0:00

Hey, book chokes 87 Stafie, letting you know that I'm

0:02

doing a stand up show at the twenty twenty three

0:04

Melbourne International Comedy Festival and Adelaide

0:06

fringe Festival. It's a show called

0:08

Even hotter in real life, taking place

0:10

in Adelaide March four, five, and six,

0:13

and for two weeks at the Melbourne International Comedy

0:15

Festival from Monday, March twenty seventh.

0:18

Get your tickets at the Adelaide fringe and Melbourne

0:20

comedy festival websites and man, I

0:22

really hope to see you there.

0:37

Hello and welcome to book sheet.

0:39

The Book Club Podcasts were over the book.

0:41

So you don't have to.

0:43

My name is Dave Warnerke. And on each episode

0:45

of the show, we look at one of the classics and

0:48

joining me to look at such a classic this

0:49

week, it's my friend. Your friend,

0:52

our friend, 87 Stewart. Thanks

0:54

so much for

0:55

having me. Oh, man. A bit of a sigh

0:57

of relief when you said that so you don't

0:59

have 87.

1:00

There was a little panic there, and he said, the book

1:02

club 87. I'm like, oh my god. Oh

1:04

my god. This might haven't done this show probably. It

1:06

doesn't last time. I said, oh, no. I

1:08

listened to it. I've been on 87. And

1:10

still my brain went, hang on second with me. Read

1:12

the book. What was the homework? What was the

1:14

homework? The whole wait. Does the whole

1:16

point of this podcast? Not what I remembered

1:18

it to be. Yeah. It's actually a

1:20

reverse one this week when Matt read the book so

1:22

we don't talk.

1:24

Now we are recording in Adelaide.

1:27

Yes. What a beautiful city. Lovely.

1:29

Lovely 87. We've I mean, didn't have the

1:31

best weather this morning, but until now, it's been pretty

1:33

good out there. We're here for the Adelaide fringe

1:36

87, we've pop basically, popped over

1:38

a cheeky weekend, a three

1:40

night run of our new

1:41

shows. By the time this comes out, they've

1:43

all done. And, yes, they were fantastic.

1:46

Yeah. I can say that for with certainty

1:49

that we hit them all out of the park.

1:51

We smashed them. Oh,

1:54

we can say that. Hopefully, we can We got one go.

1:56

Yeah. first two were fine for sure. Been

1:58

having having a great time. I

1:59

think, you know,

2:00

I I reckon I could do this

2:02

podcast having not read the book. I've certainly

2:05

I've certainly done that before. I've got form.

2:07

I did an

2:09

English minor in my degree. And

2:12

I did quite a few oral presentations about

2:14

novels hadn't read. You'd never read them.

2:16

Well, I tried

2:17

to. That was so boring. Is

2:19

that what you said in your presentation?

2:21

I tried to read it, but know what Charles Dickens?

2:23

Snore? Yeah. Yeah.

2:26

I I think

2:29

doing it today would be a lot easier.

2:31

Because you'd have a podcast like

2:32

this. I just read out the transcript. What

2:35

were you going on back then?

2:38

Well, you know, it's still some websites

2:40

that broke it down and 87, I guess.

2:42

I can't really

2:43

remember. Yeah.

2:44

You 87 to three hundred years ago. Right. You went to paying,

2:46

like, the 87, keeping your close

2:47

attention. No. I'd so I was still I mean,

2:49

I was reading I was just reading summaries and

2:52

87, but -- Yep. Yep. --

2:52

yeah. It's I wish I could go

2:55

back and take it more seriously. Well,

2:57

Youth is wasted on the young. Oh,

3:00

what a witty man. Now how about

3:03

I read you a summary right now? The one that

3:05

I've come up with.

3:05

Oh, yeah. As I've read the books that you don't have to this

3:08

week, we are talking about. It's a very

3:10

famous 87 story this one. Can

3:12

you tell him slightly time, Paul, preparing for the

3:14

87 French festival. So I've gone with a

3:16

87 book this

3:17

week, and it is The Legend of

3:19

sleepy hollow. This is

3:22

exciting. So this is sort of like a

3:23

is 87 sort of like a horror book? Yes.

3:26

Because I thought, you know, March It's the spookiest

3:28

time of the year. It is. Let's get the spooky.

3:30

You

3:30

know, everyone's panicking about the festival

3:32

show. Yeah. That's true. They're all freaking

3:34

out. Not as the legend of

3:36

sleepy hollow. This has been suggested by one person

3:39

and thank you so much for your fantastic

3:41

work suggesting

3:41

this. McKenna Middlebrook from

3:43

Newark New York. Oh, yeah.

3:46

87 when does work? I love his name. I love it

3:48

and a 87 name like that. Yeah.

3:51

M m for men in. Oh, yeah. 87 kinda

3:53

been a rock from Newark New York. Thank you so much

3:55

for the suggestion. Fantastic stuff. You can always

3:58

suggest a book and, you know, when I get to it, I'm

4:00

gonna get to them all. 87 my commitment. Yep. Think there's

4:02

about five thousand of these 87 so far.

4:04

And I'm going to to the moment I get there, I'll give

4:06

you a shout out. So there's a link in the description

4:08

of this episode, or if you go to the book 87,

4:11

all Instagram

4:12

accounts. There's a little link in the buyers. And, yeah, tell me

4:14

why I should do 87. Luckily, the there's

4:17

less than a book release every week. So we'll be able

4:19

to get caught up to move. Exactly.

4:21

I'm really catching up. Yep. Luckily,

4:24

yeah, the the book industry is slowing.

4:28

And I'm increasing. Yes. Oh,

4:30

I don't know. You yours has fought lately. Luckily,

4:34

the book industry only releases less

4:36

than one book a

4:37

month.

4:38

Thank goodness for that. You're

4:39

catching up fast.

4:40

You've honestly, I too. They need to start

4:42

cranking out the books, so I'm gonna have nothing to talk

4:45

Do you think March is the spookiest month

4:47

of the year? Because I guess because you know how we

4:49

do Halloween in 87? I

4:51

guess, does that mean in the northern hemisphere

4:54

they do it in March? Yeah.

4:56

87. Kind of works out. Doesn't 87. March,

4:59

April. So yeah. Right.

5:01

It's funny how they

5:02

yeah. They celebrate things like six

5:04

months apart from us, because the seasons or whatever. And

5:06

they sort of take our events -- Yeah. -- and

5:08

87 take them over. Under then, we had north

5:11

north of hemisphere version. Yeah.

5:13

So it comes out a bit wrong. It's not quite

5:15

real Australian Halloween,

5:17

but --

5:17

Yeah. -- I've seen it in movies and stuff. It's a bit

5:19

of fun. Yeah.

5:20

No. But some of the older generation are like, oh, this

5:22

is such an

5:22

Australian culture.

5:24

Why are you bringing that here? Enough.

5:26

You know, we we need to keep our own culture.

5:29

We can't be dominated by 87

5:31

culture. So 87 all done day this.

5:33

Bluey that.

5:36

Now, do you know anything about the legend of sleepy

5:38

hall? Did you get an image or anything comes into your mind. My

5:40

image is black and white 87-

5:43

Mhmm. -- maybe Johnny

5:45

Depp riding a

5:47

horse. And wearing like

5:50

looking Gothic. 87? think that's pretty that's

5:52

pretty good. Yeah. Certainly some of the

5:54

the key images, Johnny Depp being

5:56

one. You mentioned that in your oral presentation.

