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Give me the freaking arrow! This

0:02

is Brock and Salk. I don't read the

0:05

internet, guys. Take the bull by the hands.

0:07

On Seattle Sports. Power through the

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You are it. And Brook, you

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are it. Styled by Simply Seattle.

0:15

Now here are your hosts, Brock

0:17

Eward and Mike Salk. Let's get

0:19

fired! Brock,

0:22

I told the people a secret about a half

0:24

hour ago that I think I'll be willing to

0:26

share with you in 30 minutes. Oh. I

0:29

think I'll be willing. Let's see where things go over the

0:32

next half hour. But I think I'd be willing to, I

0:34

think it'd be willing, I'll be willing to share with you

0:37

in 30 minutes. I think we should be gentle and soft

0:39

right now with Brock. He didn't get his birthday wish and

0:41

I just want to make sure that he's doing okay. How

0:43

are you doing, man? I fought in that night inning

0:46

too. He hit one deep to right field. I'm like,

0:48

there it is. You're gonna make me wait a little

0:50

bit. That's okay. I'm a patient guy. Kind of like

0:52

you when you, when it comes to eating good food,

0:54

Salk, you always save the best for last. It's

0:56

just the first thing we all think of when we think of

0:58

Salk. Yeah. Yeah. He is a delayed

1:00

gratification guy, right? Isn't that what you say about

1:03

yourself? I do like to delay gratification. Yes, you

1:05

do. Yes. The late gratification guys. I'm like, the

1:07

longer you wait, the better something is. Sure. I

1:09

didn't want Julio to hit with home run the

1:11

first. I don't want to be Polanco. I

1:14

don't want my phone to blow up. Like

1:16

look at you. You Mike Blowers, you know,

1:18

prognosticator. No, I didn't want any of that.

1:21

I was a delayed gratification and when he flew that one to

1:23

right field, I'm like, there it is. I had a little

1:26

smile on my face. Oh, here it goes. Oh, so

1:29

it's kind of a disappointing birthday for you

1:31

then, huh? No, it was an amazing birthday.

1:33

Amazing birthday. So many people to chat with

1:35

yesterday. Did you figure out to send you

1:37

that note? No, nope. Still didn't figure that

1:40

out. Didn't get to that. I'll get to

1:42

that eventually. I think maybe the next time

1:44

they text from that area code, I'll get

1:46

to that. When picked up, I

1:48

know and it didn't tell you guys this yesterday

1:50

on the show. At least I have been always

1:52

wanting to get half a beef, half

1:54

a cow, half a cow, or even a

1:56

full cow. But you know, now with the, now

1:59

with less in the house. Really only three under the

2:01

roof but a full one probably doesn't make a lot

2:03

of sense So I finally did it finally went in

2:05

with one of my buddies and got half a cow

2:07

and picked it up yesterday and it looks unbelievable

2:11

Unbelievable, so we'll dig into that and then I got

2:14

home and got to watch a game and yeah, man

2:16

That was a birthday bash It was it was nice

2:18

to see them do exactly what you want to see

2:20

them do salt That's walk and hit home runs pretty

2:22

simple recipe you get on base You get a little

2:24

bit of traffic you get that picture a little nervous

2:26

and then you see it go over the fence With

2:29

this pitching staff you give yourself a chance to win

2:31

each and every night I bet

2:33

you we will look at the end of this season in

2:35

games They hit a home run just

2:37

just a single home run in games They

2:39

hit a single home run at 54% of

2:41

the time a runner gets on and you

2:43

score I'm gonna guess they hit a

2:45

home run. They're gonna win 75

2:48

plus percent of their games just one just

2:50

hit one and you're gonna give yourself a chance to win with

2:52

the way that you I was thinking

2:55

more about out homering your opponent in games.

2:57

Were you out homer your opponent? I would

2:59

be willing to bet you've got a near

3:01

perfect record I mean just it is such

3:03

a crucial part of today's game With

3:06

pitching just being as good as it is

3:08

and it's really really really good Montauk

3:12

struggled a little bit credit to them. They

3:14

laid off some tough pitches. He also gave

3:16

them a little bit He was not sharp

3:18

last night and that happens But great when

3:20

he's not sharp early because oftentimes good pitchers are

3:22

not sharp in the first inning What do you have to

3:25

do? You gotta make him pay

3:27

for it and they did score three early tack

3:29

on a few more later Tack on a few

3:31

more after that the more you get the more

3:33

runs you can score against Buck Hunter Whatever that

3:36

guy's Oh Buck Farmer, whatever it is That's

3:39

a good thing. That guy's name is Buck Farmer. That's

3:41

the greatest name I've ever heard for a pitcher Tell

3:44

me more. Can we find out more about Buck

3:46

Farmer? I'm Fascinated by

3:48

this red steam like you think that's a

3:50

god-given name. I hope so far. I can

3:52

only hope it was George What is

3:54

that true? Yeah, his name's not Buck

3:57

George Rooney Buck. Oh A

4:00

I was hoping his given name was Box

4:02

Box Farm where where is where was born

4:04

was born other in Kentucky Noble, Georgia gonna

4:06

play with the Rockdale County High School sounds

4:08

pretty soon. as many the fact that I

4:10

bet that was a place that else. ah

4:12

I'm gonna look that were It seems interesting

4:14

and you really need to do last night.

4:16

you get them on base. Their trouble Spencer

4:19

Steers pretty good player obviously L E De

4:21

la Cruz is all a moral lightning in

4:23

of oh my gosh the ball Few think

4:25

just a moment on deal a curse mostly

4:27

does about the merits for just a moment.

4:29

De la Cruz. Cause he's a freak. Promote.

4:31

The ball he hit to shortstop. The.

4:34

He just nearly business and of routine

4:36

groundball for sure you're a he was

4:38

to half a step away from feeding

4:40

it out yes I love that. Yeah

4:42

because it comes with inside the park.

