0:00

Alright, I'm gonna go

0:00

because you two are relevant.

0:02

You'll be able to carry this.

0:02

What's Jordan shocked face for?

0:06

Well, are you leaving the recording?

0:07

No, no, I'm gonna go I'm

0:07

gonna throw you a topic.

0:10

Oh, I thought you're

0:10

saying I'm going and we're like,

0:13

Alright, see ya.

0:21

Buzzcast episode 100.

0:24

Kevin we did it.

0:25

We did. Like this was a

0:25

goal that we set from the

0:28

beginning.

0:28

This was my goal.

0:30

Goal was to get to 100.

0:31

I honestly am shocked

0:31

that we've made it 100 episodes.

0:35

When we started this I thought

0:35

we maybe we're gonna have like a

0:38

short run before we killed it.

0:38

And Buzzcast keeps going it's

0:42

actually gotten bigger and

0:42

better over the years.

0:45

Well, is this it? Are we

0:45

done? Like a goal achieved? Game

0:50

over? Are we going in for

0:50

another 100? Oh, no one wants to

0:54

commit to another.

0:57

Energy's not there yet. I

0:57

think after 100 episodes, we

1:01

still have to get her energy. Yeah.

1:03

I was thinking about it. I was just like, oh, man, because I know that I've

1:05

listened to all the Buzzcast

1:08

episodes, probably at least

1:08

twice. You know what I mean? And

1:12

so I realized, like, I've

1:12

listened to a lot of Buzzcast

1:15

over the years,

1:16

You've listened to more

1:16

Buzzcast than me. I'm sure that

1:19

whatever my number is, it's

1:19

below twice because I live it

1:22

once and then I'll listen once

1:22

but sometimes I'm not on the

1:26

podcast or I missed the

1:26

listening part. So I've never

1:29

made it to a full two

1:29

listen-throughs.

1:31

I wanted to quiz you and

1:31

see how much you remember from

1:35

the last 100 episodes of

1:35

Buzzcast. So this is a little

1:39

bit of pub style trivia. It's

1:39

like five questions. It's not a

1:42

big deal.

1:43

Are there prizes?

1:44

Bragging rights.

1:48

Who do we get to brag to?

1:49

You can brag to your

1:49

kids. All right, so our first

1:53

question, this is an easy one.

1:53

Sort of on what date was the

1:57

first episode of Buzzcast

1:57

published and do not cheat? Do

2:01

not look it up?

2:01

I have no idea. I have to

2:01

look it up. Can't this just be a

2:04

race to see you can look it up first.

2:06

No, you can't look it

2:06

up. Don't you dare. I see your

2:08

eyes going to that.

2:09

I'm going for July of

2:09

2019.

2:14

I mean, Alban wins. I'm

2:14

cheating. Okay, I'm just going

2:17

to go look.

2:18

No. Stop going to look,

2:18

stop it. You're so bad.

2:22

I have no idea.

2:24

It was July 1 2019.

2:24

Alban was really close.

2:27

If you would have said what year I wouldn't have gotten it.

2:29

Yeah, I'll be honest. The

2:29

only reason I knew that is

2:31

because I did look at Buzzcast

2:31

like a few days ago, and I was

2:34

like, man, we started that in

2:34

2019 I thought we started in

2:37

2018. So

2:38

that's what I would have guessed I would guess 2018 So I don't know if I'll take I'll

2:40

take a point.

2:42

Bragging rights to my kids.

2:43

Yeah. 1 point to Alban,

2:43

here's a clip from that.

2:46

It's called mic technique.

2:49

No, it's not.. Yes. Yes,

2:49

it is.

2:51

Oh, yeah.

2:52

Are you recording right now?

2:53

Yes, I'm totally recording.

2:54

To all our listeners out

2:54

there. Travis sounds nothing

2:56

like this when you talk to him

2:56

in person. Is that our cold

3:01

open?

3:02

Yeah. That was your cold open.

3:03

Is that our first episode?

3:04

Yeah, it was your very first episode.

3:06

I remember recording that.

3:08

Do you?

3:08

I remember sitting in the

3:08

studio and Alban and I were

3:10

shocked because I can't remember

3:10

which microphones we were set up

3:14

with SM7B's or something like

3:14

that. Travis put the studio

3:16

together look really nice. But

3:16

Travis had this Rodecaster pro

3:20

with the largest foam windscreen

3:20

out you've ever seen your life

3:23

mask look like? I don't know one

3:23

of those shows where they're

3:25

doing the spoof where they keep

3:25

getting like the boom in the

3:27

shot. And there's this huge,

3:27

like dead cat thing that keeps

3:31

dropping down into this. Yeah,

3:31

but it was that and it was right

3:33

in his face the whole time. They

3:33

couldn't even see his face as

3:37

giant microphone.

3:38

And his voice sounded

3:38

amazing. And our voices sounded

3:42

terrible. And we were like, oh,

3:42

Travis, boost us up. He's like,

3:46

Nope, this is good. This is

3:46

good. And we're like, is he

3:49

messing with us?

3:50

He had a budget to put the podcast together and like 90% of it went into his

3:52

microphone.

3:57

All right, question two.

3:57

Who was the first guest Buzzcast

4:01

ever had on the show?

4:03

Oh Ding ding ding Yeah,

4:03

I'm gonna come in. I think we

4:07

have Priscilla was the first guest.

4:09

Alban?

4:09

Yeah. Are we counting

4:09

people in the company? Yeah.

4:12

Then I guess I'm gonna go with Tom.

4:14

The answer is,

4:15

We got our usual

4:15

suspects plus a very special

4:18

guests. So we got Priscilla Brooke.

4:20

Boom.

4:21

Kevin. Nice.

4:23

Good job, Kevin.

4:24

We should have Priscilla

4:24

back. Why is persona coming back

4:27

with 100

4:27

I know we need to get her back.

4:29

For sure.

4:31

All right, so this is

4:31

one of my favorite moments in

4:33

Buzzcast history. After you both

4:33

forgot to publish an episode

4:38

while Travis was on leave.

4:39

Yes.

4:40

He played Buzzcast first

4:40

game show with you. What was the

4:44

name of that game show?

4:46

What was the name of the

4:46

game show that Travis played

4:50

after we missed an episode?

4:53

It was the next episode after you guys missed an episode.

4:57

I'm trying to remember it

4:57

was like this or that it was

4:59

like one thing or another thing

4:59

I remember there being like,

5:03

there was a big controversy I

5:03

was actually about just now

5:06

because you started doing a game

5:06

show here. And Kevin, I gotten

5:08

like kind of a tip in the last

5:08

game show yet. It continued off

5:13

air, showed up in my performance

5:13

review.

5:17

I remember there being a

5:17

poll in the Facebook group about

5:20

who actually won.

5:21

Yes. Oh, because Kevin

5:21

was mad that it came back. I had

5:25

to come back and then Travis

5:25

like, totally ripped it off.

5:28

I feel like whatever it

5:28

was, Travis was the judge. And

5:33

Alban was really sucking up to I

5:33

was Judge and I think that's why

5:37

He gave he got the points, no

5:37

thing.

5:39

You won the first two

5:39

points, then I won two. And I

5:43

just knew that at that point,

5:43

Travis wasn't going to let me go

5:46

on a streak and win. And mine

5:46

was such a better answer. And I

5:50

just remember being like,

5:50

insulted that he picked your

5:53

answer.

5:54

Cuz if he gave it to you,

5:54

the game would ended early.

5:56

Oh, maybe that was it.

5:56

That might have been Yeah, and

5:59

anyone to keep the game going.

5:59

Alright, so we don't really

6:01

know. We have no memory of what

6:01

it is Jordan.

6:04

All right. The answer is

6:08

Welcome to This or That!

6:10

I just said it!

6:11

Oh, Alban gets a point.

6:12

Something like this or

6:12

that. But it was one thing or

6:14

another thing?

6:15

Yeah, you got it Alban.

6:17

Well, not intentionally.

6:17

I was saying it was it that it's

6:20

definitely not this one. But

6:20

it's something like this.

6:24

I think it's fine. You can have the point for it. It's like on Wheel of Fortune. If

6:25

they're saying like, it's not

6:28

rainbow bright. But it's rainbow

6:28

bright. You're gonna get you

6:31

still solve the puzzle.

6:32

Are you serious? If they say I'd like to solve the puzzle? It's definitely not

6:34

rainbow bright. They're like,

6:37

good job. You win.

6:38

No, like at the end when

6:38

they're doing the final puzzle

6:41

and they give them five letters and they get to guess three more. You get to talk it out.

6:42

And so if you say it at all,

6:46

when you're talking it out? Even

6:46

if you say it's not this, then

6:49

it still counts. Really? That's

6:49

yeah, that's real fortune rules.

6:52

You can talk it out. And if you

6:52

say it, you get it.

6:55

Those are interesting rules. I guess I haven't watched much Wheel of Fortune. All

6:57

right, Jordan. Put me down for a

7:00

point then.

7:01

I put you down for a

7:01

point. So we got Alban leading

7:04

with two, Kevin with one. This

7:04

question is actually only for

7:07

Kevin. So I guess this is his

7:07

moment for redemption. Okay, so

7:12

while in Hawaii, what was Alban

7:12

eating during the recording?

7:17

Hot Cheeto flaming

7:17

cheetos. I'm going to talk it

7:22

out. Flaming Cheeto fries,

7:22

things.

7:26

I'm also over here eating

7:26

like Cheetos. Flaming Hot fries.

7:29

So

7:30

Boom. I think I got a point for that.

7:35

You got it.

7:37

That's good. Kevin.

7:37

That's not even like a name

7:39

brand thing. I think I only

7:39

bought him because I was like,

7:42

What is this? And then I was I

7:42

don't know why that's not really

7:45

a healthy breakfast.

7:46

No. You did it at like

7:46

seven o'clock in the morning it

7:51

was so gross. Okay, so in the

7:51

episode, the day podcast

8:00

stopped.

8:03

Oh, yeah, I like this episode.

8:04

Yes.

8:05

On Sunday, February 21.

8:05

Buzzsprout was the victim of a

8:09

cyber attack.

8:11

This is a very good episode.

8:13

It was our best episode.

8:13

Shout out to Travis, who worked

8:16

nonstop that week.

8:17

Changed it up a bit.

8:18

Yeah, it was a beautiful

8:18

episode. So there were several

8:22

interviews about the DDoS

8:22

attack. How many talking heads

8:26

are there in that episode? And

8:26

this is for the tiebreaker.

8:30

Does Travis count?

8:32

Yeah, Travis counts.

8:35

I'm gonna go seven.

8:36

I like seven too, but I

8:36

don't want to guess seven. So

8:39

I'll go eight.

8:40

You'll go eight.

8:40

But I count seven.

8:42

All right, the answer is

8:42

8.

8:45

8. Boom.

8:47

Kevin!

8:48

You should have let me guess first, I would have guessed seven.

8:49

I would have guessed I

8:49

would have taken six. So you had

8:52

it.

8:52

So I wonder who I didn't

8:52

get. I got Tom, John, Travis,

8:56

Kevin, Alban, Priscilla is in

8:56

there, Darknet Diaries. Jack.

9:02

Jack Rhysider

9:03

Jack Rhysider.

