

get to choose like what

25:11

we want to do, who we want to hang out

25:13

with. Like, I'm a big believer. I

25:15

don't like doing things when I feel like I have to do them.

25:18

I just can't put my whole heart into something

25:20

if I feel like I have to do it, Like

25:22

I want to be in a situation where I want

25:24

to, and when I do want to, I'm all

25:26

in and I'm like a percent let's go. Um.

25:30

But I think that's so that's why the people that I do

25:33

love, I love them because I want to love them.

25:35

And I think that's like a

25:37

cool way to love. You know, I'm not you

25:41

know the things I devote my time too.

25:44

I devote my time too because I want to or not because

25:46

I feel like I have to. And so I

25:48

think God's

25:51

that way too, even like he doesn't

25:53

want us to do things because we feel like we have to. I

25:55

think that takes the beauty out of loving God. I think that

25:57

takes the beauty out of um

26:00

just being on a journey that's full of joy

26:02

and peace and like, I don't know,

26:04

I think making decisions is

26:06

like such a cool part of being

26:08

a human being. So you don't believe

26:11

in soulmates? Um? No, because

26:13

what if you're done in India? Yeah, I

26:15

don't believe in So I think that there's like probably

26:18

several people in the world that I could have an incredible

26:20

life with do. I think like my

26:22

emotions and my do

26:25

I think like everything

26:27

is kind of gonna going to kind of collide when

26:29

it's supposed to, and I'm going to know.

26:31

Yeah, I do think I'll know when

26:34

it's like the person I want to be with. But like, I

26:37

don't necessarily think that there's

26:39

like one person out there

26:41

for me. I gotta go find him. I'm kind

26:43

of like doing my thing. It's like your dad searching

26:46

for exactly this

26:50

commercial break real quick. If you're waking up in the morning

26:52

and you go, I need more energy, or I just

26:54

wish I was in a better mood, or I want to be

26:56

more productive. It could just be all about sleep, right, And

26:58

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28:55

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28:57

on this one? Or no? Yeah? With her? All

28:59

right? Remember

29:08

when Hilary was that you know,

29:10

lady and Bellam I taking a break and she came

29:13

in and she was on my show. We're talking about

29:15

this record, which, by the way, you want to grammy? Right, Yeah,

29:17

do you have a Grammy? Oh? That's cool? Huh

29:19

where is it? It's in my living room,

29:22

prominently featured. Yeah, we take shots

29:25

out of it sometimes. Really. Yeah, it's a Christian Grammy

29:27

too. That's way. It's so funny. My

29:29

grandma took us shot out of it one time. My

29:32

cool grandma, you know what. And good for her, I

29:34

know, my grandma who doesn't always love my outfits,

29:36

but I love that we can have an open, honest relationship

29:38

about it. And good for you keeping it in the living room.

29:41

Yeah, I do. I keep

29:43

my mirrable. I know, I saw it. I walked in. I'm

29:45

gonna take a very trendy house, by the way.

29:47

Trendy. Yeah, it's trendy design like it's designed

29:50

very trendy. I change it every three months.

29:52

You do knock it down and build another one. Wait, are

29:54

you serious? Do you think you would knock down

29:56

the house every three months? Well no, I mean, but I do like

29:58

switch out stuff like every three months, like

30:01

somewheah, not like not down a house. Well

30:03

yeah, whatever. So

30:06

did you go to the Grammys when you want this? I did? Yeah.

30:08

My speech was awful. Wait,

30:10

so you got up and spoke? Was it? It wasn't on television,

30:13

right, Um? It was. It was like the pre telecast.

30:15

Okay, So so everybody's still there and you get up on the stage

30:18

and what do you hear? And went in the Grammy for

30:20

uh, I will Christian song is,

30:23

Oh my god, dude, I literally have it.

30:26

Yeah, I'll show you real fast. It's very accessible.

30:30

No, this is it? Oh

30:32

you have it? Okay, this is the audio.

30:36

This is I'm

30:38

called so bad,

30:43

so bad. Yeah I

30:45

did. And I had a cold and I was super awkward

30:47

and like cold and have to piece so bad? Yeah,

30:50

And I was holding my phone on the stage. I don't.

30:52

I looked down and I was like what

30:55

am I doing? And so I just kind of like

30:58

I think, I think Jesus after that? And then did

31:00

Bernie take it? So

31:02

you had nothing prepared? I had not,

31:05

even Anne, because I also don't

31:07

prepare for those award type things. I have to say something because

31:09

I don't want to. I don't even believe in the jinks,

31:11

but I don't want to take myself don't. So

31:14

I don't. But have a skeleton. You

31:16

have a skeleton of what you're gonna say, no, because I

31:18

find that when I plan what I'm going to say

31:20

about things before I say them, I come off very

31:22

fake, like I'm rehearsed,

31:25

and I just never want to be. I

31:27

don't know. I would just rather like go and wing

31:29

it and be myself in the moment, and you were absolutely

31:31

yourself. I was had and

31:34

Bernie take it away? Yeah, thank

31:36

you Jesus, Bernie take it away. I think it's what

31:39

it was. What about when

31:41

you came over here anything rehearsed and you want

31:43

You're like, oh, if I get into this, it's gonna be good.

31:45

All right, it's all like off the cuff,

31:49

Dan and Shay make or break. I'll hear this, well

31:54

record was this this last one? Are

31:56

you like holding on that? It

31:58

could be the next single. Things

32:01

are going to happen as they come. I

32:03

try not to get married to like ideas

32:06

or things

32:08

like that. It wouldn't be cool. They're

32:10

killing it. Would be cool. They are killing it. They've played

32:12

it, they play it live. I've been to their show and

32:15

it goes over great and they sound amazing.

32:18

I'm super super proud of them.

32:20

I mean, they just work their butts off. So

32:23

I'm just everything they have come into

32:25

them they deserve it. And I'm really really really stuck.

32:27

Do you hop on the road and right with people? I

32:30

have? Yeah, I haven't as much lately. Um,

32:33

I've been shifting my focus to tad Um.

32:37

Not completely but up to this point.

