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What is up, Daddy

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Gang? It is your

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founding father, Alex Cooper,

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with Call Her Daddy.

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Morgan Stewart, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank

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you so much. I'm so excited. I am

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so excited to have you here. You got

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your start on Rich Kids of Beverly Hills.

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Yes, I did. Shout out. Yes. You transitioned

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to host multiple shows on E. Multiple, yes.

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You have impeccable style. Thank you. I appreciate

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that. You make it look effortless and achievable.

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You're the kind of person that I'm screenshotting

0:31

and trying to remake it. Good. I don't

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ever remake it well, but you're the inspo.

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I like that. How did you pick your

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outfit today? I'm very Gen Z. I'm in

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my Gen Z feelings today. This is the first time

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I've ever worn these shoes and I bought them because I

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was like, I need to be ... I'm a mother now,

0:47

so I need to be able to wear things that are

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convenient to running around. I was like, I'm never going to

0:51

wear them. Then I was like, you know what? Today is

0:53

the fucking day. I'm putting them on and then I had

0:55

these pants. They don't actually look good on me, but I

0:57

always ... This is my ... They don't. The pleats in

0:59

the front make me look like they're warping my thighs inward,

1:02

but I will tell you, I am very big on

1:04

everything I buy. I make sure to wear it once,

1:06

even if it was the wrong choice. If I have

1:08

not returned it, I always want to make sure that

1:10

I've at least put it on my body so it's not

1:12

a waste. That's really how this all happened. Then I was going

1:14

to wear a navy turtleneck. Oh, do we have enough time to

1:16

listen to all this bullshit? Yeah. I was

1:18

going to wear a navy turtleneck and it read too

1:21

dark, so then I grabbed this and then I was

1:23

like, is this too much like a t-shirt? That's how

1:25

it came together and I just left. I'm just geeking

1:27

because I'm so happy your shoes are clean because this

1:29

is a disaster set. When people come on with the

1:31

dirt, can't have it. I was also going to tell

1:33

you they have not been in the world. I have

1:36

never had someone go into that much detail when

1:38

I asked them that question and I actually appreciate

1:40

it. I like to give you an experience. How

1:42

do you describe your style? It's

1:45

classic with a little bit of a flare. I

1:47

don't get into the trends. I try to avoid

1:50

it. I've been able to get into the trends

1:52

lately because my husband has more accessible income so

1:54

I can fuck up more. I love

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the audience. If you are on a budget, you should be buying a

1:59

white and a black t-shirt. two pairs of jeans, black and

2:01

blue, a black blazer, a beige blazer, and like keep

2:03

it moving. Don't get into the like crappie tops. If

2:05

you have to replenish your closet a lot, don't do

2:07

that. Just go with the basics.

2:09

Just go with the basics because they never,

2:11

ever, ever, ever, ever leave. That's why they're

2:13

called classic. Like getting into the like Barbie

2:16

stripper vibe right now. I can't do it. So you're

2:18

just taking your husband's credit card. Oh yeah. Well, no,

2:20

I have my own on his account. Oh, love that.

2:22

Oh no. You're not spending your own money. No

2:24

ladies, this is no, no, I'm not. I gave

2:27

two children to this person. Two in

2:29

one year and one day apart. Okay.

2:32

I mean, super woman. Yeah. It

2:34

was a lot, but it was amazing. The best thing I've ever done. Until

2:36

you earned this. I've earned it. And I

2:38

will tell you, cause I get on this tangent and I'm always

2:41

like, I'm not the, it is still a little bit strange

2:43

for me. Cause I'm somebody that has my own money. I'm still

2:45

getting paid out at E. Shout

2:48

out. Shout out. So I really, you know, a part of me

2:50

is like, well, I could just pay for this, but I just

2:52

feel like, let him, not let him, right.

2:54

Let him. Yeah. You go have

2:56

a kid. Exactly. Exactly. What is a current fashion

2:58

trend that you love? Even though I know you

3:00

said you don't like trends. If you

3:02

had to pay. I think the sneakers right now, I

3:05

feel like sneakers are really big. I feel like girls

3:07

are wearing them all the time. And that's something that

3:09

I'm getting more into. That's, that's what I like. Are

3:11

you into the dad sneakers, like the new balance? I

3:13

am. And by the way, I had those like in

3:16

the seventh grade. Things always come back. It's crazy, but

3:18

I haven't gotten a pair. They've been hard to find.

3:20

I got one pair recently and someone that I work

3:22

with complimented me on them. And I was ecstatic because

3:25

I didn't really know. Like I'm sometimes like just going

3:27

with it. Like I think this looks good, but I

3:29

didn't really know for sure. And then I put them

3:31

on and like let within an hour, someone complimented me

3:33

on them. I'm like, Oh my God, I'm in the

3:36

right lane. Like I know what I'm kind of doing.

3:38

I'm happy. These are back. They never left for me.

3:41

Doesn't matter. Whatever year I'm obsessed with an ugly.

3:43

And I will do like an ugly to the

3:45

knee. To the knee. I'll do it. Oh

3:47

yeah. Did you ever get rid of yours? Never. Thank

3:50

God. I had to get rid of one black pair. Cause

3:52

they were really, they didn't see you live today. I had

3:54

the sand color when I was in seventh grade. Yeah. And

3:58

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I just got a new closet. I just moved into my new

6:50

house. Okay. And I've heard that you're

6:52

the queen of organization. I am really, I've become. I

6:55

need like a little tip for all the

6:57

girlies listening and for myself. What

6:59

is an organization tip that you have

7:01

that's just a good go-to to remember

7:03

when we're trying to organize our closets?

7:05

Organize your closet based on season. So

7:09

now I'm transferring summer things out. I

7:11

don't care what anyone says, California, we still

7:13

have seasons. Yeah. It's fall, no linen. Even

7:16

my son was in linen yesterday. I was

7:18

like, oh no, Chris, no, no linen. He's

7:21

not in linen anymore. It's October. How old is

7:23

your son? Eight months. But why are we

7:25

in the linen joggers? He has new like sweat joggers. Who

7:27

put him in linen joggers? I was like, no, Chris,

7:29

no. We can't do that. So you had

7:31

to be like, listen, we're not in season. No, we're not in

7:33

season. No linen. Do you like how your husband

7:35

dresses? Oh, this is such a

7:37

question. Okay, so I really love the way

7:39

my husband dresses. I will say, and I,

7:42

a sign of a mature relationship and how

7:44

I've grown is I also do not control

7:46

it. He can wear what he

7:48

wants. I don't have the energy to change things.

7:50

We are not stylistically completely on the same page,

7:52

but I appreciate what he wears because it works

7:54

for him. The transition where, why are you asking

7:56

me everything that's going on in my life? The

7:59

things that we train. It's the transitioning from day to

8:01

night, where I would like it to be a little

8:03

bit more formal, but we're having a hard time finding

8:05

that happy medium. Cause he still wants to be himself.

8:08

And I'm like, but just wear the crew

8:10

neck sweater and the jacket. Right.

8:12

Or does he get annoyed by you when you try

8:14

to tell him what to do? Like it's not a

8:17

conversation. And he's like a silent,

8:19

strong person. He's not a loud, strong person.

8:21

Oh, that's actually worse. I know. Cause

8:23

I'm like, oh, he's like has this power over me,

8:25

but nobody usually does. Yes, but I do like it.

8:27

Is that normal in your relationships that you usually have

8:30

the power? Oh yeah. Usually like dominate

8:32

and like, and completely like, you know, I overpower

8:34

people, but I feel like the people that have

8:36

been in my life in the past that I

8:38

dated have always somewhat wanted to, they've

8:40

almost wanted to be like me. Does

8:43

that make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Like

8:45

I exude like a strength that I think is

8:47

appealing to males. And then they're like, whoa, this

8:49

is maybe too much. But with my current husband,

8:51

I don't need to do that because we're just

8:53

really balanced. That's really interesting. I can relate to

8:56

that about first they're so attracted to it. And

8:58

then they get in the relationship with you. And

9:00

then it's a full for sure thing. And that's

9:02

when they get the most insecure, but in the

9:04

dating phase, they're, they love it. And then you

9:06

settle down and it's like, it's the same thing

9:08

as when girls are like, wait, why did you

9:10

like when I posted bikini photos when we weren't

9:12

fully exclusive? But now that we are, you're like

9:14

all scared. If you're going and running and liking

9:17

other girls, bikini photos, like pick a fucking

9:19

lane. Pick a lane. That's really interesting. Okay,

9:21

so the husband dresses to your liking. Yes,

9:23

he does. But you could elevate a little

9:25

bit. I would, I wouldn't even elevate it.

