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. I

1:03

am so excited to have Theresa on the

1:05

show . I recently got to meet her and chat

1:08

with her and it's been such an honor

1:10

. So please tell us who you are , what you do , where you're

1:12

from .

1:14

Thank you so much for having me on , and you're right , we

1:16

got on a conversation and we were like we

1:18

need to continue this somewhere , so I am

1:20

so grateful that you've had me on the podcast . So

1:23

, as you already said , I'm Theresa Heath Waring

1:25

and I am based over in the UK . I'm

1:27

kind of in the middle of England , and I work

1:30

online with business owners not

1:32

specifically online business owners

1:34

which predominantly tend to be female , just

1:36

because I tend to attract more of a female audience

1:38

and I help them to create a

1:41

life and business that they dream of , which

1:43

, whenever I say that always makes me feel a little

1:45

bit like you is that spammy , horrible

1:47

stuff ? And it really isn't . It's

1:49

about getting them

1:51

to understand what is important with them

1:54

, what's important to their world , what season

1:56

of life they are in and therefore

1:58

, what business do they want right

2:00

now that's going to fit with them , and

2:03

I do this through various different ways

2:05

. I have a membership , I have

2:07

a small group coaching program and then I have

2:09

one-to-one work where we

2:11

do all sorts of different things around marketing

2:13

. That's my background and then business

2:16

, and then in the last sort of five years

2:18

, I've really got into mindfulness

2:21

and mindset work and coaching

2:23

. So now I focus a

2:26

lot around that because , like

2:28

you will probably know , it

2:30

all comes down to a mindset

2:32

I can give you the best marketing strategies in

2:34

the world and if you don't

2:36

want to do it , or if you're scared , or if you don't

2:38

think you are the right person for it you

2:40

have imposter syndrome then you're not going to

2:43

do it . So for me , I found

2:45

out that's going to say quickly . I didn't find

2:47

out quickly . It took me a while to work so

2:49

I actually , mindset was so important , and

2:52

that's what I do with my amazing

2:54

members .

2:55

It is . You're so right about

2:57

that and I love that it's not cheeky

3:00

sounding like at all , because

3:02

I used to say that all the time too , I'm like

3:04

because it's important . I know there

3:06

are people out there that feel like this has to

3:08

be like so straight

3:11

and narrow and professional

3:14

and like a very particular way

3:16

it needs to look and feel . But

3:18

for women , I feel like it's very different

3:21

. It's very different . It kind of needs

3:23

to have that part that tugs at our heart

3:25

and our soul and

3:27

like what we love to do , and so definitely

3:30

building something you love is

3:32

so important , I think , as women

3:34

for sure .

3:36

I think so and I think when we

3:38

look at , maybe , people who when

3:41

, especially when I first got into the industry , it

3:43

was mostly males , it was all males saying

3:46

this is how you should live your business , this is how you should live your life

3:48

, this is what you should do , and it's like run

3:50

a home with children and

3:53

have to do all those other things

3:55

. And also , as women

3:57

, we are different . We aren't

3:59

so confident in ourselves or

4:01

most of us aren't we aren't so

4:03

kind of . We just don't have the same traits

4:06

. So for me it was . It

4:09

took me a long time to go . Oh

4:11

, hang on a minute . You're telling me what

4:13

to do and yet you don't know my

4:15

life one second

4:17

of it . Like you can't even

4:20

start to relate , and that's the other thing

4:22

. Just because I'm a mom and a stepmom and a

4:24

dogmom and all those other things doesn't

4:26

mean I can . I can tell

4:28

someone else what to do in their business . Someone asked

4:30

me earlier today . I was being interviewed earlier and

4:32

they said could you give me a best sales strategy ? And

4:35

I think I'm really annoyed them because I was like my

4:37

best sales strategy for me because

4:39

I know me and how I work

4:41

is I can't say

4:43

that's going to work for everyone else because , everyone's

4:46

different . So , and I think there's not enough of that

4:48

, I think there's too much of the here's the broad

4:50

brush , here's the everyone do

4:52

this , everyone show up this way , everyone do

4:54

this thing , everyone have this type

4:56

of business . And there you go , you'll be a success . And if

4:58

you don't , if you're not a success

5:01

, that's your own fault . That's

5:03

nothing to do with me and my way and

5:05

like , and therefore you're

5:08

made to feel like the failure , when of

5:10

course , that isn't going to work for you because you

5:12

might not want to work like that , you might not even want

5:14

that business . So I think getting

5:16

really clear on who you are and

5:19

what you want in a business is so

5:21

very important . And then not apologizing for

5:23

it and I think this is another thing . Like

5:25

I've got a lovely member who's

5:28

in my small group coaching and she has

5:30

flown in this last 12 months Like

5:33

she is like my poster child

5:35

, but she was told by

5:37

another coach a long while ago you're not charging enough

5:39

and by this stage in your business you

5:41

should be earning more money , you should be bringing in more money

5:43

. And she has two young

5:45

children and she's like I want to

5:47

do the school run and I want to be

5:50

able to take weeks off in summer and I want

5:52

to be able to take the whole Christmas off and I want to do this

5:54

and I know , and she knows , that , yeah

5:56

, we could . She has , by the way , increased

5:58

her income , which is wonderful , but you

6:01

know , we know she could probably increase it double

6:03

again if she was happy to work

6:05

all the hours that God sends and

6:07

not see her kids , but she

6:09

doesn't want to do that . So again , it's getting clear

6:11

on what she wants and going right

6:14

that you're earning this amount of money , great that you've

6:16

got this life balance . Like people

6:18

can't full-time job , people can't earn

6:20

what you're earning , working effectively

6:23

school hours , like so go

6:25

you , you are crazy successful

6:27

, but in someone else's eyes , they don't

6:30

see that .

6:31

So important and obviously y'all

6:33

know why I said yeah , it's for Theresa

6:36

being on the show . We're

6:38

so in alignment with this . It's I mean

6:40

, to the point like that , a poor

6:43

part of what I do with my clients . It's the same

6:45

thing we first discover what

6:47

is the real you , what is the vision Like

6:50

? Because your vision means it's a different

6:52

path , it's a different journey , just like

6:54

you were saying , and it's not going to look the same . There

6:56

might be bits and pieces . I like to tell people it's like

6:58

bits and pieces you might take from other people's

7:00

journey , but it has to be intentional

7:03

for you and I love that you

7:05

are doing that with other women and showing them

7:08

how to do that in a way that feels good to them

7:10

. And when we

7:12

talked initially , one of the things that

7:14

I really connected with you on was

7:16

the fact that how we

7:18

live , specifically for women living

7:21

with chronic illness , affects what

7:23

our vision is going to look like , how

7:25

we are going to do that . So

7:27

has that been a part of your personal

7:30

journey in building what you're

7:32

building today ?

