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All right, we roll along here in a little

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Friday edition of the Brock and Salk show. I

0:47

see G. Scott outside. He's going to be coming

0:49

by in a half hour. We can

0:51

hear more about his little play date with Justin

0:53

over the weekend and the kind of fun they

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had with Betsy. And geez, he's

0:57

got some Mariners being his bonnet. I don't know what

0:59

the heck he's doing, but he's upset about something and

1:01

he wants to come in here and play gotcha or

1:03

something. He's going to get me. He's going to show

1:05

me that he's smart or something. So that's coming up

1:08

here in about 30 minutes. I'll be

1:10

prepared for that. Right now, though, it's

1:12

time for a little Shannon Dreyer conversation or

1:14

Mariners insider. Hi, Shannon. How are you? I'm

1:17

well. How are you? Mostly good.

1:20

It's good to have you guys all back and good to have the team

1:22

back. What was your kind of

1:25

overall takeaway from what you saw on the

1:27

road trip? Still

1:29

a lot of struggle. The concern is the

1:31

starting pitching. It has to come

1:33

around because Castillo and George

1:36

Kirby, far too good for what we've seen so

1:38

far. I think we've

1:40

seen baby steps with the offense. I think

1:43

still kind of where we've been with the defense,

1:45

a decent game here and a game that just

1:48

can't happen there. So maybe

1:50

a little bit of a step forward since they

1:52

left, but there's a long ways to go. Yeah,

1:55

the starting pitching. I mean, I was going to sort

1:57

of ask you of the things that you've seen, which

1:59

ones are real concerns and which ones are you

2:01

like, yeah, all right, whatever, things happen over the

2:03

course of a small sample size. What

2:06

are your actual concerns? I

2:13

think kind of going back to your previous question,

2:15

what is real, what you're a little more encouraged

2:17

about? I think when you look,

2:19

I think there are different struggles for the

2:21

three that have been struggling in particular. Luis

2:24

Castillo to me is a little bit of a mystery.

2:26

You know he's got the great stuff.

2:29

You know he's throwing it far too

2:31

much over the plate. His last start

2:33

was the most frustrating, I think, that

2:35

I've seen from him because I really

2:37

just, early on, just started focusing in

2:39

on where the catcher was set up.

2:41

And it was many, many times, you

2:43

know, Cal would call for it inside.

2:45

It would definitely go outside, call for

2:47

it up. It would go down. And

2:49

I told you, it really doesn't know where the ball

2:52

is going right now. And I think that that is

2:54

a product of the stuff that is because he has

2:56

so much movement with it. And it's something

2:58

that we suffer with Felix from time

3:00

to time. You've got to figure

3:02

it out. And what the Barriers do is they try

3:04

the targeting, and the catcher. And one

3:06

of the fun things actually has been to watch

3:09

Cal. You know, he got into a little bit

3:11

better shape in the off season. He's been very

3:13

athletic behind the plate. And you see

3:15

that with him. And you see him trying to set

3:17

those targets. And the ball just not going where it

3:19

should. Well, that to me, you can only set up

3:21

so far and set up in different places. How do

3:24

you get him to where he needs to be? And

3:26

I think that that is a little

3:28

bit of a challenge. But also, the track record is

3:30

so good that you can't feel too awful about it.

