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And we're in different places today, which

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very rarely happens, happens in case of emergent

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see. I am in the

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office. Claire, where are you? I'm at home

1:06

with my friend, COVID. Okay.

1:13

You and I still can't say COVID. We have

1:15

to say COVID because that is how

1:17

Norman sponsored in Coronado cast.

1:19

We're hit by another surge of COVID

1:21

nineteen. COVID is so many years. COVID

1:24

with his Scottish accent. You've been struck

1:26

down by the COVID for I don't know. The eighth

1:28

time or something. Like, are you

1:30

doing okay? No one cares. That's not what they're here

1:32

for. They're here for celebrity gossip.

1:34

When I told our producer, she had a great

1:36

point. She said, your immune system's a light

1:38

to go. And I thought, you know what? Your

1:40

immune system is a light to go. Light to

1:42

go. She's a light to go. I never wanted

1:45

to say it. But, dear, God, she

1:47

lays you. Yes. But

1:49

she's not ready. Celebrity gossip

1:51

waits for no one. Mm-mm. And that is

1:53

why the show must go on. Correct. Claire,

1:55

who are we doing today? On today's episode,

1:57

we're talking about Ariana Grande.

1:59

Please welcome Ariana Grande.

2:02

Hi, Laura. It's Ariana Grande. And

2:05

today, I'm gonna be breaking down. Get it up for

2:07

Ariana Grande. Yo. Ariana

2:09

Grande here today. Ariana

2:13

Grande Buterra is a singer,

2:16

songwriter, and actress known for such

2:18

bangers as dangerous woman, positions,

2:20

No tears left to Thank you

2:22

next, and her collaboration with Lady

2:24

Gaga, Rain on me. According

2:33

to the internet, Ariana Grande

2:35

is the most streamed female artist

2:37

and Jesse, here's the thing

2:39

about facts. I don't

2:42

always believe them. How

2:44

are you seriously telling me that

2:46

Ariana Grande has been

2:48

streamed more times than Taylor Swift.

2:50

Then Miley Cyrus, then Madonna,

2:53

every time a song comes out, it is the most

2:55

streamed song of all time. And I've had it.

2:58

I've had it. I heard it about Sam Smith.

3:00

Sam Smith. My streams downloaded, but

3:02

I'm a researcher, so I checked.

3:04

And what is confusing is that by

3:06

streamed, they don't just mean Spotify.

3:08

I guess it's like Apple too. But Taylor

3:10

Swift is the most streamed artist on Spotify.

3:13

So that's a lesson for the children. Always

3:16

check. Don't trust with you.

3:18

Okay. The Ariana Grande

3:20

has had some songs, so that I have been listening

3:22

to. Quite a lot. Some may

3:24

say. Speaking of facts, a fun

3:27

fact about Ariana Grande is

3:29

that whenever we do stories about her

3:31

on the website, People don't click.

3:34

Do they just like Selena

3:36

Gomez. There are particular stories

3:39

on our site where people start and they go

3:42

Oh, should we do a story about Ariana Grande's

3:44

breakup when we go, I'm so sorry. You've only been

3:46

here a week. What you don't appear to know

3:48

is that our audience doesn't care about Ariana

3:51

They only care about

3:53

Olivia Fraser from two seasons

3:56

ago on Made at first site. Do understand. And

3:58

they're like that so sad. And we're like, it

4:00

may be. But it is also the

4:02

way the world works. We nervous

4:04

about doing this episode because

4:07

we thought oh, we'll know. Be clicks on it. What's

4:09

the point of doing? Podcast. You know what it's like? It's like

4:11

the time that we did Brooklyn Dechem and Claire,

4:13

you said the effect of magazine that I

4:15

said he's sunk magazines. Because he can't put

4:17

him on the cover because no one will buy it. That is

4:20

Ariana Grande. This is a canceled episode

4:22

that we'll sync canceled. Exactly,

4:24

but I think our listeners will

4:26

under stand that we don't care

4:29

about Ariana's breakup. We do

4:31

care about Ariana Grande Licking

4:33

Donna. Yes. So That's If you are

4:35

listening and you're like, I don't care

4:37

about Ariana Grande. Same. Yes.

