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You're listening to the Bronco's Audio

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Zone. Hello

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and thank you for joining us here on the Broncos

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Audio Zone. I'm Phil Malani. Joined

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us always by Eric Balala. We

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are back with another episode of Broncos

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Country Throwback. Today, Ring

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of Famer Simon Fletcher joined

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Jim Sakamano. You feel excited

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to hear from Simon Fletcher, obviously

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ranked second in franchise history

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in quarterback sacks, and Um,

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I think people are going to enjoy Jim's

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conversation. Some good stories, not just

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about football, Phil, but about

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life and how Simon

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Fletcher grew up. So with that, let's

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get to Jim Sakamano's conversation with

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Simon Fletcher. Were

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honor today to be talking to Simon Fletcher,

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Denver, Bronco's Ring of Famer on

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Broncos Counts three Throwbacks.

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Simon, you were a great player, but

1:04

there are a couple of things in particular that have

1:06

always always fascinated

1:08

me about you, one

1:11

of which is in order. Um.

1:14

The second, which we'll get to, is that you

1:17

act like you're not a player. And I

1:19

say that as a compliment. We'll get to that, and

1:21

I don't mean that as it insult to anybody else. But

1:24

but the first thing is you had an unusual

1:26

route to being a football player. You know, you

1:29

were not somebody who from the age of six

1:31

years old said you were going to play in the NFL.

1:33

You want to talk a little bit about about

1:36

your story of that regard Simon Well,

1:39

I had an older brother, Robert,

1:41

who was the first person

1:43

to start on our varsity

1:45

football team in Sound, Texas all four

1:48

years, and he was totally

1:50

dedicated. But I see him come home

1:52

with teeth knocked out and the constant

1:55

rigorous workouts in hundred degrees.

1:57

So I wanted nothing to do with football.

2:00

Um, he got a scholarship

2:02

to Texas A and high Way. He made

2:04

All American as a freshman, and

2:07

for whatever reason, he got married during

2:09

the military and left after that year.

2:12

And uh, it's sad. And my mother, so

2:14

I came in from work the summer the

2:16

summer after and I asked her

2:18

if I would if she would allow me to play football

2:21

my senior year, and if she would,

2:23

I promised her that I'd earned a scholarship

2:25

and played ten years in the NFL. And

2:28

she says, well, bought you so, skinny, they'll

2:30

break you into and compared to my

2:32

older brother, I was. He had muscles and his

2:35

toes, his years just everywhere, and

2:38

I was the antithesis. But I

2:40

had worked, UH during construction

2:43

and started a launch service since my parents

2:45

had split up a few years earlier, about eight

2:48

years earlier, and to help

2:50

the family. So I had had

2:53

muscle and I had strength. It just didn't look

2:55

it was deceptively uh strong,

2:58

deceptive strength that I had it. So I

3:00

went out for the two of days, UM,

3:03

I had to run twenty five miles because I hadn't

3:05

participated, and the coaches wanted to make sure

3:07

I was in football shape. UH,

3:09

third string going into the season, and

3:12

I think Game three, the starter went

3:14

down. UH my coach, Marshall

3:17

Brown skipped over the second stringer and

3:19

put me in and I managed to collect

3:21

five quarterback sacks that night and we went

3:24

on to the state championship at the Houston Astrodome

3:26

at the end of that year. So I

3:29

was I was very unlikely to

3:31

have lived the life that I've had and UH

3:33

played Division one college, let

3:36

alone eleven years in the NFL. You

3:39

know you said that, and I know every word

3:41

is too, but when you really pause

3:44

and think of it. Of what you said.

3:47

You know that you didn't play until you were a senior,

3:49

you were third strings. You made a

3:52

promise to your mother that quite frankly

3:54

seems ludicrous. And

3:57

you you fulfilled all of this stuff

3:59

and and but that's how you did it. From the broncos

4:01

you just worked every single

4:04

day. There was never an issue,

4:06

never a situation. Um,

4:10

well, I actually I had one little situation.