4:44

home run and fifteen seconds. Suffer

4:47

Cmp really as fast the bali track

4:49

down the could have been Jonathan classes

4:51

first heads ridiculous play that he made

4:53

out there and in short less feel

4:55

that he he is some kind of

4:57

special on farming. He really is Usain

5:00

Bolt. claim a small. Companies like

5:02

six foot five and get that same stride and

5:04

like a few same boat amazed they would be

5:06

obvious as baths human lives so he be a

5:08

be or to faster but not much not swing

5:10

and about and get out of the box that

5:13

though it's just the right that he does and

5:15

you know the was fielders yeah it's a p

5:17

in that case for like from for us in

5:19

front of arrested for anniversary but you're just get

5:22

a human the russian we have a choice know

5:24

look up and is halfway down the line correct

5:26

yeah it it's funny area okay cry always this

5:28

one small thing that drives me nuts and baseball

5:30

you don't get credit. For on base percentage on

5:32

an error. And I did.

5:34

You should. and i and i first

5:37

develop this theory in like two thousand

5:39

and seven when i went nuts cobiella

5:41

very first came up on of you

5:44

guys remember much of jacoby ellsbury the

5:46

pride of mattress oregon but you can

5:48

be was real fast roka who real

5:50

fast and when he came up speed

5:53

st same type of things cut everybody

5:55

by surprise and i watched three four

5:57

different place where he reached on and

6:00

error, but he caused the error. Sure. The guy

6:02

looked up, realized he didn't have enough time and

6:04

then made an errand throw because he knew who

6:06

was running. And I always thought it was kind

6:08

of lame that he didn't get credit for

6:10

that because he caused the error. So,

6:13

De La Cruz is going to

6:15

do that as well. They did a great job

6:17

of keeping them off the basis last night, not

6:19

letting that machine kind of get wound up and

6:21

working and then playing your own game offensively. So.

6:24

Is that the fourth quality start in a row? We were

6:26

talking about these quality starts, Ken looking up. You know, on

6:28

the season, that's for sure. Yeah. I know, I

6:31

know Hancock had one, all three of the

6:33

series in the series before. And

6:35

that'd be in the fourth. So yeah, pretty, maybe

6:38

even low, maybe five in a row. It might be

6:40

five in a row because Logan had one, I believe.

6:42

So yeah, I think that might be five. I got

6:44

a full trip through the rotation with all quality starts.

6:47

And that's the, I'd say an earlier, that's the, that's

6:49

the, the formula. Quality

6:52

starts from your pitching staff, which you're getting now.

6:54

You need JP Crawford to get on base and

6:57

you need Julio to be Julio. And

7:00

they did just one time. I think both those

7:02

guys got on base one time yesterday. And that

7:04

one time was good enough to set up a

7:06

Jorge Polanco's a three run blast. I was thinking

7:08

about Polanco. Does he have

7:10

the, like the most focused eyes that you

7:12

have seen from him? Aaron, do you, do

7:14

you notice how like his eyes

7:16

are really open? The key is really

7:19

onto, have you noticed that little detail?

7:21

No. Okay. Well, you will tonight. Just,

7:24

just take a look at the way it's a,

7:26

it's like, it's got little mini toothpicks in his

7:28

eyes. Yes. He is hyper,

7:30

hyper focused in a super positive way. That

7:32

is no way to meaning, but he is

7:34

like locked in and nice to see him

7:36

warm up. Nice to see Mitch stay hot.

7:39

You know, this is, this is

7:41

not a six and 10 baseball club. And this

7:43

is a club that needs to win this series. And

7:45

now you've set yourself up, right? You've won the first

7:47

game against Cubs, came up a little

7:49

short, stub your toe, especially in the finale. Couldn't get

7:51

it. You like win this series. Got to win series.

7:53

Want to get this thing going this season in 2024.

7:57

Find a way. I'm not asking you to sweep this series,

7:59

but just go. win one of these next

8:01

two so you could put a win on that

8:03

side of the column of winning series because the

8:05

more you do that in this league, the more

8:07

opportunity you give yourself to be relevant. Well if

8:09

they can do the what some of the things

8:12

they did last night they'll make that happen. If

8:14

you're able to keep the Reds off the bases,

8:16

no walks again last night, that's three straight games

8:18

without a walk for the Mariner pitching staff. That's

8:20

remarkable in this day and age. I mean really

8:22

it's incredible and when we talk about controlling the

8:24

zone and all the problems they've had doing it

8:27

offensively, that's how you do it defensively or that

8:29

was tremendous. Keep this team off the bases

8:31

because they can run. Second, take your

8:33

walks when they're available and they did it

8:35

last night and you see what a Montas

8:37

throw 45 pitches in the first inning. I

8:40

mean once you do that you set yourself up

8:42

for success in any number of ways. So they

8:44

took their walks, they hit their home runs when

8:46

the guy made a mistake and once his arm

8:48

got tired and he thrown a bunch of pitches

8:50

and that's how you win baseball games. Dan look

8:52

up your defense starting to also warm up a

8:54

little bit. Polanco makes a tremendous play. Julio's running

8:56

play down. If you took a look I think

8:58

it was shear one of their players that hit

9:00

that line drive in the gap and we talked

9:02

about the steer. It's not just the home runs

9:05

that can be a challenge. It's those line drives

9:07

in the gap and when you got

9:09

Julio running the way he can you could see

9:11

it in the steer space like are you serious?