5:59

When I was reading this book, Johnny Depp was

6:01

really good. Oh,

6:03

no. Oh, no. Oh, god. Yeah.

6:06

I think it must have been a sleepy hollow

6:08

with Johnny 87 movie

6:09

made, like, twenty years ago or something. Yeah. It's a Tim

6:11

Burton one. So it's been adapted for

6:13

many things, like, because it's quite old, which

6:15

I'll tell you about the context of the

6:17

sector. It's been in radio. It's been in cinema.

6:19

It's been in TV. My

6:21

apologies. Because we're gonna do a double

6:23

today. I'm gonna do a primates with you.

6:26

And I was because primates are the podcast

6:28

I

6:28

do. That's all about. Primates in

6:30

popular culture, nonhuman ones.

6:32

Right.

6:32

Last

6:32

87 we're on tour at the end of last year, I did

6:35

Shoracombs, the hand of the 87. So

6:37

we found 87 version

6:39

of Sherlock Holmes, about a bit

6:42

hands of the 87, but they've

6:44

featured testing among You were so stoked

6:46

when you found out that they were testing on monkeys. 87

6:48

cents. It was really yeah. One of the

6:51

I mean, I don't think it was one of the few 87. I've

6:53

been stoked about testing on

6:54

monkeys. Yeah. Yes. Like Probably

6:56

the only one even. The

6:57

only one. But for this one, we also

6:59

did it when you did the story of

7:02

the the 87. That's right. You

7:04

did the decks' laboratory episode.

7:06

For 87 is the dangerous game? Most dangerous

7:09

game.

7:09

Most dangerous game. That's right. And

7:11

so this time I found one. It

7:13

took a while, but I found a cartoon that

7:16

uses this 87, and it's

7:18

a ghostbusters cartoon. 87

7:20

all not. Not the ghostbusters you

7:22

might think of with Bill Murray and all those --

7:24

Okay. characters because that So by

7:26

Smith and Melissa McCarthy. No. The one with

7:28

87 McCarthy and one of the 87,

7:31

I mean, of course, Australia -- Yeah. -- Culture. Taking

7:34

over America. But No.

7:36

It's the there was another one, so 87 there was a

7:38

bit of a copyright issue at one point. But

7:40

the the lesser known one has

7:43

one of the 87, the Ghost Bus team

7:45

is a gorilla. 87 take.

7:48

So we're gonna watch that after this and then record

7:50

a

7:51

87. Fantastic. And we'll try and really assess the

7:53

same. If not, Similar times.

7:55

Similar times. Similar times. And you can check that out

7:57

on the 87

7:57

feed.

7:58

We'll both be sitting on our computers, saying

8:00

543. 87 got those

8:02

keys. We're gonna turn right and

8:06

an on 87. Ten.

8:07

321, ten. Okay.

8:09

Oh, no. My wife, I dropped out.

8:13

You never say that on the movies where someone stuffs

8:15

up the

8:15

turn. No. Like, I reckon I should

8:18

use that for realism. Yeah. So

8:20

the legend of sleepy hauler, let me tell you about it. It

8:22

is short story by American author,

8:24

Washington Irving. 87?

8:28

It's contained in his collection of thirty four

8:30

essays and short stories. 87,

8:33

the sketchbook of Jeffrey Crayon,

8:36

comma, 87. Okay.

8:39

I love it. The vent probably saved it a bit 87

8:42

basically it's written under the incredible pen

8:44

name of Jeffrey Crayon, which

8:47

Irving used from this point on throughout

8:49

his

8:49

career. 87 not a Now 87 a crayon

8:51

name. 87 is that's good

8:53

stuff. Is this before crayons are

8:56

a

8:56

thing? Because otherwise you're not choosing

8:58

that as a name. No. When were

9:00

crayons invented?

9:03

Were they named after this guy? He

9:05

famously wrote his all

9:08

his novels with colored

9:09

wax. Crayola Crayons,

9:12

which I guess they're the the big ones from the

9:14

Smithsonian were invented in nineteen o

9:16

three. By cousins Edwin

9:18

87 and Sea Harold Smith.

9:21

So there you go. This is before Crayon.

9:23

This is in eighteen nineteen,

9:26

eighteen twenty.

9:27

Yeah. Maybe they're big fans. Big fans.

9:29

So Jeffrey Crayon, 87. 87

9:32

published serially throughout eighteen nineteen and eighteen

9:35

twenty, the sketchbook is as often referred

9:37

to. Also contains Washington Irving's

9:39

other most enduring

9:40

story, Rip Van Winkle. Oh,

9:43

I've heard of that, but I don't know what it means. See, the one

9:45

that jumps over the candlestick. No.

9:49

That's Jacky nimble.

9:50

Is he ripped torn? Rip

9:54

Van Winkle, I believe. I didn't know too much about it. It's a

9:56

name that I also recognize. So had a cursory

9:58

look. And I think it's a guy who falls

10:00

asleep for seven years or something that wakes up in the

10:03

civil wars over.

10:05

Oh, yeah. I've heard that before. Oh, nice thing.

10:07

A third of draft judges, but this is ridiculous.

10:10

Oh, so I 87 through

10:11

it. Slipped through the wall. Man,

10:14

I was really prepared to go out there and risk my life,

10:16

but it's ready to go if

10:17

I look for what I believe 87. It's just so

10:19

tired. So

10:21

these are his two most enduring stories, but in his

10:23

lifetime Irving wrote lots of

10:25

history books and biographies, including a

10:27

five volume biography of George

10:30

87, published just eight months

10:32

before, Irving died at the age of seventy

10:34

six. 87 he pumped it out.

10:37

He's an interesting guy that this serving.

10:39

He comes up with great nicknames. Early

10:42

on or just names in general. Early

10:44

on in his career, he created a character called

10:47

Dedrick Knickerbocker.

10:49

Oh, yeah. That's good. Classic name.

10:51

And have we we talked about this before or not?

10:53

He's

10:54

the one who came up with No. That's the who became

10:56

an 87 know, the New York Knicks and everything came

10:58

from

10:58

Yeah. So his first novel. When do we talk about

11:00

that? Because I was reading this going this is really jockey

11:03

memories.

11:03

I think we talked about it on a on a DUGO

11:05

on episode. Yeah.

11:06

This is that guy. Yeah. That's I didn't

11:08

realize it was the same guy. Yeah. So he I

11:10

think it was sort of like a book of

11:12

the

11:12

world. So a thing. Yes. I've got it here.

11:15

It's a

11:15

87 of New York from the beginning of the

11:17

world to the end of the Dutch 87,

11:20

and it's sort of fictionalized.

11:22

Yeah. Yes. And he's written by under the name, 87

11:25

Knickerbocker. So he loves a pen name, and that came

11:27

out in eighteen oh nine. And Knickerbocker

11:30

is a Dutch American 87.

11:33

This is the character he's created. Yeah. He dressed

11:35

in a specific type of baggy need

11:37

trousers referred to as knickerbocker's

11:41

87 shortened to knickers. And

11:44

with this one book, so many different

11:47

things are now named because of him

11:49

-- Yes. -- 87 does this pen name?