4:12

Remember the time you picked up Steve Kalk,

4:15

a sports writer for the Rocky Montain News, and kind

4:17

of gave kind of gave him a little fling into a

4:19

bush. Yes, I do call

4:22

it vividly. Yeah, he had. He

4:24

had asked a question that, in my opinion, was

4:26

a snyde nasty question,

4:28

really personal and snide. And

4:31

I know you remember that. But but the funny

4:33

thing is when I got back to my desk,

4:36

I had a phone resting from your agents. So

4:39

I returned it and I thought perhaps it had something

4:41

to do with that, and it just happened and

4:44

he said, you know, you know, hey,

4:46

no he had to do nothing about it, but he said, I'd

4:48

like to talk about it, getting Simon a little more publicity.

4:51

And I said, well, gee, that that'd be

4:54

wonderful. However, about

4:56

fifteen minutes ago this happened. Yeah,

5:02

we needed Steve cop to make

5:04

that happen, Yes we

5:06

did. Now, Simon, Uh,

5:08

you know you you had a great career with the Broncos,

5:11

and records are meant to be

5:13

made to be broken. You are all time sack

5:15

leader. That was of course pre Von

5:17

Miller. Now it's it's

5:20

not going to be broken very much. But

5:22

but again, records are made to be broken

5:24

and eventually, uh, we move on. Um,

5:27

what are what are some of your great even though

5:29

I know you're not a guy who focuses

5:32

and I did this, I did that,

5:34

I did this. But what are some of your

5:36

favorite moments that you experienced

5:39

with the Broncos. Well,

5:41

Uh, one of my favorite

5:44

moments is, uh, early in my career,

5:46

I had read in a newspaper clip where

5:49

people were poking at Mr Boland for

5:52

wearing his uh famous

5:54

now infamous for coat on the sidelines

5:57

when we had cold weather, and so

6:00

Pat came out and he was standing near me in

6:02

practice. I said, man, what do you make of all

6:04

this fuss about a guy's coat? And

6:06

he what he said to me really

6:09

influences my life. Even to this day,

6:11

he simply said, I don't

6:13

care. And what that said

6:16

to me was that you will

6:18

find things a negative about

6:21

yourself in the press, and you

6:23

know you're not that bad. But on

6:25

the flip side of that coin, you'll see you'll see

6:28

a lot of praise and you have

6:30

to realize you're not that good. Don't care because

6:33

people who are not affiliated with what you're

6:35

doing, they may help you to

6:37

foster your career, but their

6:40

opinions are a second hand.

6:42

They're not on the field. They don't understand

6:44

everything about the situation. So

6:46

I use Mr Bees, I don't

6:49

care in many situations,

6:51

or I change it to what for when

6:54

I'm getting ready to do a business. I don't

6:56

care in terms of what for That means why

6:58

do I need this in my life? What to take

7:00

away from me as far as time and leisure

7:03

and family, wow, compared

7:06

to what it can add to my life. So in

7:08

many situations, I just look at it and

7:11

I say, there's another fur coach

7:13

situation, because you well

7:16

and you know you're right. Uh. I had a situation

7:18

once where somebody criticized,

7:21

somebody within the Broncos criticized

7:23

how I was handling the media thought I was oftentimes

7:26

a pr I gets criticized for being too friendly

7:28

with him, but really, what you just do it as his

7:31

job and working with him anyway,

7:33

I said, no offense, I said, but

7:36

you don't know what I'm doing. But I don't

7:38

care what you say. I'm doing what I

7:40

need to do. And you can say anything

7:42

you want to say to me or behind my

7:45

back. You can use any curse

7:47

word or anything you want, no

7:49

problem. That makes you feel good. I

7:51

don't care. And I found that very

7:54

empowering assignment and

7:59

liberating because you were done with the situation.

8:02

Yeah, I'm done with it because I've

8:04

given in permission. I've said you call me anything,

8:07

that's fine, no problem. I'm not

8:09

gonna be screaming at you. That's

8:11

great, And it absolutely

8:14

liberates you from the situation. And uh

8:16

uh, you get into

8:19

the second part of what I wanted to mention to you. Simon.

8:22

You were a great player, However you

8:25

never acted like you were a player.

