0:00

Today on the podcast, we are going back

0:00

into the archives a couple of years

0:05

to a conversation we had with the Manders

0:05

family of Koekje Jar Stables in Ohio.

0:09

Let's get started. This is the Brabant Bulletin

0:11

brought to you by the European Brabant

0:15

Registry of America, where people, passion

0:18

and preservation are our mission.

0:22

Hello, everybody. I'm Stacy Pearsall, one of the contributing editors

0:24

to the Brabant Bulletin.

0:27

And I am bringing you the member's

0:27

highlight

0:31

and I am sitting with the Manders family.

0:34

Hi, y'all. How are you doing? We're good. How are you? Good.

0:38

All right, well, let's get to know you. Let's start with Emma.

0:42

Emma, tell us a little bit about. About who you are.

0:45

I'm nine years old and I ride horses.

0:51

What else do you do with horses? Do you have breeding horses?

0:54

Yes, you do. And where did you learn about horses?

0:59

The stables where I ride.

1:02

How many years have you been riding? Seven think.

1:06

Seven years? Well, for a nine year old,

1:07

that's pretty much your whole life.

1:13

Okay, Emma, please introduce your parents.

1:16

This is Jen Manders.

1:21

And that's [weirdo] Hein. Hello. Hi.

1:25

Whoa.

1:27

So we have. Hein, Jen and Emma and tell me

1:28

a little bit about your horse farm.

1:34

So we are Koekje Jar Stables. We are located in northwest Ohio.

1:39

Helena, Ohio. This was not our

1:39

our big plan.

1:43

This wasn't in the plans at all

1:43

to start a Brabant horse farm.

1:47

But that's where the plans have led us.

1:50

We were on vacation visiting Oma and Opa,

1:50

and we the three of us, actually

1:56

went on a bike ride and we came back

1:56

and Verda, which is our horse is Mom

2:04

Cookie’s mom went into labor,

2:07

so Emma decided

2:07

she was going to help the vet.

2:10

And at this time she was four,

2:10

four years old.

2:14

And then, of course,

2:14

you know, Opa let her name it.

2:17

So she named it Princess Emma. And it kind of stuck.

2:21

And Opa called one day and said,

2:21

Are you ready for Emma?

2:24

We're like, We have one. We don't need another one.

2:25

He's like, Nope, she's on her way.

2:28

So that was the beginning of everything.

2:31

So and I would tell you a little bit

2:31

about the history of the family.

2:34

Yeah, I would love to little know

2:34

a little bit more about that.

2:38

My dad breeds European Brabants,

2:42

probably 50 years already.

2:45

52 years. Your grandfather didn’t he?

2:48

And my grandpa did too. We are the fifth generation

2:54

together with my Brabant’s

2:56

stable name is de Vinkenpeel.

3:02

And together

3:02

with my uncle who lives next door.

3:07

That's just the stable name Wooldink

3:07

That's all how it started.

3:12

And this is in the Netherlands. That's all in the Netherlands.

3:19

My dad always enjoyed breeding horses

3:20

and that's why it breeds

3:24

always better than good, good horses.

3:27

Not not always the best,

3:27

but always, really, always.

3:32

First in the class or second in the class,

3:32

but never won

3:37

any major

3:40

titles, won one major,

3:42

but my uncle did a little bit better.

3:46

But those two stable names,

3:50

pretty much all how it started

3:50

came from the same family.

3:55

Is there a particular bloodline

3:55

that your family concentrates

3:57

on or rotating

3:57

through different bloodlines,

4:01

the de Vinkenpeel or

4:03

but Cookie is still the original bloodline

4:03

from 50 years ago.

4:09

Well, and we've actually tracked

4:09

that back in some books,

4:14

you know, where we can go through old

4:14

registration papers

4:16

and we've tracked it back

4:16

all the way back, which is kind of cool.

4:20

And so your family name is

4:20

all the way back the 50 years.

4:23

Yeah, in the studbooks too?

