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Hi. I'm Claudine, and I'm Benavie and

0:43

welcome to Brenda, call

0:45

me. Before we get started,

0:47

we want to acknowledge the traditional owners

0:49

of land we are recording the getty go

0:51

people of the the coronation.

0:53

Brenda, it's your birthday. Happy

0:57

birthday. day to you.

1:00

Happy birthday to you.

1:03

We're not allowed to like candles

1:05

in the studio. video. Happy

1:09

birthday to you.

1:12

Imagine your candles.

1:16

Which which country?

1:17

Oh. What do you call the day

1:19

Brenda? Oh. I love you.

1:21

No. All thinking flowers. you wanna touch

1:23

in.

1:24

these flowers, when I bought them, they were

1:26

all like tight and cute because normally

1:28

when flowers look like

1:29

this, they're like about to end. Yeah.

1:31

But

1:31

at this shop, they reflex

1:34

he called it. Like, they they make them bloom,

1:36

but they're like brand new. So they'll last a long

1:39

time. Does that make sense? That does make sense. Other

1:41

subly. Oh, beautiful. Thank you, brother.

1:43

Beautiful. I am going away

1:45

tomorrow, so I'll have them with you.

1:47

Take them with me. Put them in the back of the car.

1:49

Lilly, but eat them whilst you drive.

1:51

Can we have some of the cake? Oh,

1:54

I haven't had breakfast. That's why I'm so hungry.

1:56

Mhmm. Hey, smart.

2:01

I

2:03

don't want anymore now. You want anymore? I

2:05

will after. Okay. it for Ron. Let's

2:08

take it for Ron. Last time you want him, that

2:10

makes me feel very special. That's

2:12

funny. It's one of those it's one of those off years,

2:14

you know. It's like forty four. celebrate forty

2:16

five. But when I turned forty, I

2:18

said to myself, you know what? because, you know, you celebrate

2:20

your big birthdays, really the important ones, and

2:22

then all the in between. I'm like, you know, I'm getting

2:24

old now. The birthdays are in decline.

2:26

Like, the amount that I'm going to have.

2:29

So let's celebrate every year. Do you

2:31

think you've got less birthdays

2:34

left than ever before?

2:36

Oh, god. I hope so. Well,

2:38

well, What about eighty eight? I don't think I can make

2:40

it eighty eight. No. I don't. Where

2:42

do you reckon do I get to? I'm

2:44

just eating cake. I'm

2:47

using I'm using a soft button, though.

2:49

How about you just wait?

2:52

So we

2:53

have a conversation. No. Don't understand that.

2:55

Okay. Look,

2:57

I mean, it's at the fear of sounding

3:00

a just, which I don't want to, and I'm

3:02

not. Like, my own seventy next

3:04

year. And and I like,

3:06

I would hate. I would love for her. I

3:08

guess it's the same way you think about me talking

3:10

about, you know, happy to to

3:12

go at any point. You're like, no. What you around for a

3:14

long time. I want my mom around for a long time. So

3:16

seventy to me doesn't sound

3:19

too old for my mom. Like want her to be

3:21

around for a long time. But for me, I

3:23

don't know. We'll see. We'll see. You don't wanna make a

3:25

pass seventy?

3:26

ah

3:28

I don't wanna make a pass yesterday, but Here

3:30

I am. Well,

3:33

I'm glad. Thank

3:35

you. I'm happy to be here. I'm happy

3:37

to be here. It's a yeah.

3:39

It's a funny thing. So I I'm not celebrating really

3:42

this year. I'd be like but

3:44

I am going home to mom. to

3:46

my mummies because I haven't spent

3:48

a birthday an actual birthday with her

3:51

since I was nineteen. And she visited me

3:53

when I first moved out of home and she came to my house.

3:56

and that's when I was smoking a lot of

3:58

marijuana with my with my flatmate

4:00

at the time. And I was having

4:02

a birthday bomb and she was in the

4:04

in the living room and something we're

4:06

in a bedroom having a birthday bomb. And

4:08

and and she comes in. It was

4:10

nineteen. Like, you know, it was the nineties,

4:12

you know, it's like, you know, it's when you're young.

4:15

And And she comes in. She's like, oh, we're

4:17

we're gonna go. And I'm like, oh, why?

4:19

Like, smell of marijuana to the whole house. And

4:21

my little sister was there. And she's like, yeah. We're gonna

4:23

go. Okay. Thanks for coming down by.

4:26

I haven't spent a birthday with

4:28

her. She came to my fortieth. She came down to celebrate

4:30

my fortieth birthday with me. I had a big dinner.

4:33

but I actually celebrated the actual day

4:35

in Bali with friends. So it's like

4:37

so you should you know what you should

4:39

you should take a bong to your mums. So you can do a

4:42

birthday bong again in her home. Oh

4:44

my god. I could think of nothing worse. Oh

4:46

my god. Yeah. The thought of it gives

4:48

me the even knowing I used

4:50

to do it. Don't know. No. So I and

4:52

mom's like, what do you wanna do? What do we what do you want for your

4:54

birthday? Like, nothing, mom. Like, don't and

4:56

she and it's the same story. It's like every gene

4:59

sis on biomi and present. My my mama, I'm an

5:01

adult. I can afford it by my own presence. And

5:03

the things that I really want, I

5:04

don't want you to pay for, like, you know, they're

5:07

they're they're you know, I need

5:08

a I need a new pair of sunglasses. I'm not gonna

5:10

make her pay five hundred dollars for a new pair of sunglasses. nine

5:12

hundred dollars for sunglasses. Oh, for nice ones,

5:14

they don't have to be five hundred dollars. Jesus.

5:16

My last ones are five hundred dollars, but all Gucci,

5:18

really beautiful. And then last week, that was my my present

5:20

to myself, my forty that though. And

5:23

this year, I definitely need to get

5:25

new sunglasses because they are Are

5:27

they the ones that are rising?

5:29

Yeah. Yeah. And the look at cataracts. Yeah. So

5:31

I need to get new ones. But anyway, I'm really

5:33

looking forward to going to my mommy's. I'm having

5:35

a wake up there and just a little bit. Take a

5:37

little bit. said a little bit of, like,

5:39

last night, I just said, two

5:41

two sleeps. We're gonna see many. Did

5:44

she did she answer the question? She reacted.

5:46

She was like, But III think

5:48

when when I say I'm gonna

5:50

see Doesn't matter who it is. She just

5:52

knows she's get like, you know, someone she's gonna see

5:54

someone. So I'm a bit

5:56

yeah, but it's exciting. I do remember mom

5:59

because I was calling I'm not sure if I spoke about this in the but

6:02

but I was referring to

6:04

my mom as a little bit snanny

6:06

because that's mom's known mom's nanny

6:08

to the grandkids. And and mom's

6:10

like, oh, god. It's Why

6:12

why are you saying that at the door? I was like, you know, like, I'm like, so I

6:14

was like, getting any getting any, I'm

6:16

like, mom. This is the only grandchild

6:18

you're gonna get from me. Well, you got tired. but

6:20

that's different. But but, you know, this

6:22

is this is as close as I'm gonna get to

6:24

be able to use the word nanny

6:26

in a personal way. So can you just give

6:28

me that? Is that okay? She's

6:32

your daughter. She's my daughter. Yes.

6:34

She is. Oh,

6:34

lovely. Yeah. Well, thanks,

6:35

Brenda. That's really that's really thoughtful of you.

