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Oh hey! Hey everybody! What a time

2:35

to be alive up here in the intro. So just

2:38

a couple exciting things to share with you

2:40

before we dive in to

2:42

this episode of Flayers. So

2:44

tomorrow, October 27th, we're

2:46

gonna be doing our next Pumpkin

2:49

Spike Autumn group watch.

2:51

We're gonna be watching two Halloween

2:54

episodes. We're gonna be watching Halloween and

2:57

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kicking off at 8 p.m. Eastern

3:02

tomorrow night, October 27th, in the

3:05

Discord. Come

3:07

and join us. Hang out. Bring your pumpkins.

3:09

Carve them while we watch. I don't know, maybe carve them after

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3:13

want to be paying attention when you're

3:15

carving. Bring your spiced cider.

3:18

Bring your donuts.

3:20

Bring your pumpkin beer. Let's

3:24

have a little Halloween fun together. Oh Jenny, it's so close

3:26

to when we get to show them what our Halloween costumes are. How fun.

3:29

Hooray! A

3:32

couple other dates coming up that you should know about. First

3:35

of all, in case you're wondering when the next X-Files

3:37

episode comes out, we took a couple of weeks off there

3:40

to gather our Slayers ducks up

3:42

and get them in a row. We will be back

3:44

in the X-Files feed on November

3:47

1st talking about the episode Born

3:50

Again. And then, just three days

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after that, put it in your calendars. November 4th, Pumpkin

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4:05

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4:11

I'm hoping that I get to say at least one Papa

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Papa spike looks good. Okay And

4:17

after that concert of spike songs,

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Slash buffering cast and our last order

4:36

of business before we get into it Here is

4:38

the results of last episode

4:40

sexual attention award So

4:45

in fourth place with 12% of the

4:47

vote not that she cares or needs your

4:49

approval in any way shape or form It's on

4:51

you and on Yonka. Kristen has provided

4:54

me with some Ship

4:56

names. Okay

4:59

on Yonka. Yeah

5:00

That

5:02

was my proudest of my ship name. I love

5:04

it. I love it This

5:05

next one is really good to you in third

5:08

place

5:08

with 25% of the vote

5:10

It's

5:11

Clem and spike aka splen

5:15

Splen you don't need mucinex

5:17

for it. It's plum. That's

5:19

right

5:21

in second place Well,

5:24

well things are heating up

5:27

on this burner 29% of

5:29

the vote it's Cordelia and spike sport.

5:32

Ilya Cordyce the

5:34

general consensus from the group has been that

5:36

sport. Delia is there is the people's

5:38

choice?

5:39

Cordelia feels good. Mm-hmm

5:41

And in first place with 35% of the vote In

5:45

spite of the fact that this is absolutely in no

5:48

uncertain terms none of

5:50

our business It's

5:53

drew and Tara it's drew

5:56

Sarah or if you're

5:59

Drusilla

5:59

Drusara or

6:02

Tarsila or Tarsila. Tarsila

6:05

really just has a certain it just sounds like Godzilla.

6:08

So I really like that one better. So those

6:10

are the results

6:11

Don't forget to keep voting as

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we continue to move through the series, please we

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desperately need your votes They're very

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Voting in our sexual tension

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award polls have been clinically.

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There we go All right.

6:40

Let's get into today's episode covering a

6:42

slayers episode three

6:57

Hello My

7:00

god This

7:05

So

7:07

Explain

7:09

Olivia I Swear to you. You

7:12

said you put all this behind you it is

7:14

behind me. She's supposed to be dead

7:16

Oh, that's nice for

7:18

your information where I come from you

7:20

were the dead one Hi,

7:23

but we should probably explain

7:29

You

7:45

Hello and Welcome

7:48

to buffering the vampire slayer

7:50

a podcast where we were once

7:53

Watching and discussing every episode of Buffy the vampire

7:55

slayer one by one spoiler free But we are now

7:57

listening to discussing

8:00

every episode of Slayers, a Buffyverse story,

8:03

one by one, spoiler free. I

8:07

am undeniably Jenny Ooyoung,

8:09

and I am undeniably

8:11

Kristen Russo, and this week we are back

8:13

talking about episode three

8:16

of Slayers, a Buffyverse

8:18

story.

8:19

The entire series was written by Amber Benson

8:21

and Christopher Golden and directed by

8:23

Amber Benson and Christopher Golden with co-direction

8:26

from Casey Wayland. It was also

8:28

produced by Casey Wayland and originally aired

8:31

in a binge drop October 12th, 2023. This

8:35

is the one where Giles

8:38

and Olivia are having

8:40

sex inside

8:41

of a bookstore that they apparently own together

8:44

in London. England? England. Maybe

8:46

not London. Listen, Giles and

8:48

Olivia, they're kissing each other, they love

8:50

each other, their life is actually kind

8:52

of great it seems like until once again, in

8:55

blows an apocalypse. Yes,

8:58

that which we have been praying for since Hush

9:00

aired has indeed come to pass. Oh my god,

9:03

thank god. We knew. Praise

9:06

the Lord. Love to see it. Hear

9:08

it. Whatever. This is also the one

9:10

where Clem bites the head

9:12

off of a, what are they called,

9:15

demon?

9:16

Pothos. Pothos. Pothos. Pothos.

9:18

Pothos.

9:19

Pothos. Pothos. Pothos. Pothos.

9:21

Pothos. Pothos. Demon. They

9:23

do well in low light and office environments.

9:26

They're very

9:26

hard to kill.

9:28

Yeah, you can propagate those demons like

9:30

crazy. Anyway,

9:34

Jenny, big thoughts

9:36

on this episode? Uh,

9:38

thrilled to see Olivia. Thrilled

9:42

that Giles was back in the mix.

9:44

I do have some questions. Yeah,

9:48

I, there are certain arcs

9:50

that are really, really working for

9:52

me and that I

9:53

am so intrigued by and

9:54

there are some arcs that I feel and I,

9:57

you know, listen, far be it from me, uh, to.

9:59

write an audio drama of my own.

10:01

But there, you

10:04

know, it's this, it's this like show, don't

10:06

tell. Like you want to show,

10:09

not tell, right? Just generally in anything you

10:11

create, you want to show, not tell. But I can't

10:13

imagine what that lift looks like when you literally

10:16

can't

10:17

show. You know

10:17

what I mean? Like you can't you, you don't have the

10:20

image, you can't watch the folks

10:22

talking, you can't do anything visually.

10:24

So you are really tied

10:26

to the words that come out of folks mouths. And

10:29

in some ways, I think that the stories are

10:31

being told really great in that way. But in other

10:33

ways, I really have just felt

10:35

like, okay, like I understand, I understand

10:38

that Anya's magic is chaotic in

10:40

this dimension, you know, like I

10:42

understand that and I don't need to be told again.

10:45

And I almost want and again, you

10:47

know, we experience this so differently

10:49

because we we listen to the episode. I don't

10:51

know if you're listening twice, Jenny, but oh,

10:53

yeah. Yeah. So it's like we listen to it casually.

10:56

And then we listen. And when I do my second listen

10:58

for my notes, I'm like pausing, I'm taking notes,

11:00

I'm, you know, like digging into certain

11:02

things, I'm like, Oh, connecting the dots. So

11:05

it's hard to say if certain things that feel

11:08

a little bit too over the head feel more

11:10

so because of how in depth we get. That

11:13

said, I don't even know where I am inside of this sentence

11:16

that I started. But that said, listeners

11:19

or Buffy fans, I should say, go

11:21

deep. So like, I think that as

11:24

the like fans of the Buffyverse, you

11:27

don't have to tell us things usually more than

11:29

once or twice because we go

11:31

deep, we want to make the connections, we want to find things

11:33

you didn't even mean to write in the script. And so

11:35

I think there are some places where this

11:37

is just coming on a little

11:39

bit heavy handed to me with

11:42

how many times I've been told certain things. And we can get into

11:44

that inside

11:46

of the episode. I do want

11:48

to say one more thing, big thought wise,

11:50

which is between Jenny and I, I have

11:52

listened to the whole series all nine episodes, and

11:55

Jenny is going one at a time with those

11:57

of you who are going one at a time with us. at

12:00

this point in my listen, I was like,

12:03

I don't know. Like, I don't know how much I'm feeling

12:05

certain things, like I just said. By the time

12:07

I got to latter episodes and

12:09

then the end, I was clamoring for

12:12

more. So I would say that if you're feeling

12:14

a dip at this point and you're like, should

12:16

I keep going? I would encourage

12:18

you to keep going because I think

12:21

that some of the things that are developed and

12:24

some of the things that happen are worth

12:26

it to continue. I'm

12:29

excited. I can't wait.