9:13

Well and then you put Class A in left

9:15

field and a little bit more speed there and

9:17

then you put Raylee in right instead of Hannager

9:19

and it's a little bit more speed there right

9:22

all of a sudden your your defense does not

9:24

look quite as problematic as it did a few

9:26

days ago. So look it's just one game again

9:28

just like all the ones all the losses don't

9:30

mean that they're going to be bad moving forward

9:32

the wind certainly don't mean that they're gonna be good but

9:35

as I said yesterday I just wanted to see

9:37

the way it was supposed to look and finally

9:39

yesterday we got a chance to see that. Here's

9:41

what it's supposed to look like

9:43

for the first time all year. Yeah. It's

9:45

probably three weeks. Yeah. Finally you get an

9:48

opportunity to see the design play its way

9:50

out and hopefully there's a lot more where

9:52

that came from. Way to go, Brandt. Way

9:54

to go. On my birthday my buddy. My

9:56

comedic buddy Brandt

9:58

Brown, offense coordinator. Called a hell of

10:01

a game last night, rooting for him to

10:03

do our a coming up next. Brock. ah

10:05

I'm I'm really excited about a familiar names

10:07

ominous Seattle's mentioned earlier. Multiple bit more butter

10:09

Next broken thought Sale Sports and Seven Ten

10:12

Sale Sports Talk on. Need

10:15

to know what? sixty? Minutes test

10:17

every hour with. Here's

10:20

what you need to know. The

10:24

prices broth is not a drill.

10:26

The Mariners forty nine runs in

10:28

one game last night and it

10:30

didn't take too long. Walk to

10:32

start again from Gp walk to

10:34

keep it going from only off

10:36

for a pogo. cia it or

10:39

leave the three one principal to

10:41

drive. Each.

10:51

Year that was a big one mechanic earth

10:53

would add a home run later down flat

10:55

say got his first hit his her not

10:57

to be big one is well aware. Grapple

11:01

with some I. Say.

11:11

Worse major leagues. And

11:14

and are beyond a good with It was

11:16

really nice to see so they did pretty

11:18

much everything right last night. But at the

11:20

center of all that will get the Caribbean

11:22

a moment was Polanco. made a really nice

11:24

play second base and hit that big home

11:26

run to get them going. Scott service pretty

11:28

impressed with these. The veteran second baseman will

11:30

settle the said prefer. In the

11:33

mean hitting aspect of Mit to the players to

11:35

the hitter. He recognizes pitches, he's got

11:37

some experience in releasing sports and sliders and

11:39

curves and changes he seemed on before. so

11:42

it is going to come back to the

11:44

norm with a player like that and. I

11:47

just love how professional. And

11:49

we knew that when we acquired of. This. is

11:52

a man of very few words but he

11:54

he leaves truly does lead by example he

11:56

says of everyday gives you great effort pregame

11:58

because it in a a quality

12:00

at bat all the time. He works through

12:02

it so eventually those strikeouts are

12:04

going to start to go away. He also can

12:06

hit the ball over the fence and that's

12:09

pretty valuable in this game. Yeah,

12:12

it sure is. That was 109 miles an

12:14

hour off that bat that he turned on last

12:16

night. It was a professional effort all the way

12:18

around. We talked yesterday, I think one of our

12:20

callers when we opened up the phone line just

12:22

said, man, situational hitting has been such a bug

12:24

a boo for this team for some time and

12:27

last night 14 opportunities, 5 of

12:29

14, over 333 average in

12:33

that situation. My buddy Luke

12:35

Arkins was listening to the show yesterday as

12:38

he normally does and feeds me some great

12:40

intel. He loves those next level stats. He

12:42

said the problem and the challenge is yeah,

12:44

they're about 24, 25th with runners scoring positions

12:46

but they were 29th in opportunities with runners

12:48

in scoring position. They've just not been giving

12:50

themselves enough opportunities. They did last night and

12:52

they capitalized. Yeah, they certainly did and then

12:54

on the other side, you know, do what

12:57

you got to do. This team has to

12:59

pitch in order to win and

13:01

they did it yesterday. Kirby was phenomenal.

13:03

I thought his curve ball was excellent,

13:05

right? His practice was like, dad, look

13:07

at that. Right? So proud of

13:09

him. On my birthday, he's rewinding with a controller. Look at

13:11

this. Oh no. Let me rewind

13:13

this pattern for you, dad. Look at the

13:16

amount of movement as that curve ball landed

13:18

in the lower right quadrant time and again.

13:20

Yeah, he was pretty good. Texas wins as

13:22

well so Mariners stay two games back. They

13:24

have another against the Reds tonight. Logan Gilbert

13:26

will take the ball against Hunter Green. You

13:32

need to know. That's a nice thing.

13:34

John Ryan, former Seahawks punter, is going to come

13:36

in and sign a one-day contract to retire a Seahawks

13:38

like that. Good for him. He

13:41

was fun. He's just one

13:43

of those beloved people here that I

13:45

like when things like that happen, there's

13:47

just a connection between a random punter

13:50

and a city like Seattle. So good

13:52

on John Ryan. Sounds like Cooper DeGene

13:54

Brock was in for a little visit.

13:56

That's the guy that I know you

13:59

like. Profiled already. if they draft him in

14:01

the first round I'm gonna be furious and

14:03

G Scott because he's on defensive back

14:05

G Scott report from G

14:07

Scott really he says George

14:09

Halani running back Boise State will

14:12

visit the Seahawks today interesting

14:14

way to go G. What

14:17

do you know bitch with you little shepherd news break

14:19

a little bit jinnest step on after breaking

14:23

that kind of news and then

14:25

you know maybe the biggest report and I'll

14:27

hit on this from Blue88 Salk is many

14:29

Seahawks with a new regime and new

14:32

faces we heard from a bunch of players

14:34

last week we're gonna hear from three more

14:36

players tomorrow kind of opening up and even

14:38

sharing some data with us the

14:40

fastest Seahawks thus far the

14:42

fastest Seahawks and I can confirm

14:44

I can confirm that that is

14:46

a true report that is no

14:48

cap on that report those are

14:51

facts that Geno Smith has topped

14:53

out on the old GPS machine that'll catapult system

14:55

is the fastest Seahawks yet. We don't even really

14:57

know what to make of that. I don't know

14:59

if that's a great thing for Geno or is

15:01

that thing for the rest of the team. Was

15:03

it 22? I'll hit on the

15:05

plate. 21 I believe but yeah I wanted you to take us

15:07

through that a little bit later. Here's

15:10

the third thing you need to know. Well

15:13

sometimes you get surprise moments in sports

15:15

this was not one of them. It's

15:20

the first pick in the 2024 WNBA

15:23

draft the Indiana

15:26

fever select Kaitlyn

15:28

Clark. With

15:33

the number one pick in the draft

15:35

congratulations to Indiana and all of their

15:37

fans they are getting the ultimate gift

15:39

as Kaitlyn Clark is on her way

15:42

there. With the 14th pick

15:44

in the draft the Seattle Storm selected

15:46

a name that I actually knew Neika

15:48

Mule who played some pretty incredible defense

15:50

on Kaitlyn Clark in the

15:53

semi final in the final four round of

15:55

the tournament this year and I'm kind of excited

15:57

about her here she is talking to Holly Rose.

