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Only in theaters May 3rd. Rated PG-13. Welcome

1:33

back to Buckeye Talk. I'm Stephen Means. That's

1:35

Nathan Baird. And that's Andrew Gillison. We're wrapping

1:38

up draft coverage. It's not really coverage. It's the last

1:40

draft thing we're going to do for a

1:42

while here. Obviously, Ohio State had four players taken

1:45

in the 2024 NFL Draft. Marvin

1:47

Harrison, Michael Holt Jr., Tommy Eichenberg, and

1:49

Kate Stover of the nine. Though I

1:52

think Nathan, as of we're recording this

1:54

pod on Monday morning, all

1:56

but maybe two guys of the other group who

1:58

didn't get drafted. have at least

2:00

signed an undrafted preagent. We're kind of waiting on Mayan Williams,

2:02

I think. Is there anybody else we're still waiting on at

2:04

this point? I think Mayan might be the

2:06

only one that we haven't heard anything on. And

2:08

because of his injury situation, him

2:11

being open at the combine, but the fact

2:13

he might not be ready for training camp complicates

2:18

his situation, obviously. Okay,

2:20

so you get the text 614-350-3315. If

2:23

that happens, when that happens, that's the first place

2:25

we'll go with it. Just like the first place

2:28

we'll go with any transfer portal information, we'll be

2:30

there as well. I don't say they did officially

2:32

lose a third player to the transfer portal in

2:34

Jahad Carter. So yeah, they're up to three so

2:36

far. So it's still been pretty quiet, Jahad Carter,

2:38

a player who came here from Syracuse

2:40

last year, but injuries, maybe just where

2:43

the room was at that point, didn't necessarily tend to him

2:45

getting on the field here. And now when you've got some

2:47

guys back, it's kind of, you saw some writing

2:49

on the wall here. But one

2:51

last draft thing we want to do, we want to

2:53

look forward. We want to continue to look forward. Even

2:55

this entire weekend, as we were doing draft coverage, so

2:58

much of it was about, okay, this just happened, but guess

3:00

what's coming down the line here? Even with Marvin Harrison Jr.

3:03

getting drafted, it was like, this is a big deal. But

3:05

it also is like not even close to

3:07

being over, depending on how some of these other

3:09

things work out and everything else. We talked about

3:11

how 2025 could be a big year

3:14

in general, Andrew for Ohio State and

3:16

the draft coverage today. We want to narrow it down

3:18

here with something that we typically done every single year.

3:21

And it's almost in the vein of

3:23

Market Down Monday, but not quite that.

3:25

But just projecting first

3:27

round draft picks for Ohio

3:29

State. So let me give you some numbers, Andrew,

3:31

and then I'll just get your reaction here. For

3:33

starters, the record for most first

3:35

round draft picks in a single draft by

3:38

one school is six. Miami had that

3:40

in 2004, then Alabama tied it in 2021. Ohio

3:45

State's record is five, and

3:48

they've had that twice. Jim Tressel did it

3:50

in 2005, I believe. And

3:53

then Urban Meyer did it in 2016. Do

3:58

you think Ohio State can flop? alert with either one

4:00

of those? When you were trying to map out projecting

4:03

who you guys were getting there, was it pretty

4:05

easy for you to come around on that idea?

4:07

Or did you maybe get

4:09

to a couple and then you started to have a hard

4:11

time with it? Don't give away your number though. Yeah,

4:14

I think they can. You know, you can absolutely

4:16

get close to that number. I think it's

4:19

going to take again, not

4:21

to give away the number, you're going to need some elevation

4:24

in 2024 by some guys,

4:26

right? You're going to need something to

4:29

go in a manner that

4:31

is positive for

4:33

those player or players. There's

4:36

a group of guys that I think we all

4:38

are going to have. I mean,

4:41

for the most part, this list is going to

4:43

be fairly similar, but as you get towards the

4:45

back half, I think it's going to

4:47

depend on what you think of a player's 2024

4:50

outlook, whether or not

4:52

you think a player can maybe enter the

4:54

draft. You know, there's a few guys who

4:56

could theoretically come back for 2025. Maybe we

4:58

have another situation

5:01

for next season where, hey, look,

5:03

Ohio State does lose a lot of players,

5:05

but maybe the draft isn't as crazy as

5:07

we think it could be because

5:09

they just get what happened this off season, next

5:12

off season, right? You know, they just have a

5:14

couple of guys that can come back, come back.

5:16

So I think this all depends on kind of

5:18

your view of how you

5:21

think these guys are approaching the

5:23

NFL draft and what you think

5:25

Ohio State's 2024 outlook is

5:28

going to be with those guys on the team. So they

5:30

can definitely get there though. There is definitely

5:33

a path for this to happen. One

5:35

correction, it's 2006, not 2005. I can't read

5:37

my own handwriting sometimes. So 2006 for

5:40

Jim Tressel, 2016 for Urban

5:43

Meyer. So 10 years apart for those

5:45

guys. Some other numbers eighth in the throwout

5:47

here just because we're at Ohio State now

5:49

at 91 first round draft picks after Marvin

5:51

Harrison Jr. went forth to the Cardinals last

5:53

Thursday. Jim Tressel had 14 first

5:56

Round draft picks during his time as Ohio State's

5:58

head coach, Urban Meyer also. Fourteen as

6:00

while the head coach Ryan Day and as

6:03

high as three at Three and Twenty Twenty

6:05

and he had three again and Twenty Twenty

6:07

Three. Just. That alone. Ryan

6:09

Day Potentially if this were talking

6:12

about breaking records or at least

6:14

tying with the highs are in

6:16

the past twenty five years, Ryan

6:18

Day Potentially. In. Signet:

6:20

Not significantly less time, but a decent about

6:23

less time. Already surpassing Jim Tressel

6:25

and Rock Urban Meyer when it comes

6:27

a first round draft picks. That.

6:29

Idea of him being able to do that. And

6:31

twenty twenty Five. Gets. What reaction

6:34

out and terms of was how that

6:36

defines the Ryan Day Arable House the

6:38

football. So for in terms of Nfl

6:40

draft development. Will

6:43

things changed so much in terms

6:45

of how these rosters were built

6:47

As you were from Tressel to

6:49

Meyer, right? So Meyer. Relatively

6:52

short amount like is what seven years

6:54

rights so my or got the ball

6:56

rolling a little bit. I think some

6:58

of this pay off especially having those

7:00

three first round guys in after days

7:02

first year. Old defensive guys.

7:04

So how much do you want to give

7:06

him like credit for those guys? I mean,

7:09

Some. We'll get to things going in

7:11

and those guys in some of those guys Depakote

7:13

and Damon on it had their best seasons as

7:15

they're in their final season so it's a young

7:17

do Obviously three. nobody says season with that, but

7:20

you already knew that was kind of coming. So.

7:22

We. Don't I'm saying like those three. Technically

7:25

they go into Ryan Days counter, but

7:27

they. Really? Wanted to

7:30

Urban Meyer just as much of the the

7:32

Urban Meyer machine that was going on there.

7:34

They found those guys a develop those guys

7:36

and. I think

7:39

this season. I. Never liked

7:41

to get too wrapped up in. Whether.

7:44

You're. producing an abundance of first

7:46

round guys. I producing. Legitimate.

7:49

Nfl guys is a thing. I

7:52

think at some point if you're. One.

7:54

Of these. Programs.

7:56

that competing at the very top yes you probably

7:58

do after recruit yeah you do have to produce a decent,

8:02

regular number of first round guys. But to say

8:04

that you have to get an abundance of them

8:07

all the time is a little bit unrealistic. You

8:09

can find great players in the second and third

8:11

rounds. Sometimes it's just a matter of which teams

8:13

are drafting where in a given year that where

8:15

a guy goes, there's a lot of guys who

8:17

went in the second round this year that we

8:20

would have guessed were definitely first round guys, right?

8:22

So don't like to get

8:24

wrapped up in that too much. But having said

8:26

that, I think there is something to be said

8:28

for. We've had several

8:30

years here, especially on the defensive side of the

8:32

ball, where Ohio State just has gotten away from

8:34

its identity, has not been producing

8:37

first round guys, and

8:39

they got to get some of that back.

8:41

This needs to maybe be a year where they send a

8:44

message to the rest of college football that when you come

8:46

here and you put in your three or four years and

8:48

in the cases of the guys we're going to be talking

8:50

about, that you can come out of this as being

8:53

regarded as the best players in the country.

8:55

I think that has currency. It's

8:57

been a while at some important positions. It's been a

8:59

while on the offensive line

9:01

too until Paris Johnson did it a

9:03

couple of years ago, and maybe that'll pay off to

9:06

them in the long run. I don't know. We haven't

9:08

necessarily seen great indications

9:10

of that yet, but we'll see as these

9:13

classes come together. But I think there

9:15

is a point where having a big

9:18

draft avalanche, like we think there might

9:20

be for Ohio State a year from

9:22

now, it

9:24

isn't just chest thumping. I think it

9:26

is an important thing to get

9:29

the notoriety out there for your program.

9:31

Because when the teams that have been,

9:33

I think most routinely seen to do

9:35

this, you know, how did Georgia come

9:37

around and really build its mini dynasty? It

9:39

started before that. It started when they were

9:42

seen as a team that was at the

9:44

top of the recruiting rankings every year and

9:46

a team that was getting guys through to

9:48

the NFL in big bunches, and Ohio State

9:50

needs to stay in that conversation. I

9:53

think what next year's draft could potentially do,

9:55

depending on what the number is, Is

9:58

give Ryan Day some variety as well. Abbott.

10:00

The I've I've mentioned Randy has ten of them

10:02

to have them a cornerback And as you mention,

10:05

Of Nathan at a few me, eleven of them.

10:07

I'm wrong, eleven of my town. I didn't catch

10:09

your shop. Sorry So eleven. two quarterbacks in a

10:11

defensive lineman all from me you can say the

10:13

Urban Meyer air because they played to it every

10:15

year. They were on campus for Jeff a good

10:18

and say song for Urban Meyer and didn't Damon

10:20

Arnett was here for five years in place for

10:22

those for of I'm I'm still. Defensive.

