0:00

I have been thinking I sit too close because

0:02

because I did a lot of breathing in there

0:04

as well. I think a lot of the habits

0:06

that we established in early whiskey and GameSpot and

0:08

maximum PC days probably are bad

0:10

when you have good microphones. Because we were

0:12

using those shitty audio technicas at whiskey and

0:15

those things you did have to get right up on the 2020s

0:18

or 2030s. God that

0:20

was so long ago. Were those table mics? Those were not

0:22

headsets. Those are the ones you talk into the side on.

0:25

I have no memory of that. So I

0:27

have one right here. It's

0:30

my spare. It's this one. Oh,

0:33

I don't think we use those. Yeah, we use

0:35

them in the basement. Did we? We use them

0:37

in the basement in the podcast room in the

0:39

second basement. In the podcast studio? Yeah, you guys,

0:41

we didn't, you guys got the- I think we

0:43

did. Does this, we start? Maybe we did.

0:45

I don't know. The

0:48

recording up to now has not had cold open life to

0:50

it, but now we're on. Yeah.

0:52

Hi. Yeah. So in

0:55

the basement in Sal Solito, you guys

0:57

had an M audio interface. You had to plug

0:59

your Mac into. It was

1:01

really dependent on CPU performance. It was super

1:03

important that you not do anything else on

1:05

that computer while you're recording. Wow. And

1:08

into it, we plugged a table full of Audio

1:10

Technica AT 2020s or 2030s that are like, they're

1:14

pretty good. They're like, they're firmly in the

1:16

great $100, $150 starter mic category for me. Those

1:20

are startup mics. Yeah. They're like,

1:22

hey, we want to get microphones, but we

1:24

don't want to spend $4,000 on them. And

1:28

we need like six and also they're pretty

1:30

indestructible. So I have a picture here. If

1:32

you want to see it, it's a bit

1:35

grim. Oh no.

1:37

The reason you've got to find it so fast is, is

1:39

the photo I put on the story when Ryan passed. Oh

1:42

no. Because I knew it was him sitting in

1:44

that studio in that basement and on the front

1:46

street with the microphone. You

1:48

can tell it's in the front street because we were

1:50

serious about safety. There's a fire extinguisher right behind him.

1:52

That's right. That's right. Man, did we have those mics

1:55

mounted upside down? Yeah. We hung them upside down. I

1:58

don't know why we did that, but that was how you

2:00

guys. and set it up. Probably a reason. I think it

2:02

was that it's easier to, it was easier to get the

2:04

right angle on them. So you talk into the front of

2:06

those, not the top. And in order

2:08

to get the angle with the table mounts we were

2:10

using that had no shocks on them, you

2:13

had to, you had to tilt it. Like

2:15

you had no throw on the tilt. If

2:17

you, if you didn't have it upside down. That's

2:20

right. We had to be careful about bumping the

2:22

table. Those things. Well, yeah. Cause it was the,

2:24

I went to get that table at IKEA one day

2:27

and it was literally the

2:30

cheapest table that we could get. It's

2:32

the unfinished pine kids play

2:34

table or something. Maybe I can't remember what it

2:36

is, but it was the wobbliest shit I've ever

2:38

seen. Rickety to the point that it felt like it

2:40

was going to collapse at any moment. And it's

2:43

also from the days when Mike boom

2:46

arms were still really expensive. Like

2:48

the, you could basically could only

2:50

get road, the PSA 100 or

2:52

whatever the $100 one PSA one. Yeah.

2:56

And, uh, we didn't have places

2:58

to mount them all and jam as many people as we needed

3:00

to fit into that room. And also

3:02

they cost as much as the microphones.

3:04

We definitely weren't spending on money on that. So I

3:06

think we went and got a bunch of kick drum

3:09

mounts. Is that what those are?

3:11

I think that that's what those are. And they're like

3:13

$18 each and guitar

3:15

center musicians friend or something.

3:18

And, uh, like as long as nobody bumped the table

3:20

or touched anything, then it didn't make any noise. But

3:22

as soon as anybody like whacked the table with their

3:24

leg or something, it would like every bike would rattle

3:27

and yet to cut that out. Sounds

3:29

like life at a start at a media startup

3:31

in 2010. It's crazy to think how much more,

3:33

I mean, we talk about this all the time,

3:35

but how much more democratized this stuff has become

3:37

just in the last decade plus in terms of

3:39

mic stands and microphones themselves and audio interfaces and

3:41

everything. Yeah. The audio interface is the one that

3:43

blows me away because back then to get

3:46

a decent audio interface, you had to spend like

3:48

the M audio was really expensive and it was

3:50

really not good. The, the,

3:52

like your average your

3:54

average scarlet or a focus, right? Scarlet or Motu

3:56

or something at this point is going to be

3:59

so much better. and have a

4:01

buttload of inputs and just like, yeah.

4:03

And the fact that everything has SSDs

4:05

now instead of hard drives also is

4:08

a fundamentally, like back then you could,

4:10

if you had, if you tried to

4:12

record five track, like we could

4:14

record the tested podcast as individual tracks on

4:16

that M audio, but I think if

4:18

you guys did that with the Bombcast with four people

4:20

or more, it would choke out the

4:22

hard drive eventually and you just would, it would

4:25

just, the recording would get laggy and bad. I

4:27

think that is right. I think I feel like I

4:29

want to say when we went back to CBS and

4:31

got in their fancy recording studio, like different

4:34

tracks on different mics or vice versa, was

4:36

like a huge revelation. It's like, oh, we

4:38

can record each mic on his own now. Being

4:41

able to record each one independently, it turns

4:43

out very convenient. But,

4:45

and then after that we got tested,

4:48

we got one of

4:50

those H4s, the like

4:52

the portable audio recorder that could do

4:54

four tracks independently on an SD card,

4:58

and we just used that for

5:00

everything at that point because it was really easy and

5:02

I get a fast SD card reader for

5:05

my laptop and suck those files straight in.

5:07

I have a revelation for

5:09

you. Yes, hello. Technology over

5:12

time, it gets better. Microphones

5:14

still really, like those microphones you

5:17

all had at CBS still cost the same thing that

5:19

they did now. The microphone is maybe the one exception

5:21

there because the RE20 that I'm using has been

5:23

the exact same since like the sixties. Yeah,

5:27

and it gets a little more expensive as the cost of making

5:29

it goes up, I guess, probably. It used to cost like $18

5:31

and now it's 600. Yeah.

5:34

Oh, this is like 400, 450, I think. Yeah,

5:36

I feel like you can get those in the 400, 400

5:39

to 500 range pretty consistently. It's a hell of

5:41

a mic and it's beige, which I like. That's

5:43

right. They have a black one now, like

5:46

they belatedly like just in the last few years rolled

5:48

out a black one for streamers, but I defiantly

5:51

made sure to get the beige mic.

5:53

Only weirdo posers would have a black

5:56

RE20. Oh,

5:59

oh, oh, oh. Welcome

6:26

to Brad and Will Made a Checkpod. I'm Will. I'm

6:29

Brad. I'm here with this picture of Ryan,

6:31

sitting here looking at me. Cause it's just gonna bum

6:33

me out. Yeah, I'm kinda bummed. Instead, I'm gonna move

6:35

to the happiest thing on earth, this document full of

6:37

questions. Hold on, can I can I can

6:40

I can I derail the podcast for a second?

6:42

Go for it. Hey, something came up

6:44

to a day that's from this time period that I think

6:46

is fun. That's that's cool. But also I would say I

6:49

don't think you can derail a podcast because anything else you

6:51

say in the course of derailing it is just more podcasts

6:53

still podcast yet. So I have been playing a lot of

6:55

Helldivers as I think probably a lot of people have lately, and

6:58

it got me thinking because I realized I

7:00

was like a lot of the stuff that

7:02

makes Helldivers great was also in magica

7:05

in like 2011 when that came out. Oh,

7:07

yes, I had forgotten about that until I started

7:09

playing Helldivers again. But if you go back and

7:12

look at magica, like it's kind of all there.

7:14

Well, so a I kind of want to go

7:16

back and play magica, but I went back and

7:18

watched the quick look that you guys did of

7:20

magica back when you knew nothing about

7:22

the game and were like, this is a weird

7:24

ass game and like there's a bazillion

7:26

ways to kill yourself in it. And

7:29

it was it was a it was a very fun quick

7:31

look to go back and watch. It's also was from a

7:33

kinder gentler time. Quick looks were

7:35

a little different back then. Yes, yes. Um,

7:37

but I got to the end and

7:40

I had forgotten completely that apparently my corn and

7:42

I had been playing that a lot because you

7:44

gave us a shout out at the end of

7:46

it. Really giving you hot strats about how to

7:48

do stupid shit and

7:51

magica and I was like, Oh, that's sweet. I

7:53

have no recollection of that. That sounds like you don't. I

7:56

did not remember that at all. But yeah,

7:58

also looking at the looking at. the deck, the

8:00

description on that video. After three patches in

8:02

three days, Brad and company finally feel safe

8:04

exploring the realm of Magica. Sounds

8:07

like their update cadence also hasn't changed much.

8:10

I think it probably launched pretty hot too

8:12

in a different way entirely. Look, when you're

8:15

breaking new ground the way they are. The

8:18

entirety of my recollection of that first game is that

8:20

I loaded it up, I jumped into a game with

8:22

some friends, I assume Mike and some

8:24

other people, and I immediately

8:26

launched a laser inside a force bubble,

8:28

a shield bubble someplace, and murked everybody

8:31

in the game and reset the

8:33

entire game. The controller,

8:35

the d-pad input based spell

8:37

call downs, the wanton violence

8:40

against your teammates, it's all there. Yep.

8:43

The one thing I remember that Helldivers got away

8:46

from is the spell mixing. They

8:48

had a really dynamic system for

8:50

mixing elemental spells with weather spells. Oh

8:53

yeah. You can find water and lightning and

8:55

make fun of them. Make

8:57

death puddles for people and stuff like that.

8:59

You can combine the fireball spell with a

9:01

tornado spell to make a fire tornado. It

9:03

was so cool. Oh, you got the Hellmayer

9:06

I'm guessing. Not yet. Hellmayer

9:08

has fire tornadoes, Brad. Man, I haven't played

9:10

that game in too long. I've been busy

9:12

playing 100 hour RPGs. I'm

9:14

going to go and tell you, the JRPGs will still be

9:16

there, but you know what won't be? Manage democracy if there's

9:18

not people defending it. True. You

9:20

know what else there won't be if they don't

9:22

get on it? I got to do my part

9:24

in spreading democracy and also answering these questions. Yeah,

9:26

we got to turn some cues into A's. It's

9:28

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9:30

the above. If you

9:32

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9:35

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Or even better, you can sign up for the

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bunch of delightful human beings. And

9:57

post your questions in the Q seeking A's channel.