32:40

But I have and I really love it. I really

32:42

love it. That's where don't get a

32:44

bush? Have you? Have you been on the road right with

32:47

God? I think my first time ever on the road was Jane

32:49

Kramer. I'm pretty sure that was my first time. But

32:51

I would go with Danielle out

32:53

with Thomas Rhet, a bunch Um

32:57

and somebody else. I don't remember. Garth,

33:01

Yeah, totally. The crazy thing about

33:03

a road, like hopping on the road and riding with people

33:06

is that let's let's use t r

33:08

for example. You go with Tom Shrett

33:10

and you're riding and you're right all

33:12

day and then even though he's been writing, he

33:14

still has to go on stage into a full show. Yeah,

33:17

and he's written one, maybe two songs, because you

33:19

don't bring writers out not to write. Yeah, So

33:21

you'll ride and you have the rigs that up in the bus and you're riding

33:23

and you know he's probably not singing

33:26

fully, but he's singing enough inside

33:28

the right and then he has to go into a full show. Yeah,

33:30

it goes that's a full show. And then they'll get

33:32

off the bus and usually do like the vocal for the song

33:34

we wrote that day or something like that. Never

33:36

have any bus rides that kind of turned into cuts? Um

33:39

yeah, actually yeah I have. Um

33:44

So, there's a song on the Daniel Bradberry record.

33:47

I went on those. It was the Suits and Boots

33:49

tour when it was TR, Brett Eldridge

33:51

and Danielle and um

33:54

there's a song that Tr wrote

33:56

with me and Daniel on that trip

33:59

that ended up on her record. It's

34:01

called what Are We Doing? And then

34:03

um, I went out with Tr

34:06

another time and we

34:08

wrote a song. It's a duet and he

34:11

cut it and with his duet partner

34:14

and it just it hasn't come out yet, so

34:17

we'll see if it ever. Does you

34:19

say you've you've shifted your focus to what singing

34:21

like cutting a record? Yeah?

34:25

Yeah. I never

34:27

thought i'd do it. I never wanted to do I refused

34:29

to do it, and now I'm doing it. So I'm

34:31

like, you didn't want to. You

34:33

don't do things that you don't want to do.

34:36

Yeah, So that's why. Um So, I just

34:38

signed a deal with Warner Brothers and out

34:40

of l A. So it's a pop record, it's

34:42

not a country record. And

34:44

I what basically happened was back in two

34:47

thousand fifteen. This

34:49

guy Michael Zondo, Do you know him? I don't

34:51

know him. I know who he is. So Mike called

34:53

me, just cold called me

34:55

out of the blue. And it

34:58

was November of

35:00

two thousand and fifteen. And I

35:02

when I saw my publishing deal, I

35:04

had taken it out of like all that

35:06

language is like if she ever becomes an artist,

35:10

it'll be divided like blah blah blah.

35:13

Um. I it took

35:15

a little longer to get my deal done because we took all

35:17

of that language out. So we

35:19

actually had to redo my publishing deal when I started

35:21

talking to Warner Brothers about signing

35:23

a record deal. And um, because

35:26

I just I wanted to be a badass

35:28

writer. I just did. Like I

35:31

writing with other artists, I got to kind

35:33

of see their life, and

35:35

um, you just have to like

35:38

really love what you do to do it,

35:40

and because you hear know a lot.

35:42

And I just I like to be purposeful and what

35:44

I like to feel like I have purpose and whatever I'm doing.