9:04

And I think Traywick.

9:05

Was Traywick the eighth?

9:07

Yep,

9:07

Yeah. Traywick. That's

9:07

eight. That was a banger

9:11

episode. You should all go back

9:11

and listen to that again.

9:13

Kevin, congratulations on

9:13

your win. I'll see you here at

9:17

episode 1000.

9:21

It was actually really

9:21

fun going back and listening to

9:24

some of these older episodes,

9:24

trying to find things to do

9:28

little trivia on. And it was

9:28

really interesting because you

9:32

guys never really said in the

9:32

beginning, when you create the

9:35

podcast like what your intention

9:35

with it was like, what did you

9:38

guys have in mind when you

9:38

create Buzzcast? I mean, other

9:40

than the fact that like your

9:40

podcasting company, you should

9:43

have a podcast. Did you know

9:43

what it was gonna?

9:47

No.

9:47

We kind of did. I mean, we knew we're gonna do a roundtable discussion. We're

9:49

going to talk about things that

9:51

are going on in the podcast

9:51

industry. And we're also going

9:54

to try to like address

9:54

podcasting tips and ways to be a

9:58

more successful podcaster and It

9:58

just kind of flowed from there.

10:02

My perspective of it was,

10:02

for a long time, Kevin was like,

10:05

we should start a podcast. And

10:05

I'm like, Dude, I'm working on

10:07

this blog stuff. We should start

10:07

a podcast. This newsletter is

10:11

really starting to take off.

10:11

Dude, I think we should do a

10:13

POC. I think I'm gonna hire this

10:13

guy I met in the Facebook group,

10:16

Travis to help us do a podcast.

10:16

I was like, what? Where did this

10:20

come from? We need to have a

10:20

podcast. Then we started

10:25

Buzzcast. That sound accurate,

10:25

Kevin?

10:28

Yeah, that's not too far

10:28

off from how it happened.

10:31

I mean, there is something to be said. Like, I constantly would go to

10:33

conferences, and everyone be

10:36

talking about their podcast, and

10:36

then we would tell them, we're

10:38

from Buzzsprout. We talked about

10:38

Buzzsprout and then go, Oh,

10:41

cool. I know about that. Do you

10:41

guys have a podcast? Oh, no, no,

10:44

we don't have a podcast. Okay,

10:44

and, you know, kept thinking

10:48

like making excuses for it. And

10:48

it's, um, we have to kind of be

10:51

like, if you're making a product

10:51

for people, and you don't do the

10:55

thing they do, you're not really

10:55

going to know how to solve their

10:59

problem as well as you could, as

10:59

not saying like, everybody has

11:03

to use their product. But I

11:03

think you're gonna get much

11:05

better results if you use your

11:05

own product. And so creating

11:09

Buzzcast I know that that led to

11:09

a lot of features and ideas for

11:13

Buzzsprout. Because we would be

11:13

working on something and Kevin

11:16

go, ha, this is kind of a goofy

11:16

way this works. I'm going to

11:19

pitch to the rest of the team

11:19

that we change it. And so it

11:21

would lead to making a big change.

11:23

Yeah, I 100% agree. I

11:23

mean, I would even say it's

11:27

stronger than that, though,

11:27

because we have built software

11:29

products in the past that we

11:29

didn't use that much. It's not

11:33

that you can't build a good

11:33

product, but it's not going to

11:35

be excellent, not going to be

11:35

best in class. And so if you're

11:39

building a product that you use

11:39

every day, then you're going to

11:41

find all the little pain points

11:41

that everyone is using the

11:44

product bumps into from time to

11:44

time, they're gonna annoy you to

11:47

the point where they're gonna be

11:47

prioritized. It's hard to

11:50

prioritize things that you only

11:50

hear from your customers once in

11:53

a while. But if you're bumping

11:53

into them, too, then you're

11:57

gonna fix them. And so usually,

11:57

product builders, like always

12:00

want to chase the new stuff,

12:00

it's more fun to build new than

12:02

it is to go back and fix

12:02

something old. But if you

12:05

continue to feel the pain of

12:05

that old, then you're going to

12:08

make it better. And so I think

12:08

that's one of the reasons that

12:10

Buzzsprout is as good as it is,

12:10

is because we've got a lot of

12:13

people on the team that like to

12:13

podcast. And so we use our own

12:15

product quite a bit. And you

12:15

just don't have as much stuff in

12:18

the product that is just

12:18

annoying or buggy or Gosh, that

12:21

can be better if it did this.

12:21

Like that stuff gets worked out

12:24

pretty quick, because so many people on the team use it. Because just last night, James

12:26

Cridland shot me an email and

12:29

just said, Hey, I hooked up, or

12:29

it was two months ago, I hooked

12:32

up this podroll idea, this new

12:32

element that we're talking about

12:35

in the namespace project to

12:35

Podnews Daily podcast. And then

12:39

I was like, Oh, that's a really

12:39

great idea. Let's just start

12:42

using it and see how this thing,

12:42

because it's right now it's a

12:44

concept. And so James is like, let's just put it into production and see if it

12:46

actually does what we want it to

12:48

do. And so I went ahead and put

12:48

it on Buzzcast. And then I

12:51

emailed James back, we host his

12:51

Podnews Weekly Review show. And

12:54

so I said, Hey, do you want to

12:54

put a podroll in your weekly

12:56

review? And then he wrote back

12:56

and said, Yes. And I said, Hey,

12:59

why don't you hook up? You're on

12:59

Podnews. Why don't you make it.

13:02

So if you're looking at a show

13:02

on pod news, it shows the shows

13:06

that they are recommending in

13:06

their podroll. So podroll is

13:09

this concept borrowed from the

13:09

old blog days. I don't know if

13:12

I've talked about this before.

13:12

So the original term was a blog

13:15

roll. If you had a blog, like in

13:15

the 90s, it wouldn't be uncommon

13:18

in like the left hand sidebar,

13:18

right hand sidebar, to have

13:21

other blogs that are your

13:21

friends or your buddies or blogs

13:24

that you read or just

13:24

recommendations. And so the idea

13:27

came from that. So blog rolls

13:27

were cool, because it was a way

13:29

to find blogs that are similar

13:29

to the one that you were

13:31

reading. And so this idea,

13:31

podroll, came along. Why are we

13:35

like, why is the podcasts

13:35

industry reliant on algorithms

13:39

to suggest what I might want to

13:39

listen to? Why don't we just let

13:41

the podcasters make their own

13:41

recommendations. And so now if

13:44

you go to podnews.net, and

13:44

search for a podcast go search

13:48

for Buzzcast.

13:49

Right now?

13:54

Yeah, James and I hooked

13:54

this up.

13:57

All right, click on

13:57

Buzzcast Yep. It's hosted by

14:00

Alban Brooke, Jordan Blair and

14:00

Kevin Finn. Other shows you

14:03

might enjoy pod news weekly

14:03

review, Podcasting 2.0, How to

14:08

Start a Podcast, Podcasting Q&A

14:08

and Podcasting in Real Life.

14:13

Oh, cool.

14:14

That's pretty neat, right?

14:15

This is our podroll?

14:16

That's our pod roll. And

14:16

so I can put whatever shows I

14:18

want in there, I can put as many

14:18

as I want. I just started with

14:20

those five. So three other shows

14:20

that we do from Buzzsprout and

14:24

two shows that we like a lot. So

14:24

putting his weekly review we

14:27

sponsor and podcasts into auto

14:27

show we listened to and that's

14:30

like where this stuff is

14:30

happening. But I could put as

14:32

many shows in here as I want.

14:33

It's like the MySpace top

14:33

eight for podcasts.

14:38

I was never big MySpace person, but I'd get the reference.

14:40

There was a lot of drama around those.

14:42

MySpace may have been

14:42

like my favorite of all the

14:45

social medias. It was like so

14:45

intense like you saw you're on

14:48

someone's top eight but then you

14:48

saw you like dropped a spot and

14:51

somebody else was up there.

14:51

Yeah. And like you dated anyone.

14:54

You had to put them number one

14:54

and then one of your friends is

14:56

getting kicked off.

14:57

Yeah, so this is exactly

14:57

the same thing. This is The

15:00

exactly the same,

15:01

exactly the same thing.

15:01

So if you date someone, you have

15:03

to put them in your podroll.

15:04

And this is limited to

15:04

eight right now, because this is

15:06

a very simple idea that we're

15:06

kicking around. But wouldn't it

15:09

be better if you were listening

15:09

like in overcast or Pocket Casts

15:12

or something, you're listening

15:12

to an episode, you click on the

15:15

podcast, and you're like, let me

15:15

see what other podcasts this

15:17

podcast or recommends? Like,

15:17

what are they like? Yeah, they

15:20

could change them. They could

15:20

change them weekly, monthly,

15:23

yearly leaving forever doesn't

15:23

matter. I could put other shows

15:25

they do, or just other shows they like or it's very similar

15:28

to what pod chaser has

15:28

done on their site where you can

15:32

like, choose your I think they

15:32

actually do have a top eight or

15:35

top six for podcasts?

15:38

Yeah, they have something like that. Yeah. But it's not open podcast compliance, not in

15:40

the RSS. Exactly. Yeah, only for

15:44

pod chaser. So that doesn't work

15:44

for me. So it has to be in the

15:46

RSS feed.

15:47

And they don't have an

15:47

app. So yeah, it's kind of hard

15:49

to use. So it would be really

15:49

great if it wasn't the RSS feed.

15:53

So anyway, I want to

15:53

share about that fun, little fun

15:56

side project in the podcast

15:56

world that James and I were

15:59

kicking around the last couple days.

16:30

Yeah. And because you're

16:30

in the space, and you're

16:33

embedded in it, and you're

16:33

making changes, something like

16:35

that can come together really,

16:35

really quickly versus something

16:39

that takes years of people

16:39

asking and pushing for and

16:43

negotiating. And eventually

16:43

something comes out that doesn't

16:46

really do the thing everyone's

16:46

been asking for to do. Instead,

16:48

it could just start happening.

16:48

And you can experiment with it.

16:52

I can't tell you how many times

16:52

I've used, you know, our

16:55

Buzzcast going oh, cool if

16:55

people did this with their shout

16:58

out. So like, go and do it and

16:58

then get looking. Absolutely.

17:00

Yeah, actually, that is

17:00

experience. Now we can start

17:02

telling people to do it. Because

17:02

we have some real life

17:05

experience. Yeah. And you

17:06

know what else you can do with that pod roll. You can do things like hey, the first

17:08

person to boost me 50,000 SATs

17:12

or more from this episode is

17:12

going to my pod roll for the

17:15

next week.

17:16

Is that an offer?

17:18

I mean, I'm just saying

17:18

you could do it. I don't know

17:20

what the legal ramifications of

17:20

that are. Like, if I have to say

17:25

their sponsor. I'm just saying,

17:25

theoretically, you could

17:28

I think Jordan say are

17:28

you doing that right now? Are we

17:30

gonna end up with people

17:30

boosting us 50,000 SATs right

17:34

now go ahead. Like, all right,

17:34

put me in the pot roll. Like,

17:37

I'll show up on one page on pod

17:37

news that let me get on there.