10:00

where it will disappear after a few moments into the

10:02

ether. But Brad and I will see it at the

10:04

end of the month. We will make a big list.

10:06

We will judge them based on their relative merits and

10:08

we will answer the ones that we feel interested in

10:10

answering and then the rest of them will be saved

10:12

for later. At some point, we're

10:14

going to have years worth of questions to

10:16

answer. Yeah, we've got all these docs, you

10:18

know, we've good questions never die. No,

10:20

it's not like we trash any of these old documents.

10:23

I'm going to scroll back to, should I

10:25

read a question from June 2021? Sure.

10:27

Let's see. People were like, let's look

10:29

back in the midst of time and see what

10:31

people were interested in in June 2021. We

10:34

are getting way more questions now than we did then.

10:37

Well, we've been doing questions pretty reliably for

10:40

the last three years. Sure. Here's

10:42

a question from Squibworth on June 16th, 2021. Who's your

10:44

favorite robot or

10:47

cyborg? Some examples are 2D2, Darth Vader

10:49

number six. Who's number six? You

10:52

know, from Battlestar Galactica, the lady. Oh,

10:54

okay. I have not seen that. I

10:57

have not seen Battlestar Galactica. Data, lore,

10:59

robocop, jax, dot matrix.

11:02

Perhaps a more interesting question might have to

11:04

be answered first. How much of your

11:06

body needs to be artificial to make you a cyborg? Anything.

11:10

Would Luke Skywalker with a hand or Picard

11:12

with a heart count? Yep. 100%. And

11:16

does it have to be electronic? Is Ash's

11:18

hydraulic hand in army of darkness good enough?

11:21

Ooh, I don't know about Ash's hydraulic hand.

11:23

No, that's... I

11:25

feel like that might just make him a heavy

11:27

metal death machine. Yeah, I

11:30

like... Is Picard's heart robot heart?

11:32

Does that make him a cyborg? I don't

11:34

know. You don't see it. No. It's

11:37

not visible. It's true. It's just a organ

11:39

replacement. Yeah, but

11:42

like, huh. I

11:44

feel like the robot hand absolutely makes you

11:46

a cyborg, right? Probably.

11:48

I have a friend who has a pump

11:51

in her liver that blasts chemotherapy stuff

11:53

out of her some bad

11:55

stuff that's happening to her in her liver every

11:57

once in a while. I feel like she's probably

11:59

a cyborg. Right? I guess so.

12:02

I don't know. I mean, even like loose hand, it still

12:04

just looks like a hand and functions like a hand. I feel like... I

12:06

feel like you can crush marble with that thing though. That's an

12:08

upgrade. I mean, so... I

12:11

kind of... When I think cyborg,

12:13

I think overt enhancements of your

12:15

original... your biological capabilities. If

12:17

you could only enhance one part of you, what would you enhance? Keep

12:21

it PG, please. Uh... It's...

12:24

Robot eyes. Uh... Hello.

12:29

Huh. Yeah. But we like... We've

12:31

talked... I feel like we've talked about Neuralink enough that

12:33

I know your stance on Neuralink and then you're probably

12:36

gonna be a... Like there's

12:38

a lot of good reasons to... For that

12:40

to be a pass. Yeah. Yeah.

12:43

But like... I feel like having a direct internet

12:45

brain implant would be really, really useful. I'm not

12:47

minding from that guy. Can you imagine the quality

12:49

of firewall you would want on that to not

12:51

let any of the outside internet into your head

12:54

on didn't... Eh, probably just not

12:56

gonna click on questionable links. Like never forward

12:58

a port to your brain. No,

13:00

no. Yeah, best

13:02

robot has to be R2-D2, man. Definitely

13:05

most reliable or the

13:07

most omnipresent. Those movies low

13:09

key, it's just the R2-D2, sorry. If they

13:12

hadn't been cowards, they would have called it

13:14

the R2-D2 saga when they were rebranding that

13:16

in the J.J. Abrams days.

13:18

It's true. He's always there.

13:21

R2-D2 has been my Skywalker. Yes. Always

13:24

quietly integral to events. Mm-hmm.

13:27

All right, let's fast forward to the 2024 questions.

13:30

Wow. What socks should I buy, Brad? Oh,

13:33

I guess I would have needed it three years ago. Yeah,

13:35

sorry, 2 a.m. We are worried there. Email

13:39

from Gerard or Gerard in

13:41

the Netherlands? That's a Gerard.

13:44

I don't know if they do... Do they

13:46

do soft... It's Gerard Depardieu. He's

13:48

French. The French is Dutch, I

13:50

guess. Did they do it? Similar. Yeah, do they

13:52

do soft cheese in Dutch? I'm not sure. I

13:55

don't know. We'll find out after this episode goes

13:57

up. I know they don't in German, but anyway.

14:00

Alright, back in the

14:03

day, screen savers were actually useful since they prevented

14:05

burn-in on CRT monitors, which

14:07

is not really a concern nowadays. However,

14:10

they were also fun. So

14:12

why did we stop having fun? Would

14:15

you consider, or sorry, would you reconsider using

14:17

a fun screen saver? There's a dedicated community

14:20

making sure Johnny Castaway still runs on

14:22

modern machines, for instance. Man,

14:24

I love a good screen saver. Yeah, I miss

14:26

screen savers terribly. I'd still

14:29

use them. What? Really? I

14:32

mean, not for their purpose, but like I

14:34

have, even though I work in my house now and there's

14:37

somebody else around, I still have the office instinct

14:39

of have my workstation lock itself after like

14:42

five minutes. Wow. After I walk

14:44

away, did you never do that? I mean, I

14:46

did when I worked in an office and I was working with

14:48

a bunch of reprobates, but like I

14:50

wouldn't ever do that at home. I just have it go straight

14:52

to sleep. Yeah.

14:55

Yeah. I do that. The

14:58

reason we stopped is because of the power usage.

15:00

It turns out like with a billion

15:02

plus PCs in the world, if we all

15:04

just ran screen savers all the time, we

15:08

would do bad things to the amount of power.

15:10

Like we don't want to be mining Bitcoin over

15:13

here. That's true. I mean, that's getting better with

15:15

OLED though. If you were to

15:17

use a sufficiently darkened screen saver, that would

15:19

use relatively little power. In

15:21

fact, I was researching screen savers a few weeks ago, like

15:23

trying to find out what is still available for Windows. And

15:26

I saw a bunch of people saying like, hey, if you

15:29

have an OLED, can't you just display a black frame without

15:31

actually turning the monitor off? And it's kind of the same

15:33

thing. Hmm. Wow.

15:36

Is that actually the case? I'm sure there's some extra

15:38

electronics that are still alive or not in a suspend

15:40

state in the monitor that are maybe taking a little

15:42

more power. But like. That is

15:44

compelling. Yeah. Like the display itself

15:46

wouldn't be there. Their argument there was like, then you don't have to

15:49

wait for it to come out of sleep and like warm back up

15:51

or come back on, although it doesn't really have to warm up. You

15:53

know what I mean? It would be

15:55

instant when you move your mouse, the screen will

15:57

come back from black because it was technically still

15:59

on and display. I

16:01

mean. A yard get it so they

16:03

can be electronics in the in the said that are

16:05

pulling juice all the time but but the I

16:07

wouldn't be as much for me. It's like. It

16:10

was worse in the in the Crt days.

16:12

Obvious is here to this kind of a

16:14

lot of power. The cold cathode backlights were

16:16

are notoriously power hungry now. it just feels

16:18

kind of wasteful. And it turns out

16:20

I I said everything to be dark when it's not running

16:22

now too. So I just turn those lights off. Ah

16:25

I'm I had an old fish

16:27

tank screensaver that had. A tropical

16:29

fish in it. I absolutely loved their. Atlanta?

16:32

Yeah, I would. I would do that

16:34

again or coerce them. How about when?

16:36

Milton? That one I bought a special

16:38

piece of software was one of the for sings

16:40

about on the internet actually. I think. We.

16:42

Twenty bucks be to buy it for fish

16:45

later, pay for screensavers I knew and see

16:47

those people made. Spent the time mom one

16:49

most fish. The Surf affair I love. Nothing

16:52

will ever top the heyday of Like Ruff.

16:54

Leave your two thousand. Every

16:56

single. Computer. In the it's

16:58

hard to warm have the Matrix screensaver going on

17:00

at. Oh that's funny that for

17:03

me it when I was in college was after

17:05

dark. Toasters was when I already had and pipe

17:07

dream pipe dream was given i I if I

17:09

had it. Like. If I had solar

17:11

that was generally more power than I use.

17:13

I would consider probably something that on but with

17:16

electric carnal that I don't as real as

17:18

said if they are also your monitors have

17:20

a finite lifespan, was rug burn enron and on

17:22

is molly. Backlights on Lcds give them river

17:24

time like a lead solve. Their. Own

17:26

gonna burn on which side. But

17:28

tix old that aging issues, it's it's kind

17:30

of. It's kind of bugsy out like I

17:32

look at, like those Samsung frame tvs and

17:35

stuff like that and like this. Really cool.

17:37

It's neat even of ambien art up on

17:39

the wall when you're not doing it. but

17:41

it does use some amount of power and

17:43

is it just it? Just. And.

17:45

Reviews wasteful to have some the on the

17:47

you're not actively using. yeah I was just

17:49

reading about this. your Cv on the to

17:51

Samsung frames this year. Now have a new

17:53

sixty Hertz mode gastric if they didn't have

17:55

before but they'd drop the refresh rates are

17:57

always optionally on the new models to use.

18:00

Our colored refreshes was I'm I'm surprised they didn't do

18:02

a little of what. like the apple watch doesn't give

18:04

you like a. Maybe. Not a one

18:06

hurts mode but at least something super low as

18:08

your display know still image. I.

18:11

You know that took Apple fair amount

18:13

of time to get their to science

18:15

fair and and power for the Apple

18:17

watch is a direct response on battery

18:19

life which super the prime motivator for

18:21

customers. Scousers on the Samsung thing, I

18:23

think the people who buy it is

18:25

experts maybe don't give a shit about

18:27

the power bill tapping palms Puzzling As

18:29

a that's for savers, there is a

18:31

truly amazing L Cars screensaver out. There

18:33

are the Three Eric computer interface. But.