35:47

So I just didn't feel purpose singing

35:49

songs. There's so much noise out there, and

35:52

like especially a pop record,

35:54

I just I just didn't want to add to the noise. Like

35:56

if I was going to make a record, I wanted to have a

35:58

point of view, I something to

36:00

say, and I just didn't feel like I had that. I felt

36:02

like my purpose was helping

36:04

other people figure out what that was

36:06

for them. So, um,

36:09

I just committed to it. And I was like, all right, let's go. I'm

36:11

gonna be the best songwriter ever,

36:13

let's do it. And um two thousand fifteen,

36:16

Mike called me and said, hey, my name is Mike. I'm not

36:18

a creepers this Emily. I'm like yeah,

36:20

and he said, yeah, totally,

36:22

it's good. It's a good first line. And

36:25

um, I I said, uh, hey,

36:28

what's up? Because I heard your voice on a demo and I want

36:30

to make a record with you, Like are you down? Like I'll

36:33

I'm an A and R Warner. I'll fly you out. We'll

36:35

like start just right and see if there's anything

36:37

in there. And I was like, it's really nice, but like,

36:40

I'm not sure that's my vibe. I appreciate it

36:42

though, And um,

36:44

I don't know everybody in my life who before

36:47

had been like yeah, artist's

36:49

life not for you, like making a record not

36:51

for you. Let's focus on writing. Um,

36:54

they kind of just started changing

36:57

their mind a little bit. It was all it was weird, like

36:59

it felt very divine, like how everything

37:01

kind of lined up. All the voices

37:03

I had trusted for so long started saying, hey, like

37:06

maybe you should go and just see if

37:09

there's anything in there. And honestly,

37:11

it took a year. I went two weeks

37:13

later. Basically I was standing on my

37:16

story going, I have no idea what I'm

37:18

about to meet or what I'm about to walk into. Um

37:22

was he a creep? Now

37:24

he turned out to be the nicest dude ever. He's

37:27

we're basically family now. Three years

37:30

later, and um, it took me like a year. It

37:32

was just like at night on weekends, I'd go to l

37:34

a like for a week or two

37:37

every six weeks and just

37:39

try to write songs for me, and

37:41

it just I would leave thinking, man,

37:43

any girl could sing that and it'd

37:45

be like cute, it'd be cool. But I

37:48

I hadn't written anything. And then I had this really

37:50

slutty night one night, and

37:52

um, just super not me. I

37:54

was just in like this time of life where I

37:56

was being a hell bag and so

37:59

I remember member waking up one

38:01

morning and I had like this was

38:03

like a year after Mike had called me. And I

38:06

woke up and I had like four texts on my phone

38:08

from numbers I didn't recognize, being like, Yo,

38:10

where'd you go? I thought we were going to And

38:13

then um, my sister

38:15

was pissed at me. She's in the other room because

38:17

I'm sure she had to pull me out of some stupid uber

38:19

the night before, like her fun night turned

38:22

into babysitting me, and so

38:24

she's mad. This is like the third fourth weekend

38:26

in a row I've done this, And I

38:28

just woke up feeling disgusting, like

38:30

so not myself, like

38:34

look, and I'd kind of given up on writing

38:36

anything for me because it's been I'd tried

38:39

and it hadn't really happened, so kind

38:41

of put out of my head and I crawled

38:44

her my sister's bed. The next morning, I had my tail between

38:46

my legs and she said, I love you,

38:48

but you got to figure this out. She's like, you're ruining

38:50

our relationship. You need to figure it out. And

38:52

I said okay, and I went home and I

38:55

called, um, Hannah,

38:57

Ellis, do you know Hannah? I

38:59

know her. I've played her music. Yeah,

39:02

I called her. She was like my

39:04

first co write when I moved to Nashville ever,

39:07

and so I don't know. I called her for

39:09

some reason and I said, Hey, like, I

39:11

just need to vocalize something. Could you meet me? It

39:13

was a Saturday. Mama don't work on Saturdays. Mama

39:16

works money through Friday. So I was she

39:18

was. I was like, can you meet me? And she said sure,

39:20

And she met me at like

39:23

seven pm on a Saturday night and we wrote

39:25

this song and uh, the

39:27

next day we took it to Josh Herr and

39:29

he finished it with us and I

39:32

didn't even turn it in. Honestly, I stuck into

39:34

my email because my first thought was a lady

39:36

Antebel, I will never cut this like nobody

39:39

in country. Yeah,

39:42

totally. This Emily Wants means the first hit no.

39:44

Um. It was called things I'm Over and

39:47

UM. I just stuck

39:50

in my email and I like left it there because I figured

39:52

nobody else would do it. And my sister called me a

39:54

few days later and said, what the hell is this song in your

39:56

email? She was like,

39:59

my sister, yeah, and she knows I don't like I'm

40:01

not great at texting or calling or emailing,

40:04

so she has access to all

40:06

my stuff. And she said, what is this

40:08

song? And I said, um oh,

40:11

I just needed to like say it, but I nobody

40:13

will ever cut it, so I just I didn't even

40:15

turn it in and she said, yeah, nobody's going to

40:17

cut it because it's yours. And

40:19

it was the first moment where I went, oh,

40:23

that makes sense. She said at

40:25

me, you gotta try again. So I did, and I

40:28

I just tried to remember where that place

40:30

was in me and going back there, and before I knew

40:32

it, another year went by and I just

40:34

was sitting on a stack of songs that felt like my songs

40:37

and my point of view and something that I

40:39

had to say. And um,

40:42

I ended up signing with Warner Brothers like six months

40:44

ago. So what does that mean for timeline

40:47

of you putting music out? So,

40:49

um, I actually fight out a tomorrow

40:51

morning, so like meet have my

40:53

first meetings with branding

40:55

and promo and stuff like that. I honestly was

40:58

in a really incredible position where I

41:00

didn't have a label looking over my shoulder the whole

41:02

time I was making my first record. Because

41:05

um, I've seen that

41:07

happened to so many people where they signed deals

41:09

and then to me, I had This is honestly

41:11

the first public place I've admitted

41:14

having a record deal, Like I've never

41:16

posted about it or like really

41:19

told people about it, because I

41:22

think some people see record deals like the end,

41:24

and I kind of see it as the means to the end. Why

41:27

do people see it is the end? Well, I don't

41:29

know. I think it's like a goal for and I think it's

41:31

an incredible goal for a lot of people, like

41:33

we got a record deal, Yeah, we made it. And

41:35

I think that sometimes the record deal is the beginning

41:37

of the work, um, rather than

41:40

the X on the map.

41:43

So um, I don't know. For me,

41:46

it was kind of like cool, we I signed my deal.

41:48

It was just me and Mike alone, like in his studio.

41:50

I had my dad on face time, like my sister

41:52

wasn't even there for it. It was the most low

41:54

key moment in my life. And

41:56

um, we started cutting music that

41:58

day like cool, paper stun, let's do it, you

42:00

know what I mean. And that's when we started cutting

42:03

songs. So um,

42:06

for me, I just got I really got a

42:08

couple of years too, and it's that curse of

42:10

like my second record, I'm not going to have three years

42:12

to write it, you know what I mean. So it's like that

42:14

classic thing of you're already worried about

42:16

the second record and the first one is not out yet. Yeah,

42:19

of course, Um,

42:21

but no, I just know I had I'm really

42:24

My point is that I'm very blessed to have had a

42:26

lot of time to really figure out

42:28

who I am and um, what my

42:30

music sounds like and what it says.

42:33

And I'm super proud of it. I

42:35

love it. I would buy it if it wasn't

42:38

mine. I listened to it sometimes,

42:40

and not as my music. I listened

42:42

to it because like I need to hear it, And that's how

42:45

I know a song is mine is when I hear it and I got thinks that

42:47

I needed that. Like that's when I know,

42:49

like that's it, Because you know, I'll

42:51

write these honest songs and turn them in and I'll

42:54

be like, I think this is from my background and says, no,

42:56

it's not for your record, and I'm like why but it's so honest

42:58

and wrong, and she's like, yeah, but it's selfishly honest.

43:01

She's like, it doesn't do anything for me. I'm just watching you in

43:03

your own world, like being honest with yourself cool,

43:06

just like how does that? Like, how do I connect with

43:08

that? And I'm like, oh yeah, so

43:10

it's kind of funny. My A and R team is basically

43:12

my three sisters, and they tell

43:14

me when something sucks and it's kind

43:16

of funny. Did you always want to do this right?

43:19

Music? YEA forever? Yeah,

43:22

like I has a career. Um, I didn't

43:24

really know that you could. I mean, I'm

43:26

super tight with my My family were disgustingly

43:28

close. It's disgusting, and

43:31

um my dad, you know those people you have a personality

43:33

bond with. Do you have anybody like that? You're

43:36

just like the same person quietly?