6:38

always feel guilty when people give

6:40

me gifts for presents because I'm so

6:42

self absorbed. I don't I I don't even know how to

6:44

buy presents for other people. Well, I don't

6:46

ever buy presents for anybody. The last time I

6:48

bought a present was for you for your fortieth

6:50

birthday, I think. Yeah. I didn't know if you were sending me a

6:52

subtle hint last night when you messaged about

6:54

the Jo Malone Rose Moisturazer

6:57

going. Just so you remember, it's my birthday

6:59

this week. No. That

7:01

wasn't a subtle hint at all. It was a little bit.

7:03

They worked. Good. You've got it the

7:05

calendar now, Javier? Yeah. Your birthday's on Wednesday.

7:07

Yesterday, if you're listening to this. Yes. It's

7:09

twenty twenty eight to eight hundred bar. You

7:13

you still don't know, really. I don't even know what day

7:15

it is. Twenty eight.

7:17

Two years before thirty. Twenty eight

7:19

September. Yeah. And you must be a labor because

7:21

Adores' birthday is the day after yours

7:23

and as we know from Jibrate. She's

7:25

a Libra. Yeah. I'm a Libra. I'm a

7:27

quintessential Libra as well. Creative, the

7:29

most feminine of all the star signs

7:31

and the most creative, you know, and artistic

7:34

and the most indecisive. Mhmm.

7:36

Yeah. Yeah. They're speaking of birthdays.

7:38

We're not birthdays, but, you know, events.

7:40

Oh, yes. Maxie and I are celebrating

7:43

our twenty five years in Dragon, silver

7:46

lee. Oh. And so this week, we have announced

7:49

our silver ghibli tour --

7:51

Oh. -- which is a great exciting positioning for Sydney

7:53

at Leiden Melbourne. Lovely. So

7:55

the dates are it's it's it's not

7:57

Brisbane. No. Not Brisbane just yet, but like

7:59

we don't we're gonna test the waters. It's just a start.

8:01

It's not no. We just wanna do something fun to

8:03

commemorate You know what I mean? Paul. So

8:05

poor, hot, hot camera. Yeah.

8:07

Paul, warmongong. Paul, warmongong. I'll never

8:09

know. Paul, Newcastle. Yeah. They can

8:11

drive. They can drive. They can drive to

8:13

Sydney. Catch the bus. I caught the plastic camera

8:15

once. I met a boy at

8:17

Fair Day. Oh, yeah. We fell in love. Wow.

8:21

Mobby

8:21

put us in a cab to go home and

8:23

we go back to my place. I was in drag and

8:25

then it was like awkward because we'd soap it

8:27

up. and then I went and had a shower and then we fell in

8:29

love. And then he had to go back to Cambria the next day because

8:31

he was flying back to England. And so I

8:33

caught the bus to Cambria and went flying

8:35

back to England via Cambria, because he

8:37

was from Cambra, so he's gonna see his family. Oh,

8:39

okay. So he, like, got, like, a cheap

8:41

motel in Cambra and, like,

8:43

felt so, like, It was like the idea of two thousand

8:45

and one or two or I don't know. I was

8:47

wearing a yellow. So I remember what

8:49

I was wearing that year was fair say it

8:51

was a Dallas yellow bando

8:54

bikini with like a yellow

8:55

single

8:56

Georgia sort of drape or a single chiffon

8:59

yellow drape thing and I think I even have

9:01

those, some of those yellow kitten

9:03

heels. Yeah. That were,

9:05

like, a little clear. I don't know. Whether yours

9:07

is worth it. I don't like maxis.

9:09

They're mine. Now they could How do they fit

9:11

me? How do they fit? Well, they, like, put, like, clear

9:13

strap but, like, yellow, perspexy

9:15

kind of, like Yeah. And they had,

9:17

like, like, a one or two

9:19

inch heel. because remember that year, I went to

9:21

Mardi Gras, the girl who picked up all the streams at the end

9:23

of the party. No. Well,

9:25

that's all we decided the outfit was

9:27

after the fact. And then I I wore,

9:29

like, knee high stage suede

9:31

boots, and I was like interviewing people on the

9:33

parade route. And then I got to my diagram, my

9:35

figure was so sore, and so I left. And you

9:37

said, oh, I've got a pair of shoes at my house.

9:39

and I went back to your house on Crown Street and found

9:41

these yellow curtain heels. And I came back

9:43

to Mardi Gras and I wore your little yellow curtain

9:45

heels on that. Anyway, Okay, Chris. Back to your

9:47

Silver Jubilee. Silver Jubilee. So we're Maxi

9:49

and I are doing a little tour.

9:51

We're gonna be in Melbourne at Chases on

9:53

the second of December. We're

9:55

gonna be at Mary's Poppins

9:58

at on Saturday the third

10:00

of December, not speaking to you with Molly

10:02

Poppins. No. home. And then we're going to be at

10:04

Beresford on the fourth in Sydney. And you're

10:06

gonna perform. I am. You do a number. You

10:08

usually write me wrong. A minute. If you can find it.

10:10

Yeah. If can find it. the

10:12

wengie remix -- Yeah. -- have it have diomed

10:14

wengie to hire your gravy, has it?

10:16

Yep. I'm sure. When is it? So the date

10:18

of birth? fourth of December, which is

10:20

the Sydney Sydney one. Okay. Some No.

10:22

No. My my hard drives might be

10:24

here by then. I reckon it's on a hard drive that I'm

10:26

that's on a slow boat from China. Oh, yeah.

10:29

Yeah. Have from London. Yeah. It's

10:31

exciting. It's it's something that, like, you know, we we wanna

10:33

commemorate. Kinda like, you know, I've said many times,

10:35

like, you know, doing any job for twenty

10:37

five years is a fee You would get

10:39

a long service label here, because I'll get a

10:41

watch. You get a watch. a company? Maybe a

10:43

pen. Maybe a pen. Mhmm. I don't know.

10:45

least somebody, you know, health insurance

10:47

maybe. Get dental. Do you have health

10:49

insurance? Yeah. The health insurance. Yeah. Yeah. But

10:51

got it now. You have you haven't got

10:53

it two weeks ago. Oh, it's good for your tax or

10:55

something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've only got

10:57

I don't have hospital cover. I've got ambulance cover

11:00

and extras. Hang on. Shouldn't

11:02

it be the other way around? No.

11:04

We only have hospital cover, like, that's the one

11:06

that, like, if something goes wrong. because

11:08

if it's an emergency, it's all it's all Medicare.

11:10

Like, you're going to going to e r if everybody's

11:12

got, like, something bad.

11:14

Yeah. But look, if you got something bad, then

11:16

yeah, I'll I'll think about that. I just wanted to get it just to say,

11:18

I've got it. You know what I mean? For my tax, and

11:20

I've used the extras a lot, like especially

11:22

dental, and I that you're forty four at

11:24

your advanced age. Yeah. No. I believe you're thinking about the

11:26

hospital cover, you know. Yeah. I know.

11:28

But, like, you know, if it's an emergency, a

11:30

bit if not an emergency?

11:32

Like, what if you've got? No.

11:35

Oh, something. Well, we don't well, you don't

11:37

well, it used I'm pretty sure. I don't know

11:39

how the Australian health system works, but it's pretty to

11:41

look after you. I think if if something came

11:43

up that I needed attention, I'd be

11:45

able to get a scene too. I'd

11:47

rather be miss

11:50

Gucci, that Lady Gaga

11:53

played in the House of

11:55

Gucci -- Mhmm. -- her famous

11:57

quote was I'd rather be

12:00

what does she say?

