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Welcome to Bonkers Romance, the podcast

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where three friends and a lot

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of other people celebrate romance

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that takes big swings and knocks

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it out of the park. I'm Melody Carlisle

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I'm Jenny Nort back.

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And I'm Katie. Robert,

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and we've never done an intro live

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before. This is big stuff

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over

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why it was

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first

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bit. Did you, did you sums

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the pause where I went, oh shit. Katie

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was gonna go last, so that means it's

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my turn. I have to say my name. I do

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know my

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it's a Jenny now. Hey

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y'all.

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you guys.

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Yeah. Oh

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man. It has been a minute,

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but life and

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stuff and pleasure

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reading and

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Pleasure reading the, oh my God. Let me

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tell you.

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the well.

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Aggressively. Yes,

1:02

a fire hose. I'm not gonna lie.

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Yeah.

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Buckets. Buckets.

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Buckets. I love

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dumping it back

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learned some things about ourselves. We've learned

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some things about ourselves, and we're gonna share them with you.

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Yeah, that's for darn sure. Did

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I go straight into the

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monstrous world? Created

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by one and only Lily Maine. Yeah,

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Yeah, I did have, I seen a lot of Monster

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cock lately. Yeah, absolutely.

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Thank you.

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that for

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shove me into like some

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kind of distorted fucking stalker,

1:37

horror, romance thing that I

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would never normally read

1:41

because I don't like anything remotely scary

1:44

or spooky. Yes. And did I love

1:46

the shit out of it also? Yes.

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Am I now writing a stalker book solely

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Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Adeline? Yes, because HD

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Carlton has taught me things about myself

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and like I just, I don't know. I

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don't know how to deal with it. So I'm writing books and y'all get

2:01

to just experience that with me because my

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God,

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Oh

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Yeah. Yeah. It's been a ride,

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frankly,

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has been a ride.

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Yeah. But if you can't tell,

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it's been good. There's, I

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think there's something a little bit different about

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reading because we want

2:19

to read it and then coming back just

2:21

like bursting to tell you about

2:23

it versus when you get into the podcast

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cycle for a long time, and like

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for Mel and I were talking years,

2:29

It was so.

2:30

becomes assigned reading.

2:32

Mm-hmm.

2:33

you've gotta be careful with that. So we're

2:35

coming back just like full of joy.

2:38

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Can I tell you

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about some monsters?

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Yes, yes,

2:43

yeah.

2:44

Okay. Cuz it's been Lily Main and Ruby

2:46

Dixon. And, uh, uh,

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I am reading an arc of that time I

2:52

drugged to Dragon by Kimberly

2:54

Leming. Very excited about that.

2:56

Yeah, I've, I read the

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Nesta book, the AIF Nester book.

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Which I really had put off, and

3:04

man did it, do all the things I needed it

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to do and more. Anyway,

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let's talk Monster, shall we? So

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when I left, you I,

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I think it was four books ago, There's

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one, it's called Gloom.

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And it's all about, it's

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all about this. I Torin who?

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he is big. All right. And he is

3:26

gray.

3:27

already got my attention.

3:29

Oh yeah.

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it bigger.

3:31

He's big. He's gray. He

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carries a battle hammer all

3:36

around everywhere. I know Jenny.

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I'm telling you. And here's the thing

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though, he is currently enslaved

3:43

by this terrible woman. He's

3:45

got, he's got a a metal box

3:47

on his head and he can't speak

3:50

and there's like a bunch of other

3:52

shit happening.

3:53

that took a turn.

3:54

sorry, I'm having like, like pyramid head

3:57

from Silent Hill, like, but not

3:59

a pyramid, but a square.

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a square. Yeah. Metal.

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there's a whole fandom for that.

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Mm-hmm. Yeah. And the,

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the human in

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this scenario, uh, he's rig, he's

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the guy who like is Mr. Fixit

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all around the compound that they

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live in. And he sees this it

4:17

because they're there to get his best friend's,

4:19

current mate, the Reich. And

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he's like, there's something about this monster

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that just calls to me and I have to save

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him. I have to save him. There's no way around

4:30

it. So this turns into this like

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road trip romance because the

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enslave bitch like decides to go

4:36

home basically. And

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so there he just like walks alongside of her

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RV that are pulled

4:43

by two more enslaved monsters

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who aren't really sentient. But I don't think

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that should matter. And

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Anyway, so it becomes this, like he

4:52

fi, he figures out that glam can

4:54

write, because his kind

4:56

like collects languages and they're very

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bookish. And they're very adorable.

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And he's like one of the last three of his kind.

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It doesn't matter. It's fine. And he

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can't tell rig why

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he has to do everything this bitch says.

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So like there's these incredible moments

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when they're, when they're becoming more

5:14

intimate and getting to know each other better, where

5:17

like they're sitting next to the rv.

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At night and you

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know, they sort of broached the

5:24

topic of like touching each other

5:26

maybe and like how close they feel

5:29

and all that kind of thing. And Rig

5:31

has to sort of allow

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Glam to talk him

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into being

5:38

sexual together because Rig

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has a lot of misgivings about the power dynamic

5:43

since Glom can't speak and

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is enslaved and like has

5:47

him into it, they're writing notes.

5:50

notes back and forth. Yeah. Yeah. So

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it's sort of like an in-person epistolary

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romance too. listen,

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there's a cult leader involved. There's,

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there's a metric fuck ton of

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shit and then they have to work together

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to free glam and

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both of them are involved. So

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like the As is fucking work of

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art is what it is. Okay. So then

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the next. Can I tell you more or

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should I let somebody else have the floor

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I think you should just get it

6:21

I am really enjoying this, so tell

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Okay, so the next one is called Moth,

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and we've known Moth for a little while. At this

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point, the guy who's made it to the Reich

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had like a maybe quasi flirtation

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with moth at one point, because Moth

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is half monster, half human,

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and he didn't know this before.

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Monster apocalypse happened. He

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just was like always, you

6:44

know, the different kid. And

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he like, he has a

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really tragic backstory

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that is just like heart-wrenching,

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constantly rejected by humans to

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the point where like one of his foster families,

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when the monster Apo apocalypse happened,

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just straight up, left him

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in the middle of the. And he's

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had to sort of like fend for himself

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his entire life. He doesn't know how

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to read because nobody ever

7:15

taught him or, or made sure he went to

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school or anything. And

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so he feels very othered by everyone because

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no monsters like him because of his half human

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side, and no humans

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like him because can't trust monsters.

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And so that one has

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this absolutely gorgeous.