43:39

Oh yeah, I love it stward, But

43:43

yeah, my sister and my dad have a personality

43:45

bond, like they're the same person. They could look

43:47

at each other and know what they're thinking. And I never

43:49

had that with my dad. Um

43:51

So I was like, well, my dad loves music, so I'm gonna write

43:53

a song. And I did and he cried

43:56

and it was this big thing. It was like it was literally like

43:58

shooting heroin ors thing. I was like, Dad, love my song,

44:01

I gotta do it again, and so, um

44:04

yeah, I'd come home every day after school. I was like eleven

44:06

when I started, and I would just right for like an

44:08

hour or two. It was like before I did

44:11

my homework and I would show him and

44:13

be like, oh honey, that's so good or oh

44:16

honey, that could be better. I don't really like how blah blah

44:19

blah, and you gotta think about da da da, And he never

44:21

gave me an a when I deserved to see. It

44:23

was like that kind of thing and so um

44:26

yeah. Just growing up, I was

44:28

just my hobby and my thing that I bought it with my dad

44:30

about. And then when it was time to go to college,

44:33

everybody was like, you gotta go to medical school. My

44:35

dad would say, you can be a

44:37

doctor writes songs, but he can't be a songwriter his

44:39

doctor. And I was like, okay,

44:42

yeah, cool, yeah dad. Sure. I'm

44:44

totally a daddy pleaser, like I love my

44:46

dad. And being the oldest, it's like everybody's

44:49

watching you and you want to like do well

44:51

and succeed and not fail

44:53

because you're setting the time. It's like the first

44:57

um I think growing up I did without

44:59

even realizing it. But we

45:02

also are all so close in age that I

45:04

definitely was the pioneer woman in the sense of

45:06

like, my first boyfriend was my whole family's

45:09

first boyfriend. You know, my first breakup

45:11

was my whole family's first breakup. Do

45:13

you do the thing where you break up and you write

45:15

about it, but so um

45:18

specific that it can

45:20

be tracked back? Um?

45:24

I have been guilty of doing that before. Probably,

45:26

But I also I

45:29

have got no point where I think I

45:33

don't do it as much now. I

45:35

still do it. I mean, it's who I am. But do

45:38

people hear those ones? Probably not.

45:41

I'm worried about that a little bit on

45:43

Lindsay's next record, because

45:46

she was like, do you want to hear these songs? Like, nope, put it out,

45:48

don't let me hear it. I don't think it's

45:50

fair because, as someone who loves art more than

45:53

myself, even I would

45:55

say I don't want you because you would say you want

45:57

to hear it. I was like, I don't because if

45:59

I hear it, I'll oh, note, don't put that out. So

46:02

I don't want to hear it. Yeah, I think it's

46:04

just the consequence of dating a writer. I've

46:06

dated writers were there are songs that are specifically

46:08

about me, and I'm like, but there's been consequence

46:11

of dating me, to be fair, because I talk about things

46:13

to millions of people that she probably was like, are

46:15

all my any girlfriends or anybody that I dated? But

46:19

I'd like to pat myself on the back here one more time that

46:21

I said, do not send

46:23

me this song. Hey, it's the world.

46:25

Everybody take note, because I will veto this

46:28

and so her next record. I know she's just

46:31

but we had a we had a really good relationship. There was no cheating,

46:33

there's nothing we broke up. But I know there's

46:35

gonna be some stuff about me. I know. One was the title

46:37

one of the titles to Get Over Yourself. So

46:42

I'm just sitting here and going, oh my God. And

46:44

her and I are still cool, We're still closer many times.

46:47

But I'm just like, God, but

46:49

what you dated a

46:51

song? And I know Josh, your ex boyfriend,

46:54

has he written about you and songs and other

46:56

artists have sang um.

46:59

I don't know if the world's heard any of them.

47:01

I've heard I've heard things. It

47:04

makes you feel blank, it makes

47:06

me feel huh.

47:09

I think I'm never like I don't always

47:12

feel one thing about everything. I

47:14

feel like probably four different things about it.

47:16

One, I'm pumped for him. Then he got cut. Like,

47:20

honestly, I know, that's like really

47:22

cool, especially when something's super personal to

47:24

you and then another artist relates

47:26

to enough to want to cut it. I think it's really cool.

47:28

So pumps for them,

47:31

but also like that's

47:35

awkward where it's their perspective,

47:37

it's not even my Yeah, like it's your side

47:39

of the story. Isn't necessarily there. But then

47:42

I have to go, well, okay,

47:44

I'm like, how many times have you done that to somebody? So I

47:46

can't really complain about it. And at

47:49

the end of the day, it's like, damn whatever.

47:52

The people need to know no, and

47:55

like nobody

47:57

cares. Yeah, honestly, nobody cares.

47:59

It's see me thinking about it. Like the

48:01

general population that consensus

48:04

doesn't care about anything anymore. It's such a niche

48:06

striman society that we're in now, and

48:08

so at times, even with people

48:11

that get in trouble for like controversial

48:13

things, it just goes by. It's

48:17

quick and unless you're Michael Jackson,

48:19

you know or something. Did watch Did you watch that? I

48:22

watched it literally yesterday. This is

48:24

fresh for me. It was dark. It

48:26

was so hard to watch because it was so graphics,

48:29

so graphic, and it was I was shocked

48:31

at how graphic it was, but like I appreciated

48:33

it, but I was definitely shocked. To me, it

48:35

was easier to watch the Ted Bundy tapes where the dude

48:38

chops up adults than

48:40

it was so much easier here about Michael Jackson

48:43

molesting young boys. It

48:47

was it's like it just it's one of those things makes

48:49

you a man. Evil's real. It

48:52

was, you know, I wish here's

48:54

the thing that was because I believe

48:56

the guys, but I wish he were alive to

48:58

defend himself. And also

49:01

he went to court twice and was quoted twice.

49:03

There's just a lot of things that since

49:05

he's dead, you just wish

49:08

he could say something back because again talking

49:10

about one side and I believe

49:12

them, but I just wish for

49:14

for the fairness part of it, that

49:16

he was able to come and go whatever.

49:18

However, what everybody's gonna say, But yes, it's

49:20

hard to watch. It's really hard to watch. But I

49:22

will to your point. I will say, my

49:25

sister and I like whenever we get on something, we get

49:27

on it, like when we watched

49:30

Boheman Rhapsody. I mean, there

49:32

was nothing but Freddie Mercury streaming, like interviews

49:34

streaming through my house for like two weeks. So

49:36

we watched a bunch of interviews after and I think the director

49:39

of the movie said that this

49:41

particular like film

49:43

was about these two guys stories.

