2:00

He's like, oh, okay, how did you use this? That's great. Did you

2:02

use it? Yeah, fuck yeah. Yeah. If

2:04

they're gonna buy, if they're gonna spam me, I'm gonna

2:06

reap the benefit. You gotta get yours. Yeah,

2:09

exactly. So anyway, I don't know. I'm gonna have

2:11

to, I'm gonna have to suss out this

2:14

sad, frosty situation and work

2:16

it through with the fine folks

2:20

that quality is our recipe LLC, the

2:23

Wendy's International Corporation, I guess. What

2:25

is there even a Wendy's within accessible distance

2:27

to you? I'm not sure there are Wendy's

2:29

around there. So for a long time, Wendy's

2:32

was the closest fast food joint to my

2:34

house. Oh. That wasn't a McDonald's. Cause

2:36

the Wendy's, there's a Wendy's in Colma or

2:39

it's on mission at Colma

2:41

basically. So when you come up the freeway, you

2:43

get off the freeway and you go straight across

2:45

to pass Colma Bart and there's a Wendy's right

2:47

there. It's open late too, which was

2:49

important for different periods of time in my life.

2:51

Sure. And I guess it was

2:53

never closer than the Taco Bell, just in full disclosure,

2:55

but sometimes, sometimes you

2:58

want a burger and not a, you know, some

3:00

sort of burrito or taco. Oh, I see the

3:02

Wendy's near you. There's not a Wendy's in San Francisco. I

3:05

can tell you that. Really? There's

3:07

Wendy's salon and Wendy's beauty house. I

3:09

don't think either of those serves frosties.

3:12

There used to be a Wendy's in,

3:15

there used to be a Wendy's in like

3:18

out West when I lived out in the Loughlin street, there

3:21

was a Wendy's next to a KFC. I

3:23

will tell you the fine folks at Wendy's have

3:25

been doing some good work with the frosties. Wendy's

3:29

is my go-to when I'm on a road trip for

3:31

like I need a fast food burger. And

3:36

in the summertime, they do strawberry frosties now, which

3:39

are quite good. And at Christmas

3:41

time, peppermint frosties. No. The

3:44

peppermint frosties are the bomb. That, nope,

3:46

no pumpkin spice frosty yet. They do

3:48

a pumpkin spice frosty and like everything else, pumpkin

3:50

spice, it's vile. We'll talk about

3:53

that. We don't know. We don't encourage that behavior.

3:56

Get wrecked Wendy's. They still do the dollar menu.

3:58

Weren't they the ones that have like the dollar chili. years.

6:00

It was great to Adam too. I don't mean to

6:02

like just talk about how great Kishore was and then

6:05

we love Adam too. Adam was always good, of course. But

6:09

yeah, we made some pizzas on

6:11

New Year's where I busted out

6:14

the baking steel and got the

6:16

oven up to 550 degrees and

6:18

the baking steel. Yeah, you

6:21

know, because it transfers the heat better. You get

6:23

all my leopard on the crust, right? It's

6:26

a very imposing and somewhat rugged phrase,

6:29

I think. Look, it is the manliest way

6:31

to make pizza in your oven at home

6:33

without having your own outdoor pizza oven. It's

6:35

like a tactical baking method. It is

6:39

kind of what I'm thinking here, honestly. Okay,

6:42

so it does come with a sleeve. So you

6:44

can store it when it's not in the oven.

6:46

Sure. But I usually leave it in the oven

6:48

because it helps distribute heat evenly. Yes. Yes. Yes,

6:51

we made some pizza. We made

6:54

the hot fudge from scratch, which I'd never done before.

6:56

I think we talked about that last week a little bit. Yes, we

6:58

do. Yeah, it's

7:00

a good holiday. You? Yeah, everything's

7:03

going well. Yeah,

7:05

reasonably, under the circumstances,

7:07

my arteries are hardening steadily day

7:09

by day. Perfect. Time to

7:11

go eat. Well, actually, I'm trying to eat a lot of

7:13

salads while I'm here to offset all of the other stuff.

7:16

I was going to say, how much ham have you eaten

7:18

while you've been there? Ham

7:21

did not have one on the holiday. Oh, no. Owing

7:23

to various things. There was going to be a

7:25

honey baked ham as is tradition, but that

7:28

didn't quite come together. But it's

7:30

okay. Have you gotten any country ham while you've been

7:32

there? Yes. Yes. Because the thing is, the thing that

7:34

I didn't understand growing up there is that most parts

7:37

of the country, you don't just go into the meat

7:39

section of the grocery store and buy slices of country

7:41

ham if you put them on them. No, you don't.

7:43

Yeah. Here, it's just everywhere. It's like it's on the

7:45

end cap at the gas station. I mean, yeah, not

7:47

really, but it might as well be. There's a ham

7:50

guy that comes door to door one Sunday mornings and

7:52

he's like, hey, man, you want some ham? It's

7:55

maybe the only meat That's not

7:57

ultra, ultra processed. It's the only meat I've

7:59

no the doesn't need to refrigerated. it's just

8:01

they are on the shelf. Yeah more to

8:03

slice you have to process the have to

8:06

the refrigerator right? Yeah, what's that

8:08

package mean? What mobile game once once?

8:10

like? So. If you have a

8:12

whole ham it's like crew crusted over. You

8:14

could just hang that your basement by. we

8:16

used to do that. it's gross. Yellow The

8:18

country ham loaf. Idiot. I'm talking country

8:21

have to like you like when they sold them and

8:23

smoke them and they're cured. You. Have

8:25

you the basics you for card off the outside

8:27

anyway before you eat it. Oh see we don't

8:29

we'll get a thing. The requires carving is just

8:31

as pre sliced are you get the sizes is

8:33

a very tough incredibly salty. yeah I mean like

8:36

it's basically made of souls. Did. You

8:38

do the due to the thing we put the brown

8:40

sugar on it and super in the pan and i

8:42

have an the water though he just throw in the

8:44

pan fry it and make of make red eye gravy

8:46

out of the drippings. yeah so we dad always did

8:49

the thing where he wouldn't did fry it up and

8:51

then put the brett the the. The. Brown

8:53

sugar on the top so it's like Susan salty

8:55

and I think he would do a little bit

8:57

of water. He'd cook dinner at the keyboard clicking

8:59

the lovin' a water to pull some of the

9:02

sold out and then let the water boil and

9:04

fry up. for that I came wrong or fish

9:06

or signal said the foothills he Carolina divide against.

9:08

Look I have a real hankering for country. I'm

9:10

late two times a year and that's basically the

9:12

the mid as most I said eat and I

9:15

just i usually don't follow up on it does

9:17

to him. It's a it's

9:19

a dangerous food. Yes, we did. We'd have

9:21

once a year on Christmas morning provided pearl

9:23

together and that's it to. That's all but

9:25

one can can or should tolerate. It's too

9:27

much, too damn much salt on and I'm

9:30

vagina okay Holiday Brown like you. Know

9:33

what I can tolerate an infinite amount

9:35

of ah I don't accuse. Maybe guess

9:37

to full days this this? this is

9:40

maybe the best sibling. We've been doing

9:42

this for two years and four years

9:44

and change. I don't know. a hundred

9:46

years. Guess it's actually changed. So it's

9:49

a good job or almost four and half

9:51

years and now has was so don't know.

9:53

It's only two hundred and sixteen were August

9:55

twenty nineteenth is when we started which was

9:57

here we are worth Five years ago. Go

10:00

Go Go. I'm. I'm

10:02

so fifty two times for as two

10:04

hundred and eight and where a two

10:06

hundred and yeah, okay mother been some

10:09

gaps I'm but yes so. This.

10:11

Is maybe the all time best crop of cues

10:13

we I've seen that I remember yes as a

10:15

real bumper crop I ever we we we could

10:17

do to have two months worth of episodes I

10:19

would have one month of jews yes if we

10:21

hadn't already done and extras una last month I

10:23

would be like which is due to been a.

10:26

While and so if we don't get your quest

10:28

I guess I'm saying is I apologize. It was

10:30

a huge. The competition was toughness. months of real

10:32

answer questions. again if you. if you

10:34

have them. and unfortunately he didn't do this before the

10:36

holidays so. You.

10:39

Know we we skipped a lot of the the

10:41

holiday related question says resubmit doesn't the fall. If

10:43

you have a question email addresses tech by the content

10:45

that town or if you're a patrons of school patron

10:48

of the show ah by going to me try that

10:50

comes eisteddfod and signing up for five bucks a month

10:52

to get access to the discord. Then. You

10:54

can post your questions in the to seeking a

10:56

channel and they'll disappear for you, but they'll be

10:59

there when Bratton I go look at them through.

11:01

And we appreciate them all. Yes, Or

11:04

adopters can go in order here, as are so many.

11:06

Will just get on the list. Or for

11:09

mean the. This

11:11

question comes in from avant garde

11:13

nerf. And I are worried

11:15

that superego dame. This is why Oh

11:17

the inbox, The email. Subject

11:19

Line: a podcast puts me to sleep.