12:30

Okay. So Spike's previously

12:33

on is clearly going to become a theme.

12:36

Yeah. He's also

12:38

being harassed by rats.

12:42

Noted. The rats that Angel left

12:44

alive

12:44

are now coming to haunt Spike.

12:46

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We

12:48

are the daughters of the rats that

12:51

your sire, your grand sire

12:54

didn't exsanguine.

12:56

That's

13:01

what the t-shirt says that all the little rats

13:03

are wearing. Yeah. And I think, you know,

13:05

the previous Leon's... And Latoya, I think,

13:07

mentioned this. Maybe it was Latoya. I can't even remember

13:09

anymore. But someone mentioned the fact that it's funny to

13:11

have previous Leon's in a binge series because

13:14

we're binging them. Yeah. Right?

13:16

Like, it's written. It was dropped in a binge. But

13:20

there are certain things that I think, going

13:22

against what I said earlier, bear repeating. I

13:25

think the Onyanka lore

13:27

that we were given last episode, like,

13:30

for me, a listener, I like to have that

13:32

spelled out again by Spike, because that was

13:34

helpful for me to sort of wrap my

13:36

brain around. So maybe they decided

13:38

to do this both for folks who spaced

13:41

them out or dropped in on a latter

13:43

episode. And also just

13:45

to get that repetition. I just wish

13:47

some of the stuff that they repeated in the

13:50

character scripts, they would just give to Spike

13:52

at the beginning instead. Yeah,

13:54

yeah. Maybe there's a better balance that

13:57

could be struck there. I do find myself

13:59

that when I... binge something, which is not

14:01

what I'm doing with this, but right

14:03

now I'm blasting through Doctor

14:05

Who, and because I

14:08

am just watching episode after episode,

14:10

I find myself occasionally

14:13

missing small details or being like, oh wait, what is, how

14:15

does this tie back? It's clear that I'm supposed to remember

14:17

how this ties back to something, but I'm totally

14:19

blanking and

14:21

I think when you're doing week to week watching

14:24

or listening

14:24

or whatever, you're maybe getting

14:25

a little bit more of

14:27

the details sort of like absorbed into your

14:29

brain. So

14:31

if you are binging this, I feel like spikes

14:33

previously are probably helpful

14:36

just to sort of like, okay, I got to the end of the episode and

14:38

now here's like the reset reminding me

14:40

of what I need to know going forward

14:43

and let's go spike the sorbet

14:45

course

14:45

between meals. Yeah, whatever.

14:48

I'm not, I'm not

14:50

a fancy bitch. I don't actually

14:53

know what a sorbet course is for. Cleanse

14:55

the palate. Yeah, okay. I

14:58

actually think it's a sherbet course that's supposed

15:00

to be the palate cleanser. I don't know what

15:03

meaningful differences there are

15:05

between sorbet and sherbet,

15:08

but also the fact that I have discovered

15:11

as an adult that the word is sherbet and

15:13

not sherbert. I know it's

15:15

so disturbing. Is that real Berenstain

15:17

Bears situation? Okay, so two

15:19

things that I have to follow up on,

15:22

which are neither one about Buffy. Sherbert

15:25

sherbet. Is that a regional thing? Because I have same sherbert.

15:27

We always said sherbert and I'm

15:29

curious if you're from California, if you're from

15:32

not the United States, I don't know. Did

15:34

you also mix it up or did you always know with sherbet

15:37

to Jenny? I think I'm going to make

15:39

a guess. I'm pretty sure that sherbet

15:42

has like can have dairy

15:44

of some kind in it. Whereas sorbet does not.

15:47

That's my guess. Great guess.

15:50

Totally wrong. No,

15:52

I don't know. Oh, I thought you were looking it up. I don't

15:54

know what the rules are. Alright, no, let's leave it. Let's

15:57

just leave it out in the ether and

15:59

let the... Sure we'll get a strongly worded

16:01

email or two, illuminating

16:03

for us where we've gone wrong

16:05

here. Okay.

16:07

We pick up

16:08

at the ambush where we left off

16:10

in the last episode, right?

16:11

And I feel

16:14

like for

16:16

an audio story, I feel like there are a lot of

16:19

fights, a lot of punching.

16:21

And also what's required in

16:24

that is sort of like for dialogue

16:26

to occur that feels maybe a

16:28

little unnatural so that we know who is punching

16:31

who and like

16:32

who is receiving what blows and stuff. Right.

16:35

And this feels just like a little bit like, I

16:38

don't know, like

16:41

you're wanting more like show

16:43

don't tell, which, you know, we're not the ones making

16:45

the audio drama. So we're not claiming

16:48

to know the answer of how to do that. But

16:50

as a listener, like I think I'm picking

16:52

up what you're putting down, Jenny.

16:57

How do you have a fight? Like, how do

16:59

you do that? How do you have a fight scene where you don't

17:01

explain what's happening? I

17:03

and I don't know because I don't listen

17:06

to a lot of audio dramas, but I do. I

17:08

have been thinking a lot about what it would have been to

17:10

have a narrator throughout, like sort

17:14

of a voice to help us understand what's

17:16

happening, giving then the characters

17:18

the ability

17:21

to be freer with their dialogue

17:23

and not have that lift of explaining

17:25

like the lore or who

17:27

they're hitting or so on and so forth.

17:31

But I don't know.

17:31

Again, I'm not a big audio drama

17:33

listener. So

17:35

I don't know if that's a tool that's used or overused

17:37

or, you know, I have no idea. It's

17:40

my first one, guys. Now, I don't know if

17:42

the answer is like fewer fights

17:44

or handling the fights differently or like

17:48

you said, some kind of like

17:49

more

17:51

ongoing narration that would

17:53

like kind of illuminate. It's just like it's just an

17:55

interesting thing to take

17:58

a show where we're like a story where

17:59

like very used to seeing fights

18:02

and then translating that to audio.

18:05

Yeah. I

18:07

mean, you know, listen, if there was, if there were two

18:09

podcasters in the universe, you

18:11

could just cut to the episodes of their podcast.

18:14

Totally. And we're available. We are available.

18:17

We, we are here for you if you

18:19

would like us to do that

18:21

lift. But made me actually

18:23

think of that Jenny as I was sort of, as you

18:25

were talking, thinking, what are other ways? Like

18:28

who could be a narrator? Do you narrate inside

18:30

of something like this? And I thought, well, you know, you have

18:32

Indira, like you have this like

18:35

teen girl who's been obsessed on

18:37

the sub Reddit who like might

18:39

be keeping a journal or keeping a log

18:42

or keep, you know what I mean? Like I could see

18:44

Indira being in some

18:46

like Indira and Spike doing sort of like this,

18:48

this double lift of keeping us informed

18:51

on the particulars and taking some of that off

18:54

of the characters. But we'll see. You

18:57

know, I think this is the, it's the

18:59

first season and I genuinely, genuinely

19:02

hope that we get more. And

19:04

so I think maybe some of these things will go. Let's

19:07

all think about the first season of Buffy the Vampire

19:09

Slayer, shall we? Oh my gosh. And how?

19:13

A lot of kinks had to

19:15

get worked out and blessed

19:17

season one and all of its glory. But

19:19

you know, Jenny, I want

19:21

to let you know, even though you probably thought yourself that

19:24

in the script, the dog

19:26

demon that is fighting these

19:28

folks in the opening scene, everyone else

19:30

is just like minion one, minion two, but the dog

19:33

demon is named Rolf. Wow.

19:35

Yeah.