49:46

So like, because I know a lot of people have been saying

49:48

like what you were just saying about like always

49:51

not here to define himself and blah blah blah, and it's

49:53

definitely like a one sided situation.

49:55

But when you do look at like, it is what it

49:57

is. It's a movie about these two guys. And

50:00

so I don't I don't know I which

50:03

two guys, Freddie and Brian May

50:05

No, um, I'm talking about leaving

50:08

Michael Jack Wade and these

50:10

two guys. The two yeah, yeah, the two boys.

50:13

I just always have to mention Freddie and Mercury

50:16

somewhere. I

50:19

loved it. It's the only movie ever made. In my opinion,

50:22

I thought it was pretty good. It's so good.

50:25

I'm such a I'm one of the guys

50:27

that hold wait, hold on, let me state

50:29

my opinion. Okay, I'm sorry, I get really

50:31

pumps about it. I thought it was good. I'm a huge

50:34

Queen fan that I think there are only a couple

50:36

of artists that if

50:38

created today, would still come out

50:40

in kind of pierce our

50:42

consciousness of oh this is cool. Like

50:45

if Queen existed today for the first time, we

50:47

would go, oh, there sounded so different. We

50:49

like them today, not because they were Queen, not because they have

50:51

a history. We just go, oh, they're distinct and they're different

50:53

like today. That the other the only other one

50:56

is Biggie because I think his

50:58

Oh did you watch that? I really

51:00

like that? Which one there's

51:02

like nine I want about him in Tupac

51:04

on Netflix is yeah, I think it's unsolved.

51:07

I see that up in the feet. No, let me finish. The

51:11

thing about Human Raapsody that didn't like

51:13

was it's a

51:15

movie, and in a Hollywood movie, they've

51:18

got to just gloss and jump right. So

51:20

it's like, Freddie, you're sawn

51:22

a record deal. No, no, even let's go before that,

51:24

there's a band playing on stage and it's like, you,

51:26

guys, I'd like to to sing

51:29

for your band. Next thing you know, they're on the BBC plane

51:31

like three minutes later and it's

51:33

just now and I understood why,

51:35

but as someone who just is such a music geek,

51:38

I wanted there to be a little more of that struggle.

51:41

Um, but I did enjoy the movie.

51:45

But then it goes, we're playing on

51:47

first BBC show. You

51:49

just signed a deal eighteen seconds ago before

51:52

that, you just met, Like, did you have these problems

51:54

with unity? Yeah? I think some of it

51:57

wasn't even like, but

52:00

don't. I'm okay with that. Okay, that's the stunme that kind of got

52:02

me from it. I'm okay with that because it's

52:04

a movie and I go into it. If a documentary,

52:06

I would be upset, And a documentary

52:08

if it's true, I'm like this bull crap. I

52:10

just Wikipedia, and I believe everything Wikipedia

52:12

says, so you're wrong. It was very quick in

52:14

the beginning, and it kind of slowed down and it

52:16

was like, I'm Freddie, I have big teeth. It's

52:18

now time little fair or whatever.

52:22

Very fair, very fair commentary

52:24

on the movie. That being said, I did like

52:27

the movie, and I thought it was cool that a bunch of people like yourself

52:29

were exposed to Queen. Oh, I know, I

52:31

know. Um.

52:35

I was a Queen fan in the sense of like I

52:37

knew some of their songs and I

52:39

I really liked them. I knew the words

52:42

and whatever. But I think

52:44

that, especially

52:46

at the place I'm in, of like having

52:49

just signed a record deal and well then

52:51

you immediately should be hosting a big festival

52:53

in like seven minutes BBC

52:57

at But um No, I think

52:59

it was more of like just

53:01

be yourself and like who

53:04

cares if people like it or don't

53:06

like it. I think it was like that

53:08

whole concept

53:12

or theme I guess through the movie that just really inspired

53:14

me to just, you know, when

53:17

somebody doesn't like something. Okay,

53:19

here's my shortcut to people, because I tell them

53:21

we spend all of our young days trying

53:23

to fit in. Younger days twenties, thirties,

53:26

we do. We spent all of our time going, I just want to fit in.

53:28

I just I want to be cool and fit in. And then once

53:30

we figure out, oh this is the thing, we spend

53:32

the rest of our life trying to be different. So

53:34

you can kind of get a had start on that by going, you know what, I

53:36

just want to be different, but it's cool to be different. I'm just

53:38

gonna be me even if it's different. And we spent all of our youth

53:41

going I want to fit in. I want to fit in and I want to fit in.

53:43

And there's a point where you do make that pivot where

53:46

you go, oh, I want to be different. So

53:48

as long as you know that it's coming, you can kind of prepare

53:50

yourself for it. I mean, I've always just been weird.

53:52

I've tried to fit in. I'm still trying right

53:54

now, not really much longer. On what's

53:57

your biggest insecurity? I

53:59

have the chest of an I loving year old

54:01

boy. Are you serious? Yeah, that's really what it is.

54:03

It's one of them. Sure, um, physically,

54:06

sure, okay, wow, I like this. Let's play it physically

54:08

and then emotionally or

54:11

like mentally, I think emotionally.

54:14

You know, I grew up. I grew up. We had

54:16

a pretty hard you know, grow

54:19

It's tough. I had a tough background, so I and

54:22

I was never really loved as a kid. My

54:24

mom was an addict. My dad and I never knew my dad. Mom

54:26

died. So now it's like, and

54:29

I ever, like I'm really insecure about

54:31

like do people really like me? Especially

54:34

now as I become get bigger and you go

54:36

from radio to like a national already show to television

54:39

like do people even like me or they just like what I do want to hang around

54:41

me. So I'm really insecure about that new

54:43

people. That's like super fair though

54:45

really I don't like new people until

54:47

I love new people. And it's hard to

54:50

get in that. It's hard to get in like my little circle,

54:52

not because I'm cool, because I don't trust very well.

54:54

I'm super insecure that that people don't like me.

54:57

Do you ever have imposter syndrome? Though not ever

54:59

have it? I'm I live it every day.