12:02

Something like happy in a oh, here. Here. It's

12:04

better to cry in a Rolls Royce.

12:07

than being happy on a bicycle. It's

12:09

better to have

12:11

some sort of terminal illness in a private

12:13

hospital than it is in a public one.

12:15

Yeah. Hardly. Totally. But even still, I

12:17

mean, ugh. Yeah.

12:20

Anyway. Anyway, moving right along. But but I

12:22

mean, compared to America's health system,

12:25

Yes. We have very good We have

12:27

one. We have one. Yes. And I and I

12:29

have faith in them. Anyway, really long.

12:31

We've talked about on the podcast last Oh,

12:33

wait. Wait. Wait. I'll I'll go back to suit

12:35

herably. Back to suit her properly.

12:37

We have to get this in this week because it comes out

12:39

this week. And we know, if I got a short time, I got two

12:41

months. So buy tickets. You can buy a ticket

12:43

from -- i t.

12:46

-- events dot com.

12:48

dot com. The dark events dot com.

12:51

Well, IITDED

12:53

Yeah. Yeah. Yes. But, you know, you can go

12:55

to my Instagram page. It'll be there, the post

12:57

with all the details of the information. Because

12:59

he's a maxi and we're still gonna do different

13:01

different guests So so it's gonna be fun. It's

13:03

gonna be cute. And father's at the baricit. Does

13:05

the baricit again? Night of the week is it?

13:07

Sunday. Oh. Oh, and then. after

13:09

you the silver jubilee, you can

13:11

let loose on the dance or the beartooth

13:13

dance or the sun comes up. Although, alias

13:15

Faggots -- Yes. -- with all of the mean games

13:17

of Sydney. Yes.

13:20

Brenda, we talked about heartbreak high

13:22

last week. We did. And I'm not saying

13:24

that's our single contribution, but maybe

13:26

I am. heartbreak has

13:28

gone to number one in Australia and Netflix.

13:30

That's it. Number five in the UK, number three

13:32

in France, number two in Kenya. Oh,

13:34

wow. Only number two in New Zealand

13:36

though. So I'd like to set it to number one in

13:38

New Zealand. I've got Netflix. Netflix.

13:40

Yeah. I don't wanna

13:41

set it up because I wanna set up I wanna season two. They're

13:43

not doing a season two of queers folks.

13:45

I saw that. which I know you didn't love. Yeah.

13:47

I wasn't surprised. I did. But you liked

13:49

it. I did love it. Yeah.

13:51

Also in other pop culture

13:53

news, Sam Smith and Kim Petras have

13:55

released songs that I've called heard of

13:57

Holy. Which when I first heard it, I

13:59

did touch

13:59

my pearls because It's

14:02

too queer people singing about how, like,

14:05

the husband has been going

14:07

down to the body shop and having

14:09

extramarital affairs. And

14:11

then I I

14:12

thought I'm sure that does happen. At first, I was like,

14:14

oh, no. Don't tell them that's what happens. Don't

14:16

don't let them know. Don't let the wives

14:19

know. And I thought, well, it's not just

14:21

queer people that they're having it off with. It's not

14:23

that, you know, we're

14:24

the ones, but that's Hang on. Let me look up

14:26

the words. unholy Sam

14:29

Kim. Mama don't

14:31

know daddy's getting hot

14:33

at the body shop doing

14:35

something unholy. Yeah. It's

14:37

a it's a banger. I listened to it once and

14:40

it's got like sort of It's

14:42

not like a like a pepper. It's got that kind

14:44

of like religious y

14:46

sort of low.

14:47

No. No. That didn't hot, blah blah

14:49

blah blah blah.

14:50

I think it's gonna be a a banger. A

14:52

banger. Okay. I haven't listened yet, but I will. I

14:54

will. Chandula is on dancing with

14:56

the stars. Oh, yeah. We're which is very

14:58

exciting. It's very exciting. We can go and see her. Oh,

15:00

yeah. When you go to LA, the

15:02

fourth, whenever that is. Okay. Yeah.

15:04

I'm gonna go and sit in the lives to the audience and

15:07

watch her dance, which will be really fun. I'm looking forward

15:09

to that. I'm gonna go see drag the musical,

15:11

Alaska's musical, Kevin, are

15:13

that I would to see that. That'll be a lot of fun. If we hear

15:15

them, we talk about that on on race race race race race race race race

15:17

race. Yeah. William and I are gonna go to a screening

15:19

of Hocus Pocus two in the Hollywood

15:21

River

15:21

Cemetery. doing some good things.

15:23

Katie Perry in Vegas. Wow.

15:25

Then a

15:26

girl finally is gonna be in LA, and

15:28

so Ashen Ann, the Squared Vision,

15:30

who created did Katie's show in Vegas.

15:32

We're all gonna have a road trip and drive

15:34

to Vegas, and then

15:36

we're gonna watch Katie's show.

15:38

Apparently, it's amazing. Mhmm. and then

15:41

I have to fly back. Oh, did you use a

15:43

copy? I did not use a copy of him. Oh,

15:45

Sorry.

15:49

And then the next morning,

15:51

yeah, I'm coming back to LA to the job that I'm flying over

15:53

there for. So I've got an

15:56

action packed That's exciting.

15:58

Of things. This is only a week.

16:00

You're scrambling probably all day long.

16:02

Yeah. Yeah. That's

16:04

exhausting. I couldn't do that. I'm I'm I'm tired

16:06

thinking about it. Fun not yet degraded.

16:09

Yeah. Yeah. You'll be buzzing. Yeah.

16:11

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For

16:45

the yellowneck road.

16:48

For the

16:49

yellowneck road? For the yellowneck

16:54

road. So it's time to follow the Yellow Brick

16:56

Road, which is last week

16:58

because I was talking about Bill

17:00

Patel and a documentary

17:03

that I had watched on the

17:05

YouTube. It was an ABC documentary from, like,

17:07

two thousand and seven. Mhmm. And then I

17:09

stumbled across from nineteen eighty

17:11

two the year I was born. Four

17:14

corners did a special on the

17:16

homosexual, homosexual. It's so

17:18

fun hearing the way -- Mhmm. -- the

17:20

Australian accent of the nineteen eighties. and

17:23

homosexual lifestyle. And they they everyone's

17:25

pronounces homosexual, homosexual,

17:28

homosexual, homosexual, And so

17:30

it was called Australia's

17:32

new Golden City of the Gays,

17:35

and it was a It's

17:37

an old episode of four corners, which is an Australian,

17:40

like institution that

17:43

does, like, sort of,

17:45

often, like, journalism, quality

17:48

journalism, like, they'll often break stories into

17:50

investigations into things. And

17:52

so we we ask everyone if

17:54

they wanted to to watch it this

17:56

week. So we could talk about it. Watch it last week. So

17:58

we could talk about it this week. Yeah. Yeah.

18:01

I watched it, and I thought it was

18:03

fantastic. Isn't it? I loved it. I absolutely loved it. And usually, like,

18:05

you know, you're like, this is a quite a few

18:07

things that you've asked me to watch. I'm

18:09

like, Oh, which is that boring thing.

18:11

But this was like and I was like, okay. I've gotta watch

18:13

you down for the pod. And then within two

18:15

minutes, I'm like, this is amazing.

18:17

This is wonderful. there

18:20

was so It was

18:22

it's hard to fathom I

18:26

found that that was on TV

18:28

in nineteen eighty two -- Yes. -- and then some happened --

18:30

Well, well, the AIDS crisis. -- crisis. Yeah.