17:40

Yeah, you can even say

17:40

like 50,000 SAT or more boost

17:43

puts you in the one spot the

17:43

first one. But then any other

17:48

50,000 SAT or more boosts would

17:48

go in the 234 spot if there's

17:51

multiple. So you could do all

17:51

sorts of things. And like

17:53

10,000, sat booths, you know, or

17:53

more, but less than 50 could go

17:58

at the end of the pod roll. You

17:58

could do all sorts of things.

18:01

That's a great idea.

18:01

And I'm not saying we're

18:01

doing any of them. But next

18:05

episode, we might have a lot

18:05

more shows on our pod roll.

18:08

Kevin over the years, do

18:08

you feel like the show has

18:10

changed the goals that we have

18:10

for the show? Or do you feel

18:14

like it's still pretty similar

18:14

to what we started with?

18:17

Yeah, I don't I don't

18:17

know. I don't know that there

18:20

was any goals that have changed.

18:20

I mean, our goals were to

18:24

connect with people who use

18:24

Buzzsprout, right, and give them

18:27

a little bit of insight into how

18:27

we think maybe a little bit

18:30

about the direction that we're

18:30

thinking to go next, give them

18:32

an opportunity to interact,

18:32

which we've been pushing into a

18:35

lot more recently. So connecting

18:35

with people, and really just

18:39

sharing what's going on in our

18:39

world as we interact in the

18:42

world of podcasting as part of

18:42

our job, and sharing that with

18:45

people who don't do it as a job,

18:45

but do it as a hobby and as a

18:48

passion. And so maybe there was

18:48

a little bit of like podcasting

18:51

can be lonely too. And we would

18:51

meet customers at conferences,

18:56

and they would appreciate the

18:56

opportunity to speak podcasting

18:59

with other people who were into

18:59

podcasting. And so the show was

19:02

also a way for us to at least

19:02

have some sort of connection

19:05

with them on a more regular

19:05

basis, you know, not just

19:07

waiting for conferences, and not

19:07

everybody can go to conferences,

19:10

and all that other kinds of

19:10

stuff. So I think those that

19:13

stuff, still, those goals are

19:13

still there, at a high level, it

19:17

might have changed, like the

19:17

different segments that we do on

19:19

the show, or the different bits

19:19

or you know, boosting or not

19:23

boosting or interacting with an

19:23

audience this way, or having

19:25

guests on more or less. Like of

19:25

course, that stuff has changed a

19:28

lot. We've tried a lot of

19:28

different things. But I think

19:31

the goals are still the same.

19:31

And I think they I think they

19:33

should be no matter what we try

19:33

or what works or what doesn't

19:36

like the goal, those main core

19:36

reasons why we started Buzzcast

19:40

I think those are still true.

19:42

I think one of the

19:42

benefits, I don't know if this

19:44

was intended or not. Before

19:44

doing Buzzcast Our main

19:47

connections to customers were at

19:47

conferences or people who were

19:52

in support. And you know, the

19:52

positives of support are you're

19:55

learning what's wrong with the

19:55

product or what's not super

19:57

clear. And so you can start

19:57

clearing that up. But it's

20:00

mostly like solving a problem.

20:00

You aren't getting as many

20:03

engagements where people are saying, hey, this thing is actually working really well for

20:05

me, and I really enjoy it. And

20:08

Buzzcast has helped us connect

20:08

with the customers who enjoy

20:12

Buzzsprout the most who really

20:12

enjoy the mission. They really

20:16

understand what we're trying to

20:16

do in podcasting. They love

20:19

podcasting themselves, most

20:19

likely. And now when we get to

20:22

conferences, every once in a

20:22

while, we'll meet people who are

20:25

like I've been listening to

20:25

Buzzcast since the beginning. I

20:27

love it and I'm all He's like,

20:27

so excited to meet those people.

20:31

Because it's just a very

20:31

different experience than

20:34

somebody reaching out saying,

20:34

Hey, I think there's something

20:36

broken with this part of

20:36

Buzzsprout. Or I'm not

20:38

understanding how to do this.

20:38

It's just a, like a pleasure and

20:41

a joy to get to talk to somebody

20:41

who's listened to Buzzcast has

20:44

kind of been on the journey with us.

20:46

What about you, Kevin? What's something that you've enjoyed the absolute most from

20:48

during the show?

20:51

Definitely not the cohosts.

20:53

Well, let me say this.

20:53

Podcasting is, I enjoy

20:56

podcasting. But it's it for me,

20:56

it's kind of like going to a

21:00

social event with my wife, like,

21:00

I never want to go, I never want

21:03

to go, I'm introverted by

21:03

nature. And so like, she says,

21:07

Oh, it's, you know, let's say it's Tuesday. And she's like, Hey, some friends are going out

21:09

Friday, do you want to go? I do

21:11

not. I do not want to go? The

21:11

answer is always no. However, I

21:17

know that if I go, I will have

21:17

fun. And so I forced myself. And

21:22

she helps me sometimes. But I

21:22

forced myself to say yes, even

21:25

though in the moment, the answer

21:25

is no, I do not want to go. But

21:27

yes, I'll go, let's commit

21:27

because I know once I go, I'll

21:29

have fun. I'll be glad that I

21:29

did. And podcasting for me is

21:32

very much the same way. I don't

21:32

ever get excited about coming to

21:36

podcasts, like, because I'm like

21:36

putting energy out and that's

21:39

draining. For me. It's hard.

21:39

Like, I would rather just stay

21:42

in my comfort zone. But every

21:42

time I do it, I enjoy it. And

21:46

I'm glad we did. I like the

21:46

episodes, I think we're doing

21:48

something good and valuable. I

21:48

know we've got lots of room to

21:51

improve and grow. But I mean,

21:51

I'll just share that because

21:54

maybe there's other people who

21:54

feel like that, too. Maybe

21:56

there's other podcasters, who are a little bit more introverted, and it just feels

21:57

like it's hard to kind of get

22:00

excited to get on the mic and do

22:00

your podcast. But at the end of

22:04

it, you're always grateful. I

22:04

really am glad that we podcast,

22:07

I'm always excited when the show

22:07

is over. I'm excited when the

22:09

show comes out on Friday. It's

22:09

hard to get amped up. But it's

22:12

like, I'm really glad that I'm a podcaster.

22:15

One thing that has

22:15

changed a lot has been our

22:18

setups. I feel like we used to

22:18

record in person. Yeah. And then

22:22

I guess it was COVID. That got

22:22

us to start recording

22:25

separately. And obviously now

22:25

with Jordan being an Idaho and

22:29

us being in Florida, it's

22:29

required for us to have like

22:32

these remote interviews. But

22:32

back when we started, it was all

22:36

around the road caster in the

22:36

office. Recording in person is a

22:40

different experience. But it's

22:40

been a long time since we've

22:42

recorded in person.

22:44

Yeah, I know a lot of the

22:44

country, a lot of the world was

22:46

shut down for a long period of

22:46

time. But in Florida, it was

22:48

only required. I think for two

22:48

or three weeks like it was only

22:53

mandated that officers were

22:53

closed. And so we did it remote.

22:56

And then I remember after the

22:56

office opened back up, we still

22:59

didn't like everyone didn't come

22:59

back, it's still to this day,

23:01

it's kind of you know, work in

23:01

the office as much as you want

23:03

no one's required to. And I

23:03

think we tried to get everyone

23:07

back in the office. But at that

23:07

point, I think it was a Travis

23:11

or it might have been like, it's

23:11

actually a little bit easier to

23:14

record remotely because you

23:14

don't have mic bleed from being

23:17

together in the same room. And

23:17

so I think he was saying,

23:19

actually, the editing is easier

23:19

when I'm getting all individual

23:22

clean tracks from everybody. And

23:22

there's no mic lead on anybody's

23:24

track, I do miss the in person

23:24

thing a bit like it's a little

23:28

bit easier to siphon energy off

23:28

other people if you're feeling a

23:31

little bit low when you're in

23:31

the same room. So even like

23:34

Jordan has a lot energy today

23:34

Alba and I are a little bit low,

23:36

it's a little bit hard to

23:36

transfer that through Riverside.

23:40

I feel like if we were in the

23:40

same room, we would pull some of

23:42

that energy, but remote, you

23:42

don't really get that. But other

23:45

than that, like the technology

23:45

to do it is great. It's really

23:49

amazing. I think also in 2019,

23:49

when we started I mean,

23:51

Riverside didn't exist, there

23:51

was a tool called Zen caster, I

23:55

think they're still around.

23:55

Squad cast wasn't out yet. A lot

23:58

of people were recording with

23:58

Skype, Zoom didn't really have

24:00

all the high quality audio stuff

24:00

dialed in yet or built into

24:03

their product that all came

24:03

later. So the technology has

24:07

evolved to make this a lot

24:07

easier and better. And that same

24:11

time the world changed like most

24:11

people are, you know, working

24:13

from home, a lot of people are anyway.

24:15

Yeah. And I understand

24:15

like the energy part of it too.

24:18

I mean, you can come into a

24:18

recording session with a lot of

24:20

energy. And then by the end of

24:20

it, you almost get that like

24:24

feeling of like zoom fatigue,

24:24

when you're just on like a video

24:27

chat for like a little bit too

24:27

long, and your head starts

24:29

hurting and you're just feel

24:29

tired. So I do get that a little

24:34

bit sometimes

24:37

I don't know if that's

24:37

accurate, but I find that I

24:43

don't get it as much if I can't

24:43

see myself. But if you look down

24:54

and you see Oh, there I am on

24:54

the screen. Oh, I look kind of

24:57

silly doing this or that. Like I

24:57

think that stuff is

25:00

exceptionally draining. So if

25:00

anyone from Riverside is

25:04

listening, some sort of hide

25:04

yourself view I would totally

25:07

take you up on that offer.

25:08

Yeah, I mean, it's sort

25:08

of like your attentions being

25:10

split two ways, because you're

25:10

trying to listen to the person

25:12

that you're talking to. But then

25:12

you're also trying to like pay

25:15

attention to whatever you're

25:15

doing. And so it makes sense to

25:19

me that that would fatigue you a

25:19

little bit faster if you're

25:22

basically like monitoring two

25:22

things at once. So I saw this

25:30

article on TechCrunch about how

25:30

Kevin Costner has a location

25:35

based audio app. And it's really

25:35

funny because I actually saw

25:40

this app on Shark Tank.

25:42

Kevin Costner the actor.

25:44

Yeah. He's like a

25:44

partner in it or something like

25:47

that, um, he wasn't in the Shark

25:47

Tank episode, it was someone

25:51

else. But it's called Autio. And

25:51

it's A-U-T-I-O. And they use GPS

25:57

to, like, tell stories based on

25:57

like, where you travel. It's

26:00

basically for somebody that

26:00

likes to be on a road trip and

26:04

sort of have like a travel

26:04

guide, or hear a story about

26:07

like, where they're at. And I

26:07

remember seeing this, and I was

26:11

like, Ooh, that could be really

26:11

cool for podcasting. And it

26:15

looks like iheart has also

26:15

partnered up with Autio at this

26:19

point, too. So I'm kind of

26:19

wondering if there's going to be

26:22

podcasts available within their

26:22

app to that can be triggered by

26:25

GPS locations. And I'll be

26:25

really cool, especially if you

26:29

had like a local podcast or a

26:29

podcast, like a History podcast

26:34

that was about certain areas,

26:34

and you're able to, like drop a

26:38

pin of where an episode should

26:38

be about, like, that'd be really

26:41

cool.