3:32

It has to happen, right? Kirby

3:34

is a little bit more

3:37

interesting because I think it's

3:39

not that he's been figured out. I mean, he

3:41

had a whole year that the league has seen

3:43

him. He's a known quantity. But

3:45

I think for the first time, it's really,

3:47

really striking him that he has to do

3:49

more than just fill up the zone, which

3:52

is over the last year, and

3:54

a few times he had a struggle. That would be

3:56

his answer. I just have to go back out there and just fill up

3:58

the zone. Keep filling up the zone. zone and you know

4:00

that's his identity hates walking people and well how

4:03

do you walk people while you don't throw strikes

4:05

and we've been over it before there are good

4:07

strikes and there are bad strikes and sometimes

4:10

it's not enough just to have the good strikes sometimes

4:13

you've got to use the illusion you've got to get

4:15

them to chase and it was

4:17

this last outing again which was a little

4:20

bit kind of not

4:22

confounding but I guess maybe encouraging that you've

4:24

seen him do it the outing before he

4:26

was able to use the curve ball a

4:28

little bit more to that effect this outing

4:31

his last outing the curve ball was ineffective

4:33

and I think that that hurt him greatly

4:35

and he was getting hit but I think

4:37

coming out of that outing and hearing how

4:39

he talked about it he's always acknowledged that

4:41

yes I need to

4:43

get below the zone with this pitch or

4:45

that pitch I think he's understanding a little

4:48

bit more that yeah you really do. How

4:51

about Julio where what have you seen and

4:53

how has he handled some of his early

4:55

struggles I think we kind of understood him

4:57

the first two years right in year one

4:59

okay fine it was he was new and

5:02

he wasn't getting any calls then last year

5:04

maybe we talked afterwards about the pressure the

5:06

all-star game etc and kind of learning to

5:09

be a star for the first time and

5:11

pressure what's

5:13

this year what's going on? You

5:16

know it's hard to tell what what I

5:18

think and you're right it isn't as specific

5:20

as the first two years even though the

5:22

numbers are very similar to what

5:24

he put up in his first year in his first

5:26

two weeks I think if

5:29

I had to take a good look at

5:31

it I think he is perhaps not a hundred

5:33

percent comfortable with the changes that he made

5:35

at the plate and you know in specific

5:37

with the setup and I think

5:39

that perhaps that's got his timing off a

5:41

little bit right now we saw him early

5:43

with the ability okay he's laying off the

5:45

right pitches in the right situations and now

5:47

that it's kind of compounded you're starting to

5:49

see a game like you saw two days

5:51

ago where he is striking out more he

5:53

is kind of flailing a little bit more

5:56

at pitches that he shouldn't be offering at

5:58

you've seen the encouraging signs you know there

6:00

with the exit velocity, you've seen that he can

6:02

lay off those pitches, but I think with him,

6:04

it's a lot of adjustments. And I think that

6:07

there is, you know, he is younger. I think

6:09

he hasn't gotten to the point where he can

6:11

make those adjustments very quickly. And

6:13

I do think that with the

6:15

setup changes that he made, it probably is

6:17

not as automatic, is not as comfortable. When

6:19

he doesn't get into the spot where he

6:21

needs to get into, it's probably not seeing

6:23

the ball quite as well. And his timing

6:25

is probably a tick off. I think that's

6:27

the biggest thing with him right now. Need to

6:29

make changes? Is that something that

6:32

was necessary? It felt like he was

6:34

pretty good. Well,

6:37

yeah, I mean, you could say

6:39

he was pretty good, but when you looked at last year,

6:41

the struggles were long and they were hard to get out

6:43

of. And that was one of the main goals was to

6:45

get to something where he could get out of those struggles

6:48

when they happened. And I

6:50

do think that eliminating a lot of the

6:52

movement that he had in a setup and

6:54

getting, you know, getting to the ball, it

6:56

was in an attempt to help him see

6:58

the ball and make those decisions better. Real

7:01

quick, Shannon, last thing, because you always have such a

7:03

good pulse on it. We said, and you and I

7:05

spent a lot of time talking about this, all right,

7:07

the clubhouse was sort of reunited after the way the

7:09

season ended last year. Everything was really positive. And we

7:11

said, okay, well, let's see how it

7:13

deals with a little bit of adversity in the

7:16

first two weeks have been nothing but adversity. How

7:19

has the clubhouse withstood some of

7:21

the early struggles? It's

7:23

fine. I, you know, you do look around,

7:25

you do see if you have some grumbling

7:27

here or there, and you're not seeing that

7:30

they're not happy with where they're at. But

7:32

I talked to the Chanager just two days

7:34

ago, and he is, you know, pointing out

7:36

to those that need it pointed out to

7:38

relax. This isn't the start that we wanted

7:40

to get out to. There's no question about

7:43

that. But there is plenty of

7:45

season. We have to make up a game here. I have to

7:47

make up a game there. Now, the most important thing is, is

7:49

that you get to where you need to be right now. So

7:52

I don't think I, you know,

7:55

it's obviously not where they

7:57

want to be, but there's no panic. And

7:59

it's I think that there is a recognition

8:01

and where that recognition isn't, you do still

8:04

have veterans stepping up and talking to players.

8:06

So I think that's okay right now. Good

8:08

stuff. Shannon, great to hear

8:10

your voice and glad you're back home

8:12

and we'll talk soon. You

8:15

got it. All right, there you go. There's

8:17

the great Shannon Dreher and you can follow her, of

8:19

course, everywhere and more importantly, read her stuff at

8:22

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8:26

see. G's coming in in 20 minutes. Am

8:29

I ready for that? You don't sound like it. I

8:31

don't feel ready. You don't? I'm

8:33

not ready. It was his birthday yesterday. You're already at

8:36

night. Is that why he's like coming

8:38

in on such a like, I don't want to fight.

8:40

I don't have it in me. His arm and right

8:42

away. I might just turtle. What if

8:44

I just turtle? Just give him a bunch of compliments.

8:47

What if he comes in and I just like full

8:49

on turtle. I put my hands up over my face

8:51

and just straight like out of the air. It might

8:53

not be great radio. I don't care

8:55

if that works. I just don't want to fight. I

8:58

don't want to fight no more. I just want to kill.

9:01

I'm tired boss. I'm tired of fighting man. Let's just,

9:03

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and salt. Here's what

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you need to know.

11:52

Mariners got to get themselves in

11:54

gear and going tonight first of three

11:56

with the Cubs and then after that

11:58

you got the Reds coming in for

12:01

three as well. So a little inter-league

12:03

series, uh, homestand rather, for the Ems.

12:06

Look, they have not started well. There's no

12:08

other way to say it. They've played some

12:10

really troubling baseball on all sides, but

12:13

they've not exactly, uh, let anybody else

12:15

get too far away from them either.

12:18

The Rangers are in first place. They're a

12:20

whopping two games ahead of the Mariners today.

12:22

The Astros have really struggled out of the

12:24

gate. They're four and 10 star theaters, a

12:27

big old wow. So everybody's right there, right

12:29

within striking distance. Bryce Miller will be on

12:31

the hill tonight against Jordan Wicks. Reminder, it is

12:33

on Apple TV tonight. If you're looking to watch

12:36

course, you can listen to it right here on

12:38

Seattle Sports on 7 10.

12:40

Well, good news on the injury front on both

12:42

of the relievers were waiting on that crash through

12:44

my PC. I

12:47

went very well. So we'll keep our

12:49

fingers crossed. He's been in

12:52

a throwing program now working

12:55

his way towards getting out of the mountain. I

12:57

don't want to get too much like

13:04

that, but it has been

13:06

very positive. So shake it up. You

13:10

were dancing all the time. That clip was, you

13:12

know, I think I can like your little cars on

13:14

there. Uh, anyway, that would be great.