4:23

That's pretty cool. Yeah.

4:26

Is there a certain type

4:26

or style of Brabant

4:29

that you like particularly

4:29

or that you're breeding for?

4:37

in the Netherlands? Well, bigger the better.

4:40

But I think over here we have to

4:44

don't go always bigger because we go

4:49

otherwise you go to the the American American Belgian

4:51

not Belgium but Belgian.

4:55

I think we're breeding... that’s too tall. Yeah, we're breeding more

4:57

of the old style, the short and stocky

5:00

as to where some of the farms

5:00

when we went and visited this last time

5:05

you know their mares and some of their studs are,

5:05

you know, they're 16, 17 hands.

5:09

And to me it looks like an American.

5:12

Belgian. you know, is just missing the hair color

5:13

and I kind of like the the,

5:18

the big and husky

5:21

if you're pushing 18 hands, that's that's in my opinion too tall.

5:26

Yeah. That's too big of a horse. Venna is going to be around that.

5:30

So I saw I saw some pictures

5:30

on your Facebook

5:34

of you showing Emma Brabants

5:34

How was that for you?

5:39

Good. Do you remember

5:41

do you remember showing Cookie?

5:44

A little bit, Yeah, you did, Tatum.

5:49

You did harvest in hand. Yeah.

5:52

And she was she was the only one there

5:52

because she was the only draft horse, but

5:56

she did really good. And then she actually we have a fore cart

6:01

and her and Cookie

6:01

have done some for carting

6:04

and we haven't done it in a while because you know, we have been breeding

6:06

and that kind of stuff. And I always feel bad. I'm like,

6:07

don't make her pull me around.

6:10

She's pregnant. I know what that feels like. So. And time.

6:16

Yeah, and time has been constraints,

6:19

but Emma and Hein both can drive

6:19

and Cookie.

6:24

Cookie loves it. Cookie has the personality of Eeyore

6:28

I mean, she's just like, okay, fine, let's do it. Whatever. Sassy.

6:32

So. But yeah.

6:35

So do you get a lot of questions

6:35

when you take your horses,

6:37

particularly

6:37

your Brabants out off the farm?

6:41

Do people know

6:41

or ask questions about them?

6:43

We have a lot of people that stop

6:43

and ask us questions on our farm.

6:47

Okay? We get you know,

6:48

we're just out in the middle

6:51

and no place in the country in northwest Ohio. And we have a lot of people

6:52

that stop alongside the road,

6:56

especially now since we have a little Ben Stein out there and he runs around like,

6:58

you know, he has nothing better to do.

7:02

And, you know, we'll be out in the yard

7:02

doing something and they'll be like cars

7:06

parked in front of our pasture. And I'm like,

7:08

they're just watching the baby.

7:10

And, you know, which is kind of cool. And some of them will pull in the driveway

7:11

and ask and that kind of stuff.

7:15

We haven't taken cookie to any like

7:20

events since a couple of years ago, and she was actually at that farm

7:21

when we took her to that event.

7:25

That's where she got all her training at. So everybody that was there knew her.

7:29

We do still get a lot of people

7:29

that question about her over there

7:33

because the farm that I work at is

7:33

where we had her

7:37

and we do 250 lessons

7:40

a week of mostly children

7:43

and a lot of our kids are autistic

7:43

and that kind of stuff.

7:46

And, you know, they were just fascinated

7:46

with Cookie and her size

7:49

and they would literally just open the gate

7:50

and Cookie would just stay on her

7:52

and let those kids do whatever they're

7:52

like, my God, she came with the big horse.

7:55

We're like, Yeah, that's the safest one. So but

7:58

yeah, we still get a lot of questions.

8:00

We're contemplating maybe taking her to

8:00

some fairs this summer, but

8:06

it all depends on how the foal goes

8:06

and that kind of stuff. So.

8:10

So let's talk about the foal. You recently had a stud colt,

8:12

is that right? Yes,

8:16

it was. That what you were hoping for? Is he a keeper

8:17

or is he going to find a new home?