8:28

You did everything you were supposed to do in terms

8:30

of lifting and meetings

8:32

and practice and and everything and

8:34

playing hard and being being part

8:36

of really some great teams, but

8:39

uh, it always seemed like you had

8:41

something while you were just very

8:44

balanced. And I'd like you to talk a little

8:46

bit about about that philosophy and

8:48

how it's guided you since you retired,

8:51

because some guys when they retire, they

8:53

really craved the public eye. And

8:56

if we didn't dig you up, Simon and

8:58

behind you, seriously,

9:01

I'm not sure I'd ever see you in the public

9:03

eye. But so the fads would like to

9:05

know what you've done and what you're doing. Um

9:09

well, first let me let me uh inform

9:13

everyone what helped to foster

9:15

me. Number one. I grew up within twenty

9:18

miles of both sets of both sets

9:20

of grandparents, and they were very humble

9:22

people. And so when when

9:24

you when you hang around that attitude

9:27

and you recognize that most of the things

9:29

we do in life are not because

9:31

of our own individual efforts. There

9:34

are people associated with us without

9:36

whom we wouldn't have a chance that accomplishing

9:39

very many things that hopefully we would

9:41

over the course of a lifetime. And secondly,

9:45

I knew coming in that your

9:48

NFL career could end abruptly

9:51

with us with an injury in any practice

9:53

or game, or you could uh

9:56

out outlive your usefulness

9:58

to the organization and the direction it decides

10:01

to go in. And so from

10:03

day one, having my little girl with me

10:05

and being her only parents, I decided

10:08

that I would plan From day one, I

10:10

e Ashley and I shared a one bedroom

10:13

apartment until I had purchased four

10:15

rental homes, fixed them up myself at

10:18

nights and during the off season, so

10:20

that once we got a house, she would never have

10:22

to move. And uh having

10:25

her there grounded me because,

10:28

uh, guys want to go out and hang

10:30

out on a Monday night after watching

10:32

the game film. Well, I'd rather go

10:35

home and hang out with my little girl and we'll cook

10:37

a meal and sit and read and have

10:39

a good time. So a lot

10:41

of it's me, but I

10:43

think a bigger part is having that

10:45

responsibility there. So that

10:48

once we did by a house, we

10:50

bought a modest house that I knew I

10:52

could afford if I was flipping burgers at Mickey

10:54

D's and then part time in the subway.

10:57

And uh so that for last

11:00

if it got ingrained in me that every

11:02

time I get a check, I've got to

11:04

invest some for this little

11:06

girl's future because I saw her someday

11:09

attaining a master master's degree

11:11

and it costs money. So there

11:13

are things that maybe I would have wanted

11:15

to do. I don't know. I think I'm a natural born

11:18

conservative. But football,

11:21

to me was a great opportunity and it

11:23

was a wonderful time during meetings,

11:26

practice, and during games,

11:28

especially the games. But when it was

11:30

over, I still gotta be Simon Fletcher.