13:16

Be great to have brashback. Be great to see Santos

13:19

eventually. But remember, that's

13:21

not been the problem. Those guys aren't going to come

13:23

in and start hitting. They certainly make your bullpen better,

13:25

but that's not really been a challenge and they've gotten

13:27

kind of enough of what they need there. Hopefully,

13:31

um, hopefully they can just

13:33

start doing what they need to

13:35

do. Play defense, hit and pitch

13:37

the way you're supposed to in

13:39

your starting rotation. And that's got

13:42

to start tonight. You need

13:44

to know, love the interview with

13:46

John Schneider yesterday with Wyman and Bob. Two

13:48

things jump out. The first is at the

13:50

end of this clip here as he was

13:52

asked about their 30 visits that they had

13:54

with two quarterbacks, Spencer Rattler and Bo Nick.

13:56

Yeah, no, we don't study quarterbacks because we

13:58

were drafted too. I get it. know,

14:00

no, yeah, we want to get to know these guys

14:02

and look better and spend time with them and especially

14:04

the real impressive guy and so is Bo

14:06

and we want to be able to spend a little bit

14:08

more time on those guys, have the coaches be able to

14:10

spend more time with them on the board and yeah, you

14:13

want to cautious of their time as well. They're out here

14:15

on West Coast visits. So try to set those up when

14:17

they're visiting the Rams, the Chargers, the Niners and try to

14:20

fit those in and we love Sam. We love what

14:22

we did being able to acquire Sam and we talked

14:24

about the age. He's got the experience, but that doesn't

14:27

preclude us from what we do in the draft. It

14:30

doesn't preclude us from what we do in the draft.

14:32

And then we talked to Bob Condota, they blew 88

14:34

and he's like, yeah, that definitely echoes everything he's heard

14:36

from Schneider and others as well. I

14:38

don't know. It felt to me after the Sam Howell

14:40

trade, as if it was a admission on John's behalf

14:42

of luck, we're not going to get one of the

14:44

guys we want. So we better get somebody and just,

14:46

you know, have Sam Howell in here. Maybe

14:49

that's not the case. I mean, maybe it's

14:51

as Bob said, like, look, they, this precludes

14:54

them from having to, but it doesn't preclude

14:56

them from doing so. And I do think

14:58

it's an interesting scenario. What if they do take panics at

15:00

16? Could you then

15:02

find a trade partner? What did we say

15:04

that the actual value for, um,

15:06

for how it was basically a sixth round pick

15:09

when you kind of maneuvered it all on? What

15:11

if you then traded him and, and got back

15:13

a fifth or a sixth round pick at that

15:15

point in order to help you here, get back

15:17

into this draft and maybe move back up into

15:19

the third round. So yeah, I don't know. I'm,

15:21

I'm maybe I'm kind of back

15:23

open minded to the idea that that could actually

15:26

be a possibility. Here's

15:28

one other from Schneider asked

15:30

about the offensive lineman and how

15:32

things have changed with the way

15:34

they identify them. When we

15:36

got here, we were looking for the zone,

15:38

the coach gives stuff, you know, the who's

15:41

coaching for a coach like Shanahan, the, you

15:43

know, the cutoff guys, the guys that could

15:45

really, the quick, you know, understand we ended

15:47

up being a little too, too much too

15:49

quick, too undersized. Right. And you get a,

15:52

you know, if you, then also you change

15:54

the system and now you're too light and

15:56

then your pocket pocket and integrity is compromised.

15:58

Right. So we have the same. type of body

16:00

types that we want. And we try to stick to

16:02

that. And guys that can execute, we want to

16:04

be able to execute. But everybody, every

16:07

position, they all come in different shapes and sizes.

16:09

Yeah, so kind of interesting to see that that

16:11

has evolved a little bit. And it is one

16:13

of those challenges. When you switch systems, it seems

16:16

like they kind of now just have what they

16:18

want. And they're going to adapt around it. You're

16:21

still searching. You need to know. I'll

16:24

tell you who absolutely nailed

16:26

this right now is Bryson DeChambeau. Just a

16:28

lot of it based on timing, right? So

16:31

he started off yesterday before the wind really

16:33

kicked up. He managed to go seven under.

16:35

And then this morning, as things have been

16:37

awful, a lot of guys have

16:40

been kind of heading down the leaderboard in

16:42

the wrong direction. So he's still there at

16:44

seven under, leading the Masters after one. Max

16:46

Holm has teed off today. He has six

16:49

under through three. Scotty Scheffler's right

16:51

there at six under. And then it's a

16:53

couple back to Cam Young, Danny Willett, and

16:55

others after that. So early second round action

16:57

now at the Masters. And we're not going

16:59

to talk about where Jordan Spieth is. He's

17:01

clearly not doing well. I don't know what's

17:03

happened to him. I don't know if he's

17:06

sick, if he's hurt. But he's

17:08

like eight over. So something has obviously gone

17:10

terribly, terribly wrong. Yeah, it's

17:12

just it happens in the best of us. Literally.

17:16

In the best of us. In the place. In the world. Yeah,

17:18

all right. There you go. That's everything you need to know. We've

17:20

gone through the show, hey, stuff a few times today. But

17:23

that is a pretty ugly situation. Heck, I'll play

17:25

you the sound. This

17:27

is the US attorney in the case,

17:29

Martin Estrada, talking about the charges that

17:32

are now being filed against

17:35

he pay Mr. Uhara, his former

17:37

interpreter. Our investigation has revealed that

17:40

due to the position of trust

17:42

he occupied with Mr. Uhara, Mr.