8:20

Find a new home? Yeah. Okay.

8:23

What were you hoping for, Emma? A girl.

8:26

Was a girl going to be a keeper? Yes. well, next time,

8:28

are you going to breed her back?

8:31

Yes. We've been breeding, to? Do you remember? Where?

8:37

Doesn't it start with me? Yes, it does.

8:39

Victor. Victor. Dr. Hernando.

8:42

So from Doctor Plata in Kentucky

8:42

in Kentucky, we went down and visited Dr.

8:48

Plata and she liked him. So he's a very sweet stud.

8:52

Yeah. Hein,

8:52

I know how you got into Brabants.

8:55

Jen and Emma, are you in a Brabants because Hein brought

8:56

that passion with him or what?

9:00

What's your Brabant stories? So I did not grow up with horses.

9:04

I grew up with beef cows, and it's crazy.

9:09

You know, that silly commercial on TV

9:09

from PBS or from the kids thing.

9:13

It says you keep those kids active

9:13

for 60 minutes a day or you know,

9:18

they won't they won't grow up right now

9:18

like, my God, what are we going to do?

9:21

And then I saw an ad for horse

9:21

riding lessons.

9:24

I'm like, let's go do that. And well,

9:25

we've been doing that every Saturday

9:27

or every Friday

9:27

now for seven and a half years.

9:30

And then we started getting into showing

9:30

I showed beef cattle.

9:34

So I was like, Yeah, we can show horses,

9:34

I don't care.

9:37

And so that just kind of started it.

9:39

And then it was probably the first trip

9:44

when Hein and I went over

9:44

to the Netherlands that I'm like,

9:47

you know, they're kind of cool, they're laid back, they're big,

9:47

They don't, you know, she doesn't

9:51

seem to care about anything and, you know,

9:51

would let anybody do anything to her.

9:55

So and I think that was a passion.

9:57

And there was a lot of when we come home

9:57

after Cookie was born and Emma

10:03

was there, that, you know, every time

10:03

Opa would call, it's how's my horse?

10:07

How's my horse and that kind of stuff from Emma. So it was kind of,

10:10

you know, she was always checking on her

10:10

and that kind of stuff.

10:12

So I'd say it was actually more

10:12

Emma's passion than Hein and our passion.

10:17

I still don't think that it was the path

10:17

that either one of us would have said,

10:20

you know, when we were dating,

10:20

Hey, we're going to get horses.

10:24

I would have said bye,

10:27

But that's where it's led us to

10:29

now, and it's just growing now. So

10:34

but yeah, it was all Emma's passion

10:34

and none of ours.

10:36

Tiny little bit.

10:39

So, Emma, when did you know that

10:39

you wanted Brabants?

10:43

When you saw the baby?

10:47

you just wanted Cookie, didn't you? Yeah,

10:50

well, I really not. Didn't want her until I actually got her.

10:54

Yeah, and Cookie was pretty easy to train.

10:57

Was like, Yeah.

10:59

So and that and that helps

10:59

is that, you know, they're,

11:02

they're honestly they're gentle giants,

11:02

you know, I've heard

11:05

other people say that about their horses and stuff, but honestly, Cookie will do anything

11:07

you ask her to do.

11:10

She remembers you know what you tell her.

11:13

You know, she has a she has a drill.

11:15

She has to go through every night before

11:15

she can go in the barn and she knows it.

11:18

And, you know, you can just stand there

11:18

and she's like, okay, fine.

11:21

And she'll do it. And then she knows she can go in the barn,

11:22

she gets her treat.

11:24

But if she doesn't do it,

11:24

she don't get her treat.

11:26

And, you know, it's I think it's that

11:26

and it's just you know, it's

11:33

they're just very calm and easy

11:33

to work with.

11:36

The only thing she can't do is walk

11:36

without her baby.

11:38

Yeah. You know, to have her baby.