18:36

It's kind of hard and agree with windows and they

18:38

kind of uses last. Computers. To

18:41

runs. Yeah. I don't want my

18:43

Jeep you spinning up on my see pew and my

18:45

screen saver comes on that officer, But I'm going for

18:47

a camera the name of and you'd probably find it

18:49

pretty easily if you do for it anyway. I'm

18:51

quick email from Rob. Hear about the old

18:54

Disney World Vr thing we talked about a

18:56

few weeks ago. Who. The.

18:59

Latin class I think is what else does the ark

19:01

or yeah, Latin class. Or

19:03

Rob says that we got at least a couple.

19:05

We. Just me up. Multiple emails on the yeah every

19:08

day we had of lamb on one and since

19:10

one. Back in the heady days

19:12

of the Ninety's a buddy and I drove down from

19:14

Ohio to Disney World to see and do all the

19:16

nerdy Disney things where they had an offer. I

19:19

when we went to Epcot specifically the area

19:21

called a communal core at the time. To.

19:23

The core sounds. That sounds

19:26

cool. Pretty heavy metal and itself. Or

19:29

we waited for the Vr demo and I was picked. Try

19:31

it! Out there were two components.

19:34

The headset that was counterbalanced by some

19:36

overhead rigging and the device you sat

19:38

on straddling it like a motorcycle. He

19:40

leaned forward and grabbed some controls on

19:42

the unit. Of the premise

19:44

was that you are allowed in writing the magic carpet

19:46

trying to exit the Cave of Wonders. If I recall

19:48

correctly. Guided. By Iago the parents.

19:51

He. Raised the other two volunteers of the time demo.

19:53

I thought it was pretty darn cool. years

19:56

later when does the open up disney quests orlando they

19:58

have an attraction based on this Same

20:00

text, same story, just more polished and you got a score

20:02

at the end. It was at Disney

20:05

Quest for quite some time, as I

20:07

remember. So

20:09

we got a lot of emails about this. The

20:11

big things that I thought were interesting are the

20:14

counterbalanced, like the helmets hung from

20:16

the head, the ceiling, and were counterbalanced because they

20:18

were so heavy because I assumed they had giant

20:20

CRTs in them. Yeah, I don't think I had

20:22

that thought when we talked about this on the

20:24

Tech demo episode and didn't actually voice it that,

20:26

yeah, they would have had to have straight

20:28

up CRTs strapped to your face, right? Yeah,

20:31

because LCDs at that time weren't color and

20:33

weren't bright. There were some laptops that had

20:35

color LCDs, but they were all reflective

20:38

screens, so you had to have a front light

20:40

on them and that wouldn't work for VR. Another

20:45

person did the demo and talked about

20:47

how only three

20:50

people got to... So this was the

20:52

shipping version of the game. This was what was it like

20:54

in the actual part. The preview that we

20:57

saw the video of was a

20:59

thing where they would pull three people out of the audience

21:01

who got to try the ride and everybody else watched them.

21:04

And it seems like they didn't have the motorcycle

21:06

style thing to sit on. They just sat on

21:08

a flat area and had people keeping them from

21:10

falling off of it, basically. So

21:14

yeah, it sounds cool. I wish... I

21:16

wonder if somebody... I looked a little bit to see if somebody

21:18

did a recreation of any of that or

21:21

ported whatever they'd done forward

21:24

to run on modern headsets, but I couldn't find anything. It

21:29

seems like I think that would be desirable

21:31

for the video game preservation folks, for sure.

21:35

I haven't even thought about that. I wonder

21:37

if the Frank Sephalties of the world have a lead

21:40

on something like that. Well, I bet Disney even keeps

21:42

their very old stuff pretty tightly under lock and key.

21:45

Yeah. I mean, the thing about... There's a

21:47

lot of people that preserve park stuff. So

21:51

if you want to go see what it was like to ride

21:53

one of the old rides, there's tons and tons and tons of

21:55

video that people have recorded. But

21:57

there's not... The software for that stuff is a lot of fun.

21:59

a little bit old. I

22:02

mean, it was obviously proprietary. It was run on closed machines.

22:04

It was probably run on like SGI machines or

22:06

something really weird back then. So yeah.

22:08

Oh man, my

22:10

YouTube recommendations have gotten extremely

22:13

SGIified recently. What have

22:15

you been looking at? Like stuff just started

22:17

showing up. I mean, I've been watching a

22:19

lot of like old video game console restoration

22:21

videos and stuff like that. So like somebody

22:23

showed up on there with an SGI Onyx.

22:26

Somebody had a, was there an, it's not an,

22:28

uh, Octane, I believe was one of them. Yeah.

22:31

Octane was, um, was a mid

22:33

tier, a mid,

22:35

mid era SGI workstation. It was a

22:38

big giant chunky boy though. It was

22:40

like, yeah, most of them,

22:42

most of theirs looked like, like little mid towers

22:44

that were kind of purple and cool. But the

22:46

Octane was a big workstation thing that came in.

22:48

Like it was like a crate, I think. Yeah.

22:50

I'm looking at a picture of it now. The

22:53

Onyx, the guy on there that got

22:55

his hands on Onyx and he has like a bunch of

22:57

the documentation and like ads from the time. The

22:59

Onyx started at $250,000 and went up to 650. Oh,

23:03

the Onyx is what I'm thinking about. The

23:05

Octane was the small one. So the Onyx,

23:07

they didn't even advertise as a workstation and

23:09

they advertised it as a graphic supercomputer. Yeah.

23:12

It was literally the fastest graphics hardware on the planet

23:14

at the time. The Onyx

23:16

was really, really, really big. Yeah. Yeah. If it's kind

23:18

of like the first one, he pulls the case apart

23:20

and you can see how it's like built out of

23:22

metal and it had like metal runners on the side

23:24

because it was too, it has wheels. It was too

23:26

big and heavy to lift. You had to roll it

23:29

around because it's so damn big. It looks a lot

23:31

like old mini computers. If you

23:33

look for like a weighing micro computer

23:36

or a weighing mini computer, then they

23:38

were the same kind of big

23:41

thing, but this wasn't a shared

23:43

terminal like I'm playing. It would have been. Yeah.

23:45

I'll try to remember to link that video in the

23:47

show notes for this. It's pretty fascinating if you are

23:49

interested in older computers that used to

23:51

cost half a million dollars. I

23:54

love a half million dollar computer. That

23:56

sounds great. Yeah. All right. One

23:58

more email from Luke in. in Oregon. I just

24:02

finished building my first PC on my

24:04

own. Congratulations. It was awesome

24:06

and super fulfilling, but since then I'm plagued

24:08

with anxiety about my build. Did

24:11

I miss something? Is something going to just break and

24:13

I'll have to spend a month getting my motherboard already

24:15

made? All tech has a

24:17

shelf life and runs into problems, problems that

24:19

are often costly and or time consuming. So

24:22

here's my question for you. How do you make peace

24:24

with the reality the tech is going to have problems?

24:27

How do you manage the inevitable frustration and annoyances

24:29

that come with technology? I just buy two of

24:31

everything. So I have something that... No, I'm kidding.

24:33

I'm kidding. I'm kidding. So

24:35

most places that you're buying computer hardware from

24:37

now, if you have something that conks out,

24:39

you can give them a credit card number

24:42

and they'll cross ship stuff and then only charge you

24:44

if you don't return the broken piece. So

24:48

like when my Intel CPU conked out and I

24:50

had to RMA it went back. It

24:52

was back three days after I sent it out,

24:54

right? Like I got it almost immediately. Sometimes you

24:56

can even get it before you... Sorry, the

24:59

replacement was here three days

25:01

after I asked for them to send me a replacement.

25:03

And then I sent the old one back. So

25:06

it's not... You're not going to

25:08

be out for a month unless

25:10

you're in Australia or New Zealand or someplace that's

25:12

far away from places and overnight shipping is less

25:15

available for you. Yeah. I

25:17

mean, usually what's this up and running, you're probably pretty good. Like the

25:19

stuff that you and I have had problems with this year is the

25:23

anomaly in my experience. Yeah,

25:26

the compatibility issues and stuff are not the

25:29

stuff we've been running into, not super common. Yeah.

25:32

It's not been... It's really,

25:36

really not been an issue. Like my...

25:38

I'm trying to think my 9900K machine

25:40

I basically built and was

25:42

rock solid for four years, five years.

25:47

My machine prior to that, the Broadwell E

25:49

lasted is still... It's on the garage.

25:51

It became a server and ran 24 seven

25:54

after it had been my desktop computer for three or four years.

25:56

Yeah. I mean, I famously used that 7700K for... Well, it is... swap

26:00

CPUs and RAM at one point, but like that thing went from

26:02

2016 to last year, 27

26:05

years. Like I've, I've

26:07

been extraordinarily lucky with hardware failure over time.

26:09

I've had like one motherboard in my entire

26:11

life die. Like

26:14

generally motherboards and stuff don't die. The memory

26:16

sometimes will conk out, but as long as

26:18

you're not at the end

26:20

of that memory lifespan, like that, that

26:23

type of memories lifespan, generally

26:25

it's pretty inexpensive to replace memory. Yeah. I want to

26:27

do memory makers still do lifetime warranties. I did have

26:29

one Corsair stick of like DDR3 maybe like 10 years

26:31

ago, go bad. But like at that point I just

26:33

pulled it out and send it in and they sent

26:35

me a new one. And I just had half the

26:38

RAM for a week or two. Depending

26:40

on the RAM you'll either get two years

26:42

or 10 years or maybe somebody has lifetime.

26:44

I don't know. I, I've, usually

26:47

by the time memory conks out in my machines,

26:50

new memory is faster and bigger and I just

26:52

upgrade when that happens. I think that's the real

26:54

lesson here is that generally,

26:57

like, unless you have a dead or like a dead

26:59

on arrival situation, something that is like faulty out of

27:01

the factory, like you're probably going to be fine until

27:03

the point that you kind of don't care that it's

27:05

dead anymore. You know, like, once, like you said, once

27:08

it dies, it makes more sense to just replace it

27:10

with something new. Yeah. Like if I, when

27:12

I had eight gigs of DDR or conk out

27:15

or 16 gigs of DDR4, I

27:17

just bought a 32 gig kit to replace it

27:19

because I wanted more memory anyway, by that point.