10:24

Lineman: two quarterbacks, two quarterbacks, A

10:27

wide receiver in office of on are still my have

10:29

them apple. On get. Twelve

10:31

Fuming is what happens when you can't

10:33

We don't have it for handwriting guys

10:36

with this is this is Lies or

10:38

Duenas Urban Meyer to linebackers of a

10:40

cornerback and to defensive linemen are running

10:42

back on often sublime and safety a

10:44

center site different differentiated like guard Doc

10:46

of center and one quarterback which is

10:48

Duane Haskins with if we're going to

10:51

I think that's fair to say if

10:53

you wanna. Give. Chase and

10:55

Gf is messy. Chase Goose Chase was awesome

10:57

as as in your to more about Urban

10:59

Meyer, you can probably say that when Haskins

11:01

is more about Ryan days with and he

11:03

goes out there. Jim Tressel three defensive lineman,

11:05

two quarterbacks or wide receivers to linebackers, a

11:07

safety, a center and a running back. So

11:09

just a variety that Urban Meyer and Jim

11:11

Tressel had right now right a dozen or

11:14

so we have a it's a bunch of

11:16

off into guys and some left over guys

11:18

on decent and if you're like this is

11:20

an opportunity to that. Okay, That's.

11:23

The background information were do a little differently were

11:25

not necessarily go during the draft format that distinct

11:27

to done that a lot lately. So we're just

11:29

going to make some things up here. Nathan know

11:31

this because he was on the bodies weaken the

11:33

Texas know this as well. Six one four three

11:35

Five or three three one five are presented a

11:37

list. Of just. Guys.

11:40

Who are realistic? Nfl

11:43

draft picks in general. And

11:45

twenty twenty five and I got to nineteen

11:47

guys plus the two quarterbacks in that will

11:49

be twenty that's one guy were and account

11:51

as they both can start. Between Devin Brown

11:53

and Will Howard. Because. that's either quarterback

11:56

of one hundred percent going to be in the

11:58

nfl draft or quarterback was dropped out So

12:00

that's I listed them out but fifth

12:02

year guys are higher fourth year

12:04

guys or third year first time that draft eligible guys

12:06

So I'll read that list again just cuz Andrew wasn't

12:09

on that pot will Howard at

12:11

quarterback G Scott Seth McLaughlin Josh

12:13

fryer Ty Hamilton Cody Simon place and ransom Those

12:15

are the guys who have been in college football

12:17

for at least five years the

12:19

fourth year guys Trey beyond Henderson

12:21

a Mecca Buka Joshua Simmons Donovan

12:23

Jackson Jack Sawyer JT 20 Malau

12:25

out Hyleep Williams Jordan Hancock and

12:27

Denzel Burke and in some third

12:30

year guys some of these a

12:32

little bit more Established with some

12:34

of these other guys just flyers

12:36

Devin Brown Quinn Sean Judkins Sunny

12:38

Styles CJ Hicks and Davidson egg binosa. So

12:40

if guys want to add to that list

12:42

cool But that's the list I was working

12:44

off of when I was thinking about potential

12:46

first round graphics And I'm not saying all

12:48

21 or 20 since we're

12:51

combining both the quarterbacks gonna be that it's

12:53

just if these are your realistic Draft picks

12:55

for me. This is where I went to

12:57

to get first rounders So I'm gonna run

12:59

down and we're gonna see where we're where

13:01

we're the same at To start

13:03

off with and I think I know where we might be the

13:05

same up Let's start there and then we can start to divvy up

13:07

where maybe we have some flyers on guys here

13:10

were my no-brainers a Mecca

13:12

Buka at Y receiver a no-brainer

13:14

first round draft pick Let's start there that you guys

13:17

have him as probably the best bet

13:19

to be a first round draft pick for Ohio

13:21

State in 2020 He's

13:24

a no-brainer, but he was the first name that I wrote

13:26

down He

13:29

was the second name that I wrote down He

13:31

was he was second on my list of I

13:33

think maybe sure fire first round picks Part

13:36

of this is the dynamic has

13:39

become There's just

13:41

an abundance of first round wide receivers every year

13:43

now like don't you expect like five six receivers

13:45

to go in the first round every year and

13:49

I don't see that slowing that seems to

13:51

be a trend that is gonna keep rolling

13:53

as the NFL has become such a

13:56

pass happy league and I

13:59

think I think Ibuka last

14:02

year was a little bit out of

14:04

sight, out of mind. Both because

14:08

part of the time he wasn't on the field, a big

14:10

part of the time. So they were out of sight there.

14:12

And even when he was on the field, he was in

14:14

the shadow of Marvin Harrison Jr. So you're still

14:16

a little bit out of sight. And he seems

14:18

like a guy from what we've seen, the

14:21

way he's talked, a guy who is pretty

14:23

motivated. I think he thought he was

14:25

on a trajectory to be hearing his name this past

14:27

week. I think if you

14:29

had asked him a year ago at this time, he

14:31

would have said, yeah, I think I'm going

14:34

to be a high draft pick next year in the NFL

14:36

Draft. That's my goal, whatever. And it

14:39

didn't happen because of any number of

14:41

reasons. And that usually brings guys back

14:43

pretty motivated to go out and prove

14:46

what they feel like they've probably already proved already.

14:48

In addition to that, there's obviously a

14:51

lot at stake for this team. And

14:53

he's one of the guys who I

14:55

think feels it the most that

14:58

not only did you kind of get a

15:00

look – last year went sideways on you both personally and

15:02

for the team. It just seems like

15:04

a guy who's going to be pretty locked in for 2024

15:06

for whatever that means. Maybe

15:10

that doesn't mean anything when it comes

15:13

to the NFL Draft weekend. But just

15:15

the abundance of receivers taken, he

15:18

has already proven himself to be on that shortlist. And

15:21

I think there's a potential that we are going to see the best football and the best

15:23

football and the best I

15:48

don't see a version of which he's like

15:50

the seventh best receiver in the 2025 NFL

15:52

Draft. And if

15:55

we are kind of operating under this assumption that a

15:57

handful of receivers are going to go in the first

16:00

round every year, I just don't

16:02

see a way in which Emeka

16:04

is kind of not a first-round

16:06

pick, not a top 32 pick

16:08

just because the name's

16:10

coming out, he's right there. I think Luther

16:12

Burden's probably the number one receiver on the board and

16:14

I think you can probably make a bunch of arguments

16:16

for a bunch of other guys. But even

16:18

Santa, like the seventh best wired receiver off

16:21

the board in 2024 was

16:23

a first-round draft pick and an eight was 33 counts.

16:26

So it's possible. I mean, we just saw

16:28

a draft where the first 15 picks were

16:30

offensive guys and a lot of those guys

16:32

were wide receivers. So I think in

16:34

some of this is, this was

16:36

a weird draft, the fact that there was just not a

16:38

lot of defensive players pointing to year one, but that's kind

16:40

of to your guys' point. Deeper and

16:42

deeper, wide receiver classes year in and year

16:44

out. And actually, to be honest with you,

16:47

in some of this is understanding, I have

16:50

to work close to Ohio State

16:52

because we cover this every single day. And

16:54

so it's easier for us to be able

16:56

to evaluate those guys and then be able

16:58

to evaluate Florida wide receivers and South Carolina

17:00

wide receivers because we don't cover those guys

17:02

every single day. And some of these guys

17:04

weren't nationally prominent people like Keon Coleman was

17:06

this year, that's a playoff team. But I

17:08

do wonder if Emeka Abuka

17:10

doesn't get hurt. I think he probably gives

17:12

a first-round draft pick this year to your

17:14

guys' point. And this is, once again,

17:16

saying this as someone who's this close to

17:18

Ohio State, I just felt like the

17:21

way this has kind of mapped itself out here.

17:23

And I think I asked Nathan this after we

17:25

were done recording either Thursday or Saturday, do you

17:27

think some of these guys, kind of based on

17:29

how this has played out, maybe they should

17:31

have gone because I think they might have gone higher than some of

17:34

these people. I think Emeka Abuka would have been on this list as

17:36

well. Okay, he's the closest thing I have

17:38

to a no-brainer. You guys didn't use that

17:40

verb in school, but he's the closest thing I have to that. That

17:43

next tier for me are

17:46

the guys where it's almost the Chris

17:50

Olave story, a little bit of

17:52

I'm highly graded, maybe

17:55

depending on how some things shake out. I

17:57

made first round of it more than like.

18:00

I'm a day-two early guy and I'm

18:02

using this year to solidify myself as

18:04

a first-round traffic. That's their approach to

18:07

that. So this is everything went according

18:09

to plan and they did exactly that. They turned

18:11

themselves in the first-round traffic whether it's top

18:13

10 pick or it's number 27. They're

18:16

using this year to do that. I

18:19

have Jack Sawyer, JT

18:21

Twi-Maloao and Denzo Burke.

18:24

Any objections to those three guys? Andrew, you

18:26

go first. Well, in

18:28

that tier, I had Jack Sawyer first on my

18:30

list. I think Jack Sawyer is going to end

18:32

up a first-round pick. I

18:35

would kind of group Jack, Emeka and

18:37

JT together in kind of their own

18:39

tier if I were making my own

18:41

kind of tier break. And then

18:43

I would have a tier break for the

18:45

corners because I also

18:48

have Davis and Iqbalosan. So I think

18:50

that there's a second tier break for

18:52

me where you have Jack,

18:54

you have JT. I think that you look

18:56

at defensive ends that go in the draft.

18:58

I mean, it's pretty

19:01

significant. I mean, we talk about receivers.

19:03

I mean, that also happens for ends. I know

19:06

this year was kind of crazy. It was an

19:08

outlier statistically about defensive players, but you still had

19:10

an edge player go at 15, an

19:12

edge player go at 17, an edge player go at 19, 21, like 27. You

19:19

still have a lot of defensive ends, edge players, players

19:21

that can get after the passer. I

19:24

think that Jack and JT are going to

19:26

hit that next gear in 2024. I

19:29

think that those sack numbers are going to get up there.

19:31

And I think teams are going to look at both of

19:33

those guys as, you know

19:35

what? Wow, they are

19:37

elite level players that can be a

19:39

number one pass rusher for us. I

19:41

think they're going to maybe be viewed

19:43

a little bit differently. You know, JT

19:45

might be viewed as maybe the more

19:48

high ceiling pass rusher. Jack is the

19:50

guy who he just does everything right

19:52

type of thing. You know, he can

19:54

play the run better. I think that,

19:57

you know, they're going to have kind of maybe two different evaluations

19:59

when you get to the end. NFL Draft, but I

20:01

think those guys are in

20:04

that same tier. I mean, I

20:06

had 1, 2, 3, Jack and Mecca

20:08

JT. I'm putting

20:10

them in the same tier. I don't

20:12

think that there's much of a

20:15

difference between those guys. And then I have a

20:17

tier break. So those

20:19

top three for me were it. Okay.