9:27

I would transition small things and I'm only

9:29

talking about at night. So

9:31

mine is kind of opposite, which is so

9:33

strange. My boyfriend, I've never dated a man

9:35

like this, has the best taste. Oh my

9:37

God, it's so nice, right? He really knows

9:40

how to dress. Okay. And

9:42

he really understands design. Like we just redid our

9:44

house and he was like, we don't need to

9:46

get that big of a designer. Cause like, I

9:48

know what we need. Smart. And it's,

9:50

it's like shocking to be in a, if anything, it makes

9:52

me insecure because I'm usually the one, the guys that

9:54

I've ever dated. I'm like, I don't give a fuck what

9:56

you think I'm wearing. This relationship, I'm like, Okay,

9:59

he has better taste. and I have to accept that

10:01

which is honestly that's so smart because I feel like

10:03

my has been like accepted but doesn't think our teachers

10:05

as different as it is even though it's not. I

10:07

think that's a. Joke. It's

10:09

so fucking defrayed. Shout out. Shudder listening

10:11

to me. It's very it's.is very smart

10:13

of you because it's so nice to

10:16

have that right. Just accept it. Yet,

10:18

someone can have better style and taste.

10:20

Lean into that totally rather than try

10:22

to just totally equal. It's not everything

10:24

as equals released. I agree. Okay, okay,

10:27

good. yet. what is your take on

10:29

matching your children's outfit? His mommy

10:31

and daughter going to be wearing the same thing and

10:33

are your children can be when same thing know and

10:35

now of of absolutely fucking not like you don't have

10:38

friends like you don't need address your kid I feel

10:40

like you don't did you do that? We are in

10:42

seventh grade Know run I earned my mother see me

10:44

my sister and I were the same things like Christmas

10:46

and at that is also like a traditional me and

10:49

I feel like that's also that was our parents generation

10:51

Or I feel like that's like I get the Christian

10:53

photos and you're in the little blue dress or whatever

10:55

do you send out a holiday card. Oh.

10:58

My god I haven't but I guess I'm going

11:01

to this year. Why? Because I feel like I

11:03

should do that. It's like in a

11:05

much it's a mature nice thing. it's like a

11:07

way to send a photo of your family with

11:09

like it being in line with it being appropriate

11:11

like it's saw as an excuse to get us

11:13

out a lot of you guys right? So yes

11:15

I will send a holiday card out I did

11:17

not send my last year. Are you going to

11:19

be figuring out the out there yet? Okay,

11:22

wait I get a photo shoot with

11:24

my kids. And. They did where the

11:26

same outfit. I forgot.

11:28

What can I tell you say we're lagging way

11:30

they wouldn't be. He was like three month old

11:32

and she was however old she was an eight

11:34

when they were in like beige leggings that a

11:37

long sleeve shirt when he was a pajama. it

11:39

was in and we were all and based medicine.

11:41

So mad at me about enrolling in Beijing really

11:43

gone through the guy. you never have my kids

11:45

yards oh my god I but by the way

11:47

he wasn't like it wasn't supposed to be fashioned

11:49

see but they were just supposed to blend and

11:51

if that makes the i guess that okay just

11:53

you wanted your kids blending of my do you

11:55

wanted. To see? And yeah, exactly exactly. That's good.

11:57

Do you and your daughter's gonna have the same

11:59

person? The the oh yeah how you can deal with

12:01

i don't know she or he brings into my knees.

12:04

Really really is so strong you can really

12:06

tell about shot. you can tell who's gonna

12:08

be the fucking loser. I'm not going Efrat,

12:10

I'm kidding, I'm still getting her friends and

12:12

like oh dork know I. Say,

12:16

by the way, it's hilarious because every mom

12:18

thinks that in every mom analyzes that. But

12:20

I will say I think that I can

12:22

tell she's extremely sweet inside, genuinely. And I'm

12:24

not saying that because she's mine. And then

12:26

there is a side that's quite fierce and

12:28

strong. Well, so I do. I do think

12:30

we're quite a like, where do you think

12:32

you got that from. You know my

12:35

parents, I feel like I'm very much like

12:37

my mom, but she's less crazy and less,

12:39

but she's crazy in her own way, but

12:41

not. Out and outward and I am I

12:43

right or that more conservative? a little bit more

12:45

dial back. did you get in trouble in school

12:47

at all? So this is so weird because every

12:49

person I've ever been interviewed by in this context

12:51

as always ask me that and always asked my

12:54

mom that and I never got in trouble. I

12:56

was never late for curfew. I never. It was

12:58

only in my early twenties that it was a

13:00

little messy of I was kind of in love

13:02

and dating the wrong person and by dating like

13:04

I was dating him he was not eating. may

13:07

have club of. Of. Like wow, I'm having every

13:09

that known. As. If

13:12

you. Doing to them like yeah I had been

13:14

college in that I left college and she was

13:16

like what the what the where we go in

13:19

hear what the fuck are you doing I you're

13:21

like oh I think why people probably ask you

13:23

that is because I think you had this very

13:25

like outspoken confident nature about you that I would

13:27

see you as the person in class telling the

13:29

teacher that he had the answer wrong see we're

13:31

not like I wasn't like that but I also

13:34

struggled like intensely in school had a really hard

13:36

time. I guess we had like severe learning disability

13:38

that we're not diagnosed like my senior year of

13:40

school. it was like see feeling mass every year.

13:42

What's. Wrong. What's brewing in an inferior the

13:44

like you're not gonna graduate. So I to

13:46

go do a night school and path class.

13:48

I had to see a mass psychologist because

13:50

I had such a bad learning disability so

13:52

I couldn't I didn't. To be honest with

13:54

you, I don't know how I know how

13:56

to spell. So. i could

13:58

never i would not like that So I kind of just shut

14:01

my mouth as much as I do. Okay, that

14:03

makes sense. Yeah. Like you weren't confident in that

14:05

aspect. So like, I'm just going to sit here

14:07

and listen. Right. But then outside of the school

14:09

doors, you're like running shit. Exactly. Like the playground,

14:11

you're thriving. Oh, yeah. It's not where the desks

14:13

are. Exactly. That makes a lot of sense. Yes.

14:15

And I think that's great for your career. Also,

14:17

that worked out. Exactly. You got a great personality.

14:19

Thank God. Okay. What is a hot take that

14:21

you currently have? I know you had a show

14:24

on E, obviously, necessary realness. Are

14:26

you sad it's done? I just think that's the

14:28

stupidest decision anyone could have made. I mean, literally

14:30

like the like you, you know,

14:32

how many people do interview? How many people really

14:34

impressed you? Good talent is hard.

14:36

Oh, it's very hard. And somebody being

14:38

manufactured by like whatever circumstance they're around

14:40

that makes them popular doesn't mean that

14:42

they kicked you off. Oh, they ended

14:45

the shows. They ended the

14:47

shows. They put an end to nightly pop daily

14:49

pop. And they were like, we're going to sunset

14:51

necessary realness. I will tell you, necessary realness was

14:53

like my little show. I love doing it. I

14:55

love the people that worked on it. I definitely

14:57

was. It's not a negative because

14:59

it was time for me to go and

15:01

figure out what I really want to do. But

15:03

are they coming up with new shows to replace you guys?

15:06

I have no idea. They're doing an E news

15:08

reboot. So they're bringing back the

15:10

show that they got rid of five years ago.