7:33

Yeah , it has to be . I think , when we think about

7:35

, especially if you're living with a chronic illness

7:38

like what could your

7:40

life look like if you didn't have your own business

7:42

? Like how difficult

7:44

might it be to be in a job ? And

7:46

again , right , someone might be sat there going

7:48

well , your business isn't successful because you don't

7:51

earn X amount money . No , but if I

7:53

don't feel great , if I need

7:55

to suddenly disappear off the face of the earth

7:57

for two , three days , I can do that

7:59

. Now , how flipping

8:01

amazing is that ? And

8:04

yet people don't see that , they don't think

8:06

about that . But I think it took

8:08

me a really long while

8:10

to get clear on who I was

8:12

and what I wanted . And actually

8:15

, yeah , I had a great conversation with my coach

8:17

where she was saying to me it was like

8:19

I started off and I'm over here Okay , I'm

8:21

over on the left-hand side because this side is

8:23

what everyone else did . So I look at what everyone

8:25

else does and like , right , that's what I need to succeed . So

8:28

I literally take them like a manual

8:30

and I follow the instructions and the rules and I do all

8:32

the thing and then I'm about like a Year

8:35

or so in and I go what

8:37

am I doing ? These aren't

8:39

even my values , these aren't even . And I started

8:41

to realize that some of the things I was teaching I didn't

8:44

like and it was not in line with

8:46

me . It felt yucky and horrible . So then

8:48

I Literally flipped over

8:50

to the other side and then , over here on the right-hand

8:52

side , I did the complete opposite . So

8:55

that wasn't right either , because , like , it

8:57

was like okay , yeah , I don't want to do

8:59

that , but I'm still not sure what I should be doing or how

9:01

I should be showing up . So I'm gonna completely flip over

9:03

to the right-hand side , where I'll just do

9:05

the complete opposite . And she said it's

9:07

like you're playing golf . She goes it's like you're taking a swing

9:10

and someone's taught you how to swing , but that

9:12

doesn't work for you . So you've literally spun around

9:14

and now you're trying to hit it the wrong way , wrong

9:18

in of the golf . Yeah , yeah

9:20

, like , literally . She's like well , I don't want to do it , that

9:22

I'm gonna do the complete opposite . She's not working

9:24

either . So it took me a

9:26

long while to go Okay

9:28

, let's and it's hard to like ignore

9:31

all the external stuff , like , but

9:33

what is it that I want to do ? How do I want to show up

9:35

and it changes and , like I said , the

9:37

season of life thing is so important

9:39

and you know I'm gonna keep saying

9:41

for women , but it really is for women . When

9:43

I started my business , I was a single mom of

9:46

a four-year-old . Like

9:48

that is a very different world

9:50

to the world I'm in today as a

9:52

mom of a 12

9:55

, nearly 13 year old . Oh my gosh

9:57

, girls , it's just like that is

9:59

a whole nother podcast and it's up and yeah , like

10:01

and being a stepmom and being remarried

10:04

, and so I'm changed . Like the time

10:06

I can commit has changed

10:08

. You know , like I'm very

10:10

lucky I get to travel and that's one of the things I

10:12

love the most . But I can now

10:14

because my daughter spends half a time with her dad

10:16

and half time with me , like . So it's gotta

10:19

come down to you and personally you and how

10:21

you feel and what's going on in your life . And

10:23

I think it needs to . For me

10:25

, it needed someone else to go . Okay , well , what is

10:28

important to you ? And I think that's

10:30

hope through what we do for the people we work with

10:32

, we give them that space to sit

10:34

and talk about . Or why is

10:36

this important ? Because otherwise you end

10:39

up creating something you hate , and

10:41

Then that ego of ours

10:43

goes . Well , I can't give it up , though , because

10:45

what people think ? They'll think I failed and they'll think

10:47

I did , and it's like yeah , but what was like

10:49

? If someone takes a job and then goes , I don't like

10:52

this job and goes and does another job , no

10:54

one goes . Oh , what have you done ? Like

10:56

, but somehow we feel like we get stuck

10:58

in our business and we're like , yeah

11:01

, no , I'm stuck here now . I've created this monster for

11:03

myself and I've got to keep doing it , but we absolutely

11:05

don't have to .

11:07

Yeah , and that's the power . Right like that's

11:09

the power , I think we we

11:11

forget that is actually one of the

11:13

powerful tools in our Wheelhouse

11:16

of being our own business owners is that

11:18

we can look at it today and decide , you know

11:20

what ? No , like this , it's not what it

11:22

is . We need to put this on its head

11:24

, or whatever we need to do in order to make it

11:26

work for us . So I love that

11:28

you shared that . What has been some

11:30

like personal challenges for

11:32

you through this journey of building your

11:35

business , that that someone

11:37

who's listening could be like oh my gosh , I'm

11:40

so glad to hear that I'm not the

11:42

only one experiencing this , and

11:45

how has that informed

11:47

how you continue to grow

11:49

?