20:21

So you're yes on a Mecca, Jack and

20:23

JT and you're no on Denzel then. I

20:28

think he's going to be a

20:30

first round pick, but I think it's

20:32

very much 50 50. And one of the

20:34

reasons why I believe that. So I

20:36

had Davidson above Denzel. I think Davis.

20:38

Okay. We'll get to Davis in a minute. That's okay.

20:40

That's what I was going to say. Yeah. That's why

20:42

I was holding off on the corner. Yes

20:45

or no. Do you think Denzel Burke is going to be a first

20:47

round draft in point 25? Yes.

20:50

Okay. So you are at four right now, Nathan

20:52

of those three, how many do you agree

20:55

with? No,

20:57

I had all three of those as

20:59

well. And I had them, I think

21:01

similarly clustered like you did. I think

21:04

the one that I surprised myself a little bit

21:06

when I was filling this out because, you know,

21:09

we've all been on the Jack

21:11

Sawyer surge concept and I, I

21:13

believe he has put himself in that

21:15

conversation with what he showed at the end

21:17

of last season. And if that unfolds in

21:19

the year ahead, then I

21:21

think there might be no doubt that he's a

21:23

first round talent. However, I do

21:27

think the NFL recognizes when there's

21:29

a player who is unique.

21:34

And I think that's still a good word to describe

21:36

JT to him a little while. And

21:40

while I don't know that he is

21:42

everything they want in a pass rusher,

21:44

it feels like a guy who would be everything

21:47

they want in a football player who

21:49

can get on the field and do dynamic

21:51

athletic things. So I did have him

21:53

as I was kind of just sketching and just kind of,

21:55

you know, first, first reactions to stuff.

21:58

I put his name down second on my because

22:00

I think that we

22:03

have maybe even gone a little bit

22:05

too far at times in

22:08

our criticism of why he doesn't do

22:10

insane things all the time. That

22:12

he seems to only have, you know, like one

22:16

game of a lifetime per career or

22:19

only steps up and makes the biggest

22:21

plays of the season in the biggest

22:23

games and doesn't do

22:25

it in the first quarter against Rutgers or whatever. And

22:28

maybe we have been overly

22:30

critical of a lack

22:33

of consistency of the best version

22:35

of him. And I just

22:39

have a feeling that, A, again, another

22:41

guy who's best football may be ahead

22:43

of him, but B, that

22:45

this is a different athlete

22:47

still. This is a guy who

22:50

I think the NFL looks at and sees

22:52

a guy who could have been a Division

22:54

1 basketball player, a good one, and

22:57

can probably do things athletically on a field that not

22:59

a lot of other guys can. It is

23:02

up to him, though, I think, to show that more

23:04

consistently. Maybe

23:06

I'm countering back on myself a little bit, but he does

23:08

need to be more consistent with some

23:10

of the best things that he does. And

23:14

I think as this defense keeps coming together, that's

23:16

going to be harder and harder for teams to

23:18

take him away. The more Jack

23:20

Sawyer breaks out, the more

23:22

you might see JT Tuamaloa follow on the other

23:24

side. And

23:27

Larry Johnson has kind of talked about that, the way

23:29

that they've worked off of each other. It's

23:31

also just kind of shown off off the field as well.

23:35

We might see what we've maybe always

23:37

envisioned from Jack and JT this

23:39

upcoming year, where it's that tandem that's

23:42

playing off of each other that

23:44

maximizes both of those guys. Just using

23:47

this draft as just a blueprint

23:49

for what next year might be,

23:51

though With less quarterbacks, maybe. I don't know.

23:53

Quarterbacks are always weird. And to Nathan's point,

23:56

teams are always stupid over quarterbacks. My Favorite

23:58

team just did it. On

24:00

Thursday with. Michael. Bennett to a habit. But.

24:03

I don't know if there was a quote

24:06

unquote sack guy. In this

24:08

year's. Defensive. As line

24:10

drive it's messy. We used to talk about the

24:12

first round guys. I don't think there was a

24:14

guy that you would come and go. Oh that's

24:16

a guy who might get a masseuse where you

24:18

as a rookie in. So maybe that's why some

24:21

of these guys both place. That's like not going

24:23

to be the case in next year's draft which

24:25

is very much on the table. Does that help

24:27

Jt toy below our chances of raising in the

24:29

draft between be into number twenty five are being

24:31

fifteen as a point Jax or in the top

24:33

five ranger to keep him in the fifteen rage.

24:35

Because it is. I think both of those guys

24:38

just like with a mecca booger. Some of

24:40

this is going to be dependent on. What's.

24:42

The draft is around them because so

24:44

forth all I've named our draft valuable

24:46

pieces like the most valuable pieces and

24:49

for both. On the the

24:51

wide receiver to defensive linemen and at a quarterback. So

24:53

for so let's stick with that goes out the fourth

24:55

year guys as it before we get to the third

24:57

you get. I want them to try to group things

24:59

here. So. That leaves

25:01

Joshua Simmons who has multiple years of

25:03

eligibility if he wants to use it.

25:05

But the statically as is what he

25:07

calls for both. Donovan. Jackson.

25:11

Josh. Know sees me. Tie.

25:14

League Williams in Jordan Hancock. So

25:17

to of those guys play

25:19

positions. That at least.

25:21

or. First. Round

25:24

valuable positions with Josh with them as being

25:26

a left tackle and defensive tackle fertile he

25:28

will be more and more valued by the

25:30

year as God as Football continues on. Joint

25:33

Hegarty the Cornerback but he's also on the

25:35

interior. Any consideration to those

25:37

guys and what I call for this

25:39

group, is it even realistic? Based

25:41

off what we've seen so far from them

25:43

as as individual players in with their ceilings

25:45

might be but then also the positions they

25:48

play in the position or values that may

25:50

or may not be there. To.

25:52

Tell he is the only other guy that I put. On

25:55

my list. He's my the fifth

25:57

and final one and I hesitate.

26:00

It even at that. But. I will

26:02

back and looked because I think that your we

26:04

can take something from me. Part. Of

26:06

this is just. Guy. These are going

26:08

to draft the best players in the country every year

26:10

who were that happens to be. but I think you

26:12

can sometimes see trends. You can take things for instance.

26:15

I mean though, that would be some trends talk about

26:17

when we talk about the running backs and whether they

26:19

have a chance to be first rounders or or or

26:21

things like that. But. As it

26:23

comes to defensive tackle, my first inclination

26:25

was. Means. A little small is

26:27

six to two ninety. And.

26:29

That didn't naturally stop my call from

26:32

getting drafted obviously, but he was a

26:34

second round like mid mid second round

26:36

pick fifty four overall, so getting towards

26:38

the back into the second round so

26:40

contain the. Burst Through

26:42

that aired the last five. Defensive

26:46

tackles drafted. Byron.

26:48

Murphy was only one who in the first

26:51

round this past year he six one to

26:53

Ninety Seven so ballpark like same same size

26:55

the June Carter last year, six three, three

26:57

fourteen but collider can't see to also in

26:59

the first or last year, six one to

27:01

Eighty One even smaller than try to claims.

27:03

And then those two guys last you guys

27:05

that have wear them as he smith brain

27:07

Bresee. They're both mean. Privacy. Six

27:09

five. My Smith. Six Three Three

27:12

Thirty seven. So figured dude like

27:14

bigger defensive tackles. More.

27:16

Prototypical size for in a valley desk. but

27:19

what I took from that is that it's

27:21

certainly the size isn't what's going to nestle

27:23

hold him back, and I just feel like

27:26

he was a really underrated guy on this

27:28

defense. Nationally, in terms of people who were

27:30

just looking at counting stats and and things

27:32

like that, I thought he should have had

27:35

more. Like at least lower

27:37

ballot all American. Recognition

27:40

that he got this year at it

27:42

as I do so crucially crucially important

27:44

to our defense and. While.

27:46

Dumb sports writers like us miss things

27:48

like that at Nfl evaluators. I don't

27:51

think we'll miss. How. bible

27:53

and tallied take williams's and he still got another

27:55

year to get better because last year was sort

27:57

of a breakthrough year for him it's not like

27:59

this been a thing where

28:01

we've seen him coming. Like last year was kind of

28:04

a revelation. That's also a thing that maybe caught people

28:06

off guard that he wasn't on some short list before

28:08

the season started for more recognition. That won't be the

28:10

case this coming year. And, but

28:12

again, beyond that, I think NFL

28:14

teams are gonna look and see

28:17

how consistently he performed. And

28:19

like being on the field

28:21

late in the Notre Dame game and like

28:24

making plays downfield, like that stuff

28:26

doesn't show up on the film of every defensive tackle

28:28

in the country. Even the highly

28:30

ranked ones. I think Tyleak Williams is doing

28:32

the things that NFL teams are gonna pay

28:34

attention to. I know NFL teams were calling

28:36

Ohio State, calling his high school coach last

28:39

year, checking in on him last

28:41

season. Like as he was breaking out,

28:43

like the word was already getting around. I

28:45

think he's going to be, if

28:49

he was like the first defensive tackle taken next year,

28:51

it would not surprise me. Hit

28:53

five pass breakups. It

28:56

was time for third on the team. Like that's not to your

28:58

point, that's not normal for defensive tackles that his

29:00

side should be doing that. And he thinks, I mean,

29:02

you tell Ask him, he thinks you have more like

29:04

nine of them. They didn't count some of them. Andrew,

29:06

from that list, that second list

29:08

of, is this even realistic for these

29:10

guys? Joshua Simmons, Donovan Jackson, Tyleak Williams,

29:13

Jordan Hancock, any consideration of those guys?

29:15

Hancock certainly no. Simmons,

29:18

I get the idea of it. You know,

29:20

teams really need tackles, but

29:23

I still lean no. There's

29:25

two really good tackles coming out next year. Will

29:28

Campbell at LSU and Kelvin Banks out of Texas. I think

29:30

you have to compare these guys to other players in the

29:32

country, if we're going to be putting them in this list.

29:34

So Josh Simmons no. Tyleak

29:40

was the interesting one for me. I

29:42

did not have him on the

29:44

list. And there are a couple of reasons

29:46

why. Number one, I think that there's a

29:48

very real case that he's not the best

29:50

interior defensive lineman in the country. As

29:53

I was kind of mapping this out, I

29:55

kind of chuckled to myself because I was like,

29:57

we're talking about Ohio State for them having like.