11:51

So in the 87 early twentieth century,

11:53

men or boys baggy need breaches

11:55

became popular, and they started calling him

11:58

Nikibakos because they're named after the resemblance

12:00

of Nikibakos to the knee breeches worn by

12:02

the men in George

12:05

Crookshanks 87 of of

12:07

Erving's book. And then Nikkebacher also

12:09

became a term given to the descendants of the

12:11

original Dutch settlers that later

12:13

became New York. And this is where the

12:15

NBA 87, the New York Knicks or the New York

12:17

Knickerbocker's, their full title gets their name

12:19

from. In that world. And

12:21

then I guess Nick is like is underwear.

12:23

Yeah. So that's the shortening of that too. I

12:26

love that sort of stuff. My guy. So

12:30

and here's a 87 comes full circle,

12:32

87 Knickerbocker is the narrator

12:35

for the legend of sleepy hollow. Also

12:37

Rip Van Winkle. So in these thirty three

12:40

essays, it's published under well,

12:42

Johnny Crayon, obviously. And

12:44

then within

12:45

that, There's also two stories written

12:47

by 87 Knickerbocker, and there is two most famous

12:50

stories. Oh, right. There you go.

12:52

So 87 certainly sort of created a a

12:54

universe. Yeah. Yeah. When

12:57

87 when's one of the big video

12:59

one of the big movie productionally?

13:02

Company's gonna take it on. Big studio,

13:04

I could see the the Rip Van Winkle

13:06

University. Big. Is

13:08

this is this a rip? Is this rip? Is

13:11

this Rip Cannon? Yeah.

13:13

And the Legend of Sophie Hollow has been seen as an

13:15

important text because it is among the earliest

13:17

examples of American of American fiction

13:20

with enduring popularity. And

13:22

it was popular in Europe who made people sit up

13:24

and take note of 87 coming out of

13:26

America. So

13:27

before

13:27

that, they hadn't really broken through. Right.

13:29

Still saying as a cultural backwater.

13:32

Yeah. Love it. Alright.

13:34

Well, we always start with the opening line and this is

13:36

the 87 line of the legend of sleepy hollow.

13:39

It's a long one. Your 87 long

13:41

sentences. Okay. Great. That's classic

13:44

Knickerbocker. In the

13:46

bosom of one of those spacious coves,

13:48

which in 87, the eastern shore

13:50

of the Hudson, at that broad

13:52

expansion of the river denominated by

13:54

the ancient Dutch navigators, the Tappan

13:57

Z, and where they always prudently

13:59

shortened sail and implored the

14:01

protection of Saint Nicholas when they 87,

14:04

their lies a small market town

14:06

or rural port which by some

14:08

is called Greensberg, but which

14:10

is more generally and properly known

14:12

by the name of 87.

14:17

And we're off. That is a long

14:19

sentence. It really sucks you in 87,

14:21

doesn't it? Yeah. Paint a picture of 87 Terry.

14:23

Yeah. Yeah. No. It's super long.

14:25

There's about seven or eight commas.

14:27

87 just keeps going. Alright.

14:30

So we're offering these So the the all of that

14:32

is fictional, but the Hudson is the a real

14:34

river? Or is that all this is all just in some

14:36

make believe

14:37

place?

14:37

No. It is. It's all that those places all exist.

14:40

They do exist. 87.

14:41

But even 87? Tarrytown. Yeah.

14:44

Oh my god. So we're we're in

14:46

the Dutch settlement of Greensburg or Tarrytown,

14:48

which is in the 87 of New York, and about two miles

14:50

down the road, is a very quiet

14:52

valley that the narrator, Deirdre

14:55

Knickerbocker, describes thus.

14:58

From the listless Repose of

15:00

the place and the peculiar characters

15:02

of its 87, who are descendants

15:04

from the original Dutch settlers, this

15:07

sequestered Glen has long been known

15:09

by the name of sleepy hollow and

15:11

its rustic lads are called

15:14

the sleepy hollow

15:15

boys. Wonder

15:17

how they

15:17

come up with that. Wow. No relation.

15:22

So it's supposed to be this lovely

15:24

and quiet dreamy little place. 87

15:26

all the residents believe that it's also haunted

15:28

by supernatural happenings.

15:31

There's a lot of superstitions and strange stuff

15:33

going on, but the narrator tells us,

15:35

The dominant spirit, however, that haunts

15:38

this enchanted region and seems to

15:40

be commander in chief of all the

15:42

powers of the

15:42

air, is the apparition of a

15:44

figure on horseback without

15:47

a head.

15:48

Oh my god.

15:48

87 just said, see where he's going. Oh my gosh.

15:51

What's he doing? Steering a lot of the planes? I guess,

15:54

87 it's gonna trust the horse. The horse has a head.

15:56

Right? The horse is headed

15:59

headed. headed horse. Single headed horse.

16:01

Okay. Between them, they have one head.

16:04

They're right. It's said to be by some

16:07

the ghost of a Hessian 87 whose

16:09

head had been carried away by a cannonball

16:12

in some nameless battle during

16:14

the revolutionary war.

16:16

Right. Now a hessen or hessian

16:19

is the English and American confrontations is

16:21

a name given to German soldiers who

16:23

served as auxiliaries to the British

16:25

Army during the American Revolutionary

16:27

War. And so basically they're saying that

16:30

this headless soldier

16:32

lost his head in battle

16:35

and is now 87 this place --

16:37

k. --

16:37

on horseback. You

16:38

know, the cannonball carried it away.

16:40

Yeah. It carried it away. It's an image.

16:43

A picture of the cannonball with arms

16:45

and legs. Yeah. Scaring off

16:47

with your

16:47

head. This is mine now.

16:50

Is that is that the same word as the

16:52

Saxx? Did the the Germans

16:54

come up with the the session sex?

16:58

That's a great question. And I'm gonna

17:00

giggle

17:00

it right now.

17:02

87 question. Might be a bit of a stretch, but I

17:04

appreciate it. Well, it's

17:06

the same spelling. What's it called a a burlap

17:09

or gummy sack? Or

17:11

87 sac? Sack

17:14

of many names. There you go.

17:18

So The answer is, I

17:20

guess. So

17:23

this headless soldier on horseback has often seen

17:25

riding in the valley and near the church

17:27

and it speculated that each night he

17:29

rides back to the scene of the battle to look for

17:32

his head and that he's often in a

17:34

rush to get back to the church 87 where

17:36

he's buried before

17:38

daybreak. Right. It can't be seen during the

17:40

the daylight hours. Okay. How

17:42

how does a headless person look for their

17:44

head? Mhmm. You know what I mean? Just a

17:46

lot of

17:48

87 of feeling on the right hand, looking with

17:50

his hands Yes. -- or really trusting

17:52

the horse. That's true. The

17:54

horse has to use it as a meditation. Is 87 a

17:56

talking

17:57

horse? Yeah.

17:58

Yeah.

17:58

How does a 87 does a communicator, like,

18:01

he can't listen or talk to head this horseman.

18:04

There's a lot of questions here, isn't there? Well, maybe

18:06

it's just a vague thing. Yeah. I think

18:09

I've heard that people with ride horses are a lot.

18:11

They they, you know, they're the real connection that

18:14

developed. Oh, that's right. From your thighs

18:16

to them. Yeah. 87 he speaks to his

18:18

thighs. Yeah. Yeah. 87 your thighs did to talk

18:21

about? Double thighs are three

18:22

off. Yeah. Yeah. 87 Squares

18:24

for yes, one Squares for now.

18:25

Sometimes I wish you'd stop letting your thighs

18:27

do the talking. You you know what I

18:29

mean? Yeah. Should I probably use

18:31

my mouth a bit more.