18:33

And then for us to even

18:36

imagine that being on

18:38

television now, like a whole one

18:40

hour

18:40

episode about

18:42

the homosexual lifestyles half an hour

18:44

half an hour, half an hour, thirty minutes. It's

18:47

just, like,

18:48

in the way the things that they talked about, the

18:50

way that they talked about, like, obviously, there was,

18:51

like, language and stuff that you

18:54

know, lots of poofters and faggots and stuff like

18:56

that. Yeah. But it

18:57

was just

18:58

amazing. Yeah. And and

19:00

it was through lens as well before the AIDS crisis.

19:03

So, like, there wasn't there was

19:05

obviously the stigma of being a

19:07

homosexual or

19:09

a lesbian. But there

19:11

wasn't all that other stigma

19:13

attached to it. Yeah. It was

19:14

just this thing that happened and

19:16

it was

19:17

only forty years ago, but it does

19:19

feel like it was like,

19:22

it could have been it could have been in the

19:24

thirties or the sixties or the fifties. I can

19:26

just it was such felt like a ago. mean,

19:28

these are lifetime. It's more lifetime. Yeah.

19:30

Literally, but multiple lifetimes.

19:33

At a time, and homosexuality was still a crime in most parts

19:35

of Australia, including New South

19:38

Wales, Sydney was fast gaining a

19:40

reputation as the San Francisco

19:42

of the southern hemisphere. The

19:44

ABC's Four Corners aired this report in

19:47

September nineteen eighty two. Some parts of the program

19:49

have been edited out due to

19:51

copyright. And it opens up, like,

19:53

even if things I guess, I didn't

19:55

have

19:55

Grindr or Instagram

19:57

or that

19:58

like, the the the gay men's

19:59

chorus singing the song at the beginning. Hang on. Let me

20:02

play a little bit of it. It's quite up.

20:04

I was actually having a

20:06

lovely time today

20:09

for being singing, having

20:11

on because the last were

20:13

proud to say we're

20:16

gay, drunkards, and

20:19

line. Congrats.

20:25

And isn't

20:30

it heaven?

20:33

isn't it Like, that's how that that broadcast

20:35

like, I can't even imagine a

20:37

TV show opening like that now with a bunch of poofs on

20:39

stage going, well, I'm a six

20:41

year old. I'm a

20:44

six year old. And, I mean, it was it

20:46

was legalized in nine ninety four. So this is too easy

20:48

for it became legal. Oh, it still was too easy

20:50

for it. League was legalized. Yeah. So it was

20:52

like, I it's it's

20:54

baffling to me. Yeah. It's just Well, they talked about

20:57

It was I I think it was on that one where they talked

20:59

about the fact that, like, it was

21:01

illegal Oh, no. It

21:03

was on one that I

21:05

followed on from watching that one was also

21:07

in nineteen eighty two as ABC's

21:10

Monday Conference. which was I

21:12

think it was like a show at the time that

21:14

would happen on a Monday. And then I talked

21:16

about a different topic, and they had,

21:19

like, what and who was a who

21:21

sort of was the representative of the gays

21:23

on the episode with the host. But

21:26

it was coming to you live from Mount Isa -- Yeah. --

21:28

which is a mining regional town.

21:30

Why on earth? Put that in Mount Isa

21:32

-- Yeah. -- even now. Even now,

21:35

I wouldn't Sorry, Mount

21:37

Isa. Yeah. You you understand?

21:39

Yeah. You get it. But it

21:41

was in that conversation that he talked

21:43

about the fact that to put him in

21:45

the clink. And it was sort of just this attitude towards

21:47

it that even though it was criminal, it wasn't

21:49

really enforced. And therefore, like, the

21:51

laws should be changed to come in line

21:53

with public opinion. And

21:54

it's amazing to think about, like, just these people

21:56

being so like visible and brazen

21:59

and

21:59

open in nineteen eighty two.

22:02

Yeah. Yeah. There really are

22:04

the shoulders we stand on. We really are. We

22:06

really are. Yeah. Did you see

22:08

the little clips I posted on my story

22:10

of, like, the SWotsun

22:12

one where the one and hang

22:14

on. For about about the pink guy. Yeah.

22:17

Let me play it. This doesn't show how ignorant

22:19

people were. Yeah. still are in a lot of ways, but

22:21

like but, you know, back then, it was like seeing

22:23

a unicorn. Yeah. And it's funny because,

22:26

like, when I was watching the Lex watch one because

22:28

there's lots of public opinion. The the four

22:30

corners one was, you

22:32

know, a curated piece of

22:34

journalism. And the journalist who

22:36

did it I just approach so

22:38

good. Like, he didn't seem judgey,

22:40

but he, like, went and

22:42

talked about, like, uncomfortable conversations.

22:45

Went to went to beat. I

22:47

was even given a section on Cottage, though in, like, the park

22:49

on Darlinghurst Road talking about how,

22:51

you know, gay men

22:54

engaging in sex in

22:56

public restaurants. I do like I do like that that gentleman that

22:58

they that they interview was so great. He

23:00

was a perfect. The perfect advocate.

23:02

Perfect. Like, it he was he was educated

23:04

and smart and was, wasn't wasn't phased

23:06

by it and wasn't ashamed of it, but,

23:08

like, spoke up about it. But, like, I like his line about

23:10

it. He's like, we should claim these as sacred spaces

23:13

because these are the only meeting places

23:15

or, like, you know, whatever he said, we are

23:17

paraphrasing. But I'm like, yes.

23:19

We should. Yeah. But they they didn't. They didn't

23:21

they tore them all down. Oh, they didn't

23:23

do that. The retundant? The retundant. Was that

23:25

that was that was it? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's

23:27

not a grassy knoll. Yeah. That's but they

23:29

used to be the the grassy knoll. No.

23:31

The returns on darling horse ride across the road

23:33

from the wall.

23:34

Oh, there. There. Oh,

23:37

there. Which were tires didn't come in? I

23:39

think I meant Townsquare. Oh, sorry

23:41

again. Yeah. Let's

23:42

still got those toilets at Taylor Square underground.

23:44

Right. And it's coming into like an art gallery

23:46

of Yeah. Fun. Absolutely. I've always wondered

23:48

what was down there. little tour down there once

23:50

they opened them up. Or

23:52

maybe it wasn't art gallery, but, like, for

23:54

a Sydney festival or something. Yeah. I

23:56

can't find the

23:57

clip of the lady. I do

23:59

remember, I have this got this

23:59

I thought this this traumatic memory,

24:02

which is like ingrained into my

24:04

psyche, which is which contributed

24:06

to so much of my shame, my

24:08

early show up being gay, and it must have been

24:10

around the time, around this time. We're not

24:12

about it a bit later. But when

24:14

the public first became aware,

24:17

of men having sex in public toilets. And

24:19

I'm being app at Mary Wall with my RD0I

24:21

love Vaden. I love Vaden. I love Vaden. But,

24:24

you know, back in the eighties, you know, where

24:26

country was different. And I remember

24:28

sitting around the table and and then

24:30

talking about it, and then her turn to me,

24:32

she goes, and don't you have a

24:34

turnout like that? And it

24:36

sort of was like this. Let's

24:38

always stay with me. But it's like it's that

24:40

thing. It's like, you know, you just they they they

24:42

heard what they heard and they didn't have any

24:44

ability to process that in a

24:46

non judgmental or reasonable way.

