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when is potentially any lights the deadliest

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in and a whole dot in southeastern ukraine

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both countries have accused the other of selling

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the nuclear plants which is the largest

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operation as cover to

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attack ukrainian towns and cities will

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themselves be targeted the

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g seven group of countries is called on russia

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to withdraw to avoid creating

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been reporting on the ukraine

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invasion by russia for many

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weeks now for byline times

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and for the you're a maiden press as

1:37

arena hello u are very close snag

1:39

to this nuclear plants as close

1:41

as you can safely be given

1:43

that he is occupied by the russians

1:46

just tell us something about the the

1:48

area that you are in place

1:50

the year to hire during the i'm abroad

1:52

like cannot buy and a half away

1:54

i'm usually people is to give their by

1:56

bus or there is a satellite

1:59

com the to refuse to build

2:01

next to their nuclear power stations

2:03

the same goes for to know about

2:06

for instance as so people

2:08

live quite comfortably to

2:10

our a town diss on their

2:12

job as a nuclear power plants

2:15

and die right now the whole

2:17

area around is occupied

2:19

by the russians and has been so

2:21

from march ah first

2:24

week of march when on the third

2:26

of march are there was this

2:29

, and infamous instance

2:31

when the russians first sales

2:34

are the biggest nuclear

2:36

power plant in europe europe

2:39

at that time boasts as a

2:41

us president biden and and the time

2:43

johnson i and mccraw and

2:45

everybody and their mother called on

2:48

the landscape in the middle of the night because

2:50

it was very alarming and dos

2:52

i was watching their lives

2:55

as the church has answered the territory

2:57

if there was a become more said the

2:59

am that people in charge for the

3:01

nuclear plants were going

3:03

live on telegram channels

3:06

answer social media s asking

3:08

for help on so at

3:10

that time fortune see it still wasn't

3:12

a lot of damage be been done

3:14

to the seasons but for a few weeks

3:17

after as in march there

3:19

has been some kind of like

3:21

gets a nation also explosives

3:24

and all sorts of things that they

3:26

have they , plants

3:28

and not usually designed for

3:32

and i'm currently were similar think article

3:34

i actually was lucky enough to fit

3:36

to know flows leaves and to

3:38

interview oh former

3:40

soviet ingenuity or us are now

3:43

an american citizen who was

3:45

that the very beginning of that

3:47

asks the construction

3:50

of das of das

3:52

so see to mail lot of inside

3:55

details which i want to and now but

3:57

death of the bottom line is

3:59

that there out power plant

4:01

itself is built very solidly

4:03

and funny enough some were

4:06

designed for their military

4:08

is ah our our hostilities

4:11

for only in other words for the war

4:13

and even some sort of nuclear

4:15

activities because the and that's

4:18

what the ingenious taught me how

4:20

and why i it is extremely

4:23

dangerous because the pirates it was

4:25

not designed for any kind

4:27

of facilities is there

4:29

storage of the nuclear waste

4:32

which is a like oh like that

4:34

similar ah ah ah

4:37

units into know both ah

4:40

is that are located under

4:42

located bit south of the sarcophagus

4:45

i am dad that provinces

4:47

designed later and just

4:49

like into mobile which is not an active

4:51

nuclear power you

4:53

know i'll these ah

4:56

party needs constant attendance

4:59

and it needs cool and it

5:01

needs the water in that's cool

5:03

and pool to the constantly

5:06

mundane as a certain temperature

5:09

, he is the water sheets off

5:11

the nuclear waste basically

5:13

blows up without going into much

5:15

details and an order to cool

5:18

this water as red as

5:20

as to sit needs to be constantly

5:23

to come nastiest to our

5:25

power supply funny enough it's of

5:27

electricity a power station

5:29

and it's nice the power and so

5:33

even though there are six reactors

5:35

as does as breezy a nuclear power

5:37

plants are only one of them

5:40