16:00

She's from Croatia originally here. She is talking

16:02

to Holly row after she was drafted Here

16:07

with you tonight, but the rest of your family are

16:09

all at home in Croatia watching What would you love

16:11

to say to them right now? Um,

16:22

I feel like I was lucky enough

16:24

and have had the privilege to have

16:26

amazing people around me My sister my

16:29

family all the people watching from home

16:32

the people at my table the people in the

16:34

audience That's

16:40

my family from life I

16:42

want to give a message to all my people

16:45

in Croatia watching Well, I

16:47

must for not starting. I'm so push that you have

16:49

a check on those. That's exactly right I couldn't

16:51

say it better myself. I'm very very very very

16:53

very very very Yes And

16:56

you're gonna get a chance to watch her once again Absolutely,

16:58

Caitlin Clark when the fever come to town Yeah

17:01

Shout out to Gonzaga as well We know we've

17:03

got some Zeg bands over the other side of

17:05

the mountain to listen to us a couple Gonzaga

17:07

players drafted including Gig Harbor's

17:09

finest right before Nika mule number 13

17:12

first pick of the second round Britta Maxwell Pretty cool

17:14

pretty elite shooter and she'll have a chance to make

17:17

that team as well. Love it All right. There you

17:19

go. That is everything you need to know Quarter

17:21

past every hour here on the rock and salt

17:23

show I'd like to talk to Nick Emil at

17:26

some point Maybe we'll get an opportunity to do

17:28

that. She's not available today, unfortunately, but I wouldn't

17:30

we do I like you to say what she

17:32

said at the very end of her Yeah,

17:35

like you memorize that yeah, you'd like

17:37

me to speak in Croatian So it's

17:39

not only embarrass myself, but kind of

17:41

insult her. Yeah I

17:45

think it's a Nika. I was listening to you with

17:47

a row and then just I love this right and

17:49

just I don't know what she said though.

17:51

So what if it was something that I you know would

17:53

be very insulting Like I don't want to insult the poor

18:00

Coming up next, I told everyone a secret before you

18:02

came on. I probably

18:04

shouldn't share it. Maybe some people will find

18:06

it embarrassing. I don't know. But

18:08

I have a secret desire. I have a

18:10

secret wish. What's that? I'm

18:12

just not able to call it

18:15

that. That's wrong. Why? Probably

18:17

not the word I use. Okay. I

18:19

don't think it's a ... No. There's no fetishes in here.

18:23

What is wrong with you? But I will ... What

18:26

happens when you're 48, your filter gets less and less. This

18:28

is what happens when you've lived most of your life completely

18:30

repressed. But I will just tell you that I

18:32

have a secret and I will try to reveal

18:34

it to you next on Brock and Salk. This

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18:51

right. A

18:55

little scenario to come back. I was hoping

18:57

maybe we'd have some of the Beatles. Listen, do you want

18:59

to know a secret? I promise

19:01

not to tell. But ...

19:03

I can't figure that out. Tell passively. No.

19:06

I should have mentioned that to you. I would have figured

19:09

with your vast knowledge of music, especially from before you were

19:11

born that you would have just known it anyway more of

19:13

... I'm the music person. That's how I always describe you

19:15

to everybody. Brock, I do have a little

19:17

bit of a secret. I do have a little something that

19:19

... It's just sort of a secret desire. I

19:23

kind of want the Seahawks to take Jared first. It's

19:27

a little ... I don't want it to be public, so

19:29

I don't tell anybody about it necessarily. But

19:32

I know that publicly I want

19:34

them to take an offensive lineman like

19:36

Faltano, a defensive lineman like Byron Murphy,

19:38

and also a quarterback

19:40

into their own category. Because if they draft a

19:42

quarterback in the first round, I'll be head over

19:45

heels in love and be like, all right, that

19:47

sounds great. Let's go. But secretly,

19:50

I want them to

19:52

take Jared first. Really? Yeah, because you

19:54

can't have enough edge rushers. I heard Wyman

19:56

and Bob talking about it yesterday. I played some of that sound

19:58

at 6.30. And they were

20:00

talking about Lot 2 and maybe going there at

20:02

16 or maybe even later

20:05

than that and how much they like his pass

20:07

rushing ability. And yeah, that's fine. I

20:10

guess I've settled on verse because he seems to be the

20:12

one that would kind of be in and around the 16

20:14

spot. If it was Lot

20:16

2, I would certainly be excited about that as well.

20:18

I guess I just... You got

20:20

me a little afraid with the neck and the

20:22

health stuff. But

20:25

there's this little part of me. Well,

20:28

it's kind of growing part of me, I guess, that

20:30

just says like, I

20:32

kind of want them to take care of verse. Yeah. Yeah,

20:35

that'd be interesting because you have Lieutenant Uosu,

20:37

who by the way, will probably be a

20:39

captain, and you run out the first week

20:41

of OTAs. It's kind

20:44

of one of the voices out there. You drafted

20:46

Derek Hall in the second round. You drafted Boy

20:48

Hamafe in the second round. You

20:50

picked up the option on Darrell Taylor. Just

20:52

out of curiosity with those four guys, what's

20:54

their combined number of Pro Bowls? Mmm.