27:21

And it turns out adding more memory is an

27:23

easy way to get a little more juice out

27:25

of an older machine. So yeah, the thing, the

27:27

thing I have less success dealing with or the

27:29

thing that I let get to me more than

27:31

failures, like failures or whatever, like you said, their

27:33

fact of life, like you just deal with them.

27:37

The thing that drives me crazy is just like shit

27:39

design and something that I'm now stuck with. You

27:41

know what I mean? Yeah. Like I got these

27:43

new monitors like three or four years ago, they're

27:45

like two, three things about these monitors that drive

27:47

me crazy to this day. And there's

27:49

just nothing I can do about it. Cause that's just how they're made. And

27:52

it was by the time it was really

27:54

a problem. I kind of couldn't get rid of them anymore.

27:56

So I sent them back. Like stuff, like stuff like the

27:58

auto inputs like on these things. I turn it off

28:00

and when I'm streaming and trying to like

28:02

swap inputs to turn a console on, you know, having

28:05

the monitor decide what it thinks I should be looking

28:07

at when I'm trying to tell it or,

28:10

you know, trying to turn stuff on and switch things

28:12

efficiently while I'm live on the internet, just

28:14

infuriating. Like that's the kind of stuff that bums me out

28:16

is just stuff that doesn't work like

28:18

it should because somebody made a dumb design decision. I

28:21

have my water

28:23

cooler reports temperature back

28:26

in to fan control and

28:28

whatever other software you have installed. It

28:30

was great except for when the computer goes

28:33

to sleep, it bombs out that connection and

28:35

it doesn't recover gracefully. So I had

28:37

to restart fan control every time the computer

28:39

rebooted. I just replaced the water cooler. Like

28:42

it was annoying. And that's yeah, sometimes you just have

28:44

to rip the band. I typically don't let

28:46

myself do that, but there are absolutely cases where I should

28:48

have or it's like, I should just

28:50

sell or give this away and buy a new

28:52

one that I'm happier with to eat the money

28:55

because this is trying to be nuts. Well, so

28:57

ultimately I'll put it in another machine that can

28:59

benefit from having the water temperature monitoring, but

29:01

that doesn't sleep. It's only on when

29:03

it's being used. So it's less of

29:05

an issue. And

29:08

yeah, that's the plan there, I guess. Yes. All

29:11

right. Here's a good question from one sweet Chuck on

29:13

the discord. I think there

29:15

are two versions of this question that we should consider. What

29:19

happens if Google actually decides to shutter Gmail?

29:22

What happens to the world and what should people do

29:24

to protect against such a future? So I think they're

29:26

like the two versions of this question are what

29:28

is the realistic scenario where Google would actually shut

29:30

Gmail down, which like probably isn't a realistic situation

29:32

to begin with. And in

29:35

that case, you know, there's probably months or even

29:37

years of ramp up to that and warnings and

29:39

stuff. The other version of this is Gmail just

29:41

vanishes one day. Yeah.

29:43

Like what if Gmail breaks? Well, boy, I don't

29:46

even want to think about that. I think

29:48

you just start at the beginning and start if

29:52

you start changing, you have to start hopefully

29:54

you have a password manager and you know

29:56

all the places you have accounts that are tied

29:58

to that Gmail account by searching for that Gmail

30:00

account. in your password manager. And then start going

30:02

in and changing those accounts. But

30:05

I mean, woof, what a nightmare. Yeah, like I'm thinking

30:07

about this in the like science fiction way of like,

30:09

you know, what if cell phones all vanished one day,

30:11

you know, like that kind of thing. Like, I

30:14

bet there would be a pretty measurable disruption to

30:17

like a business and daily, daily

30:19

whatever, you know, daily life. If

30:22

suddenly nobody had a Gmail

30:24

account anymore. There, there are

30:26

enough businesses, like we

30:29

often, the bad

30:31

practice, but we often would set up like Google

30:34

accounts that are tied to YouTube channels and stuff like

30:36

that, that have

30:38

significant businesses

30:40

attached to them that are hooked

30:43

into a free Gmail account instead of one that's

30:45

attached to our domain and corporate

30:47

accounts just because then the corporate

30:50

IT folks aren't managing them. And

30:53

do nothing against corporate IT folks. But

30:55

often you'll, you're like, you don't want to

30:57

be in a situation where the person who's

30:59

in charge of the IT, the email addresses

31:01

for the corporate domain is like, Oh, what's

31:03

this, what's this, you know, blog

31:06

at blah, blah, blah. And then they

31:08

delete your blog, blog, blog, that's the

31:10

backend for your entire website or something.

31:12

Right. Um, and

31:16

yeah, I, I, man,

31:18

I don't even, like if

31:20

they show, if they're going to sunset Gmail, it's

31:22

probably in the real world. If they're going to

31:24

sunset Gmail, it's because they're going to move everybody

31:27

to something else. Right. And if

31:29

they're going to do that, there's going to be a long ramp

31:31

period. It's not like they're going to say, Oh, okay. Then the

31:33

end of three months, we're turning off Gmail. Good luck. Millions

31:36

of assholes. Cause it's, it is kind of,

31:39

they have kind of, I think intentionally

31:41

built email for most people on the

31:43

internet. Yes. At least in our market.

31:45

I'm sure that there's other things in other places. God,

31:47

I wonder what the market share is at this point,

31:49

actually. I bet it's enormous. Probably

31:52

very stupid. It's a very large number.

31:54

Yeah. Actually on that subject,

31:56

here's another question from meatball that is in

31:58

the same vein. I've

32:00

been using the same email address that's my

32:03

first initial and last name at outlook.com for

32:05

nearly 15 years after having

32:07

abandoned the same setup at gmail.com due to

32:09

it becoming a spam nightmare. Unfortunately,

32:12

the last year or two on Outlook has gone the

32:14

same path, and 20-plus spam messages

32:16

are getting past whatever junk mail filters they

32:18

have per day. It's

32:20

to the point that I'm considering going with a new

32:22

email address, even though that is

32:25

mean updating an insane amount of website logins and figuring

32:27

out how to, or even if I

32:29

should, get the word out that people have

32:31

emailed in the past 10-15 years. What

32:34

do you all consider the best email service now

32:36

in general and in regards to spam filtering, and

32:39

would you still stick with your name in the email address

32:41

or come up with something else? I'm

32:43

never putting my name in an email address again. I'm

32:45

not either, except if it's like a front-facing business address

32:47

that I give to people that I work with and

32:49

at other companies that need to know who I am

32:52

and who that address goes to, but for

32:55

private emails that have financial stuff or

32:57

health stuff or whatever attached to them,

33:00

I'm absolutely as obscure as possible. For

33:03

the one that has all of my banking and

33:05

stuff attached to it, I literally opened up my

33:07

password manager and had it generate a three-word phrase,

33:10

like passphrase, with

33:12

three random words, and that's my email

33:15

address for important stuff. Yeah, that's good.

33:19

The spam that happens just

33:21

from having first name, last name

33:23

on popular email services is such

33:26

that you can't, I don't think you can realistically do

33:28

that. I think you have to do some word and numbers.

33:32

And then there's a problem, like for example,

33:34

when you're on a job hunt, I

33:37

just registered another domain and hooked

33:39

an email address up for that that's just for

33:41

the job hunt. So all the applications

33:43

go out to a specific

33:45

new email address. You

33:48

have to pay in the ass because you have to make sure this

33:50

fits all this anti-spam stuff. You have to

33:52

do the TKIP, I think it's TKIP, I can't remember. I

33:54

had to set up a whole bunch

33:56

of authentication with Google. I had to make a

33:58

Google admin console for that domain. so

34:00

that I would be able to get to

34:03

people on Google and Microsoft and other

34:06

corporate email clients. Yeah,

34:08

I think that's a good option. It's not actually that

34:10

hard for most people to do. I mean, of course,

34:13

you just said there is some management there, but controlling

34:15

your own domain has some

34:17

advantages. You could change email providers down the road and

34:19

keep the same address if you want. For

34:22

example? Yeah. The other thing, so

34:24

on their note, I literally wouldn't

34:26

use email to talk to people anymore. Interesting.

34:30

I mean, I get emails with bills,

34:32

I get emails with documents like 401K stuff and things like

34:41

that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I don't

34:43

think I've sent an email to a family

34:45

member that wasn't about bills or 401K stuff

34:48

or some family business or something in like

34:50

10 years. Yeah, that's fair. I mean, my

34:52

landlord still uses email to contact tenants. Yeah.

34:55

For example, I mean, I use email every day

34:57

to talk to people in the industry at companies,

34:59

but that's just like efficient business. Yeah, that's a

35:01

different thing. Yeah,

35:03

maybe you're right. It's

35:06

funny, in the games industry, I find myself using

35:08

Discord and like, I mean, I still, unfortunately, the

35:10

reason I still have a Twitter account is because

35:12

people still use Twitter DMs almost constantly. Anyway.

35:16

Yeah. As

35:18

for other services, people like

35:21

ProtonMail. Yeah, like ProtonMail is pretty well-liked for

35:23

encryption. I can't speak to how effective their

35:25

spam filtering is. I'm sure it's pretty good.

35:28

Yeah, I switched to Hey before we realized that

35:30

the people that run Basecamp kind of suck and now

35:33

I'm stuck on it. Yeah, they're bad.

35:36

What's the good

35:38

of the Ruby on Rails guy, David

35:40

Hanamay or Anthony? Yeah, he's bad. I

35:42

read and I've read his blog occasionally

35:44

as I've diten in and out of

35:46

interesting topics related to web

35:48

frameworks and programming languages. The

35:51

problem for me is that my email

35:53

address is for same last name in

35:55

Gmail and their filtering method

35:58

which is just like once you allow something. I don't think

36:00

it goes to your inbox and everything else just gets filtered

36:02

away. It turns out to be pretty

36:04

effective against the problems that come with having a

36:06

20-plus year old Gmail inbox. I

36:11

don't feel great about giving them money

36:13

every year. Fair. That

36:15

is fair. Email. It

36:18

will never not be somewhat fraught. Email

36:21

sucks. Yeah. Email's bad.

36:24

I'm kind of surprised there hasn't been so... Well,

36:26

that's such a thorny topic. How

36:28

would you replace email as a standard with something better? I don't

36:30

know. Google tried it. Yeah.

36:34

I don't know. I don't think that there's a great... I

36:37

don't particularly like outlook.com. I

36:39

think it sucks for all the

36:41

reasons that Outlook sucks. I

36:45

think to fully, properly replace email, you would

36:47

need something that was end-to-end encrypted which email

36:49

extremely is not. Yeah.