17:44

Mr. Uhara had unique access to

17:47

Mr. Uhara's finances. Mr. Mr. Uhara

17:49

used and abused that position of

17:52

trust in order to take advantage of

17:54

Mr. Uhara. Mr. Uhara

17:56

used and abused that position of trust

17:58

in order to pull. plunder Mr. Otani's

18:00

bank account to the tune of over

18:03

$16 million. I mean, that's

18:05

pretty clear cut, right? I mean, the US

18:07

attorneys, we've talked about before, US attorneys generally

18:09

don't go and take on cases unless they're

18:11

going to win them. They just don't

18:13

do it. US attorneys don't lose. Like, by

18:15

the time it gets to them and they

18:17

decide to prosecute, they know they've won or

18:19

else they don't bother. So if

18:21

this is the way they're talking about this case, I

18:25

would say it's as close to exonerating

18:27

Shohei Otani as you possibly could right

18:29

now. They have a lot of text messages

18:31

and they apparently have proof that it was

18:33

actually EPA that called the bank and pretended

18:35

to be Shohei at times. Yeah.

18:38

The message from Bookmaker to EPA is like, you're putting me

18:40

in a position where this is going to get out of

18:42

control. If I don't hear from you by the end of

18:44

the day, it's going to be out of my hands. Yeah.

18:48

Yeah. I mean, the guy

18:50

had a serious problem. He stole $16 plus

18:53

million. As

18:57

we said at the beginning, it

18:59

was believable that Shohei was behind it

19:01

and that he was using this guy

19:03

to place bets in his name. And

19:06

as I told you then, it was believable

19:08

to me that a baseball player would have

19:10

enough faith in somebody around him to just

19:12

not even deal with his own finances and

19:14

just let somebody else do it. And

19:17

that appears to be anyway what's happened

19:19

here with EPA. So crazy

19:22

story, crazy situation. Read the complaint. Everybody should read

19:24

the complaint. I think that's another one G wants

19:26

to talk about. I think he doesn't believe it. We've had some

19:28

people say like how come his agent or other

19:30

people weren't asking questions and I saw something earlier

19:32

where his agent apparently asked a couple of times

19:34

and EPA said that that was a private account

19:37

that Shohei didn't want anyone looking

19:39

into. Yeah, I bet he did. Yeah. I

19:41

don't know. You don't want to look into that, whatever you do. All

19:44

right. Speaking of things you don't want to

19:46

do, I really don't want to even have G on today because

19:48

I know he's going to come in and want to fight with

19:50

me and I don't want to fight. I just want us to

19:52

be friends. I want everything to be hunky-dorsk. We went to that

19:54

concert. We had a good time and now we vote for blood.

19:56

I don't understand. Do you think you can just play just the

19:58

way you did during the draft? reactions, explain

20:01

your emotions, share your emotions to G through song.

20:03

I think I would just, yeah, maybe. Let me

20:05

think. Let me see if I

20:07

can steal myself and be ready for this.

20:09

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23:01

This is Brock and

23:03

Salk powered through the Alaska

23:06

Airlines Studio. On Seattle Sports

23:08

and Space. I'm

23:12

not able to run it. The people need it today.

23:14

They do. Friday. They

23:17

do. They're going to have G-Scott in the building. Come

23:19

on, man. What's up, man? I'm good, man. How

23:22

was your play date with Justin

23:24

and Betts? It was great. Vancouver,

23:27

B.C. did not disappoint. Matt,

23:30

I mean, my man Justin was in the building

23:32

and he was with Betts. Yeah, you got to

23:34

hang with Betts. I got to hang with Betts.

23:36

And I know everybody today at

23:38

830. I know it was

23:41

must hear radio. You

23:43

wanted to know what was it like with Betts?

23:45

Because there was a tweet that confirmed it. It's

23:48

official. It's official. She's real. Right.

23:51

Yeah. So let me explain

23:53

Betts first. Okay. And

23:56

I'll explain what I see

23:58

with this relationship. relationship between

24:01

Justin and Betsy. Okay. Tell

24:03

us about Betsy. All right. Have

24:05

you guys watched Lifetime movies

24:08

before? You ever watched Lifetime?

24:10

You ever watched those Lifetime? Anyway,

24:12

on the Lifetime movies, there's

24:14

always, it's usually the same damn story where

24:17

you go back to Christmas movies. Yeah, you

24:19

go back to the small town and the

24:21

gal goes back and she's there visiting family

24:23

and just so happens to run into an

24:25

old fling. Right. And they live happily ever

24:27

after, right? So, the one

24:29

that goes back to the town is

24:32

always like this. Like she's

24:34

really good looking, right? She's

24:37

successful, but she's so humble.

24:40

Right. She's so nice. Yeah.

24:43

It's more likely to spend

24:45

time, investing time into the

24:47

community, giving back, volunteering, right?

24:51

Y'all, Betsy is a

24:53

Lifetime movie. I'm telling you,

24:55

that's actually a pretty good

24:57

call. I got to say,

24:59

that's sad. Justin tried to say at some point

25:02

that she's the girl next door. She's too pretty.

25:04

You don't get to be tall and blonde and

25:06

pretty and still call yourself girl next door. Like

25:08

that's obnoxious. You can't do that. Now,

25:11

Lifetime movie, that's a pretty good call.

25:13

So, I could have easily gave you

25:16

all girl next door, but

25:18

I don't think it would have done it

25:21

justice for who Betsy is.

25:23

Right. I'm not just saying this,

25:25

y'all. Betsy

25:27

is the ultimate girl

25:30

next door. Ultimate. What?

25:32

Let me explain. Let me go into a while.

25:35

First of all, first of all, like

25:38

I'm still going to understand how

25:41

in the world that did

25:44

Justin land this amazing.

25:46

Right. So, one minute. Because

25:48

everybody likes Justin. What? They

25:51

do. One minute. How? Who

25:54

doesn't want Justin? I didn't

25:56

say yes or no. I was thinking about it.