11:21

Thank you for. A. While

11:24

I would assume welcome yes, by by which

11:26

I mean it puts both my small children

11:28

sleep which is a godsend on long car

11:31

juries. of which I am

11:33

eternally grateful. Adidas have

11:35

a particular audio experience or device

11:37

that aids your sullied. Who.

11:40

Ah I'd I use a sound we as a sound

11:42

machine at home. like a mechanical one. In

11:44

fact I I don't know the brand off some my head

11:47

but I but I would. just about my girlfriend bought it

11:49

sort of even know where came from but I would just

11:51

about that. It's like the one that everybody buys, probably on

11:53

amazon. It's like this little. Little. Just

11:55

so wonderful thing that says on the table and. It's

11:57

got to. I'm. Too. That

12:00

a swivel back and forth. Assume. There's some

12:02

kind of motor in there that spans. While. And

12:04

it they just like grinds to make noises.

12:06

yeah so they're a little slap on the

12:08

side and by turning the to little slut

12:10

parts of the cylinder that rotate your exposing

12:12

different little different sizes of the slaps on

12:14

the sides. So. It changes the. Volume.

12:17

And character like tone of the of white

12:19

noise coming out. oh we're and acoustically or

12:21

inside presumably not. although know there's I think

12:23

there's there's something we spending in there about

12:25

me or maybe maybe it's a speaker idol

12:28

know it sounds. I. Feel. I feel it

12:30

vibrating when it's on, so I think something is

12:32

probably moving in there. That's

12:34

cool. yeah is pretty. I would have

12:36

to prance like some I when I'm

12:38

when I'm back home. Last people are

12:40

curious butter and I just use one

12:42

of the many thousands of for. Of

12:45

of nameless white noise apps on.

12:48

On the apps or on my phone when

12:50

I travel which actually. Has. Made me

12:53

wonder. There's. No, there's no

12:55

harm in running. Your I phone

12:57

speaker at full of were awful I am but

12:59

like pretty high volume for like eight straight hours

13:01

a night for weeks or days on and. You.

13:04

Been doing it for a long time right

13:06

now in my fine, okay. I'm

13:08

I do so at nighttime. if it's just

13:11

going to bed at night, our house is

13:13

generally pretty quiet. I don't I don't do

13:15

when he can noise for that. I'm

13:18

by if I'm to get a nap

13:20

in the afternoon in the houses sometimes

13:22

pretty loud saw Banana Paranoid Counseling earphones

13:24

and I like the sleepy playlist on

13:26

Apple Music which a slight. Chill

13:29

beats with like you know lots and

13:31

lots of times and stuff like that

13:34

it's and now that sounds pretty good

13:36

under very like new age. it's like

13:38

massage table music in the i think

13:40

of ah. Ah, I

13:43

actually. I'm. The opposite. Like any the

13:45

white noise when it's to fly, it. On,

13:47

I think I think it's because one sided, because

13:49

I'm such a light sleeper that any noise that

13:51

Pierce's like absolute silence. Is. Going to

13:54

wake me up guaranteed. when

13:56

you got hooked me with a stick and i'd be

13:59

fine cards or jealous I

14:01

low-key despise people who are sound sleepers.

14:04

Well, this is awkward now. Yeah.

14:07

Anyway, the other thing is, as I have

14:09

unfortunately developed ringing in my years over the

14:11

last couple of years, the

14:14

white voice helps you ignore that when you're trying to

14:16

fall asleep. That's the

14:18

nice thing about the noise canceling headphones, Joe, is you put just

14:21

a tiny bit of noise and it goes away. Yes.

14:24

Here's an email from Joe about Eggnog.

14:27

Ooh. Everyone's favorite topic. I

14:29

love Eggnog. I don't know if it's the season. Yes.

14:32

Joe, getting a head start on next year since we're past holidays

14:34

here, but I need a new

14:36

favorite Eggnog brand. My Eggnog

14:38

of choice used to be the one made by Borden. It

14:41

came in a can and was found in the same aisle

14:43

with the condensed milk. They eventually stopped using

14:45

cans and switched to cartons and now it seems they don't

14:47

sell it around me at all anymore. I

14:51

know Will used to make Eggnog before he tried to kill

14:53

him, but in the absence

14:55

of homemade, do you have a favorite brand of

14:57

store-bought Enog? Okay,

15:00

first off, I'm going to say making the Eggnog

15:02

not that hard. I made like six gallons again

15:04

this year as is my way. Yeah. You

15:07

just have to be careful about consuming it, right? I

15:10

can drink it. I just

15:12

... I wouldn't want

15:14

to have a big dry and drink of

15:16

it and then go on a long road trip if you know what

15:18

I mean. Got it. But

15:21

the ... so

15:23

making it's not that hard. I

15:26

use the chef's chef's recipe. I got a lot of questions about it.

15:29

But it's just the chef's steps. I think it's velvety,

15:31

smooth, eggnog and it's very good. I

15:34

don't put fake rum or fake almond

15:36

flavor in it. I let people add

15:38

their own booze if they want because I have a lot of friends

15:40

who don't drink now. The

15:44

recommendation on store-bought brands is to buy the

15:46

... like look for the one from the

15:48

fancy creamery near you. So

15:50

if there's some place that does like

15:53

the cream on top milk

15:55

or whatever in the glass jars, Just

15:58

buy the expensive eggnog for ... Them and

16:00

just drink a little bit of a desert.

16:02

Much I I tend to think that the

16:04

I'm A I'm interested. I'm curious about the

16:06

Borden Can stuff. So I have no

16:08

idea what that would be light but my guess is

16:11

that the that the I'm. The.

16:13

Though the good creamery stuff will be

16:15

closer to what you're looking for than

16:17

anything else. Boarding busy brand I don't

16:19

think I have encountered since decreed school

16:21

lunch rooms. They had a

16:23

good cowan. The labels I remember thefts

16:25

right you do you live Evaporator condensed

16:27

milk? I'm guessing not not so much

16:29

only nest or also us. I

16:33

found this email fascinating. I you may

16:35

also find a hundreds as an ulcer

16:37

like relevant to your. Ah,

16:40

Currents objectives A needs to work was

16:42

this is why this came in I

16:44

believe. Yes, Yes, artistically because

16:46

of you're talking about that's or that I

16:48

discuss this. I found this very interesting. It's

16:50

from Joe. Ah,

16:52

A recent episode will mention looking for Work

16:55

for his diverse skillset and Brad the Delphi

16:57

but that sort of generalized versus a specialized

16:59

work history as well. We're.

17:01

Not actually hiring right now sadly, but I

17:03

wanted to pass along some and about my

17:05

role at Bungie, which is production engineering. And.

17:08

I gave a Gdc taught on this role in months. When

17:11

you know gene a lot of that leak in the show

17:13

notes. Ah, But. In

17:15

short, we act as front line development

17:17

support for artists, designers, testers, engineers, basically

17:19

anyone working on the game. A.

17:22

Sort of like tech support but for

17:24

games fools or sort of like technical

17:26

art but supporting all disciplines and developers

17:28

and so just Horace. I With

17:30

our day to day experience on blocking folks,

17:32

we also identify work Philippine Point trends. And

17:35

often end up writing little scripts make

17:37

things easier or building of research and

17:39

data to advocate to fulfil that engineering

17:41

teams to approve workflows. Plus,

17:43

since we're experience with many of the tools and

17:46

workflows at least on a surface level, we can

17:48

usually jump in and help out anywhere as needed.

17:51

We'll have a variety of backgrounds and work

17:53

experience before coming to Bungee. Or

17:55

and in the password. Wills described the variety

17:57

of his work. on the increases I thought

17:59

about of the overlay with the key role.

18:01

eyebrows getting out about don't oil pipelines also

18:04

felt like he like roles well. Ah,

18:06

or it's as long to just give you a

18:08

heads up that roles like these exist and I

18:10

think it could be a good fit for the

18:12

types of skill sets you'll have described. A

18:15

respond also spawn up a production engineer team

18:18

last year and I've seen Io interactive has

18:20

a role cold Front Line support engineer. the

18:22

sounded very similar. But it's

18:24

not a discipline as widely known in the

18:26

game industry as something like technical or yet.

18:30

That's awesome. So yeah that this is. it's

18:33

funny. I gotta several notes for I say

18:35

I'm talking about this. I got a lot

18:37

an Isis from people so thanks to refer

18:39

writing an arm and brand from from freaking

18:41

out I'm. Like dead tech

18:44

companies do have a similar roles

18:46

I think Intel. A friend that

18:48

Intel said that they call them

18:50

Texas Tech marketing engineers There. When

18:54

they're the people who help build help

18:56

with benchmarks and stuff like that, there's

18:58

also people. In. The pipeline.