4:39

Same. We're not talking about,

4:41

like, Pete Davidson. Like, no one gives

4:43

a crap. We're talking about donuts.

4:46

Before we get started, Jesse, I

4:48

have a theory about Ariana Grande,

4:50

and I've always thought it and I've never been

4:52

able to articulate it. She

4:54

likes being little.

5:00

Yes. Yes. I've heard this said,

5:02

particularly about tall women

5:04

will say it resentfully about

5:07

smaller women who put on a

5:09

baby voice. And they're like, you're obsessed with being

5:11

small, being small, being short, being little,

5:13

being petite is your entire personality. As

5:15

a short person I used to get defensive, now

5:17

I acknowledge it is absolutely a thing. And

5:20

it is annoying. Because so one of

5:22

our favorite podcast is called sentimental

5:24

garbage, and they did a series called

5:26

sentimental in the city, and they said this about

5:28

Carrie Bradshaw. That she was

5:30

obsessed. Plastic small

5:32

girl syndrome. She loved being in

5:34

heels. The heels are almost

5:36

high enough to put me face to face with

5:38

Natasha. If Natasha was

5:40

flat. Like, the fact that Big was

5:42

called Big. Like, she just liked

5:44

to be tiny. Yes. And Ariana

5:46

Grande has the same energy.

5:49

Like, she is like, I'm so

5:51

small. And look at my big shoes.

5:53

I'm just a baby. I

5:55

didn't get a baby. I'm just

5:57

a baby. Why won't you play with

5:59

me? I'm gonna wear ponytail. Yeah.

6:01

Exactly. Because I'm just in primary

6:03

school. Like, she does kind of have that vibe and she's

6:05

always kind of looking up people, and she's

6:07

white eyed, and she always looks thirteen,

6:09

which is a little bit sexual, I

6:11

suppose. But yes, this is absolutely

6:13

a thing. So that's just an observation

6:15

I thought I introduced into the courtroom --

6:17

Yeah. -- for the vibe. But my structure

6:19

for today is as follows. Firstly,

6:22

Diva demands, including a rumor

6:24

from a shoot in Sydney, the

6:26

donut looking incident, an awkward

6:28

conversation about race, and a word

6:30

on enunciation. Let's

6:32

begin. Jesse,

6:35

you've probably heard about the recent

6:37

memoir I'm glad my mom

6:39

died by Jeanette McCurdy. Yeah. Apparently

6:41

it's great. Yes. I've heard great

6:43

things about it. I did

6:46

know that Jeanette McCurdy starred

6:49

opposite Ariana Grande in

6:52

the shows on Nickelodeon, like Aikali

6:54

and Sam and Cat. Mhmm. Now,

6:57

she was obviously really close.

6:59

To Ariana just as her career

7:01

was exploding. And she writes in her book

7:03

that when they were twenty one, they're

7:05

on a Carly and McCurdy

7:07

wants to do feature films. And she keeps

7:09

going to the execs. I mean, like, hey, I've had this

7:11

offer to do a feature film. And they're like,

7:13

we can't because you're doing this shady

7:16

show you don't. She's

7:18

like, alright. So she can't leave.

7:20

Yeah. And then she said

7:22

she absolutely lost it and the point where

7:24

she just couldn't like Ariana Grande

7:26

anymore was when? Ariana

7:29

was going to the Billboard Music Awards

7:32

during filming. So she was not gonna be

7:34

there for an entire week of shooting. And

7:36

it had been decided that in

7:38

Ariana's absence, they

7:40

were going to have her character

7:43

locked in a box for the entire episode like Ariana

7:45

Grande would be locked in a box. Thank you, miss Valentine.

7:48

Now if you please step inside the box.

7:51

Okay. I'm there. You okay

7:53

in there? Yeah. It's kinda

7:55

cozy. Narratively, that is

7:57

flawed. But I

7:59

respect it. It's just flawed. And

8:01

so Jeanette McCurdy was like, not only

8:04

does Ariana Grande get to go

8:06

to these awards and sing and meet all the celebrities.