7:35

oh no, I've already told you about Eden. I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry. That one has

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this absolutely gorgeous story.

7:43

Basically about self-acceptance

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through the eyes of

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another person because

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he has to go and they're, they

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have this mission to go and save this

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other guy who you've heard a lot

7:58

about in the series up till now and

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Moth like does not want this

8:03

guy to go with him because,

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His, his deal is like, I'm gonna

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reject you before you have the opportunity

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to reject me, essentially. And

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so this guy just like chips

8:15

away at him with his kindness

8:18

on this whole thing. And it's

8:20

be it, it goes between like chipping

8:22

away at him with kindness to

8:25

just calling him on his fucking bullshit

8:27

when he can't handle how rude

8:29

he is anymore. And then like going

8:31

back and forth between those two things and

8:34

then you. The guy

8:36

giving him more and more latitude

8:40

and freedom with the way that he

8:42

acts, because he sees

8:44

like this grumpy exterior. It's a grumpy

8:46

sunshine, I think this grumpy exterior,

8:48

but then he'll like do these really sweet acts

8:51

of caring, you know, like, like randomly

8:53

buying him a scarf. In a place

8:55

where the guy doesn't know how to, you know,

8:58

barter or whatever. So it's

9:01

gorgeous. And the main thing with that is

9:03

that Moth has monster parts underneath

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his human exterior.

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Okay? Oh, I

9:12

shall, okay. Because

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Moth has not, he's never kissed a person

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or anybody.

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do mods have?

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Well, no, so he's actually, okay.

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This was confusing because I thought he was,

9:23

you know, part moth. It was a monster moth.

9:26

It's not, he's like sort of this,

9:28

he's his monster. Half is

9:30

like a humanoid serpent,

9:32

like albino serpent thing that's

9:34

like sort of pink and purple

9:36

and scaly and.

9:39

It's, and so, so underneath

9:42

his clothes, because he wears clothes

9:44

like as much as he possibly can and covers

9:46

everything, he's like a little bit

9:48

scaly and his

9:50

feet are, are, you know, completely

9:52

different from a human's feet. And

9:55

then he's got this, he's got

9:57

this, this cock pocket,

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Jenny Okay,

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we love a cock pocket.

10:03

There's a cock pocket.

10:05

on the cock pocket.

10:06

And not only that, but like there's

10:09

the cock pocket and then u unlike,

10:12

what's his nuts? The shadow? Nope.

10:14

The, the, the guy in the first book.

10:16

I know who you're talking

10:17

Yeah, I don't know why he's, he plays

10:20

a prominent role in all three of the books

10:22

I've read recently, and I can't remember his name

10:24

doesn't matter. So not only

10:26

is there like a, a

10:28

fallis to get out and fuck

10:30

around with, but then up above

10:33

the fallis there's like this place you can

10:35

finger too. And so,

10:37

like a finger.

10:38

yeah, and there's like, there's

10:40

this scene, oh my god, where like, Moth

10:44

has like, not only does he have like his first

10:46

sexual experience, but he. He,

10:50

because his partner

10:52

like, does the finger bang into oblivion

10:54

in addition to everything else. He

10:57

has one of those, like transcendent,

11:00

I came so hard, I have to cry.

11:02

moments.

11:03

I love that.

11:05

I know. And then he

11:07

has to be like, and, and I fucked

11:09

it all up, like because, Like this

11:11

stupid version who like cried

11:13

and like you didn't even get off. And the guy's

11:16

like, no, I had a really good time.

11:18

Cool it. I liked making

11:20

you feel good. Oh my God.

11:22

The whole thing is just

11:25

bananas. Gorgeous. And it's

11:28

hard one in, in really

11:30

important ways. You learn a lot more about the

11:32

world because the guy was in the army

11:34

for a really long time. It's, it's fantastic. And

11:37

then the last one that I read is called Cerf.

11:39

Okay. And he

11:41

is this goddamn monstrosity

11:44

that was on Collector Mary,

11:46

the Enslavers property. She had

11:48

like a monster menagerie and

11:51

he's non-verbal. he,

11:54

I thought the whole, I thought for like

11:56

three quarters of the book, I thought he looked like a Yeti

11:59

with like a metric fuck ton of eyeballs

12:01

all over his face.

12:02

Oh, so he's like full on syrup.

12:04

He's sif angel situation.

12:06

Yeah, like he's got all the eyeballs

12:09

all over the front of his face

12:11

and like,

12:12

I support, but also,

12:13

no, totally. And like some of them are

12:15

like tipped over sideways and so they blink

12:18

horizontally,

12:19

Which one do you look at? Which one

12:21

do

12:22

well, so, so the,

12:24

and then his partner is

12:26

lilac from the camp and lilac

12:28

up until this point, has been quiet and

12:31

surly. He takes no shit. He

12:33

has a machete everywhere he goes. And

12:35

everybody, except like the people

12:37

we have gotten close to

12:39

so far think he. Super

12:42

creepy. Like they're

12:45

the people that we've met him through,

12:47

like him and trust him and they're close to, but

12:49

like nobody else, everybody thinks

12:51

lilac is just like a goddamn psychopath

12:54

who will kill anything the camp needs him to.

12:57

And that's all he is good for. Otherwise

12:59

he just like sits quietly and whittles

13:01

against the wall

13:03

I

13:03

So Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he's

13:05

like, I think he's half Japanese.

13:08

he is fantastic. His

13:10

like whole point of view is his

13:13

is it was, it was one of those

13:15

moments where you're like, I know this person from

13:17

the outside for so long

13:19

that now getting inside their head is

13:21

super compelling from the start

13:24

Mm-hmm.

13:25

So Sarah, all he does is throw himself

13:27

against the cage and scream

13:30

and. Lilac realizes

13:32

more than anyone else. It's because

13:35

he's in like a metric fuck ton of pain

13:37

all the time, and they've got these

13:39

doses of medication that they keep on giving

13:41

him that were from Collector

13:44

Mary's like place because they're worried

13:46

that if they stop giving him the medication,

13:48

he'll just straight up die. So they're trying

13:50

to like keep him on this stuff while

13:53

trying to figure out what the fuck it is

13:55

and what's it, what it's doing, and how to save

13:58

slash help him. And

14:01

he, oh boy. So

14:03

one of the things that's important to know about CIF is

14:06

that while he doesn't look like a Yeti, he

14:08

is about seven and a half feet tall and

14:10

he's got like, he's got like super

14:12

dark leathery skin and

14:14

his fingers are extra

14:17

long to the point that I think there's at least

14:19

five knuckles on each

14:21

one.