20:59

Has your chin ever been to a Pro Bowl? I don't think so.

21:01

You don't think so? I don't think so.

21:03

I'm not saying definitely not, but I don't think so. Okay.

21:06

Yeah, he'd be the only one. It's

21:09

not like you've got 25 Pro Bowls there, bro. No,

21:12

but we talked about balance on a roster.

21:14

We talked about balancing a roster out, and

21:16

we saw some of the challenges at the

21:19

safety position. You talked about

21:21

just how much of your cap or how

21:23

much of your investment and how much of

21:25

your capital you can put in just one

21:27

spot, and maybe Edge is that spot. Jared

21:30

Vers is going to be one of the guys I profile next

21:32

week, so I'm right there with you. I'm

21:34

not diminishing the point, but it would

21:37

feel like a little out of balance

21:39

for the roster, for

21:41

your needs, for your big people, for

21:43

your line of scrimmage, for some still

21:45

interior depth. It'd

21:48

feel like a lot, but then again, get

21:50

to this next week. He may be interchangeable enough

21:52

within this scheme and this system. Oh, by the

21:54

way, I didn't even mention Dre Jones. Also

21:57

a guy that very similar inside and

21:59

outside. little bit so I don't

22:01

know can you ever have too much of a good

22:04

thing? You can't not that good thing you can have

22:06

too much at safety you can have too much at

22:08

corner you can have too much at running back you

22:10

can have too much at wide receiver but you can't

22:12

have too much at edge you just can't so I

22:15

understand that the

22:17

public stance needs to be

22:19

that they need to take you know

22:21

an offensive lineman or maybe a defensive

22:23

lineman because those are huge marquee positions

22:26

that they are not up to snuff

22:28

at and if you have the opportunity

22:30

to get one of those you should take it. But

22:33

difference making edge rushers? There's nothing

22:35

right there. If what you just said

22:37

is like one in the league and what you really want? No

22:39

no no different no hold on difference

22:41

making edge rushers ahead of those things but

22:44

they have better edge players than they

22:47

do in those other two positions. Yeah.

22:49

So I can understand how it gets

22:51

kind of bumped down the list of

22:54

potential desires but I

22:56

just don't see that anyone on

22:58

their team is being so great that

23:01

they're not replaceable if you have an

23:03

opportunity to get somebody who is great.

23:05

Chenna was a pro-ball alternate. Thank you.

23:08

Mafei has not been there. Darrell Hall

23:10

had all kinds of problems as a rookie

23:12

he might not even be an NFL player

23:14

and Darrell Taylor you said yourself he could

23:16

get caught with no strings attached. So

23:19

yeah you may have some people there you've

23:21

obviously got names that you're familiar with but

23:23

that doesn't mean that any of those guys

23:25

are so good that you couldn't use Jared

23:27

verse or law to or any of these

23:30

guys if they were to come in and

23:32

be difference makers right away. Who was this

23:34

Josh Edwards fella that jumped on with Wyman

23:36

and Bob yesterday? Because cut number 18 if

23:39

you can fire that one away or for me I

23:41

think it kind of led to a little bit of

23:43

what Wyman said and what you played earlier of expect

23:46

the unexpected a little bit just when you

23:48

think John Schneider you're gonna put him in

23:50

this little silo here. Josh Edwards draft guy

23:52

with CBS here he is. It's a team

23:54

that is not afraid to think outside of

23:56

the box and make a pick that is

23:59

not that's widely accepted

24:01

by the draft media. There was a period

24:03

where those first round picks were not hitting

24:05

and there was a little bit of skepticism

24:07

about their process and in the past couple

24:09

of years, they've knocked it out of the

24:11

park. I mean, two years ago was, I

24:14

said, at the end of the draft, I

24:16

said, I don't think they have any questionable picks

24:18

from this draft. That was the Tariq Wollin

24:20

draft, where they took Charles Cross, they took

24:22

Abe Lucas. I thought they hit it out of

24:25

the park and as we've now seen, they

24:27

truly did. So just looking through their process,

24:29

they're not somebody that is going

24:31

to stick to the conventional rankings.

24:34

They've got their own convictions and at the end of the day,

24:36

they're gonna stick to their board and take the best player that

24:39

they feel is available. Do you

24:41

feel like Salk if Chicago Radio called you

24:43

or some of our sister stations across Bonneville

24:45

Media called you and said, okay, we're gonna

24:47

go through some draft stuff here with you.

24:50

Do you feel like you've got a pretty

24:52

good pulse on what the Seahawks do in

24:54

these drafts? And could you

24:56

explain why the last four years they did

24:59

not trade down? First 10

25:01

years they consistently did and why the

25:03

last four years they have not traded

25:05

down but have made those topics. What

25:07

would be your hypothesis? I

25:10

could explain the second part more than I could do the

25:12

first. I don't know that I

25:14

could tell you why the Seahawks draft who they

25:16

draft. I think I could tell you that when

25:18

they've had picks near the top of the draft,

25:20

they've generally made those selections. And

25:22

for the last few years. And to emphasize, you can't

25:25

pause you right there. So whatever your next thought, just

25:27

hold on to it. I would absolutely co-sign on that.

25:29

Because I think we've heard enough

25:32

Intel after drafts where they say, yeah, there

25:34

were only X number of first round guys.

25:37

There were only X number that we would

25:39

put in this boat that we think truly

25:41

that we grade to both our board and

25:43

to our peers and to our roster that

25:45

yep, these are the bonafide difference makers. So

25:47

when they've been in that territory to take

25:49

Charles Cross or Devin Witherspoon or a Salah

25:51

Coombe or they've taken those guys.