19:00

Further that help support like the design

19:02

engineers with the same kind of problems rights

19:05

so like they build tools to help optimize

19:07

layouts and stuff like that help that help

19:09

them use to tooling better not not necessarily

19:12

using the of the isi those inside and

19:14

others are several that existed so thanks thanks

19:16

for writing and and yeah that kind of

19:18

stuff sounds fun. Now that. Sounds

19:20

is unlike the most Swiss army knife type of road

19:23

you could have in that environment. Almost. Well.

19:25

It's it's and it's nice. It's

19:28

nice that there is a

19:30

defined place. A peep

19:32

from for like the kind of work that isn't

19:35

like a full team job. But. Is like.

19:37

A I can spend three days. One person can

19:39

spend three days working on this and significantly improve

19:42

a lot of people's lives versus A We need

19:44

to rebuild the tool. Same for this, right? right?

19:46

That like they got to is often that hey,

19:48

I need to spend three days like this is

19:50

a thing that Daves tighter. And

19:53

whiskey was really really good about like when

19:55

when we asked him to do a calculator

19:57

to the we could put hours minutes. The

19:59

second set on the podcast is like hello

20:01

to the take you to do that every

20:03

day when you're you to the park guess

20:06

once a week if the calculation. how often.

20:08

Once. A week and there's three people

20:10

doing podcast across the whole company and

20:13

would take us to days to put

20:15

this in which seemed excessive. The whatever

20:17

I'm always always overflowed. Yeah always yeah.

20:19

this the Engineer Scotty method of over

20:21

over there yeah and but but yes

20:23

like city about it in terms of

20:25

how much time is going to take

20:27

vs to to do that work for

20:29

says how much time will take to

20:31

implement the fixes. It is a place.

20:36

For. Fun stuff. Here

20:39

is okay with on some to score questions

20:41

here. Here's one from Simply Bagels. The

20:43

your preferred debts batteries in the fridge when you

20:45

were a kid to get some extra juice out

20:48

of them. This is that thing. and another was

20:50

a thing. I I guess I absolute Rember doing

20:52

that and I don't have any idea. I don't

20:54

know that I ever had. It works. Ah,

20:58

I'm. A.

21:00

Ton of them in the freezer, not in

21:02

the fridge or freezer. for me, I'm at.

21:04

That is chemicals and in energy. I mean

21:06

there's there's something chemical going on there. I

21:08

suppose changing the state or I'm not fully

21:10

changed. see, changing the with chemicals are you

21:12

know what I mean. Like affecting them thermal.

21:15

He could potentially do something that. I'm also

21:17

got my death phone snow but that's not

21:19

how worse is. I mean we we Would

21:21

You make him cool. You're reducing the energy

21:23

in the system. The chemical reactions going to

21:25

happens slower as a result of the decreased.

21:29

Decreased. Energy in the batteries

21:31

like that the heat to thermal energy like

21:33

the batteries running at room temperature is going

21:35

to be generate more reaction than the batteries

21:37

running it freezer temperature so I don't have

21:40

any idea that one were like every I

21:42

think this is something kid said to do

21:44

turn that was not reliable. Also he didn't

21:47

do like you create compensation, you pull them

21:49

out which is probably bad for a multitude

21:51

of reasons I'm so yep don't don't do

21:53

that. Probably would be my advice. The

21:56

other which would I ever had was to just over the

21:58

battery compartment and spend them. Older gentleman even

22:01

ground dad that would like only a bunch

22:03

of times when I don't like a tv

22:05

remote. Seemingly. Be dead.

22:07

Just. Just kind of spending them in the in

22:09

the honor against jobs where they sit in the

22:11

term air or wouldn't would get enough life out

22:14

of the things you get to do whatever thing

22:16

and is due on the tv brief. I mean

22:18

it wouldn't last very long been a long enough

22:20

to like. From. As he often am,

22:22

I wonder if you're reducing the resistance to Sinhalese

22:24

more Scraping the tarnish off the i'm on a

22:26

battery does is to reduce the risk since enough

22:28

to get a few more electron through their at

22:30

a little. Ah, we are speaking of alkaline batteries

22:33

I'd been. I've been going through some stuff in

22:35

the storage area while I've been here at home.

22:37

Mom just on of with the went through some of my

22:40

old stuff. I found a tiger

22:42

handheld. remember those? Oh yeah I love the zebra

22:44

to the soccer when the baseball on the football

22:46

and this was mouse mais. Oh

22:48

wow you river mouse me as yeah

22:50

i'm i'm rasmus reach me at home.

22:52

We had a rousing. I

22:54

swap agreement and my elementary school will helping

22:57

those and we'd swap. I'm play different ones

22:59

my I had to crocker one of which

23:01

was one of the better games. like your

23:03

Juri you're just you're just older and awesome.

23:05

Me like By the time I was old

23:07

enough for Tiger handheld, game Boy was eminence.

23:10

But. But you you got a few years on

23:12

me so I can see that there for you. Probably

23:14

had a good chunk of time. a good run where

23:16

the tiger handholds were a thing for they were cheap

23:19

to the day. I can be like like Gameboy of

23:21

the most expensive and yet it wasn't. I.

23:23

Was almost too old for the gameboy by the time

23:25

the game Boy came out. Or you're never too old

23:27

for a post on the i know that now but

23:29

at the time when we we are we had some

23:31

things. The. Fifth graders had some real strong

23:34

feelings about what was an appropriate age be playing

23:36

a. You know, from

23:38

family and voice. Yes, yeah. Anyway,

23:40

ah that that mouse mais units.

23:43

For. Small had a day copyright data nineteen Eighty

23:45

Seven, which was not necessarily exactly when I got

23:47

it, but somewhere in the ballpark. There.

23:50

Were still batteries and. I'll

23:52

his little with a torch. Those batteries

23:54

cannot have been put in there. any

23:57

later than like by eighteen ninety i would

23:59

say and

26:00

the big giant advancements.

26:04

Going from vertical to

26:06

shingled and going from putting

26:09

helium inside the drive so that there's less turbulence

26:11

so you can put more disks in and stuff

26:13

like that is showing

26:15

incremental improvements. Yeah.

26:18

That reminds me of what happened with CPUs

26:21

where we finally just hit a – after

26:23

all the brute force, just linear increases in

26:25

clock speed on CPUs, we finally

26:27

hit a hard limit on that and so

26:29

they had to start finding all kinds of other ways

26:31

to make CPUs faster instead. Yeah.

26:34

Or do more work. Now, there are a

26:36

couple of things coming on hard drives.

26:40

Seagate has a thing called

26:44

heat assisted magnetic recording that

26:47

uses a laser to warm

26:49

the bits because that

26:51

reduces the resistance to change. And

26:55

they can pack them in at a 10x

26:57

density basically over existing

27:00

technologies. Now there's

27:02

probably going to be some downsides because my

27:04

guess is with the laser spot heating, it's

27:06

going to be slower, right? Slower

27:09

writes. Sure. And

27:11

a 10x increase in density is still

27:13

only going to get us to like 200 terabyte drives

27:15

versus 20 terabyte drives today,

27:17

right? So I

27:19

don't think petabytes are possible on spinning disks unless

27:22

we go back to the big five and a

27:24

quarter inch, the big boys

27:26

we used to have in the 90s. Yeah.

27:30

The solid state side is a little different.

27:32

Yeah. Sorry, let me jump in

27:34

before you go to SSDs. It looks like Seagate

27:37

has announced a 30 terabyte drive. I

27:40

don't know that it's quite on the market yet. But

27:42

anyway, that looks like that's the state of the art

27:44

in hard drives is about 30 terabytes per in the

27:46

drive right now. Yeah. Anyway,

27:49

SSDs. So the

27:51

SSDs are limited by density and

27:57

you can buy a really long SSD right now

27:59

for the data center. Right. So like

28:01

they there are data center SSDs that are that

28:03

are longer than the ones you put in your

28:05

normal gaming BC that

28:08

the whole more chips and more

28:10

density and the the the 3d

28:12

stacking of the NAND seems

28:14

to be something

28:17

that can I don't know what

28:19

it's I don't want to say it's infinite but like

28:21

we're Like

28:23

there's performance implications and stuff like that, but

28:26

they're still holding more bits per cell Or

28:31

bits per square inch and then there's also like quad

28:33

level NAND and stuff like that quad level cells which

28:35

can store four bits per cell instead of one and

28:39

Like it's possible. I don't think we're

28:41

gonna get to petabyte on

28:43

NAND in 10 years But maybe that's a

28:46

little wilder. I just found an

28:48

article that seems like Taylor made to answer this

28:50

exact question this was

28:52

at the The

28:54

China flash memory market summit in March

28:57

of last year Samsung Actually,

29:00

we explicitly said they expect to

29:02

hit a one petabyte capacity

29:04

on an SSD within a decade Okay,

29:07

well there you go utilizing all the stuff you mentioned,

29:09

but that's who knows if that'll actually be available Conversely

29:13

or if that's just like hey we have done this in

29:15

a lab like as a prototype or something like that

29:17

But it's exactly what you said. It's just like layers

29:20

upon layers of stacked memory And

29:23

stuff like that Yeah,

29:26

I mean the other thing is the the

29:28

process tech is easier to advance It seems

29:30

like then then like NAND does well at

29:32

lower at smaller process techs Process

29:35

sizes and then NAND process sizes are

29:37

still relatively large. Yeah I

29:40

wonder if maybe the more interesting question here is Our

29:43

is flash memory isn't is NAND going to

29:46

surpass hard drives finally in the next decade

29:48

Because hard drives progress going to slow down and

29:50

SSD accelerate to the point that Has

29:53

these are actually bigger than hard drives finally

29:55

well and or and or price per price per

29:58

terabyte or whatever I did the math people

34:00

say that Brisbane Brisbane. Oh, well, uh,

34:03

apparently, apparently specialties does survive in those

34:05

places. Oh, the Brisbane ones,

34:07

when I used to order, order from when I worked at

34:09

future. Okay. So they're not gone. So hang on. I'm going

34:11

to look up their PB and J right now. This doesn't

34:13

look the same as it used to. Hmm. Hmm.