as currency work in and

5:42

is that station who's that station

5:44

the black out state are

5:46

there is a danger of this

5:48

of pool and pool seat in up and

5:51

either the quarry out to the then the

5:53

core of this nuclear waste explosions

5:56

or some least it's odd to

5:58

be there there also

6:00

have either title dangers

6:02

and they are listed by their international

6:05

atomic energy agency in

6:07

what they call seven pillars of

6:09

safety if somebody wants details example

6:12

the lit up is over there and it includes

6:14

of fire safety in ventilation

6:17

communications and all

6:19

of these where are

6:21

constantly of now

6:24

, the danger and be in

6:26

the are violated by the

6:29

russian situation troops school

6:31

been occupied just season since

6:33

march so what happened and

6:35

why do we have all these awesome

6:38

to see said now is the cause

6:40

of that say it's and seven

6:42

so focused on there was

6:45

a sailing that there was in many

6:48

instances of cell and and explosions

6:50

reports and are

6:52

they are russian side is it's use

6:54

in ukraine of doing that and

6:57

will know that they they have been doing it

6:59

consistently and whatever happens that

7:01

ukraine and ukraine

7:03

the ah it's fair enough says that

7:06

is the russian troops that are

7:08

on the stage in a provocation

7:10

and there's been no reports buys

7:12

a ukrainian intelligence that

7:14

the russians brought a self propelled gone

7:17

out which are some time to time

7:20

shells of their areas

7:22

said to have a death russian

7:25

employ as an hour or in

7:27

that's actually not employed but the russian

7:29

authorities that are now have you

7:31

find the states and are aware of

7:34

and they are basically lot afraid of

7:36

the salad and and situation

7:38

as the station is peculiar because

7:41

they are like i mentioned before several

7:43

times a day or day and

7:45

the electorate is for in charge of ever since

7:48

but it's been operated by

7:50

the ukrainian agency and ukrainian

7:52

and pool of the deceased and seats

7:55

that about at them ah and

7:57

as the the basic

8:00

see a and you

8:02

can tear your ukrainian polling station

8:05

they can employ the relative

8:08

filleted radius who has

8:10

a in when their safety and security

8:13

guidelines and the you through it the

8:15

ukrainian employers blogs their

8:17

skulls and selling

8:18

yeah i'm a bit these are very strategically

8:20

important area isn't it you've got the denise pro

8:22

river nearby and my understanding

8:25

is that it russian troops are

8:27

using the nuclear plant is cover

8:30

to fire into other parts of ukraine

8:33

across the dnieper river ukrainian

8:36

forces have destroyed all

8:38

, the bridges which

8:40

effectively preventing russia from rearming

8:43

around that area

8:45

as well somebody it's an area of pretty intense

8:47

conflict

8:49

actually it's to the russians

8:51

are constantly the ah fuck

8:53

this unique appalled and other small

8:55

villages around here they're s

8:57

i'm very close to this town but

8:59

you can't go there are you

9:01

have to get a special permit as a journalist

9:04

but i'm not interested in arms

9:06

show and yet more

9:09

destruction because i so

9:11

let my are recorded and said

9:13

that before would i'm interested in is

9:16

actually it's as rents get into

9:18

the bottom of what is

9:20

happening and of deaths as a bruiser

9:22

nuclear power stations and

9:24

i get very lucky today and

9:26

that's the reason why i was late because

9:29

i in the morning i was a tendon

9:31

as special training ah

9:34

and the special demonstration or that's

9:37

odd train in and of death

9:40

measures that the ukrainian

9:42

rescues and emergencies

9:44

it would take

9:46

varies in fact an

9:48

accident and is there is a heightened

9:50

radio are few the case and people

9:52

need to be rescued

9:55

and people need to be ah

9:57

the recovery process so

9:59

i will give me to share and some videos

10:02

and pictures if anybody is interested

10:04

of that's a unique machinery

10:07

and equipment and there's always

10:09

as far as drains to deal

10:12

with as such them to money sense

10:14

and that jammed him these are

10:16

train and i was there minutes

10:19

a of i'm energy over

10:21

ukraine go lucien

10:22

and the minister of internal

10:24

affairs did his ministers juice

10:27

and jobs i want to see my old

10:29

friend that deputy a minister

10:32

of foreign affairs of ukrainians gems

10:34

yen and because i already interviewed

10:36

him this saw on other sites

10:38

and she actually knows me and give me a little interview

10:40

so i will be sharon that arms

10:43

and they are attended the train