24:49

and so they, you know, channeled it into this little kid

24:52

they knew was queer. Yeah. Well,

24:54

like this woman asking a

24:56

question, this is a woman in the audience in

24:58

Mount Isa in nineteen eighty

25:00

two asking well, asking

25:02

this question. Now

25:06

could you tell me if there is anything in big

25:09

time that changes homeowners

25:11

in children? Because So

25:16

she thinks that a pink where a boy wearing pink

25:18

would turn him into a poster. She said she's heard that

25:20

there's something in the pink die that we'll

25:22

have to call him. hormones. of boys

25:24

and turned them into a poofter. And

25:27

she was asking that honestly, like, people in the

25:29

audience laugh of her. She was she was

25:32

serious. seriously. Mhmm. Because that was the

25:33

fear. Also, it's interesting because you hear

25:35

all of the opinions and Lex Watson gives,

25:37

like, the most brilliant answers.

25:40

but he's he's almost a bit condescending.

25:43

He's like, well, obviously not.

25:45

Like like you're fucking dickhead. That's

25:47

what he wanted to say. But when then would

25:49

like give an answer explaining it

25:51

without it was very unapologetic, and

25:55

it was just like giving the

25:57

answers but then you would always hear the

25:59

questions. Even though he would give these good answers, you'd

26:01

always hear the questions came from, like,

26:04

the idea that being gay

26:06

was like the worst thing in the world that could

26:08

ever happen. And so it was all about

26:10

people's fear -- Mhmm. --

26:12

about

26:12

them being

26:13

gay or the children

26:15

being gay. And like her asking that

26:17

question, like, that she was like, how do I

26:19

avoid, like, even a gay man, like a

26:21

proud gay man sitting on stage. No no point

26:23

did she think, oh, this is a bit insulting

26:26

to say, how do I avoid my son

26:28

becoming a poofter? like you, you

26:30

know, disgusting faggots sort of

26:32

thing. When a lot of people are

26:34

like Courtney Act, I don't get how

26:36

that's a play on words like Courtney

26:38

Act. and never before have

26:40

I heard my name said

26:43

so perfectly as I heard

26:45

in this documentary by a

26:47

girl, I reckon she's in a school uniform. Yeah.

26:49

Like, she's turned up to Monday. She's she grew

26:51

up in Mount Isa. She grew up in Mount

26:53

Isa, and this is So

26:55

how can you get committed

26:57

as being a high sexual, you

26:59

know, I do have to get cognizant

27:02

to Yes.

27:04

is that is just your that is Courtney Act. Courtney she said

27:06

Courtney Act. Courtney Act.

27:09

To be committed of being a homosexual, do you have

27:11

to get Courtney act? Yeah. Does she have to come along? Do you

27:14

have to? Do do I have to turn up the old

27:16

budget? Oh, god. Imagine if the I'm sure I

27:18

was still legal and I had to turn up

27:20

to every human sexual conviction. Nah. I'm here.

27:22

Yeah. Like Alright. Yeah. Go on. Press him.

27:25

Yeah. Yeah. That's definitely anal sex. Yep.

27:27

Uh-huh. That taken away. Yeah.

27:29

Come on. better than this.

27:31

I've got a head down to

27:33

the the park at Dowlinghurst Road for

27:35

another illegal homosexual conviction.

27:37

By the way, this is the documentary that need didn't

27:39

ask. Oh, yes. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah. That's

27:41

the documentary we did ask. But in the

27:43

documentary that we did ask people to watch, I was

27:45

I was I was amazed

27:48

at how thriving the gay scene was

27:50

in Sydney at the time

27:52

while it was still illegal to

27:54

be homosexual. And

27:56

at the time, this is in the documentary, but I wrote

27:58

it down. There were sixty

28:00

one gay groups and social clubs,

28:03

three newspapers, hotels,

28:06

eight discos, five bookstores, and

28:08

fourteen gay restaurants. In a pantry, in a

28:10

pantry. Yeah. Well, it was still illegal to be

28:12

gay,

28:13

which is

28:14

very impressive. Very impressive. But

28:17

those shots those early shots of the bars --

28:19

Mhmm. -- and did feel like, like,

28:21

when I came out in nineteen nineties

28:23

well, III was eighteen

28:25

nineteen ninety six and first came

28:27

to the scene in Sydney in set

28:29

ninety seven. And it still felt like

28:31

that. When I those pictures, those images of the

28:34

gay bar, that was

28:36

still, all these years

28:38

later, the beginning of my

28:41

in my introduction to the gay scene. That's what it

28:43

looked like. That's what it felt like. So, you

28:45

know, I mean, obviously, social media

28:47

and, you know, grinder and and, you

28:49

know, the modern world is changed what the inside of

28:51

a gay bar looks like, but for a long time My

28:53

first gay bar memory. My first

28:55

gay bar memory was the

28:59

Aubrey. Yeah. Walking through

29:01

the Aubrey on my own because I used to go out

29:03

when I was eighteen with my

29:05

friend Kirsty at the time and

29:07

we used to go to the George the George something

29:09

club bar that was underneath the Hilton

29:11

in on George Street. Oh, yeah. I'm not

29:13

sure what it was called something George. I don't

29:15

know. Anyway, and because she wanted to go there.

29:17

And I was like, oh, yeah. I didn't care. I was go out. Like, oh, you know, go

29:19

and get drunk. I'm, you know, I'm eighteen. And did you

29:22

regularly live in Sydney? No. I was

29:24

living on the cell. I was still at home on such a coast.

29:26

And so I'd come down in Thornley. So we'd

29:28

come down outside her place and we'd make a little trip

29:30

into the city of the train and then we'd like, you know, get

29:32

pissed and but I remember I'm like, can we go to a

29:34

gay club, like, can we, like, go the street,

29:36

please. And I was and I used to dress very queer. Like,

29:38

you know, when you when you, you know, when you come out

29:40

and you dress very, very

29:42

queer. You don't understand fashion or -- Nice. -- what's called just

29:44

need to dress, like, to show that you

29:46

just dress. Yeah. Yeah. But I'll be I never

29:48

had any problems. Never had, like, in this very

29:51

straight heterosexual bar

29:53

never had any problems with any of the people. Like,

29:55

just just, you know, it was great. That was in that that was

29:57

in the nineties. I'm I'm glad about that.

30:00

But I remember, like, can we can we please, like, do a trip

30:02

walk us up to Oxford Street and just just go to

30:04

like, let's just walk through a gay bar, please. I've

30:06

never been to one like, I'm here all the

30:08

time with you. so she

30:11

wouldn't. So I went up on my own. Good on

30:13

you. I just walked, did a lap of the Aubrey,

30:15

then walked back home. Oh, you

30:17

walked from George George Street

30:19

two, the Aubrey in Paddington. Did a

30:21

lap did a lap and went back. Before

30:23

I could have bought a cab. Yeah. You

30:25

know, So that was my first experience.

30:27

But then when I moved to Sydney

30:29

before I did drag and I would go

30:31

to the gay bar and I didn't know anyone,

30:33

and I would just stand at the I was one

30:35

of those bus busfires

30:36

sitting on the corner. I'm just like be like,

30:39

where did you go? I went to the shift

30:41

-- Mhmm. -- and to the Aubrey. Dan

30:43

says the shift. Dan says the shift. Yeah. I had

30:45

never been upstairs for a like, even not upstairs

30:48

existed. So It's been intense up there for a

30:50

nineteen year old or for years. a a young folk. Yeah.

