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Now look at you all decked out,

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Brock, in your master's gear today. Oh,

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am I? Wow. Oh, I didn't realize

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that. You don't wait till tomorrow. You

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bring it out for the par three?

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Yeah. Yeah, I'm so sorry.

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I didn't realize I was even wearing it today. Oh,

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of course not. No, not. The

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he gets ready for Scott van Pelt is going to

1:00

join us in 30 minutes. Nice work. I tried nice

1:02

work on that. Yeah, you know, I try, Salk. You

1:04

try. Well, we're going to see if we've grown in

1:06

the 15 years since we talked to Scott

1:08

on the first day of the master's

1:10

15 years ago. All right, Brock,

1:12

I read this yesterday. And maybe you can help me out. But

1:16

what's going on? Who is Sam Howell? What

1:19

is the plan here? So

1:21

I'm uncomfortable. Why? Did

1:24

you see what I sent you last late last night? Did

1:26

you see our numerology? Yeah. Oh, I'm getting there.

1:29

I'm getting there. Salk, what is he doing? I'm getting

1:31

there. Did I say that on the air or off

1:33

the air? I'm pretty sure I said it on the

1:35

air. We said it on the air. And I don't

1:38

even know what to make. Brock, we're going to get

1:40

there. We can't start there. OK, don't start there. We

1:42

are going to get there. I promise we're going to

1:44

get there because this news came out yesterday. Before we

1:46

get there, let me address this. So

1:49

we talked to Matt Miller last week,

1:51

right? And Matt Miller, our draft sky,

1:53

NFL draft sky who love, kind

1:56

of said he would take seven quarterbacks in

1:58

this year's draft over Sam House. The

2:01

six everyone's talking about plus Spencer Rattler who by

2:03

the way was visiting the Seahawks this past week.

2:06

He's like, yeah, no, I would take all seven

2:08

of them over Howell, not a fan. Okay, that's

2:10

certainly the downside. Then I see this

2:13

article in The Athletic from our friend Mike Sandow

2:15

who kind of went

2:17

through what opposing GMs and scouts and stuff

2:19

are saying about different teams and he had

2:21

this about about the Seahawks.

2:23

Adding Sam Howell stood out to execs as an

2:25

intriguing move. He played his butt off in Washington

2:27

and then they just hung him out to dry

2:29

by passing too much. He's a

2:31

little bit like Gardner Minshew but with more

2:33

arm. He's a little reckless with the

2:35

ball. You can't fix that but I don't know

2:38

how that they will. Fascinating

2:40

view. Yeah, yeah, I mean. Is he

2:42

like is he like Gardner Minshew with

2:44

the ball on the field? I

2:47

think he's got a stronger arm than Gardner. Well,

2:49

I mean, yeah, Gardner's got a butt. With more

2:51

arm. There you go. Yeah, which to me is

2:53

like Baker Mayfield. Like who's Gardner

2:55

Minshew with more arm? Baker Mayfield. Okay. And

2:57

we have said that. People have said that.

2:59

That has been written about a bunch. I

3:01

mean, that's the ceiling to me. That's

3:04

the ceiling. I'm not saying it's possible but I'm

3:06

saying that is the ceiling is a Baker

3:08

Mayfield who, by the way, went to the playoffs

3:10

and won a playoff game. He's taken two organizations.

3:13

He's turned Cleveland into a little bit of

3:15

believe land and you know, so or

3:17

maybe he's Baker without some of

3:20

that charisma. Well, but that's the

3:22

word I wanted to use because

3:24

when you talk about those two

3:26

players and the style with which

3:28

they play, it seems like part

3:30

of the package with especially Gardner

3:32

Minshew but also with Baker Mayfield

3:34

is the personality and the way

3:36

their personality pairs with that style.

3:38

It's you know, Brett Favre

3:41

had some of that personality paired

3:43

with style. Mm-hmm. I'm kind of

3:45

curious how the Howell thing works

3:47

with his personality and that style of

3:49

football. Not that I have any problems

3:51

with his personality but I

3:54

don't know whether it matches the

3:56

Baker Mayfield-Gardner-Minshew comp in any way.

3:58

Yeah. And I'm wondering from From your

4:00

perspective, how does it work as a

4:02

quarterback with that style of play paired

4:04

with his type of personality? Yeah, I

4:06

think that's a fair question. That's probably

4:08

the crux of it and why on

4:11

one level you totally understand this. On

4:13

one level, from a value, and certainly

4:16

what you're paying him, you're going to be paying him what

4:18

these six quarterbacks are going to get drafted in the first

4:20

round are going to get paid and that kind of commitment

4:22

and everything that comes with the first round pick. You

4:25

know, you're paying what, a million bucks a

4:27

year or so to take a shot on

4:29

this guy. You

4:31

are in many ways, I think personality

4:33

wise, who you are. I

4:36

don't know, I'm trying to think of how many guys, I

4:38

spent quite a bit of time, for some reason I couldn't

4:40

sleep last night. Maybe it was a Masters, maybe it's pre-menopause,

4:42

I don't know what it is but I just could not

4:44

sleep last night. And I know we're

4:46

going to talk about all these rookie quarterbacks and

4:48

I thought about Drake May and I think I'll just

4:50

talk through this a little bit here out loud. Drake

4:53

May is similar to Sam Howell.

4:55

From a personality, he's kind of

4:58

just a laid back Southerner, kind

5:00

of easy going, kind of some

5:02

of the Daniel Jones has got

5:04

some of that Southern hospitality, that

5:06

kind of gentleman ship. Like

5:09

I'm trying to think of somebody that came into

5:11

the league like that and then just totally blossomed.

5:14

And not that that's a bad personality by any

5:16

means. I mean it's just kind of chill, right?

5:18

Like golf. We

5:20

had a guy that came

5:23

here, it was a six round pick I believe,

5:25

when I was a Seahawks, old

5:28

Miami Marlins baseball player Josh

5:30

Booty. He just kind of had

5:32

the same Southern, just chill.