25:53

But once you get beyond that threshold,

25:55

the difference between the grade of player

25:57

number 17 And

26:00

player number 40 is minimal. And

26:03

then the value you create by trading down to get

26:05

more picks at 40 through 95 is the way

26:10

that they want to go about doing long-term business. So in

26:12

those years, they've had picks where they see legitimate first round

26:14

talent. They've been for the most part in the top 15.

26:17

And then the one year that they weren't, I think

26:19

they tried to trade down and they weren't able to.

26:22

That was the year Jordan Love went right before them

26:25

and they weren't able to trade down. Nobody wanted the pick.

26:27

So I think that part's pretty easy to

26:29

answer. I guess you've also just kind of answered

26:32

your first question yourself by saying what

26:34

they look for is people that they

26:37

believe have the right value for the

26:39

spot where they're picking. And

26:41

this is where it comes back to your little

26:43

secret, not even a fetish, but just your little

26:45

secret of what you really do want, which is

26:47

Jared verse, is this draft could be really, really

26:50

unique with the number

26:52

of quarterbacks drafted, the number of

26:54

wide receivers drafted, the number of

26:56

offensive tackles drafted, need positions, marquee

26:59

positions around the league that people

27:01

get enamored with, a quarterback and

27:03

wide receiver, three generational type receivers

27:06

they're talking about, right?

27:08

With one of them being right here in

27:10

our backyard in a row, a couple of

27:12

generational offensive tackles. So do you

27:14

know what that means when you start doing

27:16

the math? And especially, especially if there is

27:18

a run on Bo Nix and Michael Pennicks,

27:21

there's a possibility that an elite

27:23

defender could be sitting there at number

27:25

16 for you, an elite guy, not

27:28

a, well, we kind of view this guy

27:30

or judge this guy. No, maybe somebody on

27:32

their board thought that they grayed out as

27:34

the fifth best player in this draft, seventh

27:36

best player, eighth best player in this draft,

27:39

because they don't have a need for those

27:41

quarterbacks or those tackles or those wide receivers.

27:43

So for us on our board, this dude

27:45

became the third or fourth best

27:47

player and we can get him at 16. Yeah.

27:51

And Jared verse may be that

27:53

kind of guy, Dallas Turner probably goes ahead,

27:55

maybe an edge guy out of Alabama that

27:57

could be that kind of talent. The

28:00

defensive guys are going to get pushed down

28:02

this board, which may give a new defensive

28:05

minded head coach a pretty rare market opportunity.

28:08

Dallas Turner is not going to go that deep though, right?

28:10

He will probably go before 16? Yes.

28:13

Okay. So really then, if

28:15

you were to take, yeah, it becomes a

28:17

lot to versus versus versus versus conversation.

28:21

I don't have that, but Josh Edwards, you mentioned

28:23

earlier was on with Wyman above. He talked about

28:25

law two versus Turner. I think

28:27

Dallas Turner has a higher ceiling at the

28:29

position because he's still relatively young. He's

28:32

developing at the position. It doesn't quite have

28:34

the strength that layout to last two has

28:36

lots who is probably the most polished

28:39

pass rusher in this draft class. And to

28:41

me, I wouldn't be surprised if we were

28:43

looking back in five years saying that he

28:45

was the best pass rusher to come out

28:47

of this class because he's already the most

28:49

prepared to make that transition to the next

28:51

level. But from what I know about NFL

28:53

teams, they tend to fall in love with

28:55

the athletic traits and those qualities and they

28:57

take those players higher. I mean, that's why

28:59

we saw Trevon Walker taken number one overall.

29:01

He had exactly shown a lot throughout his collegiate

29:03

career, but he tested off the charts in Indianapolis.

29:05

So now he's got to be the number one

29:07

overall pick. All right. So tell

29:10

me just briefly here, Brock, about these three edge

29:12

guys, verse, Turner and law

29:14

two. How do you, how

29:17

do you work through that? I mean, it is,

29:19

well, it's once again complicated in my, my gut,

29:21

I may be wrong on this, but my gut

29:23

tells me that medicals are really important to the

29:25

Seahawks. The part of the reason that

29:28

a Sony Michelle or guys through the years that

29:30

we look at and go, man, what a, what a great fit. I

29:33

just can't project a max Unger was a guy

29:35

who I think they felt like and they projected

29:37

from a body standpoint would not, you

29:39

know, would not be able to hold on as long as he did.

29:42

And thus they move him away and that Jimmy Graham

29:44

trade. So I feel like there had

29:46

been a time or two with, you know, maybe

29:48

I'll bug John Schneider after draft and say, gosh,

29:50

I really like this guy. I really liked that

29:52

guy. And I learned a little bit

29:54

of Intel that they have that nobody else has. And

29:57

that's the big one. If we ought to,

29:59

law two had no. neck injury, had not

30:01

medically retired, had not had the

30:03

University of Washington decommission him as

30:05

a football player, Leontu

30:07

Lato would be the first defensive end

30:09

pass rusher picked, no question asked. 265

30:12

pounds. And as I said in my profile, he's

30:14

a matrix. He would actually

30:16

bust some of Dave Wyman's analysis when

30:19

Wyman will say, what do you want

30:21

these guys to do? Do

30:23

you want them to be like the matrix in

30:25

bends, you know, and stop all of their movement

30:27

and power and inertia and all of a sudden,

30:29

well, actually he can do that. This guy just

30:32

can bend and move in

30:35

a way that it times defies gravity and certainly

30:37

defies a 265 pound man that's

30:41

not supposed to play at that level. So that

30:43

is where this one becomes a little complicated

30:46

because I mean, why in the

30:48

world would one program right here in our own

30:50

market say, I'm sorry, you know, we

30:52

can't have you play. We can't take that risk

30:54

with what's going on in your

30:56

neck, whether it's spinal stenosis, whether it's disc

30:59

issue, whether it, whatever it is like, sorry.