36:52

But I think that shit probably sailed a long time ago. I

36:57

feel like intelligence... I feel

36:59

like a lot of people would have feelings about end-to-end encrypted

37:01

email. Yes, probably so. Yeah.

37:05

Here's a question from T385219. That's

37:09

a good email address right there. Do

37:12

you have any insight into how companies like

37:14

AWS or Google decide where to open new

37:16

data centers? What criteria

37:18

are important? Is it just electricity cost,

37:21

water supply? Are there places

37:23

with better access to the internet pipes? At

37:26

a certain level, do they want distributed

37:28

location close to where population intensity is?

37:31

So they have spreadsheets and

37:33

they put in things like the cost per

37:35

kilowatt hour of electricity and the amount

37:38

of water and the average temperature and

37:40

the amount of sunlight that those sites

37:42

are going to get on the day-to-day.

37:44

Yeah. I will also assume straight-up

37:47

cost of real estate and land is a

37:49

big deal because data centers have a gigantic

37:51

footprint. They're large. Things

37:53

like whether they're seismically active areas or

37:56

whether they're subject to hurricanes or tornadoes

37:58

or severe weather events. are things that

38:00

they're concerned about. And

38:03

then I'm sure that everybody has

38:06

different formulas they use. But

38:09

I guess proximity to fiber is probably also

38:12

important, although probably less so now because like

38:14

at the scale that these data centers run at, they probably

38:16

just run whatever they need.

38:18

But yeah, it's like Oregon was really

38:20

popular for a while because there's cheap

38:22

hydroelectric power from the Columbia River. There's

38:25

the temperatures nice and the climate

38:27

is temperate. It's not

38:29

particularly seismically active. There's no

38:31

hurricanes. There's not really significant winter

38:34

storms. There's no, there's

38:37

fire risk, I guess, but that's relatively

38:39

manageable, I think, from a risk

38:41

management perspective. So it's about risk and cost. Yeah.

38:43

Another one I didn't think, did we mention possible

38:46

tax incentives? I assume some of those

38:48

might exist as well. Yeah, I

38:50

guess so. I mean, I don't know why

38:52

you'd incentivize that because it's not like it generates a lot of

38:55

jobs. Maybe not that many jobs, but

38:57

I mean, you are bringing high skilled labor,

38:59

tech labor to the area. Are you?

39:02

I mean, there's like three people in there just hit the button every once

39:04

in a while. I don't know. I

39:06

mean, I think there's a lot of construction jobs when they're building them,

39:08

but I feel like once that's done, it's just a kind

39:11

of pimple on your infrastructure

39:13

otherwise because it uses a lot of power and generates

39:15

a lot of heat. Yeah.

39:18

Google has a data center in North Carolina, not

39:20

far from where I was

39:22

born or grew up. That makes sense. Yes.

39:25

It's cool in the mountains. Yeah. Probably

39:28

a few natural disasters. Do you

39:30

remember when Microsoft was building those containerized data centers

39:32

that they were sinking in the bay? I mean,

39:34

that was Google. Yes. No, that was Microsoft. The

39:37

image will never leave my head of them

39:39

pulling one of those out of the water with

39:42

like barnacles all over the side because it had

39:44

the very bright Microsoft logo, the four color window

39:46

pane logo on it, except that thing was covered

39:48

with the detritus of the sea. That

39:51

was after like two years or something a year. I

39:53

don't know how I feel about thermal pollution from

39:56

data centers. Actually, I do know how I feel

39:58

about it. It feels bad. Yeah. It's

40:00

not great. It was not great. I

40:02

mean, but at the same time, we're like

40:04

right now there's a, there's a bunch of

40:07

coastal, um, like wave generation,

40:09

tide generation trials going on that

40:11

seem really promising and have, I

40:14

mean, I guess ultimately when

40:16

you take energy from the tides, you're

40:18

slowing the rotation of the earth probably

40:20

in some infinitesimal amount. This

40:22

is a problem for future us. Um, I,

40:26

I, like I feel like coastal stuff is probably

40:28

good, but the weather on coastal areas is getting

40:30

worse and worse. So I don't know. So

40:33

it's a weird situation. Like some people

40:35

build data centers in Arizona because there's

40:37

free solar power, like massive, massive free

40:40

solar power there. So what

40:42

do I know? But it's also pretty warm. So

40:44

it is very hot in the summer. Yeah. A

40:46

lot of air conditioning there. Yes. Question

40:49

from park. Why are

40:51

so many companies so slow to recognize the

40:53

web P file type and their software? Is

40:56

there a business or technical reason why this would be

40:58

difficult? It seems odd to see

41:00

slow adoption of what will clearly be the next

41:02

widespread image file type. Like browsers and

41:04

stuff supported web P almost immediately. Yeah. Browsers have

41:06

supported web P forever. I thought for a long

41:08

time, it was a licensing issue, but I looked

41:11

it up and web P is licensed under BSC

41:13

license, which that should not be

41:15

a problem. Yeah. I feel like for

41:17

a lot, like in the old days with open, open

41:19

formats like that, that were licensed to that, I think

41:21

there was worry about license contamination. Um, like

41:24

if you had a GPL, format

41:26

and you supported it with GPL libraries in

41:28

your code, then you then have to GPL

41:30

other code that that code dudges. And

41:32

that's a, that's a slippery slope. Um,

41:35

it's not a real concern with BSD licenses

41:37

though. It's my understanding. Yeah.

41:39

Um, I

41:41

know, I know what web P is huge in

41:43

web development. My understanding is web P's compression is

41:46

incredibly efficient for the quality. In fact, is it

41:48

lossless? I think it is. It can be as

41:50

my, as my, like I've, I've, I've followed some

41:52

conversations on it's funny. Like this will pop up

41:54

on Twitter occasionally where a bunch of people will

41:56

grouse about how much they hate web P and

41:59

then every web design. in the world

42:01

will pop up and be like the web would not

42:03

work as it does with WebP. Like

42:06

the numbers of extra terabytes of data we would have

42:08

to move daily if

42:10

we were not using a file or an

42:13

image format this efficient would be basically be

42:15

unsustainable. Yeah, so WebP

42:17

has both lossless and lossy formats. According

42:20

to Google's WebP fact sheet, it's 26% smaller

42:23

in size compared to PINGs and

42:26

25 to 34% smaller than

42:28

comparable JPEGs at the equivalent quality

42:30

index and it supports transparency

42:32

which is the other big deal. Yes, and if

42:34

you think about the number of like nice site

42:37

designs you'll see out there like every company, every

42:39

professional, anything on the web needs

42:41

graphics that don't have compression artifacts that need to

42:43

look clean and also have... Unprofessional.

42:47

Yeah. Unprofessional and so you

42:49

need some nice efficient lossless format

42:51

for that. So

42:54

like Adobe didn't support WebP for a

42:57

long time which I think is just

42:59

Adobe being always eternally slow to support

43:01

new file formats partly because

43:04

until the file format is big enough

43:06

to be worthy of support, Adobe doesn't

43:08

support it and until Adobe supports stuff

43:11

often the file formats have a hard

43:13

time getting big enough to demand support.

43:16

So like it's a weird circular argument

43:18

there. Yeah, according to this Wikipedia chart,

43:20

Illustrator and Photoshop got support around end

43:23

of 2021 beginning of 2022 so it

43:25

hasn't been a couple years basically since

43:27

Adobe actually finally adopted WebP. As

43:30

opposed to say Chrome getting supported in what like 2012

43:32

or 2013 or something? All

43:34

the browsers have added for a decade plus but I mean

43:36

that's the workflow problem people run into is they get an

43:38

image in a web browser they can view and then they

43:41

try to save it and realize they can't open

43:43

it with anything local and that's where people get

43:45

mad but don't blame the

43:47

image format. It's not the fault of

43:49

the image format. I assume it's

43:51

just like other than maybe Adobe's case where

43:53

they're just being sluggish for market

43:55

dominance like lack of demand

43:58

probably like it's just not used in the... professional

44:00

world outside of like the people doing web development already have

44:02

the tools they need to work with it. Look,

44:05

all I know is that I pay Adobe

44:07

is every year a bunch

44:09

of money for continuously updated software and

44:11

then they are the last people that

44:13

supported the new format. Yeah. Right?

44:16

Same thing happened with HEIC, which is Apple's

44:18

proprietary thing for video,

44:23

like short form video and

44:25

images. Right? And

44:28

like you have to still jump

44:30

through hoops to support HEIC and

44:32

Creative Cloud today is

44:34

my understanding. Yeah. I

44:37

don't know if it's accurate to say that WebP is

44:39

the image format of the future because there's a bunch

44:42

of other competing next generation

44:44

file formats or image formats out there

44:46

as well. There's JPEG XL,

44:48

which I think has a fair amount of momentum

44:51

behind it and has a lot of advantages. There's

44:54

AVIF. Have you seen those? Yeah. Yes.

44:58

AVIF, AVIF, I don't know. Those have now

45:00

taken the place of WebP for the in

45:02

terms of images that I Google search up and

45:05

grab it to use for some stupid purpose and then

45:07

can't open locally. Because

45:10

like I use Affinity Photo and it supports WebP

45:12

and HEIC just fine, but it will not open

45:14

AVIF. So at least version one will

45:17

not. So the funny thing on the

45:19

HEIC front, to get HEIC support in

45:21

Windows, you still have to

45:24

download the HEIC and HEVC

45:26

support tools from the Microsoft

45:28

Store and then restart Photoshop.

45:31

So they needed it OS level, not

45:33

at Photoshop level. They're just

45:35

not paying the licensing for it. Did this not

45:38

even happen? Okay. They didn't even

45:40

click for me that HEIC was related to HEVC in some

45:42

way. Yeah. They're two sides of

45:44

the same coin, right? Yeah. Apparently

45:46

AVIF is part of AV1. Like it's from

45:48

the Alliance for Open Media who has made

45:50

AV1 the royalty free next gen video

45:52

codec. Wow, formats. I'm

45:55

sure plenty of people's eyes glaze over, but I find

45:57

them very interesting. I quite

45:59

enjoy it. it. It's always fun. Yeah.

46:02

If you really want a fun evening, like dig way

46:04

into the spec for a file format sometime and look

46:06

at like the byte order for stuff and what the

46:09

headers have to look like. If you really want to

46:11

know what is inside a file. I

46:14

think I'm probably okay. It turns out. You appear to

46:16

be nodding off. I'm, look, it's,

46:18

I've been, the doors closed. CO2

46:21

levels probably around a thousand in here.