5:35

And the NFL is not that, the

5:37

NFL is urgency. The NFL is

5:39

like, come on now, elevate everybody around you, you

5:41

got to pick up the pace, you got to be yourself, you

5:43

got to be who you are. But there's

5:46

got to be certain urgency to you. Damon's

5:48

listening right now, he had Brody Croyle, another

5:50

Alabama quarterback with a great arm and everything

5:52

else. But he just had this Southern, just

5:55

chill. And

5:57

needing some of that urgency, Peyton was the

5:59

opposite of it. I guess Eli, you could say, had

6:02

some of that. And the bright lights

6:04

in the big city in New York and

6:06

everything in New York maybe elevated and brought

6:08

him a little bit out of some

6:10

of that and some of that urgency. But

6:12

to me, you know, that will be a question, Salki.

6:14

It's just the charisma, the leadership.

6:16

Can I carry everybody? Can I

6:19

elevate everybody? Well, especially, Brock, when

6:21

you're pairing that with this style

6:24

of play that has a lot of rhythm

6:26

in it, right? And

6:28

then, like, with those guys, you're like, hey, it's who they

6:30

are. It's Brett Favre. It's Garvin Minsch. You're

6:32

like, do I love it? Well, that's up to you whether or

6:35

not you think it's the best way to win. But

6:37

at least it makes sense with kind of who they

6:39

are. Very curious to

6:41

see how that works with this guy. Well,

6:43

Ryan Grubb's going to push him now. Ryan

6:46

Grubb, personality-wise, is, I don't want to

6:48

say an agitator, but he's an aggressor. You

6:50

know, he's going to challenge. He's going to confront. He

6:52

certainly did that at the collegiate level. Do you do

6:54

that with, you know, grown men? We'll see. Time

6:57

will fill. This is about judgment, Salk. If

7:00

this is about judgment... Yeah, I'm very concerned about

7:02

this, Brock. What do

7:04

we make of this? Tell the people what happened. Well,

7:07

you know, I saw some rumblings

7:09

and some rumors. Is the Seahawks

7:11

are getting going? Is players going to be made available?

7:13

They're going to be talking today? The

7:17

new free agents all got their numbers, their jersey numbers on

7:19

the roster. I was like, no, that just can't be. It

7:22

was from some site that I didn't fully believe. I'm like,

7:24

that's not possible. That's not possible. And

7:26

then late last night, the Seahawks sent out, you know,

7:28

their new additions with all their numbers. Yeah.

7:32

And if judgment's in question, I am sorry, you

7:34

cannot pick number six. That's

7:37

Buffy Bristol land. I mean, we can't do it. Can't

7:40

win with them. Has any quarterback ever been

7:42

successful wearing number six? Sonny Sixkiller amazing in

7:44

the sixties. Great. Totally

7:46

fit. It was in his name. Of course he's going

7:48

to win. He didn't have a choice. No.

7:51

Right. Number six? You asked

7:53

him what number he was going to wear when he came here

7:55

and you said, you know, you're going to spend a little money.

7:57

Nah, I said he should take number eight and see if he.

8:00

buy that sucker off of Kobe. He

8:02

looks like a number eight. Right. Plays like

8:04

a number eight. Absolutely. Maybe

8:06

even a number four. Maybe even a Brett Farvey in number four running

8:08

around. Is he

8:10

going to disrespect J. Cutler like this? Yeah.

8:13

J. Cutler is one of the audience. I'm absolutely

8:15

going to disrespect J. Cutler. I've been doing

8:17

it for decades. Hey, by the way, there's kind

8:19

of that Southern personality too that Vanderbilt just like

8:22

Mark Sandberg. Well, he also had like the arrogance

8:24

element of that. That's different. I don't think that's

8:26

a fair comp personality wise. Yeah. Yeah.

8:29

That didn't work either. That's a buff

8:31

fumble. Yeah. You're just

8:34

going to keep saying Bobby Brister over

8:36

and over again. Yeah.

8:41

I don't blame him. I think that's

8:44

another Southern fit. Bobby Brister. Yeah. But

8:47

I think what you're getting to there is his questioning his judgment.

8:49

And I think that's where it's really fair. Brockett's one thing to

8:51

wonder about how he looks in it. I think what you really

8:53

got to do his question is judgment and choosing it. I think

8:55

that's really the fair way to go here. Yeah.

8:58

Maybe he's going to break through. Maybe he's going to

9:01

say, this is exactly what I need. Maybe he's the

9:03

first, maybe when he wins in it and becomes a

9:05

Hall of Famer, he's like the only person

9:07

associated with it. So he doesn't have to share it

9:09

with anybody. Anybody in the NFL Hall of Fame who

9:11

wore number six, look at that. I can't imagine such

9:14

a thing would exist. It just doesn't even seem possible.

9:17

All right. With that, I guess we'll take a quick break.

9:19

Scott Van Pelt's going to join us in 20 minutes. He's

9:22

got to be in the midst of his favorite week of work

9:24

all year long as he's at the Masters. And we'll look forward

9:26

to talking to him from there. Ray Flaherty, Benny Friedman. Yeah, those

9:28

people aren't real. You just made up all

9:30

those names. We're coming up next with everything

9:33

you need to know, including the same thing

9:35

over and over and over again. It's next

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9:48

How many Yogi Berra quotes do you

9:50

know, Brock? Couple?

9:52

I know Couple. Do you know

9:54

this one? Deja Vu all over

9:56

again? Because that's what yesterday felt like. The

9:59

exact same game. We've seen a whole bunch

10:01

of times and certainly the night before the

10:03

same problems continuing night after night for the

10:05

Mariners and once again didn't do much productively

10:07

at the plate. Played some

10:09

terrible defense and most importantly didn't get the

10:11

pitching they needed from one of their top

10:13

guys. This time it was George Kirby. He

10:15

struggled, gives a five in just four innings,

10:18

gave up a big home run to Bachete,

10:20

a big two-run single to George Springer early

10:22

in the game. It just, you

10:25

can't have it. This team can't afford it.