11:50

I love that question . That's a great one . So For

11:53

me , I think one of the biggest problems

11:55

was I looked at other people . Not

11:58

only did I let them inform what I wanted

12:00

, but I took their

12:03

success and I measured myself against

12:05

it , and I Don't

12:08

think there are enough people in this

12:10

world , in the business world in

12:12

general , who are honest about

12:14

how hard it is and

12:16

what it takes . So for me

12:19

, that doubt and I never

12:21

wanted to be a business owner I never , ever

12:23

, like I wasn't one of those people that , like

12:25

at school , started selling something or

12:27

like it never appeared in my radar

12:30

until , literally , I handed

12:32

my notice in and a job . I was a single parent

12:34

, I needed to earn money and I couldn't find another

12:36

job and I just thought what

12:39

if I can do this for myself , because

12:41

I've been doing it for years , I've worked in marketing forever

12:43

. So For me

12:45

, I looked at other people and thought , okay

12:47

, that's the way you know , they're really successful , they're

12:49

doing this and therefore , every time something

12:51

didn't go as planned which always happens

12:54

to everyone at every

12:56

point there is not a single business owner out

12:58

there who was literally just like breezing

13:01

through this journey but

13:03

because no one talked about it and therefore

13:05

I felt like I'm

13:08

getting this wrong or I'm

13:10

not a real business . I hear that a lot . You know , I'm

13:12

just playing at this thing . I think the other

13:14

thing when I got started was I didn't

13:17

have anybody like , I Didn't

13:19

have that community , I didn't have those people

13:21

I didn't have . I was surrounded by

13:23

people who are employed . I was surrounded by my family

13:25

who thought I was mad , mad

13:29

and probably still do to this day , like and

13:31

they'll talk about the business , like oh , how's it

13:33

going ? And and like as if

13:36

it's this some little silly thing type

13:38

, whatever . And

13:40

it was funny . The other day I felt like a bit of

13:42

an idiot actually . My sister messaged

13:45

me saying my auntie's birthday is

13:47

coming soon . Can you send a video message , right ? Well , she

13:49

literally lives like 30 , 40

13:51

minutes away from me , so I find that a bit weird , why

13:53

I've got some video message . Anyway , I

13:55

was getting really busy , didn't have time to do it . Got

13:57

to Athens where I was doing a talk and thought , oh

13:59

, I haven't done this video message my sister

14:02

going is it too late ? She's like no , you've got to

14:04

do it today , though I'm sad at

14:06

this place , right ? Do I work with

14:08

my microphone . I

14:11

think I'm a daughter or something for

14:14

doing this thing . You're like , hey , have an amazing

14:16

birthday . Sorry , I'm just hearing Athens Send

14:20

it to my sister when , if it's ridiculous

14:22

, don't send it , and she's like , no , it's fine , but

14:25

like that , you know , no one gets what you're doing

14:27

. And also some of the people who love us the

14:29

most , they're the worst

14:32

, like . It's

14:37

so true , but it's so

14:39

true really don't mean to be , but they

14:41

think they're being kind . Like my husband will say

14:43

to me I'm , you work too hard . I didn't set

14:45

my desk to 11 o'clock this morning . I'm gonna show him , I'm

14:47

all right , like , don't know me

14:49

, and He'll see me because

14:51

, like you know , I , we do it

14:53

live later on , so it's in the evening . So

14:55

are you working ? Yeah , I'm not working too hard

14:57

and I get to do something I love

14:59

. So even the ones who think they're

15:01

trying to be kind by going are you sure you don't want to get

15:03

a job ? No , I

15:06

don't want a job , thank you , but you could

15:08

probably earn more money . It's better in the early days

15:10

, yeah , but I would hate it . So

15:13

, I think , being alone and then being alone

15:15

and seeing these other people . So I think

15:17

what I'm trying to do in my world

15:19

is I'm really honest

15:21

, like and sometimes I I

15:24

worry that I may be too honest and maybe

15:26

like people are like God , this running your business

15:28

is doom and gloom . Like it's awful and it's really

15:31

not , it's amazing , I love it . But

15:33

like I put a new product out there and I put

15:35

it at a lower price because I was constantly being told

15:37

you're too expensive and no one

15:39

bought it . So I left

15:41

it a few months and then I closed it down

15:44

. And then I wrote an email to my list going

15:46

I've just closed this down and this is why because

15:48

it didn't work . I was trying to do this . It

15:50

didn't work right , so I've stopped it , and

15:53

the amount of people who come back to me and

15:55

I thank you , theresa really appreciate you saying that

15:57

. I just sent out an email today because

15:59

I've been Getting more in a line

16:01

with stuff . I've just up to my prices

16:03

, or my prices are up and at the end of this week and

16:06

they are more than doubling like and

16:08

I sent Out an email today and the title was

16:10

how can I justify putting

16:12

my prices up ? And you know what it's that in the

16:14

email and it sounds really arrogant and I'm really

16:16

not like this . I put I don't have to . I

16:19

don't have to justify it , neither do you . It's your

16:21

business . You get to do what the hell you want with

16:23

your business . And Actually

16:25

now I feel way more aligned with

16:27

my pricing and it feels great

16:30

, whereas I was trying to

16:32

meet and be and do and everything

16:35

to everyone else , and now I've gone . No , this is

16:37

where I'm at , this is what I'm worth , and I

16:39

don't have to to justify that to anybody

16:41

, because I , I remember

16:43

it's this . I get to make the decisions . So

16:45

I think for me , finding

16:47

that community early on and finding

16:50

those people who go , yes

16:52

, I I guess

16:54

perceived by you as are

16:56

successful , but it's not as easy

16:58

breezy as people think , and even when

17:00

you reach this level of having a team

17:02

or Getting flown out to like

17:05

do things , there are always things

17:07

that are going to come and scare the living day , like that , yeah

17:10

, and it's about being honest about it , or I

17:12

think it is .

17:13

I think that's a really powerful point . I think

17:15

I know you're

17:18

100% right about the

17:20

information and what's out there about

17:22

what the ups and

17:24

downs of business looks like . I

17:27

mean , some people talk about it but it's like a blip

17:29

, like if you can see my finger

17:31

, it's like a blip today . It's not anything

17:34

you're thinking . Oh yeah

17:36

.

17:36

I just wanted to say , because I felt the sentiment OK

17:38

now , and all this money came flowing in .

17:40

Yeah , right , yeah , nobody's

17:42

talking about the time you were sitting under your table

17:45

crying , or in the closet or

17:48

looking at your business thinking why am

17:50

I doing this ? Should I throw this out

17:52

? Why did I start this ? We have those moments

17:54

and it's always interesting when I interview

17:57

other women , when I ask them sometimes

18:00

what has been some challenges , and

18:02

they're like it's like that

18:04

wasn't really a challenge . That sounds

18:06

very certain . It

18:09

sounds like a way to appear as if you

18:11

don't have downs and everyone

18:14

does . And I think it's so important , like you

18:16

said , that we normalize that

18:18

business is not always going up

18:20

Like we see all of the time , especially

18:22

I know with your marketing background , that if

18:24

you look at these , even big corporations

18:27

, they're not seeing all the ways going

18:29

up , like in their stats and all

18:31

that they're having down moments , up

18:33

moments Like . Think about the stock market

18:35

. Y'all Like how often is that thing

18:37

going off the chain .