30:52

And I mean and and also, like, the the

30:54

only reason I was going out was to pick up trade, you

30:56

know, like, get get late. You know what

30:58

I mean? Three eighteen? Eighteen. Yeah. Yeah.

31:00

Yeah. But you. My mind

31:02

was stonewall, but I do remember

31:04

my first time in the Aubrey. and

31:07

remember my friend Stephanie

31:09

saying, that's Porsche

31:10

Tervo. She used to be thin.

31:13

That was like a We thought

31:15

she was fat then. Yeah. That's a unique

31:18

memory. But it

31:20

was just, like, such a fun time

31:22

that was, like, it felt like

31:24

there was so many bars when you first

31:27

arrived -- Yeah. -- and you slowly sort of narrowed it

31:29

down to the one or two that you went to.

31:31

Do remember being afraid of going

31:33

to arc like, when I was eighteen because that

31:35

was, like, the the nightclub, like, where the

31:37

I don't know. The big kids went --

31:39

Yeah. -- first felt a bit intimidating. He was there

31:42

overnight. good muggies doing the boss in the

31:44

dance floor. Kevin.

31:46

But, yeah, we used to go to like the flinders

31:49

and stonewall a lot.

31:51

the shift to the upstairs was still sharp

31:53

because I remember going to the opening night of

31:55

upstairs at the shift -- Uh-huh. -- the

31:58

reopening. Reopening. Yeah. and

32:00

the Aubrey. Yeah. So many, like,

32:03

fun ex new experiences, Palms,

32:05

and the lizard lounge. Yeah. I

32:07

think I actually saw when I saw a drag. I

32:09

think it was still Thursday

32:11

nights at the Aubrey. III sorry. Thursday

32:13

Thursday night at the shift upstairs. And

32:15

I had, like, I think of the transistors, nudging

32:17

the transformers -- Mhmm. --

32:19

with Trudy and, I think, Chris Pender

32:21

and Alice in it? No. No.

32:23

I think she popped I think she she

32:26

she did do I I kind of the the Power Bubbles is one

32:28

of the cast members. And I think I

32:30

saw one of those shows in my very

32:32

like, but within the first couple

32:34

of weeks of do or so or months of starting drag. And

32:36

that and they sort of, you know, finished that up, and that was

32:38

that was like a that was like a legacy show. But I'm glad

32:40

I got in and saw one of those

32:42

shows. But, yeah, it it

32:44

it did feel very nostalgic watching that

32:46

old video. Mhmm. Being, you

32:48

know what? The gay scene was really like,

32:50

you know, what we had.

32:53

for a long time. That was it. Mhmm. But I mean, I mean, it

32:55

was what was four years after the first

32:57

Mardi Gras, to choose before it became legalized.

33:00

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

33:02

I always Honestly, the

33:04

fact that the seventies come just before the

33:06

eighties does not compete in my

33:09

mind. I always think of nineteen

33:11

seventy eight as being hundreds

33:14

of years ago. So that was when I was born.

33:16

I always think of

33:19

it as being so long,

33:21

like much longer than four years

33:23

before I was born, like the seventies. They

33:25

sound like this far off mister book because I was born

33:27

in the eighties. The seventies

33:29

don't even you were born in the seventies so

33:31

that you got a connection to them. Yeah. Whereas

33:34

my perception of time -- Yeah. -- means that Basically,

33:36

who in eighteen seventeen. Yeah.

33:39

So when you said that, I was like, what? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

33:41

She had a meme of the night that I was of of

33:43

skeletal just by doing it like this because

33:45

this is stupid memes. And it's like in six years,

33:47

I don't know, in eight years, the eighties

33:49

will be fifty years ago. Yeah.

33:51

It's like, oh, god, that's

33:53

confronting, isn't it? Yeah. yeah,

33:55

fifty years. It just feels like, I mean, in my

33:57

head, it always it always be twenty years ago.

33:59

Like, it always it always it always

34:01

be two thousand five, you

34:03

know? Yeah. do you think that's because

34:05

it's when we came of age? Or do you do

34:07

you think it's because the millennium

34:09

turned over? because

34:10

we had we never got like a it's not at the twenties, the

34:12

thirties, the forties. Like, that the

34:15

early noughties and the teeny or

34:17

whatever we called. We didn't have, like, clear

34:20

markers. Mhmm. And so that twenty years

34:22

just felt like ten

34:24

years. Yeah. You mean

34:25

that of the new millennium? Yeah. Yeah. Like, from

34:27

two thousand to two thousand and twenty felt

34:29

like a decade. Yeah. You're right. Absolutely

34:32

right. Yeah. I could very confused. But

34:34

they're they're also out, you know, one day years as

34:36

well of, like, when everything was happening and,

34:38

like, you know, so we fit so much into

34:40

that time. But Yeah. Yeah. I think I do

34:41

love. There was a line in that documentary that

34:43

I love, the Abominable Act of

34:46

Buggery with

34:48

mankind. Every

34:50

day. Don't nothing till

34:52

you're proud of. Diabdominal

34:54

active buttery. Oh, got but

34:57

also the maximum sentence for consensual

35:00

homosexual acts was double that

35:02

of rape of a heterosexual rape.

35:04

that wild? Isn't that what five years

35:06

for having gay sex, but it was only

35:08

seven years if you raped someone. I

35:10

know. Isn't that crazy? The accent that

35:13

accent said it's bonkers. Yeah. It

35:15

is bunkers. I'm just so so grateful for, like, all of

35:17

those people who, you know,

35:20

for for

35:22

outright to change them. I think that's amazing. Like, even

35:24

the people being visible in this documentary in nineteen

35:26

eighty two is is challenging for

35:28

me to wrap my brain around that these

35:31

people would go on camera, go on record at a time when it

35:33

was illegal, and it's just

35:36

there. I feel very grateful for all of

35:38

those people who -- You know why?

35:40

-- who who were there and who were visible -- Yeah. -- like you said, we stand on their shoulders.

35:42

Yeah. It is. And it's important to remember that. We are

35:44

so lucky now. And, I mean, even in our

35:46

lifetimes, like, we started off and we had

35:48

so much like.

35:50

I mean, obviously, as, you know,

35:52

there's always always a a

35:54

hard period of, you know, sort of

35:56

coming out. Once you come out,

35:59

life for us.

36:00

Yeah. Got very easy. Yeah. And

36:03

and very enjoyable. And that's only because

36:05

we had, you know, these people that came

36:07

before us, that fought. And they community that

36:09

we got to come out into. Yeah. Like, when

36:11

we came out, we got to come out into

36:13

a bubble -- Mhmm. -- and just

36:16

revel in, you know, gainus, gainus,

36:18

gainus. It was just wonderful. Like,

36:20

no one ever I guess, like, if you come

36:22

out in your town or

36:24

your city or your suburb and

36:26

you're, like, the only again, the

36:28

village, you've got you're battling

36:31

against everything constantly, but when we

36:33

moved to Sydney and we came out and we

36:35

were living in Darlinghurst and we just it was

36:37

just everything was gay and it was this

36:40

wonderful bubble where you didn't have to

36:42

explain anything. You didn't have to, like,

36:44

minimize yourself. You didn't have to change

36:46

anything. Everything was gay. Like, the

36:48

cafe was gay. The accountant was gay. The bookshop was

36:50

gay. Everything was just Yep.

36:52

Yep. Yep. Yep. The restaurants you

36:54

ate up

36:56

were gay. it really was like a magical little bubble.