18:31

Yeah. We've been sharing a a place here for the last

18:34

few nights. And, honestly, if you could put

18:36

some pants back on, I can't communicate like

18:38

everyone else. Alright. Well, I mean, you've you've made

18:40

your 87, and I've I've used my voice

18:42

for the majority of this podcast so

18:44

far.

18:44

I've only I've

18:44

only said a couple of things with my files. Yeah. But 87

18:47

getting that subtext. So

18:49

the locals give this guy their creative name,

18:51

the headless horsemen of sleepy

18:53

hollow. They're very literal

18:55

people. They're really all. really the sleepy.

18:58

The sleepy hollow boys. I

19:01

say it as I say it. Absolutely. We

19:03

soon meet one of the residents of the town

19:06

This is our main character. Another

19:08

amazing name here. Ekahbaud Crane.

19:12

Ekahbaud Crane. How does it 87

19:15

Crane.

19:16

Do you think an ancestor of 87 Fraser?

19:19

I think so. Yeah. 87

19:23

So Ekebaud, Fraser Crane

19:25

has only recently moved to town as the school

19:27

master and doesn't have a house 87 rather

19:29

travels between local people's

19:31

places. Staying on their farms for a

19:33

week at a time, doing odd jobs to

19:35

pay the rent.

19:37

He's a very tall and very lanky man

19:39

leaving the use the word link. Describe him

19:41

as a link like that.

19:44

You've seen 87 quiet and nice in his day to

19:46

day life, but in classroom is pretty strict

19:48

and a bit brutal to be honest, punishing

19:50

the naughty kids with a rod saying

19:52

you'll thank me when you're older.

19:54

Really? 87 does he do with the

19:56

rod? I think just, you know, gives

19:59

him a snack.

20:00

Yeah. Right. A rod. Like

20:02

a yeah. A cane or whatever. guess this is the

20:04

eighteen hundreds.

20:05

Yeah. He probably they probably

20:08

has been quite kind compared to

20:10

normally, they'd, you know, 87 off

20:12

fingers. Yeah. A sword

20:14

or something. The guillotine now. Yeah. He's

20:17

also quite good or at least

20:19

described as being loud at

20:21

singing 87

20:23

is very funny. Well,

20:27

no. They don't say he's good, but they do

20:28

say he's loud. Wow. He's loud. This

20:33

I found that I 87 describing the the volume

20:35

rather than the quality of the voice, which

20:38

is good stuff. And through that

20:40

sheer volume, he became the town singing

20:42

master for extra

20:43

cash. Rowan

20:46

87 used to have singing master. Oh, yeah. That

20:48

were great times. It was a good day. Everything. There

20:50

was a master of everything. 87 master.

20:52

They did all the 87 writing -- Yep. --

20:54

at the scrubble master.

20:57

They did all the 87

20:58

scrubbling. You

21:00

know, this goes on. He

21:02

believes in witchcraft and spooky stuff

21:04

and visits lots of the local women

21:06

who entertaining with spooky 87, and

21:09

he also often reads history of

21:11

New England witchcraft, which is a book, and

21:13

raised 87 before walking home from work through

21:15

the dark and spooky streets and

21:17

forests. And because he's just read

21:19

the book, he's 87 constantly on head

21:21

87 walking.

21:22

Yeah. He's made a mistake. Yeah. Just

21:25

save it till you get back. Yeah. Read

21:27

it in the daytime. 87

21:30

protect himself, there's what else he loudly sings

21:32

songs or Psalms to ward

21:34

off spirits.

21:35

Okay? Loudly. But I

21:37

mean, could that attract spirits

21:39

as well? You're really alerting the spirits

21:41

to where you are. Oh,

21:42

someone's over there. 87 me go, haunt him.

21:44

Yeah. A 87 afraid of

21:46

loud noises. Sorry. You

21:48

freak me out there. Oh my gosh.

21:51

I'm gonna stay over here in my hall. And

21:53

this is what the book says, So

21:56

he's spooked by a lot of things, but this

21:58

is this is what really gets him.

22:00

All these, however, when me 87 of

22:03

the night, phantoms of the mind that

22:05

walk in darkness. And though he had seen

22:07

many specters in his time, and

22:10

once been beset by Satan in diverse

22:12

shapes. In his lonely parambulations,

22:15

yet daylight put an end to all these

22:17

evils and he would have passed a pleasant life

22:20

of it in despite of the devil and all

22:22

his works. If his path had

22:24

not been crossed by a being, that

22:26

causes more perplexity to mortal

22:28

man than ghosts, goblins, and

22:30

the whole race of witches put together, and

22:33

that was a woman.

22:38

My god.

22:42

Again, that is a single sentence.

22:44

Yes. Okay. But had to put it all in

22:46

over three pages. I love that laid up to it. So

22:48

these are all the scary 87. But honestly, that's

22:50

nothing you can compare to this

22:53

woman that he

22:53

met. That's

22:54

so far. It sounds like a nineteen 87 stand

22:56

up routine. Yeah. It's

22:58

not even the eighteen eighties. It goes

23:00

early. So the woman, the

23:02

87 talking about there is Katrina Van

23:05

87. Incredible names

23:07

87 art. It's probably the best

23:09

names I've ever come across in one short story.

23:11

One of Icabod's eighteen year old singing students

23:14

at Suca Trainer is. Is renowned

23:16

for her beauty and also comes from a

23:18

very, very well-to-do family. Her

23:20

father is a rich farmer and when Icabod goes

23:23

over to their

23:23

house. He sees how wealthy they are. It's tough to

23:25

think, you know what? I can

23:27

really get used

23:28

to this. Right. Think I love this

23:30

woman. I could sing loudly in this place.

23:33

I love this woman and all the stuff she has. Thank

23:35

you. The problem is a lot of

23:37

other men in the area have had the exact same

23:39

idea, and Katrina finds herself

23:42

with many potential suitors competing

23:44

for her hand. Ikebod's

23:47

greatest rival in love is

23:49

the town's local bad

23:51

boy. Wait for it. His

23:54

name is? Brom bones.

23:57

Oh, yeah. Brom bones. Brom

23:59

bones. Is a local arkin often doing

24:01

pranks on people?

24:02

It's a great trombone player. Trombone.

24:05

87 is on the trombone. We've

24:09

got Tinch Morn on the French

24:11

horn? Tinch

24:14

Morn. That's a great name.

24:16

You've got a scale. I mean, is 87

24:18

any more ridiculous and brown

24:20

bone.

24:20

Oh, that's 87 I'm saying. Fantastic. Dental

24:24

Dental more. Tony

24:29

87. Anyway, he's loved it in this town

24:31

where there is a headless horseman ghost.

24:33

The Bad Boy is a guy called

24:36

Brombone. Thrombone? 87 a

24:39

he's an even bader boy than

24:41

a headless horseman.

24:45

So 87 he's also a big, huge,

24:47

strong man. For a big,

24:50

for a strong don't want to pranks.

24:52

Okay. And 87 the picture here for a brumba. Frank's

24:54

87.

24:55

He's also nice and popular. And

24:57

because it's publicly known that he has a big thing

24:59

for Katrina, most of the other suitors

25:02

have now backed away. Right.

25:04

Not wanting to cross brombones. But

25:08

not our man, Ikebod, Had

25:10

he called Dibs or

25:11

what? He's basically called Dibs. So 87 up?