30:00

one of the better drafts and you know, the modern

30:02

draft era, like, is that possible basically? And I was

30:04

like thinking about it. And I was like, Michigan

30:06

might have two players off the board before Ohio State

30:09

has any, they have Will Johnson,

30:11

the corner next year, and they have Mason

30:13

Graham, the interior defensive lineman. And that's

30:15

where I got caught up with tight league because

30:17

I was like, you know, there was one interior

30:19

player in on the defensive line

30:22

for as much as they value defensive tackle in

30:24

the NFL, there was one that got drafted

30:26

in the first round. And it was to

30:29

Andre Sweatt, go

30:32

into or no, it was I

30:35

forget his name, but there was a first round. Who

30:37

I said, yeah, fire Murphy. So

30:40

go to the second round of the NFL draft.

30:43

35th, Rook, Aurora, I

30:45

don't know how to pronounce his last name,

30:47

the Falcons picked him. Aurora.

30:50

Yes, him. Clemson guy. 36,

30:53

uh, just on Newton, uh,

30:55

defensive tackle at Illinois, 38, Devondre Sweatt,

30:57

defensive tackle on Texas, 39, Braden

31:00

Fisk, defensive tackle out of a

31:02

Florida state. Like there was a

31:04

run in that early second round.

31:06

And I think teams still prioritize

31:08

defensive ends over defensive tackles. And

31:11

for as you can say, the defensive tackles are on the rise.

31:13

And I think they are, but that's

31:16

not the way I don't think that

31:18

they're getting boosted maybe in their evaluations.

31:21

I think it's very much, we

31:23

can spend priority picks on them, but we

31:26

still need to spend priority picks on them

31:28

in the second round. It's not,

31:30

you know, I, well, let's just pick the 350 pound

31:32

guy and the 330 pound guy. And their job

31:36

is to stop the run anymore. Like this

31:38

is a thing where teams will draft defensive

31:41

tackles higher. I just don't know if that's

31:43

going to be the first round, especially if

31:45

Tyler Williams doesn't prove himself

31:47

as the best interior player in the country. There's

31:49

just a lot of, a

31:51

lot of talent. You

31:53

know, a lot of guys that could go on the

31:56

edge and that gave me some

31:58

pause. You

32:00

you listing off like five guys getting

32:02

taken in the top 40 doesn't dissuade

32:04

my argument

32:07

that he could be taken at least late in the

32:09

first round like I know that's that there's

32:11

a very little difference between the guy taking 28th and the

32:13

guy taking 38th I

32:15

hear you there when we get

32:17

to another position I will

32:19

I think state why I think that because I

32:21

did have tie-leak on my list and then

32:23

I went you know I just don't know how this math is

32:25

gonna work and then was the last one triggering on

32:27

was already said I haven't said Trevor. Oh,

32:30

yeah, I'm an official group. I Think

32:34

I'm glad you brought up the Michigan guy because I

32:36

think next year's draft for defensive tackles might look similar

32:38

to 2023 When there were four you

32:41

had Jalen Carter go early and then you had Tysha

32:44

can see from Pittsburgh go to Tampa Bay

32:46

late and then Mazi Smith another Michigan guy

32:48

go to Dallas and then another clims a

32:50

guy Brian Brzee go to New Orleans Saints

32:52

at 29 you had four taken in the

32:55

top 29 I think we might see a

32:57

similar situation because defensive tackle might be pretty

32:59

deep next year and that along with

33:01

what Nathan is talking about where it's just Tylie

33:04

Williams might just test out the wazoo

33:06

along with having two back-to-back seasons that

33:08

look like what 2023 was You

33:11

mix those two things together. I think that's what a

33:13

first round pick looks like at defensive tackle is when

33:15

you are Super explosive at

33:18

that size in a way that you

33:20

can destroy pockets Yes defensive

33:22

end will always be the more valuable things and it's

33:24

on the edge But when you have a defensive tackle

33:26

who can destroy a pocket like that Regardless

33:29

of whether or not he gets a sack he might even

33:31

just get the pass break up That's something that I think

33:33

some teams late might even consider. So that's the

33:35

first half of this I had safe bet This is

33:37

why I'm here and then I had is this even

33:39

realistic? I've got some other categories like I just mentioned

33:42

before that you were where the tray beyond Henderson is

33:44

I have him in a special Category plus we get

33:46

into some of the younger guys who are going to

33:48

be draft eligible for the first time and then some

33:50

Of the older guys as well. We come back from

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projecting Ohio State's potential first round draft picks

34:56

in the 2025 NFL Drafts. In

35:00

the past 25 years, the most the Buckeyes I've ever had in

35:02

a year was 5. Urban Meyer did it

35:04

in 2016 and Jim Tressel did it in 2006. Ryan

35:10

Day has never had more than 3 in a current

35:12

year. They have 91

35:15

total in program history. So far,

35:18

Nathan and I have agreed on a MECHA,

35:20

BUKA, Jack Sawyer, J.T. William, Aloha, Denzel Burke,

35:22

and Tyleak Williams. So we're already at 5.

35:25

Which means now this gets interesting to see how

35:27

much further we take this while Andrew agrees with

35:30

4 of those 5. He agrees with everybody but

35:32

Tyleak Williams so far. But maybe he, as he

35:34

hinted at earlier, maybe he might be at 5

35:36

as well. I want to do

35:38

running back here. And

35:40

we don't have to have some long conversation about

35:43

it because we all know the deal.

35:45

Running back has become very devalued in the

35:47

NFL both on draft day but then also

35:49

when these guys are trying to get second

35:51

contract. While in college football they're

35:54

still pretty valued. If you have a really good running

35:56

back that's a good thing for college football. Ohio

35:59

State has 2 running back. back to could be in

36:01

the NFL Draft next year with Trevion Henderson and

36:03

I'm introducing our first three and done guy and

36:05

Quinn Sean Judkins where if you're looking around at

36:08

some way too early just

36:11

do some Google searches. Quinn Sean

36:13

Judkins Nathan is up on

36:16

some lists right now a year from

36:18

now and a position still like I

36:20

mentioned doesn't have the same

36:22

value. If this were let me

36:24

start with this if

36:26

this were 2006 Jim

36:29

Tressel era would you have

36:31

either either Quinn Sean Judkins or Trevion

36:33

Henderson as no-brainer first round draft picks?