10:45

and late sure that the stop actually

10:47

knows what's going on and the was very

10:49

impressive says you will see some the be do and

10:52

then there was a little ah brave

10:54

thing with ah and i think that

10:56

was b b c and me and was only for

10:58

unless they're and most of

11:00

it was in ukrainian and i am alone

11:03

and ukrainian and and to say

11:04

about eighty percent but i will still

11:06

have

11:06

the death of for the rest of that

11:08

shit of would they said stooge to

11:11

give you their exact ash

11:13

summary of the pretty soon but

11:15

the bottom line is that there

11:18

is they endured and the will be

11:20

danger until

11:22

the russian troops are

11:24

out

11:25

that parity rates and and oh

11:27

there's a parisian nuclear power plant

11:29

and until this whole

11:32

area around it within the sixty

11:34

kilometers damages is cleared

11:36

of any hostilities

11:38

mordecai use listening

11:40

center questions the rain and he said

11:42

is this really any possibility

11:44

that ukraine all russia would hit the

11:46

nuclear plant he says the have only been four

11:49

major nuclear disasters at

11:52

fukushima to noble three mile island

11:54

and sl wants an all have been accidents

11:57

not during fighting and a war man

12:00

home zimbardo the on twitter

12:02

is asked tom mostly suzanne

12:05

as also then written or a thread about this in responses

12:07

and mordecai and ,

12:09

assesses the the risk the realistic

12:12

risk of the plan

12:14

being in some way ignited

12:17

by fighting and he doesn't say it's

12:19

impossible by the eve

12:22

every much downplays the

12:24

risk of it sort of being accidentally

12:26

blown up and you've talked about

12:28

the resilience that's built into these

12:31

plants you know that pretty sturdy structures

12:34

i also spoke to a lot of westerners

12:37

experts and their extras

12:39

build the plan and at

12:41

it is the air there has to parts

12:44

the first bad is

12:45

yes it's pretty resilient and

12:48

looks like it is actually okay

12:50

if you look at the station itself the

12:53

second part of their answer

12:55

is not as optimistic

12:57

and the arts is a little

12:59

the more disturbing because

13:02

they're mentioned

13:04

above mentioned it's nuclear waste

13:06

and the coolant system and

13:09

as to eat to and you can look up my

13:11

article my article i was right

13:13

in this new one on the breeze yes i'll

13:15

read you wrote of with a byline

13:17

times in the beginning of the war there's

13:20

an exclusive interview with the to noble

13:22

power plant engineer where everybody was

13:24

saying oh well the power plant

13:26

is not working now stop panic it's

13:29

of this is not too because both stations

13:31

have this nuclear waste i

13:34

and the nuclear waste is where the maze

13:36

of danger ease and was

13:38

russians and ukrainians are very very

13:40

well aware of that and

13:42

while ukrainians out from everything

13:45

i've seen and everything i've read in

13:47

her the and spoke to people have

13:49

no the intention to blow up their own

13:52

station are witches they

13:54

are resource it's on their land

13:56

and is after all supplies twenty percent

13:59

of that and you do the current rates

14:01

on another , the russians

14:04

a have a lot of interest or if

14:06

the law blow it off as and

14:09

blackmail him the world community

14:11

and using it as a leverage

14:14

odd to communicate their

14:16

needs was to ah

14:18

basically like the russian representative

14:21

to the united states and sad off

14:23

or scare people with monstrous

14:26

from a chastened that could happen is

14:28

they ah full of

14:30

the troops over their territory

14:33

so they basically using the basically they kidnap

14:36

people they kidnap people employees

14:38

of the the bullies you nuclear power plants

14:40

and they basically kidnapped

14:43

the whole station and they hold

14:46

it hostage and they use in

14:48

it as yet another to

14:50

of black male

14:52

want to talk about

14:54

another aspect as the war as well

14:56

which is ukraine seemingly

15:00

increased ability nice to penetrate

15:03

deeper into russian held territory

15:05

so in recent days

15:08

there's been an apparent attack on a

15:10

russian military base in

15:12

crimea which causes ukrainian

15:14

land that has been occupied now by

15:17

russia since twenty fourteen

15:19

and russia claiming that

15:22

this was sabotage

15:25

has some saw some kind of internal sabotaged

15:27

but all the evidence suggests that ukraine

15:30

now is able to find missiles much

15:32

deeper into russian hell territories

15:35

the how it's been seen in ukraine and

15:37

is that giving ukrainians confidence