31:01

And we've seen it, right? Cam Chancellor and

31:03

Cliff Avril and guys have shut it down

31:05

here. I've had to shut it down medically

31:08

retire. So that is the

31:10

one that kind of throws a little further

31:13

wrench into this conversation. And then I

31:15

would say versus a little closer to

31:17

Lato in that way. And then Turner

31:20

is much younger is longer is dynamic

31:22

is twitchy is all these things

31:24

that may grow into like a Brian

31:26

Burns, elite, elite kind of pass rusher

31:28

could verse become elite. It's

31:31

pretty special man. And his combine is combine was

31:33

a little bit like my guy yesterday where, you

31:35

know, Cole Bishop ran a time and jumped at

31:37

a level where you like hold on a second

31:40

because Jared's production off the charts.

31:43

And then he went, you know, and looked

31:45

at his running and jumping and running four,

31:47

five at 260 like, Ooh, okay. Now,

31:49

now I see why this guy and he was

31:51

a little bit longer. I think than they anticipated

31:53

him being at the combine. The thought was maybe

31:55

he's not Tracy enough. Well, he

31:58

checked most of those boxes. So deceptive. Deceptive.

32:01

Very deceptive. Yeah. Interesting.

32:04

Interesting. Yeah, you know, I mean, it's one

32:06

thing when you have deceptive speed or deceptive

32:08

strength, but deceptive length. Right. Feels

32:10

like something that maybe your eyes could have just kind

32:12

of figured out while you were watching. All right, well,

32:14

there you go, Brock. Now you know my secret. Try

32:17

not to hold it over me. I'm not surprised. Oh,

32:19

really? Everybody has secrets. Well, that

32:21

was mine. I just had one little secret. Justin, you

32:23

got a secret today? Mora, you got a secret? Anybody

32:25

else? Mora kind of let her secret right

32:27

out when you came in that room. She

32:29

just took a shot right at you. I know.

32:32

When you talked about speed and Gino, and I'm going to address

32:34

it right here in blue 88,

32:36

and maybe you're just a speed hater. Maybe you just

32:38

don't respect those that can run. So might they don't

32:40

think people are as fast as they are and you'll

32:42

find out. No, let's go

32:44

to the way it is. Rocking

32:47

songs. Blue 88. Blue 88. Blue

32:50

88. We take you

32:52

to the field. This Brock

32:54

Heward breaks down three football

32:57

questions as only he can.

32:59

Now here's your hosts, Brock Heward

33:01

and Mike Saul. Well,

33:06

is Gino Smith actually the fastest Seahawks?

33:09

No cap. Facts. Stop

33:11

saying that. Why? Just because. That

33:13

was the text that I got back. I

33:15

don't care. Stop saying that anyway. From a

33:17

source very close to the

33:20

situation, 21.67 miles per hour. May

33:25

not feel like much when you're driving 21 miles

33:27

an hour in your car. I

33:29

bet Justin on a scooter is like, okay, that's

33:31

pretty good taste. 21.6 is going. I

33:34

know in Morocco on your monkey run, you were not doing 21.6

33:37

miles an hour anywhere. Three times our average speed. Yeah.

33:40

You're not doing it. Did I tell you, I asked

33:42

Justin's friend who I played golf with about her monkey

33:45

run and he was like, Oh, it's miserable. I

33:49

was like, yeah, of course it was miserable.

33:52

He was like, oh, you were on a teeny little

33:55

bike in the mountains. Do I think, do I think

33:57

if Gino Smith, Tariq Wolin, by the way, who was

33:59

number two. at 21.53. Jackson Smith

34:01

and Jigba number three at 21,

34:03

which by the way, I like

34:05

seeing that. I like seeing

34:07

Jackson running at that kind of speed.

34:09

Do I think if they got on

34:11

the track with you and Taranaburr next

34:13

Thursday and ran, do

34:16

I think that Gino would end any kind of

34:19

race? 10, 20, 30, 50,

34:22

200 ahead of Wulin and Jackson Smith and Jigba? I

34:24

don't. But I also don't think

34:27

these numbers are particularly wrong. He's

34:29

been committed to his craft the last

34:32

few years really. And

34:34

he's got a little more in the tank

34:36

than I think he lets on at times.

34:38

And certainly we don't see that with huge

34:40

explosive runs. It was frankly one

34:42

of my biggest pet

34:45

peeves. What I nit picked maybe more this

34:47

year than anything else was go use your

34:49

legs. You first year as a starter

34:51

comeback player of the year, Pro Bowl player took him to the playoffs

34:53

over what 20 times 20 occasions.

34:56

You got third down conversions and

34:58

use your legs to do that. We saw

35:00

that number cut in half or more last

35:03

season. So yeah, maybe a little

35:05

commitment here that oh, by the way, Mike McDonald,

35:07

I think you kind of like that

35:09

MVP out there in Baltimore that used his legs right

35:12

to erase the mistakes of others around you

35:14

to move the chain, stay on the field.

35:16

That's a pretty impressive number no matter how

35:18

you want to spin it. Now, question number

35:20

two. We

35:23

played that sound a few minutes ago

35:26

of Dave Wyman saying to just sort

35:28

of expect the unexpected when it comes

35:30

in. I hear it. I know you

35:32

played it in the hour before I

35:34

joined the show. Dave cut 15. Dave

35:36

doesn't just longer. Okay, nevermind. That's pretty

35:38

long. All right.

35:41

But just understand that that's what they're saying. I can

35:43

point you at the beginning of it. Here's a little

35:45

bit. The more we talk to john, the more I

35:47

have no idea what he's going to do. No clue,

35:49

you know, but no clue what he's going to do.