14:22

I dunno how I feel about that.

14:25

That's, that's actually the, the

14:27

cover of the book is Sarah's giant

14:29

creepy ass hand, just like coming out of the bars.

14:32

It's incredible. Anyway,

14:35

so,

14:36

knuckles,

14:37

many knuckles.

14:39

I

14:39

me, no. Uh, and there are things

14:41

on Sarah's body that are even more

14:44

dexterous that I don't know if

14:46

I should spoil or not. Uh,

14:49

but I'll, I'll think about it as I tell

14:51

you a little bit more of this plot. So, so

14:54

they're trying to all help him. And Lilac,

14:57

lilac is like he

14:59

is. Completely vulnerable out

15:01

here because he freaked out one

15:03

at one point to the point that like

15:05

he shattered the glass. That was also

15:08

like reinforcing the bars. So

15:11

anything that comes out of the forest nearby can

15:13

just get to him, and he has no protection

15:16

whatsoever. So Lilac

15:18

decides that he's gonna be the person who

15:20

guards CIF all night. And

15:24

as that happens, because CIF is

15:26

completely non-verbal. Sarah can't

15:28

communicate anything with anybody

15:30

at this point, but they start getting

15:33

closer. Oh, the very

15:35

first night he's out there, he does accidentally

15:37

get too close and CIF does a big old

15:39

choke on him to the point where

15:41

Lilac is like, I think I'm gonna die.

15:43

And then he manages to say like, Sarah, stop.

15:47

And like he gets, Sarah

15:49

gets like this momentary.

15:53

You know, recognition in all of

15:55

his eyes and, does let

15:57

go.

15:59

There's so many eyes,

16:00

I had so many eyes and they

16:03

all look different. They're all like obviously

16:05

different monster eyes.

16:07

It's so weird how you can discover

16:09

random limits.

16:10

Uh, yeah. Yeah. And lilac,

16:13

know why so many eyes is freaking

16:15

me out, but that freaks me

16:16

I hear you. I hear you. I think it has

16:18

something to do with that, that whole phobia,

16:21

you know, that whole

16:22

yeah, the, the too many dots, the too many

16:24

holes in

16:24

the one.

16:26

Hmm.

16:26

I think they might be quasi related.

16:28

Yeah, it's, it's too much. Don't like, but

16:31

there's a reason why the angels be like, do

16:33

not be afraid. It's cuz all of the eyeballs.

16:35

All of the eyeballs, anyone will be afraid of all the

16:37

eyeballs.

16:38

for sure. Anyway,

16:40

so basically they get close.

16:43

and it gets to the 0.1 night

16:45

before Sarah is completely

16:47

verbal that he,

16:50

that Lila. He gets

16:52

close enough to the bars because he's starting to

16:54

like share food with him other than

16:56

like raw meat, because that's all collector.

16:58

Mary Fed him. And Lilac is

17:00

finding out that Sarah actually has a much

17:02

more like vegetarian, vegan palate

17:05

than anybody new. Yeah.

17:08

And so he's been like, look, it's a pecan.

17:11

And like, have you met an apricot before?

17:14

Like, let's do this thing. It's so,

17:16

uh, Sarah's favorite food is a carrot

17:18

and I can't, with him, I can't. Anyway,

17:21

so because of this, he like starts getting close to the cage

17:24

and their first sexual experience

17:26

is Sarah like grabbing lilac

17:28

and pulling him, pulling his back

17:31

against the bars and then like non-verbally

17:34

sort of like finding out if lilac is

17:36

okay with him touching up on his

17:38

body. And then it

17:41

gets to the point where he does a, through

17:43

the bars, reach around prostate

17:45

finger bang.

17:47

Oh,

17:47

I know like there's no cock

17:49

stuff at all. He just goes straight

17:51

for the right up the, it's great

17:54

stuff. Wow. He

17:56

comes super hard and it's like,

17:58

and because of all the knuckles, not only can he

18:00

get so far up there, but he can like find

18:03

that prostate and curve into it. That's

18:05

the one.

18:07

like a, okay.

18:09

It's great stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

18:11

it's, I appreciate the fulfillment

18:13

of the monster stuff. The monster element.

18:16

It's like, cuz if you're not fulfilling then what

18:18

are you doing?

18:18

There's sounding in this book

18:20

Oh, excellent.

18:22

with the, with the thing that's extra, extra,

18:24

even more dextrous than, than his hands.

18:27

He does, he does a, my penis is

18:29

penetrating you. And also I'm

18:31

gonna do a sound on your penis

18:34

at the same time. It's

18:36

incredible. Oh,

18:38

okay.

18:39

Interesting.

18:40

Yeah. And. The,

18:43

the interesting thing on Cerf is

18:45

that he's actually a split

18:47

that was created by the military,

18:50

so he used to be human, and

18:52

LE is like, oh, no wonder there are two

18:54

eyes that are roughly in a humanoid position

18:56

in addition to all the other eyes.

18:59

oh.

19:00

And like there's a, there's sick bed components

19:03

to it. There's, uh, Sarah

19:05

at one point sees himself for the first time

19:07

in a mirror and he has to come

19:09

to terms with like his monstrosity

19:13

now, and like what that

19:15

means.

19:15

in the mirror and suddenly had a bunch more eyeballs.

19:18

I think I, I think that would

19:19

Listen,

19:20

traumatic for me.

19:21

un, it's understandable and lilac

19:23

is just like, I love you

19:25

for you, like, I like the way

19:27

you look. I don't care about anything.

19:30

Uh, it's just great man. Lily

19:32

Maine has knocked outta the park every time.

19:35

what speaks to Mel Deeply

19:37

is like monsters learning to love

19:39

themselves and being kind to one another,

19:41

and these like gentle gestures of kindness.

19:43

And I'm just sitting here looking for a bridge

19:45

into haunting Adeline

19:47

I know

19:50

Oh yeah. So they're

19:52

nice to each other and, um,

19:55

No, I have the bridge. I have the bridge. I have a different book

19:57

bridge. we can bridge it in. Um, so

20:00

I got the opportunity to read

20:02

the Hurricane Wars by Thea Guan,

20:05

I think is how you spell her.

20:06

You're cheating. You're

20:08

cheating by building a bridge with another book.

20:10

I am, I am. And I'm not sorry. I'm

20:12

I'm fine. I like it. I like

20:14

we're gonna get there. so I went into this

20:16

book without, they're like, oh, enemies

20:18

to lovers. Cool, cool, cool. And I'm like, sweet. So I'm

20:20

reading it and I'm like, oh my God. Like, cuz it's like, it's.