8:08

But I now have to act

8:11

on a set of blocks. Okay. A

8:13

few things here. I can see her going,

8:15

well, why can't I be in a box? If we're just putting

8:17

people in boxes, if they have elsewhere to be, I can

8:19

be in a box. But the thing that she's forgetting

8:21

is that Ariana is a little. And

8:24

being in a box is a very little person

8:26

thing to do. Like, no tall woman

8:29

is climbing into a box. Because she's like,

8:31

this is infantilizing. But Ariana Grande

8:33

is like, give me a matchbox. I

8:36

will. Yeah. Girl up. Do you know how

8:38

little people are obsessed with, like, being

8:40

able to fit into, like, a

8:42

drawer -- Yeah. -- or a suitcase or something. They're

8:44

like, well, what else more? I am. It's like,

8:46

I can't explain why this is annoying.

8:50

Stop being so small. You

8:53

just know that Ariana was like,

8:55

well, Janette, like, you couldn't fit.

8:57

In the box. So that's

9:00

why it wouldn't work. But I do

9:02

think this is a two

9:04

types of people thing because

9:07

Well Ariana, yes.

9:09

Her career was exploding, so the

9:11

execs were more likely to say, yeah, you can do

9:13

the Billboard Music Awards. We'll work

9:16

around you. It also takes a certain person to be

9:18

able to look their friend in the eye and be

9:20

like, I'm going, you'll be

9:22

acting opposite a box. And

9:24

I do think between me and

9:26

you, you're the Ariana. I'm the

9:28

Janette. And guess what the world rewards,

9:30

Claire? Arianne, it's a woman in the box. It

9:32

always rewards the woman

9:34

who's like, I'll keep this full time

9:36

job thanks and get paid for it.

9:38

I'll be in a box. And I'll be at

9:40

the award show. What I need you to do is

9:42

work three times as hard in my absence.

9:45

Bye. That is

9:47

you. That it was just kind of

9:49

the beginning of the diva behavior. That's

9:51

not necessarily her diva behavior,

9:53

but Ariana Grande

9:55

will only be photographed from

9:57

her left side. Photoshoot one

10:01

side. I need to

10:03

be good looking

10:05

all the time. And

10:07

I can recall this fact

10:09

quicker than I could tell you who the prime minister of

10:11

Australia. Alright. It's like I know this in

10:13

my DNA. I also know this in

10:15

my DNA and I relate

10:17

so strongly because I think that from

10:19

my left side, I am

10:21

a five on my wedding

10:23

date, potentially, we're trying to get to a

10:25

six. On my right,

10:27

I am A3I

10:29

can't explain it. It's the shape of my

10:31

nose. My chin looks very

10:33

different. My hair sits differently.

10:35

Right now, we are filming this

10:38

like we do it for, you know, like

10:40

TikTok, that kind of thing. Yeah. It's

10:42

angling to my left side and I'm not mad about it. When

10:44

it's a right side day, feel

10:46

weird for the whole record. So I

10:48

get it. I get it as well, but

10:50

I think what she doesn't acknowledge

10:52

is that there are advantages

10:54

and disadvantages to the different

10:56

sides of the face. Like for

10:58

me, yes, my right

11:01

side of my teeth, straighter, but

11:03

it's also the side of my maul. You know what

11:05

I mean? Right. Right.

11:08

It's so tricky. So I guess it's

11:10

interesting that she hasn't really weighed those things

11:12

up. But former e

11:14

news host, Julianna Ransick, claims

11:17

that in two thousand and fourteen,

11:19

Grande pushed her to the other

11:21

side of the camera during an award show

11:23

interview so that she could be on the

11:25

left. Ramziq thought at that point

11:28

Grande was too young to be acting

11:30

like that. And she hadn't really

11:32

learned her dvastat. Have we told the

11:34

story on this podcast of the time? We're on the front page

11:36

of the paper and what you did to my face. I

11:39

don't think we have. So we were

11:41

on the front page paper following out

11:43

HSE in two thousand and eight. And

11:45

I don't think I knew my left side was

11:48

better. I didn't know a lot about

11:50

posing. A few things happened that day. The

11:52

first was that you used the last of the shampoo

11:54

and conditioner I remember that because I will look

11:56

back and look at my hair and it's just

11:58

you've never seen anything more horrific.