25:14

And that was still acceptable socially in

25:16

the 87 hundreds. Yep. Everyone's

25:19

like, oh, maybe they're just thinking,

25:21

I can't compete with Bronte's. He's

25:23

cooler than me. He's bigger and stronger

25:25

than me. He's Chomba and bed of the night. Oh my gosh.

25:28

When I play it, it just sounds

25:29

like, Waugh, Waugh, Waugh,

25:31

terrible.

25:34

So everyone's dropping out of the race

25:36

87 Ikebaud. He

25:38

is well and truly still in, but becomes

25:40

more subtle with his attempts to work a trainer

25:43

dropping by as a singing teacher rather

25:45

than directly asking her out. And he doesn't wanna

25:48

directly compete with Brown Burns, but he's like,

25:50

well, I'm here for another private lesson. Let's

25:53

chat. Katrina

25:57

seems keen on both men giving them equal

25:59

87, which fuels their rivalry to new heights.

26:02

She's described as being a bit flirtatious. Let's

26:05

see, especially with what she wears. This is

26:07

what it says. A provokingly short

26:09

pettie coat to display the

26:11

prettiest foot and ankle in the country

26:14

around. That is short.

26:16

She's really 87 so on some 87.

26:18

Putting the foot on display.

26:20

Like, yeah, I cannot believe she's wearing a petticoat

26:22

that doesn't cover her foot. 87. It's it's

26:24

scandalous 87 be honest. So

26:27

the two rivals are driven wild by

26:29

her ankles. Icabot knows

26:31

that Brownbones is keen to have a physical

26:33

fight, a jewel to settle it, But he

26:35

also knows he has absolutely no chance of winning, so he

26:37

completely avoids that. So 87, Bahram

26:40

and his brothers, the Bahrambo brothers.

26:43

Launch a series of pranks against Ikebald,

26:45

including sealing his chimney

26:47

at the top to smoke out his singing

26:50

lessons, his 87, So

26:53

funny to weaponize pranks like that.

26:55

And they also think of pranks, I think

26:57

of, you know, just creating a bit of

26:58

trouble, bit of mischief, bit of fun, but he's like,

27:01

I'm gonna ruin your life with this prank.

27:03

The other prank he does is Rand Saki's

27:05

classroom to make it look like witches have

27:07

visited. Okay.

27:09

I mean, I think

27:10

You're right on the edge of not being able to call

27:12

these blanks. Also,

27:15

at any opportunity, Braun puts down

27:17

Ikebald in front of Katrina. 87

27:20

to beg himself up. One day,

27:23

Icabod is invited over to Katrina's

27:25

home for a dance that her family are

27:27

holding. 87 go, he puts on his

27:29

best clothes and borrows are very old, and to be honest,

27:31

a very sad horse called

27:33

gunpowder. When he gets

27:36

to the dance, of course, brown bones

27:38

is there too. Having 87 over

27:40

on a 87 called

27:42

daredevil, 87 no one else in the

27:44

town would even dream of attempting to ride.

27:46

Uh-huh.

27:47

It's a it's a wild pony.

27:49

Right. But he's tamed it.

27:51

A bucking bronco. 87 he's a great horse

27:53

rider. Right. So he's tamed

27:55

the beast. And there's great

27:57

food at the party. This sentence really got my attention.

27:59

And then there were apple pies and

28:01

peach pies and pumpkin

28:03

pies. That's the word pies

28:06

three times in one sentence. You love

28:07

parts. We'll give

28:08

this an extra star at the end just for that.

28:10

Can I have a guess as to what where this

28:12

is going? I

28:13

wanna hear it.

28:14

So this guy, Bronbone. Bronbone

28:16

is a fantastic horserider --

28:19

Yep. -- and 87. He loves

28:21

it. And at night, there's

28:24

a famous headless horse,

28:26

moon. Mhmm. So a good

28:28

horse 87, but maybe just a town

28:31

prank. You know what I mean? Okay.

28:33

So III don't know anything about this. So don't

28:36

know if it is a Scooby Doo kind of thing where at the

28:38

end they pull off the, you know, like, this bulky

28:41

thing over where the head would be. Making

28:43

a fake headless person.

28:44

Pompanoes. Pompanoes underneath. Woulda got away

28:47

with it

28:47

too? Yeah. Exactly. But that's

28:50

my early guess, but I don't know if this is a

28:52

I always assumed that it was a genuine headless

28:54

horse.

28:56

Well, I'm gonna find out.

29:00

Because they're both 87 this party, death staring

29:02

each other across the room. But

29:05

Ikebaud gets the upper hand of the dance

29:07

floor as he's got some great

29:08

moves.

29:09

Oh, okay. Cloud voice, great

29:11

moves. That's what you're gonna know about. Also tall and,

29:13

like, there are four things you gotta know about IKEBORD.

29:15

Powerful combination. Mhmm. And

29:17

87, She's loving 87. She's

29:20

dancing with him. Bronte is just watching off.

29:22

Watch it on 87 off. Later

29:25

on at the 87, The party winds

29:27

down a bit, and some of the older men

29:29

start telling old war stories that are clearly

29:31

exaggerated. Then the topic

29:34

course, because everyone believes he has swaps 87 ghost

29:36

stories. And of course, let's start talking

29:38

about the mysterious, headless

29:41

horsemen. Can you believe it?

29:44

Brom Bone shares the story of being haunted

29:46

himself by the headless horsemen.

29:49

And was Bahram Broom scared?

29:52

Was Braunburns. I think the name was

29:54

so I've said it so many times it's lost all me. Yeah.

29:57

I've never had any to begin with. And

29:59

was Braun Bone scared.

30:01

Of course

30:02

87. He's a

30:03

bad boy. And he's also lying

30:06

because he is the headless sausage. Well, I don't

30:08

I've got I'm taking him at face value. 87 is what he

30:10

says happening. He offered

30:12

to race the headless horsemen for

30:15

a bowl of punch. What? 87

30:19

he says, I should have won it too

30:21

because for the

30:24

daredevil, which is his horse, beat

30:26

the goblin horse, all hollow, but

30:28

just as they came to the church bridge,

30:30

the Hessian man vaulted and

30:33

vanished in a flash of fire,

30:35

which is not fair of Eunorise.

30:37

Yeah. You gotta say it through. Exactly.

30:39

So, no, it wasn't a racing anyway 87

30:42

before your ventilators.

30:43

87 was a practice road. Yeah. Nope.

30:46

Yeah. That's dodgy. Okay. I'm not liking

30:48

this. There's enough

30:49

air

30:50

sportsmanship from the headless horseman. Exactly.

30:52

Just when

30:52

you thought you could trust Hiddlers horseman

30:54

owes, brown bones, a bowl of punch.

30:56

Yeah. That's all we know. So

30:59

87 bad. They come to this agreement.

31:01

Because we already know 87 they have the sauce wing

31:03

doesn't have a a mouth. Yeah. But they

31:06

they just went side of

31:07

time. I 87 feeling it. started scissoring.

31:11

In a conversational context, please.

31:13

Pants on. 87 on. Well,

31:15

they try pants on. They couldn't feel anything. Yeah.

31:17

They're both wearing their sort of leather riding

31:19

pants. Okay. They're wearing jompers or alcohol.

31:21

Alright. Take them off. This is conversational

31:24

scissors. Yeah. Okay? Okay. 87?

31:26

You feel

31:27

that? 87. One

31:29

ball of 87. Great.