11:33

I've now been retired. I've now been retired

11:35

more than twice as long as I played, and

11:38

so the values

11:41

the work ethic have been priceless

11:43

to me since uh January

11:46

nine, when I took off

11:48

my pleach for the last time. What

11:51

a what a great philosophy officier

11:54

to Bury, the long retired

11:56

head football coach at the Air Force

11:58

Academy. You to say many

12:01

times and speaking engagements, that if

12:03

you're walking down a country road and

12:05

you see a turtle sitting on top

12:08

of a fence post, you

12:10

have to remind yourself that that turtle

12:12

did not get there by himself. The

12:15

turtle did not get the top of the fence post

12:18

by himself. And a lot of

12:20

times we all say, boy, looked

12:22

at me, Boy, I've done something. But

12:24

if we really take a moment to reflect,

12:27

somebody else helped us, told

12:29

us, something said something to us, set

12:32

an example that that was

12:34

there for us to follow. Well, that

12:36

was my emphasis during my Ring of Fame induction

12:39

with all the interviews, I

12:41

said, uh, you know, I'm taking it with

12:43

a grain of salt. I appreciate

12:46

it. I'm a brand is happening, but I

12:48

also am reflecting, and I say,

12:50

if there wasn't a Paul Smith or Barney

12:53

Chambers, or a Lion Lado

12:55

or Runand Jones or Carl Mecklenburg

12:58

ninety seven point five, it would just be a radio

13:01

station. As

13:05

you said, for me, when you talk

13:07

about a sack, you're talking about hundreds

13:10

of guys over the course of eleven years who

13:12

helped to make it possible. Yeah,

13:14

I landed on the quarterback, but somebody

13:17

was covering the tight end. Uh, in the

13:19

shallow route, somebody was covering the deep

13:21

receivers, and somebody was containing the quarterback

13:23

from the opposing side. So every

13:25

play, it took eleven guys, and it

13:27

took a coaching staff making the

13:30

proper calls for the situation so

13:32

that you can make it happen. So, yeah,

13:34

Simon got the credit for it number seventy

13:36

three, But there are a whole lot of numbers and some

13:38

guys without numbers, without whom

13:41

it would have never happened. I'll

13:43

tell you, Simon uh in times

13:45

that we always have, we always have improvements

13:48

to make as a society, and in times

13:51

when there's a whole bunch of stuff they had worked

13:53

on. The stuff that you say

13:55

it is U is a message that ought to

13:58

resonate with any person breathes

14:00

air really well.

14:03

I certainly hope so, Simon

14:06

Um. Now, I am fascinated by what you've

14:08

done in the business, in the food service industry

14:12

here in the state of Colorado, which

14:14

is I think interesting because you're

14:16

from Texas. You certainly could have

14:18

moved back to Texas. Why did you

14:20

stay here and you've been here all this time? And

14:23

tell us a little bit about what you're doing now and

14:25

what you've done some really creative,

14:27

intelligent things in food service. Well,

14:31

when the team first flew me in uh

14:35

D, i a didn't exist. We had stable

14:38

from the airport just just east of the

14:40

park Hill residential neighborhood. And

14:43

as that plane was coming in for the landing,

14:46

uh I could see the western sky

14:48

in the in the mountain escape, and

14:51

I looked at my little girl, almost two

14:53

years old, and I said, Honey, I think we're

14:55

home. I had never seen anything

14:58

so break breathtaking in part some

15:00

in my life. And so when I compare

15:03

this to hunter plus degree

15:05

temperatures and humidity

15:08

and tropical storms, the hurricanes.

15:12

Um. I told my children when they were

15:14

starting to go off to college, we'd have a one

15:17

on one is each one left for college, I

15:19

said, just remember this when

15:22

I'm when when I when it's time for me to end

15:24

my life, don't bury me in Texas.

15:27

I'd like to stay here. That's

15:32

great, Simon. Now tell me about

15:34

what you've done in the restaurant world. UM.

15:38

Well, I started when I was playing, as you were aware,

15:40

with the restaurant called the Dog House

15:42

that I bought UH cheap when

15:45

I was leading the Chili Dog and ice

15:47

Cream Cone. It Later UH expanded

15:50

in the eight restaurants throughout the Metro

15:52

area out to our vator in Loveland,

15:55

and then I got into construction.

15:57

After some of those I decided not to read

16:00

the lease, others I sold off and

16:02

UH scouting construction. And in two

16:04

thousand and eight, when the market crashed, I

16:07

kept my guys and paid them until

16:10

the until they found other employment

16:12

to take care of their families, and after that,

16:15

I decided I was gonna do what I love. By

16:18

then, all but two of my children

16:20

were in college, so I figured, I don't

16:22

need the big money, but I need

16:24

to enjoy my life daily,

16:27

and so I started a barbecue

16:29

restaurant in Greeley, and that building

16:31

ended up having some structural issues when

16:33

we wanted to expand. It's now

16:36

still condemned. Since thirteen went

16:38

out to Fort Morgan and we

16:41

had the second highest

16:44

purchase orders from Cisco Foods

16:46

in Morgan County Logan County.

16:48

But I couldn't get employees to come

16:50

to work, so I decided I would

16:52

go mobile ahead of what well,

16:57

I think it's just the attitude, and

17:00

I think a lot of it too has

17:02

to be parenting. Kids

17:04

are so accustomed to everything being handed

17:07

to them that they show up as

17:09

young adults who don't desire to go to college.

17:12

They have no particular skill, and so they land

17:14

in the restaurant business. But their their

17:16

attitude seems to be I'm

17:18

only here hanging out

17:20

until pay day. After

17:24

I had dropped thirty or forty pounds and we

17:26

needed to buy some smaller bridges, I decided

17:28

I better let this go and find

17:30

another deal. So I started mobile and

17:32

presently I'm building a food truck

17:35

park in Platteville. I got the least purchase

17:37

on the property off Highway eighty five,

17:40

and when it's done, it'll have space

17:42

for four or five food trucks, and

17:44

if I have five other guys and I'll

17:47

have a day off and I'll work inside.