10:27

Back to back night for we can't get

10:30

our starter deeper in the ball game and then hit

10:32

me. That is what we pride

10:34

ourselves on is pitching. Pitching defense

10:36

and getting next starter deep in the game and

10:38

we haven't been able to do that. He

10:41

mentions defense in there and it was once again as big

10:43

a problem as the pitching. You know, Polanco,

10:45

I was saying earlier, I don't know if

10:47

he's got Flubber in his glove or something

10:49

that bounces but the error he had was

10:51

brutal. It didn't cost them because obviously Kirby

10:53

gets the double play. I

10:55

don't know what to tell you about the drop throw

10:58

when Cal Raleigh has the guy pegged because that led

11:00

directly to two runs and two runs was different from

11:02

this game. Yeah, and do

11:04

you think maybe George of all of them is

11:06

going to be the most effective? It just feels

11:08

that way. It just feels personality-wise and like emotionally

11:10

and everything else and he may be the most

11:13

affected and I think you're probably going

11:15

to put Kirby and Castillo in the same bucket.

11:17

I know Kirby had one quality start that

11:20

led to a win but the other five

11:22

of six, it doesn't feel stuffy. You

11:24

know, I'm seeing 97. It doesn't

11:26

feel stuffy. It just feels command. And

11:29

a lot of the breaking pitches just fatty, just sitting

11:31

there over the middle of the plate for guys to

11:33

do some damage with and yeah, you

11:35

know, it's got today, I'm not concerned. It's a

11:37

long marathon. It's going to be 30 more starts.

11:39

Right. But you got to command.

11:41

No matter how good your stuff is, you still in

11:44

this league. You got to get guys out when you

11:46

have the opportunity because both of them got to two

11:48

strikes a lot. We saw a lot of foul balls

11:50

yesterday. Kirby said, yeah, it can be a little frustrating.

11:52

It's definitely frustrating but you know, like

11:54

my hat, I know I'm going to beat him. So like I

11:57

just got to keep telling my foul ball to myself. Lock

12:00

it and make this pitch right here. You know

12:03

sometimes they Yeah,

12:14

I think that's a good way of looking at it and

12:17

and the foul balls I think are going to affect him

12:19

they always will as he lives in the strike zone Man,

12:22

that's now four and eight brutal losers of

12:24

six of their last seven Last

12:27

game of the road trip today noon start all

12:29

eyes on Logan Gilbert. They really need him to

12:31

help them out of this thing You

12:36

need to know all kinds of meetings for the

12:38

Seahawks right now Brock is they're getting prepped for

12:40

the draft Etc. So what Ian

12:43

Rappaport says? Spencer Rattler was in

12:45

Seattle for a visit yesterday my great name.

12:47

I mean the great great name Like

12:50

he would wear six I could see Spencer

12:52

Rattler wearing six I think he like a

12:55

you know five star he was an enormous

12:57

recruit out of Arizona, right? Yeah, five-star recruit

12:59

went to Oklahoma and Lincoln Riley. He thought

13:01

okay He'd be the next in the succession

13:03

line with Kyler Murray and and Nope,

13:06

just did not really work that way and

13:08

some dude named Caleb Williams came to town

13:10

Washington DC Who was just as big a

13:13

five-star deal and then Spencer went South Carolina

13:15

the last couple years. He's played great in

13:17

spots He was the senior bowl MVP You

13:20

see Liddler, I mean he kind of fits

13:22

in the same conversation I think he's even

13:24

littler than Baker and Gardner mint you but

13:26

he can spin it man He can throw

13:28

a football and he's gonna be the seventh

13:30

QB drafted where that is It's

13:33

probably part of the reason that he was in

13:35

Seattle. They also had Jared

13:37

verse in yesterday and he's gonna stick around today. Is

13:39

that intriguing to you that he's coming by? We'll

13:43

get to that in fluidy. Oh good. I'm excited for that.

13:45

That'll be coming up here in about 25 minutes Chase

13:48

Claypool another wide receiver stop by he's been around for

13:50

a couple of years now It was the second round

13:52

pick in Pittsburgh got a few good seasons And

13:55

then that didn't work out went to Chicago that

13:57

didn't work out went to Miami that didn't work

13:59

out. Whether or not he ends up

14:01

here. Need

14:06

to know. The

14:09

other women are arrayed of the men for

14:11

the first time. Is it true I am

14:13

later minutes readings will receive they were in

14:16

the forty million was no and cost form

14:18

or another one family was some of that

14:20

is gonna be network tv vs Tvs cable

14:23

feel as a tremendous tremendous accomplishment and that

14:25

insecure my tickets. Gonna go see Caitlin Clark

14:27

play with the in the and a fever

14:29

on May Twenty second can bring Sicily Can't

14:32

wait no I thought this was and does.

14:36

Seattle. Online

14:39

if it's very. Scallops,

14:44

three goals and for gains. throw in

14:46

This is now they've all com against

14:48

the.sharks and Coyotes but still will credit

14:51

for us. Either way to we've a

14:53

question for to be of is your

14:55

that's good sign in his that limited

14:57

time off also masters underway tomorrow That

14:59

part three to say Scottish Shufflers the

15:02

favorite Rory Mcilroy is looking to complete

15:04

the grand slam Tiger Woods move are

15:06

there for and mood whether or not

15:08

he can get their all rounder to

15:10

make the cause any foreigner yeah he

15:12

remarked you're not. For. It I sure am

15:15

literally up and I gotta confess forget it's everything's

15:17

and I'll have to give you your consent before

15:19

snowed. Van Pelt joins us from August and ten

15:21

and I don't want to make this a bigger

15:23

deal than it is the maybe I did on

15:25

the text last night but on I will last

15:28

night. Try this or her babies. You can't compare

15:30

cinemark and okay fine maybe we'll be all it's

15:32

you guys it adds is it grosses as of

15:34

evil the war is pretty gross. I'm not, I

15:36

will pop or thing it's not that gross and

15:38

but it's still pretty darn grossman certainly was to

15:41

me that was dry heaving are tied. is gonna

15:43

be a freshman. Yep, times gonna

15:45

be a freshman. Our babies going to

15:47

be the last one go into high

15:49

school and they had an event last

15:51

night this big welcome for the incoming

15:53

freshmen to be in them. They.