36:58

Yeah. I hope that Oxford

37:00

Street

37:00

gets reinvigorated. I know that,

37:02

you know, Clive has got big plans and

37:06

that north side of Oxford Street from, like,

37:08

Taylor Square down is all being

37:10

redeveloped and there's big

37:12

plans for stuff and there's

37:16

there's a thing about keeping the

37:18

historic sort of culture of the

37:20

neighborhood being a queer place. So every business

37:22

has to or every, like, new building

37:24

has to have, like, percentage of

37:27

their commercial space dedicated

37:29

to like a queer -- Oh, yeah.

37:31

-- something. Oh, nice. Yeah.

37:33

So that's good. that is good because it it is it is

37:35

an important part of of our history. And Sydney's history -- Yeah. -- like

37:37

as this documentary shows -- Yeah. -- where the

37:40

where the the gay capital. Oh,

37:42

yes.

37:42

Yeah. That's no

37:44

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38:32

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38:32

it until this end. So this podcast is

38:35

sofab. The

38:35

best part of when you talk

38:37

about your drag careers in the naughties could literally

38:39

listen to hours of blow by blow accounts of your night

38:42

out. I thought, well,

38:44

we should think about a night out

38:47

that we can, like, we can do a

38:49

dramatic retelling. What would be a good

38:51

one? Well, the problem is so many of

38:53

my well, all of my nights

38:55

out and my I mean, yours as well from those days were

38:57

all very affected heavily -- Yeah. -- chemically

39:00

heavily impacted. Okay. Brenda, what about

39:02

that time

39:04

that we were at my house in the Taylor Grande. Yeah.

39:06

And we did we

39:08

we were going out. You know, that was

39:11

and Wonderland. It's quite a psychedelic

39:14

sort of situation situation. Yes.

39:16

Anyway, I don't know why I I don't know why I bought that up. But

39:18

anyway, we

39:20

decided that we put on acrylic nails. Yes. We wanted to wear nails. Long there's

39:22

long lines to nails. Yes. There's huge massive long

39:24

what talent. So if we got out

39:28

the superglue, We typically them aren't really too Really, really, really

39:30

strong. And then we

39:32

my memory is that we went

39:33

to the shift with the nails on. Yeah. I

39:35

remember that. I didn't know

39:38

we went I'm pretty sure we just we're

39:40

just we're at home. It's one of those days we're just we're like, we didn't leave the

39:42

house. Well, I just remember we were

39:44

so traumatized by the nails,

39:46

whether we're at the shift or whether at home, or to

39:48

be fair, in the state we're

39:50

in. I know. We're in the

39:52

cardboard box. do have a very vivid

39:54

specific memory of us laying on your kitchen floor at the Talli Grande with

39:56

them on. Yes. And we could not

39:58

we we had knives under, like, I

40:02

was trying to pick them off and they wouldn't come off at all. I remember we

40:04

were laughing in hysterics, and I

40:08

had It was, like, some sort of,

40:10

like, it was way before iPhones. It was, like,

40:12

two thousand and two or something. Yeah. And

40:14

and I had one of those phones you

40:16

could record It was like a Sony. It had

40:18

like a a stylus. Oh, yeah.

40:21

So we were laughing so

40:23

much, and I remember thinking as people often do when they're in

40:25

altered states, think like, oh my god, this is so funny. We

40:28

never Did you record record this? And I

40:30

recorded and we've, like, worked out the meaning of

40:32

life. It was, like, the

40:34

whole thing recorded it. We're laughing historically for hours and

40:36

hours, and then the next day, I didn't hit

40:38

record. Oh, I'll just show. Am I

40:40

thinking I'm gonna surprise me. I found the

40:42

recording. I

40:44

found the applying that we didn't care. We haven't I

40:46

remember, we we couldn't get them -- We could not get

40:48

them off. -- and we and we thought

40:50

of many solutions.

40:52

We tried all of them, all

40:54

solutions to get them off, and we couldn't. And we we

40:56

we we even tried one that probably we

40:58

shouldn't have. We soaked down

41:00

nails in a bowl full of a very strong

41:02

solvent. Yes. I mean,

41:04

friction the lines. Yeah.

41:06

And it was it was

41:08

sold as nail polish remover. Yeah. But

41:11

yeah. We we I didn't we I guess we got paid off. It

41:13

didn't work. It didn't work. They didn't come off. We slept

41:16

in them for days. I think we'd

41:18

I haven't I don't remember them

41:20

coming off. Oh my god. It's still on. Hold on.

41:25

There are lots of nice. We should actually sit down and

41:27

we should do maybe like what you do for your book

41:29

where you you put all the post it notes up. And

41:31

remember what we care of and then try and fill

41:33

in the gap I'm sure that once we start putting the

41:35

puzzle together, things will come back. You

41:38

know, it really helps us going back through

41:40

the photos. Yeah. And I've

41:42

got the photos. You've got the photos.

41:44

I've got that vault of photos.

41:46

There's like a viewing

41:48

destiny dress as trippers. When you went to Slazewell as trippers. Yeah.

41:50

And we will all back at Ashley

41:52

and Jared's house and,

41:54

anyway, anyway, anyway. Anyway, it's

41:56

a shame I still I need to go through my computer

41:58

because there is on one of my

42:00

computers, my early computers.

42:02

See, when I before we went digital,

42:05

I've got all the photos on every single photo camera camera, everywhere.

42:08

I've got a a huge box

42:10

full of actual photos. So

42:12

I've got when it got printed

42:14

every week develops. Some people listening

42:16

to this podcast who don't know

42:18

what a photograph is. Who've never

42:20

seen one printed out. Like before our

42:22

iPhones took cameras and we sold them

42:24

digitally. Mhmm. We and we've used to

42:26

take them on film and take them and get them

42:28

developed, and you would get twenty four

42:30

or thirty six -- Yes. -- pieces of paper with the photograph on

42:32

something. It's seven ninety nine or

42:34

or twelve ninety nine for a for a thirty

42:36

six. Okay.

42:38

Yep. so I've got I've still got all those

42:40

photos, but then I went the moment I went to digital

42:42

because I always had, like, a a camera. I

42:44

was I was always, like, you know, having a

42:46

new wife. I was, like, upgraded my camera every couple of years and, like,

42:49

you know, and, you know, then when I went to digital, I

42:51

thought it was the best thing ever. And so I had all

42:53

these digital photos and I had photos and

42:55

photos on my laptop. all

42:57

those laptops, like over the years, have lost or

42:59

I just haven't backed up properly, and I've lost

43:01

the hard drive, I've lost everything. But

43:03

you've you took copies not

43:05

a chunk of them -- Yeah. -- from about two

43:07

thousand and five. Well, this whole chunk of photos were all,

43:09

like, I didn't take these. I'm not in these, and I'm my

43:11

other your photos. photos.

43:14

Yeah. I'm some guide tips to got them, but I do have the hard drives or less the computers

43:16

at hard work that I need to just take

43:18

to someone and see if they can extract just the

43:20

photos, same to the Apple Store of

43:22

make sure they sign an

43:25

NDA. Yeah. Yeah. That sleazable when

43:27

you and Destiny were dressed dressed

43:29

as trippers. Yep. And

43:31

we all ended up back at

43:34

Ashley's copies. I'm not a chunk of them

43:36

-- Yeah. -- from about two thousand

43:38

and five, this whole chunk of photos

43:40

where I'm like, I didn't take these. I'm not in these. I'm

43:42

my other your photos. Yeah.

43:44

So I'm some guy that just got them, but I don't have the hard

43:46

drives or less the computers at at

43:48

work. That's only just take to

43:50

someone and see if they can extract just the photos. Same to the Apple store, make sure they sign an NDA.