46:23

It's getting a little drowsy. You want

46:25

to do a couple more? Yeah. Spells?

46:27

That was a question. Why

46:29

are technology companies allergic to the number nine? No windows

46:32

nine, no iPhone nine, et cetera. Nine

46:36

is an unlucky number in certain

46:38

markets. Yeah. That is probably

46:40

the case. I

46:42

looked up in these two particular cases in the case of windows

46:45

nine, like the prevailing theory seems

46:47

to be that windows eight was such a boondoggle

46:50

that Microsoft just wanted an extra clean break

46:52

from it. And 10

46:54

is a good long distance

46:57

from eight. There's also,

46:59

there's also, this is, this is totally apocryphal.

47:01

I've never seen any direct evidence

47:03

of this. There's always been the idea

47:05

floating around that like a bunch of, a bunch

47:08

of like old windows APIs and stuff, legacy

47:10

software has got like a string

47:12

windows nine for 95 or 98 in it

47:14

or the broadly that it would

47:16

cause some it would cause some cause

47:18

windows 2k problem. Yeah. Yeah.

47:20

It's cause a bunch of confusion with, with old code.

47:24

So the thing I, I was told by someone

47:28

who was

47:30

around at the time is that nine is

47:32

unlucky, is a bad number in Japan. Cause

47:34

it's a, it's a homophone for the

47:37

word for suffering in the same way that four

47:39

is, is a number you don't use in China

47:42

because it's a, I don't remember the

47:45

word in China and I

47:47

assume Cantonese, but I don't know. Anyway,

47:49

probably Mandarin if it's like official.

47:51

Okay. Yeah,

47:54

that's possible. I mean, you know, they don't, they don't put floor 13s

47:56

in a lot of American elevators.

47:58

So Look,

48:01

I think realistically the reason Windows 10 was Windows

48:03

10 and not Windows 9 is because Microsoft had

48:05

been looking at OS 9, OS 10 for a

48:07

decade and it's like we got to catch up.

48:11

Our number is lower than theirs. I am sure that's part of

48:13

it. Kind of the same thing with the

48:15

iPhone X. I think that was the 10th anniversary of the first

48:17

iPhone when the iPhone X came out. And

48:20

I'm sure they also changed it to the Roman numeral X.

48:24

Which also... Oh no, no, no. When

48:27

did the iPhone X come out? Oh, no, maybe not. It

48:29

was when I was doing food stuff. Yeah, no, it was.

48:31

It was 2017. Yeah, it was 10 years. So,

48:34

yeah. Like

48:39

it was... Yes, for the iPhone in particular. Wasn't

48:41

that the first OLED model or no? Did the 10th OLED screen? I thought it was the

48:43

first one with a notch. It was the first one with a notch. It was the first

48:45

one with a notch. It was the first one with a notch. It was the first one

48:47

with a notch. It was the first one with a notch. Yeah,

48:50

it was a huge design design change. 4

48:52

design. Yeah. It's

48:54

funny. it was just a

48:56

one-to-one thing. So, yeah. It

48:59

was like the first one with the knife, right? Yeah, it was a one-to-one thing. I mean,

49:01

I don't know. It was like the first one with the knife, right? It was like the

49:03

first one with the knife. Like the first one with the knife. It was like the first

49:05

one with the knife. Yeah. Yeah.

49:09

Yeah. So,

49:39

I'm going to talk about one in the Discord this morning that

49:41

I hadn't realized. Oh, Polycom. HP

49:45

bought Polycom and is ditching the

49:47

Polycom branding. What is Polycom? Polycom

49:50

made headsets, like really good headsets.

49:54

And they had poly.com, which is, you

49:56

know, You

50:00

know, it's a good URL. And

50:02

now that just redirects to like some

50:04

page on HP site where they sell

50:06

Polycom headsets, which is a bummer. There's

50:08

nothing worse than the amazing domain being

50:10

subsumed into just a corporate redirect. Yep.

50:14

Set that thing free. Yeah. Well,

50:17

I mean, I think it says something with it. And then by somebody, I mean me. That's

50:19

phase three of this plan. They're going to sell it for hundreds

50:21

of thousands of dollars, I'm sure. Yeah.

50:26

Question from Man, Manjix, Mangan, Mangan.

50:28

Manjix, not sure how you would...

50:31

Mangan. Yeah. Mangan.

50:34

Would you recommend an EV if you don't have a

50:36

reliable way to charge it at home, an apartment without

50:38

chargers, for example? It

50:40

depends. So if it's

50:43

a modern EV that charges pretty

50:45

fast, like I

50:47

would totally... Also

50:50

you have to have chargers near you that are accessible.

50:52

So for example, a thing that's been

50:54

happening in LA lately is a lot of the

50:57

grocery stores have a handful of electrify America chargers

50:59

in their parking lots. Totally. In

51:01

that situation, you live near a grocery store that's

51:03

served, totally would do that. If

51:06

you don't... We even have... In

51:09

San Francisco, they're like, there's the lucky

51:11

at Sloat has chargers

51:13

now, as does the Safeway at

51:15

Noriega. So like, there are...

51:20

It's becoming more accessible even in urban areas.

51:23

So if you have a car, like we're getting

51:25

ready to pick up a new Ionic tomorrow, actually,

51:29

our lease expired on the Bolt, so it's time for a new car.

51:33

And that thing charges from 0 to 80%, like 20 minutes. Which

51:37

means you can go in to get a

51:39

car, go get your groceries and by the time you come out,

51:41

your car's full again. Oh man, that's great. Yeah, I'm totally on

51:43

board for that. Wow, that's cool. Yeah, I read this question at

51:45

first. I was like, why in the world would you want to

51:47

do this? And then I was like, oh wait, right. People would

51:49

go and get gas still. So it's

51:52

like, it's not that different. I mean, you

51:54

know, like to me, that is a big advantage of an electric

51:56

car is you can charge it at home, but I guess giving

51:58

that up is not the end of the world. if

52:00

you can do it in a way that

52:02

fits into your lifestyle, similar to the way

52:04

that getting gas does? Well, yeah. And like

52:06

the weird thing is, like we've lived

52:08

on the bolt on the 120 volt charger, the

52:11

level one charger the entire time, which charges at

52:13

eight or 12 amps,

52:15

I guess. Is that right? Amps,

52:17

watts? I don't know. Amps.

52:21

And like it, that will trickle, assuming we don't drive

52:23

more than like 250 or 300 miles in a week,

52:25

which sounds like it's weird because like

52:30

when I lived in Tennessee, driving

52:32

250 miles in a week could be

52:34

a really light week of driving. Here driving 250

52:36

miles a week means I went and visited somebody

52:38

in Petaluma, maybe twice. Right?

52:42

Which is a lot of traffic, it's a lot of driving

52:44

just because everything's so condensed

52:46

here. So yeah,

52:48

like I don't, everybody's different. I

52:51

wouldn't buy like a bolt that only charges at

52:53

50 kilowatts per hour and expect

52:58

to charge that on commercial charges because it'll

53:00

make you crazy. But a

53:03

more modern faster charging cars, it'd be fine,

53:05

especially if you have chargers near you. Yeah.

53:09

Let's see, a couple more

53:11

here. Alabounds. Bravenbark.

53:15

It is 5 11am and I just

53:17

found out the Cooler Master HAF XB

53:20

Evo is no longer available on Amazon

53:22

because it is old and discontinued. I

53:25

was looking to purchase one for an unraid server.

53:27

I believe this is the best case ever. It

53:29

has handles, wide stands for easy college dorm moving

53:32

while an undergrad and safer during transit, six

53:34

hard drive bays, room for fans galore. What

53:36

is your favorite case and why? Do you

53:39

have a favorite case for unsexy tucked

53:41

away home lab server stuff? Can

53:45

I shout out the Corsair carbide series,

53:47

which went the way of the dodo

53:49

earlier, I guess two years

53:52

ago. The 330R

53:54

Was a quiet mid tower, all

53:56

black, no windows, no holes. Then

54:00

grills were blocked by screen see can. Toss

54:02

them easily and get to them very very

54:04

easily. And. Had a door that

54:06

covered up the drive bays in the front so

54:09

ah yeah, they don't sell as anymore either. I'm

54:11

pumped about it. Susan would have pictures of puts

54:13

pretty similar is on the fractal offerings. Of

54:16

the define the define ones in particular it

54:18

does. It's as mean there's a pure to

54:20

time it's like though these or from the

54:22

early twenty tens when when he a black

54:24

aluminum was very was all the rage end

54:26

like it has pledged out on the back

54:28

for water cooling loops. Want to hang your

54:30

radiator off the back instead of. Far.

54:33

The Insider is yeah, whatever it's it was a

54:35

very functional mid tower there. I don't I don't

54:37

know that I can name a favorite that I

54:39

would actually like. Recommends like I favors, certain to

54:41

be the ones that I'm a soldier for. for

54:43

you know, nobody should get an answer p one

54:46

eighty anymore and that was a good case to

54:48

if you didn't find one. But man, I use

54:50

of a for like twelve years. Of

54:52

As a result, just look at

54:54

his arms. Around and pretty

54:56

happy with last couple of fractal defines what

54:59

I've used, like the absolute couple spots to

55:01

build quality is. Totally. Top Management.

55:04

Read. Pretty good design, accommodating overall.

55:07

Ah did move my ass into.

55:10

The define our six last fall. And

55:13

of put these seventy two hundred rpm dries on

55:15

a penny least sounds like I'd. Want

55:18

to stab my ears when I specs for

55:20

hims It's did like the high the I've

55:22

I've actually done many recorded and see what

55:24

frequency the home is that comes out of

55:26

the drives. He. Had to be canceled

55:28

out. It as a it is a very

55:30

specific I frequency home that is coming through

55:32

the. I think of see this as

55:35

a removable top panel for breed of the like

55:37

sand roles in Southern. Yeah I think it's the

55:39

seemed around the top. Is probably why

55:41

they're sound coming out of their says exactly

55:43

where I sit. Like. that

55:45

does here at the wine for most are

55:48

drives goes fucking the hospital pillow on top

55:50

of that know mile an hour at the

55:52

i've thought about trying to buy some aftermarket

55:54

like sound dampening to align the case further

55:57

with even though the case has some building

56:00

I don't know how effective that would actually be. I

56:03

think you're probably better off trying

56:05

to figure out how to isolate those. My

56:08

guess is that there's probably something resonating on

56:10

the hard drives to the case that's making

56:12

it louder than it would be otherwise. That

56:14

is a few places like rubber grommets or

56:16

something or put a little rubber shim in

56:18

between the drives and the bays. That

56:21

might help. They are all on grommets, so I

56:23

don't know if. Yeah, there's something

56:25

about because I was not hearing this with the same

56:27

drives in my old case. The real

56:29

solution is to move somewhere else where I can put

56:31

that computer in a room where I don't sit. Yeah,

56:34

my NASA is in the garage. I only hear when

56:36

I'm out working on laundry and it turns out it's

56:38

fine. That's it. Home servers belong in the

56:40

basement. Yeah. I wish I had a basement.