19:37

For now, we

19:38

never learned that. Like as a listener, you

19:40

will never know that. But his name

19:42

is Rolf. Cordelia

19:44

kicks his ass. Would love to bring a

19:46

little sound clip in here and listen to

19:49

Cordy just because we love

19:51

Cordy, but also hear a little bit of Cordy's

19:54

backstory. Finish the big

19:56

dog, man. You go fight something else. I'm

20:00

the big dog man, darling. You're

20:02

darling, Spike. Yeah, boy.

20:06

And not the Cordelia Cape of Union.

20:11

I've been a Slayer 19 years, most

20:13

don't make it to four.

20:14

Why's it stay?

20:18

Now roll over and play dead.

20:21

Good. 19 fucking

20:24

years of being the Slayer? Cordelia

20:26

was the Slayer for four years.

20:29

Nope, that's the wrong math. Three

20:31

years before Indira was even born. Wow.

20:35

That's wild. That's

20:37

too long. I mean, classic

20:39

Watchers Council that there's no retirement

20:42

plan for a Slayer, but don't you

20:44

think you should be able to retire maybe after 15?

20:48

Well, then there's just no Slayer

20:50

until you die a natural death. Oh,

20:52

true. I guess that doesn't flaw in the

20:54

plan.

20:56

Well, if they could just peek over to

20:58

the other universes, they would know that if they just did a tiny

21:00

little bit of drowning to Cordy, then

21:02

they would get their new Slayer. Oh, yeah. Just

21:05

drown her for like a little bit. She only

21:07

needs to die for a second. Apparently,

21:10

every single Slayer is a delicious cocktail

21:12

of trauma for penthos demons

21:14

to enjoy. Maranda

21:17

differentiating between all of the different

21:19

kinds of demons and people that have

21:22

despair. And, Maranda, you could literally

21:24

feed off of anyone. You're just

21:26

classifying them for no reason. We're

21:29

all miserable inside. We get it. Yeah,

21:32

yeah. She's being like

21:34

a really intense beer guy.

21:37

Not that

21:39

there's anything wrong with being an intense

21:41

beer guy, but sometimes,

21:44

you know, intense beer guys want to explain

21:46

things in my new detail to people who are

21:49

just trying to drink a beer. In my

21:51

limited

21:51

experience. Yeah,

21:53

we're like despair, despair, despair.

21:55

Maranda's like, she's like

21:57

your sommelier fan. And you're like,

22:00

I am but a peasant. Stop saying

22:02

notes of oak.

22:07

All right, we go to Galaxy

22:09

Books. Still remains my

22:11

favorite place in the universe.

22:14

And Raheem, one of my

22:17

favorite characters still.

22:20

Raheem is definitely the most reasonable person

22:23

that we've met in this universe.

22:24

Raheem just wants to sell his books and be left alone. Honestly,

22:27

Raheem, show me the Raheem Giles

22:30

sharing a beer scene, you know.

22:33

These two have a lot in common.

22:35

Clem is reading Little Women

22:37

to

22:38

Anyanka. How

22:42

do you feel about this specific selection?

22:44

Well, I would like to admit that at first

22:47

I was so confused because the last time I heard Clem

22:49

talking about a book, he was talking about Fifty Shades of Grey,

22:51

which I have neither read nor seen. And

22:53

I say I don't know the characters' names. So when

22:56

I was listening to this for the first time,

22:58

I was like, Amy and Laurie, those are the names

23:01

of the two characters in Fifty Shades

23:03

of Grey. Isn't the guy's name a girl's name

23:05

in Fifty Shades of Grey 2 or is that not correct?

23:08

His name is Christian Grey.

23:10

Okay, so

23:12

I read the whole thing and did not know it was Little,

23:14

or read the whole thing. I listened to the whole thing and didn't know

23:16

that it was Little Women until he outright said it was

23:18

Little Women.

23:21

How do I feel about this choice?

23:23

I don't know. I didn't feel

23:24

anything except for, oh, it's not Fifty Shades of Grey,

23:26

L-O-L. And then I thought of what I always think of

23:28

when I hear Little Women, which is Joey from Friends putting

23:30

it in the freezer because he's so sad. Do

23:34

you remember that? He has my ending, so he

23:36

puts it in the freezer. So

23:40

he makes Rachel read it and

23:43

Rachel makes him read Little

23:45

Women. And he tells Rachel how when he's

23:48

really, really scared, like if you get really scared, what I

23:50

do is I put the book in the freezer when I get really scared.

23:52

He just shuts it in the freezer. And so he reads

23:54

Little Women and then spoilers for Little Women when

23:57

Beth, it's Beth, right? Gets sick.

23:59

He might be yeah, he has

24:01

the book in the freezer

24:04

So Joey, yeah,

24:06

this is a delightful Joey Tribbiani moment

24:09

for My

24:11

heart

24:13

What do you feel about little women in Clem Jenny?

24:16

Never read it. I've

24:18

only watched the adaptation that

24:20

Kirsten Dunst is in

24:24

Did not understand what was happening at any

24:26

point Mm-hmm.

24:28

There's a bunch of little women Also,

24:31

I like it down with a flourish of his whip

24:33

is one of the lines that Clem reads

24:36

Which is I'm realizing like I wasn't all on

24:38

me that I thought that this was 50

24:39

shades of gray

24:41

totally, you

24:42

know Absolutely

24:45

okay, so the Clem is reading this

24:47

book to Anjanka the statue of

24:50

Anjanka and Rahim

24:52

is like I would the stores closed Rahim

24:55

basically just leaves and leaves

24:57

Clem there because he can't anymore

24:59

Kristen would you agree that

25:02

calling someone a girl diminishes their ability

25:04

to turn your genitals in a to a sack of maggots?

25:08

Clem Clem said I

25:11

am here

25:11

to be a

25:13

man who smashes the patriarchy

25:16

Great job, Clem Okay

25:28

Okay, so Anjanka

25:32

Gets inside of Clem's

25:34

head. I like this

25:37

I like that we get this information The

25:40

way that this begins is Clem is continuing

25:42

to read aloud from little women but keeps like getting

25:44

stuck on like syllables Where he'll be like with

25:47

a flourish of his whip

25:51

I like that and I like how Anjanka's

25:54

voice sounds inside of his head.

25:56

Great. I'm on board.

25:59

Yeah, Emma Cauffin

25:59

I have that note, Emma Caulfield's voiceover work

26:02

here, as on Yanka inside of Clem's

26:04

head, is out of this world. The last

26:06

line she has where she's like, you may not

26:08

be my friend, but you're going

26:10

to be. I was like, fuck

26:12

yes! That's so good. So, so good. All

26:16

right, so back to the hospital. Can

26:20

we play the detective Angel Jingle

26:22

is my question because we get an Angelus

26:24

drop here.

26:26

Name drop.

26:27

I'm ready. I'm going to be confused with the naked wet Angel

26:29

drop from. Sure, sure, sure.

26:32

Important

26:35

distinction. Miranda's

26:38

minion recognizes Cordelia,

26:41

used to work for Angelus. You weren't this

26:43

bloodthirsty back then.

26:46

I don't know if I agree. They seem, they

26:48

seem equally bloodthirsty to me, which is

26:50

not much. They're just fighting evil.

26:53

No, they're saying that Cordelia wasn't this

26:55

bloodthirsty

26:56

back then.

26:57

Yeah, but I, but like what I mean is that Cordelia,

27:00

the slayer and Cordelia of the

27:02

Pyperion era, like

27:04

we're fighting evil, you know, like I don't think

27:06

they're bloodthirsty. Bloodthirsty to me

27:09

means like you are seeking out. I guess if you're

27:11

evil, then people

27:14

who are fighting on the side of quote, good

27:16

would appear bloodthirsty to you. It's all about

27:18

perspective.

27:19

Of course. I'm

27:23

like, why does this

27:25

demon or whomest ever recognize

27:29

Cordelia from 10 years ago? There

27:31

wasn't even really Facebook. Like

27:34

people weren't using Facebook a ton. There was definitely

27:36

no Instagram. Like

27:38

what was going on in like 2004? Maybe

27:44

this demon was like, had a thing

27:46

with Doyle

27:47

and so was like really

27:49

fucking jealous of Cordelia and Doyle

27:51

and what they had and then was like really pissed

27:53

when Doyle gave his powers to Cordy.