25:58

I would say you definitely insinuated no. Yeah. What's

26:01

that feeling? So anyways,

26:03

like, when

26:05

you first see Betsy, when I first

26:07

see her, I'm like, oh,

26:10

wow. Hey, hug. Like,

26:14

well, she is incredible looking. And

26:16

then she sits down and talks in

26:19

the conversations and it just

26:21

flows so well. She's engaging. She's

26:23

curious. She asks you questions. She

26:26

is just a really down to

26:28

earth person. So it was happy

26:30

scratching my head all weekend. How

26:33

did Justin land Betsy? And

26:35

what'd you come up

26:39

with? Nothing. Nothing. Well,

26:41

Justin, you were ready going on this trip at this point?

26:43

No, he's a movie star. No,

26:46

I figured it out. Justin

26:48

is a, he's from Montana and

26:50

in Montana, Justin was a real

26:52

big deal, right? No. Were

26:55

you prom king? Were you prom king? Yes or

26:57

no? I think it might have been homecoming.

26:59

No, no, no, no, no, no. He said it might have been

27:01

both. No, stop right there. Yeah. Were

27:04

you prom king? He was the king so many times

27:06

he can't remember how many. Which king were you, Justin?

27:09

There was more than one, but I don't remember if it

27:11

was prom. Well, let's remember. Don't try to be homecoming. Brock

27:13

sent us a picture. He asked us a question. I

27:16

know I was homecoming king. I know I was homecoming king.

27:19

Okay. So again, he's a homecoming king. Lifetime

27:23

movie, right? Justin is the guy

27:25

in the Lifetime movie. And so

27:27

what happened was, instead

27:29

of Betsy going to Montana,

27:31

she meets the homecoming king

27:33

in Seattle. Oh, the reverse.

27:37

That's what happened. And they're awesome

27:39

to travel with, right? Really

27:41

cool. And you really start to find out about

27:43

people. Like you might like, oh, I

27:45

like this person. I like this person. And

27:47

then you go travel with them and you're like, nope.

27:50

Matter of fact, I have somebody close to my family

27:52

that just actually did that. Oh, really? Was

27:55

really loving this person. I can't wait. They went

27:57

to go on a trip to Florida. And

28:00

yeah. They were done. Yeah, we're done here that so

28:02

text messages 36 Oh lifetime movie basically means

28:04

She's a psycho that may or may not want to

28:06

boil your rabbits Yeah,

28:11

do you mean Hallmark movie when you say yeah I

28:15

think movies are all like sort of like thriller scary.

28:17

I think a little bit Life

28:21

time does the Christmas movie normal But yeah a

28:23

lot of their movies are about like someone getting

28:25

their child stolen or three six. Oh

28:27

Justin just got that riz Is that true? Justin?

28:29

Do you have great? We're is now so as

28:32

far as Justin another thing Justin

28:36

swag I Respect. Oh,

28:38

I like like I

28:40

really like it like he owns

28:42

his deal. So up there in First

28:46

night my man pops out with

28:48

the Rainier's jacket Filthy

28:51

and the evidence field still satin. It's a

28:53

good one. Oh, it was it was clean

28:55

like like something My homeboy was like hey

28:57

man, that's exactly clean. I was like Yeah,

29:00

like you can't he was shot. You can't

29:03

say nothing. Right? Were you hoping to say

29:05

something? Uh,

29:14

that might have been that night. Oh, no, it's next night.

29:16

It was next night They did it was a grip age

29:18

mental about this stuff. What are you so judgmental? But what

29:20

everybody's wearing? I don't know Wait

29:24

a minute The

29:27

same way you're judgmental yeah with people

29:30

like me that are upset about baseball

29:32

and not Baseball

29:35

snob right here's the fight. I want to

29:37

play with you Oh, you wrote something and

29:39

I know you your subliminal shots were being

29:41

taken at me in that article I can

29:44

honestly was not it was to you in

29:46

many ways, but it was not supposed to

29:48

be a shot at all It

29:50

was an explanation of why we may

29:53

have our wires crossed of why some people

29:55

are thinking one thing and others are thinking

29:57

another And none of them are necessarily wrong

30:00

Honestly, it was supposed to be a peace

30:03

offering if nothing else or no shots. I

30:05

don't feel like it's a peace offering. I

30:07

feel like sometimes that all of you baseball

30:09

experts and all of you all that cover

30:11

baseball when there's the pedestrian fan, the someone

30:13

who doesn't cover it the way that you

30:15

guys do, they don't follow it the way

30:17

that you guys do, but it has just

30:19

jumped in. By the way, real quick, baseball

30:21

was my first love. I

30:23

used to love baseball, kind of fell out

30:25

in love with it for a long time

30:27

and then now I'm back watching it wholeheartedly.

30:29

Looking for two shots, the Chicago Cubs are coming

30:31

in town to play against the Mariners. That's happened

30:34

tonight. I'm looking forward to

30:36

it. But once we have questions, once

30:38

we don't like something, I feel that

30:41

you become a baseball snob. But

30:44

it's like your feeling, I think you're honestly

30:46

projecting that. How am I

30:48

being snobby? Because

30:51

two weeks ago, if we were to

30:53

talk about it, I made a comment

30:55

and you hit me with a question

30:57

mark like April 2nd question mark. And

30:59

it's interesting because you gave me the

31:01

question mark April 2nd and everything that's

31:03

happened April 2nd, I can still ask

31:05

you the same thing as April 12th

31:07

question mark because some of the same

31:09

things are happening. So if I say

31:11

I don't like that this player is

31:14

batting at this position, I mean

31:17

what I mean. Don't tell me I'm

31:19

wrong based on when you got it. You got to

31:21

look at this. You got to look at that. No

31:23

one said you were wrong. You're not

31:25

wrong. No one says you're wrong.

