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Welcome to brain Stuff, a production of iHeart
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Radio, Hey
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brain Stuff Lauren Vogelbaum. Here in
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June, the remains of
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what was believed to be an Alisaurus
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were sold to the highest bidder for over two
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million dollars at the Augot auction house
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in Paris, France. Nearly
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thirty ft or nine meters long and
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complete, it's valuable in more ways
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than one. Like all fossils,
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these bones are ambassadors from an earlier
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time. The creature they belonged to drew
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its last breath in Wyoming a hundred and
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fifty million years ago. It was a
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different world back then. Earth was considerably
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warmer, and most mammals were rabbit
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sized or smaller. Auction
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houses no, there are plenty of buyers who will pay
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top dollar to own a rare and scientifically
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significant piece of prehistory. Agot
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sold the skeleton of another meat eating dino for
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three point two million dollars in and
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has fetched over six hundred and forty thousand
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for a complete William Myth, and
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those sums look like pocket change next to
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the eight point three six million that
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the Chicago Field Museum and several corporate
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partners paid back in for
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sue the most complete Tyrrenosaurs
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rex ever found. But
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wait a minute, how does one come to own
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a fossil that you can sell to the
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highest bidder? We spoke
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with P. David Pauli, a professor
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of geology at Indiana University and past
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president of the International Society for Vertebrate
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Paleontology. He explained
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that laws vary from country to country, but
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in the United States, fossils that are discovered
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on federal land are considered public
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property quote they're
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held in trust on our behalf by the US federal
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government. The Paleontological Resources
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Prevention Act, which was passed by Congress in two
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thousand nine, stipulates that scientifically
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important fossils can only be collected
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with a scientific permit and must be placed
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in an approved repository, that
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is, a research collection of a museum or
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university, where they will be available
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to scientists and other interested people. Note
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here that Native American land is exempted
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according to the Federal Register. Fossil collecting
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on this soil falls under the jurisdiction of
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tribal authorities, and
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the Act is a bit more lenient when it comes to
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common plant and invertebrate fossils like
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trilobites. Private citizens
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are allowed to collect those for personal use
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in reasonable quantities on federal land
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without a permit. However, any
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fossils taken from federally owned rock
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may not be bartered or sold later. Note
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that special rules may apply to certain
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remains in locations. For example,
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it's a misdemeanor to collect petrified wood
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in Arizona's Petrified Forest National
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Park. If you've got any questions
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about the rules in your area, you should get in touch
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with the closest Bureau of Land Management office.
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Polly noted. Some US states, such as
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Wyoming in California, have similar
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laws protecting fossils on state lands,
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but across the country, fossils
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discovered on private property belong to
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the landowner. This isn't
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true around the world. In countries like Mongolia,
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dinosaur fossils are considered to be part of the
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nation's shared cultural heritage, regardless
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of where they're found. As such,
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they can't be sold in private markets, and
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personal ownership of these remains is against
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the law. Actor Nicholas
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Cage of all people now knows a thing or two about
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Mongolia's strict fossil laws. In
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two thousand seven, the skull of an Asian
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tyrannosaur went up for auction. Cage
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bought it for two hundred seventy six thousand dollars,
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outbidding fellow movie star Leonardo DiCaprio
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when he learned that the fossil had been illegally poached
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from Mongolia, though Cage agreed to repatriate
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it back to its native land. But
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if you, as a resident of the United
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States, find the remains of a dinosaur
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on American real estate that you own,
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you can legally keep it, sell it,
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or export it. The question
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is should you that
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carnivorous dino that changed hands in
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Rris was excavated
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from private land between
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Upon learning that a goot plan to auction it
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off, the Society for Vertebrate Paleontology
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wrote an open letter begging the organization
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to cancel the sale. A goot sold
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it anyway. The buyer's identity
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wasn't made public, but they stated that the bones
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would be loaned out to a museum at some point
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so that researchers would get the chance to study
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them, and they followed up on that
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promise. As of May nineteen,
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the Royal Belgian Institute of Natural Sciences
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and Brussels premiered the specimen, which
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they studied and determined to be a new Alosaurus
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species that they've named Arcane.
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That follow through is a huge relief.
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Peer review is an important facet of paleontology.
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If one dinosaur expert writes something about
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a particular fossil, their colleagues
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need to be able to go back and inspect the specimen
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for themselves. Doing so requires
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guaranteed access to the remains, something
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private fossil owners may choose to
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with hold, and
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geological context is another thing to consider.
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The rock in which a fossil is found is just as
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important as the fossil itself. To
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figure out how old a specimen is or what
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its environment looked like, we need to know
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exactly where it came from. Private
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fossil buyers might be unable to provide
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this information. Then
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there's the small matter of museum budgets.
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Universities and public museums frequently
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can't afford to meet some of the high prices
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that have been set by auctioneers and fossil dealers.
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In the wake of Sue's blockbuster sale,
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Polly said almost everybody
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has gotten excited at one time or another about
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the massive dinosaurs that once walked the earth.
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That inspiration comes directly from the fact
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that many of them were carefully excavated,
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placed in public trust repositories, and
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become part of the scientific record. Unfortunately,
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that same excitement can make people want to
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have one of their own. It
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is true that fossil sales people have
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made some major contributions to paleontology.
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Just look at Mary Anning, an English
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seller of priest org treasures, who discovered
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extinct marine reptiles like please a Saurus.
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Regardless, Polly and many of his
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fellow scientists worry that countries
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that don't commit to putting their important fossils
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in public trust where anyone can study
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them are forfeiting a gold mine
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of knowledge. He said, fossils
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are not like works of art. They weren't created
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to be high priced collector's items. They're
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rare remnants of our past that are important
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to us all. Today's
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episode was written by Mark Mancini and produced by
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Tyler Clang. For more on this and lots of
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