27:56

Okay, okay, okay.

27:59

In this fight, first

28:02

of all, two things.

28:03

I think we've talked in universe in

28:05

our universe about like

28:07

the

28:09

Venn diagram of slayers and quipping

28:11

and how it seems to just be a

28:13

circle And I just want

28:15

to say that that seems to still be proven true

28:18

in this dimension Cordelia just quipping

28:20

Left and right here. Hope you have insurance

28:22

for that as she fucking throws one of the

28:24

minions through a car window Yeah,

28:27

yep. Yep. The other thing that I noted

28:29

is Spike says he's

28:31

bled on six continents and

28:33

now to me if I had bled

28:36

on six continents You better believe

28:38

I would be going to the seventh continent simply

28:41

to bleed on it so that I can write That

28:43

I had bled on all seven Yeah,

28:46

but Antarctica. I assume and sorry. I am

28:48

the one that he has skipped so

28:50

cold Nothing

28:52

to exsanguinate there. Oh Well,

28:55

they're I mean, there's plenty of wildlife

28:57

and also like if you go at the right moment polar

28:59

bear Yeah, you could find fucking Scully

29:02

and Mulder trying to find it. Yeah, maybe a space

29:04

worm. They actually were The

29:07

other direction Okay

29:13

Another another curiosity of the

29:15

sort of like audio fight thing when

29:17

someone has a deep wound when someone is dealt

29:20

a deep wound we are informed that

29:22

it is a deep wound and what I will

29:24

say is that I did as Famously

29:26

enjoy the sloshing of intestine

29:29

in the last episode. So I thought that was very effective

29:31

Yeah, but like maybe I've just like

29:33

heard enough fights to like really know what I like at

29:35

this point. Yeah

29:37

Cordelia

29:39

gives Miranda a little On

29:44

the back of the head with a baseball bat I guess

29:46

yeah, but she's just unconscious

29:49

with with Slayer strength

29:50

You'd think Miranda would have lost her head.

29:53

So

29:53

this would be control a serious

29:56

amount of control that Cordelia is exerting

29:58

Yeah, I guess I But I would

30:01

think that the goal would have just been to kill

30:03

Miranda, so I'm not sure. I honestly

30:05

thought that she had killed Miranda at first,

30:08

but she very explicitly says,

30:10

like, they had

30:12

to put dialogue in here to let us know that she

30:14

was not

30:15

dead, because I think that would be anyone's assumption.

30:18

Spike is really into

30:21

this. Why don't we... He's

30:24

winded, but it does not

30:26

hold him back in any way.

30:28

Yeah, good.

30:32

Right, so, uh,

30:35

I'm wondering, back in your

30:37

universe, you got anyone special? You

30:40

were trapped in a torrid whirlwind of heartbreak

30:42

with Angel?

30:43

Oh my god, you're kidding, right?

30:45

What?

30:47

You're hitting on me? Right now?

30:49

At this particular moment, you're astonishingly attractive.

30:52

I'd be disappointed in myself if I didn't throw

30:54

down the gauntlet. Well, pick

30:56

it up and put it away.

30:59

Being hot is not my goal. I have good

31:01

genes, okay?

31:03

You really are a different universe as

31:05

Cordelia.

31:06

Let's just go now.

31:08

You know,

31:10

while...

31:12

You know, Cordelia 1.0 from our universe

31:16

probably wouldn't say being hot is not my goal. She

31:19

would if she did say it. Say it just like

31:21

this. I

31:24

know, I actually... It actually

31:26

did not

31:28

land... Like, Spikes, you really are a

31:31

different universe as Cordelia did not

31:33

land for me because of, to

31:35

your point,

31:36

being hot is not my goal. Fine. If

31:39

that's all she said, but she

31:40

doesn't just say that.

31:41

She says, I have good

31:43

genes, okay? She's like, she's saying,

31:45

I know I'm hot. I don't try

31:47

to be. It's just like whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

31:50

She seems exactly like Cordelia of

31:52

our universe.

31:53

Anyway. Okay,

31:56

so up screeches, Clem,

31:58

question mark. In yet another... another one of Clem's

32:01

apparently many antique cars?

32:04

Uh, but he's sounding awfully possessed.

32:07

Hello, Spike. Hello.

32:11

I love that, like, the, this

32:14

is a great, okay, so this is some showing

32:16

not telling. We learn so much

32:18

about Anjanka through how Clem

32:21

is talking to Anjanka in his

32:23

head. Yeah. It's so

32:25

funny, the fact that he is calling her Mistress

32:28

Anjanka and assuring her that he

32:30

does in fact love her, like he's not saying I

32:32

love you so much, he's saying yes I do love you.

32:35

Fantastic. Yeah, yeah. Fantastic.

32:38

Uh, and apparently, uh, Clem has arrived

32:41

to deliver the message that Anjanka would

32:43

like Spike to reverse the paralysis

32:45

spell or she is going to

32:48

smoosh Clem's brain inside

32:50

his noggin. She said

32:52

it, she said it meaner than that and

32:54

with profanity. James Leary.

32:57

Yeah, really fucking killing it.

32:59

Um, alright, so we go to

33:01

the car which is getting closer and

33:04

closer to Sunnydale. Um,

33:07

and Anya is playing the William Tell

33:09

Overture.

33:09

Was

33:11

this already something you were familiar with, Joni?

33:12

Everything I learned I learned from reading the script

33:14

and then doing some cursory googling.

33:16

Um, I have heard the William Tell Overture

33:19

before. Like the

33:20

actual over- I had not heard the overture

33:22

nor heard the words William Tell Overture.

33:25

That's where I was coming from.

33:26

Yeah, I feel like this came

33:29

into my awareness at some point during band in

33:31

elementary school or junior high or

33:33

something. I like did my, oh

33:35

I'm gonna learn about this and yada yada and I

33:37

fucking googled like what's William Tell about?

33:40

And the synopsis was

33:40

like 40 pages long so I have no idea because

33:43

I can't read that much

33:44

for a synopsis, just tell me. Um,

33:47

but the William Tell Overture which we learned later

33:49

has been I guess adapted. I

33:52

don't know

33:52

if that's the right word to

33:54

use but has been used in other things

33:57

notably the theme song to the Lone Ranger

33:59

which-

33:59

we'll hear Indira talk about later.

34:01

Yes.

34:03

And so Anya saw this

34:05

opera performed opening night.

34:08

Yeah, so I mean this because

34:10

we've only really

34:11

understood Anya as a witch,

34:13

but we learn now from this dialogue

34:15

that Anya of

34:17

the alternate reality has

34:20

a similar story to Anya of our reality

34:22

because she certainly was human at

34:24

some point, but if she was going to this opera in the

34:26

1800s, then something happened

34:28

along the way.

34:31

Yeah,

34:32

I wonder

34:35

what's going to happen.

34:38

Some rewrite, I think some rewriting.

34:41

We talked about the fact that we thought it was wild that

34:43

the magic box was still standing, but

34:45

in this episode we hear Indira

34:48

say, you thought they joke

34:50

about a giant sinkhole swallowing half of Sunnydale

34:52

and I'm like half? Let's

34:55

roll back the footage. Roll

34:58

tape of the end

35:00

of the series finale. Even

35:03

the sign goes in. It

35:07

also made me realize in this conversation

35:09

where they were like, so where's the magic box? Well, if it's

35:11

where my magic box was, I was like, wait, so

35:14

no one in this car has literally ever

35:17

been to Sunnydale. Like they were like, okay, Team Sunnydale

35:19

is you two who've never been there ever

35:21

in your lives

35:22

go. Yeah, yeah. Maybe

35:24

please take a two to three hour

35:27

field trip to a place you've never been.

35:29

I find this, although it's I

35:32

guess it stands to reason that it would be in the same spot.

35:34

Like there's a decent chance it would be in the same spot. Right.

