Michelle and guest host, Matthew J. Distefano, explore The Wisdom of Insecurity: A Message for an Age of Anxiety by Alan Watts. Their conversation covers spiritual effort, deconstruction, and more.

From the back cover: "Spending all our time trying to anticipate and plan for the future and to lamenting the past, we forget to embrace the here and now. We are so concerned with tomorrow that we forget to enjoy today. Drawing from Eastern philosophy and religion, Alan Watts shows that it is only by acknowledging what we do not—and cannot—know that we can learn anything truly worth knowing."

About Matthew: "Matthew J. Distefano is the author of multiple best-selling books, co-host of two podcasts, a long-time social worker, and hip-hop artist. He lives in Northern California with his wife and daughter."