55:01

Like you don't feel like you're as cool as everybody

55:04

thinks you are, and it's like or as talented,

55:07

yeah, a hundred percent, Like like you don't

55:09

feel like you deserve to be there even though

55:11

everybody else does constantly, And so then

55:13

you just kind of like and I feel guilty to

55:15

two things. So I do. Um.

55:18

The last year and a half, I've spent doing theater stand

55:20

up, and I've been and these shows would sell

55:22

out two thousand people there. I'd

55:24

be like, oh my god, I'm not even that funny. The people pay fifty

55:27

bucks a ticket to come watch would be not that funny. And then I'll

55:29

go out and like the show us great. I was like it wasn't really,

55:31

and I always feel guilty. The my

55:34

my band have a comedy band, and we played in Boston

55:37

Saturday night, Sunday night. Yeah

55:39

St Patrick's date Chef. We played the theater in Boston. And

55:43

I have friends that are really great artists.

55:45

They can't sell near the tickets that we

55:47

sell, and I feel so guilty because of it.

55:50

I stopped playing festivals for a long time because we could play

55:52

like faster horses and we would be it

55:54

would be like Luke Old Dominion

55:56

and Us and then yeah, we'd be we'd

55:59

be playing at night and I would be like

56:01

this is and I would apologize. I would go to people They're

56:03

like, guys, I'm so sorry. I know we're not that good

56:06

with my friends that are in bands. So yes,

56:08

I feel like my analogy as always that I'm

56:11

I'm like robbing banks and

56:13

eventually the cops are gonna catch me. Like how long can I

56:15

literally rob these banks until the cops catch up

56:17

with me? That's the impostor that I feel like I

56:20

have books read a couple of books even that good. They

56:22

say that crazy, I'm like, I can't. I never want

56:25

people to read them. I'm like Oh, I don't know if you should

56:27

read it, because you're gonna spend you know, four

56:29

or five days, two weeks, depending how fast you read

56:31

and trying not. So the answer

56:33

is yes, and you're just like living your life for that one more

56:35

where they're going to realize you're just not

56:38

And I won't even be surprised. I think I might be relieved

56:40

when they're finally like, yeah, dude, you do suck. I'm

56:43

like, thank you, Holy crap,

56:45

do you have it? You feel imposter Yeah,

56:49

especially with the Grammy sitting in my living room.

56:52

For sure. It's funny that because I don't see

56:54

you as an impostor, because I also not

56:57

only do I am I sitting with you now hearing you talk, but

57:00

like I know really talented people that say wonderful

57:02

things about you. Well that's very nice.

57:04

Like that makes my day. Yeah, Like the

57:06

general consensus is that you're

57:09

super quick and you're a great writer,

57:12

and so for you to go I think I have a post syndrome

57:14

to me seems nuts. Well

57:17

me looking at it seems nuts. I guess it's

57:19

just something that it's that moment

57:21

where you're like, oh, maybe we're not all

57:24

that different. I definitely

57:27

deal with imposter syndrome in what ways.

57:29

Um let's do Let's do um

57:31

emotionally first, Okay, go ahead,

57:34

I just ran through this, so you see your turn. No, I know,

57:36

I know it's only fair. Um.

57:38

Emotionally, I think my biggest insecurity

57:40

is I'm so afraid of being an almost

57:43

girl, an almost girl, mean almost

57:45

girl, like ah, and like

57:47

your song almost went number one, but

57:49

it like it was really good, but it wasn't

57:52

good enough to actually like go all the way.

57:54

They're like, oh yeah, and that

57:57

guy almost picked you, but like

58:00

if this and this was different, he would

58:02

have really like

58:05

no, just in a sense of like pick

58:07

you to do what though like in your head them

58:10

or whatever, like relationship like

58:12

that kind of thing, like just being

58:14

almost good and like really good being

58:16

Really I think I'm really good at what I do. I think

58:18

I'm I like myself a

58:20

lot. I really do. It's like I'm somebody

58:22

use a lot of things, Like I'm super confident, but I'm also

58:25

like insecure for sure. I'm

58:27

I totally know who I am. I also have no clue who

58:30

I am. I'm like a different girl every day, but that's

58:32

I think that's normal. But totally.

58:35

I can like thrive in that condition

58:37

because I think I've spent a lot of my life

58:40

trying to like I'm this girl

58:42

and I'm that girl, or because you want to make sense of yourself

58:44

and you want to fit in and you want to belong, and then you get to

58:46

a point where you're like, um, that and I'm

58:48

that, and I'm that and I'm that and that's okay and

58:50

that's yeah exactly, And I'm totally cool with

58:53

being all of those things for whoever

58:55

I need to be those things for. And it doesn't make me an authentic,

58:57

but I think generally more

59:00

for me, it's like being

59:02

really good but not good enough,

59:04

like almost And what will

59:07

change it for you? Because I found all

59:09

the accolades in the world has a change crap for me? No,

59:12

definitely therapy,

59:14

I mean that that helps. Therapist won't see me anymore.

59:18

Well, like she she said, I had got

59:20

I'd reach like a really healthy place. She

59:23

said that, she said, you're fixed. I was like, I

59:25

don't think you can ever fix I

59:28

know. I literally

59:30

went home and I was like, an, I have to have

59:32

problems. It's like what makes me thrive? So

59:35

um, it was a really sad day, but she said,

59:37

somebody you will have a new set of problems and we'll have to work

59:39

through those, but take a break. So okay,

59:41

because I feel like I got therapy. I was starting

59:43

to make up stuff to talk to her about and

59:46

she goes, why do you like talking to me? I said, because you

59:48

get me. You just get me. Nobody

59:51

gets me. So I just was at this point paying

59:53

somebody to get me. Sometimes they would

59:55

cancel. That's weird. I know she's

59:57

super nice though, and low key. I want to be your friend

1:00:00

to go get a drink with her, and she says she's

1:00:02

this two year policy. So I'm kind of low key,

1:00:04

like down to not see her anymore and

1:00:07

just like wait two years and then just say, yo,

1:00:09

you want to go get a beer? I think you'd be fun.

1:00:11

Okay. So that's that is your insecurity.