34:17

Look, a lot of things have

34:20

changed. Yeah. I think this is, oh

34:22

no, it says, it says reestablished

34:24

2022. Does this say pretender specialties?

34:28

Oh, you're right. Reestablished 2022

34:30

weird. Maybe this could actually be new ownership. Wow.

34:33

I'm excited. That barbecue pork, that barbecue

34:35

pulled chicken sandwiches is a banger. If

34:38

it's the same one, the

34:40

beef and blue was always good too. I just

34:43

see a PB and stuff here. I don't either.

34:45

I have PB and stuff. That's

34:47

what they called it. Interesting. Um,

34:50

uh, I'll, I'll just, I'll just answer real fast.

34:52

I kind of don't care

34:54

about it. Well, I don't care. I definitely don't care about

34:56

the bread. Whatever's around. Uh, my,

34:58

my one, my, my staunch

35:00

peanut butter stance now is no sugar in

35:03

peanut butter. Yeah. Like,

35:05

I like the, I like the peanut butter that

35:07

just says ingredients peanuts. Yeah.

35:10

Like kind of is kind of what I

35:12

eat for peanut butter these days. And, uh,

35:14

as, as a bonus, you get a good upper body workout, stirring

35:16

that peanut butter when you buy it. We've

35:18

talked about it. Um, you can also get

35:21

no sugar peanut butters that are homogenized enough

35:23

that you don't have to stir them. Um,

35:26

and then, uh, I, I have

35:29

to, I have to default to grape

35:31

grape, grape jelly is, is the

35:33

default J for me. We do

35:37

apologize for my preference in jelly. Look, I'm

35:39

not, I'm not judging. I am judging a

35:41

little bit, but, uh, we do, we, I

35:45

live unfortunately in a smooth peanut butter house. I'm

35:47

a crunchy butter person. Oh, okay. Well, I can

35:49

go either way on that one, but, uh, like

35:52

a little extra tooth in there. Sure. Um, we

35:56

do, Jeff's natural creamy is

35:58

the one that we normally do. And I

36:00

think it has something in there that lets it,

36:02

lets it not require stirring. Interesting. I

36:04

didn't know they were doing natural peanut butter now. Yeah.

36:07

We, we used to be the, the,

36:09

the grease on the top of people.

36:11

Um, uh, and

36:14

the volume of peanut butter sandwiches we make

36:17

made for a while change that. Well,

36:20

Hey, I told you about my trick. You just

36:22

got to rotate it every 24 hours

36:24

for a couple of days before you open it. That

36:26

would mean we have to rotate it. We just,

36:29

I need a machine that rotates it every 24

36:31

hours. There you go. Uh, it has a problem.

36:33

It does have sugar. So I didn't realize that.

36:35

Okay. Um, I think somebody once

36:37

recommended a mechanical paint stirrer to me

36:40

for stirring natural peanut butter. I

36:42

can see that. Uh, which is sure. You should just

36:44

take it. There's a paint shop by your house. You

36:46

should just take it in there and put it on

36:48

a shaker. That's true. Yeah. Just be like, Hey,

36:50

can I borrow this for a minute? And then, yeah,

36:54

that's yeah. I'll consider that. All

36:56

right. Question for fishy J. Uh, what

37:00

is the preferred way to lay out an L

37:02

shaped desk screens in the corner? Everything

37:04

on one side. I, I, we had,

37:08

we had all shaped desks when I was the last time

37:10

I was at CBS or, or for part of that time,

37:13

I know sitting in the Nook. I hate sitting in the corner.

37:15

Never the crotch cannot, I can't, and that's how that that's how

37:17

they had everybody set up when I got there. Like I

37:19

immediately dismantled all of the stuff on the desk that required

37:22

me to sit in the, in the Nook.

37:24

Yeah. Well, it's bad for you. Like it's, you

37:26

don't have the right angle. Like your angles for

37:28

mouse mousing and keyboarding are always going to be

37:31

jacked. Yeah. I didn't even consider the ergonomic implications

37:33

there. Yeah. It's terrible. Like your arms can't extend

37:35

straight out at right angles. Like they're supposed to

37:37

with the corners or with the nopes, land a

37:39

desk like that. No. So yeah, don't, don't do

37:41

that. Pick a side. You got

37:43

to pick a side. I put this up on the long side. And

37:46

then the other side is for crap. I have my, I

37:48

don't have an L shaped desk, but my stuff is lined

37:50

up that way right now because I have a some

37:53

like shelves on the right of my desk that have

37:55

the mixer and all that stuff on them. That

37:58

Sounds fun. That is what we

38:00

want of the innumerable goals I would have to

38:02

fight for. Few. Who's. Into Houses have

38:05

an Lc obsessed. Have.

38:07

Had a space and so it was to desks.

38:09

Why? I will I like so I like to

38:11

sit stand for the mendes can I don't want

38:14

to have a sustained l saved us because it's

38:16

too much them it's like a lotta going up

38:18

and down to but he ah yes the to

38:20

the less essential stuff on the part that doesn't

38:22

filter down. maybe that that's the thing to some

38:24

was is in her that you but the something

38:27

doesn't need wires them like that as less wiring

38:29

or that the wiring is independent of the computer

38:31

and and then or some. Now they're.

38:33

I probably if I had an L. the probably

38:35

put like a small T V on. Earth

38:38

accents the longer part of L. Navy. Like

38:40

alludes like a just a nice flat open

38:43

workspace. You know, like place on role soldering.

38:45

Mountain Dew splattering recent War Iii. So might

38:47

the left side of my desk. I have

38:49

a place like Build Lego do soldering either

38:52

cutting met there to protect the desktop from

38:54

whatever whatever I'm doing. Bomb.

38:56

But yet I'd like you would be nice have a

38:58

bigger space for that and like it that way to

39:01

set up cameras and stuff for it. Now. Ah,

39:05

Okay I haven't either. read this entire you

39:07

bought this one So for you can answer

39:10

I have my rebels and yet differ from

39:12

Peters Victoria. Are you

39:14

solution to get why fi and a camera to

39:16

are sheep shed. Located.

39:18

One hundred and twenty meters from our house.

39:21

I. Am house. We got a fiber connection that

39:23

he Nighthawk router that been adequate for our needs.

39:26

A rollicking for a cheap and stable

39:28

solution. Are. There any good wife like

39:30

centers or or should we get some kind of

39:32

mesh network going. Are there any

39:34

good mess solutions for outdoor use? A big

39:37

plus if the camera is home to compatible.

39:40

So. Hundred twenty meters. As far as

39:42

to be clear I'm like it's not

39:44

normally I would say take an eternal

39:46

cable and run a slit trench and

39:48

then put another ice has point out

39:50

there. Yeah well I was going to

39:52

jokingly say berry and either I cable

39:54

that actually maybe the series answer is

39:56

also buried either kibble. Well so it

39:58

like where are my folks. Their place

40:00

have one hundred and twenty it's it's more

40:02

than that to go from the point where

40:05

the where the cell service. I'm.

40:07

Like that they they had cellular net service

40:09

for a long time and they ran and

40:12

as fiber internet basically over that to sense

40:14

is because he can't do traditional. Odd

40:17

your tyler internet more than a hundred meters My

40:19

Billie Wow, yes I didn't even that he would

40:21

click for me as a straight up over that

40:23

when it first formal either at the Abbey Hindu

40:25

fiber to them V base but you need power

40:27

on one end to the other for that's worth.