26:41

What was the app that

26:41

first started this called? Kevin

26:44

was like, Satchel?

26:45

You're asking me if I know?

26:47

Yeah, there was an app,

26:47

I'm just pulling this out like

26:50

this has got to be six, seven

26:50

years ago, I think there's an

26:53

app called satchel. And the

26:53

whole idea was it was a podcast

26:56

app that you were looking for

26:56

podcasts based on where they are

27:00

from. And I think they were

27:00

manually tagging it back then.

27:04

And I don't know if anything

27:04

came of it. I haven't seen them

27:08

any podcast conferences the last

27:08

few years. But inside of

27:12

Buzzsprout, you can indicate,

27:12

hey, my podcast is about this

27:15

specific area. And you can put

27:15

it in and it goes into the

27:18

location tag. And so this is

27:18

available for podcast apps. I

27:22

mean, a lot of that data is

27:22

provided by podcasters, saying,

27:26

hey, this was a podcast about

27:26

the history of St. Augustine,

27:29

Florida. And so if you wanted to

27:29

surface things about St.

27:33

Augustine, when somebody was in

27:33

St. Augustine, they could see

27:36

it.

27:36

And you can do that by episode?

27:38

Yeah, yeah, exactly the

27:38

location tag that can live at

27:42

the channel or item level. So in

27:42

plain speak, that is at the

27:45

podcast or episode level, the

27:45

intention of it is to talk about

27:49

what the content is about, not

27:49

where you live. So you could you

27:53

might live in North Dakota, but

27:53

you podcast about Disney World

27:56

in Orlando, Florida. So your

27:56

location data would be to

27:58

Orlando, Florida, not where you

27:58

live. Yeah. And then there's a

28:01

lot of travel podcasts that

28:01

every episode is a different

28:03

location. So you can tag each

28:03

location at the episode level.

28:08

Yep, it's available within

28:08

Buzzsprout. At the podcast

28:10

level, we haven't drilled down

28:10

to the individual episode level

28:13

yet, because we're just waiting

28:13

for people to ask for it,

28:15

basically, to prioritize it. But

28:15

we introduced it at the podcast

28:19

level. And I think quite a few

28:19

shows have turned it on. I've

28:21

seen a lot of location data

28:21

coming through. We don't use it

28:24

for our show, because our show

28:24

is not location specific. So

28:27

again, it's not just a marker of

28:27

where the hosts reside.

28:31

Yeah, don't put your

28:31

house. You're not trying to dox

28:35

yourself. Have you ever, either

28:35

of you, ever gone on a vacation,

28:39

and there's these apps that you

28:39

can download? I remember one of

28:43

my friends went to Hawaii and

28:43

told us about it. And what it

28:46

did is it when you turned it on,

28:46

it would monitor your GPS

28:49

location. And as you drove by a

28:49

landmark, it would be like a

28:54

tour guide. And it would play

28:54

audio and be like, on your left

28:57

is blah, blah, blah site. And it

28:57

was discovered by this person.

29:01

And this is like what the local

29:01

culture is. And then you'd go

29:05

and it's like, here's a famous

29:05

coffee shop. It would like tell

29:08

you as you drove through area,

29:08

so you learn about you know,

29:12

everything that was there if either of you ever used one of those?

29:14

No, I haven't.

29:16

I have used them in a

29:16

museum. I've taken audio tours.

29:18

You are at Marker 32 the

29:18

DaVinci painting. Yeah,

29:24

No, I haven't used

29:24

those. That sounds like what

29:26

this app is doing. With the

29:26

stories of like landmarks and

29:30

cities and stuff.

29:31

Yeah, it could be a bit

29:31

much. I mean, are they trying to

29:33

tag episodes or entire podcast?

29:33

Because,

29:36

It's episodes.

29:37

Okay, there's probably a little bit easier.

29:39

I mean, well, they're

29:39

not saying episodes or podcasts,

29:42

they are saying stories. So what

29:42

they've done is they've had like

29:47

voiceover artists record these

29:47

stories in their like two to

29:51

four minutes long. And right

29:51

now, it's not necessarily a

29:55

podcast, but I just I feel like

29:55

they could move into that where

30:00

maybe it does suggest podcasts

30:00

based on location or episodes

30:03

based on location.

30:05

Yeah, it seems crazy. The

30:05

beginning of the articles is

30:07

that they've raised $5.9 million

30:07

and Kevin Costner's involved and

30:12

he has other actors like

30:12

Costner's recording stories

30:14

himself. John Lithgow is Phil

30:14

Jackson. They're all recording

30:17

stories and putting them into

30:17

the stuff like that's a lot of

30:19

money. Like it's solid guys. No

30:19

offense, but you could just

30:22

podcast and drop a location on

30:22

there. It doesn't cost 5 million

30:27

or $5.9 million To build a

30:27

really good podcast player app

30:31

that has location data, so, yes,

30:31

if anybody knows Kevin Costner,

30:36

you should shoot him an email, let them know.

30:38

I'm sure Kevin Costner

30:38

and his 5.9 million would love

30:41

to hear, Oh, this thing already

30:41

existed years ago.

30:44

Yeah, well, the

30:44

technology exists, like you have

30:46

to build on top of it. Like

30:46

that's the opportunity for them

30:49

is to create a really great

30:49

podcast listening experience

30:51

that uses the technology that

30:51

already exists in the world of

30:53

podcasting, and just build upon

30:53

that. And then it would also be

30:56

open you could also like get

30:56

listeners from all over the

30:58

place.

30:58

So that's probably why

30:58

Mark Cuban didn't invest in it.

31:02

He was just like, this is

31:02

already here, and I'm gonna

31:04

build it myself.

31:06

I think Mark Cuban was

31:06

probably a little bit over

31:09

investing in the podcast space

31:09

after trying multiple times to

31:13

get fireside chat to work. And

31:13

now, we just saw this news,

31:18

Reddit chat and Facebook chat

31:18

and Spotify chat. I don't

31:23

remember what that was called.

31:23

But all of them are pretty much

31:25

shut down. Now. Everyone

31:25

realized audio chat rooms were a

31:29

fad. There were a lot of fun

31:29

when clubhouse first popped on.

31:33

But now everyone's kind of like,

31:33

alright, we listened to a lot of

31:36

chat rooms, and some of them

31:36

were fun, but that moment seems

31:39

to have passed.

31:40

All right, well, best of

31:40

luck, Costner. Check out

31:43

podcasting. Might be more

31:43

beneficial for you. Did you hear

31:51

Adam Curry talking about your

31:51

analogy bit from the last

31:54

episode, Alban?

31:55

I feel like I'm like an

31:55

hour and a half into Podcasting

31:59

2.0 and I still haven't made it there.

32:01

I have it. Do you want me to play it?

32:03

Yeah, let's listen.

32:04

Okay,

32:04

So there is a very good

32:04

explanation. And I'm like Oh,

32:10

okay, cuz I've heard you know,

32:10

couple of varying things. And

32:15

then they get into analogies,

32:15

which was a hilarious bit you

32:19

know, and I think it was maybe

32:19

Alban did a did analogy, which

32:22

was, which was great. Except

32:22

that doesn't work for women. So

32:25

I was like, completely

32:25

completely misogynist. And like,

32:27

Oh dude you, I knew that he was

32:27

going down that road.

32:31

I'm just glad someone finally said something.

32:33

I know. Jordan and I

32:33

like,

32:37

I was not I was not

32:37

misogynistic at all. I was, if

32:41

anything, I was calling out

32:41

clothing manufacturers.

32:45

Like it's been rough man.

32:45

And we've needed, like Jordan

32:49

and I we've needed like a Kramer

32:49

in our relationship we needed

32:52

somebody could just come in and

32:52

give it to straight and finally

32:54

Adam curry is our Kramer he is

32:54

the one who's telling you what

32:57

does that makes me George? No,

32:57

no, you remember the Seinfeld

33:00

episode where like Jerry was dating the girl who was beautiful, but her haircut was

33:02

terrible. And so they're like

33:05

somebody needs to tell her that.

33:05

And they're like Kramer, Kramer.

33:08

I'll tell her and then finally

33:08

Kramer comes in. And he's like,

33:10

I love the hair. The hair is

33:10

awesome. The other thing so Adam

33:19

called you out your misogynistic

33:19

analogies can no longer play?

33:25

Yeah, that was in reference to

33:25

the podcast project and Alban

33:28

making the analogy about some

33:28

something about T shirt sizes,

33:30

how there's a standard for T

33:30

shirt sizes, but it doesn't work

33:33

for women, because women t shirt

33:33

sizes are not standardized.

33:36

Right?

33:36

Well, yeah. So I feel

33:36

like I'm advocating for

33:39

standardization. I'm not saying

33:39

this is a great system, it works

33:43

perfectly.

33:46

Works good for me, don't

33:46

change it. Right. Yeah, they

33:51

actually clipped like a really,

33:51

really, really long bit from our

33:55

podcast. And

33:56

Yeah, so I thought that

33:56

that would be a fun way to

33:59

discuss this question which I

33:59

have, which I mean, I am

34:03

grilled, by the way, so don't

34:03

take this the wrong way. I'm

34:05

thrilled that they took a big

34:05

clip section of our podcast last

34:09

week and used it in the

34:09

podcasting to auto podcast. But

34:12

I was wondering, like, what if

34:12

you weren't? What if you weren't

34:15

Okay, what if somebody clipped

34:15

your show? And you weren't okay

34:17

with it? Is it legal?

34:19

Like clipped your show?

34:19

Like grabbed a clip from your

34:22

podcast and then played it and

34:22

then did some commentary?

34:24

Right. So like, we know

34:24

you can't do this with music

34:27

with like copyrighted published

34:27

music, because the record labels

34:30

will come after you if you do

34:30

that, but other people's

34:32

podcasts. So if your podcast

34:32

itself gets clipped and using

34:36

somebody else's show, and let's

34:36

say like for us, we're totally

34:39

we're thrilled. Like, please do

34:39

that. All you want anybody

34:42

listening to this? If we say

34:42

anything good, please spread it

34:44

as far and wide as you can. And

34:44

if it's bad, just ignore it. If

34:48

it's bad, yeah, please do not

34:48

leave yourself. Right. But I

34:52

thought we could have a conversation about that. Like, do we know what the rules are?

34:54

Legally? Ethically morally?

34:58

Should you ask before you do it?

34:58

Do you not have to ask me like,

35:02

maybe you should? I don't know.

35:02

Again, we just clipped and I'm

35:06

assuming we're gonna use that in

35:06

this episode. So we just clipped

35:08

the Podcasting Q&A. Now. We

35:08

didn't ask Adam but he did to

35:11

us. So I felt like hey, then we

35:11

can do it. Right? Is that how

35:14

this stuff works?