18:38

It's a great example

18:40

, and you're right , and also

18:42

as a side note to that which is so good , it

18:45

doesn't always have to be either . Like

18:48

people always talk about

18:50

growing , getting to the next level , expanding

18:52

. Again , if you

18:55

know you and if I know

18:57

my audience and my members , one

18:59

of the things to do in small group coaching is we goal

19:01

set . We obviously , every quarter , we have a goal . We

19:04

have three goals in which they go for , and

19:06

some of them the goals are like I need to earn

19:08

this or I want to grow this or want this . And

19:11

the one when we came on , I was just like my goals are

19:13

really dull , like they're really

19:15

boring admin goals , and it's like

19:17

but actually you are in a great

19:19

place at the moment . You have grown your

19:22

business to the point you need to grow it , and

19:24

now you want to put some systems in place , or

19:26

now you want to get consistent with this . There's

19:28

nothing wrong with that . There's nothing

19:30

wrong with going . Do you know what

19:32

? I'm good ? Where I am right now

19:34

. I just want to make it a bit more streamlined

19:36

. We don't always have to be

19:39

going for the next big thing . Or

19:41

just because you hit like

19:43

one financial goal doesn't mean now you've got

19:45

to double it and you've got to go for double next year . Like

19:48

, you've got to weigh up . And again

19:50

, this is where , knowing you in the

19:52

season of life and what you want , you've got to

19:54

weigh up . Ok , yeah , I could add that goal

19:56

to go big next year at May Income . But

19:59

what would it take and what would have to

20:01

change , because something will have to

20:03

change . You know we can't do the same thing and hope

20:05

to double our income . That would be amazing . But

20:07

and are you willing to have

20:09

that change and are you OK

20:12

with the ? There's always

20:14

some kind of downside to this . Ok , if I want to

20:16

increase my income here , I might have

20:18

to work that day I take off currently

20:21

, or I might have to bring on a team . So

20:23

, yeah , I could double my income , but my profit is

20:25

not double . So it's

20:27

about working that out . But you don't always have

20:30

to be growing and jumping to the

20:32

next thing . Yeah , great if you want to

20:34

, but don't feel like because other

20:36

people are going . You've got to have this , but

20:38

you need to do that .

20:39

Yeah , exactly , I love that . I

20:41

think that's the theme of this is just don't

20:44

build a business or a vision

20:47

on someone else's highway . Yeah

20:50

, yeah , just just don't do it , just don't do it

20:52

. Yeah , figure out . I always say

20:55

figure out what it is that

20:57

you need in the season is always

21:00

good advice 100 percent

21:02

and I say don't measure yourself

21:04

by someone else's ruler .

21:06

So like don't measure your level of

21:08

success by someone else's ruler , it

21:10

can only be by yours .

21:11

Yeah , and everyone's ruler is different

21:13

, like you know , I find

21:16

for myself personally I'm in a group

21:18

coaching program too and there are women in

21:20

there who are definitely wanting to

21:22

reach , you know , millions

21:25

and millions , and it's like

21:27

for me , that's not my season , that's

21:29

not where I'm seeing , that's not what I want , and

21:32

sometimes I think as a coach and

21:34

you let me know if this is something you

21:36

find , theresa that as coaches , we

21:39

can at times make our vision

21:41

seem as if it should be

21:43

our client's vision .

21:46

Yes , yeah , I totally get that Like

21:49

. I think sometimes

21:51

do you not find that people you

21:54

attract people that want similar

21:56

to what you've got , which

21:58

makes perfect sense because

22:00

you know , if you know someone's

22:02

got what you want , then you're going to like and you can be taught

22:04

by them and you can be coached by them than 100%

22:07

do that . But

22:09

it doesn't have to be like that and I feel

22:11

like sometimes our

22:14

job is to go and I

22:16

try really mindfully to just go . This is me , this

22:18

is what I want , this is what I choose

22:20

. That doesn't mean that

22:22

has to be for the rest of you . The

22:24

other thing I did in my group which is difficult , but

22:28

I'm just about making it work the

22:30

requirement to join is not a

22:33

financial requirement , as in . It's

22:35

not a financial level they have to have hit . Because

22:38

I've got people in there who will never

22:40

make six figures Never , because

22:42

their business isn't set up that way . They don't

22:45

want it , the balance they want in

22:47

their life . They just don't want six figures

22:49

, but they're willing to

22:51

work really hard and they want

22:53

to put the time and the focus near to their business . Then

22:55

I've got other people who want to hit seven

22:57

figures and that's fine . And

23:00

it's weird because most coaching group coaching

23:03

I've been in you've got to be at this level . And

23:06

it is interesting because I totally get that . I totally get like

23:08

you want to be challenged , you

23:10

want to know that there are other people in the room that can help lift

23:13

you to where you want to be . But

23:15

also I feel like

23:17

, especially in my world , it's

23:19

a mindset , so it's like someone

23:21

could have the money . So there

23:23

are people that have come to me and gone . I'd like to join and

23:26

I've gone , okay , but are you going to put

23:28

the work in ? Are you going to show up ? Are you going to do it ? I don't care

23:30

if you can afford to join . That's not

23:33

the question here . The

23:35

question is everyone who's in there shows

23:37

up . They do the work , they get on the

23:39

calls , they support each other . They're a community , they're

23:41

great together . And

23:44

just because one is bringing in 70,000 a year

23:46

and one is bringing in 700,000

23:48

a year , that makes no difference to them . They're

23:50

okay with that and I know not everybody would . And

23:52

again , that's fine . It's

23:55

about the effort they want to put in . It's about that accountability

23:58

they want , about how they want to show up , what

24:00

that community they want . So

24:03

those things are so important and

24:06

I know people who have amazingly hit on a

24:08

niche and suddenly flown and they've been

24:10

phenomenal and got a huge income . But

24:13

it doesn't mean that they're right for doing that kind of program . So

24:15

I think it's a really interesting

24:18

one and again , I wouldn't be standing by what

24:20

I said if I said you

24:22

have a lot of money . You have to win over this

24:24

amount of money to come in , because

24:26

I'm not letting you decide what you want for

24:28

your business .