15:12

Oh, that sounds relevant. And so they're

15:15

doing that. I don't know. And beyond that, I don't

15:17

know. But I will tell you, I saw psychic when

15:19

I was redoing my contract last year. And he said,

15:21

I would sign this deal. You're not going to be

15:23

in it for the remainder of the time you've signed

15:25

up for. Maybe

15:27

they work for E news. Maybe your

15:29

psychic is low key working. No, the psychic has told me

15:31

things. He told me that I was going to name my

15:33

son with a G name. I was like, yeah, right. Gary,

15:35

who the fuck has a G name? There's no way. Like

15:37

there's no possible way my son's going to have a G

15:39

name. And it's gray. It's a good name. Yeah, it's a

15:41

good name, right? Oh, now I need the psychic's number. Oh,

15:43

I'll give it to you. He is. He

15:45

will Change your life. No, it's

15:48

like not. It's like he's a medium. It's no

15:50

joke. Were you sad the day it happened? I

15:52

was emotional because I had been with everybody for

15:54

so long. But I genuinely, I had done six

15:56

years of 5 a.m. Workout wake up. I was

15:58

doing at one point. No hurting for

16:00

shows a day. I mean, I I worked

16:03

like eat. It's not physically possible or sustainable

16:05

to work the way I worked. I'm grateful

16:07

for the experience, but I was when I

16:10

was. It was a mutual feeling of yeah,

16:12

okay, it's time to move on. I've been

16:14

feeling like I had hit the ceiling. there.

16:16

Was it affecting your relationship or anything? It

16:19

wasn't affecting my relationship with my husband. Now

16:21

it wasn't know. It was fine. He knew

16:23

I wanted this. The Awesome: We were in

16:26

the pandemic so the last few years hadn't

16:28

been consistent. And then I also. Had two

16:30

babies in two years. So. I

16:32

like it was. it was the perfect time

16:34

to to part ways. Wow yeah I have

16:36

so much respect for how you manage that

16:39

show because you have you so real and

16:41

I think sometimes on T V especially those

16:43

format again come off a little like scripted

16:45

and stuffy and just like a little like

16:47

to. I believe that's actually her personality and

16:49

you were like fully able to be yourself

16:52

and which is great And they did though

16:54

the job with that they had added out

16:56

quite a bit as keep it safe to

16:58

little that that's great. Yeah that's great. There's

17:00

an accident. Start out Becchio. guess. What is

17:02

a hot take? Let's pretend we're on the so what

17:05

are the hot take that you currently have. So it's

17:07

hilarious because my Pr sent me this like that was

17:09

a questionable yeah what's the hot takes I asked my

17:11

each and every one of hotcake like what is it

17:13

goes well Heartache I have is that you can be

17:16

friends with your. Everyone's.

17:18

Friends with their excess and I was that I'm in a

17:20

steel that and I'm in a credit you I was credit

17:22

people by the way. Loved. I never take them when fashioned

17:24

Nothing our with right we can't yoga can. Attest

17:28

to style and I then was

17:31

really thinking about it and I

17:33

would like nuking. Week. Newsweek

17:35

lady and she like i'm gonna we do the

17:37

quote. Remi. The much quo because I

17:39

wouldn't get a whole episode on is no you

17:41

can't because only if you are in a new

17:43

really if you're in a relationship if you're single

17:45

serving front of all your fucking exit. Also I

17:47

by the way we're going to pull it up

17:49

in was like so much but Derrida. The reality

17:51

is is that if you're so able to be

17:53

friends with your ex and why are you breaking

17:55

up. right?

17:58

case sort of it's either There are a lot

18:00

of factors that go into making, literally my homework, do you love

18:02

it? I think there are a lot

18:04

of factors that go into making a relationship work and

18:06

making someone your person, your long-term partner. I have a

18:08

laundry list of reasons I am not with exes, but

18:10

there are definitely a lot of reasons I like them

18:12

in the first place that still exist. The majority of

18:14

people on this planet are people you will not have

18:17

a connection to, not have any chemistry with. And so

18:19

when you find someone you actually connect with that's rare

18:21

and wonderful, and just because it doesn't work out romantically

18:23

for you, why does that mean those people should be

18:25

out of your life completely? Let's

18:27

talk about that. It's no fucking way. Tell me

18:29

your take on that. I don't think it's, first

18:32

of all, I don't, what you said I think

18:34

is accurate. I think you cannot be friends with

18:36

an ex unless you were not ever in love

18:38

with them and you didn't share a genuine romantic

18:41

connection because if you're walking away from the relationship

18:43

so easily and able to revisit, then why separate

18:45

at all? No, I completely agree. I think

18:47

I've had relationships where I'm like, oh, like one

18:50

of my college boyfriends, I'm like, oh, like he

18:52

was so cute. And like, I just walked all

18:54

over him and I feel bad for that. And

18:56

like, he's such a good guy. And like, if

18:58

I ever saw him, we'd be totally chill. I'm

19:00

not texting him. Absolutely not. That's so strange. I

19:02

don't know why do you want, if you wanna

19:04

be friends with him, you probably wanna be in

19:06

their lives for other reasons. I just don't, but

19:08

it works for her. There's no like... But I

19:10

agree with the sentiment of like, I

19:13

don't hate everything about them. Of course not, but you take

19:15

that with you and you move along. You

19:17

move along. You don't need to be marinating

19:19

over there in that like, ooh, like I love this

19:21

part of him, so I wanna like keep it going

19:23

in my life. Exactly. Well, I think

19:25

that if you're single, you can absolutely be friends with

19:27

X. I would say be cautious

19:30

about that though, because then you're not moving

19:32

forward and you may just keep going back

19:34

in that awful cycle. However, the minute you

19:36

get a new partner, the only way to

19:38

be able to have like a healthy relationship

19:41

is to move on from your past relationships.

19:43

Someone that's been inside you or you've been inside them

19:45

or putting something in whatever hole. Let's

19:48

just move on. You can

19:50

totally respect, but it doesn't need to

19:52

be a texting buddy, buddy, let's get lunch every week. Okay,

19:54

but didn't I get, I did my homework because that's a

19:57

hot take, right? I'm impressed with you. Did you do your

19:59

homework for this question? What was the next question? Cause

20:01

I was wasted for four days. I was like, what

20:03

are the questions? Wait, where were you again? I went

20:05

to NASA for my husband's birthday. And I mean, we,

20:07

we, I did not, I mean, today is even a

20:09

struggle for me. Are you okay? I'm okay. You

20:12

look great. Thank you. Well, I got a glam for an hour and a half. I

20:14

was like, Tammy, we got till 10, 15. I'm not

20:16

going to be late. She's like, your eyes are small. I'm like, I

20:18

don't care. You need to just

20:20

do the mascara. She's like, more lashes. I said, it's

20:22

11 AM. We don't need

20:24

more lashes, Tammy. I'm leaving. So

20:27

that's, I think you look great. You look so beautiful.

20:29

Everything is putting together. Your teacher outfit. Is that what

20:31

you said? You look like a teacher. It's my teacher.

20:33

I literally, it's like, it's my Gen

20:35

Z teacher. Look, I am obsessed with it. Thank

20:37

you. Okay. Also I've never been to

20:40

Napa. Is it good? Great. I

20:42

mean, that's your next place. Okay. It's so close.

20:45

It's unbelievable. Do you recommend going there as a couple or like

20:47

with friends and like a bunch of couple

20:49

and couple friends. It's not a

20:52

single girl's place. You really can throw a party, huh?

20:54

Oh yeah. I honestly, there might be my next

20:56

career. Oh, I love it. A

20:59

party planner. I could be a serious party

21:01

planner. I'm like, it took so much work

21:03

to plan this birthday and I really thrived.

21:05

I saw the things

21:07

you made for your husband for his birthday and

21:09

I was like, the, every

21:12

single little detail, I

21:14

couldn't even come up with that in a year. No, it

21:16

was a lot, but I will say shout out to my

21:18

mother-in-law because she really helped me. She is like Oz. She

21:22

is like a magical wizard that like will like

21:24

just come up with these like insane

21:27

ideas and it'll just, she got

21:29

22 pieces of metal engraved

21:31

in 24 hours. She's

21:33

like, I can get it done. Don't worry, I can get it done. I said,

21:36

she said, there's nothing I can't do. She literally

21:38

had it all fucking done. I was like, there's

21:40

no way. She had a neon sign. My assistant

21:42

picked it up that morning and drove it to

21:44

Napa. It was done the morning of the party. How

21:47

nice is it to like your mother-in-law? I,

21:49

we are, I will not

21:51

to get too crazy and deep.