35:14

I don't know. Obviously,

35:14

once it's in a fixed medium,

35:18

then you have a copyright. You

35:18

know, your original audio. So

35:22

you have a copyright right to

35:22

your podcast audio. And so maybe

35:26

you could claim copyright

35:26

infringement. Maybe There's a

35:29

fair use argument. So I'm not

35:29

sure exactly how the legal side

35:34

of it would go. I think mostly

35:34

people are posting a podcast

35:38

because they want people to find

35:38

out about it. And so they'd be

35:41

thrilled for the promotion, the

35:41

times you're gonna run into

35:44

issues are excessively long

35:44

clips where people feel like

35:48

it's competitive with their

35:48

podcast, or when you're

35:52

critiquing it. And so I know,

35:52

we've seen this in support,

35:55

where there's podcasts, there's

35:55

like, big groups of podcasts are

35:58

all around the same area. And so

35:58

sometimes, I don't know if

36:02

gossipy is the right word, but

36:02

it's a little bit meta, they'll

36:05

talk about other podcasts in the

36:05

same space as theirs. And

36:08

they'll go on this podcast, they're saying this, and they play a clip. And they're like, I

36:10

totally disagree. I think that's

36:13

stupid. And then every once in a

36:13

while, someone will find out and

36:16

they'll be like, your podcaster

36:16

is sharing clips of my show on

36:21

their show. And I don't like it.

36:21

And we will mostly the

36:25

resolution is reaching out to

36:25

the Buzzsprout hosted show if

36:28

they're the ones that did the

36:28

clipping, and we say, Hey, could

36:31

you remove these clips? And

36:31

almost every time we've ever

36:33

asked people have done it. But I

36:33

don't know, morally do I think

36:37

it's wrong? I feel like if

36:37

you're posting it online, out

36:40

there for everybody, if somebody

36:40

wants to say, Hey, I didn't like

36:44

this bit, as long as they're not

36:44

like taking it out of context,

36:47

which is, I think, unethical. I

36:47

think like, it's kind of fair

36:51

game a little bit, you are

36:51

sharing it with the world.

36:53

Yeah, I want to hear back

36:53

from anybody who's listening.

36:56

Who knows about this. I mean,

36:56

again, if you're friendly with

36:59

the other podcasters, can't

36:59

imagine it's going to be a

37:01

problem. But you do probably run

37:01

the risk of like, I don't know

37:04

what kind of legal exposure you

37:04

have. But you could certainly

37:07

burn a relationship, if you clip

37:07

them and talk about them in a

37:10

way that they don't love. And

37:10

then they asked you to take it

37:12

down or not do it again. And you

37:12

don't want to do that I can

37:15

hurt. So I guess permission

37:15

upfront never hurts. But, again,

37:19

we were honored to be Clift

37:19

doesn't matter for us. I don't

37:23

know, a lot of podcasts, do

37:23

that. A lot of podcasts, use

37:25

clips from other podcasts and talk about them.

37:27

And documentaries, and

37:27

like TV shows and stuff like

37:30

that. I listen to a lot of

37:30

podcasts that will have clips

37:33

from documentaries, and then

37:33

they'll talk about it. So I

37:36

don't know how to get away with that.

37:38

Yeah, it's going to

37:38

become a bigger issue I'm sure

37:40

once people start putting their

37:40

podcasts on YouTube, like

37:45

they're, they're importing that

37:45

into a YouTube channel, because

37:48

YouTube and Spotify and some of

37:48

these bigger platforms, they're

37:53

checking for copyrighted music.

37:53

And if you're using big segments

37:57

of copyrighted TV shows, or

37:57

documentaries or movies or

38:01

something, those also there's

38:01

got to be some stuff that's

38:04

running, trying to find where

38:04

people are infringing

38:07

copyrights. And so you do open

38:07

yourself up even if it's legally

38:11

not copyright infringement, you

38:11

still do open yourself up to

38:13

DMCA takedowns. And now you're

38:13

fighting that rather than nobody

38:18

ever cared to begin with. So if

38:18

it's another podcaster, I think

38:23

that's one thing. But if you're

38:23

starting to do that, for TV

38:26

shows and music and stuff, now

38:26

you've got companies who they're

38:30

going to try to defend that

38:30

copyright pretty strongly.

38:32

Which reminds me we

38:32

actually was Jordan, you found

38:35

the was an Instagram video of a

38:35

TikTok or YouTube short that

38:40

Travis did a he did it a couple

38:40

years ago, but somebody ripped

38:43

it and posted it back on their

38:43

Instagram accounts. Yeah, yeah.

38:45

Yeah. And they did not

38:45

take it down.

38:46

And then so you filed a

38:46

copyright infringement claim

38:49

against it, right?

38:52

And they did not take it

38:52

down. And then so I did the same

38:54

thing. And they I got the same

38:54

response. Like you didn't show

38:57

enough that you proved it was

38:57

like this Buzzsprout right on

39:01

the video.

39:01

Did we remove Buzzsprout

39:01

Instagram account?

39:04

Well, it's still there, the accounts still there.

39:06

But we deleted all of the

39:06

old content when we said, Okay,

39:09

we're not doing this anymore.

39:09

We've removed it. So I wonder if

39:12

they're like, we don't see that

39:12

content on here. So it must not

39:15

be yours.

39:16

No, because that content

39:16

still lives on YouTube.

39:18

Yeah. Did you point to

39:18

YouTube when you filed the

39:20

copyright infringement?

39:21

Yeah, I did everything.

39:21

Basically, they said it was like

39:24

a bot or an intern that was

39:24

responding. Instagrams policy

39:27

seems to be like, if you want to

39:27

hire a lawyer, you could

39:30

probably get it removed.

39:30

Otherwise, buzz off.

39:33

That was exactly there

39:33

was just like, Yeah, this one

39:35

video of like, Travis, but they

39:35

instead of Podcasting Q&A, they

39:39

put their logo over the top of

39:39

it like just blatantly.

39:43

I love how we talk about

39:43

like, what are the ethics of

39:45

this? You know, what's

39:45

appropriate to get away? You

39:48

know, can you do? Oh, it's

39:48

probably best just to not do it

39:51

unless you have permission. Oh,

39:51

by the way, people are blatantly

39:54

ripping off our YouTube videos

39:54

and posting on Instagram, and

39:57

there's nothing you could do to go

40:01

can't do anything about

40:01

it. I guess just don't take

40:04

someone else's podcast and then

40:04

put your own cover on it. Right.

40:09

That is definitely in the

40:09

unethical pile for sure.

40:15

There was an article in

40:15

The New York Times titled Would

40:18

You Date a Podcast Bro? Saying

40:18

that their reputations have

40:22

caught up to them. And long

40:22

story short,

40:24

why would you want to

40:24

make this long story short?

40:27

Make this short story

40:27

long. First of all, this isn't

40:30

the New York Times like the New

40:30

York Times or like,

40:33

this is in the New York

40:33

Times newspaper. Yep, the

40:37

newspaper, the one and only, and

40:37

women in the dating pool have

40:42

become increasingly turned off

40:42

whenever they find out that a

40:46

guy has a podcast.

40:49

Increasingly,

40:49

increasingly, there was room for

40:52

it to grow. Like, because we

40:52

know it's always been a turn

40:55

off. I've always figured it was

40:55

backed out. But evidently, it

40:57

wasn't completely.

40:58

It was not. And what's

40:58

happening is basically like

41:01

these women are associating men

41:01

who like mentioned that they

41:05

have a podcast or if in their

41:05

dating profile, they say they

41:08

have a podcast, it immediately

41:08

makes them think of the men who

41:12

are, quote, endlessly fascinated

41:12

by his own opinions, loves the

41:15

sound of his own voice, and

41:15

isn't the least bit shy about

41:18

offering unsolicited opinions.

41:20

Accurate.

41:21

Yeah. So men are saying

41:21

like, Oh, crap, this isn't

41:26

working at all. Like, whenever I

41:26

tell someone that I have a

41:29

podcast, they take it as a red

41:29

flag, and then things kind of go

41:31

south on the date. So they're

41:31

starting to like lie about not

41:35

having a podcast, they're

41:35

starting to like not have it in

41:38

their dating profile.

41:39

Yeah, they're closeted

41:39

podcasters.

41:42

Yes, there's a stigma

41:42

around men who podcast.

41:46

Jordan, give us the the

41:46

female perspective on this.

41:49

You've met lots of podcasters.

41:49

Yeah, does this stereotype hold

41:54

up?

41:55

I think that more often

41:55

than not, it probably does hold.

42:00

Is it applied to female

42:00

podcasters as well?

42:03

Not as much. But I can

42:03

say that there are definitely

42:05

like women, podcasters, who are

42:05

a little bit in that camp of

42:10

being highly opinionated and

42:10

loving, like sound of their own

42:12

voice and stuff. I'm hoping I'm

42:12

not in one of them.

42:18

Whenever I come back from

42:18

podcast conferences, I will say

42:22

to my wife, like I've just been

42:22

podcasting that for the last

42:25

four days, like there is a bit

42:25

of everyone who's there is very

42:30

excited to talk to somebody else

42:30

who's into podcasting. And we're

42:34

all used to having ample time to

42:34

share what we think. And people

42:39

are very interested in what we

42:39

think, or at least we imagined

42:41

that they are. And so you can

42:41

feel like you're a little bit in

42:45

a one sided conversation,

42:45

though, in my experience,

42:49

podcasters are not the worst at

42:49

that. I think that most other

42:53

content creators that I've met

42:53

have much more of that I don't

42:57

know a little bit like self

42:57

centered conversation style

43:01

podcasts are seen, in my

43:01

opinion. And this is just a

43:04

content creators I've met

43:04

podcasters are a bit more on the

43:07

like, socially acceptable

43:07

version of that.

43:10

I agree with that.

43:10

Probably one of the things that

43:12

I've run into the most is more

43:12

like the snobby nature of like,

43:16

how one podcasts or what

43:16

podcasts they consume, I think

43:20

that is more of a like little

43:20

"eew' when I'm talking to

43:23

somebody and they kind of give

43:23

me a little bit of like

43:26

arrogance about their podcasting

43:26

style, or what they listen to,

43:29

that kind of annoys me. But I

43:29

mean, other than that, I think

43:32

people are pretty nice on the whole.

43:34

Was this article mostly

43:34

like anybody who podcasts like

43:36

amateur people who podcast for

43:36

hobby or fun, or like

43:40

professional podcasters?

43:41

They actually talk to

43:41

both like there's some people

43:43

who Yeah, the podcast just as a

43:43

hobby, but then there's other

43:46

people who want the guys he was

43:46

a like actual, like,

43:50

professional producer. And I

43:50

mean, I think he did shows for

43:54

like wondery and all these

43:54

different things. But he

43:56

actually said that he was a

43:56

digital marketer or digital

44:00

content creator or something

44:00

like that, like he just straight

44:02

up lied, because he was like, I

44:02

don't want to tell anybody that

44:05

I'm a Podcast Producer.

44:07

Oh, that's terrible. I

44:07

know. So I was joking about the

44:10

closeted thing, like you

44:10

shouldn't have to lie about your

44:13

profession. I think it's there's

44:13

an opportunity to challenge some

44:16

of the podcasts that these

44:16

people are listening to. So if

44:18

you're out on a date, or you

44:18

meet somebody new and you share

44:21

with them that you're a

44:21

podcaster. And for some reason

44:23

that hits them sideways, like

44:23

what a great opportunity to be

44:25

like, Oh, well, you're listening

44:25

to the wrong podcasts, because

44:28

they are not all, you know,

44:28

broadcasts or toxic or garbage.