15:39

that they can turn the tide of

15:41

the war

15:42

you know i didn't have

15:45

a chance to check out the jews

15:47

and their ten oz i rely

15:49

upon on my information and for

15:51

my daily reports in euro might on press

15:53

because not all the channels you can rely

15:56

on on because i was of this

15:58

train and train and the britain but the last time

16:00

i checked was in the mornings and

16:02

there were no official confirmation from

16:04

the ukrainian government that does

16:06

were ukrainian troops in fact she

16:09

didn't are the russians are

16:11

ammunition depot that as shield

16:13

in crimea and there were several

16:15

explosions and food and yesterday in crimea

16:18

and at them basically

16:20

we're job like don't smoke next

16:22

to their explosives and stuff

16:25

like this is mainly their

16:28

international ,

16:30

are like british intelligence and the

16:32

institute of said your wash and

16:34

other experts who come to the conclusion

16:36

that these are there are

16:38

elites ukrainian oh

16:43

detachment that is working that is crimea

16:46

and explode in these resources

16:48

and breaking down there supply

16:51

lines of supply russians seems

16:53

there were no official confirmation

16:55

i'm reluctant to comment on

16:58

that like my personal

17:00

opinion like like will be

17:02

no i agree with the experts i it

17:04

does look that isn't

17:07

job done at their

17:09

locally i mean we don't have

17:11

any evidence that day is that

17:14

the ukrainian troops they use that the newly

17:16

do leverage weapons

17:18

say hi mars or any as

17:20

as long range weapons

17:22

and you were have this official confirmation

17:25

is but a lot to try

17:27

and make some series they'll conspiracy

17:30

theorists but certainly

17:32

there's more confidence to answer

17:34

your questions about arms

17:37

as a youth ability of

17:39

ukraine to as attack at

17:41

least locally here because

17:44

was simply see their ah

17:46

russian to send the russian citizens

17:49

who occupied ukrainian

17:52

territory into southern for teens and

17:54

believe me believe nodes ukraine into southern growing

17:56

up partly in the deaths and summers and partly

17:59

to increase yeah and as i was

18:01

i a teenager i was in crimea lot

18:03

and it's you great i mean if you were there

18:06

you know very well it's ukraine with

18:08

people speak ukrainian they is

18:10

a part of the green so all these years

18:13

sweet years this area was

18:15

occupied by the russian troops who

18:17

invaded it so now seems

18:19

as people fleeing everybody

18:22

sues elated isolated

18:25

elated isolated this leaders were russian say oh

18:27

my god we're slows

18:29

as well as to go back to russia now

18:31

i'm you you just zero you so

18:33

good that's good i hope this

18:35

approach and lily you know let me

18:37

load i hope you know more more

18:40

explosions to com and that they

18:42

ask was to go back to from

18:44

my emotions because who cares l

18:48

on that suso applied to zielinski

18:51

two days of was founded

18:53

it's a meteor are on the crimea

18:56

and crimea getting this territory backs

18:58

and i believe she was supported by the canadian

19:01

governments and now we see

19:03

in a lot of movements of

19:06

you know concerning crimea

19:08

says this isn't a and notion

19:10

in the air that the crimea will

19:12

be crimea part of ukrainians it's

19:14

the right let me put it this way that

19:17

, be a significant

19:19

blow from russia see if it would sweep

19:21

naughty beaten back from ukraine but

19:23

then also to lose the territory that he occupied

19:25

in twenty four things go back

19:28

to the nuclear the

19:31

accept that away your and relatively

19:33

close any laser a that's vinnie

19:35

the international atomic agency

19:38

all came to visit us president

19:40

elect's he has been critical of the united nations

19:42

he said that they have not been do

19:44

know to facilitate the visits

19:47

but if the i a a

19:49

is the lad eventually and russia

19:52

recently been spending some restrictions

19:54

in the way of that's what difference

19:56

would that make they're very

19:58

good question

19:59

in and dancers very complicated and

20:02

that's a part of my research that i'm doing

20:04

now outside to boil it down

20:06

because i know like that this show

20:08

were not going deeply into

20:10

scenes were just trying to give

20:13

like some main ah

20:16

analysis of their of the major

20:19

trans so what's important to

20:21

know here is that

20:23

ah the international

20:25

atomic energy

20:27

agency which is headed by

20:30

the secretary general gras see

20:32

who's in the argentinians our

20:34