21:54

We are like kindred spirits through

21:56

life. Have you had the opposite

21:58

before, even if it wasn't like an absolute. mother

22:00

not like not bad. I've never had

22:02

a bad relationship with anybody's mother, but

22:04

definitely not to this level. Yeah. Because

22:06

I've had like the the son

22:09

mommy dynamic where it's a little too incestual that

22:11

you're like, do you want to fuck your mom

22:13

or me? Like what? I can't.

22:15

That's not the guy for you. I can just

22:17

know it does not work. It doesn't work at

22:20

all. It does not work. It's so it's such

22:22

a turn off also. I'm actually yes. And it's

22:24

like, Oh, you have to call your mommy every

22:26

couple hours like get it together.

22:28

And that's something I have to think about with

22:31

my son. He's got a sweet spirit. So I

22:33

might need to smack it out of him soon.

22:35

But he's he's adorable. They're good kids. You've got

22:37

great names. So they're immediately cool by association. Also

22:39

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22:41

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24:35

is a hot take that you've had in the past

24:38

that you no longer stand by? Okay.

24:40

I used to have a mind that I used to

24:42

not like Anne Hathaway or her style and now I

24:44

love her. Oh my God.

24:47

Is that a hot take? I

24:50

used to not be able to look at

24:52

her. I was like, Oh my

24:54

fucking, why does she annoy me to this

24:56

level? Now she's my idol.

24:59

She's my queen. I don't

25:01

know what the fuck she's done. It's that

25:03

subtle actress work. That's just puffing the right

25:05

things up. The cheekbones are sunken in the

25:08

right way. The outfits I'm inspired by them.

25:11

It's that it's the tussle bang. She's back right where

25:13

she needed to be in devil wears Prada. I can't

25:15

handle. I love her. And we loved her in

25:17

that movie. Loved. Who didn't love

25:19

her? She went through a really weird phase

25:21

where people were just shitting on her. Hated her.

25:23

It was when she was hosting the Oscars

25:25

and it was just like too theatrical. And I

25:27

think what it read as, as we've touched

25:29

on, it's the inauthenticity that people just don't have

25:32

time for. Was she in Les Mis? Yes.

25:35

Cause it was too theatrical and we're like, we

25:37

want you back. Princess Diaries, our queen, like give

25:39

it back to us. And she's back in her

25:41

era. Yep. So I think that's a

25:43

great hot take that you used to have and then you don't

25:45

agree with and now you, you know, you changed your mind. Okay.

25:49

We have discussed pop culture and celebrities

25:51

for years, so I'm interested to know

25:54

who would be your celebrity hall pass?

25:56

John Mayer. Was that

25:58

too fast? John Mayer. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

26:00

really yeah, my husband knows it's

26:03

always I when I was single for a little bit

26:05

I was like, I'm gonna go out with John Mayer.

26:07

Guess that did not did not happen. Have you ever

26:09

met him? Oh, yeah Uh-huh. Oh

26:11

still did not know what I'm fine

26:13

fine moved on now. What about uh-huh?

26:15

I'm fine He's a Libra my husband's

26:17

a Libra. I get along with Libra. I was like, oh he

26:19

would totally if he had two hours with me He would fall

26:21

in love with me. Nope Not

26:24

not even a little Not

26:26

for a second. What about him? Do you love

26:28

I I don't know. I think

26:30

he's hot I think he's just got the whole

26:32

thing down. I'm into it I love that he's

26:35

just like mysteriously moving through every single person you've

26:37

ever met ever except me I'm

26:40

I'm fine. I'm just saying that's my delivery. Hi.

26:42

I'm here. Yeah, and he

26:44

would your husband you'll be okay with it Oh,

26:46

no, absolutely never. Okay. No, no, we're not we're

26:48

we're like, right? Oh, yeah close We're like, yes,

26:50

but you know who his is who it I

26:53

feel like he's also more Quiet

26:55

about his home passes, which is like the ones you

26:57

always have to watch out for like the people that

26:59

vocalize their desires It's on

27:02

the table. He's like, oh she's

27:04

she's pretty shut the fuck up

27:06

with she's pretty Who

27:08

says she's pretty about any person in their life?

27:10

No one no one unless you're in love with

27:12

them, right? There you go. Who's

27:14

he I'm gonna call Wow,

27:17

okay. He's these little comments. Yes I

27:20

guarantee when I leave we're just gonna do this again because

27:22

when I leave I'm gonna be like Oh, he likes blah

27:24

blah blah. He thinks Kim's hot but like that if you're

27:27

a frog you think Kim is hot She

27:29

is like she is a really beautiful. I've never

27:31

seen her in person. I've heard she's it's

27:34

like looking at the Sun You can't stare too long. She's it's

27:36

like she's stunning This

27:39

is very beautiful and was always very I

27:41

agree. That's why this works as well. I

27:43

agree. I agree Wow,

27:45

okay, so Kim for your husband and you

27:47

John Mayer. Yes, what a fun. Yeah couple

27:49

Yeah, you guys should just do it all

27:52

together. There you go Finally watch

27:54

out cuz Kim single why I guess

27:56

John single too. Oh, yeah, what's the

27:58

most memorable interaction you have? had when

28:00

you met a celebrity? I

28:03

mean, it's so, it's not as fun as it should be because it

28:06

was on Zoom, but I guess I, it's

28:08

split, they're my highlights. Rihanna, I went in to

28:10

do a interview

28:12

with her for Fenty Beauty and it was sort of like

28:15

you were in a waiting room in Zoom and then I

28:17

opened the camera up and those are very stressful. And

28:19

doing things over the internet are very stressful. You wanna be

28:21

able to meet someone, be able to do a little small

28:23

talk, right. And she was like, oh my God, Morgan, I

28:25

loved you on Rich Kids, you were so funny. And I

28:28

literally, I like was seven and a half months pregnant

28:30

and I like peed a little bit. It was literally, I'm

28:32

not even, I was like so excited and I couldn't

28:34

hold my labia tight because it was like slapping open at that point.

28:37

And that's what happened. And then George

28:39

Clooney was also so fucking

28:41

lovely and like a

28:43

movie star. So those two. The bigger the

28:45

star, I realized the nicer they are. Really?

28:48

Oh yeah. Because

28:50

you've already achieved that level of success. You

28:52

just want good, normal, nice people around

28:54

you to treat you like a human

28:56

being. You're not insecure, you're not climbing. Jen

28:58

Aniston, really nice. Never

29:01

met her, I've just heard, just saying. I love

29:04

her so much. So much. You're just. I

29:06

can't handle it. I can't, but you know what? I

29:08

don't think that pertains to the James Corden issue. By

29:11

the way, I've heard. I've

29:14

heard. I've heard, we've heard. So there was a lot

29:16

of news. I love, I feel like now I'm doing

29:18

like nightly pop. Yay! I

29:20

never usually cover pop culture, but James Corden, which

29:23

is one thing I just do not fuck with

29:25

is news came out that he is the biggest

29:27

fucking asshole to waiters and Balthazar, a very famous

29:29

place in New York City that's just like the

29:31

best French place to go to. I

29:34

guess he was just like a fucking dick to the waiters

29:36

and they banned him from going there. And

29:39

I don't fuck with that. I don't fuck with that ever. You

29:42

are not better than anyone. I agree. And

29:45

how dare you be rude? How do you get to that

29:47

point? And how does it stay quiet for so long? I

29:49

feel like if I'm rude to anybody, it's everywhere in two

29:51

minutes. Oh, not to make myself that big. But I do

29:53

feel like it spreads around. I don't know if it's a

29:55

male versus female thing. I hate to go there. Right, because

29:57

you're a bitch. She's never gonna be called a bitch. an

30:00

asshole, but now he apologizes in his unband in

30:02

two minutes. Like you're rude to, he's not

30:04

just rude to waiters. He's rude, allegedly. And

30:07

I've heard from multiple people that we know obviously, that

30:10

he's not polite. And I don't know

30:12

how you actually are a person that's

30:14

not polite to other people. It's just,

30:16

especially when you hear like the status

30:19

of someone, like you have such privilege

30:21

and such access and just be like

30:23

so grateful and gracious to people around

30:25

you because be happy for what you

30:27

have and be fucking nice. And especially

30:30

when people are rude to waiters, I'm like, you're

30:32

disgusting. Disgusting. But that's really interesting

30:34

take that the bigger the celebrity, the nicer

30:36

they are. In my experience, I think with

30:38

James Corden, not me. Yeah, but he's not

30:40

even as big as, you know, I mean,

30:42

Brianna. George Clooney has full, full

30:45

movie star. Like I bet from a young age, he

30:47

came out of the womb and they're like, he's gonna

30:49

be a movie star. Yeah, I think he just has

30:51

that sort of Genesee-Qua vibe that like, I don't know

30:53

if that exists anymore in our I don't

30:55

think it does. I don't think it does. And when you see Brad, you're

30:57

like, that is a movie star, but then,

30:59

you know, Austin Butler to me doesn't have movie

31:01

star vibes. I think also because he's too close

31:03

in our age group, but I do think it's

31:05

possible that he can grow into it. Yes,

31:08

I think he's also like borderline too pretty.