11:41

She's a pretty protective

11:41

mother then. Yes.

11:43

Yes. Very, very last.

11:45

She was way more protective.

11:48

Was that her first baby last year. Yes. Yeah.

11:52

So she's getting a little better

11:52

every time. Yes.

11:55

That's good. She's protective, but not in a mean way.

11:58

Yeah, just protective. Yeah, Yeah.

12:03

Hey, Brabanters, It's Joe here

12:05

with less than 7000

12:05

European Brabants left on the planet.

12:09

The European Brabant Registry of America's

12:09

Mission is to preserve and protect

12:13

this ancient breed, and it's needed

12:13

now more than ever.

12:17

You don't have to own a Brabant

12:17

to help them

12:19

become a member of the EBRA today

12:19

and support efforts

12:22

to safeguard this heritage breed

12:22

for future generations.

12:26

Visit www.europeanbrabant.com

12:26

and join us today.

12:33

And now back to the show. So you imported

12:39

recently, you brought

12:39

how many to fillies is over?

12:42

Two fillies now and you're going

12:42

to keep cookies full sister.

12:47

And you got one that's on the market now.

12:50

Yep. Yep. Do you want to tell us a little bit about.

12:52

About her. My dad's OPA.

12:55

He had a Cookies full sister.

12:58

As you can ship her over the place, so.

13:04

Okay, we'll, we'll think about it

13:04

so you can’t ship alone.

13:09

So he need to have two. We go.

13:11

First of all, it's cheaper of shipping.

13:14

We're full. He can do either one or two

13:15

or four in the stall.

13:19

And the feeling is you do three boxes

13:19

of a shipping crate. So.

13:24

And you never let a strange horse

13:24

with your horse.

13:28

And together and in a stall. So we need to have two.

13:32

Then then we didn’t have the budget for four. So we did two my dad's, and I told

13:33

but there are those two.

13:38

It doesn’t matter what you find, either

13:38

a stud or a filly.

13:43

So he checked with his friends.

13:46

He came up with Emma and Emma actually

13:50

the comes from the same family for my what

13:53

my dad that he bought a horse

13:53

when he was starting his dairy farm

13:59

52 years ago and he bought that one

14:01

and that foal out of her

14:01

was the first foal the he had out of her.

14:07

So. Sold it and that

14:12

are that's out of the mother’s

14:14

line, that's where the Emma comes from.

14:17

The model line produced already

14:17

quite a few champions.

14:21

He looked at that Filly.

14:24

Mom is 14 or 15 years old.

14:27

Legs just like concrete,

14:30

nothing, no CPL nothing going on.

14:33

So and not at all.

14:36

She's probably 15.1 or maybe 15.2.

14:40

That's a good candidate.

14:40

So he bought her for me.

14:43

And they put it to get together

14:43

on with Venna.

14:47

I met the horse from my dad,

14:47

raised was ready for breeding.

14:52

He brought her home at my dad's farm

14:52

breeding them together.

14:56

And they together ever sense

14:56

So supposed to be

15:01

December was the time to ship them over.

15:04

But the shipping company

15:04

didn't have any half stalls.

15:08

The was made too many horses. We needed that third box

15:10

instead of a half a box.

15:14

So we had to wait

15:14

till the other side's box was sold too.

15:20

So they came in February. And if I look back,

15:22

I'm glad I waited till February.

15:25

Those

15:25

if you shipping in October, November.

15:29

It's in my opinion, it's too soon.

15:32

It's too stressful, too stressful for them

15:32

to the just been weaned a month or two

15:38

and then because shipping

15:38

is a big thing it's not

15:43

there's not that you just put them on the plane

15:44

or those horses they got the

15:48

big stress on them

15:51

in February and February.

15:53

The oldest one was ten months old.

15:56

Then the other one was eight

15:56

and they handle really well.

16:00

So well. They have to go to the to the port first.

16:03

Did you ship from Belgium, from Belgium, from like

16:10

to JFK

16:14

and then ground transported to Ohio? No.