31:31

87. Okay. And nice shook on it. This

31:33

shook on it. With this ass. So

31:39

he's told this story. And then it's Ikebod's

31:41

term. We don't hear apparently, he

31:43

also told some of his own spooky

31:45

87. Of it. He's

31:47

like, you know what? I've come across some spooky

31:49

stuff in these 87. And what I do is I loudly

31:51

sing sounds

31:53

87 cool. Yeah. One of them was a woman.

31:56

87 woman, that woman. The most terrifying

31:58

thing here is that woman. So

32:01

the party winds down 87 Icabard

32:04

stays behind to talk to Katrina, the

32:06

woman he's got a crush on. But

32:08

the narrator 87 that he soon suddenly

32:10

left her house, looking unhappy,

32:13

and it speculated upon that perhaps he

32:15

was crestfallen, having discovered

32:18

that she's just not that into him.

32:20

And maybe This is

32:22

all speculation. She was using Ikebald

32:24

to play him off against his rival, Braun

32:26

Bones. But again, that speculation,

32:29

it's 87 to know how much the narrator

32:31

knows of the

32:31

story, but they do not know that one 87

32:33

bit. Yeah. Right. That is the very They know 87 all, but

32:35

that bit. Saw them a little back. So,

32:37

yeah, it doesn't seem like she really needs to

32:39

play them off against each other if she's only interested

32:42

in one of them. Yeah. Hey, that 87 in love with me.

32:44

87 really make sure -- Yeah. -- play them off against the other

32:46

guy's awesome

32:47

language. I think it's the best way to kick off a relationship.

32:52

But playing hard to get So

32:54

that's that's speculation about all we do know is

32:56

he's left the party pretty quickly.

32:58

He's looking sad. Icky.icky.icky sad.

33:03

Ekie Crane 87 his old horse home

33:05

and thinking on all the spooky

33:08

stories he's just heard because I've just gone around the

33:10

campfire basically swapped his spooky stories. He

33:12

starts get a little uneasy, especially

33:15

when he gets close to the church where

33:17

the headless horsemen is said

33:19

to be in residence. He's

33:23

relieved when he passes

33:25

a giant and

33:27

spooky looking tree named major

33:30

Andres tree -- Great,

33:32

man. -- so 87 a bit of a

33:34

a backstory in the town. But but so when I imagine

33:36

this story, I imagined a big sort

33:38

of tree with long arms

33:41

branching out sort of twisted and

33:43

and I'm not sure if that's because like I 87 on

33:45

Scooby Doo episode or something. That's part of

33:47

the imagery that came to mines, but it is in there.

33:50

But he rides past it and he's

33:52

like, oh, thank goodness.

33:53

So that that tree does have arms and arms

33:55

and sort of rich is that for you? Well, no. It

33:57

just describes it as each, like,

33:59

limb of the tree is like a tree itself.

34:02

That's how I think it is and they're twisted and

34:04

I'm literally moving. No. But it just looks

34:06

scary, you 87. And I just

34:08

had I went, oh, I 87 about that before.

34:10

I didn't know why. I thought about with this story.

34:13

But anyway, major Andes 87, passes

34:16

it. But as Iike approaches a bridge

34:18

that crosses the river, His horse

34:20

suddenly stops and

34:22

he sees a giant figure.

34:27

The hair rises on the top

34:29

of his head. Whoa. He's scared. He's

34:31

like, there's someone over

34:32

there. I don't know what it is. What is it? I've

34:34

heard of the hair on the back of your neck. Raising,

34:37

but never on the top of the head. Feel much

34:39

heavier. Yeah. Full moral. 87

34:41

on her.

34:44

Like, you're on one of those electric machines. He

34:46

had like necklong hair. This

34:50

is what it says. He looked like the singer from

34:52

87.

34:56

A little what it says, hair on the television,

34:58

what was to be done? To turn and

35:00

fly was now too late, and besides,

35:03

87 chance was there of escaping 87

35:05

or Goblin if such it was,

35:07

which could ride upon the wings of the wind,

35:10

summoning up, therefore, a show of courage,

35:12

he demanded in 87 accents,

35:15

who are you? 87

35:20

I mean, what answer do you wanna hear? What do you wanna

35:22

know? What what would make you happy? Yeah.

35:26

No one. No. It's scary

35:29

for sure. The

35:33

figure? Doesn't respond. So

35:36

Ikebald, he's like, alright, rude,

35:38

tries to continue on. He's

35:40

like, he starts trying to sing a song.

35:43

87 his big defense move. The figure

35:45

then moves and he realizes

35:48

87 not just any figure. It's a giant

35:50

horseman on a very big

35:52

horse.

35:52

Oh, big horse as well. Yeah. Big.

35:56

87 takes off on gunpowder, but

35:59

the horseman silently keeps

36:01

pace with him. I imagine I

36:03

imagine the horse is still making moves. He's making

36:05

noise, but he's just not saying anything. Yeah.

36:07

So Iqibod tries to slow down and do that thing

36:10

where he goes behind him. Yeah. Yeah. The

36:12

horse and just slows down as well.

36:14

Try a handbrake turn.

36:16

Indicate right and then turn left.

36:19

87 only at this point as 87 realizes that

36:22

the horseman is headless.

36:24

Whoa. He didn't notice that

36:25

before. And the head

36:28

is resting on the saddle in front of

36:30

him. Oh,

36:30

he got his head.

36:31

Got his head. He's 87 he's

36:33

finally found it.

36:34

Galping along with the head sitting in front of

36:36

him. This

36:36

is great news for our main

36:37

news. He doesn't have to go Thartothart anymore.

36:39

Is that his unfinished business? I

36:41

guess. Maybe he'll cross over to the other side.

36:44

See you later, guys. Even

36:46

gunpowder the horse is freaked out by this.

36:49

Wow. And takes

36:50

off? That's

36:51

what he was trying that thank you I don't know.

36:54

Yes, please. I 87 to go as fast as possible and he they

36:56

gain a bit of ground because gunpowder goes

36:58

so quick.

36:59

But they're going so fast that Icabod's saddle

37:02

falls off.

37:04

87 not good. And is

37:04

trampled by the headless horsemen as it falls

37:06

under his who's behind. Without

37:09

a saddle, Icobald has to hang on for

37:11

DLA. Held

37:11

on Sound settle?

37:13

Yeah. He he I think it says he grips the neck.

37:16

Just

37:16

grabs sort of bare hugs. Stomach

37:18

thinking. And as he's

37:20

holding on, he sees the bridge near the church

37:22

approaching, the spot where he's heard,

37:24

the headless horseman

37:25

disappears, and he thinks if I can make

37:27

it there, I can make it anywhere. He

37:33

says, like, if I can make it there, that's balmy,

37:36

that's safe, The headless horsemen can't cross

37:38

this path. I

37:38

thought you ran into the island of Bali for a

37:40

second, but Indonesia -- That's paradise.

37:43

-- that is a plunge pool.

37:48

He's like, if I get there, I'll get out of

37:50

it. But just as he thinks

37:52

this, the headless horseman

37:54

stands up on his horse and

37:57

throws his head -- What? at

37:59

Ikebald, no. Which hits

38:01

him in his own head and throws

38:03

ichy from his

38:04

horse. He's been searching for his head for so long

38:06

and I was just throwing

38:07

it away at a random part of the ball. Using it

38:09

as a weapon. Come on.

38:11

You've You've been missing this for

38:13

decades.

38:14

Yeah. I don't 87 know where it belongs.