citizens i is not

20:37

ah as impartial

20:39

as it might seem or is it should

20:41

be and that one of my question to

20:43

the minister of energy of ukraine right now

20:46

the briefing on there's

20:49

there's been a research and not just by

20:51

me but damn oh last eight

20:53

april i believe will march a greenpeace

20:56

came up with the really an art piece

20:58

of research ah show

21:01

in ah that number

21:03

of the rocks and that will make a civil

21:05

saddam which now he

21:07

is offseasons at says

21:09

the for easy and nuclear power plant

21:12

how , of the employees of the russian

21:14

atomic age and says ah now

21:17

currently working for this

21:20

i am he he international

21:22

atomic energy agency and

21:25

there at the numbers i saunders

21:27

since as somebody gave me eighty percent

21:29

but i'll have to check it out but they're about

21:32

ten or twelve people people

21:34

are very close to

21:36

the management to the administration

21:39

of the of besides

21:41

are the one of the deputies

21:44

of grass seeds secretary general

21:46

isn't the hi you too dark horse who

21:49

who is a veteran of throw saddam

21:51

of the russian atomic energy agency

21:55

i ended it goes much deeper

21:57

like that when you look at dash insult

22:00

sure let cool things what they

22:02

are of the agency by the

22:04

russians which ,

22:06

be a surprise to us as random

22:08

the byline times in our audience

22:10

because we didn't cover and thus infiltrations

22:13

ah by the russian oligarchs and by

22:16

the kremlin's of this international

22:18

community and save a london

22:20

seen right and the europeans

22:24

are political landscape it

22:26

doesn't is surprised people who knows

22:29

who know what's going on but this

22:31

also financial part to eat on

22:33

which i watch you know where where

22:36

pollutants russia has been traditionally

22:38

donate and a lot of money i'll

22:41

a lot make in a lot of contributions

22:43

for the international atomic energy

22:45

agency is which and desist from

22:47

the country's contributions and

22:50

that is that factor that's all

22:52

sorts of foods that

22:55

impartiality oh this agency

22:57

and don't you know at least mosque

22:59

during that he deserves

23:01

and ah when

23:03

you listen closely for for

23:05

woods the you nice lady senza say

23:08

in the woods this i a e

23:10

a r as same they

23:13

never really the

23:17

movie mean they they try

23:19

to play you know the so

23:22

both sides have something to

23:24

say ah good ol would

23:26

is it's drums said both sides there's

23:30

a scene from the sea and basically

23:32

saying not say and list

23:34

would have to switch not saying that

23:36

the russia in this particular case

23:39

is that aggressor concrete that

23:42

, that more draws

23:44

of the sovereign country country

23:47

ah captured the

23:49

properties that belongs to this as

23:51

a sovereign country and

23:53

they're not naming names that's

23:55

all sort of language which is very

23:58

elusive and

23:59

sometimes he a

24:02

you know they would

24:03

occasionally blame ukrainians

24:05

for breaching the seventy

24:07

dollars off as the

24:09

safety and i would

24:12

basically at would have been ministers

24:14

were a sailor debrief and is ah

24:17

how can the ukrainian

24:19

side ensure the safety

24:21

of the objects needs a that

24:23

they don't manage they

24:25

can't they don't have access to it's

24:28

so i hope i answered your

24:30

actually i'm not alone it's goods and

24:33

as us when we go back as well to this thread is a

24:35

i'd recommend people follow me out that on switch

24:37

the bottom zimbardo series and

24:39

tom mostly then and

24:41

in the experts they were aren't as inside

24:44

might not quite a good case for is

24:46

not becoming on julie

24:48

frightened or unduly

24:50

worried about the risk of some catastrophe

24:53

relating to this nuclear plants

24:55

and i would encourage people to read that to stick on

24:57

to get a bit of perspective in a little bit of balance

24:59

but as balance interesting comment

25:01

by so please gates on

25:03

twitter saying they're always idiots

25:06

accidents malfunctions

25:08

and mendacity then think

25:10

about whether russia and oh

25:13

they're brewing cast give cast toss

25:15

about radiation or the people of ukraine's

25:17

and this and this is the same reason is the rain

25:20

or is that's the it doesn't necessarily

25:22

take a deliberate attempt

25:25

by russia to somehow cause damage

25:27

here or indeed by ukraine the

25:29

very fact that we have that missiles

25:32

and guns firing close to

25:34

this nuclear plants means

25:36

that the risk of some kind

25:38

of catastrophic incidents