16:17

Then they actually have to go

16:17

to the first state, New York to the ODAR

16:24

The USDA. USDA Guarantee plays a new Newburge

16:29

for three days

16:29

and we picked them up over there.

16:32

Yeah. So you went

16:34

and hauled yourself up in February?

16:38

man. They went some called

16:38

the out of my brother in law.

16:44

But what tips would you

16:46

give to somebody who's considering doing

16:46

the import process?

16:50

Was there anything that you

16:50

you kind of gleaned from your experiences

16:53

because you did it twice, right, with Cookie and then you're lucky

16:55

I'm good friends with Jeroen Gaal.

16:59

When Cookie came over Jeorone sold

17:02

the three horses from Hernando

17:06

and I think there was one more.

17:10

And Jeroene told my dad for me

17:10

the the store room on the plane.

17:13

You want to send Cookie over?

17:15

That's how it actually came along. Okay, so you shared a box

17:17

with two other Americans, I think, right?

17:22

Yes. I think this time

17:22

I dealt with Jeroene too my.

17:25

But my dad is almost 80, 79.

17:28

So paperwork.

17:30

You doesn't do that. It's hard for him.

17:34

So I told I asked Jeroene if you wanted to do it so

17:40

he was the contact person

17:40

between the shipping company

17:44

and my dad so it was

17:46

a had to be blood drawn

17:46

for the and import

17:51

papers are export

17:51

papers are all the veterinary.

17:55

You told my dad what to do

17:55

and so that was helpful

18:00

for other persons.

18:02

Well I would recommend go visit

18:06

if you don't know don't know nobody.

18:09

I would go visits

18:09

plane tickets is only $700 to $1,000.

18:15

It's a cheap, cheap, cheap

18:18

way to find your horses.

18:21

Yeah. You're spending 10,000 plus 15,000

18:27

with shipping

18:27

and purchase price on a horse.

18:30

And then a thousand bucks is nothing.

18:33

So and you gain so much experience.

18:37

What would you recommend to people

18:37

who are going to make the trip over?

18:41

What would you recommend? They link up with somebody

18:44

who knows the breeders over there

18:44

or how would they get in touch with them?

18:48

yes, ask for it.

18:52

Just like on your European Brabant page

18:52

or the EBRA Forum who you recommend.

18:57

That's what I did with Rebecca

18:57

and Dehan last time.

19:01

And they went over,

19:01

I gave them a couple addresses

19:04

to go visits,

19:04

especially because Rebecca had trouble

19:07

with AI’ing with a repro.

19:11

And I told to do my the stud farm

19:11

and my dad

19:15

always worked with AI’d

19:15

from the beginning.

19:20

So that's probably already 30 years.

19:23

So he's not he's not the perfect person.

19:26

But they they all can share information.

19:29

So it's interesting

19:29

you bring that up about reproduction.

19:33

So a lot of breeders

19:33

here do live cover breeding

19:38

and are maybe a little bit reluctant

19:38

about artificial insemination.

19:42

Do you have any sort of advice

19:46

you'd like to to give folks out there

19:46

who may be on the fence about it?

19:50

We've actually never done a live cover.

19:53

We've only done

19:53

the artificial insemination.

19:57

My recommendation would be to definitely

19:57

find an equine specialist.

20:01

But first of all,

20:01

when you're dealing with your horses,

20:06

our vet clinic that we use is actually has two veterinarians

20:07

in the building and all they do is horses

20:12

all week long live it, love it.

20:16

That's all they do. And we actually use our vet then as our

20:22

our breeder, he has a very nice setup.

20:24

We do it at his facility right there.

20:27

You know we take Cookie

20:27

and in the morning he checks or

20:30

he gives us the go get it,

20:32

you know or we're going to hold off

20:32

for another couple of days.

20:36

He actually keeps Cookie in the hole

20:36

for us at the at the vet clinic.

20:40

He has a pasture and everything

20:40

and we leave then stay there.