15:56

had separated the kids they all went to the

15:58

gym and and defended their thing and all the

16:00

parents went to the auditorium and heard

16:02

from the head of school and some of the other people

16:04

and I've had this little creaky knee. It's

16:07

just been kind of bothering me and I was like, oof,

16:09

Molly saved me a seat. Awesome. Cause I was running just

16:11

a couple minutes late myself. So I'm

16:13

like, okay, I can stretch my leg out. This is

16:15

great. And about 40 minutes in 40 minutes

16:18

into a 70 minute presentation

16:20

person just comes and just has to plop right

16:23

down. Okay. In front of

16:25

you. No, no, right where I'm

16:27

stretching out my leg, my extra space. So

16:29

now I'm like, oh gosh, that's fine. Whatever.

16:31

Not that big a deal. I give grace

16:33

to people that are late. And

16:35

so they're ongoing. And then I look over

16:37

and this person is, is

16:40

not just chewing on their

16:42

fingernails. Okay. The person is

16:44

eating their fingernails. Swallowing? Swallowing.

16:47

No. Sulk. Sulk

16:49

swallowing. I call not true. And so I'm

16:51

like, oh, maybe it's just the first one.

16:53

25 minutes. What?

16:56

Eating, eating fingernails. No. I

16:58

don't buy it. At which point I turned

17:00

to Molly. She's on my right. I'm like,

17:02

I'm going to throw up. There's

17:04

no way that's true. And I kind of like do

17:06

this with my head and she looks over

17:09

and she's like, so I,

17:11

you know, and then this is the most beautiful part

17:13

though. This is the God sense of humor. So I

17:15

am, I'm, and

17:17

then I put my hand up like this, like I'm just kind of resting

17:19

because I can't look at it. It's now

17:21

to the point it's every nail. It's

17:23

going through every hand, finger. And

17:26

then all of a sudden at the very end, the pastor

17:28

on the campus says, okay, now we're all

17:30

going to stand up and we're going to

17:32

do the benediction. If you feel comfortable, you

17:34

can put your arm around the person. Oh

17:36

no. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

17:39

oh, Betsy. But

17:43

I did. You put your arm around it? I

17:45

did. I sucked it up and I put my

17:47

arm around and. Community, that fellowship. And this person

17:49

had the audacity to say, oh, hopefully not doing

17:51

that with the kids in the gym. Because I

17:53

don't know how my son's going to react to

17:55

this. I'm like, wow, son, how

17:58

about me right now? Eating

18:00

that's pretty disgusting. I don't believe you. There's no

18:02

way that's true But I think it's disgusting your

18:05

this person was not spitting out the nails

18:07

on the floor There's no place to spit

18:09

out the nails when you you're eating eating

18:11

your fingernail. I don't buy it I think

18:14

it's impossible. I've never heard of a person

18:16

eating their fingernail. No way Dusting

18:18

and I can't believe you've told us about

18:21

the story before 730 this morning Scott van

18:23

Pelt's Was not wild about me

18:25

when we first chatted 15 years ago And

18:28

I was not prepared for the Masters But you

18:30

know what we've made our peace and I can't wait

18:32

and he's gonna join us from Augusta next I'm brock

18:35

and sulk You

18:38

were listening to brock and sulk power

18:40

through the Alaska Airlines studio Yeah, I'll

18:42

sports and the Seattle sports app it

18:44

is Masters week Of course it gets

18:47

underway officially tomorrow morning Scott van Pelt

18:49

is there from ESPN. He's kind enough

18:51

to join us now Scott Good

18:54

morning. Is this the is this the best

18:56

work week of your year? Without

18:59

question, it's something we all kind

19:01

of confer about and no no

19:04

one can offer an alternative It's

19:07

just a state of mind you kind of arrive

19:09

You're grateful to be back and you just sort

19:11

of float around all week long It's it's by

19:13

and it's by a wide margin Honestly the best

19:15

work week of the year you mentioned the word

19:17

arrive and it's funny that I have that in

19:19

my second question Written down for you today Could

19:22

could you take us through for those who have never

19:24

been there? Can you take us through what it's like

19:26

to arrive there? I don't know if you remember your

19:29

first time arriving there or what it was

19:31

like this week when you arrived there What

19:33

is it like to drive up and arrive

19:35

at Augusta? It's

19:37

way different when you come back than when you

19:39

come for the first time because no matter what

19:41

you do trying to Envision what

19:43

it's gonna feel like or look like it just

19:46

it looks different just because it's more I mean

19:50

It's just it's more perfect It's immaculate in

19:52

every way and the thing about this place

19:54

and this is where I'm always cautious because

19:56

I realized the folks that Are you know

19:58

listening there this morning? And maybe they're

20:01

not golf fans. And I'm not trying

20:03

to be overly syrupy. It's just this

20:05

place makes you feel stuff. I was

20:07

talking to Xander Schoffley's coach. He

20:09

said, we got here on Sunday, and there was no one here.

20:12

And he said, we went to on the putting green. And

20:14

he said, we're there for like an hour and

20:16

a half. We might have hit 20 pucks. So

20:19

we just stood. And just your

20:21

mind, your soul is just still

20:24

and calm and serene. And every

20:27

blade of grass feels exactly right. And

20:30

everything is just so. Everybody is in

20:32

their state of

20:34

mind where they act correctly. You don't

20:36

have bozos behaving poorly. Or

20:40

there's just no bad form. It's just

20:42

a whole gratitude vibe. The

20:45

way we come in is a little different.