35:37

There is a like a sort of double

35:41

entendre, your

35:43

magic box, my magic box thing

35:46

that I would like to unsubscribe from. Also,

35:50

it's funny to me because it's Indira who's

35:52

giggling at it. But like again,

35:54

I only have the brain of a 42 year old, but

35:57

I would think that it would be the 42 year

35:59

old brain. who would make this joke, not the 16

36:02

year old. Gen Z, if

36:04

you're, is it even Gen Z if you're 16 now? What

36:06

are you? Gen

36:08

negative Z? Gen Z squared? If

36:11

you were 16 and listening to this, could you please

36:13

tell us if you would

36:15

make a magic box double entendre

36:17

joke? It just seems like a mom joke at

36:19

this point to me.

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38:51

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38:56

vibe with how many times

38:58

we hear that Anya and Tara were

39:01

not actually dating

39:04

or kissing or having any kind of feelings for each

39:06

other except for being friends. It

39:08

is, okay.

39:11

I could definitely understand why

39:14

that read could be a thing.

39:18

I felt that it was perhaps maybe just like

39:20

a one iteration too

39:23

many. Yeah.

39:25

Because we kind of hear it from different people

39:28

at different times, the

39:29

talking to other different people in

39:31

various universes. It

39:34

feels like maybe just like a thing that if

39:38

it was reiterated like perhaps one time

39:40

less, it wouldn't quite feel the

39:42

way that it feels. I agree, I agree. I think

39:45

there's two occurrences inside of this episode,

39:47

and it

39:48

really is like when it comes around

39:50

again, you're like, perhaps the ladies

39:52

doth protest too much. Like why

39:54

are we saying it this many times? Okay.

39:58

We learn that.

39:59

Tara turns dark,

40:02

Anya's telling Indira about this and Indira

40:05

name checks willow. Oh here in our universe

40:07

it was willow. She's the one who went

40:09

to the dark side of magic

40:10

in our reality. Right,

40:12

right, right, right, right.

40:13

Also it is, um, supposed

40:17

that Drusilla must be quote very

40:19

good at quote what

40:22

she does. Which

40:26

Anya would know nothing about because Anya actually

40:28

is straight, thank you very much. Yeah,

40:32

they're just best friends actually.

40:36

Okay speaking of best friends actually

40:39

let's go to the

40:41

other reality into Tara's

40:44

room. Tara right now

40:46

is talking to Mr. Pickles

40:48

and

40:51

this is a moment that I have in

40:53

my notes like there's a lot of telling here

40:56

and I wish that Mr. Pickles

40:58

could talk a little bit you know like I kind

41:00

of wish there could be dialogue so that the

41:03

character of Tara didn't have to sort of like

41:05

restate the question. A lot of when

41:07

I when I was making videos like

41:10

in

41:10

another chapter of my

41:11

life and I would be talking to like an interviewer

41:13

they would always say like I'm gonna ask you

41:15

the question and then you just repeat the question

41:17

in your answer in case we don't use like me asking

41:20

the question and I feel like that's a lot of the vibe in

41:22

this scene between Pickles and Tara.

41:25

But

41:28

we learned that Tara has tracked Anya and Cordelia

41:31

and she's not telling Drusilla

41:34

because again this

41:37

interesting story here where

41:40

she's evil but she's not that evil.

41:43

Yeah

41:44

and

41:47

whether or not that is because

41:49

the sort of like original

41:51

flavor Tara that is still a presence

41:54

inside of her is like balancing

41:58

out the darkness or not We

42:01

don't know yet. But

42:04

we do find out that Kurgan's

42:06

magic from Kurgan's grimoire is

42:08

like poison and is

42:11

the thing that casting from

42:13

the grimoire is the thing that has rendered

42:17

Terra

42:19

slipping into the darkness. Yeah,

42:22

and in order, so every

42:24

time that Terra is using the

42:26

grimoire,

42:29

she has to drain the magic

42:31

from another

42:32

witch to continue

42:34

forward.

42:35

So this is important, this is

42:37

important information that we're learning. Yeah,

42:39

the grimoire drains the magic out of Terra, and then

42:42

Terra can drain magic out of other witches

42:46

so that she can then be funneling that magic back into

42:48

the grimoire in order to keep working

42:50

out of it. I'm interested. I like

42:52

this invention. Yeah, and I'm interested

42:55

to, I'm hoping that we get a chance to talk

42:57

to Amber in this run. And

43:01

like obviously there's a lot that we would love to talk to Amber

43:03

about, but I'm really curious Jenny, about

43:05

how much of Amber's experience navigating

43:08

through worlds of witchcraft. She's written

43:10

a fictional series on witchcraft.

43:13

I think I recently saw that she did like

43:15

a Hollywood tour of notable

43:16

witch locations that they put her in

43:18

charge of. So I'm really wondering

43:20

some of what she pulled inspiration

43:22

from for this

43:25

Kurgan stuff. Later we get this

43:27

book that talks about ley lines, which I

43:30

had never heard of before and I did a little

43:32

reading on. So I'm curious

43:34

about what she pulled

43:36

in deliberately from her

43:39

own practices and her own knowledge.

43:41

Yeah, Drew's eavesdropping.

43:44

I mean that's

43:46

why you don't talk out loud to your friggin' monkey.

43:50

The chances are Drew is keeping a secret

43:52

from your evil partner. And

43:55

she says at one point like, I'm really glad you can't talk

43:57

Mr. Pickles. And I'm like, listen, don't

43:59

put I did past Pickles, okay? Like Pickles

44:02

seems like exactly the kind of monkey guy that

44:04

would figure out a way to communicate your secrets to somebody,

44:07

okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay,

44:10

so in this exchange we find out, aha,

44:12

that was actually Drusilla who tricked

44:15

Terra into using the grimoire to begin with.

44:18

And then,

44:19

Kristen, who? Oh.

44:24

There's some pillow

44:26

talk. Uh, look.

44:29

I am not fit to comment

44:32

upon. Let me show you how much

44:34

I hate you, says Terra. Sound effects

44:36

call for some caressing. Drusilla,

44:39

oh, that's very nice. Sound effects call for

44:42

passionate kissing. Terra, breathless.

44:44

Oh, I hate you all right. So

44:47

much, I'll hate you all night.

44:49

Jenny, is this your business? Oh,

44:51

my goodness. Is this my business?

44:54

Is this?

44:55

I don't think this is any of our

44:57

collective business. Something.

45:03

But Drew, Drew catches on. Drew

45:05

knows all of a sudden that she's being

45:08

deliberately distracted and brings

45:12

an end to things. Ah,

45:15

turned out, oh, do do,

45:16

do, do, do, do, do, do, do.

45:19

To make it so that the sun will

45:21

no longer be dangerous to vampires. And

45:24

the whole world will be Drusilla's playground.

45:27

And Kristin, I scream, Drusilla

45:30

famously loves the playground, as

45:32

you well know. As I well know, for

45:34

many episodes of Buffering the Vampire Slayer

45:37

of yesteryear, I sang, this used

45:39

to be Drew's playground. And

45:41

I sang it to myself when I read this. I was so

45:43

happy. I pictured her amongst

45:45

the iconic

45:48

Sunnydale swing set. Definitely

45:50

has two swings and one of those spinny

45:52

things where you just whip your friend around until

45:54

they feel sick, you know? Uh-huh, uh-huh,

45:57

uh-huh.

45:57

Yeah, I was so excited. I, in my

45:59

notes.

45:59

I screamed it and on the

46:01

script I wrote an all caps to Drew's playground

46:04

exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation

46:06

point. Yes, yes, yes.

46:09

Okay.

46:10

Okay, so Kurgan apparently had

46:13

most of the sunlight spell worked out. Terra's

46:15

trying to finish it. Good

46:18

Terra from deep

46:20

in the recesses of Dark Terra

46:23

is like, no.

46:25

Yeah. And then

46:27

a distraction, another

46:30

distraction besides hating

46:34

her all night is happened

46:36

upon there was a crown that

46:38

you're still a one saw in Copenhagen

46:40

and that has become shiny.

46:47

Terra said something about the sunlight spell that

46:49

made me

46:50

really get to thinking. She says if I'm

46:52

ready, if I do it wrong, I

46:54

could burn every vampire on Earth to cinders and

46:57

I thought well, if this is true, why are

46:59

there not folks working in the opposite

47:01

direction on this spell? Because

47:05

don't you think all the slayers of the world could

47:07

just sit down? They could get a beer. They could,

47:09

they can just take a deep breath. If

47:12

you get them ribs. Yeah. Yeah.