40:30

My. Bros fiber is crazy as you

40:32

wish and also you can just get

40:34

cheap fiber on what Amazon these days

40:36

like? There's. Fiber. Yeah, five

40:38

fiber network and cable was not that

40:41

expensive, but it's hilarious to go on

40:43

there and fines tables that are rated

40:45

in terms of kilometers. Oh

40:47

yeah, oh yeah, absolutely not not a you're

40:49

buying it and kilometer school. but what I

40:51

mean as the the signal? the signal integrity

40:54

is rated to go like multiple kilometers. Yeah,

40:56

an end to the dicing about that is

40:58

assuming you're not digging Willy nilly. you can

41:00

literally take a shovel and do a for

41:02

and so you know do it Do cuts

41:04

rightly to do, stop your foot down on

41:07

the shovel and wedge it up for for

41:09

my benches and then jam the the cable

41:11

down there is not. It's not gonna last

41:13

forever. biddle by last long of the you

41:15

don't don't care the. Hundred

41:18

twenty meters. Long way to do that though.

41:20

And he. The

41:22

thing I would probably do if you don't want to dig it.

41:25

Is get what's called a point to point

41:27

wireless bridge. So. Tp link may

41:30

some ubiquity make some. There's a whole bunch of

41:32

really questionable he on Amazon that I don't know

41:34

anything about. Their their

41:36

be be basically need both Ncd this

41:38

you need one ended the house and

41:40

when ended the sheep's head and then

41:42

you'll also need something to prevent access

41:44

point that will provide eternal life I

41:46

at the at the of at the

41:48

shed end as well which ceos just

41:50

a normal mess mess and point or

41:52

or whatever. I'm the edges are

41:54

just a normal I like ubiquity or to

41:57

be like access point note know router. so

42:00

So, the TP-Link and the Ubiquiti ones were

42:02

$65 to $75. The

42:04

TP-Link one that looked good and had 5,000 positive

42:07

ratings was like, is this CPE

42:09

710? They're

42:11

75 bucks each and then your access point will be

42:13

another 50 or 100 bucks on that based on which

42:15

kind you add. These use

42:18

AC and they give you an 867 megabit

42:21

point-to-point connection and they

42:23

do need power. But I think you

42:25

can use PoE and I believe that the TP-Link one

42:27

which is 10 bucks more than the Ubiquiti one came

42:30

with a PoE injector if you don't have a switch

42:32

that has that power of reason which I wouldn't expect

42:34

you to have probably. Do those

42:36

require a line of sight or is that kind

42:38

of point-to-point or is it just like a custom

42:40

kind of shaped antenna like shaped signal? Yeah,

42:42

so my guess is they'll probably go through

42:45

trees, not trunks but like

42:47

leaves. They have big

42:49

like parabolic antennas with a projector

42:51

and they can go several hundred

42:55

meters it looked like. So

42:58

this is just a standard radio signal then?

43:00

Because I have no idea what this is

43:02

called but I've heard of some

43:04

people getting line of sight internet

43:06

access set up. Actually

43:09

I don't know if they're using lasers or what's going on there

43:11

that actually do you have to like point at each other and

43:13

not be blocked by anything? So these

43:15

have to point at each other. Like

43:17

I said, foliage probably blocking is fine but if

43:19

there's ground in between them then it's not going

43:21

to work. So

43:25

these operate at 5GHz, you just

43:27

use normal Wi-Fi, you can get

43:29

a 60GHz connection, Ubiquity makes those,

43:31

they call them building links. The

43:34

idea is you put them on the top of your buildings and aim

43:36

them at each other and those require

43:38

direct line of sight, 60GHz won't penetrate

43:40

stuff but they'll give you like a

43:42

10 gigabit connection between the points. They're

43:45

also $1000 each for the endpoints. So it's

43:47

like... Yeah, that sounds more like what I

43:49

had heard of. Yeah, those are like

43:52

an industrial... They literally

43:54

had them on top of... The

43:56

pictures of them in use was on top of

43:58

big giant high rises on different... campuses

44:00

where they don't have a direct wired

44:02

link to each other basically. So you

44:04

just pick pony, pony piggyback

44:07

off of the wireless.

44:10

Anyway, I

44:12

have to ask, they mentioned the sheep shed. Do you think there

44:14

is that is that just like a it's

44:17

a shed where the sheep live, Brad? Right. But

44:19

you think there are literal sheep involved here or is that

44:21

just like a holdover from an earlier time when sheep were

44:24

involved in the sort of shed? My guess

44:26

is like my sister uses something similar

44:28

to this to do her horse barn.

44:31

So she like it's nice to have cameras

44:33

when you have livestock

44:35

that is having babies. So you

44:37

can go so you can like roll over in

44:40

bed and look at a camera at

44:42

a screen and see if the horse is in

44:44

labor or sheep is in labor and you need

44:46

to get up and walk over. In

44:49

the old days before we had security cameras that were

44:51

cheap, my sister would get up every three hours when

44:53

she was when she was in high school and walk

44:55

over to the barn and look and see if the

44:57

if the mare was falling and if the mare was

44:59

not falling, she'd walk back or sometimes she'd just set

45:01

up a sleeping bag in a cot in the bed.

45:04

But it was looking like it was closed. So I mean,

45:06

you don't want to lose your livestock. Did

45:11

I talk about sheep herding recently on here in the

45:13

context of YouTube or have I not? Wait,

45:16

are you watching sheep herding YouTube? I

45:18

like the best reason I got excited here is that I'm

45:20

on the cusp of falling down a new YouTube rabbit hole.

45:23

Oh, it's good, which all started

45:25

with this was going around on

45:27

Twitter, but it was actually this guy's tick-tock account, but

45:29

he also has a YouTube channel, Sean the Sheepman. S

45:33

E A N Sean. He's a

45:35

New Zealand. No, he's a Scottish sheep farmer.

45:39

What I was actually what I actually was fascinated by was

45:41

the herding dogs that he uses because he's got a bunch

45:43

of I haven't gotten into it too much yet,

45:45

but he's got a bunch of like really exhaustive videos up on

45:47

his YouTube channel that go through all the

45:49

commands that he teaches the dogs and how they teach

45:51

the dogs and at what time and like, like

45:54

watching the dogs work and watching him commands them

45:56

and how happy they look Like

45:59

those herding dogs. Happier than any

46:01

animal I've ever seen. When they are Don hurting.

46:03

Or. And it's it's kind

46:05

of. It's kind of beautiful. watch. We had

46:08

a corgi for a long time for folks

46:10

don't know. and the the there's a place

46:12

up in Sonoma that you could take hurting

46:14

dogs and let them. Like let

46:17

them go out with dogs and know how to

46:19

heard and when or or core he's hurting those

46:21

parties are hurting.as if did not know that yeah

46:23

there there are sheep hurting and and tower horses

46:25

and we took her back east she me really

46:28

wanted to go try to heard the horses which

46:30

would have resulted in are being killed probably steaks

46:32

I'm to but I'd be I'd like to take

46:34

out than and they'll let you heard the sheep

46:37

with the other dogs and know how to heard

46:39

teach them up you teach them basic you're hurting

46:41

of as it's It's a I wish we'd done

46:43

it's when we never we didn't know that was

46:45

used on into. Abruptly. Unfortunately,

46:50

Our eyes. Like.

46:53

Question here is to radical bomb

46:55

rude and. You

46:57

brought up sixteen year old I phones or even

46:59

a sideline business of sixteen phones recently. I

47:02

live in central Wyoming where the nearest

47:04

Apple Store is seven hours away by

47:06

car Hoof! Also, I do a side

47:08

business fixing i phones and some I

47:10

pads. I would probably decline replacing

47:12

the battery and browse I've had as the battery

47:15

sucked to remove and I would be very nervous

47:17

about breaking the screen as I removed as. And

47:20

I was. I was replacing a broken screen. Other

47:22

swapping the battery while I'm in there might be worth

47:24

doing. Or every time I get a new screen

47:27

it comes with a new seal. So. They should

47:29

Always leaves me with a fresh water per

47:31

seal. I don't six Android devices as the

47:33

parts are more expensive and they take a

47:35

lot longer to fix. A

47:37

future is not any other aspects of doing a

47:39

sideline phone repair business. Feel free to ask! You.

47:42

The Apple Apple has done him. With

47:44

the subs have suffered gluing the batteries into

47:46

the I pads and gluing the screens on

47:48

did I pads. ah but they've They've done

47:50

a better job of making the phone screens

47:52

replaceable. It's a it's a like I had

47:54

to fix on for somebody if you're few

47:56

months ago and was. Surprisingly.

47:59

Fast. The graphical. That's cool

48:01

for here. I'm. On. The

48:03

flip side of that: I somehow, in my

48:05

YouTube recommendations recently, have come up a lot

48:07

of videos of sides, mostly one channel. Justifiably

48:10

ranting about the way that modern mack books

48:12

are designed specifically with the memory and and

48:14

and by actually the worst part is the

48:16

Ssd be slaughtered to the main board. Because.