43:54

Yeah. Yeah.

43:58

Got sleeves for when you and Destiny were dressed as

44:00

trippers. Yep. And we all ended

44:02

up back at Ashley's house

44:04

and Ashley's

44:06

flat plate had been like bush walking

44:08

and there was a brown

44:10

snake, an actual wild snake.

44:14

Okay. Let's clarify. A brown

44:16

snake. As a strange brown snake is one of those

44:18

venomous venomous snakes in the world.

44:20

Yeah. It wasn't a brown snake. The snake

44:22

was brown. Okay. And it wasn't

44:24

a brown snake. Well, that we know of. That we

44:26

oh, god. Surely, it couldn't have

44:28

been an actual brown snake. Like,

44:31

they are they are So It was

44:33

very aggressive. So what had happened was he saved it and took

44:35

it home. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on.

44:37

He didn't save it. He'd he'd he'd

44:39

snapped it. He'd

44:41

kidnapped to from the wild, from its home, to its family,

44:43

from its wife, and its kids -- Yeah. For his job. -- I

44:45

didn't know where he said he was going out

44:48

for milk. never came

44:50

back. Those poor snakelings.

44:52

So he's out like bush walking

44:54

and just first of all, okay.

44:58

everybody listening in the rest of the world.

45:00

I know the number one comment I

45:02

get from people all around the world is, I'd love to

45:04

come to Australia, but I'm sorry to worry about that.

45:07

I'd, yeah, I'd get killed by a snake or a spider or

45:09

a shark or a crocodile and Everything wants to kill

45:11

you. wants to kill you. Okay.

45:13

We do have things here that can kill you.

45:15

But you know what? In America, You've got

45:18

guns. Yeah. They're in people's hands in

45:20

school. Yeah. And they're much more irrational than what the

45:22

snakes do. The wildlife is. The wild side

45:24

of you. wild love is more afraid of you than you are of it, and in

45:26

the wild. It's not in the suburb. It's not

45:28

like in your backyard. Like, if you're coming Sydney

45:31

for world pride, do comes sitting for World Pride twenty twenty

45:33

three. Yes. You're not going to encounter any snakes, any

45:36

crocodiles, any crocodiles, any spider -- You might

45:38

get a funny way. -- you might get a very

45:40

bad. Not not like Not

45:42

in the city. No. If you're in a hotel. No.

45:44

No. No. No. No. If you're, like, if

45:46

you're in, like, a a terrace house

45:48

and you go out the back to the detached Lou. Yeah.

45:50

I found it read back up back of

45:52

my place. Yeah. But it's not, like, coming for

45:55

you. It's not, like, lying. No. It was money

45:57

away from me. At the moment, the

45:59

moment, I've exposed it. It was gone.

46:01

Exposed yourself to it.

46:04

Oh, sucking off those

46:06

razors. So anyway, back to seeing

46:08

it, yeah, the browns at Ashley's Place

46:10

after sleigh's Mall.

46:13

And we there

46:15

was a fish tank in the

46:17

living room. terrarium. terrarium.

46:20

terrarium. Yeah. It's like a fish tank with no water in

46:22

it. Mhmm.

46:24

With, like, like brown stick in the

46:26

bottom. And everybody was

46:28

like in the state that everybody

46:30

was in it

46:32

perhaps in a heightened state where the of snakes

46:35

and spooky things might make

46:37

your skin crawl a little bit

46:39

more than usual. And

46:42

a lot of people in that house didn't like

46:44

snakes. Like, Ashley hates snakes. You hate snakes. Like like terrified. Yeah.

46:46

Shirley hates them. And so

46:49

me being little Courtney act wanders over to the

46:52

the tank, not in an antagonizing way, but

46:54

I was just, you know, curious -- Yeah. -- going out,

46:56

there's this snake. And I'm looking I'm

46:58

like, guys, where's the snake

47:00

chain stop it? I'm

47:02

like, what? I'm just no.

47:04

No. No. Like, we don't even wanna think about

47:06

it. We don't wanna about the reality that in

47:08

the state that we're in, there is a snake named

47:10

in the house. In this in

47:12

wildest snake. Well, it's not loose in the house. Just in

47:14

a fish tank in the house. It's not loose

47:16

yet. Oh, okay. and I'm

47:17

like looking and I'm like, okay, I'll be I'll be

47:19

respectful

47:19

of everybody else's boundaries around snakes.

47:21

And so we went

47:23

about the party everywhere that's having

47:25

a good time. And then like me,

47:28

went over again to the tank, thought maybe they'd moved

47:30

up for underneath this very small brown

47:32

stick that was in there that the Snake couldn't

47:34

possibly be hiding under. And I was

47:36

like, Guys, I'm not trying to spook you all

47:38

out. But how big is

47:40

this snake? And I was

47:42

like, no. stop it. Stop talking

47:44

about a snake, and I'm like,

47:46

because if there is meant to be a

47:48

snake in this tank -- There's

47:50

not. -- unless it's a very very

47:52

small snake, There is no snake in this thing, and

47:54

that

47:54

means that

47:54

there's a snake loose in the living

47:57

room that we're all currently rolling the

47:59

floor, listening to Britney Whitney and Mariah. And so I went

48:02

downstairs and woke up his flatmate and was

48:04

like, can you come and have

48:06

a look? and turned over the very small stick that was in there that the snake

48:08

possibly couldn't be hiding under and low and behold, there

48:10

was nice snake in the tank.

48:12

And so everybody

48:14

freaked out and he's, like, jumped up on the couches and he's screaming.

48:16

And I'm, like, down on the floor looking around. And

48:18

the snake was under the couch. The couch

48:21

called out. So was standing on top of,

48:23

and everybody freaked out and then actually

48:25

flatmate put it back in the tank. And -- Yeah. --

48:27

I do have a memory of us all

48:29

gathering around the Fishers the

48:31

tank trying to work out if it is

48:33

or isn't in there? Like like,

48:36

wait, is that easy? Is it that or is it a

48:38

stick? It's a stick. Like, how

48:40

small is this snake that's hidden under

48:42

a stick? It was like a bit of

48:44

bark off a tree. Yeah. But then

48:46

later on, everyone had fallen asleep

48:48

and I remember being

48:50

awoken by this, like,

48:52

this studying, oh my

48:54

god, and I looked

48:57

up. and I looked over at the tank and

48:59

the snake was, like, up on

49:02

its hind quarters. Yeah.

49:04

Yeah. Yeah. Read up.

49:06

Read up. trying to head butt its way out of the glass

49:08

top of the tank. It was, like, phew. phew.

49:10

phew. Like, trying to get out. It

49:13

was a while and -- Wow. -- and it was trying to,

49:15

like, headbutt off the the -- Oh. -- half

49:18

lid of the fish tank so that

49:20

it could escape and go back

49:22

to its wife and kids in the

49:24

bush. Oh, god. In

49:26

the state we're in in the state we're in.

49:28

Yep. That's one story. Alright.

49:31

Well, there you go, Kiribili,

49:34

that one's for you. You wanted

49:36

to hear a story about the good old days. I've got the

49:38

photos of that say as well

49:40

because there's a photo

49:42

of don't know if that's

49:44

fine. Competitor has a poppy seed in her eye.

49:46

Yeah. She Yes. Yeah. That was a good idea. Yeah. Okay. Well, thanks for

49:48

listening too. Brenda, Carly. We would

49:50

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50:12

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