47:14

Or is it complicated because if every vampire

47:17

dies, then like Angel would die and Spike

47:19

would die.

47:20

Yeah, we don't want to lose. Oh

47:22

no.

47:25

Anyway, we leave

47:27

this scene.

47:27

I do want to say that Drusilla

47:29

when Terra says that she could make,

47:32

she doesn't spell wrong. She might burn every vampire

47:34

alive and Drusilla says on

47:36

my sad days. I think I might like it.

47:39

I fucking love Drusilla so much. I can't stand

47:41

it. We

47:44

go back to the magic box. Okay.

47:48

Anya doesn't believe that Indira has

47:49

ever been tortured.

47:52

And Indira is like, oh before now you mean? Which

47:55

I love. And then there is an exchange about.

48:00

A few things. Indira's

48:03

grandfather loves

48:06

the Lone Ranger, and that's why Indira

48:08

knows the William Tell Overture, right? Yeah.

48:12

And

48:13

you know what else? Anya is known

48:15

for her bluntness and sexual appetite.

48:17

Give her her fucking jingle.

48:22

She's spent one millennium,

48:24

demonically vengeance-ing, face

48:27

of mind and then some, you know she's mine. She

48:29

loves to hold the money for it.

48:38

She loves to keep the money

48:40

for it. Anya.

48:47

Love to hear that Anya's in all

48:49

dimensions

48:50

are known for their bluntness and their sexual

48:52

appetite and also get their idioms all

48:54

wrong all the time. I love that

48:56

as their core personality traits.

48:59

They're not having any luck finding the book

49:01

that Anya needs, and Indira suggests

49:04

that they maybe should look for it in a place that

49:06

it shouldn't be. And

49:11

we discover that if vampires touch

49:13

the grimoire, they explode. Just picture

49:15

like Tara just like tossing

49:18

the grimoire in a gensil, being like, touch. Again,

49:23

why are we not giving our slayers the

49:25

grimoire to simply bat the

49:27

vamp- it would be

49:28

so much easier if we could just- Bat a fucking vampire.

49:32

Instead of with a baseball bat. We

49:35

also learn in this exchange that

49:38

Anya still does not trust

49:40

bunnies. That's another core personality trait. Jasper

49:43

is dreaming

49:43

during this scene. We hear him like little dog snoring,

49:46

and she says to Indira he's probably dreaming

49:48

about chasing bunnies. And simply by

49:51

the way that Emma Caulfield pronounces

49:53

the word bunnies, we gather

49:55

that this Anya doesn't like bunnies.

49:58

No love lost.

49:58

Nope.

49:59

Um, also

50:02

they're looking for a book called

50:05

Houston's Atlas of Ley Lines and

50:07

Megalith. This is what made me look up

50:09

what a Ley Line is. I, I do want

50:11

to say that I need more time

50:14

to do this research, but I'm just going to read to you, Jenny. Do

50:16

you know what a Ley Line is? I don't.

50:18

And I would like to please. I'm just going to read

50:20

you the first paragraph from Wikipedia. That is how surface

50:23

this, this research is. Okay. But Ley

50:25

Lines are straight alignments drawn

50:27

between various historic structures,

50:30

prehistoric sites, and prominent landmarks. The

50:32

idea was developed in the early 20th

50:35

century in Europe with Ley Line

50:37

believers arguing that these alignments

50:39

were recognized by ancient societies

50:42

that deliberately erected structures

50:44

along them. Since the nine,

50:46

I know since the 1960s, members

50:48

of the earth mysteries movement and other

50:51

esoteric traditions have

50:53

commonly believed that such Ley

50:54

Lines demarcate earth energies

50:57

and serve as guides for, wait

50:59

for it, alien spacecraft. Fucking

51:02

crossover episode. Archaeologists

51:08

and scientists regard Ley Lines as

51:10

an example of pseudo archaeology

51:13

and pseudoscience.

51:15

Sounds like I'm fucking Mulder and Scully conversation

51:17

in that paragraph to me. Clearly

51:22

more to learn about Ley Lines than

51:24

simply

51:24

that first paragraph, but

51:26

if you didn't know, now you know a little

51:27

bit and you can go do your digging on your own and

51:30

know that somewhere in the world, Kristen and Jenny are doing

51:32

theirs as well.

51:34

That's right. Okay. So

51:36

hanging out in the magic box.

51:38

Somebody's going

51:40

to mention Giles and the

51:43

way he cleaned his glasses and stressful

51:45

situations and that's going to make

51:48

Endear remember Spike

51:50

saying something about some kind of trap

51:52

door from the magic

51:54

box to Giles' home.

52:01

Yeah, it's convenient. I mean, it's

52:03

convenient, but also it makes

52:06

sense. Yeah, I like this.

52:09

I like this convenience. I like the...

52:11

I'm here for it. The Anya

52:14

original flavor was on the lease

52:16

at the original Magic Box. Therefore,

52:19

this Anya can scoot through. I love

52:21

the reasoning that Indira can also make it. She

52:23

just has to be real close to Anya behind her. I'm absolutely

52:26

here for all of this. Yeah!

52:29

Jasper... Good boy! Jasper

52:32

sniffs out the traffic. Sniffing out the tweed.

52:36

Yes! And

52:36

whoosh!

52:37

Off they fucking go to

52:40

Fairweather Books. That's the name of it. Fairweather

52:43

Books. Of course. If you were to name Giles' bookstore,

52:45

would you not

52:46

have named it Fairweather Books?

52:48

It's perfect.

52:49

I love that everyone in this story

52:52

is just fucking all the time. They're

52:59

like, YOLO! It's

53:01

dangerous to,

53:04

you know, operate or

53:07

even retire from the magical

53:09

world. Get it while

53:11

it's hot. I have but one

53:13

life to live. Honestly,

53:17

I would have been... There are

53:19

plenty of scenes where people are

53:21

smooching and having

53:23

sex where I'm like, okay, that's fine. This

53:26

one, if they were not talking about the sex

53:28

that they had just had, I would have

53:30

been mad, Jenny. I wanted this deeply

53:33

in my heart. Yes. I

53:35

heard this scene and I called Kittery Town

53:37

Hall and said, I would like to register

53:40

for a permit to hold a parade

53:42

on the

53:44

earliest available date that you have. Please

53:47

let me know. The paperwork

53:49

I need to file, the fees I need to pay. I'm

53:52

very pleased and I need to have

53:54

a parade about it immediately. Can

53:56

you just file to have a parade?

53:59

I don't know.

53:59

like what if you could like what if we could file to have

54:02

a Buffy parade like like what if we could just

54:04

do that

54:05

okay we'll deal with

54:08

this later um okay so

54:12

the this scene we opened with the sound

54:15

clip where they all get there okay so we'll

54:17

talk about that in a second but I did think it

54:19

was really cool that this scene opened almost

54:21

identically to how we saw Anya

54:23

for the first time in the alternate

54:26

reality is like they're in the bookstore

54:28

a customer who's a pain in the ass in some

54:30

ways on the other end yammering

54:32

about they're both so annoyed the

54:35

love that I have for Giles and Anya as a

54:37

pairing like just a fucking

54:39

Buffy verse pairing is so deep

54:41

that I thought it was really cool that

54:44

they've been aligned in this way before

54:46

Anya even blows

54:47

into fair weather books

54:50

also Jenny I've said fair weather

54:52

books so many times that I'm like wait is

54:54

it called a fair weather book because you

54:55

know when you call somebody a fair weather friend it

54:57

means like they'll like leave you and

54:59

you need the most or whatever yep in

55:02

what a bad weather yeah like

55:04

what if it's fucking also like a little

55:06

fucking burn at Giles season

55:08

six who just fucking up and fucking laughs

55:11

and probably bought this

55:13

book

55:13

shop only to come back to it later

55:15

and retire from

55:16

his life of magic

55:18

um here's the thing am

55:21

I to understand the impression that I

55:23

get from listening

55:26

is that Anya

55:28

Indira and

55:30

Jasper come through this portal

55:33

into Giles and Olivia's

55:36

that that that bedroom no

55:39

no no

55:41

Jenny I'm so excited to be

55:43

the one to explain this to you wait wait wait wait

55:45

wait wait let me try again are

55:48

they fucking on the couch yeah they're

55:50

fucking in the bookstore Jenny they fucked

55:52

in the bookstore wait

55:53

do they have a bedroom or

55:55

did they just live in the bookstore I think they

55:57

have a bedroom but I imagine honestly Olivia

56:00

seems like the kind of person who would get up early

56:02

with Giles like earlier like it's like 8 a.m.