20:47

Because we're on the compound where we

20:50

can come in kind of around the back side

20:52

on the par three course. And the par three

20:54

contest is on ESPN this afternoon. It

20:57

actually starts around noontime out where you are. So

21:00

we kind of come up this back

21:02

way. And there's this pond. And

21:05

there's this one hole where I stop every single day

21:07

when I come in. And I just walk over to

21:09

this tee, take a minute. A

21:11

little gratitude for the universe. And thank God.

21:13

And off I go to wherever I'm heading.

21:15

And it's that kind of place. It invites

21:17

that. And I'm not the most that guy.

21:20

I can be cynical. I can be like,

21:22

yeah, yeah, this place, there's none of that,

21:24

man. You just are in this really sort

21:27

of Zen state or something almost. As I describe

21:29

it, it almost feels like that's what it is.

21:32

Scott Van Pelt here with us from ESPN. I

21:34

would ditto and cosign on all of that, Scott.

21:36

I went there in 2021. I

21:38

don't think I could ever go back. It was

21:40

that good. It was that perfect. It was limited

21:42

because of COVID. Am

21:45

I saying anything that you did? You're like,

21:47

no. No. No. But

21:49

I would say, though, going in the

21:51

back side, through

21:53

the compound, the way you do is a little different

21:55

than the older woman that yells at you as

21:58

you're walking through security. She

22:00

screams, don't be that guy. Don't

22:02

do the walk of shame. You try

22:04

to bring your cell phone, it's walk of shame.

22:07

You'll be walking right out of here. So she

22:09

kind of sets the tone a little bit like,

22:11

you're going to follow the rule here and nobody,

22:13

and I mean nobody is bringing a cell phone

22:15

into this place. No,

22:17

but you know what that does? That puts, that

22:20

makes everybody be present in a very different way.

22:22

And it also makes you be accountable and makes

22:24

me ask myself, how the hell did we ever

22:26

find each other back in the day? I was

22:28

supposed to meet three people yesterday. I said, I'll

22:30

see you at the O3 at one o'clock. Two

22:32

of them showed, one of them didn't. I waited

22:34

for a little bit and then I'm like, well,

22:36

you're not here and I don't know where you

22:38

are and I can't find you, so you lose,

22:40

right? Like, you got to be where you say

22:42

you're going to be at the time you say.

22:44

Scott, Scott, we lost, who's Pat McAfee's buddy? Who's

22:46

the AJ Hawk? We were there a couple

22:48

of years ago. I was there with a great, just

22:51

a great group of people and there were four of

22:53

us and we're like, okay, here's the deal. Like we're

22:55

going to go to the gift shop and then we're

22:58

going to all meet back right here at the practice

23:00

screen. Like, don't do anything else. Don't leave. We

23:03

cannot find you if you, and so Jordy

23:05

Nelson's back and Jimmy's back and I'm back

23:07

and where's AJ? Like, where

23:09

is AJ? And the thing is like getting going and I

23:11

want to watch Bryson D. Shambo that year. I'm like, and

23:13

we just waited and then we're like, forget it. We'll find

23:16

him. We'll find him. At

23:18

some point we will cross paths amongst all these acres.

23:20

We'll find them and you know what? Never

23:22

found them. Never found them. Nine

23:24

hours. Never, ever, ever found them. Thankfully

23:27

he had a car that he had to get

23:29

back to the show, Scott, but it is, yeah,

23:31

it's unlike anything else on earth. What is

23:33

the buzz this week? Obviously Tiger, I know

23:35

we have a decent practice round. It's been

23:37

a while since he's been able to kind

23:39

of make it through. Is

23:41

he still, as always, creating the most

23:44

buzz? I

23:47

think he always will just

23:49

his presence. Just

23:51

catching, I guess it's like

23:53

a sighting, you know, you see a group of people.

23:56

And They're all gathered around

23:58

something. The biggest group of

24:00

people, you can be certain that it that guy

24:03

still at them, which is. Mind boggling

24:05

to make as the first year you as

24:07

a lowly like like the first year I

24:09

came here scuse me. Was.

24:11

Ninety Seven, which was tigers first when

24:13

when he was twenty one. And obviously

24:15

that sort of said the whole world

24:18

on Fire by. Even. Now as

24:20

a guy with a few back in of

24:22

like that is is causing him to not

24:24

be able to complete browns he still the

24:26

guy that did you pay attention to any

24:28

of his spare. Yesterday afternoon I was able

24:31

to catch up with Justin Thomas who to

24:33

had played a practice round with him and

24:35

he said on one whole tiger hated. Why?

24:38

The whole locations was car the bottle of

24:40

swale, it rolls up the hill as getting

24:42

closer and closer and closer and crap idea

24:44

that the pages are getting excited and then

24:47

just insights she's got away. The city's got

24:49

a winner has been a get everybody all

24:51

loud up a doesn't take much right to

24:53

light the fuse always gotta do is make

24:55

up early bird and you start thinking what

24:57

if it's just such a. Such.

25:00

A chore these days for him to complete

25:02

grounds because his body is is betraying himself.

25:04

You know he sits down and that pressroom

25:06

says he wants to Went again. I'm like

25:08

go go get a big fella like if

25:11

you do a and will be that they

25:13

have the same we've ever seen but it

25:15

just feels like that's a whole lot to

25:17

ask right now. Softly got another twelve questions

25:19

on Monday some rapid fire golf lessons I've

25:22

got out of office sixteen years. does not

25:24

into golf on now? Obsessed? I would. I

25:26

don't think I could make it through life

25:28

without the Golf channel. Almighty. me i watch

25:30

more golf than i should i watch women's

25:32

college golf men's college costs lpg a p g

25:35

and will not b u bad as that's

25:37

a separate that are for sale talked about the

25:39

bastards is it i don't know what's happened

25:41

to me and i'd be humble i already am

25:43

i going to don't i don't know one

25:45

another but like a girl comes for all of

25:47

us one day and it came for me

25:49

and my mid thirties and so on elm obsessed

25:52

so let me just as you couple quick

25:54

golf questions will doom found a rapid fire what

25:56

is about he shufflers moves like in person

25:58

with that ugly leg kicks and You

26:02

just don't look at the lower half. Okay, good. Smart.