36:36

I don't know about no-brainer I would

36:38

probably be considering them more than I would consider

36:40

either of these guys right now. I

36:43

would caution anyone against putting too much stock

36:45

in need I remind anyone

36:47

of the seven banks first

36:49

round debacle from a few years ago like

36:51

don't put too much stock I mean people

36:53

are kind of throwing darts right now and

36:56

basing it off of things

37:00

like you know recruiting

37:05

rankings whether that were how regards how the

37:07

guy is producing that sort of thing so

37:13

I just don't know like I didn't include either

37:15

of these guys there is one mock draft out

37:17

there I know that did have Quinn Sean Judkins

37:19

at 32 and I do

37:22

think that's how one of them maybe

37:24

could be drafted is you

37:26

get a team because like I was looking back at

37:28

some of the ones who've been drafted in recent years

37:30

the example that jumps out to me maybe

37:32

the most is Clyde Edwards

37:34

Alaire in the year that JK Dobbins was

37:36

taken in the second round he got taken with

37:38

the last pick of the first round by

37:40

the Chiefs so you have

37:43

a team that's already championship caliber that

37:46

has a need at

37:48

a specific position and grabs

37:51

who they think is maybe the best guy available rather

37:53

than like wait around the CB is gonna fall you

37:55

know they're still getting some value there because they're

37:58

drafting so late in the first round I could see something like

38:00

that happening. I just don't know which of these

38:02

two guys I think is the more likely to

38:04

be that because Judkins has

38:06

been a workhorse at Ole

38:08

Miss and

38:10

is a really powerful runner. I think

38:13

Henderson might still be the one that's a

38:15

little bit more electric but injury

38:18

concerns didn't really turn it on

38:20

in a special way maybe until the second

38:22

half of last year partially because of being

38:24

out with injury. So I don't

38:26

know if either of these guys when

38:29

you look back at the guys who have

38:31

been taken in the first round in the

38:33

last five drafts, there's five. Bijon

38:35

Robinson, Jameer Gibbs, Najeh Harris,

38:37

Travis Etienne, Clyde Edwards-Aler and

38:41

I don't know how many of those guys right

38:43

now look like they were a great use of

38:45

a first-round pick. So it's a position that the

38:47

NFL has gotten away from putting great

38:52

draft capital into and

38:54

I don't know that either of these guys, they're

38:57

both pros, they're both NFL players. I just don't know if

38:59

either of these guys break that mold and get into the

39:01

first round. I

39:03

think Trevion's skill set maybe fits

39:05

more of what you're describing Nathan,

39:08

that championship level team who just like needs

39:10

peace and so they can afford to use

39:12

the 28th, 29th pick on a running back

39:15

in that situation. Neither of these guys are

39:17

Bijon where I mean the Falcons just misused

39:19

Bijon all last year but it's like I'm

39:21

gonna build my offense around you and then

39:23

Najeh and Travis Etienne, I think both of

39:25

those guys I think to your point where

39:29

this reaches especially for the Jaguars

39:31

where you just took your you started quarterbacking you just

39:33

took his running back with them as long as along

39:35

the way. I think outside of that the other ones

39:37

would be reaches but I'm

39:40

assuming Andrew you also did not pick either one of

39:42

these running backs in the first round so

39:44

let's have a different conversation about these two because I think Nathan

39:47

brings up a good point. You are

39:49

trying to compare one

39:51

guy who might be super electric and maybe fits a

39:53

little bit more of what the NFL is today is

39:56

can you be electric, can you be electric in the

39:58

past game, can you be a home run? hitter

40:00

not necessarily be a workhorse in every

40:02

single down, Trevion Henderson, but also has

40:04

a bit of an injury history or

40:07

the guy who has spent two

40:09

years at Ole Miss being their

40:11

guy. 250 plus carries a

40:14

game and been effective as could possibly be

40:16

but also more than likely he's

40:18

going to get out of college football having had

40:20

700 plus carries in his career. So there's a

40:22

lot of tread on that tires and that's what

40:25

you're trying to pros and cons of both of

40:27

these guys where you're out

40:30

who do you think goes higher? Yeah

40:32

so that's an interesting point that you brought

40:35

up and it's an interesting

40:37

point that I have been kicking around and

40:40

I'm starting to come around to the idea

40:42

that Quinshaun Judkins goes higher than Trevion Henderson

40:45

for this reason. Trevion Henderson you said

40:47

it in I

40:50

think half correct. You said the

40:52

NFL is moving towards this right you want to get

40:54

him in open spaces you want to do all these

40:56

things you want to get him kind of out and

40:58

about and you can use his speed but

41:00

then you said something that

41:03

made you start to ponder and you went

41:06

you don't use him on

41:08

every down and the

41:10

average NFL running back like

41:13

their career is like 2.7 years

41:16

or something like that so if

41:19

you are using this first round pick on a running back

41:21

or you know like like we're talking about with Nathan where

41:23

it's like hey if you want to jump into the first

41:25

round and take that running back at 32 get

41:27

the fifth year of the contract and then

41:29

just ride it out and then wherever you're

41:32

at in five years who cares because the

41:34

running back career is probably over or near

41:36

over at that point like that

41:39

I think is where I'm at where it's like

41:41

okay well if we're gonna invest draft capital in

41:43

somebody you know because we're sitting there let's say

41:45

a team is sitting there at 39 let's

41:48

say it's not a first round pick and you're

41:50

having to choose between a defensive tackle

41:53

a corner and

41:55

trivia on Henderson there's

41:57

gonna be a lot of arguments to pass on trivia

41:59

on Henderson because what if he can't

42:01

play every down, right? What if you

42:04

don't want him to run between the

42:06

tackles? What if you don't want him

42:08

on fourth and one to

42:11

try and get that yard? That

42:13

is where I think Trevion Henderson

42:15

might not be the

42:17

high level kind of pick that I think a

42:19

lot of people maybe think he is. Like it's

42:21

easy to forget. I mean, cause Steven mentioned it,

42:23

like we cover Ohio State, we don't cover Ole

42:25

Miss. We don't cover, you know, a lot of

42:27

these other programs. Quinn Sean Judkins had a thousand

42:29

yard seasons back to back years in his first

42:32

two years of college football in the SEC. Like

42:34

Quinn Sean Judkins is a really, really good

42:36

running back. And I think that

42:39

that power is really, really important

42:41

when you talk about what NFL

42:43

teams want. And we'll see

42:45

who they are as pass blockers, but that's a part

42:47

of this too, you know? You can't just send your

42:49

running back out in a flare out every time you

42:51

have to have that guy pass protect. And

42:54

if Quinn Sean Judkins can do that well in 2024 and

42:57

kind of prove that he is that all,

42:59

you know, every down, all situations type of

43:01

back, I think Judkins can go

43:03

higher than Trevion Henderson. I don't think that that's crazy.

43:05

I think if you would have asked me a couple

43:08

of months ago, maybe I would have been like, ah,

43:10

no, Trevion Henderson, you know, elite level speed, you know,

43:12

he's got the attributes he can't teach, but Quinn

43:15

Sean is maybe I think more of what the

43:17

NFL is looking for. So I think Ohio State

43:19

has two running backs on their hands that are

43:21

going to get drafted, but they're on

43:23

day two. I just, the first

43:25

round of it all, I

43:27

didn't think so. I think that these are like second round

43:29

guys. And I think Quinn Sean at this point, I would

43:31

kind of lean him going over Trevion. So let's get into

43:34

some of the other third year guys. And I'm leaving the

43:36

Denver Brown out of this one because I've also got a

43:38

special category for him. And I will wrap up with the

43:40

quarterback conversation. So that leaves a third

43:42

year guys. And I call this three and D, three

43:45

and done. Sonny Stiles,

43:47

CJ Hicks, and Davidson Igbunoson

43:50

As the three and done players. And Andrew, I'm going to

43:52

let you go first here because you've already hinted at, you

43:55

had Davidson Igbunoson on your list. I Actually would have been

43:57

a little disappointed in you if you didn't the way you've

43:59

been talking about him. The bass mother laugh

44:01

here. So just this is it.

44:03

Man, this is your spiel. Give

44:05

your way too early. Spiel.

44:08

For why you think they of

44:10

Iguanodon? To. Give Ohio State

44:12

potentially. The. Way you have

44:14

mapped out to first round cornerbacks for the

44:16

second time in the Ryan Day error and

44:18

the third time in the past ten years.

44:22

Yes, With Davison

44:24

for me it is

44:26

a. It. Is pretty much

44:29

exactly my current sound argument and my

44:31

twitter my Quinton kind of point. I

44:34

just think it's refrain the corner. Seems.

44:37

What corners that can do

44:39

everything? And. If. Quinton

44:42

judge things. Can. Defend the

44:44

run, If. Quinton said things

44:46

can get physical up with a lot

44:48

of scrimmage and not you know you're

44:50

not having to hide am I remember

44:52

there was a player a couple years

44:54

ago. Greedy Williams in the Nfl draft

44:57

who came at I'll Issue In the

44:59

Browns drafted him and he didn't know

45:01

how to tackle. And. That.

45:03

Was a common kind of joke, but he really didn't

45:06

I know we had some concussions in his career, and

45:08

that was partly because he didn't want to tackle. Which.

45:10

Is what Daves and Grossing can do. Those things. And

45:13

you know teams have bill or

45:15

fences around running the ball outside

45:17

to run it. Where. They're

45:19

small and if Daves enigma, nose and

45:21

is your guy out there, I think

45:23

that that's a really really big box

45:25

to check. Because. David Cynic the nose,

45:27

and you have to worry about him in that regard. And

45:31

then he get a the passing game

45:33

and i just think length is and

45:35

under appreciated asset and corner of. i

45:38

think com you know by fans i

45:40

mean i think the league typically love

45:42

these big corners of you know there

45:44

were a couple stats gone through the

45:46

weekend where it's you know arm length

45:48

is really really important for nfl teams

45:51

and it's really conducive like is actually

45:53

a nice correlation between arm length and

45:55

pro bowls at corner over any other

45:57

position you know the higher the the

45:59

guys have the longest arms at corner

46:01

typically end up having pro bowl careers and

46:03

more often than not or

46:06

more often than players who have shorter arms.

46:08

So I just think he's got

46:10

all the physical attributes. I think he's maybe

46:12

underrated as a corner because I think we

46:14

talked so much about Denzel Berg. I

46:17

mean, Davis and Iqbaloson is like if

46:20

you were to build a corner in a lab,

46:22

I think he's generally

46:24

what you're talking about, right? Not saying I

46:26

mean, obviously, he's not going to have four

46:28

to five speed and also be six three

46:30

with the longest arms you've ever seen. But

46:34

he's it, right? Like he is the

46:36

prototype of what NFL teams look for.

46:38

And I think that's why he's going to be a first round

46:40

pick next year. That's why I think he's going to be Ohio State's

46:42

first corner off the board next year. It

46:46

is going to be unique to see how these guys

46:48

match up. Because I did

46:50

mention Will Johnson, the corner out

46:52

of Michigan. If you need a number one

46:54

corner in 2025, congratulations.

46:57

You know, happy birthday to you, because you

46:59

got Will Johnson, Travis Hunter,

47:01

kid out of Colorado. You know, he's a

47:03

really high level corner. Ben Morrison, no, out

47:05

of another name, really high level corner. And

47:07

you got Davidson and Denzel. And I think

47:09

there's going to be a run on corner

47:11

next year. I think Davidson and Denzel are

47:13

right in that mix. And I think what

47:15

gives Davis in the edge as

47:17

you're comparing him to other high level corners in

47:19

the league is he just

47:22

got length and size that these guys don't have.

47:24

He just got length and size that like Ben

47:26

Morrison doesn't have. And I think that that can

47:28

kind of put him high up on on NFL

47:30

team strap boards. So Davidson for me,

47:32

I'm going to keep singing that

47:34

man's praises until he shows me that I shouldn't be.

47:37

So I think he's going to be a higher level corner. The

47:40

other two guys real quick, Sonny, I

47:43

just have a hard time seeing it. I

47:46

just have a hard time like seeing I mean, maybe he'll go

47:48

to the NFL. I just the

47:51

the role of which he would have to play, I

47:54

think it would scare me if I was an NFL

47:56

team looking at him going, man, he hasn't

47:58

played a lot of football in terms of. of the

48:00

position that maybe we want him to play. So

48:03

that would scare me. And then with CJ Hicks,

48:05

I mean, that's a possibility as well. But it's

48:07

the same thing. It's like, are we comfortable with

48:09

taking a guy who, it took him

48:11

like two years to get it. He plays one great

48:13

year. And then we're going to take him with the

48:15

29th overall pick. Is that possible? I don't know. So

48:18

with Sonny and CJ, I didn't really consider

48:20

them at all. But obviously with

48:22

Davis, and I think that that's a really high level player. So

48:26

to the cornerback point, in 2016, Ohio State had

48:29

Eli Apple come off the board early at number

48:31

10 to the Giants. And then

48:33

they came back later. No,

48:36

excuse me. That's the wrong year. Excuse me. Marshawn

48:39

Lattimore, number 11 to the Saints. And then

48:41

Gary on Connelly went 24th to

48:44

the Raiders that year. And obviously, in 2020,

48:46

Jeff Okuda goes early to the Lions at

48:48

3. And then Damon

48:51

Arnett goes a little bit later at 19 to the

48:53

Raiders. So maybe we see a similar situation like that

48:55

where maybe Davis, Dave Mendoza, or Denzel were

48:57

one of those guys goes early, one of those guys goes late

48:59

if this comes to pass from what Andrew was talking about. So

49:01

that puts Andrew at 5. Nathan,

49:04

do you go to 6 with any of these

49:06

three guys between Sonny, CJ,

49:08

and Davidson? No, like I

49:10

said, Talik was the last guy that I had. Now,

49:12

Igmanosa and I could see it for all the reasons

49:14

that Andrew was enumerating

49:17

there. I don't know

49:19

that we've seen the special

49:21

coverage thing from him yet. And

49:26

at the same time, corner is

49:28

just such a coveted

49:31

position. And definitely,

49:35

a lot of these guys that we are

49:37

enamored with at Ohio State right now were

49:40

playing last season their second year in Jim Nolza

49:42

system. And Igmanosa was only doing it for the

49:44

first time. And we saw some real steps forward

49:46

from a lot of guys in that second season.

49:49

So I'm definitely on notice for

49:51

the fact that last year was

49:54

him setting a really strong foundation. And

49:56

Then this year, we see that that's something special

49:58

from him. I think Davis and Igmanosa. I'm

50:00

not. I put a little round of

50:02

together that for the site monday morning

50:04

of what the. Early.