31:11

So it also the, he doesn't have that sort of like rugged

31:13

vibe that is like these other guys

31:15

have. Yeah, Brad can be rugged, even though

31:17

he's prettier than both of us,

31:19

by the way. And my mom met him once and

31:21

he signed something for me. He's lovely. That's another person

31:23

that's lovely. Did you always want to be

31:26

in the spotlight? Cause you're meeting all the, oh, that

31:28

was fast. To be honest, I didn't always want to be

31:30

in the spotlight. I always wanted to be successful at my

31:32

talent. That's what it was. What

31:34

were your talents? Like my talent was talking to

31:36

people, being funny, engaging, and like, even I feel

31:38

like my talent, secret talent, it's like, even if

31:40

people hated me, I'm talking early club days and

31:42

like we had a weirdness because one girl was

31:45

sleeping with somebody, I would sleep. They still told

31:47

me all of their insecurities and deepest thoughts and

31:49

then told me even about the person that they

31:51

were sleeping with. Like I am, I can disarm

31:53

people and make them feel comfortable. And

31:55

I was so, I struggled so much in school

31:57

that I wasn't going to like go to college and do that.

32:00

for four years. So I really needed to kind

32:02

of rely on the assets I had, which were

32:04

not always so easy to put into a job

32:06

description. I love it. I think it's great when

32:08

you like, the fact that you knew

32:10

and look, you made it happen. Yeah, thank God.

32:12

You're married to Jordan McGraw. I am. His

32:15

dad is Dr. Phil. He is. Does

32:17

he act like your therapist at family dinners? You

32:20

know what? Honestly, he's very quiet in real life

32:22

and he doesn't need to say a lot, which

32:24

is the opposite of me to fill in the

32:26

void and same with my husband. He doesn't need

32:28

to say a lot too. So every time I'm

32:30

around him, I adore him. We get along very

32:32

well. He inspires me. I mean, the self-made success

32:34

that that man has had is, I

32:37

mean, he tried to talk to me about my e-contract. I'm

32:39

like, this is too below. We're not talking. We're

32:41

not talking. I'm talking about cable television. Like

32:44

I'm not getting money back on the sales

32:46

here or the like time slots. I'm like, this is,

32:48

I'm like, I just need to know if I should

32:51

ask for this event. Right. He

32:53

is wicked smart. I definitely am like, can he read

32:55

my mind? Like, you know,

32:57

all my hurt feelings and traumas and like

32:59

bad habits, but we have a really

33:01

nice banter. Were you nervous when you first met

33:04

him? Well, you know, I dated my husband first.

33:06

Right. And it was- 10 years, 12

33:08

years ago now. 12 a year. For a year. And

33:10

then we broke up, but I had seen his parents

33:12

around throughout the times that we weren't together. It was

33:14

always energetically very strange to the point where I was

33:17

with my ex-husband in San Tropez. I met up with

33:19

my current husband's brother

33:21

and sister-in-law and went on my

33:23

in-law's yacht and sat with my

33:25

mother, now mother-in-law and father-in-law for

33:27

like an hour with me, my

33:29

ex-husband and my best friend. And

33:32

I had seen them at restaurants. You guys,

33:34

it was, it's the world works in such

33:36

mysterious ways. And I've always had a lovely

33:38

relationship with them. So I guess you were

33:40

friends with your ex? But you- Can

33:43

I tell you the craziest thing? He wasn't there. So

33:46

this is fucking crazy. Yeah, he was not there.

33:48

He was on tour and it

33:50

was his older brother who I've always gotten along with, his wife,

33:52

who I adore. We met up

33:54

in San Tropez and hung out. Was your ex-husband like, what

33:56

the fuck? Not at all. They all got along. It was

33:58

not, it had been so- many years that

34:01

it wasn't, and Jordan's like doing

34:03

his thing. And I had different girlfriends and I

34:06

look back now, I mean, even the purses he bought me

34:08

from 12 years ago, I never got rid of them. And

34:11

that wasn't to be sentimental. That was just because it was Chanel. And I was like,

34:13

well, I'm not gonna get enough money. I'm gonna keep it. And

34:16

now I look at my closet and I'm like, I now

34:18

have two children with you. I'm gonna now

34:20

pass this on to you that your dad gave

34:22

me this bag when we dated when we were

34:24

22 or whatever. Like it's crazy. Does his family

34:26

also live in LA? Yes, they live close to

34:28

us. We see them, my mother-in-law comes over all

34:30

the time because we're very close. I go there,

34:32

she made a room for Roe that is nicer

34:35

than my entire house. It's like a joke. And your family

34:37

lives in LA too. And my family lives in LA. Is

34:39

that a lot? No, we

34:41

got lucky with this. My parents are happily

34:44

married and have been for almost 40 years.

34:47

And they've been together 40 fucking four

34:49

years. They are the most, and I'm

34:51

not just saying this to you, they're

34:53

like eating at their kitchen counter like

34:55

normal fucking people. Like they're so, I

34:58

got so blessed. Okay, that's good. Yes,

35:00

good. You obviously have been with Jordan

35:02

for how many years now? Oh

35:04

my God, 2020, we started to be together. We

35:08

are gonna be married only two years in December. It

35:11

feels like we've been together for 25 years. I love it. How

35:14

do your personalities compliment each other? I

35:17

am so external and extroverted and he's

35:19

extroverted in a different way. So he's

35:21

more introverted and calm and reads situations

35:23

really well and is a really good

35:25

judge of character. I have a harder

35:27

time with that. I'm really

35:29

open and vulnerable upon meeting people. And then I'm

35:31

like, fuck, why did I do that?

35:33

Shit, I don't trust you. I don't like you. And then I

35:35

have to backpedal. He's very good at

35:38

like balancing me out. Every time I'm in a bad

35:40

mood or don't feel good about something, he can talk

35:42

me off a ledge. I'm working on being able to

35:44

do that for him because he's like, if he gets

35:46

upset about something, I'm like, don't worry about it. And

35:48

it's like, no, you have to validate someone's feelings which

35:50

I talked about my therapist. She was like, no, you

35:52

can't. You have to also make them feel because I'm

35:54

like, get in the game. We're fucking fine. Charge through

35:56

it. He's like, can you just be in my feelings

35:58

with me? I'm like, oh. You're like,

36:00

oh, right, right. Hate killings. But

36:03

yeah. Oh, wow. That's really interesting.

36:05

But when he needs a cry, you're like, fuck

36:07

up. I'm working on it. Cause that's

36:09

how I've been. Cuddle him. Yes. I'm sweet.

36:11

I validate. But we also think the exact same

36:13

way about 90% of things. Anything

36:16

we watch on TV, anything we see, we have the

36:18

exact same immediate reaction at the same speed, which is

36:20

very rare. That is so rare. And I think that

36:23

when that happens, you got to hold onto it. That's

36:25

why we came back around. When

36:27

you guys had children, was there anything

36:30

that completely shifted in your relationship? No,

36:33

I think we were really, really, really on

36:35

the same page about making sure that our

36:37

relationship was a priority and we couldn't be

36:39

completely only centered around our children.