20:24

Builts. Like the world building's

20:27

so fucking cool cuz it's like they've been at war, right? But they like

20:29

have these like hurricane machines

20:31

that like come in and just fuck shit

20:33

up. And it's been like, it's been a big old bad,

20:36

it's been a big old bad. It's this emperor, there's like

20:38

dark magic and light magic and like elemental magic

20:40

and shit. So you have

20:42

the resistance and our heroin

20:44

is part of the resistance and she. Is

20:48

like, can manipulate light and

20:51

against the darkness. So if you are

20:54

feeling like, maybe this sounds familiar, maybe

20:56

this tall dark broody

20:58

emperor sun sounds a little bit familiar. I found out

21:00

that it, it, it did in fact

21:03

start many, many moons ago

21:05

as relo fanfic cuz I was like, this feels,

21:08

I was like, this feels familiar. And I really like the dynamic

21:10

cuz they keep, they keep, her

21:12

and him keep bumping up against

21:14

each other in these conflicts. And

21:17

this is first 10%, so I'm not spoiling much.

21:20

And you know, but there's that instant attraction.

21:22

Like it, it's one of those things

21:24

where you can tell the author is having the most fucking

21:27

fun of their wife. Like the enemies

21:29

to lovers elements are just giddy.

21:32

She's having such a good time.

21:34

It's the re like, I don't

21:36

like knife to throat, but also like, I wanna

21:38

murder you. But also like I'm saying things that kind of contradict

21:41

that. I just don't understand what's happening. but

21:43

like the, the rebellion loses, right?

21:45

Like they, they get wiped the fuck out. They

21:48

have to flee again. This

21:50

isn't the first part of the book. So like, I don't

21:52

feel bad, uh, for sharing

21:54

it. And so she

21:56

finds out through the course of some events

21:59

that she's actually like the long lost

22:01

princess of this other

22:02

Fuck. Yeah.

22:03

Love it.

22:05

And so she negotiates

22:07

with this kingdom cuz it's. A

22:10

matriarchy. And so she's actually the heir.

22:13

and so she negotiates with this kingdom to

22:15

like harbor the rebellion, like

22:17

the survivors and like give them time to like find

22:20

their feet and shit and hide them from the emperor

22:22

air, the empire. But

22:25

the thing is, is that the empire shows

22:27

up like really fast afterwards and like,

22:30

Is there a marriage of convenience?

22:33

Is there, is there, and is he kinda

22:35

bummed out? Cause he's like, I guess I'm gonna marry this princess. I was

22:37

told to like, whatever. But like I

22:39

kind of keep thinking about this rebel girl that I

22:42

like was very attracted to. And

22:44

then they meet and it's fucking

22:47

Holy shit.

22:49

Perfection. It's perfection. And that's like the

22:51

first like little bit of the book and

22:54

then it's this like push and pull and

22:56

attraction and not, and like this will be,

22:58

we like in PO politics, all the politics

23:01

and it's, I think it's gonna be a trilogy.

23:03

So, but like, where it ends feels really good

23:06

cuz it's like we've set up all this shit,

23:08

the, the, the ticking time bomb.

23:10

That is the reason why this thing is happening

23:13

is hanging over our fucking heads. We gotta

23:15

get this shit together. And

23:17

Oh, oh my God, it's so good. It comes

23:19

out in October and like I

23:21

am about to start just shoving it

23:23

Holy

23:24

a what a dick who, how

23:26

dare, how dare I talk about it this early? But,

23:29

but it's, it's like

23:31

Yeah.

23:31

amazing enemies to lovers

23:34

that like really fulfills on the,

23:36

like there's times when it's like, as

23:38

a reader. I get, I love enemy sellers,

23:40

but I get a little frustrated cause it's like just fuck,

23:43

Good. Totally.

23:44

But also like there's,

23:46

there were war crimes. There were big old

23:48

war crimes. There was a lot of

23:50

like harm done by

23:53

their respective sides. And

23:55

while they can sort

23:57

of like, cuz the whole thing that started

23:59

this conflict is, is the empire who's like

24:01

dark magic was like, or shadow magic, whatever

24:04

was. Did, did do

24:06

like a sort of genocide on the light,

24:08

the like a country that was like mostly light magic

24:11

That's a rough way to Yeah. Build

24:13

bridges, frankly.

24:14

and because they had assassinated

24:17

the leader of the Empire before, it was

24:19

like the empire. So there's like this, all this like,

24:21

well, we were doing this because they did a

24:23

murder first. And it's like, yeah, but you did murder up

24:25

like everybody and then you just kept taking

24:28

land and that's not okay. And it's

24:30

like, yeah, but like look how you were raised. Look

24:32

how you were raised and you were neglected and you were

24:34

fucking in this shitty ass city where you

24:37

starved. And. Nobody

24:39

should starve. And she's like, I don't disagree with

24:41

that, but your methods are bad. And

24:43

it's just like they're, they've

24:45

so

24:45

I like my enemies, delivers with steaks

24:48

Yes. And that's what it

24:49

it's not just like, oh, I kind of don't like you.

24:51

It's like, this is really bad

24:53

and really bad and I really fucking

24:55

hate you and your way of life

24:57

and where you came from and.

25:00

And like he is his deepest.

25:03

Because she's been the rebel, whatever the fuck,

25:05

like she's had to keep people at a distance. She's had

25:07

to do this thing. She doesn't believe that the son

25:10

of the Empa Emperor. Could

25:12

be anything except an enemy. And

25:14

he has this deep seated,

25:17

like his mother left. She fucking abandoned

25:19

him and took off because his dad is

25:21

very scary. And, but to him

25:23

then he was in the care of his father. So he only

25:26

had his father being like, she, she

25:28

like is a, a traitor. She abandoned you, she's

25:30

weak, she's whatever the

25:31

Uh huh. Mm-hmm.

25:33

care of you as well as the empire will. And also

25:35

like you think this little fucking wife that you're gonna

25:37

have is gonna care for you. She's gonna manipulate

25:40

you because you're weak, because you like,

25:42

so anytime she shows any kind of, of

25:45

like flickering of like hesitation,

25:47

he's like, she's playing with me. She's fucking with me. And

25:50

so it's, it's so, oh, they're so damaged.

25:52

And I go, oh, it's so good. and

25:55

the stakes are very real because a whole bunch of

25:57

people are gonna die if, if they can't figure

25:59

their shit out.

26:00

Wow.