48:19

I can leave a never thought about those when I bought a modern

48:21

Macbook. Like. Ssds have a finite

48:23

lifespans, right? There are. When. A

48:26

they're all when we're out, eventually when they then rinse you in

48:28

hospital. So they're a bunch of other things that can kill an

48:30

Ssd as well. And. Then you've just got a

48:32

brick, Have a laptop because it has no viable

48:34

storage. Honest. And. Also

48:37

getting that storage out of their a third

48:39

what you see any the like safe for

48:41

research that it's dead. This you have like

48:43

since debate on there is also a nightmare

48:45

like some I don't know that it's to

48:47

sensible with a solder. The storage like this

48:49

is very disposable storage directly onto those things.

48:52

I'd see easier to put the mack books

48:54

at least with the intel was useful for them

48:57

in a mode that led you do like

48:59

as a c stuff to them. Even.

49:01

When they weren't working otherwise like he led to the

49:03

plug them in and they showed up as a us

49:05

be device or something I can't remember that weren't. I.

49:08

It's stupid. Now, like.

49:10

I I, I don't. Get. His

49:12

of. Distinctly consumer

49:14

unfriendly choice to do that.

49:17

Now. It basically means that instead of

49:19

if you have sensitive data on a device

49:21

and set of being able to just wipe

49:23

it and pull the hard to the Ssd

49:25

and shred the Ssd, you have to shred

49:27

the whole motherboard for the Mac book. That

49:29

is feel stupid So buffeting I just saw

49:31

come up recently was like some some some

49:33

he wastes are like Mack recycling place had

49:35

just destroyed the motherboards and like seventy something

49:38

was tried stack of inoperable Mack books because

49:40

it was easier to just break the motherboard

49:42

than deal with all the solder on parts.

49:45

Yet it's terrible. terrible everything was born. Spend

49:47

too much time on mothers' the other thing

49:49

I just for Tottenham and and remembered. His.

49:52

that's. They. Page the Motorbike, O

49:54

S and these Mack Books pages to

49:57

discs constantly. Because. Was a Caesar so

49:59

fast. They're actually. Like an appreciable fraction of the

50:01

speed of main memory while and they said slightly

50:03

ship small memory concerns are no, as I'm at

50:05

all as a that's exactly of the chandeliers. Much

50:07

testing and determined that if you're at sixteen gig

50:10

or above of of system memory, you're fine because

50:12

you're. Rarely. Unless you're running What kind

50:14

of he owns? Probably. Not going

50:16

to page to this much at sixteen gig are

50:18

more, but for the baseline a gigabyte configuration. Like.

50:21

Your paging to disk constantly just haven't like a bunch

50:23

chrome tabs open. And. With that as you're

50:25

saying and that eats up your the right under its on

50:27

your ssd very fast. Yeah. It's

50:29

funny because like you would see at my

50:31

age as a season, my windows machine. The.

50:34

But my stream machine which is now five

50:36

years old and has had the same as

50:38

the Cia the entire time, is it like

50:40

ninety five percent, right? And or and still?

50:43

Yeah. Yes and in long you yeah

50:45

you'd hardly month he hardly use right

50:47

under and for the most for most

50:49

use cases so I'm I'm curious what

50:51

the i was salads and genus mac

50:53

book which is about a year and

50:55

a half old now. Because. I think

50:57

she is in a Keurig hair. And.

50:59

I'm curious what though when her ssc right

51:02

and are insisting. That

51:04

would be interesting to hear. Hassle is

51:06

armed. See.

51:09

The Henri: The Shacks Magoo question

51:11

about Macintoshes. Malawi. So that.

51:14

Ah, By. The way I was

51:16

at the Smithsonian last weekend randomly through which

51:18

one. Ah see I mostly.i

51:20

did American history mostly natural history

51:22

was like way to mobbed was

51:24

people. As all of it's often

51:26

four. Messages. Really good though. I

51:28

yes it was fantastic. I couldn't I did it didn't get

51:31

it air and space color doing a bunch of construction

51:33

than they're limiting the number of people in there. Are

51:35

there always letting them are familiar with a

51:38

lot during construction but it really is very

51:40

good. Ah so I'm I'm going to do

51:42

errands based like songs but if Dallas is

51:44

to had the dolls extension to and see

51:46

the space shuttle to. Because it's

51:48

A and you the I think you'd take Metro

51:50

out there now even get off the took a

51:52

cab or anything. Install a car point ma'am it's

51:54

use Dc Metro is very nice by always isn't

51:56

It isn't very functional liquid so. We.

51:58

talked about this and the discord into

58:00

a corner and it'll activate those. Just like if you

58:02

have the gestures on the trackpad, you can also. I

58:05

used a thing called Better Touch Tool, which is a

58:07

little like $5 utility for a long time

58:09

that lets you bind keyboard shortcuts and mission control

58:12

stuff to like mouse buttons as well. A

58:15

lot of that stuff is less useful if you're on a

58:17

real if you're on an actual real monitor and not on

58:19

like a 12 inch screen. Yeah, yeah. But

58:22

but yeah. And then the other thing is there's

58:25

a lot of there's a really robust ecosystem

58:28

of developers who build like like

58:30

$5 apps, right? $5

58:33

tools that that significantly enhance

58:35

workflows and make things easier

58:37

to use. And it's

58:39

and it's worth kind of investigating this. Yes.

58:43

Let's see here. So a

58:45

few more before we go. Question

58:50

from Hunter. Google

58:53

is once again doing what it does best, killing

58:55

perfectly good services and is shutting down

58:57

Google podcasts in April. In

59:00

favor of merging it into the YouTube music app. I

59:03

absolutely hate this. Do you have

59:05

any recommendations for a podcast app or service

59:07

that isn't Apple podcasts? So

59:09

OK, two things. One this over the

59:11

holidays, I took the time and made

59:13

all of the tech pods available on

59:15

YouTube now. So we have a Brad

59:17

and Will Tech Pod. The

59:20

YouTube channel is Brad and Will

59:22

made a tech pod and all

59:24

of the back episodes should be

59:27

available there. You should be able to subscribe to it and

59:29

YouTube music just like every other podcast. And

59:31

it's linked off of techpod.content.town if you can't

59:34

find it on YouTube proper. So Android

59:36

users are not hosed when they kill Google

59:38

podcasts in April. So

59:42

the the answer is downcast

59:44

and pocket casts are both quite good. I've

59:47

used them both of them on iOS at different times.

59:50

I don't know what people's preferred

59:52

apps are. I think both

59:54

of them have a small fee. They're not but they're

59:56

not necessarily an annual. Although

1:00:00

you do, I think downcast, sorry,

1:00:02

pocket cast has additional features you

1:00:04

get if you pay for it. Pocket cast is

1:00:07

a weird lineage. It was a like independently developed

1:00:09

thing and then got bought by a couple of

1:00:11

people and ended up at NPR for a while

1:00:13

for weird reasons and then has been bought by

1:00:15

somebody else now. They

1:00:18

both seem like they're fine businesses and

1:00:22

the apps have both been good and they sync

1:00:24

across multiple platforms. So you can buy pocket casts

1:00:26

on your Windows machine or your Mac and

1:00:29

your Android devices and

1:00:31

your playlists and your

1:00:33

sync play positions and all that stuff will

1:00:35

sync across those devices which is nice. I

1:00:39

have not used it heavily and I believe it's Apple only

1:00:41

but I also like Overcast pretty well. Overcast

1:00:43

is Apple only. Yeah, it is. It's

1:00:46

made by Marco Arment, formerly

1:00:48

of Tumblr. That's what

1:00:50

I use on my phone. I

1:00:53

mostly use it to get podcasts onto the

1:00:55

watch because Apple makes that a nightmare to

1:00:57

do. There's a pain in the ass. But

1:01:00

if you're on Apple only, I think that one's pretty good too. The

1:01:06

last part of this is yeah, Google

1:01:09

Kill stuff that's good. It sucks. I'm

1:01:11

sorry. Yes. Chip

1:01:15

Shirley asks, how did the term

1:01:17

uplift come to replace improvements when

1:01:19

discussing hardware performance improvements? I've

1:01:22

never heard this before. Really? No. The

1:01:25

first place I explicitly remember the first place seeing I saw

1:01:27

this was when I want to say it was in CPUs.

1:01:29

It was in CPU reviews and I

1:01:31

want to say it was when Zen 3 came out, the

1:01:33

Ryzen 5000 chips which

1:01:36

may have originated with AMD now that I think about it. I

1:01:38

saw it in reviews but I bet I wouldn't

1:01:40

be shocked if that language actually came

1:01:42

out of like AMD marketing or something. It was always

1:01:44

in the context of like 12% IPC

1:01:48

uplift this generation IPC instruction per

1:01:50

clock. I think it's just a fancier

1:01:53

way. I

1:01:56

think that's a good thing actually when you mention it.

1:02:00

It just, it just, it just sounds fancy. I think

1:02:02

I don't know. Yeah. I mean, the

1:02:05

problem, so the general problem is

1:02:07

that sometimes people mean performance difference

1:02:09

and sometimes people mean percent increase

1:02:12

and those are two different numbers often. Um,

1:02:15

so yeah, I don't, I don't know. This,

1:02:18

this is, well

1:02:20

the language around all of this stuff is often weird. Yes.