56:42

Is what I say. Basement would be

56:44

cool. Yes. Let's

56:47

see. There is a question here

56:50

from Warbird that I wanted

56:52

to read if I could find it. Did

56:54

we congratulate the person who said they built their first

56:56

PC at the start of the show? I did. Okay.

57:00

Congratulations. That's awesome, by the way.

57:02

I think I forgot to say that. I meant

57:04

to say that and that's rad. I'm always glad

57:06

when somebody who builds a PC. That's fantastic. That

57:08

is exciting. You've entered a larger world. Although actually,

57:10

I mean, not to get all next lander over

57:13

here. We were talking about Phil Spencer's GDC interview

57:15

with Polygon this week and

57:17

they linked to a study that

57:19

like a big part of the reason the consoles are

57:21

dying effectively is because everybody under the age of 21

57:24

just uses PCs now. Yeah, this

57:26

is funny. I had a conversation at other places

57:29

too. Yeah, like it's crazy to think back to

57:31

the like early Steam days, the PC games are

57:33

dying era, you know?

57:36

Yeah, you should consult. How

57:39

thoroughly the PC has won in the end.

57:42

I mean, the PC won't win until

57:45

Mario's releasing Nintendo games on Steam. I suppose

57:47

that's true, but that's the last holdout. Well,

57:49

it's going to be PCs and Switch. It's

57:51

going to be PCs and Nintendo at

57:54

the end of the full line. I don't know.

57:56

I feel like I feel like Sony's going to keep selling PlayStations

57:58

for a minute. They'll

58:00

be fine for a while, but it still is still crazy

58:02

to me to think that Specifically

58:05

that demographic the younger demographic is all in

58:07

on the computer My daughter has a switch

58:09

and is at a PC. That's all she

58:12

needs. I often heard a full-ass Xbox and

58:14

she's like now I'm good Dad. Yep. Yep

58:18

All right question from warbird With

58:21

the new focus of Microsoft on having their

58:23

games run in more places the ongoing success

58:25

of Sony properties on PC And

58:28

the continued efforts of the proton team to get apps

58:30

not made for Linux to play nice on the steam

58:32

deck Do we think Mac OS

58:34

may ever see first-class support, but they don't have

58:36

to pay for Which

58:38

is to ask do we think that all the work being

58:40

done to make everything run on mostly everything else? Will

58:43

result in the opportunity cost in doing Mac

58:45

ports being low enough that more companies

58:47

will bother So

58:50

I don't think people are going to

58:52

do Mac ports, but I think that what will happen It's

58:55

probably is already happy. We don't even I don't even know about

58:57

it, but I bet that there's a proton fork or Mac

59:00

I think if if Apple

59:02

was still on x86 This

59:06

would have already happened. It would be done But

59:08

you know armed to x86

59:10

to Windows to Linux to Mac is

59:12

like maybe one jump further than

59:14

it's gonna be easy For the time being that's

59:16

exactly what I was gonna say like the you

59:18

know the DXV K stuff you see on people

59:21

Step back the thing with Linux and Windows going from Windows to

59:23

Linux is you're still on the same hardware So

59:26

yeah same box you're just running a different

59:28

operating system, but with Mac's being universally arm-based

59:30

these days Yeah, like the machine code translation

59:33

as you see with

59:35

Rosetta has got performance and like battery, you know

59:38

power usage implications I

59:40

think that's probably Asking a little bit

59:42

much that said Not only are

59:44

you not wrong that Apple has something like that like it's

59:46

known it's been out there This

59:48

got announced during WWDC last

59:51

year last summer the

59:53

game porting toolkit Remember

59:55

this. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it is. I don't

59:58

know if it incorporates proton or it might

1:00:00

be wine. I

1:00:02

would probably wine. Yes, it is

1:00:05

wine. In fact, would have been early.

1:00:07

Well, maybe not. They did not

1:00:09

work with code weavers. But

1:00:13

they were involved in some anyway. I don't remember

1:00:16

all the details, but like Apple, Apple does have

1:00:18

some like middleware stuff out there for

1:00:20

people to potentially try to get games brought

1:00:23

over. So maybe we've talked

1:00:25

about this before, but like adding new

1:00:27

skews to games to support is a...

1:00:30

I didn't fully appreciate how time consuming

1:00:33

and expensive it is until

1:00:35

I actually started working on the game

1:00:37

studio and I was like, oh God, when we had

1:00:39

an Epic build, we gotta add

1:00:41

more build servers, which is gonna get more licenses for

1:00:43

these five things, which is gonna cost us X number

1:00:45

of thousand dollars for the year. And

1:00:48

when you're looking at like the success

1:00:50

of PC games ported to Mac, and

1:00:52

they're selling like tens of

1:00:54

hundreds of copies, it

1:00:57

will literally take something somebody

1:01:00

has to build a market there. And I

1:01:02

think it has to be Apple because they're gonna

1:01:04

have to subsidize. Like if only Apple had money

1:01:06

to subsidize games, if they cared about games on

1:01:10

their Mac platform, we would probably have

1:01:12

games on the Mac. Like

1:01:14

Valve has effectively subsidized games on Linux by building

1:01:16

the Steam Deck and making it fucking rad. Yeah,

1:01:19

and putting a lot of work into Proton

1:01:21

and stuff like that. An insane amount of work

1:01:23

into Proton and DXVK and all the stuff around

1:01:25

that. Yeah. Let's

1:01:28

do two more real quick ones and then get out of here. Question

1:01:32

from Cake Batter. Cake

1:01:36

Batter, eh? Yes. Sorry, I

1:01:38

had to pull it up real quick. You ever

1:01:40

wonder what antivirus software would be like if John

1:01:42

McAfee wasn't a weird criminal who fled to a

1:01:44

country with no extradition treaty and lived on a

1:01:46

yacht and then died? No.

1:01:50

You're good. I mean,

1:01:52

he was not involved with the antivirus

1:01:54

software for a decade by the time all that happened.

1:01:56

Yeah, he divested, didn't he? He just got rich and

1:01:58

went off to him with... to Intel or somebody

1:02:00

I think, right? With his vision quest, who owns

1:02:03

McAfee? I don't know. It

1:02:05

went to Intel, I think, for a minute. I don't know who owns

1:02:07

it now. I feel like in

1:02:11

a weird way, Microsoft kind

1:02:13

of Sherlock'd antivirus for Windows

1:02:15

because Defender is real good. Yes, and I

1:02:17

could not be happier that they did that.

1:02:19

I know they should. They should have done

1:02:22

that probably sooner. It's entirely appropriate

1:02:24

that they went and built their own solution for

1:02:26

that because their platform

1:02:28

lives and dies by its security integrity, right?

1:02:30

Yeah, and the other ones universally

1:02:33

sucked in some important way. Yeah, I

1:02:35

don't even think about it anymore. Defender

1:02:37

just kind of does its thing. I

1:02:39

will, if I'm downloading something, I'm like, oh man, this is

1:02:42

questionable. I check and make sure Defender is updated and then

1:02:44

I right click and scan it. Yes, 100%. Speaking

1:02:47

of screensavers, I found the

1:02:50

classic Starfield simulation. Oh, hell yeah. I

1:02:53

went and got a 4K video of that and used that

1:02:55

as my stream background now. That's amazing.

1:02:57

Which gets comments every week. Windows

1:03:01

even have screensavers built in anymore? Yeah, it's got

1:03:03

a few. That one is not in there. But

1:03:06

it's got... Mystify

1:03:08

is still in there, the 3D

1:03:10

text one. Remember that old OpenGL 3D text screensaver?

1:03:13

Oh, yeah. That

1:03:15

one is still in there. That's a banger. Hang

1:03:18

on, let me pull it up. There's like five more

1:03:20

in the seats. Okay, so when I open this up,

1:03:22

the preview window, which I think just took a screenshot

1:03:24

of what was on my desktop at the time and

1:03:26

then put it on a 4x3, what looks like CRT

1:03:28

frame. So

1:03:31

it's all squished in because I have a 16x9 monitor. It's

1:03:34

amazing. Yes, pretty good. Also, the Windows

1:03:36

screensaver dialogue is the same as it

1:03:38

has been since. At least Windows 95, if

1:03:40

not 3.1. I think this

1:03:42

is Windows... I think this is Windows 95. I don't know. This doesn't

1:03:44

look like a Windows 3.1. Like the little

1:03:46

preview window is still CRT. Oh,

1:03:50

ribbons, man. Ribbons, bubbles, mystify,

1:03:52

photos, and 3D text. R0.