56:04

right now they probably get up at 6 a.m.

56:06

to like have their tea and like

56:08

deal with all of the before opening stuff together

56:11

and maybe more often than not when they get

56:13

down to the books they just can't stand it I mean books

56:15

smell delicious and then they just fuck

56:18

I'm so happy for them and like honestly

56:20

I hope they have the kind of relationship where

56:22

like it happened once and they were in like

56:25

you know like the G

56:27

authors

56:27

and they were like you know what we should do

56:30

let's make our way through all the fucking letters of the alphabet

56:32

and so like one by one they're

56:35

not gonna let me amend my statement to say I'm

56:37

so happy for them but also I would not

56:39

like to shop

56:41

in a bookstore where the proprietors

56:44

are

56:44

banging throughout the

56:46

staff

56:50

I disagree I would love to shop in that bookstore

56:52

okay you were actually Brooklyn

56:54

or maybe it's in Manhattan I can't remember

56:56

which borough but they just opened a bookstore that

56:58

is they only sell romance novels

57:01

which I think is so much so

57:04

anyway okay we've really gotten out there's too

57:06

many bookstores too much fucking we've gotten off

57:08

the beat okay

57:12

so on yet that

57:16

we opened with is we opened with it because I

57:18

think it's so funny that like Giles is

57:20

like you're dead and she's like well where I come

57:22

from you're fucking dead like you're dead

57:24

and they explain

57:27

and Deera explains

57:30

sort of like but she's a new player and

57:32

they need his help just one

57:35

more time just one more apocalypse

57:37

Giles he's

57:39

like I'm not in that line of work anymore a

57:43

world weary Olivia is like

57:45

all the 10 steps ahead of him is like

57:48

ladies

57:48

please sit I made tea

57:51

yeah we will figure it out and then Giles

57:54

says okay Giles says

57:56

bollocks

57:58

but the thing is that

58:01

Giles does not say bollocks. Giles

58:03

says

58:04

bloody hell. Bikes says bollocks.

58:07

You're right. But if anyone can find an instance

58:09

of Giles saying bollocks for me in

58:12

a single episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, I would like to

58:14

know about it. Because I could be wrong

58:16

and I'm open to the possibility that I'm wrong. You

58:18

sound very right to me. I

58:21

just feel this just

58:23

rang as not Giles-ian to me. Yeah,

58:26

yeah. I support that. I'll

58:28

write it in as he didn't

58:31

ever say this except for then he was roommates with

58:33

Spike for a while and so then he said it like every

58:35

once in a while. Oh, totally. I

58:37

was left over from when they were roommates. I

58:41

love the continuity of like, Olivia

58:46

left, right? Hush. Hush

58:48

is when Olivia said, I cannot fucking do

58:50

this. Like, correct. I love to make

58:52

out with you. You are really hot.

58:55

You are very cool. I cannot fucking

58:57

wake up and look out the window to a floating gentleman

59:00

outside of the fuck. No, no, no. And

59:02

honestly, fucking

59:03

same. So I love that.

59:05

He's right to say it. I love

59:07

the continuity of the fact that he

59:10

is with Olivia and seemingly

59:12

specifically is not

59:15

doing this work anymore. That feels like it

59:17

is written into their agreement as

59:19

a couple.

59:21

I love it.

59:25

All right. So back to

59:27

Clem Yanka over here.

59:29

Clem Yanka. Okay. So Onyanka

59:32

is going to end. I quote,

59:32

splooch

59:34

Clem's brains out through his eye sockets.

59:37

If the spell is not reversed to

59:39

make matters

59:40

more complicated. Miranda shows up,

59:43

but she like on the side is like, Hey guys,

59:45

I'll feed on Onyanka because

59:48

I am hungry. I'm always hungry. I have

59:50

long to feed. They're

59:52

arguing about it. Clem is like, please no splooching.

59:54

I'm a really cool, fun guy. They

59:58

try it. Anjanka's

1:00:00

like, get off me, you bitch.

1:00:03

Uh, once Miranda's feeding.

1:00:05

So embarrassed before she said, you bitch. Uh, and then

1:00:07

Miranda turns on Spike because

1:00:08

she's like, I could never trust you.

1:00:11

You

1:00:16

betrayed all of evil, kind, et cetera, et cetera,

1:00:18

et cetera. But Kristen, Clem,

1:00:21

do you remember in season seven when

1:00:23

Spike takes the potentials on a little tour

1:00:25

of Demonville and

1:00:28

Clem does a thing with his face

1:00:30

that we do not ever see the front of and don't ever want to see the front

1:00:32

of? Yes. Um,

1:00:34

I feel like that is what he's doing right

1:00:37

before he bites Miranda's head

1:00:39

clean off huge Natalie

1:00:42

French energy. Why do I feel like this is

1:00:44

not the first time that I've spent huge

1:00:46

Natalie French energy

1:00:48

on a coverage of this audio series? Yeah.

1:00:50

I mean, in the career that you've entered, I'm sure you've said

1:00:52

that phrase many times. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1:00:54

yeah.

1:00:55

Yeah. Do you think it's like a jaw on hinging

1:00:58

thing, right? Like, like jaw

1:01:00

sort of like unhooks to,

1:01:02

uh, wrap

1:01:04

its

1:01:04

way around whatever needs

1:01:07

doing. Um,

1:01:09

I'm here for it. I'm fucking here for it. You

1:01:11

know, I love a demon who's sweetest shit

1:01:14

and fucking loves grape soda and fucking bugles

1:01:16

and also can bite the head off of anyone

1:01:18

who goes near his best friend Spike.

1:01:22

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. On

1:01:24

Yanka, meanwhile, senses on you going

1:01:26

through the portal and has like, gotta

1:01:28

go. I have sensed the

1:01:31

rest of me, the other me, my light

1:01:34

shadow, whatever she's thinking about on. Yeah. She's

1:01:36

like, I gotta go.

1:01:39

And Spike

1:01:41

come

1:01:43

Cordelia

1:01:44

figure out pretty quick what must have happened. Spike

1:01:48

says the phrase Willow Rosenberg

1:01:51

and I have decided, Kristen. Yeah. That

1:01:53

when anyone says Willow

1:01:55

Rosenberg. Yeah. If you're

1:01:57

listening,

1:01:58

you have to drink.

1:01:59

Great. Do you think there's something

1:02:02

happening here because

1:02:04

why do they have to they say her last

1:02:06

name every single time?

1:02:09

I don't think every single time, but it has been more

1:02:11

than once for sure. Yeah, it's weird. It

1:02:13

doesn't like it. I'm just wondering

1:02:15

if there's some like rights thing or something like

1:02:18

something that we don't know

1:02:19

about because it doesn't make

1:02:21

sense to me otherwise.

1:02:24

Jenny, you said

1:02:26

a lot of really important things, very important to the plot

1:02:29

line, but you left out the fact that Cordelia

1:02:32

calls on Yanka Fuggly. And

1:02:34

I would really like to talk about that for a moment

1:02:36

because listen, we don't like

1:02:39

when people call each other names. We don't

1:02:41

like when the appearance of

1:02:43

anyone is commented on. But guys,

1:02:46

the term Fuggly, come on

1:02:48

now. The combination of the words Fuggly

1:02:50

and ugly, we just, it's just

1:02:52

good. Okay. I don't don't think

1:02:54

you should go calling people Fuggly,

1:02:56

but as a general word, Chris Amuso

1:02:58

gives it a fucking 10 out of 10.

1:03:00

Fuggly. Brings me right back in 1994.