50:07

The. Way too early drafts were saying and

50:09

I don't remember his name was on any

50:11

of them and I thought that that even

50:14

if I don't agree with maybe putting in

50:16

there for sure right now. I thought I

50:18

was odd that his name was coming up

50:20

at all because I think user Freetown a

50:23

guide same time again as you're casting around

50:25

for who you're going to put. I think

50:27

he ranked in the one twenties in. Overall.

50:30

Pff grade last year. So again, if

50:32

you're just a guy who's out there

50:34

looking like across the country at. That.

50:36

That the highest ranked guys at certain things

50:38

who were coming back this year is his

50:41

name slips through the cracks but I think

50:43

he has have a good chance to to

50:45

really put his name out there this year

50:47

or others to linebackers. Styles

50:49

is the one that I would think is maybe

50:51

closer to be able to make a jumping go

50:53

all the way to the first round but only

50:56

because of that saving I was saying and i

50:58

jt tomorrow I'll before the he may just be.

51:00

A unique talent in the Nfl. Teams

51:02

would look at him and say. Well.

51:06

Okay, The. He's not a.

51:08

Finished product as a linebacker.

51:11

But. The upside here is so high.

51:14

From. What he has shown he can do. That.

51:16

Were willing to take him and make him that

51:18

and we think he can be. They're pretty quickly.

51:20

I think it's more likely that he still and

51:23

I have state and Twenty Twenty Five does because.

51:26

The. Only have one year at linebacker and we

51:28

don't even know if it's going to be a

51:30

year of. Like full

51:32

starter reps yet because a lot We

51:34

may have a different conversation about this

51:37

in October. After. We see how the

51:39

seasons and how he's used in him, what his

51:41

role is of. I have the right now. I

51:43

think he's more on my radar as like maybe

51:45

he blows up in twenty twenty five and is

51:47

a. Highly highly thought of prospect

51:50

for that draft for twenty twenty six

51:52

draft. I. Think son is

51:54

a safer bet. Could easily played football. So now as

51:56

I can see your point they've been how quickly does

51:58

he. Pick. up on this into

52:00

I think yeah we could be having

52:02

a very different conversation in October. Oh

52:04

no he's awesome he's gone bye-bye. While

52:06

with Sonny Styles it's like no excuse

52:08

me not Sonny but CJ Hicks it's

52:10

just more he's got this thing and

52:13

if it's so explosive that a team

52:15

just jumps on it next spring and

52:17

that's just that's too much to fathom

52:20

in April when you haven't even seen it and neither

52:22

one of these guys has officially won the job yet.

52:24

I just think of the other third year guys are

52:26

probably just in the best position to at least try

52:28

to go after that. I just want to include this

52:30

from the Sixers because I thought it was funny from

52:32

a pod we did last week. From

52:34

the 614, listening to

52:36

you guys drop Sonny Styles like an

52:38

elevator that was broken was amazing. Last

52:41

year at this time you would have had him

52:43

as the number one pick on the planet and

52:45

the member of the Avengers. It's funny how performance

52:48

changes perspective and then he brings up some other

52:50

stuff we were talking about. That just reminds me

52:52

of the pod we were having last week where

52:54

sometimes not playing football or having some of these

52:57

conversations is the best thing you could have going

52:59

for you. All you are is an

53:01

idea at this point in the moment you step

53:03

on the football field you're no longer an idea.

53:05

Okay so we're all at five. Nathan I said

53:07

you're done. You said you're done. Andrew

53:10

I think you said you might be done as well.

53:12

I am also done. I do want to have a

53:14

quarterback conversation because it's necessary to have one. So we're

53:16

gonna wrap up with that when we come back here

53:18

on Buckeye Talk. So there's two

53:21

quarterback conversations I want to have about

53:23

Will Howard and Devon Brown. There are

53:25

two very different conversations and

53:28

so I want to start with Devon Brown

53:30

just because he's been at Ohio State a

53:32

little bit longer and his conversation is

53:34

one that is also just a buzzing conversation

53:37

in the NFL about whether it's the right

53:39

thing to do or not even though everything

53:41

on the planet says you should not do

53:43

this and that's taking the quarterback in the

53:45

first round who has only started one year

53:47

of college football. Some guys who have

53:49

done it in recent history here, Kyler Murray did it

53:51

at Oklahoma taking over for Baker Mayfield he ends up

53:53

being the number one pick in the 2019 NFL Draft.

53:55

Dwayne Haskins

53:58

does at Ohio State he ends up being a top 15th

54:00

pick in the NFL draft, that same draft. Mark

54:02

Sanchez did it at USC. He ends up being

54:04

a top five pick in the 2009 NFL draft.

54:07

Mitch Trubisky, sorry, Nathan, ends up being

54:10

the number two pick in his NFL

54:12

draft after starting one year at North

54:14

Carolina in 2017. Cam

54:17

Newton, as like a transfer older guy,

54:19

gets to Auburn, takes over, wins the

54:21

national championship Heisman. He's the number one

54:23

pick to Panthers that year. And probably

54:25

the best case of,

54:27

I only started one year of college football and it worked,

54:29

because that dude turned into an MVP. That was back in

54:31

2019. Since then, we've

54:33

had a couple of other guys do it. Anthony

54:37

Richardson did it at Florida, he ended up being

54:39

a top four draft pick in 20, 2023. And

54:43

then obviously Matt Jones does it at Alabama

54:45

in 2021. He ends up being a

54:48

first round draft pick after just one year as a starter.

54:50

So there's been some guys added to the list, but it

54:52

still isn't a crazy number. And at

54:54

least I was here, Nathan, with Kyle

54:56

McCord a year ago of, I

54:59

mean, his situation is very similar to

55:01

what Dwayne Haskins is, was in 2018.

55:04

He's a five star quarterback, coming into an offense

55:06

that has experience and talent all around him. All

55:08

he's gonna do is be a point guard and

55:10

this offense is just gonna put the numbers up

55:13

for you. And maybe he can be a one

55:15

year starter, first round draft pick and a football

55:17

quarterback. And obviously that didn't play out that way,

55:19

but Marvin Harrison's still pretty good. Emeka Abuka's still

55:21

pretty good. Trey Van Henderson, when he's healthy, still

55:24

pretty good. All those things were true. He just

55:26

wasn't a first round draft pick. We're

55:28

here again, if Devin Brown wins

55:31

the job, Nathan, where Emeka Abuka's

55:33

pretty good. Trey Van Henderson and Quinn Sean

55:35

Haskins are pretty good. Jeremiah Smith looks pretty

55:38

good. Cardinal Tate and Brandon is pretty good.

55:40

We're still questioning about Tye didn't offer divine.

55:42

But the weapons around it seems

55:44

like it can prop a guy up. It

55:47

was only a one year starter and put up some type

55:49

of numbers, were at least a

55:51

conversation. So

55:54

like with Devin Brown, in

55:57

these two extremes that were column accord, it was just

55:59

a no. to the point that he's not

56:01

even here anymore. He's at Syracuse and Dwayne

56:03

Haskins being a first round draft at Heisman

56:06

Trophy Finals, if that's the scale, where

56:08

do you fall on that scale of

56:11

if Devin Brown wins this job, what's

56:13

more likely? Well,

56:16

when you look at the players who have come

56:18

out early, A, that

56:21

gives you a pretty good indication of why teams

56:23

don't draft them and why I think players have

56:25

been less likely to come out under these circumstances,

56:28

that it doesn't work, like it

56:30

doesn't. There's much, much

56:32

more evidence against it working than for

56:35

it working. And maybe some of these

56:37

guys wouldn't have panned out anyway, but

56:39

no one looks back and says, Dwayne

56:41

Haskins couldn't have used another year in college. No

56:43

one looks back and says, Mitch Dribisky couldn't have

56:46

used another year in college. Now the Bears very

56:48

stupidly decided to trade up to draft

56:50

this guy, which compounded their

56:52

problem and is why they're still drafting at

56:54

the top of the NFL draft several years

56:56

later, not that I'm part of

56:58

my soul, isn't bitter about it or anything.

57:00

But like looking at this list, like you've

57:03

got guys, Richardson, maybe he panned out, but

57:05

he was hurt last year. So you got

57:07

Cam Newton, you've got like one and a

57:09

half guys on this list that have worked

57:11

out. And Kyler Murray had to win a

57:13

Heisman trophy to be drafted where he was.

57:15

And Kyler Murray was also considered maybe in

57:17

that special athlete class too. A guy who

57:19

was an MLB prospect and would have been

57:21

a high draft pick there too. And

57:24

that's still like, it's working, but he's

57:27

not like, you know, leading

57:29

this team to Super Bowls quite yet. So I

57:32

don't think there's any chance that Devin Brown has a first round

57:34

draft pick in the NFL next year. I think he, the other

57:36

thing to remember is he's also was

57:38

just a redshirt freshman this past year. He has

57:41

three years of eligibility left. So even after this

57:43

year, he left two more years to work with,

57:45

two more years to grow and get better and

57:47

improve. And I just

57:50

think even if he wins this job this year, to

57:54

have such a season that

57:56

he becomes a first round draft pick. I

57:58

think we would already have... If

58:01

that were true, I think there would be less

58:04

question whether he

58:06

was the best quarterback on this team right now. If

58:09

there's still this much debate between him and

58:11

someone of Will Howard's caliber as to whether

58:13

or not you're going to be

58:15

the starting quarterback, then you're

58:17

probably not first-round draft

58:19

pick material right now. That's

58:24

probably the right perspective to put

58:27

that in, which I think

58:29

brings up another conversation that we're not going to

58:31

do on this spot because it's probably another 45-minute

58:33

conversation about just because of the way they've recruited

58:35

that room and the way things worked out with

58:37

Kyle McCord. To

58:40

your point, Nathan, he's got three years of eligibility left,

58:42

but if he's not what

58:44

we have come to expect from Ohio State quarterback,

58:46

especially with what's coming in behind him, that doesn't

58:49

necessarily mean that just because you were the starter

58:51

in 2024 means that

58:53

just because you come back next year, you're going to be the starter again in

58:55

2025. That's a different conversation for

58:57

another pilot. I don't want to say

58:59

real quick, looking at those two

59:01

early predictions, I don't think

59:03

Kyle McCord's name came up at all in the first round, which I'm

59:06

fine with. Drew Aller's name

59:08

came up a lot. And if you're out there

59:10

putting Drew Aller to go in the first round

59:12

over Kyle McCord, I don't know what you were

59:14

watching last year or this spring. Drew

59:17

Aller has not shown yet that he is a

59:19

good quarterback, like a good,

59:21

powerful quarterback, let alone a first-round draft

59:24

pick quarterback. Maybe he will. I

59:26

just feel like it was one of the indications to me

59:28

that like, oh, this is maybe some pretty lazy analysis here.