1:00:14

Yeah, and mostly almost being an almost

1:00:16

girl. Um. Yeah. And

1:00:18

to answer your other question, like, I don't think

1:00:20

anything is going to fix it. I

1:00:23

think it's something I'll always struggle

1:00:26

with, but I do. I'm

1:00:28

I'm a big believer in like of

1:00:31

the rule. I'm a Jesus girl. I love Jesus and

1:00:33

like he I'm a psychopath, like

1:00:37

I'm a psycho, so he kind of

1:00:39

just keeps me in check. Like that personal relationship

1:00:41

I have there, it just kind of keeps me like at

1:00:44

Bay. So yeah, I am an almost girl, but

1:00:46

like my relationship

1:00:48

with there and makes up for it in terms

1:00:50

of my peace and my confidence with it and that

1:00:53

whole thing. I don't believe that

1:00:55

it's a fix. I joke about that, like I

1:00:57

don't. I just think the

1:01:00

being able to know yourself is the fix.

1:01:03

I think being able to know that. And

1:01:06

I'll give you a story. I wrote some

1:01:09

really personal stuff in my first book about my

1:01:11

mom dying and be an addict and some crazy stuff

1:01:13

that we went through, and I thought to myself, I don't want people

1:01:16

to feel sorry for me. I don't

1:01:18

want um. But

1:01:20

what I realized was that a

1:01:23

lot of people related to what I was saying, and

1:01:26

I didn't need to be fixed because then I realized everybody's

1:01:29

broken in some way, and if we're all broken,

1:01:31

are we even broken? We're not broken? No,

1:01:33

I think we were made to be that way. That's

1:01:36

really you know what what hit me when I started

1:01:38

really and I share on the radio things at times

1:01:41

where people like, oh, that's a lot. But I

1:01:43

wrote some stuff I wrote my book. I was like,

1:01:45

oh, I don't know. But then what it

1:01:47

really hit me was, oh, normal

1:01:50

is abnormal. You know, we always feel

1:01:52

like we're different and things are working

1:01:54

out for us, but that's normal. That's everyone.

1:01:56

They're just not sharing it, so you don't know and you feel

1:01:58

so alone. And I've felt like I at

1:02:01

least for a bit, for a little blip for maybe

1:02:03

a few people was they were able to read it

1:02:05

and go, oh, I don't feel so alone if Bobby's having this

1:02:07

this struggle and that's why I like doing what I do,

1:02:09

or at least part of it. So and it's cool

1:02:11

that you're willing to because I know a lot of people aren't. And

1:02:14

um, I think that's the beauty of having

1:02:16

jobs like ours, you know, yeah, the

1:02:18

beauty and the struggle. Yeah. Oh, it's a

1:02:20

total I feel like we're all living in this constant

1:02:23

gray area as like, you

1:02:25

know, trying to figure out to

1:02:27

be that for other people but also be healthy versions

1:02:29

of ourselves and so it's

1:02:31

a total balanced thing. But I agree

1:02:34

with you. I think we're all just kind of made to fall

1:02:36

short. And for me, that's

1:02:39

I'm cool with it, you know what I mean, especially

1:02:42

when I my faith kind of makes

1:02:44

up for that for me in the sense of, yeah,

1:02:47

whatever, I'll embrace it. I was made to not being

1:02:50

I've I've was. I was made to be an almost girl. But

1:02:53

I can have peace and joy with that. Did

1:02:55

you write today? Um? No, I

1:02:57

had a day off. It's

1:02:59

two day. You had a day off, mom,

1:03:02

and I work on Tuesday. Moment will work

1:03:04

on tuesdays before least on Wednesday morning

1:03:06

at six thirty five. Decided

1:03:08

about that out tomorrow. Yeah, I'm

1:03:10

excited. I'm excited. No,

1:03:14

my whole record is Nashville written. Um,

1:03:18

Nashville is authentic to me. It's my family, it's

1:03:20

my my friends. I

1:03:23

it would be really unauthentic at this point

1:03:25

in my life to go to decide

1:03:28

to make a pop record and then go to l A and right with a bunch

1:03:30

of people who have never met me and

1:03:32

just have their like finger

1:03:35

on the pulse of the current trends

1:03:37

and um, I don't know. I just I

1:03:39

wanted my record to be true, and I wanted

1:03:41

it to um

1:03:45

be authentic to me. Whatever that

1:03:47

it's an extension of me and music, So

1:03:50

I needed to do that with people who knew me and

1:03:54

that I knew you could deliver that truth in a way

1:03:56

that I know and trust and love

1:03:58

and admire respect. So it's

1:04:01

like a pop record, but it's like chok

1:04:03

full of great Nashville songwriting

1:04:06

and songwriters and to be able to share

1:04:08

that with Nashville is really really really cool. And

1:04:11

so yeah, I'll stay here. I'll

1:04:14

probably get old and saggy and have a bunch of babies here

1:04:16

someday. So I got a bunch of kids,

1:04:19

um

1:04:21

yeah, I mean I grew out on one of six, so like

1:04:24

I don't see myself having one kid. But honestly,

1:04:27

this has really been like I'm a heart lately. I

1:04:30

think I want to adopt my

1:04:32

Amy, my best friend, my cost adopted two kids from Haiti.

1:04:34

Really, I just think it's such a beautiful

1:04:37

thing. And for me, I

1:04:39

think that I would love

1:04:41

to adopt

1:04:44

kids out of um like older kids.

1:04:47

I just for some reason, um

1:04:55

yeah, I like got caught up watching some

1:04:57

videos the other night of these like eight

1:04:59

and nine ten year old kids being told they're going to be adopted,

1:05:02

and it was like, oh, it made me bawl

1:05:04

my eyes out. It was like the most incredible

1:05:07

thing, like these kids who think nobody wants

1:05:09

them because they all they all want these babies,

1:05:11

which is beautiful. I'm not knocking it,

1:05:13

um, but I don't know what kind of really

1:05:15

like touched me. And what I really connected

1:05:18

with was seeing

1:05:20

all these kids who are just maybe

1:05:22

older. And she

1:05:25

got a year ago and Amy's son is seven. Beautiful,

1:05:29

that's amazing. Look at you. We've

1:05:31

been this hour, an hour into

1:05:33

this. Anything anything you'd like to

1:05:37

to put out there before we wrap it up, um,

1:05:40

go ahead? Stage

1:05:42

is mine. Um No, I just

1:05:45

I love what I do, and thank you for having

1:05:47

me and Mike. Your hair

1:05:49

is dope than I love Mike's hair.