24:29

Yeah , and I think what I have found

24:31

too is that when it's not based on

24:33

money and it's more based on those values

24:35

and the work , you

24:38

actually have a much more

24:40

colorful experience

24:43

of getting to whatever growth that

24:46

looks like for you . Because growth I've been

24:48

talking about this a lot on the podcast growth

24:50

is beyond just numbers . There

24:52

is the I mean , mindset

24:54

. To me is probably the biggest growth

24:56

, as you mentioned , that most of us experienced

24:59

, no matter what level you're in . The

25:02

money is the money Like , it's like the

25:04

money , but the mindset , work

25:06

and the personal development really honestly

25:09

is . You know , if you want

25:11

to , if you want to get better as a person

25:13

, become an entrepreneur

25:16

you have to do so much work

25:18

on yourselves and your thinking

25:20

in order to be open

25:22

and humble

25:24

. You know that I'm learning .

25:27

And do you know what it is such a good word in terms

25:29

of being humble ? Because I think that's another

25:31

thing that we have to teach ourselves . That again

25:34

, and I don't know whether to say with you , when you

25:36

know some of the stuff I've been in and some of the stuff

25:38

I regret bringing in , quite honestly , that

25:41

it teaches us something every time .

25:43

Always .

25:44

But it was so ego driven and

25:46

it was so like if you weren't at this amount

25:49

of money then you weren't worthy

25:51

. And it's like you know what . What

25:53

was lovely when I started the coach point was I

25:55

took them from my membership and I said to them individually

25:58

I'm starting this thing . This is a couple of years

26:00

back . I'm starting this thing , would you like to be part

26:02

of it ? And I chose a real

26:04

array of like I guess , if

26:06

you were looking , just the income , incomes

26:08

. However , I

26:10

took people who worked so flipping

26:13

hard but they were so far off

26:15

where they needed to be from a personal development

26:17

point of view . I took people who didn't

26:20

want to earn a lot of money , weren't that bothered about any

26:22

money , but from personal development point of view , they

26:24

had done so much work and could add so much value

26:27

. And I think you're right when we talk about

26:29

growing , it has to be in

26:31

all aspects , because , a bit like we

26:33

were saying earlier , like I know , my husband

26:35

said to me like if

26:37

he says working hard , he's like are you sure ? Like

26:40

what ? Could you not just go back to being an agency , because you used to

26:42

bring in so much money ? When you're an agency , it's

26:45

like I don't want to be an agency Like and this is the

26:47

thing it's like I

26:49

know I could bring in , I could do

26:51

just consultancy and charge an app slip , flip and fortune

26:54

. However , I love working

26:56

with small business owners . It

26:58

makes me so very happy . So again , that

27:00

wouldn't be success . Yeah

27:03

, it might look like it on paper because it might go wow , look how much you're

27:05

earning . I could probably go

27:07

out and get a marketing director's job

27:09

with a really good salary , but

27:12

again , I wouldn't be happy . So we've got to look at it . And

27:16

another thing we do in the group I teach is we don't

27:18

just look at the money , but we look at how your team

27:20

is . We look at how you

27:22

are as a person , we

27:24

look at how your downtime is , how

27:27

. We did an exercise the other way Exercise the other

27:29

week where we were working out

27:31

what your true north was , and we did a kind of very

27:33

, very mindful type exercise

27:36

where I got them , I did a meditation with them . I got

27:38

them to feel in their body like what it felt like

27:40

when things were good . So they imagined like an

27:42

amazing moment in their life where they were the happiest

27:44

, and I got them to feel it in their

27:46

body . And then we imagined something that didn't

27:48

go so well or they didn't like

27:50

and nothing too traumatic , but just you

27:53

know that sucked . All that made me feel really uncomfortable

27:56

and imagined how that felt in their body . And

27:58

then what I got them to do is go through all the

28:00

aspects of their business and

28:02

sit with it and go how does

28:04

that make me feel ? To look for their true

28:06

north , to look for Am

28:08

I in my business and does

28:10

it feel good ? And it resulted in

28:13

someone ditching a client because

28:15

they were like , do you know what I was doing ? Exercise

28:17

, and I thought about working with this person . I was like , yeah , great

28:19

, and that felt good and this was yeah . And

28:21

then I thought of this and I was like and it's like when

28:23

they listen to themselves , they were like I

28:26

don't like that . So again , it's , that's

28:28

a measure of success . You know she could have kept that client

28:30

to keep the money , but she didn't enjoy working

28:33

with them . So it's that kind

28:35

of this work and

28:37

vision work and goal work

28:39

, and I think sometimes it can be

28:41

seen as like a bit frivolous

28:43

or a bit silly or a bit like

28:46

is it really that important

28:48

? Should I really sit there and do a

28:50

big goal setting thing and think about my vision

28:53

and think about my true North . Yeah

28:55

, like , any amount of time you

28:58

spend in this is going to come back 10 fold

29:00

because you're going to love what you

29:02

do and you're then going to make sure

29:04

that you're geared up to only do those things

29:06

, or to make sure you get more of that

29:08

stuff , whereas you

29:10

could just end up earning money and it's

29:12

sucking and then that's not

29:14

sustainable , like , no , you're not going to do that

29:16

.

29:17

Yeah , and especially if you're living with chronic

29:19

illnesses , is something I

29:21

will say that I am most aligned

29:23

with . Most of the women I choose

29:26

to be . My coach is right , but there's

29:28

always a piece sometimes that I find

29:30

that I'm a little bit of out of alignment

29:32

with the concept that business is business

29:35

, and my thought is

29:37

that business is the most

29:39

personal thing you can do . Oh , so

29:41

much Like outside of , like our relationships

29:44

and our spirituality and all of that stuff . Business

29:47

is the most personal thing

29:49

you can do and if you look at

29:51

it like it's this , this

29:53

, like thing that's over there , I

29:56

don't see how that's sustainable , especially

29:58

with most people . What I will

30:00

say that I've worked with in myself living

30:03

with chronic illness , especially women who are

30:05

highly sensitive we feel

30:07

all of the things in our bodies , regardless

30:10

whether we want to or not .

30:12

Yeah , so if we're cinema sometimes

30:14

, but exactly so .

30:16

If we're building a business that we don't

30:18

feel good doing it and we're marketing a

30:20

way we don't feel good doing it , if we're

30:23

attracting clients that we don't like

30:25

, you cannot sustain

30:27

that , even physically Right

30:29

Like , your body will respond

30:31

to that Like it's like

30:33

I hate that , like it's going to try to protect you

30:35

from this thing that you're building that is

30:38

so ugly and so disgusting to your body

30:40

that it's not going to work Long

30:43

term . It's not going to work .