26:06

I can't look at it. You can't. It

26:08

really upsets me. No. Like, I

26:10

find him hard to watch. Yeah, but then look at

26:12

his numbers. He's the best from

26:15

T to Green that there isn't a game, and

26:17

if he figures out the putter part, then he

26:20

wins easy. I saw you talking about Rory and

26:22

a great point that for him, this is, you

26:24

know, he's looking for a Grand Slam, whereas everybody

26:26

else is just looking to win the Masters, not

26:28

that that's nothing. I saw him

26:31

yesterday. I want to say he recited every

26:33

Masters champion for the last 30 years. Is

26:37

that, is he a legit

26:39

threat this week? Could we finally see Rory get

26:41

it done? Sure. He's

26:44

working with Butch Harmon, and the thing that Butch

26:46

has been a friend for a long time. I

26:48

think the genius of Butch is there are a

26:50

lot of swing instructors that if you go to

26:52

them, they want you to swing the way that

26:54

the instructor thinks you're supposed to swing. Butch

26:56

wants you to swing the way you swing. He

26:59

just wants you to believe that that swing's good

27:01

enough. And I think if anyone can unlock the

27:03

mind of Rory to just let

27:05

him be, it'll be Butch. Or

27:07

it'll be his daughter Poppy, who he apparently he told

27:09

his daughter he had to go get a lesson. And

27:11

where are you going, Daddy? I have to go get a lesson.

27:14

She's like, you already know how to play golf. And he

27:16

was like, you know, I do. Sometimes

27:18

it's that simple. Like, just get out of

27:20

his own way and let it be. And

27:23

you know, the challenge is there's so many

27:25

really great players here that arrive with the

27:27

same hopes that he does and the ability

27:29

to win. But he absolutely is a threat.

27:31

I mean, he's that his talent is such

27:33

that he's a threat anytime he plays anywhere.

27:35

All right. So you mentioned kids.

27:37

I saw Jordan there with his little kid, Sammy Spieth.

27:40

The rest of my day rests on

27:42

your answer to this question. How

27:45

does Jordan look? And will we see him

27:47

win another major here this week? I

27:51

think so. I think so. And

27:54

the odds, I think, would be the

27:56

shortest here because his so

27:59

many games just... Mary so beautifully with this

28:01

place, which is interesting, because it's not all

28:03

the same type of player. But

28:05

I absolutely believe Speed will do that. He's

28:07

still a young man with plenty of runway.

28:11

And I would not shock me.

28:13

But I just, what I just said, if I was

28:15

going to bet on the next one or another one,

28:17

it would be this one. He's

28:19

become my favorite athlete on the planet. How weird

28:21

is that? I don't lie,

28:24

Brock. Maybe

28:27

your second. Mr. Caitlin Clark these days, just

28:29

because he's been phenomenal. It's a great sports

28:31

story. There's something about Jordan and he's frustrating.

28:33

He's all hacked to watch. And as a

28:35

fan, he drives me crazy. But

28:37

there's something about him that I just, there's something very

28:40

wholesome about him that I truly enjoy. Have you been

28:42

around him much? Yeah,

28:44

he's a good dude. If

28:46

he weren't, I would sort of gently dissuade

28:48

you from that. But no, no, you're spot

28:50

on. You'd love him. Great.

28:54

One of us sports fans loves

28:56

everything other than the one

28:58

sports that he's in. And he's kind of an everyman,

29:00

right? I mean, the thing that's funny is people act

29:03

like he doesn't hit him a long way. He does.

29:05

But it's just that it's the sneaky part of

29:07

his game. But yes, he's a really good, good

29:09

man who I like. Well, you're a good man

29:11

for taking a whole bunch of time on the

29:14

busiest week of your life. So my

29:16

last question, and you can gently persuade me and say, no,

29:18

no, you're wrong on this one, too. I'm

29:20

trying to think in my lifetime, especially doing this media Scott

29:22

over the last 18 years, 19 years or so. I

29:26

can't remember. I can't

29:28

remember somebody impacting their sport as

29:30

much as Kaitlyn Clark has other

29:32

than Tiger. When you

29:34

were there in 97, he started to feel it.

29:36

He's had oversized khakis. And it's hilarious to watch

29:39

those old highlights and how much they've

29:41

changed the course and everything else. He

29:43

changed golf. And it sure feels like is a guy

29:45

that knows women's basketball inside and out because I married

29:47

a college women's basketball player. And now Jaffee and I

29:49

talked to you call women's basketball. It's the only reason

29:51

I got in the door at ESPN is

29:54

we broke through and had that I'm trying

29:56

to find somebody other than Kaitlyn

29:58

Clark over the last 20, 20. five

30:00

years that had a bigger impact on their sport

30:03

than her and Tiger Woods. Those

30:05

are the two. They're, you're

30:08

spot on and we've been having this conversation ever

30:10

since I got on the ground here. It's

30:14

astounding to see, I loved

30:17

what Dawn Staley did afterwards in

30:20

thanking her for what she did.