1:05:51

Changes it. It was orange and

1:05:53

it was red and I'm

1:05:55

so colorblind. It's all the same to me. No,

1:05:59

and also I really appreciate how much do you

1:06:01

support songwriters and new

1:06:03

artists too. I just think it's really really really

1:06:05

cool for those people that have somebody like

1:06:07

you in their corner. So thanks, thank

1:06:10

you for that. And you're a great interviewer, great questions.

1:06:12

We didn't record any of this, This was just us talking. We're

1:06:15

going to actually started now cool, I'm down,

1:06:17

now, I'm warmed. Up Good episode

1:06:19

one sixty six Emily Wise Band. You

1:06:21

can follow on Instagram at Emily Wise

1:06:24

Band w E I S B A N

1:06:26

d UM And there are some pictures there that our

1:06:28

grandma doesn't approve of. I love

1:06:30

my grandma. My grandma is one of my favorite

1:06:32

people. I just had to say it. Let me say this about

1:06:34

about your Instagram. I don't follow you. I should

1:06:37

follow you, but I don't follow you. I

1:06:40

have trouble taking

1:06:42

like some of the pick we do know what you mean here

1:06:45

we go like, it's hard

1:06:47

for me to sit because it looks like you're

1:06:49

taking some of these pictures, like you just set the phone up and

1:06:51

then you just like do something hot and

1:06:53

just sit there, and then you write, I

1:06:56

have trouble taking those kind of pictures. And I'm

1:06:58

not hot but

1:07:01

too, it's just a

1:07:03

lot of me. I just

1:07:06

let me. I'll teach you. It's actually

1:07:08

super easy. Let me let me pull up your

1:07:10

profile here. I

1:07:13

was reading one of your because Emily

1:07:15

and I will message occasionally.

1:07:18

We've never met, but we message occasionally. There

1:07:20

was one of them recently where you were

1:07:22

like, hey guy,

1:07:24

and what's the orange

1:07:27

theory? Orange theory? I was gross

1:07:29

and sweaty earlier. But this is how hot I really and

1:07:34

I laughed. I thought it was funny.

1:07:37

But I just I wouldn't have that. I wouldn't have that in

1:07:39

me. I mean yeah, so I don't

1:07:41

know. I'm just whatever whatever.

1:07:44

I ever hit you up. No, No, that's

1:07:47

probably why. If I actually thought he would, I wouldn't

1:07:49

have posted it really embarrassing.

1:07:52

Would No, I'm just kidding, I probably

1:07:54

would have. I honestly, my Instagram is

1:07:56

like, I'm

1:07:58

a very open person. Every one of

1:08:00

my siblings has my Instagram on their phone.

1:08:03

None of my sisters have social media. They're

1:08:06

all logged into mine, so they

1:08:09

like keep track of my graham all the time,

1:08:11

Like why do you pose that you look like an idiot?

1:08:14

Blah blah blah. So yeah, I

1:08:16

mean, I I don't know. I'm just kind of like

1:08:20

I've had fun with instim. I thinks I'm super fun.

1:08:22

You know. I wish I had the confidence to like get in my panties

1:08:25

because I wear panties too, Like you

1:08:27

know, today I was looking at the moon. I

1:08:31

do try to like just be like you

1:08:34

also do funny ones. I do

1:08:36

do my face a lot. Some people love it. Some people

1:08:38

hate it, but whatever, Like,

1:08:40

for example, hey,

1:08:42

we're on the radio, Bobby. Nobody can see this, I know,

1:08:45

but they can go to your page and see it. Okay,

1:08:48

like this is the one hey orange theory. Boy,

1:08:50

here's me not red and blotchy and hiding

1:08:53

from you. And you have on a denim jacket and you

1:08:55

don't even have a shirt underneath it. It It looks basically, it

1:08:57

looks basically like you have a piece of toilet paper wrapped around

1:08:59

your waist. You're

1:09:01

getting a lot of fa but

1:09:04

I could you know what what's up? I

1:09:07

liked the pictures. I think you know what I Nothing

1:09:10

I've said has been I know you've been very

1:09:12

supportive of it. I admire the fact it's

1:09:14

funny. I want to know, how to do you see this picture you're

1:09:17

in like a panty short with a bow in

1:09:19

your hair. Yeah. And I

1:09:21

was on St. Patty's

1:09:23

Day and I said nope, no, no pinches for me.

1:09:26

And my dad commented on it superstar

1:09:28

and I called my dad. I was like, Dad, thank

1:09:31

you for being supportive of my sketchy

1:09:33

Instagram And he's like, well,

1:09:36

honey, when you look that good, I mean whatever,

1:09:39

I have to be. I love you. I love you. Thanks

1:09:42

Dad. Say Jojo? Is you

1:09:44

know Jojo? She commented on your Instagram. Yeah,

1:09:47

we met right

1:09:49

now, it's the end. I love her.

1:09:51

She's one of my favorite people in the world. She's looking she's

1:09:53

like a wise old owl. You'd expect her to be this like

1:09:57

punky, like get out

1:10:00

right now, like she was when she was nine. Let's

1:10:02

leave, I know, and but

1:10:04

she's so like well spoken and

1:10:06

beautiful and just wise

1:10:10

and I love being around her. We met it um the

1:10:12

as cap Castle as

1:10:14

cap does this writing trip to France

1:10:16

every year. Um for this as

1:10:18

cap Castle France. I'm gonna follow you

1:10:20

right now, goes follow me. I'll follow you back. I'm gonna

1:10:22

publicly follow you. All

1:10:25

right. I'm so honored right now,

1:10:28

Um, Emily Wise man might de anything

1:10:31

you'd like to say. We're good. See

1:10:33

this started pretty like professional and straightforward,

1:10:36

and then I like where it went, like the second half like

1:10:38

this part yeah, the part two of this. You

1:10:40

know a little bit of everything. But we've

1:10:43

never met, so all right, Emily

1:10:45

Wise met episode one sixty six, thanks to our sponsor,

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