1:03:04

It's often been said, Kristen, that this girl

1:03:06

is the nastiest skank bitch I've ever met.

1:03:09

Do not trust her. She is a Fuggly

1:03:11

slut. It's

1:03:14

just good. It just feels good

1:03:16

to say. Okay. That's all I'm saying. So yeah,

1:03:22

Anyanka fucking ditched Cordy

1:03:24

because she had to go find

1:03:27

her soul sister Anya. And

1:03:31

okay,

1:03:33

I'm picturing Anya singing

1:03:35

and doing a little sort of like swinging, snapping

1:03:38

elbow dance to Hey Soul Sister by

1:03:40

Trina. And

1:03:42

it is somehow making what I find

1:03:44

to be an absolutely unbearable, abhorrent

1:03:47

piece of music somehow feel

1:03:50

not so bad. Yeah. I mean, I think Anya has

1:03:52

that power. Don't you feel like Anya could be a big

1:03:54

train fan? Yeah, I do actually. I agree. By the way,

1:03:56

I'm so sorry to all of you.

1:03:59

the light beer drinkers, there was like a

1:04:02

revolt against me

1:04:03

because I... Oh yeah, what did we say about light

1:04:05

beer? You were guessing what

1:04:07

Buffy would drink and you said light beer and

1:04:09

I was like, how dare you? And

1:04:11

I would like to say for the record that I said

1:04:13

I would drink all of the things on this

1:04:16

list. I just didn't feel like they were what

1:04:18

Buffy would drink, especially if Cordie was having a whiskey,

1:04:20

but you know, light beer drinkers

1:04:23

are gonna be light beer drinkers. Chrissy herself drinks a

1:04:25

light beer. I do. I do. Regularly.

1:04:29

I do. Um, Anjanka

1:04:31

says England to

1:04:33

Cordelia, which is how the rest of the gang

1:04:35

pieces this together. Right.

1:04:37

England.

1:04:39

And now

1:04:41

we know that Anya and

1:04:44

Indira are with Giles and Olivia

1:04:46

at Fairweather Books and Anjanka

1:04:49

can simply poof her fucking self

1:04:52

wherever the fuck she needs to poof to. So

1:04:54

dun dun dun, better play episode

1:04:56

four and find out what the fuck is gonna happen.

1:05:00

Yeah, I can't wait. I'm

1:05:05

so excited that Clem bit somebody's head off. I

1:05:07

love this for Clem. I love

1:05:09

this. Spike loves this for Clem. Spike is

1:05:11

like almost just turned on by Clem biting off

1:05:14

Miranda's head as he was by Cordelia. Fucking

1:05:17

Spike is ready to actually admit that they are best

1:05:19

friends. And Spike also just like

1:05:22

maybe needs to have sex with someone pretty soon.

1:05:24

It feels like, oh, gosh. Yeah. OK.

1:05:29

OK,

1:05:29

Kristen, what was your favorite audio in

1:05:32

this episode? All right. Admittedly, I forgot to

1:05:34

pick one, but then I read. No,

1:05:36

but I went back through my notes trying

1:05:39

to remember all of the sound

1:05:41

clips. And I believe it actually is the

1:05:44

sound of Clem

1:05:45

biting Miranda's head off. I think I

1:05:47

have a memory of really appreciating that

1:05:50

sound. Nice. And what about

1:05:52

you, Jenny?

1:05:53

Sort of the inverse of what you

1:05:56

picked. The sound of Onyanka's voice

1:05:58

inside Clem's head. Nice.

1:05:59

Yeah, and that really was incredible.

1:06:02

It would seem that we have nowhere left to look

1:06:05

in this episode except directly into

1:06:08

The currently empty but not for

1:06:10

long trophy cabinet of this

1:06:12

episode's sexual attention awards

1:06:23

Christian Christian Christian consider

1:06:26

if you If you don't

1:06:28

mind Four slots

1:06:31

eight noms, I guess

1:06:33

Six

1:06:35

individuals and two concepts

1:06:36

what

1:06:38

we have on offer today She

1:06:43

can't help it that she has good genes

1:06:46

and he can't help it that he is aroused

1:06:48

when a woman kicks a whole bunch of ass

1:06:52

Consider if you will Cordelia and spike.

1:06:55

I really

1:06:55

beg you to consider it. Yeah

1:06:56

consider it

1:06:58

in spot number two Our

1:07:02

first entity and concept pairing

1:07:05

of today Can't

1:07:09

get enough of everyone's trauma

1:07:13

sorrow and general

1:07:16

sort of upset This

1:07:19

is what we have here is Miranda

1:07:22

and despair your despair my despair despair

1:07:26

at large Whatever despair you prefer

1:07:29

She'll take anything she can get honestly that

1:07:31

the sound vet seemed like the least of my

1:07:33

business of all the sounds in this episode Was the sounds

1:07:36

that Miranda made while feeding off

1:07:37

of on yonka? Okay? I was like whoa This

1:07:43

is a family

1:07:48

Speaking of things that aren't our business

1:07:51

Oh My

1:07:54

goodness heavens to

1:07:57

Betsy and so on number three we have drusilla

1:07:59

and

1:08:01

in hard, hard,

1:08:02

hard quotes, the hardest

1:08:04

of all possible quotes, being

1:08:06

hated. You said hard. Consilla

1:08:09

and being hated. Like

1:08:12

it was already

1:08:13

a lot, but you said hard like 40

1:08:15

times before you even finished the pairing.

1:08:19

And it's lot number four, the gentleman's

1:08:22

choice. The only real choice

1:08:24

in my opinion in today's contest,

1:08:27

something we've been waiting for for

1:08:30

nigh on 20 something years.

1:08:33

It's Giles and

1:08:35

Olivia. Come on, be a pal.

1:08:38

Giles and Olivia. I mean, honestly. They've

1:08:40

waited so long. We've waited so long.

1:08:44

I will eat my hat if

1:08:47

these

1:08:47

two don't win because there's simply

1:08:49

no way.

1:08:50

Okay, now I don't want them to win because I want you to

1:08:53

have to eat your

1:08:55

hat. I just picked the hat.

1:08:58

All right. Well, I

1:09:00

think we did it, Jenny.

1:09:06

I feel like, okay, good closing. I

1:09:09

think we did. But this does feel

1:09:11

like sort of in line with the STAs. I

1:09:14

feel like this episode of

1:09:16

the three that I've listened to so far was

1:09:18

the one that like was if I

1:09:20

was ranking all three, this would be in the spot

1:09:23

number three for me. And I think I'm realizing

1:09:25

it's because I feel like overstimulated. There's

1:09:28

like a lot of sex. There's a lot of punching.

1:09:31

There's a lot of

1:09:33

sort of like exposition that we need to like, you

1:09:35

know, get to the next steps for everyone's

1:09:37

past. So it's like a lot going on. Yeah.

1:09:40

Yeah. There's a lot going on. And

1:09:42

I'm a simple guy. I'm really excited to work

1:09:45

our way through all nine episodes

1:09:47

because, you know, right now we're sort of like,

1:09:49

okay, you know, we're getting this information and that

1:09:51

information and this information. And I can't really

1:09:54

from inside of episode three say,

1:09:56

I wonder maybe that was a little bit too much of

1:09:58

this story or two, because you don't.

1:09:59

where they're gonna go and you don't know what they're setting

1:10:02

up now. And so I'm really

1:10:04

excited when we get to talk about all nine as

1:10:06

one story. And

1:10:09

from there kind of assess

1:10:12

things. But for now, I guess

1:10:15

we'll just see what happens at the Fairweather

1:10:17

Books location next episode.

1:10:21

I can't.

1:10:22

Wait, people are probably gonna stop having time to

1:10:25

have sex moving forward. Yeah,

1:10:26

no time, there's gonna be no time for that. Gotta

1:10:28

get a lot of that out of the way for the first

1:10:30

three episodes. But they always say, you know. It's starting to make

1:10:32

sense for me. In writers rooms all the time. If

1:10:34

they're gonna bang, they just gotta be in the first three episodes.

1:10:36

Otherwise they're never gonna bang. They're not gonna have any time to bang.

1:10:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:10:44

Sexual attention, oh.

1:10:48

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1:10:50

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