36:41

So smart. You have to do that. Or you

36:43

just will not survive. At all. Because

36:46

there's always something to do. There's always something to fix. There's always something

36:48

to talk about. And at one point we did have to peel

36:50

back on getting the

36:52

house in order and having the right people around.

36:55

And he finally at dinner was kind of like,

36:57

you need to learn to stop talking

37:00

after people leave. You need

37:02

to just relax and enjoy your life and stop

37:04

worrying about things that can't be changed right now.

37:06

Because I am such a doer. I want to

37:08

get things fixed immediately. He's like, you just can't.

37:11

Oh, that's nice. I feel calmer from hearing his

37:13

words. Yeah, it is. Just, I think

37:15

I'm a little like that. Like just a

37:18

little much. And my boyfriend's always like, how about

37:20

you just like calm down? Yeah. When

37:22

they do that, now I don't get upset. Because if another

37:24

boyfriend in the past would say that, I'd be like, shut

37:26

the fuck up. But now I know my partner's coming from

37:28

a good place. Exactly. So it's healthier. Yes. I

37:31

brought you here to talk about weddings. Okay. Okay. Because

37:33

I've never really talked about them on my show.

37:35

You've had two. I've had two. All the experience

37:38

you need. So first of all, the

37:40

first time around you had your wedding, it was a

37:42

big elaborate wedding. Yeah, 150 people, yeah. How

37:45

did you decide to have a big wedding? To

37:47

be honest, that's not even that big. It's

37:49

not? It's not even that big. I feel like now, like, I feel

37:51

like a big wedding is 300 people. 250,

37:53

300 people. You could never do it. And by never

37:55

doing it, you don't ever do that. Because your parents have a lot

37:57

of friends and they want them there. That's not because of you. about

38:00

my parents about me. Exactly. Exactly.

38:02

Okay, so you had a small, how did you

38:04

decide to do a COVID wedding? Because I know a lot

38:06

of people push theirs back. It was just, I didn't want

38:08

to do a whole thing again. I really, it was about

38:11

the two of us. I knew that it was the right,

38:13

right situation. And we just wanted to do it. It really,

38:15

people are like, Oh, you were pre- nothing to do with

38:17

that. I even at the point where we're dating, I was

38:19

like, if you don't want to get engaged right away, like

38:21

I don't mind. I mean, I'm happy to just do this

38:23

with you because I knew Roe happened the first time anything

38:26

happened. The first time. Wait

38:28

until you're saying the first time you guys had

38:30

sex ever had unprotected sex. I got pregnant. Holy

38:33

shit. It was bananas.

38:35

We're even trying not even for, I was wasted on

38:37

my birthday. We had unprotected sex. I was like, I

38:39

can just pop a pill for that. Right. I was

38:41

like, nothing's going to even happen. I mean, you hear

38:43

stories that it takes months and months and months. I

38:45

knew that when I made the decision to have the

38:47

unprotected sex in my drunken state, I was like, if

38:50

this were to happen, which it's not going to, I

38:52

feel confident enough with this person being the person

38:54

who's going to be the father of my child.

38:56

That's great. But it was fucking nuts. Four weeks

38:58

of the day I was positive on a pregnancy

39:01

test. It was wild. I was like, what? Yeah.

39:03

When you took the pregnancy test, were you

39:05

like one day late? And I was like, it's positive.

39:09

And I took 30 more and then what

39:12

did you just had a conversation with Jordan and you were

39:14

like, fine. I'm like, we're just going to have a baby.

39:16

And he was fine. And he was fine. And he was

39:18

thrilled. We weren't, we wanted it. I

39:20

just didn't think it was going to happen. Totally.

39:22

Like at that timeline. That's why, cause I

39:24

think weddings, like I'm interested by your smaller

39:26

wedding versus bigger wedding, because I think a

39:29

lot of people feel so much pressure to

39:31

like have the big wedding or have all

39:33

these people there. And half the time, I

39:35

feel like when you do that, it's for

39:37

other people. It's not even for the people

39:39

getting fucking married. It's for all the family

39:41

members to like fulfill a need of theirs,

39:44

whether it's like to show off or validation

39:46

or just see all their fucking friends. Do

39:48

you have any advice for anyone that's like trying

39:50

to figure out like what kind of wedding they want? I

39:52

think the idea for a big wedding is really, if that's

39:54

something you want, I don't think you should be ashamed by

39:56

that. I think you should go for it. I definitely think

39:59

you should think about. about who you're genuinely going. On

40:01

the friend side, family's more obligatory. You have to

40:03

invite certain family members. I think on the friend

40:05

side, do you really feel like this couple is

40:07

gonna be there for 10 years down the road?

40:09

Because it's also like, well, we like her, but

40:11

we don't like him. And it's kind of like,

40:13

you need to really just make sure that you're

40:15

not inviting people to invite them. I

40:17

completely agree. And I feel like that happens a lot of

40:19

times. I've seen people at their weddings and they're like, I

40:21

feel like I haven't even talked to anyone that I care

40:23

about. Like, oh my God, where have you guys been the

40:25

whole night? And I think that's sad if you don't get

40:27

to enjoy your actual wedding, which I'm interested to know. So

40:29

you enjoyed your smaller wedding. I preferred it. And

40:32

I'm not just saying that because it's like

40:34

my current husband. I genuinely felt relaxed. I

40:36

felt happy. I didn't feel exhausted. I was

40:38

able to enjoy soaking in. I remember the

40:40

meal we had. I remember the cake. I

40:42

remember the photos. Like it's really about celebrating

40:44

the two of you. It's, and I

40:46

don't care how much money you have. We could have had the

40:48

biggest wedding in the world, but it's like, we didn't want to

40:50

spend that time small talking with other people. I

40:53

love it. Also bridesmaids, let's quickly talk about it.

40:55

Oh God. Do you think they're going out of

40:57

style? What is your, yeah. It's

41:00

really dated. I just, and

41:02

like most of the girls that I, oh my God,

41:04

I can't even remember six. Oh

41:06

wow. I mean, I speak to most of them,

41:08

but like, it's just not, it's just having girls

41:11

stand up there with you. It's, I

41:13

would avoid it. Were they all wearing the same dress? Yes.

41:17

I know. I know. I

41:21

know. It's, I know. Listen,

41:23

if people are listening and you want to

41:25

have a bride bridesmaid, that's totally fine. I

41:27

just think you shouldn't feel pressured to because

41:29

you're supposed to like have that many people standing up there

41:32

with you. Get up there alone, bitch. Do your thing. Exactly.

41:35

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43:37

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43:39

do it. You were on, like I said, the show Rich

43:41

Kids of Beverly Hills. Yes. Which I mean, what a

43:43

name, what a name for a show. It

43:46

was insane. Looking back. Yes. Were you

43:48

playing a character? No,

43:50

I wasn't playing a character. I was just a younger

43:52

version of who I am now and I don't, I

43:54

don't relate to that person as much anymore. Okay. No,

43:56

I wasn't, I wasn't playing a character. I definitely felt

43:59

like maybe I was. More turned up in

44:01

moments and like there was storylines we had

44:03

to fulfill. Because it is ultimately no matter

44:05

what, they follow reality. but you have to.

44:08

A bell as you have to make. Like. Gray

44:10

areas poppy of to refill thing. So yeah with

44:12

a job would put it that way. Okay so

44:14

it wasn't a full character, but you were kind

44:17

of when you look back. would you like and

44:19

dislike about that either? Launch a lot of it

44:21

to be honest. I. Really why I put

44:23

myself out there for other people to enjoy me you're not

44:25

into a meter wasn't for me to sit back and be

44:28

like oh my god you're on T V sorry real and

44:30

my interview looks were so bad that was such an

44:32

A group an early start of gland the I had no

44:34

fucking clue about so it was just it's tough to watch

44:36

back. I get that I can. I mean I even with

44:38

my podcast sometimes them like. How.