12:00

The second thing is I had nothing to wear

12:02

so I borrowed my mom's shit. Thing

12:04

is that then in the

12:06

photo, it's you and I like twins

12:08

do HSC. Same story every year.

12:10

Honestly, it's formulaic. People love twins.

12:12

But we're on the front and

12:14

you put your arm around my

12:17

neck and completely covered

12:19

my neck. Making me

12:21

look so ugly. I

12:23

can't to this day, people will

12:25

say, you know, people think you're ugly and they

12:27

don't wanna say it when they look at it and

12:29

they go I can't recognize you in

12:31

that. And that's a kind way of saying,

12:33

don't worry, you don't look like that. And that

12:35

was your fault. You cut off my neck, which

12:37

I needed. In that

12:39

picture for some depth and that kind of

12:41

thing. So I understand Ariana's

12:43

violent reaction to Juliana rancic.

12:46

Because that's what I should have done. We

12:48

should share that

12:51

photo to the twin's thoughts and just

12:53

to say it's Jesse overreacting, or is it

12:55

really a terrible photo? We should

12:57

do a poll because everyone will go, no. No. No. That

12:59

is actually the single ugliest. I've

13:01

seen of you, and it's also the only photo

13:03

that will ever exist of you on the front page of a

13:05

newspaper. Well,

13:07

you might also be able to relate

13:09

to Ariana Grande is the

13:11

havia during the Photoshoot in

13:13

Sydney. It's twenty fourteen

13:15

same year, not a good year for sweetie.

13:17

She's twenty one and she's promoting a

13:20

new album and she's at the Darling

13:22

Hotel in Sydney and she's being

13:24

photographed for a

13:26

tier one publication, Jesse.

13:28

Oh, the train one.

13:30

Can you give the listeners some context about

13:32

Emmett? Isn't that? And that used to

13:34

be the paper that you'd get when you got

13:36

the train as we always did.

13:38

The free paper that they handed out and

13:40

it had he is looking at you, my

13:42

single favorite section, which was

13:44

all about like I

13:46

keep seeing a girl on the train with

13:48

a blue backpack. And blonde hair,

13:50

and I think you're beautiful. And I was like,

13:52

that's me. Every time I would read it and go

13:54

these three people that talk about me, it was

13:56

never about me. It was a

13:59

fantastic paper, tier

14:01

one. I would call it closer

14:03

to a tier eleven paper. It

14:05

doesn't exist anymore, and I am

14:07

baffled, but Ariana Grande was posing for

14:09

MX. It just wasn't really a celebrity

14:11

newspaper for anything. The business model of

14:13

giving out free papers, I always wondered how

14:15

that was to sustain itself. But In

14:17

the end, it didn't work. No. It

14:19

didn't work. Apparently, there were

14:21

several media outlets there, and Grande's

14:24

people gave them a list of demands ahead

14:26

of the Including that there'd be no

14:28

natural light. I love

14:30

that. I love that. And that she was

14:32

only to be photographed from the left

14:34

side. While she was being photographed

14:36

by MX photographer, Chris

14:38

published, she apparently

14:40

watched Chris. Oh,

14:43

Chris, great photographer. She

14:47

apparently checked each frame

14:49

after it was taken and asked for them to

14:51

be deleted. If she didn't like, I

14:53

should have done this honestly, I wish I

14:55

knew my rights after a

14:57

few minutes. She left

14:59

because she didn't like how her top

15:01

looked, but she never came back.

15:03

And she canceled the rest of her shoes.

15:05

I love it. And I get that this

15:07

is inconvenient for media. Everyone's turned

15:09

up. MX is like, we reserved

15:11

the front page. And

15:13

we are now bankrupt. It

15:16

was the end of the day.

15:18

Remember you'd go out for a night on

15:20

the town in twenty twelve and you'd bring your

15:23

cannon and

15:25

take three hundred you get home the

15:27

next day, you're like I'm gonna post my

15:29

album with four hundred and eighty photos

15:31

of one night on my Facebook account. And

15:33

then you'd look at it and you'd go in hindsight.