17:49

But I think with the COVID

17:52

virus, UH, people's fears

17:54

are gonna make food trucks most

17:56

viable for the next three to five

17:59

years. And after that, if I need to

18:01

adjust, I'll figure it out and move forward.

18:04

But I'm excited about a little

18:06

town in Plattville, with all the traffic

18:08

up and down Highway eighty five from Shy

18:10

and Wyoming clear down to denver Um,

18:13

to be able to provide different

18:16

types of foods. There's different ethnic

18:18

foods, different regional foods

18:21

in a small town and the passers

18:23

by. So that's got me sighted.

18:25

I've been getting up at four o'clock in the morning.

18:27

I just left there an hour ago, and

18:29

I just sit there and I dream as the plan starts

18:32

to take take hold, and I

18:36

think that's fantastic. You know, another

18:38

element that I think is just great.

18:40

It's just great. You are

18:42

a black man and that

18:44

area of Colorado is

18:47

about as white as it's gonna be. Uh.

18:50

And I realized there may be some Hispanic populations,

18:53

but I think that there's about ten thousand ways

18:56

you can talk about it's all positive

18:59

of what I said is doing in

19:01

a in a part of the world, You

19:03

know what I mean. Uh, it's

19:06

just it's just great. I saw the sign was that

19:08

said, if somebody wants to make good somewhere,

19:11

well, why not make good right here, right

19:14

now, because this is the place

19:16

and this is the time. Well,

19:18

I hear from friends back in Texas

19:21

from pre high school, high school

19:23

and college. Man, what are you doing out

19:25

there? You know there's no black people out here

19:28

the world. Okay, well why don't you come

19:30

and visit. You'll love it. But what I find

19:32

um, regardless of their

19:36

skin color, what we call

19:39

their race on on the documents,

19:41

I think good people are good people.

19:44

And what better way to introduce

19:47

people to a black man. That that's

19:49

the antithesis of what you see on television,

19:52

in the movies and on hip hop and rap videos.

19:55

See somebody who gets up, goes to

19:57

work every day, who will never say

19:59

no to go into a school and encouraging

20:02

children and uh with in

20:04

the helping hand if he sees one's needed. So

20:08

I think a lot of the racial problems

20:10

in this country here based

20:12

on lack of familiarity. Well when

20:14

I agree, and

20:17

you know nothing, everybody's got to eat, and

20:20

food is a great equalizer, isn't it. It's

20:22

a great equalizer. It is

20:24

that. I'm quite a cook, fair So, yeah,

20:26

I know who you are. In fact, in

20:29

fact, for the TV show when I interviewed

20:31

for the TV show a couple of years ago, um

20:34

and they just never got around to it because

20:36

it involves a TV crew. But what they

20:38

said was we got to go down to Simon's restaurant

20:41

and watch him at work some time for a part

20:43

of a feature. And I said, well, that's a great

20:46

idea. I'm willing. I know Simon's

20:48

willing, But you know, those guys are

20:50

busy, and they got a lot of bets to cover and

20:53

they got cameras to pack, and it

20:55

just didn't work out. But one of these days

20:57

we're gonna pop in on you, Simon. In fact,

21:00

I know the guys that the Broncos are listening. You

21:03

would be a prime person to

21:05

put on all these Bronco videos

21:08

that we have on the website. They're always looking

21:10

for content, and boy, you can

21:12

give about as much content as an imaginable

21:14

Simon. Yeah, it sounds

21:16

like it could be fun. Yeah,

21:19

of course, I'm gonna point out I still think

21:21

you got to charge the full price for the meals that

21:23

you serve. Oh

21:26

yeah, I do. I

21:29

do so when applicable and when I can afford

21:31

not to, I do it. And that there are

21:33

people even though we may never have met or

21:36

met only a couple of times, when

21:38

you're associated with the Broncos

21:41

or with the media that helped the tank us,

21:43

even though we were in a small market, to a

21:46

team that loves country and

21:48

worldwide. I think we I

21:50

know, I do. I feel a little bit

21:52

of a sense of gratitude. And so

21:55

when when I said when I do a discount,

21:57

all I'm saying is thank you for what you do.