44:31

Got it. Like there's a lot of

44:31

really great shows with open

44:33

minded people and great

44:33

interviewers. And so somehow

44:36

they got pushed down the wrong

44:36

podcast path. And so now you

44:39

have an opportunity to correct

44:39

that.

44:41

But I wonder like, if

44:41

somebody told me, Oh, I'm

44:44

actually I do workout videos for

44:44

Instagram. I'd be like, Oh, I

44:48

think I know stuff about your

44:48

personality now that I don't

44:52

like and maybe in the same way

44:52

that I think this is not 100%

44:57

accurate, though I do think it

44:57

is somewhat accurate this idea

45:00

of like a broadcaster because

45:00

not all podcasters are like

45:03

that. But there are people who

45:03

the only podcast they've ever

45:06

listened to her like Joe Rogan

45:06

and Andrew Tate and they think

45:09

that's the kind of show they

45:09

want to make. And if you're

45:11

someone who's making that show,

45:11

I know I'm not gonna like you

45:14

and you know, if you were trying

45:14

to date my sister or something,

45:17

I would be not thrilled about

45:17

it. There's also like types of

45:20

tick talkers or type of people

45:20

on Instagram or YouTubers or

45:24

people who try to make Twitter

45:24

their profession. Like there's

45:27

all sorts of negative versions

45:27

of all of this content creators,

45:31

and I don't know, maybe I'm just

45:31

since I'm in the podcasting

45:34

world, I know so many podcasters

45:34

who are not like that. They're

45:37

humble, they're thoughtful.

45:37

They're actually good at having

45:40

a conversation. And they're good

45:40

listeners. So I don't know.

45:43

There's some good broadcasters out there.

45:46

Yeah, I mean, I think

45:46

when I hear that term, I, what I

45:48

think about is like this

45:48

confidence, right? Like people

45:51

like confidence, they're

45:51

attracted to confident people.

45:54

But there's a pretty fine line

45:54

between like the false bravado

45:58

and the True Confidence. Right.

45:58

And I think what happens

46:01

oftentimes, is that some people

46:01

who are new are kind of trying

46:04

to find their footing in content

46:04

creation, sort of come off on

46:09

that false bravado side, right.

46:09

Am I saying this way too nicely?

46:13

Yeah, I saw Tiktok, where

46:13

a guy says, like, well, if you

46:18

have an AmEx, and you don't pay

46:18

it, and then like, XYZ

46:22

incorporated buys that debt,

46:22

well, you don't have to pay it

46:24

because you owe a debt to AmEx,

46:24

not to XYZ debt collections. And

46:29

the guy's like, Oh, nice, good

46:29

point. And it's like, no, that's

46:33

not the point. That's completely

46:33

wrong. You're going and he's

46:37

like, trying to cite laws that

46:37

are just not even totally

46:41

applicable. And I saw because a

46:41

woman after it was like, this is

46:44

why this clip is why we need to

46:44

do background checks before we

46:48

sell microphones. I was like, Is

46:48

there is that like, ultra level

46:57

of confidence that he was right,

46:57

completely terrible financial

47:02

advice that will wreck your

47:02

credit. So if you can spot that

47:06

personality trait, I think

47:06

that's a perfectly legitimate

47:09

red flag.

47:10

That's true. Yeah. I

47:10

think Kevin might have the

47:13

trait. He's just like,

47:13

confidently wrong. Sometimes. He

47:16

says things so confidently, I

47:16

believe in for a second.

47:20

Oh, yeah. This is well

47:20

known in my family is that we

47:23

say all things with full

47:23

confidence, regardless of their

47:27

factor or opinion or theory, or

47:27

just made up on the spot doesn't

47:30

matter. Say it with confidence.

47:30

And then you can you can totally

47:34

reverse it to you don't have to

47:34

like take that to your death.

47:37

I'm sure that we've we

47:37

have this on the podcast where

47:39

I've said, Kevin, do you know

47:39

that? Yeah, or are you guessing

47:43

that you're like guessing? Yeah,

47:44

I think we have like a

47:44

couple episodes where Kevin just

47:47

like unabashedly makes something

47:47

up.

47:50

Well, I think that's the

47:50

bad characteristic, though, is

47:52

like saying something dumb or

47:52

made up and then like fighting

47:55

it and sticking with it the

47:55

whole Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

47:58

Right. Like, if you're just

47:58

honest about like, I really have

48:00

no clue. But I'm just gonna

48:00

present this in confidence and

48:03

hope that it wins you over.

48:03

Nothing wrong with that usually

48:05

does.

48:06

So on the other side of

48:06

podcasts are a red flag; did

48:11

either of you read this article?

48:11

It was on CNN. She fell in love

48:16

with a podcast host and flew

48:16

across the world to meet her. I

48:18

did not Nope. So this is very

48:18

early days of podcasting. And

48:24

it's just a sweet story. So it

48:24

was a podcast, I think in like

48:27

2006. And to haven't started it

48:27

talking kind of about LGBT queue

48:33

issues. And another woman

48:33

started listening in, I think,

48:37

Australia, and then decides,

48:37

like, I'll reach out and just

48:41

said, like, Hey, I've loved the show. I know, you probably get tons of fan mail, but I'm really

48:43

into it. And they read it. And

48:47

they're all like, actually, we

48:47

don't get a ton of fan mail, we

48:50

get a lot of like, people being

48:50

mad at us mail. And so this is

48:53

really nice that we got

48:53

something positive. And they

48:55

invite her onto the show to

48:55

like, say something. And then

48:58

she became a regular guest on

48:58

the show. And then she ends up

49:02

being like, Hey, I'm actually

49:02

going to be in the United States

49:07

on a trip, maybe I could swing

49:07

by and see you. And like things

49:10

lead all the way up to getting

49:10

married to one of the podcast

49:15

hosts Wow, the world listening

49:15

to a podcast. And then they

49:19

ended up together. And it was

49:19

just kind of like a wild story.

49:24

But it was also very sweet. And

49:24

it reminded me so much of like,

49:27

being the listener of a podcast

49:27

and thinking, I really liked

49:31

them. But I'm competent, they

49:31

won't like me, because they

49:34

probably have so many people who

49:34

are interested in talking about

49:37

their show. And she reached out

49:37

and started a romantic

49:41

connection. That's so incredible.

49:43

I feel like this is going to work its way into one of your marketing blogs at some point as

49:45

another monetization strategy,

49:48

Monetization strategy,

49:48

you should start a podcast

49:50

because dating apps aren't working.

49:54

Start a podcast to meet a

49:54

spouse and that's how you

49:57

monetize you just got their

49:57

income now. That's a

50:00

monetization strategy or not.

50:00

That's a monetization strategy

50:03

is a wedding strategy marry if

50:03

you find a rich podcast host,

50:06

So you need to find

50:06

someone who's wealthy and that's

50:10

how you're going to meet them

50:10

and connect

50:12

That should be your goal

50:12

for the next blog post you do

50:15

about monetization is make that

50:15

the number one strategy and try

50:18

to get to the top of Google searches.

50:21

Actually reminds me a

50:21

lot of the story that we covered

50:24

about the fanfiction like the

50:24

the podcast listeners starting

50:28

like fanfiction about the

50:28

podcast hosts. And then, I don't

50:31

think I said this back in the

50:31

time, but you had plenty of time

50:33

listening episode if you want

50:33

to. But one of the girls that

50:35

like wrote the fanfiction

50:35

actually wound up marrying one

50:39

of the hosts.

50:40

Whoa.

50:40

So it's like one of those things like she was just a super fan of the show. And then

50:42

she met him. I don't know if it

50:46

was like at a live show or at a

50:46

bar meet up kind of thing. And

50:50

then they fell in love and got

50:50

married, which is like crazy.

50:54

Yeah, that is, yeah, and

50:54

met someone at Blk Pod Festival.

50:58

And he had a show about

50:58

relationships. And he said it

51:01

actually, I think he put it on

51:01

pause because he would go on

51:04

dates. And every once in a while

51:04

a woman would say like, oh, I

51:08

listened to your podcast. And he

51:08

said it was kind of an awkward

51:11

situation, because they would

51:11

know a lot about him. And they

51:15

would already know that they liked him. Or at least they would imagine, like the

51:17

personality that I've been

51:19

listening to is you all the

51:19

time. And yet he was totally in

51:24

the dark. He didn't know like

51:24

what they were like at all. And

51:27

so kind of put the relationship

51:27

on a weird footing. And so I

51:31

that story kind of stuck with me

51:31

because it is a little bit of a

51:34

strange interaction. If you meet

51:34

in person and you're meeting a

51:38

podcaster you know, you've

51:38

listened to for a long time and

51:41

you really like them. I have no

51:41

idea what to say to them.

51:44

Besides, I really enjoyed the

51:44

podcast. I don't know how to

51:46

take the conversation from

51:46

there. You want to come on too

51:49

strong.

51:54

It's time for Sound-Off,

51:54

the segment where you the

51:58

listener send in your tips,

51:58

tricks, and podcasting advice.

52:02

If you stuck around for the

52:02

very, very bitter end of the

52:06

last episode, you would have

52:06

heard our question for the sound

52:09

off. What are some creative ways

52:09

AI can help your podcast

52:13

workflow? And we got a few

52:13

responses in, the first response

52:17

is from Tom Raftery.

52:19

Hey, Buzzcast crew. My name is Tom Raftery. I have two podcasts with Buzzsprout. I have

52:20

my twice weekly Digital Supply

52:29

Chain podcast, and my weekly

52:29

Climate Confident podcast. And

52:34

because I'm publishing three

52:34

podcast episodes across two

52:37

podcasts each week, I really

52:37

need help. Because I'm a one man

52:41

operation, I really need help in

52:41

streamlining my workflow. So

52:45

I've been using chat GPT

52:45

extensively for my podcasts. So

52:50

chat GPT, launched on November

52:50

30th. Last year, and on December

52:54

1, I set up my account, I use

52:54

the script to do the transcript

52:59

of my podcasts, I then feed Chad

52:59

GPT, my transcription of each

53:04

podcast. And then I get Chachi

53:04

Beatty to help me create social

53:08

copy, blog posts, tweets,

53:08

LinkedIn posts, you know, etc,

53:12

etc, etc. And that helps me

53:12

increase the reach of my

53:16

podcasts. So to give you an idea

53:16

of how my reach has increased, I

53:20

just took a look at the numbers

53:20

for the two podcasts they're

53:23

using. Thanks, guys, the custom

53:23

ability of the stats that that

53:28

was sprout gives you so on my

53:28

climate podcast, because I've

53:33

been using chat GPT. Since

53:33

November, the numbers have gone

53:37

up. Now a huge increase, but

53:37

it's nice. So for March 96 per

53:42

day, versus 73 per day in

53:42

November, the 76% increase,

53:47

because I've been putting out a

53:47

lot more social copy for that

53:49

podcast. Now if we look at my

53:49

supply chain podcast, that

53:53

digital supply chain, same days

53:53

went from 273 per day in

53:58

November to 397 downloads per

53:58

day in March. That's a 68%

54:04

increase. So the numbers have

54:04

been growing month by month by

54:07

month for each of the two

54:07

podcasts. Because I'm putting

54:09

out a lot more social copy and

54:09

putting out a lot more tweets

54:13

and putting out a lot more blog

54:13

posts and putting out a lot more

54:16

LinkedIn posts. AI has been

54:16

phenomenal for me, as I said,

54:20

increased the downloads on my

54:20

podcasts 68% increase on my

54:25

supply chain and a 76% increase

54:25

on my climate podcast. So

54:29

thanks, folks. I hope that helps

54:29

other people out there in the

54:32

podcasting community.