31:28

Okay, well I feel better now. I think

31:30

in front of everybody. No one says you're

31:32

wrong. You're nicer with me on this conversation

31:34

in front of everyone. You are what I

31:36

want. Jokes aside, honestly, you are reading too

31:38

much into this. I'm not being mean, I'm

31:40

not being rude, I'm not looking down on

31:42

you, I don't think you're wrong. You are

31:44

entitled to think whatever you want about the

31:46

Mariners. I don't like when people put

31:48

their thoughts onto me. And I don't

31:50

like when people say, well this is what's going to happen. I'm

31:52

like okay, well I don't necessarily think that. I

31:55

don't think about the grand

31:57

scale of things on April 2nd, 2013. games

32:00

into a season? I don't. If you

32:02

want to, you can, but I

32:04

don't think that it makes a lot of sense given

32:06

the way baseball is played, over 162. If

32:10

those things continue for 10 more games, for

32:12

15 more games, for 60 more

32:14

games, then obviously you've

32:17

identified a problem. But

32:19

the game is so littered with complete 180-degree turns

32:22

from day to day, from week to

32:26

week, that I think if

32:28

you were to manage that way, if a manager

32:31

were to react to every single time he saw

32:33

something like that, your team

32:35

would have no structure, would have no vision,

32:37

it would have no consistency. And

32:40

honestly, you couldn't function that way as a

32:42

baseball team. Fair. I don't

32:44

expect to function like a manager.

32:46

I don't expect to look at

32:49

baseball like some of the experts.

32:51

However, I do think that I

32:55

represent the majority of

32:57

people in America. You know what I mean? No,

32:59

no, I'm just saying. I think everybody

33:01

thinks that, but yes. Well, I'm talking about

33:04

when just a casual fan of baseball, right?

33:06

Like I know the game, played

33:08

the game, watched the game at some

33:10

point. Now I admit it to you guys and I'm

33:13

getting back into it and watching it. So

33:15

when I say I'm the majority, I don't

33:17

think that the majority of people in America

33:20

sit down and watch baseball religiously. I just

33:22

don't think that they do. And so when

33:24

you do, as a casual fan, you come

33:26

in and like, oh man, I'm just going

33:28

to jump in and I'm going to watch the

33:31

team. And you start to say, oh man, this

33:33

isn't good or this isn't great. And you start

33:35

asking those questions. And then when you start being

33:37

told what, that's just baseball and oh,

33:39

it's just April 2nd and it's

33:41

April, even though in the article, and by the way,

33:43

I want to just say this, I

33:45

think what you wrote in Seattle sports, and by the way,

33:47

if you haven't seen it, Mike Salk did an excellent job.

33:50

I, you know, for the first time ever, I

33:52

read everything word for word. Thank

33:54

you. I'm honored. At least I'm

33:56

being honest. Hey, so I, no,

33:59

I'm kidding. I said the whole thing, I thought

34:01

what you wrote was fantastic. I thought what

34:03

you wrote was for

34:05

people like me, right, to get

34:08

an understanding. I also loved

34:10

how you talked about, like, okay, look, in

34:12

baseball, the manager's not going to come out

34:14

in the media like, oh, this needs to

34:16

happen, oh, and scream, rah, rah, rah. I

34:20

love how you gave the example how

34:23

on Wednesday during the day game, instead of

34:25

Cal Raleigh playing in that game. Instead of

34:27

him having the day off, he played. I

34:32

love that example that you gave. That was excellent,

34:34

well done. And I think that that article helped.

34:38

But I think it took a moment for you

34:40

to get to that article, because before that article,

34:42

I don't think that you had that type of

34:44

way of accepting. I didn't feel that way. This

34:46

is what I literally said to you ten minutes

34:48

ago, which is I feel like we've had our

34:50

wires crossed a little bit, that when I say

34:52

it's early, I don't mean it's okay. But

34:55

people who say it's early or get

34:58

upset with the phrase it's early seem to

35:00

be insinuating that it's never going

35:02

to be okay. And everything is

35:04

bad, and everything's always going to be bad, and

35:06

it confirms their views on the future. And

35:09

all I'm trying to say is when you say it's early, which

35:11

it is on November, what is today, April 12th, the

35:15

Mariners stink today. They play

35:17

terrible baseball. Nothing

35:19

is excusing. By saying it's early, it

35:21

doesn't excuse lousy baseball. Because I wrote

35:23

in it, early does not mean excusable.

35:26

Nobody wants to see this. But

35:29

it doesn't mean that that's what's

35:31

going to continue. Baseball

35:33

is played with averages. The reason we use the

35:35

word average so often in baseball, you're batting average

35:37

or on base percentage, right? Because over time, things

35:39

tend to hit their mean in baseball. They go

35:42

up for a while, they go down for a

35:44

while, they come up for a while, they go

35:46

down, they go down further, they come up, they

35:48

go up higher. And at the end of your

35:51

career, you're a 250 hitter. You

35:53

got hits 25% of the time. Some

35:56

days it wasn't like that. Some days you went 0 for 4, some days

35:58

you went 3 for 4. And eventually

36:00

it worked out to one hit every four

36:02

at bats. That's why

36:04

I can't look at a 10 day stretch

36:07

or on April 30, four days stretch and

36:09

say, this is indicative of who this team

36:11

is because no four day stretch

36:13

is indicative of who a team is. None.