22:00

Help me and it helps guys

22:02

who do what I did. And

22:05

you know, Simon, I'm no expert in in

22:07

your field, of course, but but I

22:09

think we've hit on this before that when you

22:11

talk about a food truck, I think

22:13

we live in a society where people weren't. Certainly

22:16

they want good food at the good price, but

22:18

they're also in a hurry and they

22:20

want to kind of eat fast. They're they're

22:22

not as interested. No offense to anybody

22:25

who owns something else, but they're not too infferent

22:27

in the city down for a two hour and five minute

22:29

dinner somewhere unless it's a really

22:31

special occasion. So that

22:34

boy, when they see a place like yours, and

22:36

as you've said, you know, you've got to prove it to them

22:38

by taste and so forth. But they're very

22:41

interested in that, absolutely.

22:44

And I also think that the food

22:46

trucks will join me there in platt Ville. They

22:48

will get to added benefit because in

22:52

how long have I been here, thirty five years,

22:55

I've made a lot of friends everywhere I've

22:57

landed or visited, and so once I opened

22:59

up and we get our way of page that they

23:02

will have customers come in looking

23:04

for me, but they'll be right there in case

23:07

somebody in the party wants to choose another

23:09

entree something I don't offer. Well,

23:12

and you know you mentioned that in thirty five years

23:14

you've made quite a few friends. I

23:16

would counter that, says I cannot

23:19

imagine that You've run

23:21

into very many guys who have said I

23:24

just don't like that, Simon Fletcher. That

23:26

is unimaginable to me. I know

23:28

it's possible, but it's unimaginable

23:31

to me, and there have

23:33

been a few who have tried to say it after

23:35

our first encounter. But interestingly

23:38

we end up meeting again

23:40

and again, and then you have to consider

23:42

one another friends. And that's

23:44

the way it is. Some people aren't

23:47

used to dealing with honesty, and if you ask

23:49

me a question, I make a statement, you get honesty

23:51

from me. Mm hmm. Yeah.

23:54

Sometimes that isn't what they want to hear. And we do all

23:57

that. But Simon, I am

23:59

honored to be able to talk to you and to

24:01

be able to call you a friend. Just

24:03

delighted. I wish you every success and

24:06

uh, and I thank you for doing this podcast

24:08

with us. Jim, I thank

24:11

you. I've always considered you a friend.

24:13

And if you ever need me in the future, don't

24:15

call him to ask whether I can do it, Just

24:17

tell me the time and place and I'll be there,

24:19

buddy. You know that is uh,

24:22

that's a great comment. I had another player,

24:24

once Lyle Alzado,

24:26

who was a very misunderstood guy. And

24:29

maybe he was a little bit bipolar. I mean he

24:31

I don't I'm no judge, but because on

24:33

the field he was crazed. But once

24:35

upon a time I used to put notes

24:38

at his locker. Can you go see this sick child,

24:40

et cetera. At one time he told

24:42

me, Jim, Jim, please

24:44

don't ever ask me again if I'll go see

24:46

a sick kid. I thought that meant

24:49

that he was done, but he said, just

24:51

put his name and addressed in my locker.

24:56

That's that period. And Lyle, I

24:58

mean when I say he went to he everybody. If

25:01

I put in a locker, it was

25:03

done. And he went and uh that

25:06

my friend is also Simon Fletcher. Wow,

25:11

okay, I don't have cleena. Stop it. Okayman,

25:16

thank you so much. You're doing this that

25:19

uh we'll be talking to the future. Okay,

25:22

okay, take care, take care now, Simon,

25:24

bye bye. That

25:27

was Jim Sackim on his conversation with Ring of

25:29

Famer Simon Fletcher. So I really

25:32

like that line that without all the guys

25:34

around him, ninety seven point five would just

25:36

be a radio station. Yeah, such

25:39

a humble guy. I never wants to take

25:41

all the credit. And I think anybody who's

25:43

ever been around Simon Fletcher knows how

25:45

interesting he is. He'll never just give you a

25:48

generic comment. He always has something

25:50

funny to say and uh, really interesting

25:52

to see what he's done after his football

25:55

career, And of course we've seen him

25:57

be around the Broncos teams the past couple of years,

26:00

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26:02

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