26:01

ooh, and it's like set in like

26:03

non-European fantasy, which I

26:05

love. It's cool

26:07

world building. It's anal lovers.

26:09

It's, it's politics and the

26:11

sexual tension is phenomenal.

26:14

Oh, nice.

26:16

So,

26:17

Nice. Would you categorize it as

26:19

a slow burn? A Katie,

26:21

Robert Slow burn.

26:22

Not a kitty rabbit. They don't, they, there's no sex

26:25

in the first book. However, there is several

26:27

encounters. That the

26:29

final one, which again, I'm

26:31

not gonna spoil like the situation around it, but the final

26:33

one was like, I was like, oh, oh,

26:36

we're going here. Like, oh, ok. Alright.

26:39

And then like, yeah,

26:41

so like they, it, it definitely built it,

26:43

I would say slow burn in that. It's like the,

26:45

the tension is really strong throughout, but

26:47

like the actual sexual encounters. Scattered.

26:51

I suspect there'll be more just because

26:53

they cannot stay away from each other,

26:55

even though they're like, don't

26:57

so excited for this.

26:59

Oh God, I,

27:01

I haven't even, I don't think the cover's even been

27:03

revealed yet, which I'm like, could you, I

27:06

just wanna see. I

27:07

Yeah. Right.

27:08

like, when's the second one gonna be done? Now,

27:10

now you have a fan and I'm going to harass you.

27:12

And I'm so sorry. But

27:15

not, but not,

27:16

Oh, but also get that

27:18

second one done before the first one comes out

27:20

because it sounds like you're gonna be under some pressure

27:22

Yeah, when I think, from

27:25

what I understand, because relo relo,

27:27

y'all are wild. And I appreciate

27:29

it because I just like, I didn't tag the author because

27:32

I, it feels weird to tag the authors when I talk about their books

27:34

cuz it feels weird when I get tagged. Cause I'm like,

27:36

how do I respond? Do I not respond? And

27:38

so I didn't tag her when I was like, oh my God, this

27:40

fucking book. And. Relo

27:43

Kool-Aid maned out of the walls, the people

27:46

being like, oh my God, yeah, we

27:48

love this book. And like, I guess it started

27:51

the, like, I think the whole thing started as

27:53

fanfic, which like, it's,

27:55

Whoa.

27:56

it's only slightly, there's just some vibes,

27:58

especially with like his descriptions that I'm like, this

28:01

feels like this is Kylo Ren. This

28:03

feels a little bit like Kaiwa Ren. but

28:06

like

28:07

do I need to watch those movies?

28:10

don't at all?

28:11

the fandom is

28:12

Like how did it spawn?

28:15

So much fervor and like these

28:17

stories that speak to me.

28:19

he's so charismatic at Adam

28:21

Driver as an actor and

28:24

like him and her

28:26

in, I think the second movie have a

28:28

little like some tension that you're like, okay, I

28:31

have not seen the third one though, but like, it

28:32

But if I go in looking for enemies

28:35

to lover's romance, I'm not

28:36

you're not at

28:37

you will not be satisfied and you'll be very

28:39

no. You'll be very mad at us. Yeah,

28:41

yeah, like, but like read the fan fakes, like

28:44

the

28:44

for sure.

28:45

Yeah.

28:46

me. Like I was reading some omega verse

28:48

of them, like a wild

28:50

act and I was like, okay, I

28:53

like this. So like the dynamics

28:55

that they bring in is just delightful. And

28:57

this book is, Fucking

28:59

delightful. And so I, uh, but

29:02

it's, yeah, it's, it's, it goes hard.

29:04

It goes really hard. And she definitely actively

29:06

tries to murder him like a whole bunch.

29:09

Oh, speaking of going hard

29:10

Well, as I was just gonna say, something

29:13

else went hard.

29:14

yeah.

29:15

okay. So Katie was talking to him

29:17

about this book and the whole time she

29:19

was talking about

29:20

Texting,

29:20

Yeah. When I say talking, I mean we text

29:23

300 times a

29:24

and minimum. Yeah.

29:26

un under estimate. It's

29:29

really dangerous in our group chat to

29:31

like do something for like

29:33

an hour or two or like sleep because

29:36

you come back to like 78

29:38

messages. It's yeah.

29:40

Anyway, Katie was texting me about this book she

29:42

was reading and the whole time she's talking

29:44

about, I was like, oh my God, this sounds so intense, but like, I

29:46

can't read it. I can't do spooky,

29:48

I can't do horror. And then

29:51

she just talked about it enough and then I now

29:53

know what it has spawned in Katie.

29:56

And what she's writing as a result of it.

29:58

And I was like, okay, I need, because you know

30:00

those books that like triggers

30:04

something in

30:05

and then you have to like

30:06

Nikki

30:07

in conversation with it.

30:08

Yeah. It's like you have to respond

30:11

to it. Exactly. It's like it just opens

30:13

something. And so I was like, okay, if it's one

30:15

of those books, I'm gonna deviate

30:17

from my hard line on anything related

30:20

to speaking your horn. I'm gonna dive in. And so

30:23

it's called Haunting Adeline. It's by

30:26

two

30:26

HD Carlton.

30:27

hd Carlton. And. It's

30:30

like she is living in

30:32

her grandmother's spooky as shit old

30:34

house and is

30:36

like being stalked. She's being watched.

30:39

She knows it and she likes it.

30:41

And that is the weird line for me

30:44

is that like she likes the scary, spooky stuff

30:46

and she likes that scary,

30:48

uncomfortable

30:50

Mm-hmm.

30:51

that would make me rock in the corner. But I think

30:53

because I could sink into her

30:55

P o V and.

30:56

right.

30:58

Well there's

30:59

vicarious like, oh, I'm into this.

31:02

I with Haunting a adult. Cause I, uh,

31:04

listen, I've spent a lot of time thinking about this book, like

31:07

a lot of time and. Part

31:09

of the cause. Like, I don't like Stalker romance

31:12

in general, except Nikki, the driver by Kate C. Wells.

31:14

That's an exception. but that, that's, that book

31:16

is why I read Haunted Adeline. Cause I was like, well the stalker

31:18

stuff was okay in this. So like, maybe I'll read this other one. he's

31:22

never actually malicious towards

31:24

her. And that's the part part

31:26

that like their dynamic when she's like,

31:29

Trying him and challenging him and

31:31

like telling him to fuck right off. He's always

31:34

like low-key amused no matter what

31:36

he's doing to her or talking to her

31:38

or like threatening her with. And

31:40

I think that's the other element too, is there's no

31:44

malice, which

31:46

makes that dynamic of she's getting

31:48

off on the fear, but also he's like, my

31:50

baby, my baby just, she's just

31:52

gonna be testing me and I'm just gonna have to fuck

31:54

her with a fucking gun now. like.