1:02:24

Uh, do you want to do this one? You've highlighted here. Can

1:02:26

we do that one? I have thoughts

1:02:28

about this. I want to talk, I'm going to have to talk to Vinny about it.

1:02:31

Okay. All right. This is from Rabbit Oyster. Uh, Vinny

1:02:34

has discussed his interest in welding and his ultimate decision

1:02:36

not to get involved with it because as he described

1:02:39

it, it's a hobby that demands

1:02:41

attention to the exclusion of other involved hobbies,

1:02:44

such as 3d printing or woodworking. Do

1:02:47

either of you have an identity

1:02:49

defining hobby and for will does a

1:02:51

laser cutter demand as much time and attention as

1:02:53

3d printing? So, okay, first off,

1:02:55

the laser cutter is at least the one that I

1:02:57

have. Um, I have a glow forge. If

1:03:00

people are going to buy a glow forge, let me know cause I

1:03:02

have a code that you can use to get a discount. Um,

1:03:06

but it, it, uh, it

1:03:09

does not seem to have the kind of

1:03:11

disused degradation that a lot of other

1:03:14

tools, including like PCs have. Like if

1:03:16

I use it every day for a

1:03:18

month and then turn it off for two months and

1:03:20

turn it back on, there's nothing janky or weird about

1:03:22

it. It just turns back on and it's fine. Yeah.

1:03:25

Um, I think part of that is that they did

1:03:27

a pretty good job engineering it to work in that

1:03:29

kind of case. Cause that's how a lot of people

1:03:31

use that kind of tool. Yeah. I would say that

1:03:34

welding is absolutely not the kind of hobby that requires,

1:03:36

uh, the kind of skill that requires

1:03:38

exclusion of other, other time.

1:03:40

Have you done it? Yeah. When

1:03:43

I asked Jamie and Adam, when

1:03:45

we started testing, I was like, Hey, I want to learn how to weld. What

1:03:47

would you try to go take a class or something? Jamie

1:03:49

spent five minutes with me with a MIG welder

1:03:51

and a pair of goggles and was like, look,

1:03:54

basically this is just a hot glue gun for

1:03:56

metal. Here's what

1:03:58

you need to know. And

1:04:01

I want to hang out with that dude. There's

1:04:04

pros and cons to that. Okay, fair.

1:04:07

But yeah, so MIG welding, we did a video

1:04:09

series that was poorly

1:04:11

received by the YouTube populace. But

1:04:16

if you spend 10 hours, if you buy a $200 MIG

1:04:19

welder from Harbor Freight, it's

1:04:21

not going to last very long probably, but you're

1:04:24

not going to electrocute yourself. Well, maybe don't, maybe

1:04:26

buy a used $200 MIG welder, not one from

1:04:28

Harbor Freight. The

1:04:32

MIG welder basically has a gun

1:04:34

that feeds the metal that gets

1:04:36

welded, that

1:04:39

becomes the weld through the middle of this

1:04:41

thing. It has a little motor that pushes

1:04:43

a wire through and hits the electricity between

1:04:45

the edge of the MIG and

1:04:47

the thing and it jumps dark. You don't have to

1:04:50

understand anything about how it works. You

1:04:52

need to know that you shouldn't look at it with your naked eyes.

1:04:54

You need to have everything grounded properly so you

1:04:56

don't electrocute yourself. But

1:04:59

it's not, it's

1:05:01

difficult to do well like many, many things, but

1:05:03

you can learn the basics in about two hours and

1:05:06

then get reasonably okay at it in about

1:05:09

five or 10. And then you'll need an

1:05:11

ankle grinder or something to make your welds not look like

1:05:13

complete shit when you're done. So, and

1:05:18

if you're worried about it, you can take a

1:05:20

MIG welding class at your adult extension classes, pretty

1:05:23

much any, in any most community centers.

1:05:26

And then it's a, it is incredibly nice

1:05:29

to be able to hot glue gun metal to other

1:05:31

metal. Sure. I can see that being

1:05:34

quite useful. Quite useful. I

1:05:37

don't have a good answer to this question because all of my

1:05:39

hobbies are now my work. Yeah,

1:05:42

I don't, I don't have, I've never had a

1:05:44

hobby that's exclusionary for everything else either. Sure. Like

1:05:47

from video games to like the

1:05:50

NASA and open source stuff and like everything that I

1:05:52

would normally be doing. My spare time has now become

1:05:54

my work. So I don't

1:05:56

have a good answer here. I

1:05:59

do have another good. question here though that

1:06:02

follows on from the bonding metal to other

1:06:04

metal thing. Yeah let's have it. Question

1:06:06

from Fischie J. Can you

1:06:09

replace a micro USB power port soldered

1:06:11

onto a PCB with a USB-C port?

1:06:14

I don't think so but did you look

1:06:16

this up? I did not. I don't see

1:06:18

why not. Okay like first of all assuming

1:06:21

let's assume perfect soldering skills

1:06:23

here like let's assume execution is flawless

1:06:25

here. I would I

1:06:27

thought they were wiring compatible is that not the

1:06:29

case. I don't think the pinouts are

1:06:31

the same for the for the port side but I

1:06:33

don't know for sure. Sorry

1:06:35

I assumed you looked this up so I didn't

1:06:37

read it. No I didn't. I'm basing this on

1:06:39

loose experience but like you know there are USB

1:06:42

2 USB-C cables for example so those

1:06:44

clearly have to be wired to

1:06:46

accommodate like I've got USB-A. Do

1:06:49

you know what I'm saying? I've got cables that

1:06:51

are USB-A on one end and C on the

1:06:53

other but they are electrically

1:06:55

USB 2 cables 2.0 so

1:06:58

I assume that that's what makes me assume

1:07:00

that the like at least electricity

1:07:03

they should be compatible if you if you just

1:07:05

match the wiring correctly. So

1:07:07

apparently you can buy micro USB

1:07:09

ports for

1:07:11

PCBs that are pin compatible with

1:07:14

USB 2 micro USBs. Okay. So

1:07:16

they won't be USB obviously you're

1:07:18

not going to get a USB

1:07:20

3 or USB you

1:07:22

know 3.2 or whatever speed

1:07:25

out of it but you can can

1:07:27

buy and here here

1:07:29

they're not even asking about data this is just for

1:07:31

power here for electricity in this

1:07:34

question. Yeah I worry about doing some of

1:07:36

that stuff because you can end up in

1:07:38

a situation where where what

1:07:44

are the nice things about having the connectors

1:07:46

like I like this is a

1:07:48

thing that maybe you can do I don't it

1:07:50

might not be a good idea because you're gonna end

1:07:52

up in a situation where the connector doesn't behave in

1:07:55

a way that people expect it to if anyone but

1:07:57

you ever using it. That's ultimately what

1:07:59

I was going to say. I'm guessing this

1:08:01

might theoretically be possible, but I don't think

1:08:03

that means you should do it necessarily. So,

1:08:05

yeah. Like,

1:08:08

I have an old keyboard that the

1:08:11

USB connector is janky on, I was going to replace

1:08:13

it, and I kind of looked at this and then

1:08:15

decided not to do anything with it. The

1:08:19

USB-C by default

1:08:22

connector is like 22 pins and they're really

1:08:24

small, and they're for

1:08:27

USB-C 3.0 and 3.2, it's a hard solder. But

1:08:35

there are market solutions for

1:08:38

micro USB to USB-C. You

1:08:42

have to make sure that the CC resistors

1:08:44

are right, because if you don't do the

1:08:46

CC1, CC2 pin pull-downs, then you

1:08:48

won't be able to draw high power from your

1:08:51

device. And that's... Yeah. Anyway.

1:08:53

Yeah. I'm not to tackle

1:08:55

maybe too much, but I identify with the urge because

1:08:58

I'm also getting to the point where if I see

1:09:00

micro USB on something, I feel annoyed. Yeah.

1:09:04

The making a USB-C,

1:09:08

micro USB to USB-C data, there's

1:09:11

a lot to that, I'm going to say.

1:09:18

If you have to ask, you probably shouldn't try to do it.

1:09:20

Is the answer to that question? Yes. And

1:09:22

then I get into it, I received a Christmas gift where this was an

1:09:24

issue where old USB connector

1:09:28

on the gifts does not match new connector that

1:09:30

I have already. And that's... We're

1:09:32

in the annoying part of the USB transition where

1:09:34

some stuff that's still being sold is not going

1:09:37

to line up with things that you have now. Well,

1:09:40

I was going to say the other way to solve

1:09:42

this problem, and it's not as elegant, is just to

1:09:44

buy the magnetic cables

1:09:47

for these devices that have micro

1:09:50

USB connectors that you jam in and leave like the

1:09:52

little magnet stump hanging out and just hook the magnet

1:09:54

up to the cable rather than the... Or

1:09:59

get a... in low profile adapter because you they sell those

1:10:01

too. They have to go out more. Yeah.