15:35

I look like shit and you would never

15:37

never post them. Ariana

15:39

Grande was a woman of her time.

15:41

She was almost While

15:43

on that publicity tour, media

15:46

were also told not to

15:48

ask her about Mariah Carey

15:50

or Justin Bieber. And Just

15:52

while we touch on that, I do wanna remind

15:54

you, so this is twenty fourteen. In

15:56

twenty sixteen, Mariah

15:58

Carey insists did. She did not know

16:00

Ariana Grande. Ariana

16:02

Grande? Do you know her? No. Okay. You

16:04

don't know her. So why did Ariana Grande?

16:06

I hate her two years before?

16:08

No. She didn't hate her.

16:10

She loved her. So Mariah

16:12

Carey was always Ariana Grande's,

16:14

like, absolute was just

16:16

obsessed with her. Wow. I think

16:18

maybe at this stage, she had

16:20

maybe picked up that Mariah wasn't

16:23

rarely a fan of her. Okay. So I didn't

16:25

want that. Becoming a headline.

16:27

That's embarrassing. Also in

16:29

twenty fourteen, there were reports

16:32

The Ariana was demanding to

16:34

be carried around like a baby,

16:37

following big events, photoshoots,

16:39

and just other experiences generally

16:41

that made her die. I didn't get diabetes.

16:44

Right. It didn't help that

16:46

she had shared two

16:48

photos to our Instagram of her being carried,

16:50

with captions like post show

16:52

ritual and my feeder broken,

16:54

and long shoot day yesterday. I

16:56

couldn't walk or keep my eyes open by the time

16:58

we finished. Jesse, I

17:02

have sent you two photos of her

17:04

being carried. Yes. I want you to tell

17:06

me what your vibe is.

17:08

Firstly, being a baby as

17:10

a vibe. Secondly, I

17:12

am opening the pictures right now.

17:14

Scroll down. So I've got one

17:16

picture. It's not how we carry a

17:18

baby ish.

17:20

It's more like how you'd

17:22

carry a toddler, I suppose. Yeah,

17:25

I see it. She does like to be carried. I don't

17:27

think it's a baby thing. I think it's a I'm a small lady thing. Like,

17:29

I think this comes back to I'm a little lady.

17:31

She loves being a little lady with her shoes

17:33

that are too heavy. I would like

17:36

People treat me like a baby in that I would

17:38

like to be burp after I have a soft

17:40

drink, but I don't need to be carried like a

17:42

baby. Actually, that's true out of all

17:45

the things that I would like to be

17:47

treated like a baby

17:50

as. Does it

17:53

make sense? But all the ways I'd like to be treated like

17:55

a baby, I want to be

17:57

putting a crown -- Yep. -- and I want

17:59

a warm, like, a cloth

18:01

over that prem and I wanna go to Scheduled

18:03

nap times. Scheduled nap times.

18:05

And I also wanna be put to

18:07

bed and rubbed like, on

18:09

my back. Tasly, you

18:12

heard Ariana Grande's

18:15

imitation of a baby crying. Okay.

18:18

I have prepared this. You know how

18:20

celebrities will be like, I can

18:22

do a really good Australian

18:25

accent And then, like, the

18:27

host will be like Do it. And then, like, hi,

18:29

Nathan. It's like, okay. That's shit. But

18:31

because you are hot and rich, no one's ever told you

18:33

that shit. Mhmm. Not the case

18:35

with Ariana Grande. I'm gonna play

18:38

you. Her impression of

18:40

a crying baby is one of the

18:42

most confronting things ever hurting my life. Here

18:44

we go. What

18:52

do you think? That's terrifying. It's more

18:55

terrifying when you could say the visuals of it

18:57

coming out of a twenty something year

18:59

old woman. With, like, long hair.

19:01

Hate it. Hate

19:03

it. I hate it. Because,

19:05

okay, my theory with the being

19:08

carried thing. Is that she becomes

19:10

famous and she's like,

19:12

what's the go? How hard can

19:14

I push this? Yeah.