59:32

I don't, let me get

59:34

this off my chest. I don't like the way Kyle McCord was

59:36

painted sometimes during this draft cycle

59:38

when talking about Marvin Harrison Jr.

59:41

because it was almost like used

59:43

as like a point in that this

59:46

is why Marvin Harrison Jr. is better than

59:48

the other two guys who were in the

59:50

big three wide receiver conversation with elite lay

59:52

neighbors and Roma Dunsey is that those two

59:54

guys at Heisman Trophy finalists, quarterback and Marvin

59:56

Harrison Jr. went from playing with CJ

59:59

Stroud. to incompetent quarterback play

1:00:02

and that's not true at all. He did not

1:00:04

have Drew hour last year. Kyle McCord was good.

1:00:06

He was a very, he was one of the

1:00:09

20 best quarterbacks in college football last year. It's

1:00:11

just that's not the standard here anymore but sometimes

1:00:13

it felt like when they were talking about Marvin

1:00:15

Harrison Jr. it was like well look at his

1:00:18

quarterback playing yet he still did this. He didn't

1:00:20

overcome Kyle McCord. I don't think that's the

1:00:22

right way to put that. I just been thinking about that for a

1:00:24

little bit here. Andrew before we move on to

1:00:26

the Will Howard part of this. Any

1:00:31

just consideration to the

1:00:33

Devon Brown one-year starter and then

1:00:35

he's off to the NFL or is that

1:00:38

just an irresponsible thing for both NFL

1:00:40

teams to do and also Devon Brown

1:00:42

to do for his own individual? Well

1:00:44

it always feels like there's

1:00:47

a quarterback that comes out of nowhere. Like

1:00:49

imagine doing this pod on April

1:00:51

29th, 2023 and saying Jaden Daniels is

1:00:53

gonna be the number two overall pick

1:00:56

in next year's draft. That

1:00:58

would have been crazy. You could have said the same thing

1:01:01

about Burrow. There have been a

1:01:03

few quarterbacks throughout the years that you could say

1:01:05

that about like whoa this guy kind of came out

1:01:07

of nowhere but no

1:01:09

I didn't consider Devon Brown in

1:01:11

this kind

1:01:14

of category. I think like if

1:01:16

he wins the job and plays well I

1:01:19

mean he would I mean we have to

1:01:21

be talking like he's in New York in

1:01:23

December for him to be I think in

1:01:25

this conversation. Even

1:01:29

with the coming out of nowhere part of it,

1:01:31

them coming out of nowhere is like Kenny Pickett

1:01:34

going from throwing 14 touchdown passes in 2020 to

1:01:36

throw in 2019 to throw in 42. It's finally

1:01:38

your cause

1:01:40

football. It would have to look like that which he doesn't even have

1:01:42

the opportunity to do this year. Okay let's

1:01:44

wrap up with Will Howard who I think we all

1:01:47

still think is eventually eventually going to win this job

1:01:49

anyway because that's why he's here as

1:01:51

a guy who has played football. We

1:01:53

just watched the draft where six

1:01:55

quarterbacks went in the first round and

1:01:58

I think after the first three we all win. What?

1:02:01

What? Huh? Teams

1:02:03

is overreaching for quarterbacks, but that's what happened.

1:02:06

And a bunch of those guys, Nathan, were

1:02:08

guys who got drafted after the Treasury into

1:02:10

our second team. And it's still, I know

1:02:12

what you're going to say, it's not completely

1:02:15

apples to apples because Bo Nix had two

1:02:17

years at Oregon, Michael Pinnix had two years

1:02:19

at Washington, Jay Nails had two years at

1:02:21

LSU. So they had, it was almost more

1:02:23

Joe Burrow, like where you had a year

1:02:25

to adjust. Joe Burrow had two years at

1:02:27

LSU. Right. You had a year to adjust

1:02:29

before you had the year that shows, hey,

1:02:31

I'm an NFL quarterback. Will Howard didn't

1:02:33

have two years. That's just the reality of

1:02:35

the situation. So he's going to have to

1:02:37

be on a sped up timeline and maybe

1:02:39

meet somewhere in the middle of where all

1:02:41

these quarterbacks where you're talking Joe Burrow, Jay

1:02:44

Daniels, Bo Nix, or Michael Pinnix were between year

1:02:46

one and year two, he's just going to have

1:02:48

to be somewhere in the middle. And

1:02:50

if he is somewhere in the middle, maybe that's enough

1:02:52

for Ohio State to win a national championship. That's not

1:02:54

the conversation we're having right now. Is

1:02:56

that enough where we just watched six

1:03:00

quarterbacks go off the board in

1:03:02

12 picks, that's where we're at

1:03:04

with quarterbacks now and taking them in the NFL

1:03:06

draft. Does it open right now? We

1:03:09

don't know who QB wanted in 24. There's no clear.

1:03:11

There's no Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence, Bryce Young,

1:03:14

where it's very clear a year out

1:03:16

who the number one quarterback is going

1:03:18

to be a year from now. So

1:03:20

it's it's really wide open even if

1:03:22

the Carson Bexon, Quinn Ewers, and Shidur

1:03:24

Stanyers names are out there. Just

1:03:26

the way we just saw quarterbacks come off the board, does that

1:03:29

open your mind a little bit more? I know you can pick

1:03:31

them, but does it open your mind a little

1:03:33

bit more that if Will Howard is 85% of

1:03:36

what some other transfer quarterbacks around the country

1:03:38

have been in year two, that he could

1:03:41

sneak his way into the first round because

1:03:43

teams get dumbfounded when it

1:03:45

comes to finding a quarterback. You

1:03:48

know, it's tough. It's tough

1:03:50

to talk about someone sneaking into the first round there. I guess

1:03:52

someone could trade up and take him at the end of the

1:03:54

first round, but just the teams that are drafting in the first

1:03:56

round typically don't need a quarterback. So There's

1:03:58

that. Like it's. More like we're talking about humans

1:04:01

like as he can be a top. Fifteen.

1:04:03

Pick mean that's where you had all six of

1:04:05

those guys go in the top twelve this past

1:04:07

year and we're past week and. The.

1:04:09

It was someone even like Michael Panics. Which.

1:04:12

I think was insane. But. Even someone

1:04:14

like Michael panics. It wasn't that the

1:04:16

Falcons felt. They. Were so

1:04:18

desperate for a quarterback, but they had to

1:04:20

take one there no matter what. They.

1:04:23

Believe In Michael Clinics. They.

1:04:25

Believe in what they've seen on film. We believe

1:04:27

in there in person analysis. They think he's they're

1:04:29

good and so I think that's. Where

1:04:32

the Will Howard thing is? it really

1:04:34

doesn't matter that much. That

1:04:37

that teams are are desperate for quarterbacks in more

1:04:39

is what did he proved? He came here to

1:04:41

prove the he's an Nfl quarterback at all

1:04:43

because he's considering the Nfl draft and I think

1:04:46

if he'd had the indication that he was gonna

1:04:48

be a you know I'm. A. Definite draft

1:04:50

pick in this draft. he might not be you

1:04:52

know state right now so. That.

1:04:55

Tells you a little something we watched

1:04:57

film or are you guys felt when

1:04:59

I watched Kansas State. Games.

1:05:02

Probably. The player in that often said I

1:05:04

came way the most impressed with was. Then

1:05:07

Senate. Who. Just had taken a

1:05:09

big in the second round. Like to eat

1:05:11

back the tide and go die for gains

1:05:13

state and. It's not

1:05:15

that I didn't dig Will. Howard was a

1:05:17

good football player, but I didn't come off

1:05:19

of that very often. Like wowed by him

1:05:21

and say what you will about Michael panics

1:05:23

and bow next. Who. Was really happy

1:05:25

to two guys we we talk the most about

1:05:27

it. maybe been a stretch of the other three

1:05:29

guys get taken at the top web. you know

1:05:31

it's it's to. I've been trophy winners and. And.

1:05:35

Drake May, who had been identified. Well.

1:05:38

Ahead of this year's draft. As someone who

1:05:40

had the oh and fell into animals that

1:05:43

the teams like I'm in Nfl skills it

1:05:45

seems like and was was projected to be

1:05:47

a high pick going into this year. The.

1:05:50

Other guy like it's isn't the two

1:05:52

guys it reaches like still. Did.