1:10:05

Let's see. All right.

1:10:07

One more question here. Do you want to do the Z

1:10:09

one? Yes. Okay. That's

1:10:13

the one. We did research. ZXED asks,

1:10:16

when I was a kid, I remember the bit width of

1:10:18

CPUs being a huge deal delineating

1:10:20

distinct 8, 16, 32 and 64 bit areas of computing.

1:10:25

Do you think 128 bit computers are going to be

1:10:28

a thing or heavily plateaued at 64 bit for

1:10:30

the foreseeable future? So

1:10:33

I think the latter probably in

1:10:35

our lifetimes. Yeah.

1:10:37

The reason the bit delineations went up was

1:10:40

to add more addressable

1:10:42

memory. With

1:10:48

8 bit processors like the 8086, they

1:10:50

had a 20 bit addressable memory bus

1:10:53

and could they could hit

1:10:55

one megabyte of RAM. Whoa. Yeah.

1:10:58

Think about it. Whoa. With the

1:11:00

386, we went up to 32 bits, which gave

1:11:02

you access to four. Well, actually, that

1:11:05

might not be true with the 386, but definitely

1:11:07

the fifth gen. By the fourth and fifth gen,

1:11:09

we were seeing 32 bit

1:11:11

addressable spaces, which gave you access to four gigabytes

1:11:14

of RAM, which was a crazy amount back in

1:11:16

like 1994 when we had four 16

1:11:18

megabyte computers, right?

1:11:24

These days, we're shipping machines with 32 gigabytes of RAM, 64

1:11:27

gigabytes of RAM regularly

1:11:29

all the way up to 128, 256 for workstations. But

1:11:34

those 64 bit addressable space is 18 quintillion bytes, which is 18 exabytes

1:11:36

of RAM, basically.

1:11:43

We're probably fine at 64 bit for a while. I

1:11:46

think you're right. Is it a TLDR? I think

1:11:48

you're probably right. I hear

1:11:50

an interesting illustration of this problem I have

1:11:53

seen in the Raspberry Pi community where

1:11:55

the Raspberry Pi people that make Raspberry Pi OS,

1:11:57

which is based on Debian, they were

1:11:59

really. really resistant to putting out a 64-bit version of

1:12:01

Raspberry Pi OS for a long time, I think because

1:12:03

I just didn't want to support multiple versions of the

1:12:05

OS. And

1:12:08

the reason people were starting to get mad about that

1:12:10

is because their pies ship with up to 8 gigabytes

1:12:12

now. And there's

1:12:14

some stuff you might run on a pie like certain

1:12:16

database things or something that actually need more than 4

1:12:18

gigabytes of memory for that one process.

1:12:21

And people were getting mad because the 32-bit version of

1:12:23

the OS could not address more than 4

1:12:27

gigabytes per process, I believe, is the problem.

1:12:29

Yeah, or yeah, so like that actually pushed

1:12:31

them into doing that. There

1:12:35

may be multiple other places where this matters, but another

1:12:37

place that matters is the word size that the CPU

1:12:39

can process. Like a word is basically a unit of

1:12:41

data. So

1:12:44

basically you can crunch more,

1:12:47

not more, but you can crunch larger

1:12:49

individual discrete pieces of data, like

1:12:51

per, I guess, clock cycle on CPUs that have

1:12:54

higher bit registers,

1:12:56

like data registers. And the

1:12:58

example I looked up was like on a, let

1:13:02

me think this through, like so on a

1:13:04

16-bit, if you were trying

1:13:07

to do an operation on a 24-bit word on

1:13:09

a 16-bit CPU, you basically have to slice that up

1:13:12

if I understood correctly. Yeah, it becomes a two

1:13:14

operations, so maybe three because you might have to

1:13:16

combine them and combine them and stuff like that.

1:13:18

Exactly, so like moving to a 32-bit CPU, you

1:13:21

could do all of that in one operation. Yeah,

1:13:24

but with the 64, like

1:13:26

also there's stuff that we do to make that, to accelerate

1:13:28

that stuff on modern CPUs, so it's less of an issue

1:13:30

now than it was back then. One

1:13:36

of the things I read as I was looking up the answers to this question

1:13:38

is that we could have

1:13:40

just done like 36-bit address of

1:13:42

the space for memory on the

1:13:44

AMD 64 compatible computers,

1:13:48

but it didn't, like the number, it's not as

1:13:51

good a number for computers as 64-bit,

1:13:54

so anyway, here we are. Computers

1:13:57

like powers of two, it turns out. Can we do one more

1:13:59

real quick? Sure. Did the Hendub was under the system a

1:14:01

little bit from there? Yes. Sure.

1:14:05

All right, last question. Hendubs, what's

1:14:07

your screen protector strategy? How big is too big?

1:14:09

Do you go tempered glass, or are the newer

1:14:11

film type ones more tempting? I

1:14:14

love the screen protector. Really?

1:14:16

So I don't do cases,

1:14:19

which is that I put my phone

1:14:21

directly in my pocket, and sometimes there's stuff

1:14:23

in there. I also do, I like

1:14:25

to be able to put it face down on the table so

1:14:28

that I'm not looking at it obsessively,

1:14:30

because I have poor self-control sometimes. And

1:14:33

I hate micro scratches. Same.

1:14:37

So I hate going out in the sun and seeing all

1:14:39

those tiny little scratches on the screen of the phone. So

1:14:42

I buy cheap $8 tempered glass screen protectors

1:14:44

from Amazon. I've gotten really good at putting

1:14:46

them on. The trick is

1:14:48

to take a really hot, steamy shower and then put them

1:14:50

on immediately after that, because the steam pulls all the dust

1:14:53

from the air. Yeah.

1:14:56

But I highly recommend them. And then as soon as I

1:14:58

go outside and I see bad scratches, I'm getting ready to

1:15:00

replace one on my phone now, because I

1:15:02

at some point must have set it down on sand or

1:15:04

something. But

1:15:07

yeah, I can just make the scratches go

1:15:09

away, which makes me happy. That's fair.

1:15:12

I mean, I don't like micro scratches, but apparently I

1:15:14

don't like them as much as you. I don't not

1:15:16

like them as much as you, because I see them

1:15:19

in the sun and they irk me, but then I'm

1:15:21

like, whatever, and forget about it

1:15:23

so I don't use screen protectors on mine. At

1:15:27

least with iPhones, I'm sure high end Android is the

1:15:29

same, like the materials, the

1:15:31

glass science has gotten good enough that they are

1:15:33

a lot more scratch resistant than they used to

1:15:35

be. They're better. If I used

1:15:37

a case, I would be less, when

1:15:40

I used to use a case on the phone and the case extended

1:15:42

out beyond the edge of the phone so when you

1:15:45

put it down on the face side, it's not actually

1:15:47

resting on the glass. Sure. It was a little bit

1:15:49

of a different situation. Yeah. The other

1:15:51

thing is on the iPad,

1:15:53

I do a paper

1:15:55

surface screen protector. It

1:15:58

adds a little bit of a matte finish to the iPhone. iPad, but

1:16:00

when I'm using the pencil on it, it feels like I'm actually

1:16:03

writing on paper with a real

1:16:05

writing implement, whether it's a pen or a pencil or

1:16:07

whatever. And I quite like

1:16:09

that. Sounds good. Yeah. It

1:16:11

was kind of expensive and a real pain in the ass compared to the

1:16:13

glass one. Compared to the glass ones. Yeah.

1:16:17

The only thing I religiously use a screen

1:16:19

protector on is the Nintendo Switch because it

1:16:21

goes in the Nintendo Saw Fit to design

1:16:23

the Switch to

1:16:25

go in the dock such that the plastic

1:16:27

screen protector rubs directly up flush against hard

1:16:30

plastic in the dock. They

1:16:32

fixed that with the OLEDs. Did they?

1:16:34

Yeah. So there's a padded...the

1:16:36

dock is a little bit wider and it

1:16:38

has a padded interface on the edges. Oh

1:16:40

wow. Good for them. I've

1:16:42

never seen an OLED in person. I didn't know they had changed

1:16:45

that because I started to say I wonder what if anything

1:16:47

they're going to change about the dock to sign in a

1:16:49

Switch 2 for example. The OLED dock also has Ethernet built

1:16:51

in which is nice. Yes. Yes.

1:16:54

I use an adapter for that so it is possible but it's nice to have

1:16:56

that just there. Yeah. I'm curious if they go

1:16:58

to some kind of somewhat

1:17:00

different dock design with the next Switch or

1:17:02

not. I assume they're going to keep

1:17:05

the same basic form factor because it's been a

1:17:07

pretty successful move for them, right? Analysts

1:17:09

are reporting that they will but also like I mean

1:17:11

like it would be perhaps the

1:17:13

worst business malpractice in history to

1:17:15

abandon the gimmicks that they have.

1:17:17

That is like...I mean come

1:17:19

on. Yeah. It's good.

1:17:22

It works. Yes. So

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