30:45

Yeah , and you'll write . And I think you

30:48

are battling with something like

30:50

with a chronic illness , with anything

30:53

that you are having to deal with on a daily

30:55

basis that is

30:58

causing you discomfort

31:00

, whether it's physical or mental or whatever

31:02

discomfort . The last thing

31:05

you want to do is bring something

31:07

else in like that's going to

31:09

do the same , because it's just going

31:11

to exacerbate all of it , whereas I think

31:13

and again , you want to work with

31:16

people where they understand

31:18

those things . Like one

31:20

of my members , she only works with women

31:22

who are parents , because

31:24

she's a woman who's a parent and

31:26

she gets what that's like . She gets that

31:29

she finishes it three o'clock because

31:31

she goes on the school run and so she doesn't

31:33

want to work with people . That and she's

31:36

had them before , and this is one of the reasons now why

31:38

she's so sort of fierce about this that

31:40

she has to apologize . The fact I'm

31:43

going to do the school run or I'm taking the afternoon off because it's

31:46

sports day , again , we don't want to

31:48

deal with people , and especially with a chronic illness . You

31:50

don't want to work with people or create a business

31:52

where you are too embarrassed

31:55

or too you don't feel

31:57

good going . You know what I'm

32:00

just going to have to take a bit of time . I'll be back or

32:02

I can work in this way

32:04

, like it might be that you choose

32:06

to work in a way that isn't as reactive

32:09

because you don't know how you're going to feel on

32:11

a particular day , whereas you can work a

32:13

month in advance with stuff , because then you

32:16

can do it when you feel good it's done and

32:18

you don't have to worry when you don't feel so good . So

32:20

, again , it's creating all

32:22

of us in our life , but , especially if you're

32:25

living with certain iconic illness , ease

32:28

has got to be the word . Like everything

32:31

needs that element of ease , and

32:34

your business has to be that too . And you're so right

32:36

with and this took me a while

32:38

I came from a corporate world . I came from a very

32:40

male dominated corporate world

32:42

. They didn't want to know if you were married

32:44

. They didn't want to know if you had kids . They didn't want to end

32:46

like you weren't even allowed to pretend you

32:48

had a life out of that work . And

32:50

so when I came into my business

32:53

and starting my business , I ended

32:55

up sharing an office with some absolutely showbizistic

32:58

paid guys , like they were the worst

33:00

. So that carried on for a little while

33:02

and then suddenly I realized that

33:04

actually people were signing

33:07

up because of me and part of me was

33:09

the fact of all these other elements

33:11

. It's not just Teresa who has a degree in

33:13

marketing and has all these years experience . It's

33:15

Teresa who can have a laugh . It's Teresa who likes

33:17

a gin on an evening . It's

33:19

Teresa who has

33:21

a child and has to juggle these things

33:24

. And especially now even more

33:26

, I embrace all of it

33:28

because I

33:30

can relate to other people who can

33:32

relate to me now because they can go . Oh

33:35

, thank God there's someone out there doing it that is like

33:37

me , that looks like me , that sounds like me , that

33:39

has the same issues that I have or has

33:41

the same problems that I have . So I

33:44

know , in not every business and not every

33:46

world you're going to be able to fully embrace those

33:48

things , but life

33:51

is just so much easier if you can , surely

33:53

.

33:53

Yeah , so many nuggets

33:55

in there , especially about the

33:57

piece about people being attracted

34:00

to all the things

34:02

that you don't think are that big of a deal

34:05

, and especially

34:07

as online entrepreneurs . Sometimes

34:10

we're still focused on the

34:12

certifications and all of the

34:14

actual work experience

34:17

, but the thing that people are like watching you

34:19

and looking at you for like it's so funny you

34:21

say this that we're talking about this because

34:23

I went , I did a little story on

34:25

my Instagram the other day and I was

34:27

going to a doctor's office and I it

34:29

actually takes me really a

34:32

very intentional thought to say I'm

34:34

going to show this because

34:36

obviously I work with women with chronic

34:38

illness growing a business , so don't

34:40

want them to ever feel like me

34:42

. Running my business means that I'm just never

34:45

in a flare up . I'm never going and doing those

34:47

things Like no , I'm totally like

34:49

you and I

34:51

was like I'm going to share this and I look probably

34:54

not the best . I look kind of like not that

34:56

cute , like let's just be real , okay

34:58

, and I was like just sharing and

35:00

going to the doctor's office . I'm

35:02

not going

35:05

to look you especially this particular doctor's

35:07

office , but anyway , I'm going and

35:09

I'm like having this realization

35:12

that I need to share something that's on my heart about

35:14

this process , and I can tell

35:16

you I had so again

35:18

. It always reminds me like this is what people

35:20

want for me more of right . It's not

35:23

about the tips , it's not about

35:25

you know all of these things I learned about

35:27

the mindset like , yeah , they

35:29

love that . But when I come in and show the

35:31

real , all of these little parts

35:34

of me that are not always connected

35:36

to my business , people are like , yes , give

35:38

me more .