35:51

But I liked this guy's mock draft. And the

35:53

reason why is I raved about Leato

35:56

Lato on Friday talking about how I

35:58

think he's the most talented. edge

36:00

rusher in

36:02

this draft and they have

36:04

him go to the Seahawks. Yeah, yeah, ahead of

36:06

Jared Verz who a lot of people had in

36:08

mock drafts going to the Seahawks and even ahead

36:10

of where they're picking. So they go on from

36:12

there, but you get the idea. Brock, what would

36:14

truly be outside the box? I

36:20

think a quarterback would be outside the box. I

36:22

think Panax or Nix would be outside in the

36:24

first round. That would be is

36:26

hit me between the eyes, outside the box is

36:28

just about anything. There's not going to be a tight

36:30

end. There's not a defensive

36:32

tackle. I don't think it was in that

36:34

kind of range. Really? Byron

36:37

Murphy? I wouldn't love that. I'd

36:39

like to see him a little lower, but he

36:41

could. He could. I

36:43

mean, if they took an offensive tackle, if

36:46

one of these elite game changing, I love

36:48

Foutano and you'll hear me write rave about

36:50

him next week. He's a guy that can

36:52

slide in and play guard is what they

36:54

took a true offensive tackle because that offensive

36:57

tackle slid and fell in this draft because

36:59

you know what? Teams always want pass, rush

37:01

or salt. They want the quarterback. They want

37:03

you know, and there's an opportunity for somebody

37:05

unique to slide. Offensive tackle

37:08

with Fant, with Cross, with

37:10

Lucas would probably be another one of

37:12

those way outside the box. But man,

37:15

do not count anything out with John

37:17

Schneider in this regime. All right. Question

37:19

number three. Yeah. So,

37:25

about multi-sport athletes, Justin was

37:27

saying it would be great to have somebody who doesn't play

37:29

baseball to threaten them this year. But

37:31

Brock, how about a sport that

37:33

maybe we don't focus on all the time? How

37:37

about men's volleyball? Not

37:40

sanctioned. In a lot of states in

37:42

the country, where in high school you

37:45

have a sanctioned volleyball sport. Okay.

37:48

So, he was a, I don't know, 6'5", 315 pound. He

37:52

wasn't that size in high school, but I guarantee

37:54

you he wasn't 215. He was

37:56

probably 290. What we're doing is it? No, that's a

37:58

little heavy. Yeah, wasn't Roman. dudes it wasn't

38:00

one of your receivers was he running back

38:04

no wasn't Eddie Oh no

38:06

when any of those how about an

38:08

offensive tackle playing volleyball yeah this is

38:11

Troy Foutano it was awesome man that

38:13

experience is something I've never trade I

38:16

love the sport but you know

38:18

there was some college coaches reaching out about it but

38:20

my coaches told them that I was a football player

38:22

through and through I just did it for fun it

38:25

was just funny cuz I would go out there and

38:28

not to be cocky but like I would dominate out

38:30

there but like a lot of these guys took it

38:32

serious but for me it was just another way to

38:34

just get out there and be active honestly

38:37

I feel like it did help

38:39

a lot especially when it came to just like being

38:41

explosive and moving laterally and

38:44

it's a team sport so I mean just

38:46

like football anything nothing works

38:48

if one guy's off there

38:51

been guys talk over the years there's a lineman of

38:53

Wisconsin I liked a couple years ago he started for

38:55

the Rams but a good player not an elite player

38:57

but he was a high school quarterback turned into a

38:59

tight end turned into an offensive tackle I think his

39:01

name was David Edwards I don't know where that came

39:04

from but pretty sure that's what it is okay so

39:06

you have seen some of these offensive linemen over the

39:08

years be former a lot of

39:10

them former tight ends in high school huge

39:12

huge amount of them former tight end I

39:14

don't know through my studies over the years

39:16

that I have seen too many high

39:19

school volleyball players become elite

39:21

offensive tackle yeah but it does

39:23

speak to his uniqueness you

39:26

all make fun of me and rightfully so with

39:28

what I see with my eyes and my

39:31

judgment level and everything else but

39:33

talk to scouts talk to Daniel Jeremiah talk to others

39:35

and they would say the fact that dude plays with

39:37

no knee braces and you see

39:40

a lot of these teams a lot of

39:42

programs Kansas State tapes up these guys ankles

39:44

like a cast and every one of them

39:46

has to wear these huge knee brace every

39:48

single guy like if you're gonna be an

39:50

alignment this is a mandated our school dude

39:52

doesn't tape his ankles dude doesn't wear knee

39:54

braces dude plays like a 315 pound

39:58

karj karai out there and And

40:00

it shows and it's why I think these scouts

40:03

and these NFL people have been so enamored with

40:05

his athleticism and it's off The church I'm excited

40:07

about the karj karai reference that obviously is gonna

40:09

kind of make my day nice job on that

40:11

one for sure That

40:13

is today's blue 88 to every morning.

40:15

We do that at the you ever play

40:18

ball a little bit a

40:20

little challenging with my hand But I

40:22

can't yeah, I've played it a little bit. It's fun Yeah,

40:25

super fun fun sport, you know,

40:27

what's an exhausting sport? I'm glad you got karj karaya

40:29

in there, though Beach volleyball. Oh, it's

40:31

so tiring doing anything on the beach is exhausting Like

40:33

you try to move and nothing happened should do a

40:35

show out into we talked about Seabrook last weekend Yeah,

40:37

there's a beach volleyball tournament that goes on out there

40:39

every year But I would like to see you out

40:41

there in some den shorts Beach

40:44

volleyball turn Playing

40:47

with the boys, I mean you put that on Everyone

40:53

around that's what they did they all play volleyball and then you

40:55

go down like Manhattan Beach That's

40:58

like like a Mecca for be

41:00

all you go into a bar in Manhattan

41:02

Beach and like everyone in their men women

41:04

ever Six six and above those just crazy

41:06

walking around like spike ball, but I want

41:08

to see beach volleyball Brock I think you

41:10

need to do it. That would be Would

41:14

be something. All right Let's

41:16

see coming up. We're gonna do a little buy or sell.

41:18

We got Jeff passing who's gonna join us Brock's

41:21

got another draft profile for us today

41:23

another pretty intriguing player at a position.

41:25

They really don't need That's

41:27

all coming up. Don't go anywhere. It's Brock and

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