44:41

A few burrow with and all, how do you

44:43

feel the public? For years of just podcasting on

44:45

the internet and I'm like. Nah! Great. I

44:47

mean it's not great like I don't hate

44:49

it but I don't love it. Yeah certain

44:51

things that I'm like why did I say

44:53

that know how oh no by we I

44:55

felt like I was way that I guess

44:57

like Picchu your amateur insecure originally but what

44:59

you are is like a younger version of

45:02

yourself. That's what I feel like people have

45:04

to understand like some hunted look back at

45:06

when you put your life on the internet.

45:08

Are you on T V People scrutinize you

45:10

for one thing you like I was how

45:12

old and now I'm like I'm different for

45:14

i became a good them per se and.

45:16

If you documented your cell abseiled that

45:19

age, hopefully you'd be a different person

45:21

five years later also, right? And

45:23

Bill Buckley lock exactly Likely Okay see you don't keep

45:25

the character but you just look back and you like.

45:27

I was a for the little bit more aggressive I

45:29

was a little bit more aggressive and I wasn't as

45:32

happy you know what I mean and I also hadn't

45:34

had five years as they are or how how did

45:36

you like though mean that show. I liked it, I

45:38

was deathly. I took it very much as like this

45:40

is a stepping stone and work towards getting on the

45:42

show. not that specific show but a show in general

45:45

and I treated it very much like a job like

45:47

I was on time to things like it was fun

45:49

be right friends with them but with the people on

45:51

it but it needed it was the job. What

45:53

are you like in a social setting when

45:55

you're drunk? Give. us like

45:57

you're allowed line very nice

46:00

Oh, I am like we're going here. What about

46:02

this? Oh my god, you told me you were

46:04

interested in that I get like high off of

46:07

being able to be louder because I'm wasted and

46:09

then I am inviting you everywhere We are going

46:11

to Rome and then I'm like, oh no, we're

46:13

not we're not going to Rome Like I am

46:15

like engaging you're the person that meets people in

46:17

the bathroom and you're like guys come to the

46:20

table. Yes I'm

46:22

that person I've been I'm like an internal club rat

46:24

no matter how old I am Like I just like

46:26

love to talk to people but then I also if

46:28

I get cornered and I don't want to talk then

46:30

I have A serious psycho breakdown. Okay,

46:33

cuz I don't know how to I don't know how to get out of the

46:35

conversation I was talking about that was

46:37

something the other day where I was at an event

46:39

and someone was stuck and you just can see It

46:41

like everyone can see it when you're in a social

46:43

setting and it's the nature of what happens You start

46:46

talking someone totally genuine conversation whatever But like it's forced

46:48

because you guys don't really know each other and it

46:50

was just more supposed to be like a hi Are

46:53

you like oh so good to see you here and then

46:55

you're supposed to keep flowing But then all of a sudden

46:58

everyone else is in conversation and you're stuck with that first

47:00

It's like your partner for the night Mm-hmm And you I'm

47:02

always with the partner for the night and then I

47:04

almost get I get so fucking crazy that I will

47:06

be like We're seeing it through now. We're fucking signed

47:08

up for this. Keep telling me about your mom. What

47:10

mental illness did she have? Oh, tell me about your

47:12

parents divorce when you were 12. Why the fuck am

47:15

I in this deep? This is what happens. I get

47:17

fucking blind and I keep going I do too and

47:19

I'm on the tunnel And now I'm like well, we

47:21

can talk about this. Like here's my like my number

47:23

like my number I'll give you my therapist. Hey, we

47:25

can get through this. We'll get lunch Right,

47:34

right just say hi, how are you

47:37

and just I know a good

47:39

host I'm gonna start to like implement that into my parties of

47:41

like you guys have been talking along and

47:43

it's nothing mean No, it's genuinely like sometimes you don't

47:45

need to have a conversation that long with someone No

47:47

And you could just say I gotta go but sometimes

47:49

if the other person's not reading the queue it can

47:51

get a little awkward Oh my god, I've been there

47:53

so many times exhausting because sometimes they really are excited

47:55

to have the conversation I know and you're like, yeah,

47:58

and there's other times where I want to talk for now to someone.

48:00

Yeah. Don't get it twisted. Like it's usually not somebody

48:02

you've just met unless it's you and I.

48:05

You're all like guys. Yeah, exactly. If someone can't

48:07

shut the fuck up, but it's like a good

48:09

can't shut the fuck up. Great. If someone's so

48:11

self centered and just keeps talking about themselves and

48:13

you're like, do you even know my name? Yeah.

48:15

Then that's where you want to do. Yeah. Yeah.

48:17

I agree. Um, what is the current social media

48:19

trend that makes you cringe? Oh my God. All

48:21

of it. I feel like the Tik TOK, I

48:23

mean, I feel like I'm just, I, I, no

48:25

shade to it. I love it, but I just

48:27

cannot. I don't have a, I don't know. I

48:29

can't find, I'm like trying to do Beyonce cuff

48:31

it. I'm trying to fucking figure it out. I'm

48:33

trying to do that. And I can't, it shifts

48:35

a lot every day. I can't even

48:38

post on Tik TOK. I try, but like, I just

48:40

can't, I can't get it down. I can't get it

48:42

down. Also like our photos just not good enough anymore.

48:44

Like, do you want me to take a video of

48:46

me walking down the street and pretending like I don't

48:49

know? Cause I tried in Napa. You know what happened?

48:51

It was terrific. Okay. It was, it

48:53

was so bad that I was like, how the fuck does this,

48:55

who took the video for you? I said, you

48:57

have to take a video of my outfit. Cause I can't just get a

48:59

photo. I need to do walking. He goes, okay, here.

49:01

It was so much nose.

49:04

It was so much. It was so bad. It

49:06

just, I can't, you just knew that's the thing

49:08

that's awful is, or even like the photos where

49:10

we're trying to like pretend we're not looking. We

49:12

know someone who is holding our own personal iPhone

49:15

and taking the photo and what has become cool

49:17

about that. I'm doing it too. I'm like looking

49:19

down, looking away, like just look at the camera.

49:21

What happened to this? I know the smiling at

49:23

the photo. I swear I'm going to bring it

49:26

back. That's what we should do. I should, I

49:28

cannot keep pretending like, Oh, there's a bird. Oh

49:30

my God. Oh, and

49:32

I'm looking down. It's been years of social

49:34

media and I still have no fucking idea.

49:36

Yeah, it's time. Like this small, small, we

49:40

have so much better. I'm not doing the

49:42

pressure. I'm not doing anymore. Or just stare at the camera.

49:44

We acknowledge we know there is a

49:46

husband or a boyfriend or a best

49:48

friend or a mom or a grandma

49:51

crouching to get the angle. Exactly. Acknowledge

49:53

them. Exactly. I'm with you. I agree.

49:55

Okay. Well, this is making me feel

49:57

better. Okay. When you wrapped your show

49:59

after five seasons. your parting gift

50:01

from your team was a book of

50:03

some of your best quotes. What was

50:05

your favorite quote from the book? It

50:08

was something about like you not knowing your dad.

50:11

What was it? It was like if you're in

50:13

a, if you're in heels by the pool, like you don't know

50:15

your dad or something like that. Because

50:18

really why, why are you in heels by the pool? Like

50:22

I don't, like, are you gonna, like, are you gonna slip and

50:24

break your neck? Like you were really trying for something. Like you

50:26

need to call someone else. If

50:28

you're in heels by the pool, you don't know

50:30

your dad. Yeah, and you have like a thigh

50:33

tattoo that you regret. And like you're in like

50:35

a black zipper-y, like something that's uncomfortable for the

50:37

labia to be in. Wait, what do you feel

50:39

about the wedge? Or like the one with the

50:42

cork underneath essentially? Listen. It looks like a plank

50:44

from Home Depot. Home Depot. I don't hate a

50:46

wedge. It's a specific, you gotta be specific about

50:49

the wedge. But I like white or black. When

50:51

things are in the gray, I have a very

50:53

hard time, I spiral. Okay, I need things to

50:55

be very clear. You're either my best friend or

50:57

you're not my friend. I can't have you like kind of

50:59

be a friend to me, whatever. I'm getting to the wedge part

51:01

of it all. A wedge is

51:04

the gray, right? Because you're not wearing it by the pool

51:06

if you have any clue. And

51:09

you're not wearing it to dinner unless

51:11

you're on vacation. So it's sort of

51:13

a useless shoe, unless that's your heel

51:15

of choice, which like doesn't feel formal

51:18

enough for me. How much

51:20

time do I have to know all these opinions? It's

51:22

kind of weird. No, this is good. This is good.