20:43

It's just less stressful on them.

20:45

And the last thing you want to do

20:45

is give her more stress, you know,

20:48

by transporting and hauling her baby

20:48

and unloading and all that.

20:51

So if we can keep her at the vet office

20:51

and she's calm, cool and collective

20:55

and able to breed the next morning,

20:55

so transporting her back in,

20:59

it's so much easier keeping up on your vet

21:02

papers, your vaccinations, your worming

21:05

and everything like that, and make sure

21:05

they have a really good body condition.

21:09

If they don't have that good body

21:09

condition

21:11

going into the pregnancy,

21:11

there's really no purpose.

21:14

You're never going to gain that body

21:14

condition back if you go in

21:18

at a low body score. So, you know, keeping them in their top

21:23

on top of their game

21:23

is probably the most important,

21:26

especially last trimester of pregnancy.

21:30

Yeah, because that's how when the follicle

21:30

is already made for the next pregnancy.

21:36

So if they got the negative body

21:40

negative energy balance

21:42

at that time,

21:42

then you never can produce a good egg.

21:45

So minerals feed feed

21:49

plenty of minerals now

21:49

and that was something that feeding

21:53

we feed tribute calm and easy

21:56

and hay she doesn't get much grain

21:59

and pasture Yeah and Dr.

22:03

Plata it was one of them that told us he's like,

22:03

make sure she gets her trace minerals.

22:08

So. BLOCK Salt lacks salt. Salt block, You know, put it in a bucket,

22:09

and Cookie always knows where it is,

22:14

and it's kept her in good body condition.

22:19

So, Emma, you ride light horses.

22:21

Are you going to make the switch

22:21

to riding your heavy?

22:25

No, probably not. No,

22:28

We have tried because Cookie's broke.

22:32

She's just too big for stride, so. Just way too big.

22:35

Yeah.

22:37

You get bigger. Will you do it then?

22:40

Maybe. Maybe, Yeah.

22:42

We had some really good trainers

22:45

that broke cookie to do

22:45

Western showmanship and western pleasure.

22:49

And Cookie. Looks like she's enjoying

22:51

it when she's doing it.

22:54

I don't know. She really is or not. But yeah, her stride is quite big

22:59

and when she rolls those shoulders

22:59

and was like, I feel like the saddle

23:02

falling off and I'm like that

23:02

and I got on Cookie and I don't ride it.

23:06

And I'm like,

23:06

and I just walked around the big arena.

23:09

I'm like, Yeah,

23:09

I can see what I'm talking about now.

23:11

So that's what's so enjoyable

23:11

about the sort of ambling rolling gait.

23:16

Yeah, I just love a good trail

23:16

ride on a Brabant.

23:18

It's the best. And it was kind of funny.

23:21

The trainer that we had on her,

23:25

he just graduated from college,

23:25

from equine college,

23:27

and he was doing the training

23:27

when she was in high school

23:30

and he would get Cookie into a full lope

23:30

almost like, you know, a full on gallop.

23:34

And it felt like

23:34

the earth was moving. Yeah,

23:38

People heard it a mile away. Yes, Yes.

23:40

Everybody stopped and turned. I'm like, She's fine

23:46

and I don't ride. So. do you,

23:47

do you do any harness work Hein?

23:51

No, I don’t have any time.

23:54

Not enough time

23:56

that's there to get to the.

23:59

My daily job as a manager of 2,200 cows.

24:04

Dairy cows. So when I come home

24:04

then I enjoy the horses

24:09

and spending time with them,

24:09

but not close riding.

24:13

Or maybe driving in the future.

24:16

Emma Do you think you'll do

24:16

any halter classes with them?

24:19

Maybe in the future? Yeah.

24:22

I heard that you did

24:22

you go to a show while you were over there

24:25

in the Netherlands? A jumping show? Yes, you did.

24:29

That was that very cool.

24:31

They were jumping like four or five,

24:31

six feet. No.