54:33

All right, very cool.

54:33

Thanks to Tom for sending in

54:36

that clip. Those are pretty

54:36

impressive results, you know,

54:39

four month period or so of him

54:39

using Chat GPT to create social

54:44

posts. I wonder if he was doing

54:44

much social posts before that.

54:47

But that's pretty cool to see

54:47

that much growth. And I wonder

54:50

if he's able to track it back

54:50

actually, to any of those social

54:53

posts really getting traction?

54:55

Yeah. And you mentioned

54:55

using it to create like blog

54:58

copy, too. So if he's adding

54:58

that to his website that could

55:01

drive traffic to his website as

55:01

well. So that could be part of

55:04

it, too. But yeah, it is really

55:04

impressive growth.

55:07

Yeah, I'm assuming that

55:07

one of those are both of those

55:10

podcasts or have shorter

55:10

episodes because you said

55:13

something about taking the

55:13

transcript from descript popping

55:15

it into chat GPT Well, I know

55:15

that Chet GPT has limits on the

55:19

amount of stuff that you can

55:19

push in as a prompt to kind of

55:22

train it for your session. And

55:22

like for our podcast episodes

55:25

are too long and transcripts are

55:25

too long, so we can't do that.

55:28

So I'm assuming your episode is a little bit shorter. So that works great for you. But just

55:30

something to be aware of, if you

55:32

do a longer podcast, you might

55:32

not be able to implement that

55:35

without using a different tool

55:35

to do it. I think you can push

55:38

in longer content through the API, but not just through the chat interface. Oh, and also,

55:40

how cool is it to hear Tom's

55:43

voice? We've interacted with Tom

55:43

a few times. Yeah, it's pretty

55:45

cool to hear his voice like I

55:45

pegged him as like a Bostonian.

55:49

Obviously, I was wrong. Way off.

55:53

Listening to Tom's voice.

55:53

I was like, I'm wondering if

55:56

it's the chat GPT that's growing

55:56

the podcast or if it's just

55:58

people are listening to your voice. And you're kind of like, this is really relaxing. Yeah,

56:01

rich, relaxing voice

56:04

Setting it as my sleep podcast.

56:06

Exactly. Kind of on the

56:06

Chat GPT train, I got an email

56:11

from Josie. Josie reached out

56:11

and said I was listening to

56:14

Buzzcast and reminded me of an

56:14

episode of The Chalene Show. Do

56:18

you listen to this?

56:19

Yeah, I know. Chalene

56:19

Johnson, right.

56:22

Chalene Show, I'd never

56:22

heard it or listened to it. But

56:24

then somebody pointed out, she

56:24

was actually at Pat Flynn's

56:28

conference that we went to a few

56:28

years ago. But she consults chat

56:31

GPT to confirm her decision to

56:31

move from three episodes per

56:34

week to two. And so set a clip

56:34

of that podcast. And what she

56:38

does is she goes in and it's

56:38

kind of like what questions

56:41

should I be asking myself, as I

56:41

make this decision? Chad GPT

56:46

gives a bunch of questions. And

56:46

kind of going through this

56:50

exercise, she ends up with the

56:50

answer. Yeah, I think I'm gonna

56:53

go from three episodes to two

56:53

episodes a week. Interesting

56:57

concept to use it. I think it's

56:57

kind of one of those situations

57:00

where you're getting a bunch of

57:00

questions, but you kind of deep

57:03

down know the right answer

57:03

already. And you just kind of

57:06

need a format to help you feel

57:06

confident in your decision.

57:10

Either you listen to this clip.

57:12

Yeah, it is. I mean, in

57:12

the clip, she has her husband

57:15

reading the chat GPT responses.

57:15

So it's, it sounds like he's

57:19

kind of asking her, it's a good

57:19

interaction. It's good. I think

57:23

if you don't have somebody in

57:23

your life, who's like really

57:26

good at helping you sort that

57:26

stuff through AI is a really

57:28

good thing, because AI will use

57:28

natural language to sort of

57:32

unearth, what is the motivation

57:32

behind this, right? So there are

57:36

people that are good at this,

57:36

but hey, look, there's also AI

57:38

is actually one of the use

57:38

cases, that's good for AI as

57:41

well. So if you're out there

57:41

asking me about me, it doesn't

57:43

just have to be podcasting

57:43

advice either. Like that's kind

57:45

of one of the things that are

57:45

interesting about AI is that it

57:48

can kind of be what you need it

57:48

to be. So if you need it to be

57:52

somebody who's like, I just like

57:52

you can go into chat JP is

57:54

probably a little bit freaky and

57:54

scary. Like maybe you shouldn't

57:57

do this. But you can go and say,

57:57

Hey, I had a really bad day, I

58:00

just need somebody to listen to

58:00

me and chat. GPT will be like,

58:03

great, tell me about your day,

58:03

like, I'd be happy to listen,

58:05

like it will do that. It's not

58:05

real. You're not talking with a

58:07

person. But if you don't have

58:07

that person in your life, it

58:10

could do that for you. It can also help you make decisions about your podcast, or like I'm

58:11

thinking about buying a new car,

58:14

it will ask you questions and help you make the decision of whether you should buy a car.

58:16

But it's kind of a little bit

58:18

like Kevin though, like it's

58:18

gonna sound confident, even

58:21

though it might just be making

58:21

stuff up. So just remember, it's

58:25

not actual and it doesn't have

58:25

feelings, and it doesn't really

58:28

know you, but it can it can do

58:28

what you want it to do.

58:31

So the next level of

58:31

would you date a podcast, bro,

58:34

is would you date a Chat GPT

58:34

bro? And the answer you're

58:38

saying is no is gonna give you

58:38

complete confidence in all of

58:41

its answers and be wrong around

58:41

20% of the time and the 20% of

58:45

the time that it's wrong. It's

58:45

going to really steer you the

58:48

wrong way. Yeah,

58:50

Jar Kujera found us on

58:50

Twitter and wrote in with a

58:53

comment that says, I use podcast

58:53

transcription, audio editing

58:56

content generation. And I also

58:56

personalize the listening

58:59

experience by analyzing audience

58:59

behavior and provide language

59:03

translation services,

59:03

streamlining and optimizing the

59:05

podcasts workflow, saving time

59:05

and effort while improving

59:07

content quality. So wow, there's

59:07

a lot,

59:10

a lot of AI tools.

59:11

I've heard of a few

59:11

people, what they do is they

59:14

transcribe the audio, then they

59:14

translate it, and then they use

59:18

a synthetic voice built off

59:18

their voice to read and record

59:23

the audio in a different

59:23

language. And so I think stuff

59:28

can easily get lost in

59:28

translation in this process. But

59:31

the idea would be, we'd record

59:31

Buzzcast, and then a version

59:36

would be generated that would be

59:36

this podcast in Spanish. And in

59:41

French, than it would sound like

59:41

Kevin's voice or my voice in

59:45

German or French. You know,

59:45

that's a cool thing, especially

59:49

for people who, you know if

59:49

English isn't your native

59:52

language, it can be a little bit

59:52

tough online when so much of the

59:55

content is in English first.

59:58

Our last response is

59:58

from Roger Gowdy.

1:00:01

Hey guys, Roger Gowdy

1:00:01

here, longtime listener, Podcast

1:00:05

Producer from Northern Ireland.

1:00:05

I just wanted to throw my two

1:00:09

cents and around using chat GBT

1:00:09

for ideas and content generation

1:00:14

for podcasting. My top tip for

1:00:14

interacting with chatty BT is

1:00:18

the more you put in, the more

1:00:18

you get out. What this tool does

1:00:22

best is to consume large amounts

1:00:22

of information. It eats text for

1:00:27

breakfast, it will absorb it

1:00:27

Need to actually give it extract

1:00:30

the key information from it,

1:00:30

contextualize it and relate it

1:00:33

to the other information it

1:00:33

knows to to really take

1:00:36

advantage of the power of this

1:00:36

tool. I could first tell Chat

1:00:40

GPT, who I am, maybe copy and

1:00:40

paste in my personal bio, what

1:00:45

my podcast is about my preferred

1:00:45

communication style, maybe some

1:00:49

information about my ideal

1:00:49

listener avatar, then I could

1:00:52

give it the bio of my guest for

1:00:52

that episode, and maybe copy and

1:00:55

paste a relevant blog post or

1:00:55

article on the topic and

1:00:58

question now that Chat GPT has

1:00:58

all that information. If I then

1:01:02

ask it to generate content for

1:01:02

my episode, the information that

1:01:06

we'll provide will be a lot more

1:01:06

rich and relevant to what I

1:01:09

need. In a way we've given Chat

1:01:09

GPT like a Venn diagram to work

1:01:14

within. And the content that

1:01:14

will turn out will now be in

1:01:17

that sweet spot in the middle,

1:01:17

and will be a lot more useful to

1:01:20

me. So I could then ask it to

1:01:20

generate an outline plan for the

1:01:23

episode with 10 questions to ask

1:01:23

my guest, I could ask him to

1:01:27

create social media posts with

1:01:27

relevant hashtags to promote the

1:01:30

episode. Or I could ask it to

1:01:30

write a promotional blog piece

1:01:33

or press release for the

1:01:33

episode, the opportunities are

1:01:36

endless. But we need to make

1:01:36

sure we feed the total with all

1:01:40

the relevant information first,

1:01:40

a quick tip for this is to see

1:01:43

if a one page text file with all

1:01:43

the relevant info about you and

1:01:46

your podcast. So you can just

1:01:46

paste all that in one go at the

1:01:50

start of every chat session.

1:01:50

Anyway, that's been my

1:01:52

experience. We'd love to hear

1:01:52

yours. Love the show, keep doing

1:01:56

what you're doing. Speak soon.

1:01:57

Well, and I actually

1:01:57

didn't know that you're supposed

1:02:00

to like feed in a whole bunch of

1:02:00

like back information in a chat

1:02:03

GPT. Because then it'll give you

1:02:03

responses that are a little bit

1:02:07

more tailored to your

1:02:07

background, your viewpoint or

1:02:11

your guest.

1:02:12

Yeah, I kept thinking

1:02:12

like, you have to invest in the

1:02:14

relationship. You just met this

1:02:14

robot, you can't expect it to

1:02:18

know everything about you they

1:02:18

want. So like, we don't work

1:02:21

with travel agents very much

1:02:21

anymore. In this day and age,

1:02:24

I'm gonna throw out an analogy.