1:05:55

Specialising sometimes on the field and with and

1:05:57

really set themselves apart with their quarterback. So

1:06:01

that's I think where I still just need to

1:06:03

see that from Will Howard before I start talking

1:06:05

about him as a first round draft pick. I

1:06:07

think he's someone who can definitely play himself into being a draft

1:06:09

pick. You know, the guys been

1:06:11

even like, there were guys getting

1:06:14

drafted late in this draft

1:06:16

who were talented college quarterbacks who

1:06:18

did good, you know,

1:06:20

interesting athletic things as college quarterbacks. And maybe

1:06:23

there's a ceiling on those guys, but I

1:06:25

think right now we probably see a similar

1:06:27

ceiling on Will Howard as far as what

1:06:29

he can be at the NFL level. So

1:06:32

does that make him a late round draft

1:06:34

pick? Does that make him a UFA who

1:06:36

can be a long term backup in the

1:06:38

league? I don't know, but that's just how

1:06:40

I see him right now. Maybe he, once

1:06:43

the season gets rolling, once he gets into an

1:06:45

offense with this structure and with these kinds of

1:06:47

playmakers, maybe it shows us something new. But

1:06:50

I don't right now see him

1:06:52

on a first round trip. I think

1:06:55

one of the craziest things that came out of this weekend

1:06:58

was there was a time when people

1:07:00

thought Spencer Rattler was going to be the number one

1:07:02

pick in the NFL draft, and

1:07:04

he ends up being 150th in a

1:07:06

situation where I'm not even sure he's going to be the

1:07:08

starting quarterback from New Orleans Saints. That's

1:07:11

just crazy to me. But Andrew, what do you

1:07:13

think? Any consideration to Will Howard joining

1:07:16

that list of transfers that

1:07:19

changed locations and it significantly up

1:07:21

their draft stock to first round

1:07:23

status? I think it could significantly

1:07:25

up your draft status, but

1:07:28

I am not very confident that it would be

1:07:30

a first round draft status. The

1:07:33

only way that I would see it would kind of be like

1:07:35

running back where the

1:07:37

Ravens did this in 2019 with

1:07:39

Lamar where they traded into the

1:07:41

32nd overall pick to take him

1:07:44

because they were like, you know what, let's just get the fifth year. It's

1:07:47

a quarterback. And if it works, if we're right, we're

1:07:50

going to need that fifth year to save some money. So

1:07:53

I wonder if that would be

1:07:55

the possibility where Will

1:07:57

Howard is the 48th ranked player. on

1:08:00

some team's board, let's just say that that's the

1:08:02

average consensus. I don't know what it is. Like

1:08:04

if he can elevate himself to kind of that

1:08:06

like top 50 ish level player, then

1:08:09

you're talking about a guy who, all right,

1:08:11

well, does it really matter if we take

1:08:13

our quarterback at 32 or if we take

1:08:15

him at 44, right? Like if we take our quarterback

1:08:17

at 58 or 32, does

1:08:19

it matter? Maybe, because if we're right, we're

1:08:21

good. And if we're wrong, we're fired. So

1:08:23

I think that that could be the situation

1:08:26

where if he's kind of that like back,

1:08:29

you know, day two level guy, then

1:08:32

you can just kind of talk yourself into like, maybe

1:08:34

he just goes round one. So you get

1:08:36

that fifth year. You

1:08:38

said the other day, or you said a couple

1:08:40

of minutes ago, that that's just where

1:08:43

the NFL is with six quarterbacks. I actually

1:08:45

disagree with that point. In

1:08:47

2023, there were three quarterbacks in the first round and

1:08:49

they went in three of the top four picks. And

1:08:52

that was it. There were three

1:08:54

first round quarterbacks because the league

1:08:56

determined that they wanted to take a

1:08:58

chance on Bryce Young, CJ Stroud and Anthony Richardson. And

1:09:01

then that was it. And then nobody else

1:09:03

went in the first round. Next

1:09:05

year, I think we've got

1:09:07

a lot of question marks. Now, obviously, we still have

1:09:09

a whole season of football to play, but there's

1:09:12

Carson Beck, there's Quinn Ewers, there's

1:09:14

Shidder Sanders, there's, there's all these guys that were

1:09:16

just kind of like, I don't know, maybe like

1:09:19

that's the best word you can describe those guys, right?

1:09:21

As maybe. So there's Riley Leonard at Notre

1:09:23

Dame, which I think is in kind of the Will Howard

1:09:25

comp, Drew Aller, I'm with

1:09:28

Nathan, I'm not putting him up there. The

1:09:31

kid out at Oregon, Dylan Gabriel, I mean, maybe

1:09:33

I just, I

1:09:36

don't think teams are necessarily

1:09:38

like we have to take a quarterback early.

1:09:40

If there's not one there, that's not high

1:09:42

on their board, they're just not going to

1:09:45

take one. And I think the reason we

1:09:47

saw six this past couple of weeks or

1:09:49

past couple of days was because teams saw

1:09:52

the maybe disaster building in 2025. And

1:09:54

they went, you

1:09:56

know what, if we don't take

1:09:58

a quarterback here, We might

1:10:00

be in trouble if we

1:10:02

don't take a guy that we want

1:10:04

in 2024, like the Broncos, I'm sure

1:10:06

had this thought. The

1:10:09

Falcons thing was ridiculous anyway, but I'm sure

1:10:11

that was part of the Falcons thinking, which

1:10:13

was looking at it. You know, the

1:10:15

Falcons did something stupid. We don't have to keep talking.

1:10:17

I know. But like, I'm sure that was part of

1:10:19

their thinking where it was like, if we don't take

1:10:21

Pennick here, we're not going to, we might not take a

1:10:23

quarterback next year. And then who

1:10:26

knows where we're going to be after the 2025 season. Maybe

1:10:29

Kirk is retiring. Maybe we're getting out of

1:10:31

that contract. Whatever. That was the

1:10:33

reason why I think there were six, not

1:10:35

because teams are so goo goo gaga over

1:10:37

quarterbacks. It's the

1:10:40

2025 class might just be so weak. So there's

1:10:42

a couple of ways which I could see it,

1:10:44

which is you just take advantage of

1:10:46

a really weak quarterback class. You take advantage of

1:10:48

a team trying to get that fifth year. But

1:10:51

notice I'm not saying Will Howard shows up

1:10:53

and is like, whoa, this guy is the

1:10:55

10th best player in the country. We have

1:10:58

to take him. I think it's

1:11:00

going to be some situational stuff that would get him into the

1:11:02

first row. Yeah, man. I don't know

1:11:04

what the Falcons would do. The quarterback situation

1:11:06

sucked in 2025 and it wasn't a good

1:11:08

quarterback in the 2026. And then

1:11:11

you took a 22 year old who would

1:11:13

still be younger than your entire quarterback room.

1:11:16

Anyway, that's a, that's not for this part.

1:11:19

I didn't have Will Howard either. And

1:11:22

I'm like 25% open

1:11:24

to it though, just because what

1:11:26

if, what if Ohio state unlocked something?

1:11:28

What if he's not wrong? What if

1:11:31

what Will Howard was saying the first time we

1:11:33

talked to him and just the way he was

1:11:35

used at Kansas state in comparison to how

1:11:37

he is going to be used at Ohio

1:11:39

state, unlock something and he gives scouts something

1:11:41

new to look at. And

1:11:44

because of that mixed with the

1:11:46

value of quarterback sometimes some

1:11:48

team takes a flyer on them at 16. I'm

1:11:51

open to it 25%, but that's not

1:11:53

enough for me to put it down on

1:11:56

a list like this. So what ends

1:11:58

up happening here is we are. all

1:12:00

in agreement that we're

1:12:02

projecting Ryan Day to tie Jim

1:12:04

Tressel and Urban Meyers' ties of

1:12:07

five. Nathan and

1:12:09

I had Emeka Abuka, Jack Sawyer,

1:12:11

JT Twi-Maloao, Denzel Burke and

1:12:14

Tylee Williams. So five four-year guys.

1:12:16

Andrew has Emeka Abuka, Jack Sawyer, JT

1:12:18

Twi-Maloao, Denzel Burke and then Davis and

1:12:20

Iqbaloson. So four four-year guys and one

1:12:23

three and done guy. We all got

1:12:25

fair with it which would put Ohio

1:12:27

State at 96 all-time

1:12:30

first-round draft picks regardless of which

1:12:32

one comes right or I don't

1:12:34

know any other formulation of

1:12:36

this but we all think projecting

1:12:39

a year out Ohio State will be at

1:12:41

96 all-time first-round

1:12:44

draft picks which is they already have more than

1:12:46

any other program in NFL history that would just

1:12:48

push that number out even more. So let's close

1:12:50

with this. If

1:12:53

we all think they get the 96 by 2025

1:12:55

that puts them four away from being the first

1:12:57

program to have a hundred. Do

1:13:00

we think this is a

1:13:02

way too early thing that by the end of

1:13:06

2026 they can get to a hundred first-round

1:13:08

draft picks Nathan you first. Yes

1:13:11

in 2026 I think it's possible because

1:13:13

I think you'll have killed downs. I

1:13:16

think you'll have at least

1:13:18

one receiver. I think

1:13:21

you will have Sonny Styles in

1:13:23

the mix there. I think

1:13:27

if Davis and Iqbaloson stays another year he'll be in

1:13:29

the mix. If not you've got other cornerbacks will be

1:13:31

in the mix. I think a hundred is very much

1:13:33

by the end of the 2026 draft I think 2028

1:13:36

I think 100 is very much within

1:13:38

reach. Andrew? Yeah

1:13:40

there's so many guys there that were like

1:13:43

oh maybe like we're talking about like Tylee

1:13:45

Williams you know we're talking about one of

1:13:47

the running backs like we're talking about all

1:13:49

these like maybe like we're talking about these

1:13:52

future guys too like oh well there's definitely

1:13:54

Caleb Downs and there's you know

1:13:56

definitely going to be a receiver that comes out

1:13:58

of this right like I just think that there's

1:14:00

a lot of like there's a lot of

1:14:02

you know grab bag stuff where you're like oh it could

1:14:04

be this guy could be that guy but I think you're

1:14:06

gonna get there I think that that number is is fair.

1:14:12

I think that might surpass it I think that

1:14:14

might be like one-on-one or something because to your

1:14:16

point Nathan there might be two receivers and now

1:14:18

you're depending on how Cardinal Tate and Brennan and

1:14:20

his continue to progress there. I don't know maybe

1:14:22

Jeremiah Smith pulls a Marish Correa tries to get

1:14:24

to the NFL early who knows but those are

1:14:27

our list we all think they'll be at 96

1:14:29

getting five guys which will tie Jim Tressel in

1:14:31

Urban Meyers highs during their times as our state's

1:14:33

head coach but it'll still be one short of

1:14:35

what the overall record is that six held by

1:14:37

Miami's 2004 and Alabama's 2021 draft classes get the

1:14:39

text 614-350-3315 as you're

1:14:45

listening to this the transfer portal is closing is

1:14:47

it like a time Nathan and it actually closes

1:14:49

like they do with the trade deadline or is

1:14:51

it on that day? It's probably 11.59 p.m. that

1:14:53

day I believe. Okay

1:14:57

so as you're hearing this the transfer portal

1:14:59

is closed so they'll probably still

1:15:01

be stuff trickling out of God it'll still be

1:15:03

open on to throughout the day Tuesday. Okay

1:15:06

so 11.59 on Tuesday is my belief so. So

1:15:10

last day of the transfer portal is today as

1:15:12

you're listening to this pod so get the text

1:15:14

614-350-3315 so far Ohio State has lost three people

1:15:16

as of this pod

1:15:22

going up at 3 a.m. in the morning

1:15:24

maybe that number goes up throughout the day

1:15:27

maybe it's six at three but that's where

1:15:29

we're at and if anybody else goes in

1:15:31

that's where we're going with the information first.

1:15:33

Andrew without a canton over the weekend at

1:15:35

the end of while Nathan and I were

1:15:37

doing the NFL draft stuff for guys going

1:15:39

into the draft Andrew was on the

1:15:41

side of work guys go at the end of their careers

1:15:43

when they're really really good watching teenagers do stuff and he

1:15:45

probably got intel from a lot of those guys so we're

1:15:48

gonna be doing a recruiting pod this week and then we're

1:15:50

gonna be doing something later this week out of some of

1:15:52

something we did last year just most valuable players on the

1:15:54

team we're gonna involve the Texas and that is well 614-350-3315

1:15:56

two week free trial,

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399 after that for Nathan Baird, for

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Andrew Gillis, I'm Stephen Means and that was

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