24:36

Five feet. Five feet. But there were some Olympic jumpers

24:39

there from the Netherlands team.

24:41

So it was kind of neat. Wow.

24:44

Because we don't we don't go

24:44

to any of the jumping shows around here.

24:46

So it was something different

24:46

for us to see.

24:49

We didn't go to any Brabant shows,

24:49

So that's

24:53

what is the number one thing

24:53

you think that makes a Brbaant great,

24:58

just how calm they are.

25:01

Sometimes their jog,

25:04

they're really pretty when they run huh?

25:06

Their feathers. What's the one thing

25:08

people people don't know about a Brababnt

25:12

that you think is really interesting?

25:15

Easy keepers I think. Yeah, they can go a long way with nothing,

25:16

barely anything.

25:21

So they pretty much get fat on air.

25:25

Yeah. Yeah.

25:28

Is there anything you'd like to add

25:28

or that you would like to tell us

25:31

about your farm or anything? We’re always open for visitors?

25:34

Anybody ever wants to stop by

25:34

or we have one spare room

25:37

so we can kick Emma out of her room

25:37

to spare.

25:41

No, I like my room.

25:44

They're fun horses. I think

25:45

they're like the perfect family horse

25:50

for somebody that wants, you know,

25:50

I don't want to say a pasture pet,

25:53

but a pasture pet that, you know,

25:53

they can have a little bit of fun with.

25:57

And it's not high maintenance.

25:59

You know, you can keep them on, unshoed

25:59

and that kind of stuff out in the past

26:02

year, as long as you're not on the road

26:02

and, you know, they're pretty docile.

26:07

You know, we had to teach Cookie everything from English to what garage doors were,

26:09

where the teachers were.

26:12

Hay was, you know, and and pellet feed.

26:15

And, you know, she was she was an easy

26:18

learner.

26:22

She learned a lot. She learned what cross ties were.

26:24

You know,

26:24

we put her in a set of cross ties

26:26

because we work with light legged horses

26:26

all the time.

26:29

And I walked away to get a set of brushes

26:29

and she followed me

26:33

with it with the cross ties. She'd never seen them before.

26:38

She's like, I don't know what these things are, but that's who I'm with,

26:39

so I'm going to follow her, you know?

26:42

And she just followed me. She didn't know what else to do, you know, and she had never seen it

26:44

a garage door open before.

26:47

You know, they're kept outside over there.

26:50

And now, you know,

26:50

so for her to be in a stall, she's like,

26:54

I don't know what you

26:54

people are thinking, but, you know,

26:57

so she's it's amazing

26:57

how far they have come.

27:00

Even the two

27:00

we have now, Venna and Emma, It's amazing

27:03

how far they've come in the short time

27:03

that they've been here.

27:07

And with his work schedule

27:07

and my recent work schedule,

27:09

we haven't had much time

27:09

to work with them.

27:12

But you know, they know

27:14

a lot of a lot of stuff already for

27:14

only being here for a couple of months.

27:17

And I think that's I don't think a lot of people

27:19

give them that much credit for that.

27:22

You know, everybody's like, it's just a horse. She has eaten their hay burners.

27:25

Well, you know,

27:25

she doesn't have to be a hay burner,

27:28

she can go

27:28

and do whatever you want her to do.

27:30

You want to ride Western? She can do it. You want to write English,

27:31

she can do it.

27:33

You want your showmanship, she can do it. You want to pull a log out of the woods,

27:35

She'll do it.

27:37

You know, she's she's eager to do

27:37

anything, and she's here to please you.

27:42

Really? Not us. Please her.

27:45

So how can people reach out to you

27:45

and your farm?

27:48

We're on Facebook at Koekje Jar Stables,

27:48

but cookie

27:51

jars filled with a K O E K J E,

27:55

which is Dutch for Cookie.

27:57

Well, I'll let you get back to your evening. I really again your time.

28:01

Thank you. Bye Bye. Bye Emma. Bye.