1:02:24

But if you went into a travel

1:02:27

agent sat down and said, like, I

1:02:27

want to go on a vacation, where

1:02:29

should I go? They're gonna,

1:02:29

like, go wherever Detroit is

1:02:34

awesome. You should go check out

1:02:34

Detroit. You're like, why would

1:02:36

I go to Detroit?

1:02:37

No one is telling you to

1:02:37

go to Detroit for a vacation.

1:02:40

I'm just saying like, a

1:02:40

good travel agent will say like,

1:02:42

Well, what do you want to do?

1:02:42

Like? Do you like hot climates

1:02:45

or cold climates? Do you like

1:02:45

adventures? Do you like

1:02:47

sightseeing? Do you like museums

1:02:47

do you like I don't know hiking?

1:02:50

Like they're gonna ask you, they're gonna try to get to know you a little bit traveling

1:02:52

alone, traveling with a partner

1:02:54

traveling with the children. And

1:02:54

the more they get, the better

1:02:57

the recommendations can be. And

1:02:57

that's what I was coming back to

1:03:00

you on his training about how to

1:03:00

use jet GPT. Effectively, like

1:03:03

the more information you tell it

1:03:03

about yourself, your show, give

1:03:06

it some context, the more creative it can be with suggestions.

1:03:09

And that was a really

1:03:09

good tip to have just like your

1:03:11

text file, or like a Word doc

1:03:11

saved that has like your bio,

1:03:15

and all the information that's

1:03:15

going to be pertinent for like

1:03:18

every single episode, and just

1:03:18

slap it in there before you

1:03:21

start new conversation.

1:03:22

Yeah, yeah, this is

1:03:22

similar tip that I've used for

1:03:25

playing with Midjourney, which

1:03:25

is using text to generate

1:03:28

images, is you don't want to

1:03:28

just give a generic, like, Hey,

1:03:34

here's what I'm looking for type

1:03:34

picture. Because then it's just

1:03:38

going to be finding a match.

1:03:38

It's kind of like what it's

1:03:40

doing is it's getting you the

1:03:40

average of everything online

1:03:44

that matches those parameters.

1:03:44

And often Chat GPT, Midjourney,

1:03:49

or any of these large language

1:03:49

models, like they're going to be

1:03:52

improved by, like you said,

1:03:52

limiting the Venn diagram, like

1:03:57

focusing in tighter on stuff is

1:03:57

a little bit more specific. So

1:04:01

adding your bio in, that's

1:04:01

really focusing it mid journey,

1:04:06

one thing that I'll do a lot is

1:04:06

specify a film type. So shot

1:04:11

with this type of film, because

1:04:11

the only images online that have

1:04:14

ever been tagged shot with this

1:04:14

type of film are really high

1:04:18

quality images. And they have a

1:04:18

distinctive look. And so then

1:04:23

when he's generating an image,

1:04:23

it's thinking it always has to

1:04:26

be really high quality and have

1:04:26

this distinctive style. And so I

1:04:32

think that what he's doing

1:04:32

there, that's a really good tip.

1:04:34

And Jordan, I really appreciate

1:04:34

that Roger and Tom, you found

1:04:38

people to have the best accents

1:04:38

for our first sound off segment.

1:04:42

If we just had a bunch of

1:04:42

Floridian guys, I'd have been

1:04:45

like we can skip the segment.

1:04:45

But there's no way we're going

1:04:47

to skip it, we get Tom and

1:04:47

Rogers voices.

1:04:51

And Keiran reached out

1:04:51

from Mere Mortals Podcasts and

1:04:54

great work Buzzsprout team and

1:04:54

being part of the group

1:04:57

referencing the podcast

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Standards Project that launched

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last week, and the sneak peeks

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on what you'll be focusing upon

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to start with, really what we

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want to do is get that standard

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spec finalized version one a bit

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anyway, and it will continue to

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evolve over time. And then

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there's some ideas being kicked

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around for the proposals two and

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three, but I don't know enough

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about which direction it's gonna go at this time to give you a sneak peek, but how can they get

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hub, click through the different

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repositories, see what

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conversations are going on? And

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we'd love to have your voice

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part of that group Keiran. So

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thanks.

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So you guys know what the

1:05:46

heck is going on with like

1:05:48

footwear and shoes. Like, the

1:05:48

world is changing. I've got high

1:05:53

school kids, and the way that

1:05:53

they buy shoes now like, you

1:05:56

know, shoes have always been

1:05:56

kind of expensive. Like, if you

1:05:59

want the coolest shoes, they're

1:05:59

always like, way more expensive

1:06:01

than they should be. And now

1:06:01

it's just getting more extreme

1:06:04

than ever. Like I knew there

1:06:04

were shoe collectors and all

1:06:06

this other kind of stuff. But

1:06:06

now it's like trickling down.

1:06:08

And it's becoming more

1:06:08

infectious for like high school

1:06:11

aged kids. And so they're not

1:06:11

buying shoes anymore from you

1:06:15

don't just go to footlocker and

1:06:15

get shoes, you have to order

1:06:18

them through these sites that

1:06:18

are basically like eBay type

1:06:21

sites. Yeah, they found the Nike

1:06:21

Dunk, SB whatever, in this

1:06:26

color, and you're buying it like

1:06:26

through an auction, but they're

1:06:29

kind of all set price. And then

1:06:29

the sites like stock X or

1:06:33

whatever, they work like eBay,

1:06:33

like they take your money and

1:06:36

they hold it. And then whoever

1:06:36

selling the shoes, ships it to

1:06:38

them, they get it you get an

1:06:38

email, it says, Hey, we actually

1:06:41

got the shoe or leasing the funds, and then they should be the shoe. And you hope that it's

1:06:42

a real one. You hope it's not

1:06:45

rip off? But like, what is a 13

1:06:45

year old kid? Really? No anyway,

1:06:49

what is going on? Do you guys

1:06:49

know this? You're both younger

1:06:52

than I am. So I'm asking you.

1:06:52

I'm like trying to help me out.

1:06:54

Like I can't figure this out.

1:06:55

I actually watched a

1:06:55

documentary about this, believe

1:06:57

it or not. And it was

1:06:57

fascinating, just like with the

1:06:59

shoe craze, like how people get

1:06:59

so passionate about shoes, and I

1:07:04

think I don't quite remember,

1:07:04

but I think what really kicked

1:07:07

it off. Was those Air Jordans.

1:07:07

Like when Air Jordans came out,

1:07:11

that's when people started

1:07:11

getting really into collecting

1:07:14

because it's like this limited

1:07:14

edition thing like you had to

1:07:16

get certain ones. And I think it

1:07:16

just kind of like stirred up

1:07:20

this passion in people for

1:07:20

having these like coveted shoes.

1:07:24

Yeah But like Air Air Jordans have been out since I was in high school. Air Jordans

1:07:26

were around. So I've been around

1:07:28

for a long time. Yeah. But I

1:07:28

feel like what's happening is

1:07:32

like the shoe companies are

1:07:32

artificially constraining supply

1:07:37

on certain shoes. Oh, yeah.

1:07:37

There's no reason why they can't

1:07:39

make enough to meet demand. But

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I think they're intentionally

1:07:42

not in driving this whole

1:07:42

secondary market.

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It's like Beanie Babies.

1:07:45

like Beanie Babies being

1:07:45

that they're all going to be in

1:07:49

Kevin's closet in 20 years, and

1:07:49

totally worthless. My wife has a

1:07:54

extensive Beanie Baby collection

1:07:54

that her mom has been holding

1:07:58

for her since she was 12 years

1:07:58

old. And she's like, Hey, can we

1:08:02

get these Beanie Babies! We're

1:08:02

like no! And there's like every

1:08:06

probably like 200 Beanie Babies

1:08:06

at my mother in law's house. And

1:08:10

she just anytime we go over

1:08:10

there, she's like trying to

1:08:12

convince my daughter like, hey,

1:08:12

come pick out a toy and take it

1:08:15

home with you. We're like, no.

1:08:18

You know, I could almost

1:08:18

wrap my head around it if it was

1:08:21

more like a collectible. But

1:08:21

what the kids are doing is

1:08:25

they're buying the shoes for way

1:08:25

too much money. And then they

1:08:28

put them on and they go out to

1:08:28

like pee. And then they come

1:08:31

home with these shoes that they

1:08:31

just, you know, won an election

1:08:34

for and found online and got the

1:08:34

only pair but every other kid

1:08:38

has them too. And now they're

1:08:38

all dirty and they're trashed

1:08:41

and stuff. I don't understand

1:08:41

that. So I tried to put a

1:08:44

moratorium down in the

1:08:44

household. And I still think the

1:08:46

only place that you're allowed

1:08:46

to buy shoes from are Dick's

1:08:49

Sporting Goods footlocker

1:08:49

Payless and like DSW target.

1:08:54

Just regular shoe stores. And

1:08:54

they are revolting. This is This

1:09:03

is wild. I think it'd be never

1:09:03

had this grown up. Like I mean,

1:09:05

there were certainly the cool

1:09:05

shoes. Oh, yeah. But like, you

1:09:07

just had to keep going to the

1:09:07

local mall and checking the shoe

1:09:10

store and see if they had your size.

1:09:11

I was really lucky because I was in high school during the whole like, you know,

1:09:13

2007 like emo phase. And

1:09:18

basically, if you just had like

1:09:18

a pair of Converse that you just

1:09:21

wore to death, like you were

1:09:21

really cool. So it was very

1:09:23

cheap to be cool when I was in

1:09:23

high school.

1:09:25

Yeah. And it was almost

1:09:25

like you wanted those shoes to

1:09:27

be dirty and messed up.

1:09:28

Oh, yeah. You wanted

1:09:28

holes. You wanted them to be

1:09:31

like some life? Yeah,

1:09:32

My only memories of

1:09:32

buying shoes as a kid. Were

1:09:35

really wanting my dad to buy me

1:09:35

the shoes that had like light

1:09:39

ups in the heel.

1:09:43

You were 16 Right?

1:09:45

I was 22. Probably like

1:09:45

10. And my dad was like, Yeah,

1:09:50

we're not getting those. Later

1:09:50

on in life. When I was like 14,

1:09:54

I also told my dad, I wanted to

1:09:54

get frosted tips. It's like,

1:09:57

you're not doing that either. So

1:09:57

there's a lot of embarrassing

1:10:01

trends that I tried to get on

1:10:01

board with. And my dad was just

1:10:04

like, we're not doing that. I

1:10:04

just say yeah, I don't honestly,

1:10:09

I could not tell you what any of

1:10:09

my shoes looked like when I was

1:10:13

a kid. I think that was not

1:10:13

something that really crossed my

1:10:15

mind. Yeah,

1:10:16

well, evidently he was a

1:10:16

big business online and I have

1:10:19

no idea if it's legit. Like if

1:10:19

you're buying just knock offs or

1:10:23

if you're buying real shoes,

1:10:23

does Nike own all these auction

1:10:26

sites and they're just like the

1:10:26

puppet masters and controlling

1:10:29

everybody.

1:10:30

Yeah there's so many

1:10:30

knockoffs floating around out

1:10:32

there so.

1:10:34

It's crazy. Well has

1:10:34

nothing to do with podcasting,

1:10:36

but if anybody has any tips for

1:10:36

buying shoes let me know.