38:16

This

38:16

horse doesn't this horse, this head You have

38:19

a neck.

38:20

Yeah. That's in a separate spot. 87 the neck

38:22

or no? No. That's the problem. You can't put the head back

38:24

until he finds the neck.

38:26

Right. Or unless he takes that rugby.

38:29

Scent's neck. Horsey, that was

38:32

shot off by a smaller cannonball. So

38:36

he's he's fallen off the horse. That's all

38:38

we know. 87 to the

38:40

next morning.

38:41

The next morning. That's

38:44

where do you go

38:44

on, honey, for his neck. The neck is in mourning.

38:48

The next morning gunpowder of the horse

38:50

has appeared back back at Katrina's

38:53

farm innocently aiding nothing's

38:55

happened. This all doesn't get ish or Is that

38:57

isn't pass on anything? Come on. Get

38:59

your thighs ready. Come on.

39:02

Pass on that your owner is missing. All

39:05

I can say is he's with no saddle and

39:07

there's no sign of Eicapod. When

39:09

Eicapod doesn't appear at work or anywhere by

39:11

dinner the next day, Katrina's

39:13

father gets worried and sends out

39:15

a search party and all they find

39:18

is a trampled saddle and

39:20

Icabod's hat and

39:22

a

39:24

a smashed pumpkin next

39:26

to a river like

39:28

a pumpkin head? A

39:30

pumpkin sized head. Oh my god. Or

39:32

a head sized pumpkin. 87

39:35

no sign of the man himself. And

39:38

87 what the book says. The 87 folk,

39:40

quote, shook their heads and came to the conclusion

39:42

that Ikebaud had been carried off by

39:45

the galloping

39:46

hessian. And that's how

39:47

that day so they thought, well, the ghostly

39:50

headless horse on second off, and their reaction

39:52

was they shook their head you

39:54

know,

39:54

it took this.

39:55

Classic hiccup. Always getting himself

39:57

in a scrape. They're really not the word. They say as he

39:59

was a bachelor and in nobody's debt,

40:01

Nobody troubled his head anymore about

40:03

him. The school was removed

40:06

to a different quarter of the hollow. So 87 just

40:08

like, let's move the

40:09

school. Who cares about that guy? Yeah.

40:11

Whatever. Okay. He didn't owe anyone money.

40:13

Why don't they move if they can move the the school,

40:15

why don't they move everything else away from that church?

40:19

They definitely should. But but I think for them, they're

40:21

like, it only got the school 87. Who

40:23

cares? So they all moved on and

40:25

something, 87 simply moved out of town after

40:27

being rejected by 87. Others

40:30

think he may have been taken by the headless

40:32

horsemen like that story says. But

40:35

what's their theory on the pumpkin? Well,

40:39

no one seems to really have a theory about the pumpkin,

40:41

but it is mentioned. And when it is mentioned something

40:43

happens, so 87, the one that

40:45

issues in love with soon, marries, prompts

40:48

bones, and bones

40:50

himself, quote, was observed

40:53

to look exceedingly knowing whenever

40:55

the story of Ikebod was

40:57

related. Oh,

40:58

I really hope I didn't guess the actual pending.

41:00

He always and always 87 into

41:02

a hearty laugh at the mention of the

41:04

harkken, which led some

41:06

to suspect that he knew more about the matter

41:08

then he choose to tell. So

41:11

that that's totally implying that brown bones was

41:14

responsible through a pumpkin, not a head.

41:16

87 to throw him off the hook. Here's another theory.

41:19

He Brompano ends up

41:21

seeing the headless horsemen again and

41:23

says, oh, boy, you owe me a a bowl

41:25

of punch. And the headless horse, they

41:28

they said she's been communicating with each other.

41:30

Yeah.

41:30

Yeah. And the headless horseman says,

41:32

I 87 get hold of a bowel punch I've

41:34

87, is there anything else I could do?

41:37

And then Brombone's goes, can you

41:39

take out my romantic competitor,

41:42

this guy called Iki board, and then that's

41:45

and that's how it happened. Right. I'll pay

41:46

you. So that's why he's laughing, knowingly, because

41:49

he he funded it.

41:50

Yeah. I worked it out. Yeah.

41:51

He 87 it in a bit.

41:52

I didn't do it. No. Yeah.

41:55

I was part of it. Sure. And

41:56

that's why I think it's funny. Jack, I'm an accessory

41:58

to killing this man, but I didn't do it.

42:01

No. And the headless 87 definitely

42:03

exists. Yes. Yeah. I said 87 in myself.

42:05

Yeah. So

42:08

I think it's implying

42:10

that maybe the pumpkin was the head and why would

42:12

they imply if there wasn't a

42:14

twist to come surely.

42:16

Well, I guess the twist is that no one

42:18

knows what happened to him after that. Did Oh,

42:21

let's

42:21

see. We don't know it. We don't find out.

42:23

No. Did brown bones then kill

42:25

Iqibod or did Iqibod so

42:27

scared just run away from town after being knocked

42:29

off of his horse?

42:30

Because his body or no sign of him

42:32

was ever found. Wow. I

42:34

assumed that this was still building to

42:36

a like a neatly

42:38

tied up

42:39

conclusion. No.

42:39

It's a mystery episode because the final line, we're already

42:42

there. This is

42:42

Well, it's actually quite short. The final line is the

42:44

schoolhouse, being deserted, soon

42:47

fell to decay, and was reported

42:49

to be haunted by the ghost of the unfortunate

42:51

87. That's the teacher. And

42:53

the cowboy Bring back pedagogue

42:56

87 a teacher. And what about bring back cowboy? Yeah.

42:58

Okay. And the cowboy, ordering homeward,

43:01

of a still summer evening has often fancied

43:03

his voice at a distance 87 a

43:05

melancholy sound tune among

43:08

the tranquil solitudes of sleepy

43:10

hollow. Wow. So he becomes

43:12

his own sort of mystery, like his own

43:14

sort of local horse.

43:17

Oh, 87 Which I

43:19

guess is a great tribute because he believed in all

43:21

that sort of stuff.

43:22

Yeah. But

43:22

he was probably just hit by a pumpkin and

43:25

I don't know.

43:25

Taken off another bushes?

43:27

Yeah. What did brown bones do to him? Hey.

43:30

If that if that head was

43:32

a pumpkin, he's

43:34

looked back and he said, oh, 87 he's

43:36

carrying a a

43:37

head. 87 his head, but it was

43:39

a pumpkin.

43:40

Pumpkin. Yes. I don't know how he's made it look

43:42

like a pumpkin, whether he's put a face in

43:44

it. Okay.

43:45

And it's 87 87 to

43:47

know how to say this story was written before

43:50

Jack o lanterns --

43:51

Uh-huh. -- or associated with Halloween, which

43:53

wasn't until the mid nineteenth

43:55

century, I believe, and this is the early. But because

43:57

this story is spooky and involves a

43:59

pumpkin. It's now closely associated

44:02

with Halloween and Jack O'Lendons. And

44:05

adaptations of the Legend of Sleepy

44:07

Hollow often show the head Horseman,

44:09

whether Pumpkin or 87

44:11

in place of his severed head. Right.

44:14

So, like, in my mind, that was the image I saw

44:16

that the headless horseman riding with

44:18

Jacklyn. Which I think is, again,

44:20

Scooby Doo. Yes. Right. So because

44:22

it feels like this story is suggesting

44:25

that it was just the prankster. Yeah.