25:41

is months obviously fog

25:43

rights have been is the winner weapons in

25:45

the area so

25:46

well i mean obviously i mean anybody

25:49

was a d is sort of like logic

25:51

can see that and not to

25:53

go into that i can just bring back

25:56

the example of the russian soldiers

25:59

in certain knob digging

26:01

trenches by now, there's evidence their

26:04

satellite photos

26:06

and there are a who i

26:08

witness them, like,

26:11

cajun that cabs

26:13

in the most contaminated areas

26:16

in the so-called rudy for

26:18

has been rough for of

26:21

the chernobyl alienation zone,

26:23

that's on

26:25

the duke agents and they have the map

26:27

from 1980s and

26:29

they had no idea where they were supposed

26:32

to answer this type of person that

26:34

i want

26:37

to bring the which

26:40

is none from march advanced

26:43

the parts that

26:46

were present at the area

26:48

in the station when they first

26:51

dance at war chant champs, who

26:54

again on known this

26:56

particular detachments of kitchen

26:58

troops are known for very low

27:00

level of education's and

27:03

some of them don't i

27:05

believe might not be reading

27:08

ukrainian in the,

27:10

i don't know if they read russian day they have their

27:12

own language catch him they might not understand

27:15

what the signs when the walls are saying,

27:17

so innocent the supposed of all you

27:19

simply a nuclear power plant is

27:22

not of the place where you want to have

27:24

people who are not to be there

27:28

what are you another question

27:30

this is coming from a listener this is some

27:32

graham he says is it's true

27:35

that there is a buildup of russian forces

27:37

in belarus and how will that

27:39

plan for you crying as a home

27:42

or years of a good clear

27:44

thank you and i didn't

27:46

go to billows personally by

27:49

as the person who writes reports

27:51

on a daily basis and goes through a lot

27:53

of materials according to

27:55

the s independent

27:57

journalistic journalistic called

27:59

yeah build russian guy units

28:02

are there is a buildup ah

28:05

close to the ukrainian diller

28:07

russian border ash and do

28:09

in the last week it actually

28:11

have an intensified

28:14

them their them in reports

28:16

of the russian planes deliver and

28:18

more military equipment and

28:21

as seen movement there so

28:24

yes it's a concern and i actually

28:26

wanna look for into it i

28:28

didn't have time because i'm working

28:30

on this nuclear power plant projects

28:33

but certainly concerned and and

28:35

ah ah that that

28:37

be multiple multiple

28:40

are threats come in from that

28:42

area

28:43

the relentless think right to speak to as

28:45

oh wise and you know that will keep updating

28:48

our listeners from the russian

28:50

invasion of ukraine and mighty so

28:52

that they are kept in the late with your brilliant

28:54

reads reporting i do recommend

28:57

that people check out your twitter account

28:59

at the arena is a brisk

29:01

a in there they'll find address the wondering

29:04

yeah i personally today because i'll

29:06

be sharing a lot of material

29:08

from this britain and informed

29:10

as brilliant training and

29:13

i basically pond not intend

29:15

for the had the had in the berries the

29:18

i interviewed their sad

29:20

of the region who's a sixteen

29:23

year old son was

29:25

kidnapped by the russians and held

29:28

in custody the t offs and

29:30

dogs ah observed torturers

29:33

and like a horrible story for horrible

29:35

days and this is

29:37

the has of zip are easier regions

29:40

and to i user and law

29:42

remarkable man and she gave me a

29:44

long interviews so i will be syrian

29:46

that soon alone with

29:49

their at interesting clips

29:51

from the rest soon as station

29:53

where station lot of interesting things happen

29:55

things including a little odd to

29:58

and the little excursions into the by well

30:00

that's russian rockets

30:03

are being kept to see what gras

30:05

july was mad so light

30:07

and dogs an interview with a sample

30:10

that the person who's in charge of mine

30:12

is as rockets that

30:15

like brave people you i

30:17

have no words

30:18

that's so and from here

30:20

i do move in most likely so keys

30:22

to to know the source anybody's interested

30:25

in that are follow me

30:27

will be doing more shows from there

30:30

and i'll be sharing information

30:33

brilliant so she's and the

30:35

rain has embraced skate on twitter very

30:37

easy to finding just find links that to

30:39

all of her work including some of the worst she

30:41

does for byline tom swell thank yous arena

30:44

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