30:22

She's in the same way that Tiger

30:24

was the tide that lifted all boats. Caitlin

30:26

Clark has been the tide that lifted

30:29

this sport. The numbers are astounding. The

30:32

accomplishments are astounding and

30:35

something happened on our show afterwards on Friday

30:37

night that where Diana Taurasi had this thing

30:39

where she was kind of coming at her

30:41

about realities coming and I was laughing. My

30:43

reaction to that was I, and

30:45

I said this to Chris Long on his podcast, every

30:48

great athlete and you would know Brock having

30:50

been at the level you got to, every

30:52

great athlete at the highest level, when they

30:54

know there's some star coming from

30:57

the level below, they put

30:59

a bullseye on them because they're like, oh

31:01

yeah, you think this, you're so great, well

31:03

come get some, but only the best ones

31:05

get the attention of stars like that. And

31:08

Diana saying that to me is here,

31:10

this is the last year for her

31:12

and it's the first year for Caitlin

31:14

and Diana Taurasi never says that if

31:16

she doesn't think Caitlin Clark is exactly

31:18

what she is, which is a singular

31:20

transcendent star, what she did for this

31:22

sport was I've met

31:25

with, we are a network, our society, we

31:27

have never seen anything like it. I got

31:29

the chance to talk to her after they

31:31

beat LSU. I was so grateful to talk

31:33

to her just about what it is, what it, what she

31:35

has been, what the last 40 minutes

31:37

represented for her, which she was, what she

31:39

got to, it didn't end the way they

31:42

wanted. She's incredible. She handled it all with

31:44

an unbelievable grace. I

31:46

don't know, I mean, I don't know

31:48

any, I don't know anyone on

31:50

our side of the aisle that

31:52

isn't just blown away by her. I hope it

31:54

continues in the WNBA. I hope women's college

31:56

basketball continues to get more eyeballs as a

31:58

result of her. I'm

32:01

rambling now, but that's what she is, Brock. Like

32:03

she was everything you said and more. I just

32:05

think it was a joy ride that she took

32:07

the sport on. Yeah, you get

32:09

a pretty good golf swing too. Is that true? Oh

32:11

yes. Yeah, she did with Zach

32:13

last year. I haven't seen Zach yet. I want

32:15

to talk to him about all that, but I

32:18

mean, I don't know. What

32:20

an amazing thing this year was. Did you

32:22

play with Zach Johnson? Is

32:25

that what you're saying? Yeah, they went to the, like

32:28

the John Deere last summer. Look it up. All

32:31

right. I'm on it. Look it up.

32:33

How did I miss that? How did I

32:35

miss this information? What's the matter with you? What

32:37

are you doing, Zach? Hey, I know you. You

32:39

took a week off paying attention to golf? Come

32:41

on. It's not like me. The John Deere. I

32:43

don't know. That's the one that Steve Stricker used

32:45

to win every year. All right. We gotta go.

32:47

Scott, thank you. You have to get up. I'm

32:50

sure you do. I blew through a break because man Paul Rambles. I'm sorry. This

32:52

is what you did. You asked me to come off for 12

32:54

minutes to get 18. Sorry. You know what, man? Have

32:57

the best week. We'll enjoy watching it.

32:59

Thank you so much, Scott. We appreciate it. I'm

33:02

glad I've matured in 15 years and it's good

33:04

to catch up with you. We're

33:06

all allowed to go and learn. Be good, all right?

33:08

There you go. There's Scott Binskel. For those who don't

33:10

know what I'm talking about, don't worry about it. You

33:12

don't need to know. It was a bad, bad moment

33:14

15 years ago and I'm glad we were able to

33:17

get past it, Brock. That was fun. Right now, let's

33:19

ask you some football questions. We call it Blue 88.

33:21

This is Brock and Zogg's Blue 88. Blue

33:24

88! Blue 88! This

33:26

is hot! We take

33:29

you to the field as Brock Heward

33:31

breaks down three football questions as only

33:33

he can. Now here's your hosts, Brock

33:35

Heward and Mike Saul. No, no, we won't

33:38

regret that. Do we have to? More on Justin

33:40

needs to know. No, they don't. Yeah,

33:42

they need to know that Lumberg won occasionally

33:44

and especially at that time as the station

33:46

was forming and we had poor Dick Vitale

33:49

whose throat and his vocal cords, he couldn't

33:51

even talk, but we were able to get

33:53

him on Collabro's show and Lumberg

33:55

won Twisted, I think, so Scott's arm to

33:57

have him come on with us. And

34:00

literally, Salk said something like, why should I even care about

34:02

the Masters? That's not what I said. Pretty much, pretty close

34:04

to that. Well, what did he say? It looks like we

34:06

have some stuff from that. You gotta calm down, Mike. No,

34:10

no, that was fascinating. What

34:13

was fascinating was Lumberd won the

34:16

horror in his eyes. And in

34:19

his face, Salk was asking some of these

34:21

questions. I asked one question. I asked why

34:23

the Masters mattered more than the other tournament.

34:25

And it didn't go very well. And that

34:27

was a two-minute interview. See you later. Well,

34:29

I'm glad we've grown from that, Brock. Thank

34:31

you for bringing it up again and making

34:33

me relive it. I really

34:35

appreciate it. Can

34:38

we ask you football questions now? Or are you trying to

34:40

get out of it? I know you got a text from

34:42

someone yesterday asking you about

34:44

the style of run game that Ryan Grubb was

34:46

going to have. Yep. What

34:48

did you answer? What was your answer? Yeah, it was a

34:50

really good question, right? Because you're trying to... This is a

34:53

reporter, a national guy, does an awesome job. And

34:55

it's just like, okay, I'm trying to figure out what

34:57

the Seahawks are going to do. They're going to have

34:59

to draft an offensive lineman. Or maybe two, right? And

35:01

interior of that offensive line, you look at their roster.

35:04

I mean, you just need people to fill now some

35:06

of those spots. And he said, hey, you were around

35:08

Grubb and Scott Huff up there in Seattle. What kind

35:10

of run game do they have? And

35:13

I was like, oh, good question. Yeah,

35:15

they're not just a man power scheme.

35:17

They're not an outside Alex Gibbs zone

35:19

team. They're not just a

35:21

one-to-meade zone read team. They kind of

35:23

just do whatever their personnel does. And

35:26

I think... So I get it. Can

35:29

I ask that question to see if there's just

35:31

prototypes and players that fit into different scheme? I

35:34

don't think that's going to be the case, Saul. I think

35:36

one of the advantages you have when you're a college coach

35:38

coming to the NFL, and we've seen this with a few

35:40

of them, is that I take what

35:43

we have, or you have on your roster, and

35:45

I've got enough scheme that I'm going to play with their

35:47

strengths. And that sounds easy enough, right? And

35:49

then whatever coach is supposed to do in every single sport,

35:52

just it's not about your scheme. It's

35:54

about your personnel. It's about playing to their strengths.