51:24

So to me, I'm overwhelmed by the idea of a

51:26

wedge because it's useless to me. But I bought a

51:28

pair of wedges over the summer. They had pom poms

51:30

on them. I brought them on vacation and I never

51:33

ended up wearing them. And so I wore them on

51:35

my show one time. But like a wedge just does

51:37

not serve conducive to getting dressed. I agree with you.

51:39

Yeah, I'm not wearing wedges with jeans. It's not 2008.

51:42

Oh, no, no, no. No, I agree. They're not

51:44

the cutest also. They're comfortable. Yeah, they're

51:46

definitely comfortable. But like, you're not, they're not comfortable

51:48

in the sense that like, I'm wearing them to

51:50

Coachella. Or that's scary. Who's wearing

51:52

those to Coachella? Nobody. I

51:55

hope nobody you're talking to. No, nobody. What

51:57

did you think about the boot is in

51:59

right now? The knee

52:01

or above the knee or below like whatever

52:03

you I think to the knee or high

52:06

up I think they both work an

52:08

ankle High an ankle boot

52:11

that's healed is it's

52:13

unacceptable It's never it

52:16

never elongates. It never looks good.

52:19

You're not doing yourself a favor It

52:21

doesn't look good on Irena fucking shake if

52:23

you have an ankle boot return it It

52:28

is I don't care if it's a sock booty

52:30

and it's the most flattering version it does not

52:32

look good It's cutting off

52:34

your leg whether your legs nine feet long

52:36

or two feet long. They're awful

52:39

a black suede ankle boot

52:43

Makes me want to clench my asshole and I can't

52:45

I owned one of those in college Yeah, I thought

52:47

I was like Rocking and then there's like throw up

52:49

on the side because you've walked through it and then

52:52

there's like a little change like that Oh Okay,

52:57

so when you I love how I'm asking you

52:59

fashion advice, but I think this can like help

53:02

a lot of people No, like we're lost out

53:04

here. Okay, so it's either to the knee Yes,

53:06

or high as high high to the point where

53:08

you're not getting like if you're wearing a skirt

53:10

It's it's the skirt is covering like you wanted

53:12

to be extensive leather. Do you think that looks

53:14

hoeish though? Let's know where no, it's not how

53:16

wish because we are covering so skirt. So boot

53:20

skirt We don't want let

53:22

we don't want this showing we don't want

53:24

an ounce of skin showing you also not

53:27

to confuse You can wear pantyhose under the

53:29

thigh-high boot and wear a booty short like

53:31

a leather booty short with a baggy sweater

53:33

That reads classy and cute, but if you're

53:36

doing skirt, no pantyhose and boot that showing

53:38

Trash or disgusting which by the way, I

53:41

am the biggest trash whore, but I just not in terms

53:43

of dressing. Okay, this is good Yeah,

53:45

it's giving everything you're calling out is like Alex

53:48

in college. Exactly. No, by the way We've

53:50

all been there. So if you're in college

53:53

do what we're doing actually You

53:55

want to try for exactly it's the best

53:58

to be the small like

54:00

people also like do these little tricks that they're like why

54:02

doesn't it look the same on me and those little details

54:04

are why it works on like the people these girls are

54:06

following. I got it and so when

54:09

you're doing a boot though and you're wearing long pants

54:11

yes you just the pants go over the

54:13

boot okay yes so if you're doing an ankle boot

54:15

for that purpose and it's

54:17

covered and you don't know it's ambiguous

54:19

in terms of the height fine but if you're

54:22

doing have you ever seen someone wear an ankle

54:24

boot with a dress yeah no no stocking yes

54:26

it's it's just unacceptable it's not making you look

54:28

better in any way okay so while we're wrapping

54:30

up because this is actually great i never talk

54:33

about fashion on color daddy but i actually think

54:35

this is fucking helpful because it it really is

54:37

good i'm so happy we need to learn for

54:40

fall yes what are some

54:42

like go-to's we need to just be rocking wearing

54:45

living in i think it should always everyone should

54:47

have two oversized crew neck sweaters two oversized and

54:49

i think you i'm somebody that like believes in

54:51

investing in like a higher priced item even if

54:54

you can't buy them a lot because you have

54:56

them what's your go-to outfit

54:58

for like a fun sexy date night i

55:01

always have like all this shit and i'm

55:03

always like in a really fitted like skinny

55:05

crop ankle jean with like a

55:07

blazer of some kind and like a t-shirt

55:09

underneath and a heel like that is like

55:11

what i am comfortable in that's what i

55:13

go to skinny crop jean heel it

55:16

should always be a little bit high

55:18

on the ankle high on the ankle not all the

55:20

way down where you're like no it needs we should

55:22

have done a fucking vlog episode where i come over

55:24

and we try to unclothe by the way i'm ready

55:26

maybe we do that let's do it i'm ready because

55:29

like we need help i and those

55:31

are studying these help you're

55:34

like i can help you anytime you want

55:37

okay i want to know yeah what

55:39

are you doing next your show just

55:41

ended show just ended i'm in the

55:43

process of working i'll be

55:45

very detailed with you right now i'm working out a

55:48

budget for a pilot i'm going to shoot for a

55:50

show idea that i've had for a really long time

55:53

and i'm not going to say exactly what the

55:55

show is but it is definitely something that i

55:57

for years have just been like i don't feel

55:59

like my multiple Multi-layered self has

56:01

been shown. There's

56:03

always a version of who I am. There's

56:05

a very empathetic, very nice side of me.

56:08

I'm just gonna talk all about how great I am. And

56:11

generous, and I'm actually a pretty decent person and

56:14

somebody I've become, that I've started to really like

56:16

after all the work I've done. And

56:18

I feel like that doesn't get exposed enough. And

56:20

so this show will interweave a little bit more

56:22

of the different layers of who I am. So

56:24

are you gonna have a reality show? It's not

56:26

gonna be reality. There will be

56:28

snippets of reality, but it will

56:31

not be reality. When you're saying that you really

56:33

come to like yourself, what is

56:35

that evolution? I think that I've worked

56:38

a lot on myself, especially in the last four years,

56:40

and I've really learned why I worked the way I

56:42

did for so many years and ended up leaving relationships

56:44

really in a sort of a messy place and friendships

56:47

in a messy place. And I just feel like I

56:49

now understand certain things have happened to me over my

56:51

life that I understand now why I operated that way.

56:53

And now I'm moving away from that because I'm undoing

56:56

all of that. And so I feel

56:58

like I get to be a better version of

57:00

myself. And so that version I would like to

57:02

be out in the world more. And it's also hard

57:04

to like self-produce yourself every day to post video. It's

57:06

like, it's a lot. I'm exhausted. I don't

57:08

wanna do that all the time. But- I

57:10

love that for you also so exciting cause like you're

57:12

now raising children. Exactly. And just like the fact that

57:15

you're feeling like you're the best version of yourself. Therapy,

57:17

a godsend. A

57:19

godsend. And I mean, I'm

57:22

so excited for the show whenever it comes

57:24

out. And I'm gonna ask you- I think

57:26

May. I think I'll be filming in May.

57:29

Oh yeah. I've manifested everything in my entire

57:31

life. Anything you want in your entire life, you just

57:33

say it. Anything.

57:36

I'm gonna, oh, I want, I'm gonna date him. Okay.

57:39

Except for John Mayer, everything has happened. Except

57:41

for John Mayer, but honestly, I will be

57:43

checking the news moving forward because

57:45

I could see it happening now. Yeah. There

57:48

is gonna be like all of a sudden they allow a

57:50

third into their relationship. And they had a one night free

57:52

with John Mayer. Oh my God. No, I

57:54

love you. Thank you so much for coming on the show.

57:56

Thank you so much for having me. So fun. The daddy's gonna

57:58

love you and we're taking notes on the fashion. I love it.

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