1:03:55

That's all that's left. This brings me back. I

1:03:57

use mystify. If

1:04:00

you're curious. Anyway, the reason I brought that up was I went

1:04:03

out and found some Some

1:04:05

much more advanced new starfield simulation screensaver

1:04:07

than some guy wrote in dotnet But

1:04:11

it's not hosted on github. It's

1:04:13

not a boy thing remotely reputable It is on

1:04:15

a very like 20 year old looking website that

1:04:17

he posted it on Then I

1:04:19

thought are you because that's always a good sign? No,

1:04:21

but then I clicked I click back to the root

1:04:23

page And like there's a bunch of like Somewhat

1:04:27

extreme political screeds in between software

1:04:29

is posted you should go work

1:04:31

for Basecamp and I Have

1:04:35

not I have yet to run It's a really cool

1:04:37

starfield simulation thing, but I have yet to run it

1:04:39

and I guess I Defendered the hell out of that

1:04:41

thing when I download All

1:04:44

right last email I'm assuming you have it I've

1:04:47

never crimped a cable in my life, but I

1:04:49

know you you bolded this so you must have

1:04:51

an opinion Oh, I have one more I want

1:04:53

to do to then. Oh, okay. Well before what's

1:04:55

what's yours then? I'm a hundred percent. Oh you

1:04:57

want to do mine first, okay? Defectus

1:05:00

wants to know do you wear shoes inside the

1:05:02

house apartment if so why? You're

1:05:04

across the pond It's not very common and the common

1:05:07

perception is that all Americans wear shoes indoors last

1:05:09

time I asked the question on the internet I got because

1:05:11

it's my goddamn right as an answer which is

1:05:14

good and all but hoping to get a more

1:05:16

insightful answer from you guys I'm

1:05:18

guessing we have very similar answers because we're from we

1:05:20

are from the same part of the country and now

1:05:22

both live In the same part of the country it

1:05:24

was not ever exposed to taking your shoes off in

1:05:27

the house until I moved to California Yeah, no like

1:05:29

where where we are both from people just wear shoes

1:05:32

in the house constantly, but I don't they don't live

1:05:34

in cities Well, I'm not

1:05:36

not defending it to be clear. I'm not defending

1:05:38

it. I think it's terrible. I like every time

1:05:40

every time I go home now I feel weird

1:05:43

as hell It's why

1:05:45

I've got a good feelings on this There's

1:05:47

a cultural component here because my understanding is that

1:05:49

it like the reason people in California are

1:05:51

often Not shoe wears in the house

1:05:54

is because we have a lot of people from Asia that

1:05:56

live here Yes, and it is it is a taking your

1:05:58

shoes off in the house like this There's a

1:06:00

whole mechanism, there's like shoe racks in the whole

1:06:02

nine yards by the door often. In

1:06:05

fact, actually a lot of our houses here even have like little nooks

1:06:07

where you can put the shoe rack where it lives outside, like in

1:06:11

Sunset House. A lot of the Sunset Houses are just

1:06:13

built that way. Yeah, mud rooms. Yeah.

1:06:18

I have had a dog in the house for a

1:06:20

pretty big chunk of the last 20 years. And

1:06:24

I feel like if the dog's walking around outside and

1:06:26

has to, gets to keep her feet gone, it doesn't

1:06:28

really do a whole lot of good for me to

1:06:30

take my shoes off. Sure. And I

1:06:32

have arch problems, so I often have to wear something with

1:06:34

arch support in the house or else I'll hurt my feet.

1:06:37

But yeah, I think not wearing shoes in the

1:06:39

house is nice. Yes. I fully

1:06:41

agree. Yes, we are a strict no shoes in the house.

1:06:43

House here. I

1:06:45

feel like I would have more slip ons though. Yeah,

1:06:48

I have some now. I've got, there's a pair of flip

1:06:50

flops and a pair of slip on, laceless sketches right by

1:06:52

the door. Well, hold on. Are your

1:06:54

flip flops all, do you have, do you have like inside

1:06:56

the house shoes too though or just walk around socks all

1:06:58

day? Bare barefoot. I would, I would,

1:07:00

A, my feet would be freezing cold all

1:07:03

the time and B, I would have herdy

1:07:05

feet. Yeah, I don't

1:07:07

know. I love being barefoot. I love it.

1:07:09

I have inside the house slippers and I also have

1:07:11

some slippers that I wear outside the house sometimes. I

1:07:14

have taken the dog out. Yeah. Some,

1:07:16

some house slippers would probably be nice. Um, but

1:07:18

yeah, like for me, it's not a grossest thing.

1:07:20

It's just like, you know, I'm not eating off

1:07:22

the floor. Yeah. And

1:07:25

I live in San Francisco. Like for me, it is

1:07:27

largely a grossness thing. Fair.

1:07:29

Spending enough time walking around here and you'll be

1:07:31

like, you know what? I probably shouldn't wear these

1:07:33

shoes I'm wearing on this sidewalk in my house.

1:07:35

Yeah. I mean, the, was that poo or

1:07:37

something else? The answer of either of those questions is it's bad.

1:07:39

You don't want to have it in your house. And I think

1:07:42

that goes for really any major city. I

1:07:44

think that's probably true. I see Seattle and

1:07:46

Vancouver both seem very clean. Yeah. All

1:07:48

right. Last question. Okay. I

1:07:51

don't have an answer for this, but you bolded it. So neuroflare,

1:07:54

what's the official tech pod, twisted pair

1:07:56

termination standard T five, six, eight,

1:07:59

eight or T five. This is a strict

1:08:01

G568A podcast. Okay.

1:08:05

Do you have any, is there a rationale for that

1:08:07

that I can cite? The rationale

1:08:09

is that when I set it up, I didn't know

1:08:11

what the difference in them was when I did my

1:08:13

first cables. So I just did whatever the A1 was

1:08:15

because that seemed like the right one. And

1:08:17

it has to match both ends, I'm sure. Both ends have

1:08:19

to match, but you can mix and match A and B

1:08:21

cables and they'll work fine. I see. I

1:08:24

did not know when I did

1:08:27

that, I've re-terminated some ends a few years ago, a

1:08:29

year and a half ago I guess now, and

1:08:32

I had to open up the wall to look and

1:08:34

see what I'd done because I could not remember. So

1:08:37

now I've written it down and it's written on

1:08:39

a post-it note that's attached to the switch in

1:08:41

the garage. So I'll remember. That's good. For

1:08:44

future cables. This is going to be one of the

1:08:46

things where like 50 years from now, whoever buys your house

1:08:48

is going to be remodeling and they're going

1:08:50

to knock a wall down and find where you've

1:08:53

wrote the termination standard for

1:08:55

the network cables on the inside of a wall or something.

1:08:58

Nope. I'm not going to tell them they have to figure it out

1:09:00

like I did. Yeah. So

1:09:03

yeah, that's just the like wiring diagram.

1:09:05

It's just which colors go to which

1:09:07

terminals basically, right? Yeah. So

1:09:09

when you do, we talked about the network episode

1:09:11

a little bit last week, but when you do,

1:09:13

whether you're crimping a cable or putting a pushdown

1:09:15

connector on a socket, there are

1:09:18

two basic standards. And the

1:09:20

idea is that either for

1:09:22

T568A, green and

1:09:24

white is one, green is two, orange

1:09:26

and white is three, blue

1:09:29

solid is four, blue and white is

1:09:31

five, six is orange, seven is

1:09:33

brown and white and eight is brown. Yeah.

1:09:36

The blue eyes, I'm looking at this, the blues and orange, sorry,

1:09:39

the blues and browns never move. It's

1:09:41

just all it does is invert the greens and oranges. Yeah. The

1:09:43

greens and the oranges are the only ones

1:09:45

that carry the data on

1:09:48

most ethernet also. That makes sense. So

1:09:51

yeah, all you're doing is switching the, switching

1:09:53

the, which ones are

1:09:55

which are the greens and the oranges. And

1:09:59

So, yeah, that's it. That said, It has

1:10:01

to do with the. The all the all

1:10:03

the different pairs or the colored pairs

1:10:05

or twisted together a different ratios and

1:10:07

that that has to. that's if you

1:10:09

want to make a know all. Along

1:10:11

with the called not a not a know

1:10:13

about I'm Cables. It's an anomaly on cable.

1:10:15

Know that's a serial cable Mj, I'm It's

1:10:17

a crossover table as with Com House or

1:10:20

that else or the new Just Switch. One

1:10:22

airs on one end so what and is a in

1:10:24

one end to speak but you don't really have to

1:10:26

do anymore Says must either at fire. Eating.

1:10:28

At devices are automatically crossover if it detects the

1:10:31

you have a not a crossover cable. Bad.

1:10:34

To sign up on the under. Keep talking

1:10:36

For second, though, I feel like this is

1:10:38

probably a pretty good time for me to

1:10:40

talk about. The. Fact that you

1:10:42

should use ports instead of using

1:10:44

plugs. We can because it's better

1:10:47

and easier. And

1:10:49

I think our on that is as

1:10:51

good a place as any to to

1:10:53

call it an episode. Mr. Shoemaker know

1:10:55

I would revamp. I feel aggrieved turned

1:10:57

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1:10:59

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Would I would love to know from our listeners

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that'll do it for us this week. We will be back next week

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with another edition of the TechPod. I think we know what we're going

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that's actually a good point. Then we really will hold

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was like, I need to start reading about this. And

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I couldn't remember which one and you were streaming. So

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I didn't want to bug you. But anyway, that'll

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share some knowledge. Hey

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folks, Brad come to you here

1:14:48

from the future. At

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least the future since we recorded this episode

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with a little addendum because some of our

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episode plans actually are a little bit in

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flux since we recorded this. Two notes. The

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big one that we forgot to mention is I think

1:15:03

we've alluded to this in the past, but we will

1:15:05

definitely be doing an episode on Pirates

1:15:07

of Silicon Valley, the 1999 made for

1:15:10

TV classic about the early days

1:15:12

of Apple and Microsoft. Noah

1:15:15

Wiley as Steve Jobs and I

1:15:17

believe Anthony Michael Hall of Breakfast Club

1:15:19

fame as Bill Gates if you haven't

1:15:21

seen it. It's a certified banger and

1:15:24

it's on archive.org. It's not easy to find

1:15:26

on streaming. It got very limited home video

1:15:28

releases. It was made for cable

1:15:30

as I said it originally aired on the TNT

1:15:32

network. But anyway, it is on archive.org and I

1:15:34

will link that movie in the show notes for

1:15:36

this. We are talking about

1:15:38

doing that movie for the episode that

1:15:41

will run on April 21st. It

1:15:44

might be the 14th. We're not quite

1:15:46

sure yet, but I wanted to

1:15:48

give people a heads up so they'd have fun to

1:15:50

watch it in advance. It'll be the 14th or the

1:15:52

21st. That will probably be recording

1:15:54

that. Also next week

1:15:56

might not be home video formats because this

1:15:58

insane security breach has happened in the

1:16:00

open source world with XZ, the

1:16:03

compression utility, lib LZMA,

1:16:05

big compression library that basically every

1:16:07

Linux sister on the planet depends

1:16:09

on and there has been a

1:16:11

completely insane backdoor that has been

1:16:13

discovered that may have been implanted

1:16:15

by a nation state actor. This

1:16:17

is shaping up to be maybe

1:16:19

the biggest backdoor

1:16:21

security breach in

1:16:23

modern history or at least it's really up there. It's

1:16:26

a crazy story. We might do the episode next

1:16:28

week about that or maybe the week after depending

1:16:30

on what further news and evidence comes

1:16:32

to light on that subject as people

1:16:34

dig into it. So yeah, anyway, source

1:16:37

security breaches, home video formats, the Pirates

1:16:39

of Silicon Valley, there's the next like

1:16:41

three weeks of TechPods coming at you.

1:16:44

Thanks for listening. Bye.