31:58

Like,

31:59

Wait, wait. Okay. I'm torn

32:01

right now because on the one hand I wanna

32:03

read it, but on the other hand, if both of you

32:05

have read it, this sounds like we have to

32:08

recap it for the podcast at some point.

32:10

You've already done the reading.

32:13

we may have to,

32:14

And then I'll have to read it after

32:17

it's, just, it's, it's

32:20

it's a lot,

32:21

parts of it are pretty dark. Um,

32:23

I don't.

32:26

you dunno if the recap would

32:28

be good.

32:30

I dunno. I dunno.

32:31

I listen.

32:33

think

32:33

Jenny hit that, that note.

32:36

articulate these things

32:39

that like I'm into versus

32:41

just being like, go read it and then tell me about

32:43

your pants

32:44

Check the content warnings first.

32:45

Yeah. Instead of being like, I was into

32:48

this and I shouldn't, and when I say

32:50

it out of context, you're gonna be like, what the

32:52

fuck is wrong with you?

32:54

I, I think that like, cuz I've had some

32:56

people get really mad at me cause I'm like, I'm writing

32:58

a stalking romance that is like in

33:00

conversation with haunting Adeline

33:02

essentially because it awoke things in me

33:05

and people are like that book glorifies non-consent.

33:08

Which yes

33:10

but no, but yes,

33:12

but also like, I

33:14

think because it really is like horror

33:16

romance.

33:17

Yeah.

33:18

It's on the dark end of the dark romance

33:20

spectrum. Like I don't listen,

33:23

I grapple with this shit anyways. But like, it's, it's, it's

33:25

just, and I think I have not read

33:27

the second one cause I just, I don't want to be

33:29

hurt like that. I don't want to

33:31

be hurt cuz she,

33:32

What do you mean hurt?

33:34

cuz, while

33:36

there's like the engaging, like not

33:38

quite actually consensual stuff between them

33:40

and the first one, she's like taken by

33:42

these bad people. In, in and

33:45

actual very bad, very non-consensual

33:47

things happen to her in the second book, and then they have to heal

33:50

from it and he helps, I guess. I don't know.

33:53

Everybody is like, it's so healing. Like he really does address

33:55

the shit that he did that was super fucked up, blah,

33:57

blah, blah. I don't know

33:59

that I need that

34:01

yeah, yeah, yeah. No,

34:02

like the fine, I don't know that I need like the

34:04

sort of trauma porn. Component

34:06

of it, it's the cat and mouse. Like

34:08

Well, and like I don't know if I need it to

34:10

be real,

34:11

right. That's

34:12

that description feels real, whereas

34:15

this other one feels like a very safe,

34:17

I'm just suspending all my disbelief

34:20

and I love that.

34:21

And it, it threads the needle very

34:23

effectively in like, I

34:25

feel like some dark romance is just too much

34:27

for me cuz it feels like it's just a pa pa bapa.

34:30

And I'm like, no, want

34:32

off this ride. but

34:34

like HD Carlton does

34:37

something and I don't, I, I

34:39

will be watching her career very closely

34:41

because I don't know how she does it cuz she did it again

34:43

and does it hurt, which is like

34:46

the most recent release

34:47

Tell them about the sharks. Tell them about

34:49

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Is

34:51

this in the same like universe or

34:53

different? Totally. Okay.

34:54

totally different. And while

34:57

Zaid in Haunting, Adeline is like amused

35:00

and like, like, um, murdery,

35:02

but like, hmm, my baby, shark

35:05

daddy is not, I forget Enzo,

35:07

I think his name is Shark. Daddy

35:10

is

35:10

explain shark daddy to me. Are

35:12

we, are we in Monster? Is

35:15

he a zookeeper?

35:16

No, he's like a, he like does research on

35:19

great whites and shit. Like, he's like a very

35:21

He's a marine biologist.

35:22

yeah, he's into like preserving, like

35:24

he does a lot of, like, he swims with sharks. He's, he's

35:27

a, he's a, he's a dick. He is

35:29

the meanest motherfucker and.

35:33

and like consistently, like not just in

35:35

gen, like just to everybody. And

35:37

she is on the run for reasons

35:40

that I won't get into cuz of spoilers, but she's been

35:42

doing an identity theft on people to like

35:44

get to where she is because she's on the run.

35:47

And so how she does this is she

35:49

picks up dudes in bars and then goes

35:51

homes and fucks them and then steals their identity

35:53

and moves on and feels

35:55

very bad about it. She feels very bad about it, but she's in a bad

35:57

place. She can't, she has no recourse. And

36:00

so, She meets him

36:02

and her first words to him, she turns around, she's

36:04

like, oh no, get outta here. I don't wanna get pregnant from looking at

36:06

you. Like, absolutely not. She's, she's a funny,

36:09

she's so funny. She's so like irreverent.

36:12

But they do, they do a big old, they

36:14

do a big old bone and it is the best sex of anyway's

36:17

life. He, there's so much squirting in this book.

36:19

High five A plus. Love that.

36:21

yeah.

36:22

Love us squirting.

36:23

So then she steals his identity and,

36:26

and poofs, and he's

36:29

furious because he's got some fucking

36:31

shit. And like stealing and being abandoned

36:33

are big things. And like he was just planning on fucking

36:35

her, but like it was a religious experience

36:37

for him too. And so when

36:40

he realizes, when he sees her again, he's

36:42

like, I wanna fucking kill this bitch.

36:44

Like she stole from me, like whatever. And

36:46

he, but he's like, yeah, let's like go on my boat. Like whatever.

36:49

So they go out on his boat and like are getting

36:51

like sexy and stuff and he throws

36:53

chum in the water and there's like great white sharks

36:55

cuz they're in fucking like Australia.

36:58

So he's, he bites her lips

37:00

so she's bleeding

37:01

Okay. Oh,

37:02

Yeah.

37:03

behind and shoves her head into the

37:05

water and she almost

37:08

gets decapitated by a big old great

37:10

white listen.

37:13

And then like they get, then the fucking storm

37:15

comes and they get stranded on this. I an island with

37:17

this lighthouse, with this creepy dude. Whatever. Throughout

37:20

this book, he is so mean

37:22

to her. And the, I don't, which

37:24

again, is not usually how I fucking

37:26

roll because I don't like my, but like,

37:28

it only works because in his point of view, he's like,

37:31

I have to be mean to her because like, I just, she

37:33

did the thing in Merr and it

37:36

like, and then there's like some consensual,

37:38

like, like breath play by drowning,

37:40

which is not safe. Don't do it.