35:40

Yes , and that's for a couple of reasons

35:42

. One , people like people , people

35:44

like to see people and real people , stuff

35:46

, and and they remember stories . They remember

35:49

that kind of detail . They won't necessarily

35:51

remember like that you've

35:53

got a degree in something or a particular

35:55

stat by something . They're not going to remember that , but they will remember

35:58

when you tell a story , because stories

36:00

sit better in our brain . The other thing

36:02

that's really interesting about this is I did some I'm

36:05

not certified in this at all , but I did some work in

36:07

story brands , building a story brand and

36:10

when it talks about the meets , the

36:12

guide and you are the guide , are you where

36:14

the guides as business owners ? It says

36:17

that you have to show them two things

36:19

. You have to show them authority , which

36:21

I think we're very good at doing . This

36:23

is why I'm good at my do the . Here's a blog on this thing , here's

36:25

a podcast on this thing . But the other thing we

36:27

have to show them is empathy and

36:30

because so many of

36:32

us and I'm a good example

36:34

, you're a good example we are our customers

36:36

. Like you know , we deal

36:38

with people who are like us . So

36:40

in order for us to show empathy

36:43

to them , in order for them to

36:45

see that actually we get

36:47

it . We've got to show that stuff too . We

36:49

can't say , especially with Unikitty

36:52

. You can't say we can create your

36:54

business that you can work with with the chronic illness , it's

36:56

okay , it's this . If you're not saying

36:58

like this is how

37:00

I do it or this is how I manage it . Like

37:03

, if you go , oh , it's okay for you

37:05

to show vulnerability , but I couldn't possibly

37:07

show that for one minute , Right Again , it's

37:09

no good me saying to my audience you need

37:11

to show up brave like this and you need to do this thing , or

37:13

you need to think about what you want for your business . When

37:16

I'm trying to do a flipping copycat of something

37:18

else that I've seen , because I think that's the way to

37:20

do it . I've got to show up as me and

37:22

go this is what I want for my business

37:25

, this is how I want to appear . So we've

37:28

got to be the kind of the example

37:30

of it and in our marketing and if

37:33

you're listening to this in your marketing you

37:35

need to show the authority and the empathy

37:37

and often the empathy , because we

37:39

often deal with clients who are

37:41

ourselves . The empathy is showing up . The real

37:43

stuff is showing up the real life stuff

37:45

and , like you said , that's the

37:48

stuff . And even if you just want to do it for the algorithm

37:50

, like if you want to literally

37:52

go in , this is going to get good interaction , which

37:54

is going to help the next two posts . But

37:56

you're right , like that was the thing . So

37:58

we were talking before we got on . I've just

38:00

been to Athens to do a workshop all

38:02

day and I'm obviously not

38:04

based in Athens and I flew over and I had an extra day

38:06

there and I was really nervous about being on

38:08

my own there and traveling on my own and sight

38:11

seeing on my own and all this sort of thing in

38:13

another country . And I put

38:15

on my Instagram stories . I'd been posting stories

38:18

all day . They'd been getting some good interaction

38:20

, like not you know , just kind of average interaction

38:22

, and then I posted that

38:25

it surprised me how okay

38:27

I was . So I was very honest about

38:30

because , again , like , if you've seen , I've been to Dubai

38:32

, I've been to the States , I get you know , especially

38:35

before lockdown , I'd be flown all over to speak

38:37

. So people must look at me and think , oh , she just loves

38:39

it , it's easy and it's like well , yeah , either

38:41

I fly in and fly out again , or

38:43

I know someone there , or my

38:45

husband comes with me . So this is the first time

38:48

where I was on my own . I had a whole day

38:50

sight seeing on my own . So I put

38:52

you know , I'm really surprised how much I've actually

38:54

been okay with this . Have you ever been

38:56

on holiday on your own ? And I asked

38:58

a poll and the

39:01

interaction on that was huge

39:04

, so big , because people

39:06

who had been on holiday on their own were like , yes

39:08

, I love it , it's brilliant . And then

39:10

a load of other people like no , I don't think I could

39:12

. And then I was able to reply to all these

39:15

people going like I

39:17

didn't think I could next time . Really surprised , I

39:19

feel really brave . Like that , I've done it . And

39:21

then , if you just want to think about the algorithm

39:24

, the next few posts

39:26

had three times the amount of

39:28

views than the post previously because

39:30

I'd had that interaction . So that's the

39:32

stuff like , yeah , someone might be looking

39:35

at me thinking , oh , I'd love to speak

39:37

, I'd love to be someone flying me out somewhere and speak

39:39

, that'd be amazing . But

39:41

that didn't get . The like yeah , they were like

39:43

that's awesome , but it was the me going . Actually

39:46

, that was a bit

39:48

scary and I've just done this

39:50

. I brave am . I like that's what got the interaction

39:53

, so so showing that stuff is so

39:55

very important .

39:57

Yeah , that is so true and I agree

39:59

with you . That story I did see that on Instagram

40:01

and I was like , yes , I kind

40:03

of sort of feel the same way . Even if I'm not going

40:05

out of town , I do so much with my

40:08

husband that at this point , if

40:10

I go somewhere I did that last week

40:12

I went on like a little spa day and

40:14

it was just me and I did dinner with

40:16

myself and I was like as weird

40:18

as this feels , I'm actually surprised of

40:20

how excited I feel in this moment

40:22

. But yeah , it is the

40:24

human part of us that we

40:27

. It's such a vulnerable place

40:29

, right , it's such a vulnerable place to show

40:31

up in that way sometimes . And I'm

40:33

the first one to tell people you're going to tell everybody everything

40:36

, but just showing pieces

40:39

like flex of what that looks

40:41

like in your life can make such a difference for

40:43

someone who is like looking at

40:45

you and wondering , like , are you

40:47

really a human ?

40:49

Yes , yeah , because often

40:51

people don't show that or they

40:53

they show this real highlighted view of

40:55

, like you said , oh , it's going to be down

40:58

five minutes , but I'm okay now . Business

41:00

is great . Thanks very much . Like we do

41:02

need to see that and remember

41:04

someone saying that you know , you don't tell them

41:06

when you're in the weeds . You wait till you got yourself out the weeds

41:09

and then you tell them . You were in the weeds and

41:11

I do agree with that . I agree that no one

41:13

wants to go . No one wanted to

41:15

see a story of me as I was

41:17

going to go to be on my own . What am I going to do ? Yeah

41:22

, I'm sure , but no one needed to see

41:24

that Then me going . I'm

41:26

really surprised . I wasn't keen that

41:28

actually it was really good . Like

41:31

that's fine . Like we're not saying

41:33

go online sobbing . Like

41:35

I mean , if you want to , you can I mean

41:37

you want to go with that , Go on business

41:40

. Your choice . Like that is cool

41:42

, but for me that wouldn't do . Like

41:44

I will be really open about stuff

41:47

Once I've kind of worked out like

41:49

, oh okay , I'm on the next stage now I've just

41:51

moved slightly on and therefore I'm happy to

41:53

admit this didn't go as well

41:56

, or I wasn't keen on this , or you

41:58

know , whatever it might be . So , yeah , I

42:00

think you've got to be the boss

42:03

of that . You've got to decide whether that's what

42:05

you want or not . You know , like you said , we

42:07

can't just say show everything

42:09

. And some people are really comfortable and really

42:11

kind of happy to show everything , some people not

42:13

at all . So it's where you are really

42:15

Well , this has been

42:18

great .

42:18

Can you tell us anyone who is

42:20

and I know I'm not going to ask

42:22

the question of like , what's the one tip

42:24

, but the best advice

42:27

you've ever received , or you feel like you've

42:29

received , in growing your business ?