35:56

I think in a huff and a grub in

35:59

particular, because of Washington, couldn't say they're just one thing.

36:01

They played with their strengths at two NFL

36:03

offensive tackles at an undersized center that they got

36:05

out and they pinned and they pulled and you

36:07

know so I don't I think in this case

36:09

it will be about the best linemen the

36:11

best just talented most dynamic offensive

36:13

linemen and then they'll build the

36:16

scheme around those guys strengths. Sounds

36:19

pretty good. Alright question number two. I know

36:26

you have been saying the Seahawks aren't likely

36:28

to take an edge defender but it sounds

36:30

like Jared versus in for a two day

36:33

visit here. So it sounds like every edge

36:35

guy is in. So are you sure?

36:37

I'm not so sure. I'm

36:39

not so sure and what was this

36:41

fine fellas named Nick Baumgarner from

36:44

the athletic who jumped on with bump and Stacey

36:46

had this to say and I can't disagree with

36:48

the message this. This is not a best player

36:50

available situation but also you know knowing Mike McDonald

36:53

and what he's been able to do over the

36:55

years versus a guy who's he's actually really

36:57

good he's one of the top you know

36:59

two in the class that actually would qualify

37:01

you know as the top end first round

37:03

pick he's long he's explosive he's got you

37:05

know bend all that sort of stuff he

37:07

could be a three down player he's got

37:09

coverage range you know McDonald made his bones

37:12

nationally at Michigan with Aiden Hutchinson and really unlocked

37:14

a lot of stuff with him as an edge

37:16

that you know helped turn him into the player

37:18

that he's become and you know during that year

37:20

they were together he took

37:22

him and moved around and did a bunch of stuff I think

37:25

that a versatile athletic pass rusher who

37:27

can also defend the run and then

37:29

drop and cover is a guy that

37:31

McDonald can really do a lot of

37:33

cool stuff with he's versatile. Yes he

37:35

is well played well

37:37

played I mean Jenna's

37:39

gonna be here right just let's just do

37:41

this do this little project the math which

37:43

is gonna be here Jenna's absolute stud could

37:45

fit into any scheme in any system boy

37:49

my face gonna be here right he had

37:51

six seven games with a sack like boy

37:53

my face gonna be here this should be

37:55

a you know continued maturation and growth going

37:57

into year number three. Derek Hall with a

37:59

sector round pick last year. Derek Hall's got to

38:01

be here. I mean, he's in that kind of investment

38:04

and everything else. Joe Taylor,

38:07

I know they signed him and his restricted free

38:09

agency and everything else. I mean, that is a

38:11

lot. That is a lot of draft capital. A

38:13

lot of special because Draymond Jones kind of plays

38:15

that role at times too. He has played some

38:17

of that too, but you're bringing in all of

38:19

these guys. You're bringing in Chop Robinson. You're bringing

38:21

in Jared first. You've spent time with all of

38:23

these guys. They don't just do that for nothing.

38:26

That is not a red herring. I think to

38:28

anybody else in a draft, I think it speaks

38:30

to Salk when you ask me point blank, could

38:32

they share the good? Because it's a new regime,

38:34

new coaching staff saying, this is what I need,

38:36

John. And maybe one

38:38

of these guys gets moved and traded. I'm

38:40

not saying that with any information, but

38:43

if the title of Mike McDonald's

38:45

book is Chasing Edges, it

38:47

shouldn't be a surprise. They're turning over every stone

38:49

to find those kind of edge guys. Question

38:52

number three. We know there's going to be

38:54

a whole bunch of Huskies drafted here in

38:57

a couple of weeks of all of them.

38:59

I mean, look, everyone knows about a dune's

39:01

name. Who will surprise people the most in

39:03

the NFL? I think Roger Rosengarten, who

39:06

we chatted with what a month and a half ago,

39:08

and you felt his maturity, right? You

39:11

were very, very tepid. I mean, very

39:14

tepid. Scott, Scott

39:16

Vantel at 7.30. Great. He's on Eastern

39:18

time from, from Augusta. Awesome. Roger

39:20

Rosengarten from Southern California. It's 7.30.

39:22

And you were like,

39:26

and then he just blew it, blew it away

39:28

because he's a mature professional dude. Happens actually to

39:30

go to the same high school as my kids

39:32

have gone to out here. And

39:34

you know, he's, he's just buttoned up. He's a

39:37

grown up. And oh, by the way, he's dynamic.

39:39

He was the fastest offensive lineman in this draft

39:41

run in those low four nine, you know, and,

39:43

and got great skill and can play right tackle

39:45

and they play a little left tackle. And it's

39:47

just a versatile guy. We're going to look up

39:49

and go, man, that Roger Rosengarten, he's yet another

39:51

one of those Huskies from that 24 class that

39:53

played 10 plus years in this league. He's got

39:55

that kind of upside. All right. That

39:57

is today's blue 88 football. We

40:00

ask Brock every day at this time and we do

40:02

a lot more football. We're gonna go around the NFL

40:04

here at 8 30 We've got

40:07

mock draft time with Bruce

40:10

Feldman at 9 30 this morning.

40:12

So yeah, Brock's draft profiles at 9 o'clock.

40:14

We got like a ton of mariners Well,

40:17

we're actually we're gonna do it next as a matter of fact

40:19

We're gonna do that coming up here in just a moment There

40:22

was a lot that went wrong yesterday and

40:24

a lot of ways that mimics other things

40:26

that have gone wrong in each of the

40:28

other Games before it but there's

40:30

one that I just can't quite get

40:32

over I don't understand how it keeps

40:34

happening and I think I'd like

40:37

to see this person get the day off. It's next.

40:39

I'm rocking salt