37:42

No, don't do it.

37:44

But, but she gets

37:46

off on. Him

37:48

hurting her essentially.

37:50

Whoa.

37:50

of like your mind now. The only

37:52

one who's gonna hurt you is me, but also I'm gonna

37:54

hurt you. And she's like, okay. and

37:57

it's just like, oh

37:59

my God. Like,

38:00

Holy shit.

38:01

it's so intense. It is

38:03

hits that Katie

38:05

and I, the last time we like freaked out

38:07

about something like this together, I think was brutal. Brutal

38:10

PR words. Brutal

38:12

Prince by Sophie

38:13

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

38:14

they're like me and this is that up

38:17

here? Like it's

38:18

Oh wow.

38:19

the nth degree of like,

38:22

it's, but you know what, like between Nikki

38:24

Sloan in. Sorted

38:27

and brutal Prince, I'm like, is

38:29

drowning my love language? I don't,

38:31

I don't know. I'm very confused.

38:33

I'm very afraid of drowning. I am deeply

38:36

afraid of the ocean in the dark depths. And also

38:38

this was very hot and I don't understand

38:41

and like I don't, I

38:43

like I'm grappling with it because it's like,

38:45

it's not something that I would normally be like, oh, I

38:47

love this and. Loved

38:50

it. And so I, I

38:52

just be, while I'm grappling with it, some

38:54

something's gonna come out of it. I don't know, but it's

38:57

Holy

38:57

Yeah, it

38:58

Har Carlton does, like, has

39:02

an interesting, I can see why she's gotten

39:04

so popular so fast is because she just

39:06

threads that needle of fearlessness and it's

39:08

fearless. Fearless.

39:10

Oh my God. Oh my God.

39:12

Okay. I listen. I

39:14

don't know. Uh, okay. Sharks

39:17

are my number one irrational fear.

39:20

That's

39:20

to let you know, So

39:23

like on the one hand I

39:26

like, I wanna read it. Is

39:29

there any like under the water stuff,

39:31

like both of them are under the water That's not in

39:33

a cage.

39:34

No, no, they do like, sort

39:37

of, it's not, it's sex stuff, it's fine. Uh,

39:39

towards like at the end, like once the

39:41

things have resolved that need to be resolved, they,

39:44

he does fuck her in a shark cage against

39:46

the boat while the

39:47

That's fine

39:47

swarming.

39:48

That's fine with me. That's

39:49

and very,

39:51

They're safe. It's

39:52

yeah. Yeah. He definitely doesn't keep trying

39:54

to like, actively murder her by way

39:56

of sharks,

39:56

Mm-hmm.

39:58

yeah,

39:58

is enough. Once is really just enough to

40:00

hit that

40:01

so literally I

40:02

you can move on.

40:03

I'm like, oh, oh, oh,

40:05

he's actually, he's not bluffing. He's, oh

40:07

my God,

40:08

is that from her point of view or his point of view written?

40:10

How is it written? That

40:11

both.

40:12

No, of course it's

40:14

and then goes to his point of view because

40:17

she doesn't know that. He knows that she

40:19

stole from him cuz she took pictures of his information

40:22

and. until

40:24

he's like shoving her head under the water

40:26

and then she's like, what the fuck? And he's like,

40:28

you fucking stole from me. And she's like, what

40:30

the fuck?

40:32

Holy God.

40:33

you. That's not a reasonable response

40:35

to a little bit of thi my dude, she

40:39

opened a credit card. She barely spent any money on it.

40:41

You could have canceled it. You didn't have to do it like,

40:45

good

40:46

I'm

40:46

You didn't have to do an attempted

40:48

murder is all.

40:50

so hurt that like he's been saying Jamie

40:52

and her name is Sawyer. And so

40:54

like, he like when he was like, I wasn't even fucking

40:57

saying your name when I was fucking you. And like,

40:58

mm-hmm. It's a big

41:00

got under his skin and that's the

41:03

ultimate betrayal.

41:03

But like he does this because he takes her to like, like in

41:05

the beginning, like when they, before they like,

41:08

they're hooking up. He's like, yeah, which

41:10

again, she's got like, it's

41:13

not really suicidal ideation, but she's like,

41:15

kind of hates herself and hates what she's been doing. And so

41:17

she's like, if I fucking die, I die, bitch. And

41:19

so he takes her to this like waterfall and they say,

41:21

Swim underneath and like there's a cave

41:23

in there. And then he fucks her in this cave. But like,

41:26

while he's like inside her does a finger

41:28

inside her to stimulate G-spot while

41:30

fucking, and it's, which

41:33

you know, she's like, this kind of

41:35

is a lot, this is a lot for me. I

41:37

Sounds like a lot,

41:38

and then, you know, makes a big ole

41:41

mess. They change the sheets a lot at the White House,

41:43

I'm

41:43

Yeah, they do.

41:44

Excellent towels, friends.

41:46

Put the towel down after the first time.

41:49

Learn your lesson.

41:50

It's, you know, it's, it's so much. But

41:52

it was, and he, again, he's so mean. And

41:55

I was like, I don't, I don't think I'm into

41:57

heroes Who are this mean to, like, to their heroines,

41:59

to other people, that's fine. But like to the

42:01

person that like, I need to be rooting for them

42:03

to

42:04

Uh

42:04

And it's just like, How,

42:07

but like they, they identify

42:09

stuff in each other and they're both like a little lost

42:11

and like

42:12

oh.

42:13

he, he gets real mad when he finds out what she's been

42:15

through and wants to do big old murder

42:16

Oh boy.

42:18

and I think what's so interesting about

42:20

it is that he's not a murderer.

42:23

Like he's not a big, uh, like a criminal.

42:25

He's a fucking marine biologist, like

42:28

Well, you know what?

42:29

be a big old dick

42:30

I think that might be my favorite component of

42:32

this, because on the, on the heaving

42:34

bosoms reading Embrace this year, one of the

42:37

categories is science. Daddy Like,

42:39

this could be perfect for science.

42:43

it, it could, it, it's so,

42:45

because like I thought, I knew it was enemies

42:47

to lovers and, but I don't read blurbs

42:49

when it's an Insta by author for me, so I didn't

42:51

read the fucking blurb. So I thought he

42:53

was like an assassin scent to kill her.