36:16

And by the way, a few years ago, when the Mariners,

36:18

remember the year, the Mariners. 2019

36:20

13 and two, when they sold everybody, right?

36:22

They sold off Cano. They moved on from

36:25

Nellie Cruz. They rebuilt. They said, we're done.

36:27

We're out. We're going to rebuild. They

36:30

started off that year 13 and two,

36:32

they were awful. I think they finished

36:34

16 something wins. Edwin Encarnacion had a

36:36

couple of home runs. Who was the

36:38

guy? Jay Bruce hit like four home

36:40

runs in the first week of that

36:43

season. That team was terrible. 68 94.

36:45

They finished 68 and 94. They

36:49

started off 13 and two. Remarkable.

36:52

I just, it's, it's not that the beginning of the

36:54

year doesn't matter. It does matter. Last

36:57

year, they didn't make the playoffs because they stunk

36:59

in May, but

37:01

it, it doesn't indicate the future.

37:04

That's all the, that's all I'm trying to say. If

37:07

you look at me, would you say that I'm

37:10

somebody that's good at marriage? Well,

37:13

you haven't been in the past, but that doesn't mean

37:15

you won't be in the future. I'm

37:17

going to say that. You're up. That is a little bit. He

37:20

has made comments that weren't like that

37:22

before. Right. Yeah. Right. Okay. So you

37:24

got them on that one. Hold on.

37:26

Let's keep going. Good

37:29

at marriage. Now I've never said that. Okay. Let's

37:31

keep going. Let's keep going. Why

37:33

would you think that, um, I wasn't

37:35

good at marriage at some point? Because

37:38

you have three that have gone awry in

37:40

the past. Okay. Right. So,

37:43

so what I'm saying is, is

37:45

that when we are talking sometimes

37:48

about present day, right, sometimes

37:51

the past does

37:53

matter. Right. Right. Okay. But,

37:55

but what a baseball team or football team

37:57

like the part at least influences your opinion.

37:59

But they're different humans. How many times?

38:02

How many times have we said it's

38:04

early in the last 10 years here?

38:07

Every year. Including the

38:10

year they were sold. So, teen and two. So, hold on,

38:12

hold on, hold on. Because

38:14

it is. Why? Why? Is

38:17

it just because it's baseball or is it just because me and marriage? So,

38:20

does the past matter at all? Does it influence

38:22

the way we think about something for a day?

38:25

If anything has happened in the past? Look,

38:27

I'm just airing this out right now. I'm just

38:29

telling you how... Yes, it does. Which is why

38:31

we continue to say it's early. Because the history

38:34

of baseball is littered with themes that did one

38:36

thing for the first week of the season and

38:38

something else for the ensuing, you know,

38:41

five months and three weeks. Gee,

38:43

the past can also handcuff the present. Like, right?

38:45

So, you can't let that completely project onto what

38:48

you're looking at. I don't disagree. Yeah, that's... Why

38:50

don't you look? At the cost of

38:53

throwing myself under the bus, right?

38:55

I'm doing that to make

38:57

a legitimate point, right?

39:00

You can't say to someone who's

39:02

casually getting into the game of

39:04

baseball, right? You can't like,

39:07

oh, yeah, you don't understand. You can't panic. You

39:10

don't know. Hey, I had a

39:12

little past here. What would you motion?

39:14

What would you... So, let me ask

39:16

this. Let me, in the interest of trying to be

39:18

a helpful person, the next time you

39:20

come to me in April, early April... By

39:22

the way, I don't even text you guys anymore. Can

39:25

you tell me your cockamamie view in

39:27

America? What would you like

39:29

me to say? What

39:31

would be a good response? What would

39:33

not insult you? What would

39:35

be welcoming? Tell me

39:37

what you would like me to say that

39:40

doesn't conflict with my actual beliefs of

39:42

the world. Short of

39:44

just agreeing with you, which I don't do... No,

39:46

you don't. Well, I don't. I'm like, I

39:49

just don't think the same thing as you in

39:51

this case. What would you like me to say

39:53

that you think would appease you as, as

39:55

you said, a casual baseball fan? Let's just

39:57

talk about right now. So

40:00

instead of like, hey, you

40:03

know, this is just baseball or hey,

40:05

it's still early. Let's

40:07

talk about baseball in

40:09

its early phases of right now, of what

40:11

we see right now, right? We don't have

40:14

to talk about years previous. And

40:16

by the way, I'm going back to the

40:18

marriage thing. We don't have to talk about

40:20

the past because you can be better than

40:22

your past was. Let's just talk about that.

40:25

So for example, if tonight I go out

40:27

with my friends and I decide not to

40:29

come home on a Friday night, we're

40:32

not going to talk about the last previous nights that

40:34

I was doing well. We're going

40:36

to talk about that night. That was bad.

40:38

That wasn't good. So when I talk to

40:40

you about baseball in these games, Mike Salk,

40:42

let's talk about right then. Like, yeah, you

40:44

know what? You have to do that too. You

40:48

have to do that too because when you

40:50

ask me questions like, is JP going to

40:52

be better? That's not about right now. Is

40:55

Julio go? I'm just reading your text. Is Julio

40:57

going to be better? Well, you

40:59

want me to answer what he's doing right now? You're asking

41:01

me about the future. When you say things

41:03

like JP has to be out of the lead

41:06

off spot, that's not about how he's playing right

41:08

now. These are about your feelings about the future.

41:10

I think there are different kinds of fans and you

41:12

guys are arguing over like how to be a fan and

41:14

you just need to be the kind of fan you are.