44:27

I built it up I I'm

44:29

sorry that I guessed the right answer 87.

44:32

But but since then all the 87 stuff

44:35

I imagine, I haven't seen any of

44:36

them, but I imagine they for the most part, they

44:38

make it out to be a genuine. To be actually

44:40

spooky. Well, I guess, like, the Scooby Doo one

44:42

probably 87. They'll probably solve it and say, well, actually

44:44

-- Yeah. Does this, like, old man?

44:47

87

44:47

probably the the 87 one,

44:50

I imagine, 87 probably Yeah.

44:51

I I'm I'm must 87 been I haven't seen it. I wonder

44:53

how they get the full movie out they must add a few

44:55

more

44:55

things. Mhmm. Yeah.

44:57

And make it probably make it actually spooky.

44:59

Because 87 it was going through the list of

45:02

adaptations and references

45:04

in other media, and 87 long. Yeah.

45:06

87. A lot of stuff. So yeah.

45:09

Don't know. That must be frustrating for the big fans

45:11

of sleepy holler to be

45:12

like, no. Obviously, that's

45:13

not what's happened. It was just a prank

45:16

by Braun Bones. And that's

45:18

how it's always shown. Who's

45:20

Johnny Depp? Is it Eby Ecki

45:22

board, I'm guessing?

45:23

Let's look it up. But

45:26

there's been heaps that was I saw there was one

45:28

with Kailey Cucoh from 87

45:33

sitcom, and there was there

45:35

was one with John Ed

45:37

Begley Junior, and there

45:39

was one with what's

45:43

his name? Jurassic Park guy? Sam

45:47

Neil. No. I know Sam

45:49

Neil's

45:49

name. Jeff Goldblum. Jeff Goldblum.

45:52

So they there's been heaps of Quite a few yes. I'll just

45:54

look at the Johnny Depp one. He was playing Ikebod

45:57

crane, and it's described

45:59

a quirky yet sympathetic 87,

46:02

infatuated with integrating modern science

46:04

into police procedures, but is

46:06

very squeamish at the side of blood and

46:08

bugs. See, they've taken it for a war.

46:10

Yeah.

46:13

Yeah. Interesting. Christina,

46:17

Chi, Michael Gambon.

46:20

Alright. And it did very well at

46:22

the box office, and maybe we'll check it out. Nineteen

46:24

ninety nine, it came out. Yeah. For any listeners,

46:27

have a favorite adaptation, any big

46:29

fans, ones that we should

46:30

watch. Love to hear. I

46:31

wonder any of them the favorite adaptation is

46:33

ghostbusters. Oh, yeah. 87

46:36

my good fit. If 87, yeah,

46:38

it will be. I

46:39

mean, it and it's it's free to watch on YouTube

46:42

so anyone can get right on it. Yeah.

46:44

Great. So how about everyone? Watch 87? Go

46:46

over to 87. The feed on your

46:48

podcast

46:49

app, and we'll talk about that. The

46:51

only thing left 87 it really is to give it a

46:53

score out of five. Did it tantalize? I

46:55

really liked it. I think it's a it's a great

46:57

short story. Yep. Yeah.

46:59

It's just a beautiful little evidence.

47:02

So I mean, even though it is a mystery, kind of

47:04

isn't. I like how they've left 87 a little

47:06

bit open, but they've at all. They bring everything

47:08

back 87. And you were definitely obviously

47:10

giving they probably didn't make such a

47:12

big deal of the pranks and the

47:13

87. But because you're giving the 87,

47:16

you sort of can put it together a bit

47:17

as well. 87 The fact that he was a princess

47:19

of

47:20

you. Yeah. Yeah. And his horse

47:22

was this big horse.

47:23

Yep.

47:24

And then, you know but

47:26

no. I thought I thought I was grad. I'd give 87, like, four and

47:28

a half styles. Four and a half styles. That's fantastic.

47:31

At a five? At a follow-up. Just to double check,

47:33

we're on the same scale here. I

47:35

enjoyed it and it said the word pies

47:38

multiple times. That wasn't even the the amount of time

47:40

that said password was just the one time that said, three times of the

47:42

sentence. So I'm also gonna give it a four out of five.

47:44

Great work to Washington Irving,

47:46

AKA, 87 Crayon, AKA.

47:50

Nick and Parker.

47:52

Alright, guys. Can't believe how much he's done,

47:54

how much he's responsible for.

47:56

Yeah. It's awesome, isn't it?

47:57

Yeah. Very cool. 87.

47:59

Well, thanks so much for joining me. You can absolutely

48:02

check us out on the 87 feed, but

48:04

also your fairly niche

48:05

show. Already listed classic in my mind.

48:07

The who knew it was Matt Stewart Podcasts

48:10

is out now? That's right. And you're on the upcoming episode.

48:12

This Monday, 87 be coming out with you

48:14

and Joshua as 87 and It

48:16

was a very fun time. It was a lot of fun.

48:19

Last week it was with Jess Perkins and David

48:21

Quirk. Oh, sorry, this week's one

48:23

was and that was also great fun. They're all

48:25

great fun, to be honest. I'm also doing my

48:28

I'm doing that show live in Melbourne and Brisbane.

48:30

Over the next couple months for people who can see it

48:32

live. And we're both doing

48:34

shows the comedy

48:35

87, Dave. Yes. Melbourne comedy festival is

48:37

fast approach I'm doing the first two

48:40

weeks from the end of

48:41

March. My first show, it's

48:43

a it

48:44

starts early because the comedy festival starts officially

48:46

on a Wednesday, but I've gone early. Yeah. I'm getting

48:48

ahead of the rush. You can come see me on

48:50

Monday, March twenty seven, and from there

48:52

every day for two weeks at six thirty five

48:54

PM at Campari House on Hardware

48:56

Lane, 87 little venue

48:59

and yeah 87 called even hotter in

49:01

real life I would love and I

49:03

87 emphasize this

49:04

enough. Love to see that. Yeah. And

49:06

I I haven't seen it a few times now. In

49:08

Adelaide, I would say 87 is a I'm

49:10

giving it a hard

49:11

recommendation. Thank you so much. I've got a scale

49:13

of 87 recs. All the way

49:15

up 87 heart.

49:16

Right now. This is a this is a full heart

49:18

red. Full heart. Yeah. This is a scrubbing recommendation.

49:22

And my show ding is I'm doing the full

49:25

run at the Chinese Museum

49:27

at six thirty. So you can catch

49:29

first five minutes of my show before go over to

49:31

Dave's. Probably have to say one

49:33

different thoughts, unfortunately. But I'm really

49:35

pumped. I love the comedy festivals, probably my

49:38

favorite time of the year in Melbourne. The

49:40

city comes alive with the sound of laughter.

49:46

So yeah. I think do yourself a favor

49:48

if you've got any chance to get there. Yeah.

49:50

So many good things to see. We're also doing the doo go on

49:52

quiz show on Monday 87, which is gonna be

49:54

lot of fun. It's

49:55

so much fun. It was so great last year. Loved

49:57

it. Loved it. So yeah, thanks so much.

49:59

You can get tickets at comedy festival dot com

50:02

dot au. And if you're

50:04

overseas, you can't make it well,

50:06

thanks for listening anyway. We love you. We

50:08

love

50:08

you.

50:09

Hey, we love you. We love you.

50:11

And there's anything one thing left to say

50:13

and that is Please listening. As always

50:16

I say here, books forever.