42:55

And I was like, oh God, she better be careful. And it, he's

42:58

just a fucking marine biologist. He's

43:00

That's hilarious.

43:02

Because I was like, oh, he's so mean to her. Because

43:04

he's like playing her and No, he's just

43:07

a dick. He's just a big hole asshole.

43:09

Which makes it better.

43:11

It really does. It truly does it

43:15

Oh, well this has brought me

43:17

joy and we didn't

43:20

even get through. We had

43:22

more, but we just get so excited

43:24

that we'll have to save it for another

43:26

episode. we're

43:29

not gonna do a super regular

43:31

release schedule

43:32

We're not.

43:33

a while. We're gonna release them

43:35

when we find time and joy

43:38

to record

43:39

Yeah, Yeah,

43:41

once a month. Maybe we'll check a couple more.

43:43

Maybe there will be a gap. Just keep an eye out.

43:46

Right, right. I mean, cuz that's the thing,

43:48

right? Like we, we had this conversation.

43:51

November or December where we were like,

43:54

we want this to be a long-term

43:56

thing. And in order for

43:59

it to be a long-term thing, we

44:01

need to avoid burnout

44:03

as much as possible. And for

44:05

us, that's like we need to

44:07

focus on things that are like really giving us.

44:10

God, what is, what is it called? Energy, pennies.

44:13

Yeah. Yeah. That's what it is.

44:14

that's exactly what it's called.

44:16

And like sometimes that's podcasting and

44:18

sometimes it's super not and

44:21

that's, that's gotta be okay.

44:23

Cuz our whole thing is chasing joy.

44:25

Yeah.

44:26

been really nice to like read books that

44:28

don't feel like homework. Not that we don't

44:30

enjoy the homework books, but just being able to

44:32

be like trying

44:34

some new shit and finding some

44:36

new shit.

44:37

Yeah.

44:38

been effective and

44:42

in the meantime we are bringing

44:45

six bonkers of shit fun,

44:48

sexy pirate books

44:50

your way. they're done.

44:52

We have read them. They are. Fucking

44:55

excellent.

44:56

bananas.

44:57

mine's pretty tame, but it's fine. It's fine.

44:59

They're having fun.

45:01

no, but yours is like fulfilling enough to still

45:03

be bananas.

45:04

It's a princess who kidnapped herself

45:07

in order to get her long lost lady.

45:09

Love to come and get her.

45:11

right. But, but cna, Costas has

45:14

Right. No, I hear

45:16

does have voor

45:17

the

45:18

Nisha Sharma has a sex tape to

45:20

save a planet.

45:21

Ah-huh. That's true.

45:23

Reverse. What word am I like?

45:25

reverse.

45:25

Reverse nodding. Yeah, reverse

45:29

that

45:29

And Andy j Christopher's has a public blowjob

45:32

for spiteful reasons. And, and

45:34

Naima Simone has a big

45:36

old kidnapped from the brother's wedding. He's

45:39

kidnapped his brother's

45:41

It's

45:41

the

45:41

so much. It's so much like all

45:43

of them, like reading them, they were fucking

45:46

electric and I'm so excited about them and like

45:48

that's the thing, right? We've been absent not

45:51

only because of pleasure reading, but also because like,

45:54

You know, we're working through like

45:56

commissioning this awesome art and like,

45:58

you know, getting this stuff ready for

46:00

the Kickstarter. I'm fucking pumped

46:02

about it. The books are

46:05

gonna be bananas.

46:07

Beautiful. We,

46:09

we said, we said to ourselves,

46:12

we said, listen, we made some

46:14

amazing flippy floppy books last year and we're highly

46:16

proud of them, but did they. Step

46:18

backs? No. Did they have sprayed edges?

46:21

Ah, no. Did they have like

46:24

multiple colors of foil? No, they didn't. And

46:26

for that, we are sorry

46:28

because whoa, we're

46:31

delivering this year. Ah,

46:33

limits of how far we could go, and

46:35

so we went far. We went so far

46:37

Do they have a glossary with art

46:39

of the characters in them?

46:42

Like yeah.

46:45

I'm obsessed with it. I'm. Yeah.

46:47

So anyway, that's what, ah,

46:50

that's what we're doing. And just talking

46:52

about it brings me joy even as

46:55

well.

46:56

Yeah. So, secrets. We

46:59

are probably launching that at

47:01

the end of April.

47:02

Mm-hmm.

47:03

Maybe that last week of April, but we're

47:06

trying to make sure we've got book proofs in hand, so

47:08

that might push to May, but

47:10

keep an eye out for April. And if you wanna make sure

47:12

you do not miss it launching,

47:14

because some of it is limited this time.

47:16

Oh yeah. Big limited stuff.

47:18

you can follow the project on Kickstarter.

47:21

Yeah.

47:22

Hey. And also at the end of April, all three

47:24

of us will be at a Polycon.

47:25

We'll be at a

47:27

Oh shit. Yeah,

47:28

the gang is getting together.

47:30

are. It's gonna be the first time

47:31

We're just gonna sit across the room and text each

47:33

other.

47:35

Probably That's

47:37

what's gonna feel most natural.

47:39

Yeah. Yeah. Like in person. Are

47:41

we even real people? I don't know.

47:43

No. Am I expected to wear

47:45

pants? Is this a thing?

47:47

I mean, honestly.

47:49

I, I will not be

47:51

in heels. That's for damn sure. Never

47:53

again.

47:54

No. No. But

47:57

yeah, if anybody else is gonna to polycon, let us

47:59

know that. We will see you there. We'll keep an

48:01

eye out. We will. Yeah.

48:04

Excited.

48:05

Yeah. It'll be fun.

48:06

yeah.

48:07

All right. How do we end these episodes? Do we have

48:09

a way that we end

48:10

Um,

48:11

Oh, we normally have an outro. Yes.

48:15

remember. And then

48:17

the fucking ridiculous shit that Mel and

48:19

I come up with to fill into that blank. I really

48:21

hope somebody listens to all of them

48:23

because at like

48:25

sometimes there are drafts.

48:27

when I'm sitting there, like, what do I, and

48:29

Mel's asleep so I can't be like, isn't this okay?

48:31

I just say it and I'm like, it's fine.

48:34

Nobody's listening.

48:35

Uhhuh, Uhhuh,

48:37

And remember if you're gonna fuck a marine

48:39

biologist,

48:41

Do not do it on the boat.

48:44

Yeah,

48:44

That's like

48:46

Make sure the cage is down, at least to

48:48

God. so

48:52

dangerous.

48:53

Oh.