42:32

Good one , okay , and you know what it sprung

42:35

to my mind instantly . So I know it's the right

42:37

thing . I started working

42:39

with my amazing coach . We all need a coach , fyi

42:41

, yes , the coaches need coaches

42:43

. I started working with my amazing coach . I started

42:45

working with them when I had an agency , when we

42:48

had clients , so years

42:50

and years and years ago now , and I'd lost

42:52

a couple of big clients for no good reason , like

42:54

it wasn't like we'd upset them or it wasn't like they

42:56

hated us , it was just the project came

42:58

to an end , or actually it just

43:01

stopped , and they were big money

43:03

clients . And I went on to a coaching call with it

43:05

and I was like freaking out and

43:08

I was like this is , you know , the nightmare . This is

43:10

awful , this is just like just give

43:12

it a minute and we calm down . And she was like what

43:14

if you were exactly where you're meant to be ?

43:17

And I was like did you know what I'm saying

43:19

?

43:21

She was like , seriously , though , what

43:24

if you were ? And I'd sat

43:26

there and thought , whether I believe that

43:28

or not , whether I sit there and go

43:30

, that's just , that's a rubbish Mary , I don't know what

43:32

you're talking about . It just feels

43:35

nicer Like thinking

43:38

, oh , I'm meant to be here . Just

43:41

feels so much nicer than freaking

43:43

out because of what's happening

43:45

, and also like

43:48

freaking out isn't going to change

43:50

anything . I mean losing it because

43:52

I lost those clients and sobbing because

43:54

that income's gone wasn't

43:56

going to get the income back . It wasn't suddenly going to make

43:58

them go oh sorry , theresa , here we go

44:00

. Or another client go , here's some money . That

44:03

wasn't going to change that at all . So actually all that

44:05

was doing was upsetting me and bothering me . So

44:07

, just by her going , what if

44:10

you are exactly where you're meant to be ? And

44:12

you know what ? She was right , because when I lost

44:14

those two clients , it freed me up enough space

44:16

to start the online business , which I mean wouldn't

44:18

start , which then resulted in , a few months later

44:20

, me sacking the rest of my clients . So

44:23

I should do the online business , which I've done ever

44:25

since . So I was exactly

44:27

where I needed to be . But , like

44:29

I said , even if you're sat there going what a load of rubbish

44:31

it just feels nicer . It

44:34

just feels nicer saying to yourself what

44:36

if I'm exactly where I need to be , rather than this

44:39

is horrendous , I'm going to cry . I've got

44:41

to get a job at the local supermarket .

44:43

It's so funny that is such

44:46

a good piece of advice , Like

44:49

it's like a good coaching , like to

44:52

be so funny . I just had a conversation

44:54

with one of my clients that very same situation

44:56

. It was like yeah , but

44:58

what if this is what's supposed to be

45:01

happening right now ? Like what if you know

45:03

? I love that . You shared that

45:05

and I think it's powerful to

45:07

understand that if

45:10

everything flips upside down

45:12

tomorrow

45:14

or if you haven't even started , whatever

45:16

it is you think you need to have started . Maybe

45:19

the reason why is that you never should have started in the

45:21

first place and something

45:24

else is coming , or

45:26

this is your time to reset

45:28

, to really be intentional and

45:30

be like what opportunities are actually

45:32

in front of me ? When we're in freak out mode

45:35

, we can't see those opportunities .

45:37

No , and we don't make good decisions . So

45:39

if it just comes you down to make a better decision

45:42

, then go right . And it happens

45:44

all the time Like really

45:46

stupid small stuff . But my

45:49

husband and I were going to London next week because I

45:51

bought some stuff down there that I've got to do and

45:53

we tried to book a hotel and it didn't go

45:55

through properly and it was really annoying and we had to get it

45:57

sorted . Anyway , today I went to book the trains

45:59

and there's a train strike , so we've had to change all

46:01

our plans . So it's like and

46:04

I know you might be listening to Sink and Well , that's just stupid

46:06

, but , like you know , the

46:08

hotel was meant to be booked . We should have had it booked . And

46:10

a problem happened and he was a

46:12

bit annoyed with me because I hadn't sorted it out yet and

46:14

I was like I just haven't had time . And then , of course , this happened . I was

46:17

like that's why I hadn't had time , because now

46:19

we don't need that hotel , because now we can't do the trip as we

46:21

needed to do . So everything's

46:23

changing . So , and you can't see

46:25

it , and even the big stuff in life I got a divorce

46:27

, like when my daughter was four , like

46:29

that was bad , like that

46:31

was a big thing in my life , you

46:34

know . But if I haven't got divorced

46:36

, I wouldn't have started my business , I wouldn't

46:38

have met my now husband , I wouldn't live

46:40

where I am in the house I am , I wouldn't be as happy as

46:43

like , you can't always say

46:45

I'm not saying everything is like

46:47

that but , like I said , it just feels a whole lot nicer

46:49

to think that , even if you don't believe it .

46:52

Yeah , exactly , it feels a lot

46:54

nicer and like your nervous

46:56

system is like thank you , yes

46:58

, yes it is , yeah

47:01

, it's like that fight of light is

47:03

like you can just calm you down .

47:05

Now we're taking over it's far .

47:07

Yeah , exactly . Well , how

47:09

can we find you , and is there anything

47:11

special coming up that we ?

47:13

should know about . So

47:15

you can search Theresa Heath wearing anywhere

47:17

the advantage of having a very unusual name because

47:20

I appear everywhere . My favorite is Instagram

47:22

, so you will find me most often on

47:24

there and you can go to Theresa Heath wearingcom

47:26

and everything's on there , including

47:28

my podcast , which is your dream business . And

47:31

what have I got coming up ? That's exciting . Well

47:34

, going into 2023 , I'm

47:36

actually doing some in-person events myself

47:39

, which is very exciting , but they're mainly

47:41

based in the UK , so that's a bit unfortunate

47:43

, although I am trying to find somewhere in the States because I

47:45

do like going over there . But , yeah , just come and

47:47

check out the 90 day program and the group coaching

47:50

and all that good stuff .

47:52

So awesome . Thank you so much for being on

47:54

, Theresa .

47:55

Thank you so much for having me . It's been an absolute

47:58

joy .

48:01

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48:10

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