41:16

And I think you can both say, you know

41:18

what? Your feelings are valid. I disagree. Is

41:21

that what you want me to say? I'm a more

41:23

pessimistic fan so I understand that. You would think of

41:25

the two of us that have been married way longer

41:27

and have done a better job that your communication skills

41:30

might work. My work is not as high maintenance as

41:32

you are. But I

41:34

think that your communication around marriage and

41:36

relationships is better than it is than

41:38

baseball. Because when I'm talking to somebody

41:40

in my marriage, we both have equal

41:42

stake in our marriage. You come into

41:44

the Mariners for two minutes, think you've

41:47

got an expert opinion on it and

41:49

then why away? Whereas I have to

41:51

sit here and wait doing it every

41:53

single day. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Stop

41:55

that. Maura,

41:58

do I come in as if I'm an expert? I'm

42:00

clearly telling you guys. You told us you were

42:02

pumped about this season and you wanted to get

42:04

more into it. That's it. I don't

42:07

claim to be an expert. I for sure don't

42:09

know baseball the way possibly I might know other

42:12

sports. And some can argue whether I know those

42:14

things at all. However, I've been around other sports

42:16

way longer. Just think about what you're saying. What

42:18

you're saying is I don't know this sport that

42:20

well. I've asked somebody who I think does know

42:23

this sport that well what they think. I don't

42:25

like what they're saying, so I'm going to call

42:27

them in a lead-in. No, no. I just say

42:29

I don't like the way you respond to me.

42:32

It's the same way I respond to anybody else. You respond

42:34

to me. You're just more high maintenance about it. Hey,

42:36

I don't know a whole lot about this. Can you

42:39

tell me what you think? You seem to know more

42:41

about it. Well, I think you're overreacting. Well, I don't

42:43

like that. Don't tell me I'm overreacting. Well, I... What

42:46

do you want me to say? Okay, well, how about this?

42:49

I'll simplify it. Okay. You said

42:51

something about maybe two, three minutes ago. And

42:54

you said, hey, gee, right now,

42:56

this team stinks. Right. Okay,

42:58

I'm done. That's it.

43:01

That was all I wanted. I mean, like, what we were seeing right

43:03

then. Now, can they turn around? Absolutely. Right. Should

43:06

they turn around? On paper, it says,

43:08

yes, that they should. It does

43:10

say, I agree that, you know, my man

43:12

Julio won't be hitting like this the entire

43:15

time. The lead-off hitter won't be hitting like

43:17

that the entire time. Right? Luis will finally

43:19

become an ace at some point on paper.

43:21

So, yes, we agree. Okay. I'm

43:25

so confused about you in general. Wow. I

43:28

love this assessment. The 425 says, Salk and

43:30

G, you sound like every fight I have with my

43:32

wife. She wants to vent. I want to try and

43:34

rationalize her problems. It never works. Just not in comfort.

43:36

Yeah. If you just want to vent, go vent to somebody

43:38

else. We're not married. No, that's the other guy. You've been to

43:40

the person you're married to. You want a hug or do you

43:42

want help? Do you want a hug or do you want help?

43:45

But when I do vent, you

43:48

are not a safe place. No, I'm not.

43:50

For me to vent. Okay.

43:52

We have a breakthrough. Stop freaking venting

43:54

to me. I'm not here to absorb

43:56

your venting. I have my own issues.

43:58

I don't want to. to take on your

44:00

issues? And by the way, now since we're talking, if

44:02

you just heard Mike Salk say, don't vent to

44:11

me, vent to someone else, just make

44:13

sure it's just baseball. Because

44:15

I'm going to tell you what I'm learning in life, fellas,

44:18

if she tells you or you

44:20

tell her, I don't want to hear it. I

44:23

don't like that. Don't even vent to me. You

44:25

sound like a nag. Trust me, player. She might

44:27

start to vent to somebody else. I do not

44:29

marry you. I want to be very

44:31

clear about this. You and I do not have a

44:33

marriage relationship. Yeah, we do. We do not be cruel

44:35

to death. Yes, we do. I am not committed to

44:38

you. You are until the day I die. Yes, you

44:40

are. No, I'm not. Why am I

44:42

on radio? I don't know. I don't

44:44

know. I don't know. Why am I

44:46

married? Please, please, please. I don't want to be married

44:48

to you. I don't want to be married. I have

44:50

one wife. It's enough. I chose my wife,

44:52

personally, because she's not high maintenance. I

44:56

don't need the higher maintenance person to have

44:58

a relationship with. I

45:05

am already the high maintenance one, which

45:08

is why I matched with a very

45:10

low-maintenance woman. So there you

45:12

go. All right. Jean, thank you. I

45:14

guess. It was nice to have you today.

45:16

Happy belated birthday, Jean. What did we accomplish? Very

45:18

little, I would say, other than

45:21

to drive listeners to another radio station. But hopefully they're

45:23

heading over to... Justin and I are good counselors. Sorry.

45:26

No. No, we're just going to let you guys

45:28

duke it out. Most people say this looks like

45:30

terrible radio and that Mike looks visibly upset. I

45:33

might be. Yeah, I might be pretty accurate. No,

45:35

I'm not upset. I love you. We'll go hug it

45:38

out afterwards. This text, 253, you guys are killing me.

45:40

I'm about to walk into UPS listening to this dramatic

45:42

quarrel. Now,

45:45

the interesting thing is, is I know people,

45:47

they're probably saying, oh, this is

45:50

just a shtick for radio.

45:52

I promise you, this is all the time. Like

45:58

all the time. Alright,

46:00

alright. Love y'all. Hey, I guess that's the right word

46:02

for it. Love you too, brother. There goes G. We'll

46:04

be right back It's Brock and Salk. Oh, Stacy's coming

46:06

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