19:16

Yeah. She's like, if I'm this

19:18

famous, Do I still have to walk? Yes or

19:20

no? And apparently, the answer is no. Ladies

19:22

again? She's a lazy girl. It's a no, but

19:24

it won't fly well. And she's, like,

19:27

interesting. She had to actually put

19:29

out a statement because she was being

19:31

criticized so heavily for people

19:33

saying she now refuses to walk.

19:35

And the statement was a match how her

19:37

toes were bleeding because she had finished -- Yeah. --

19:39

she had been at five AM and blah blah

19:41

blah. She also acknowledged

19:44

this rumor when she did carpool karaoke with

19:46

James Korton in twenty eighteen. But

19:48

I read a thing that you insist on being

19:50

carried by, like, your security guard or something. I

19:52

haven't. There was a picture of me

19:54

being carried by my tour manager. Right.

19:56

Because I had just shot a video in pointe

19:58

shoes. Right. And I posted it because I thought it

20:00

was cute. Sure. And I like

20:02

my toes were bleeding. Oh, my goodness. And pain. Can I just say

20:04

though? Excellent carpool, karaoke.

20:06

Is it? She understood

20:09

the brief. She's just ripping

20:11

within the whole flight. It's

20:13

just lovely. She knew she had to

20:15

see her. Does

20:17

she have a good

20:20

voice? Oh, beautiful.

20:22

It's more like a caring level, seriously. She

20:24

has a voice for names. Okay. Alright.

20:27

But she denies

20:30

that she has ever

20:32

demanded to be carried around. And

20:34

then James Corden carries

20:36

her they get out of the car, and he

20:38

carries her into a Starbucks.

20:41

And she's like yelling at everybody being

20:43

like, I'm Ariana Grande and I demand

20:45

to be carried. Hello. I'm Ariana

20:47

Grande. I must be carried. It

20:49

was pretty funny. And then she

20:51

gets a grande latte. Full latte. What size would

20:53

she like? Oh, I'm gonna get a grande.

20:55

That is funny. But it's

20:57

a good carpool karaoke.

21:00

And we do love someone who gets the breath

21:02

because Mariah didn't get that.

21:04

You didn't get that. No. Jesse,

21:07

moving on to the doughnut looking

21:09

incident. A donor shop owner says

21:11

that pop star Ariana Grande

21:13

licked and spit on the merchandise

21:15

at his shop when his employees

21:17

weren't looking. I've so much to say

21:19

about this. This is the sort of story

21:22

the council courtroom was designed for.

21:24

Yes. Although bordering

21:26

on criminal, continue. But

21:29

not quite. But not quite. It's July

21:31

twenty fifteen, and Ariana Grande is

21:33

caught on a security camera near

21:36

California Donuts Store. Leaking

21:38

a donut. Yeah. TMZ leaked

21:41

the footage, and I just wanna know the

21:43

reaction of the person who realized what

21:45

they'd come about. So, like, is

21:48

that Ariana Grande,

21:50

licking a doughnut that she

21:52

has no pot. She

21:54

also says in the video

21:57

what the is that? I hate

21:59

Americans. I hate America. That's

22:01

disgusting. And she's saying all that while

22:03

looking at doughnuts. And to me, it's like, you don't want

22:06

donuts, you don't have to be in the donut

22:08

shop. That's the biggest takeaway.

22:10

Yeah. With them up to your eye

22:12

high. Like, she's She's

22:14

interrogating doughnuts a lot for someone who

22:16

doesn't wanna doughnut. Like for

22:18

example, I don't love

22:21

for you. You won't find me

22:23

in a yelling about how I

22:25

don't like it. I'm just next door

22:27

getting an ice cream. Like, I don't know why you're in

22:29

the doughnut shop. kind of

22:31

enjoy that in the coverage of

22:33

this, it's really the

22:35

licking the doughnut that people were most

22:37

offended by. Whereas she was saying, like, I

22:39

hate America. I hate Americans. And

22:41

I feel like Americans were

22:43

like, you can hate us, but don't

22:45

like our don't us. Alright.

22:48

Did you see the statement

22:50

she released following

22:53

this? I'm furious. Yes.

22:56

Okay. I wanna know if you and I picked up

22:58

on the same sentence.

23:00

Okay? Did anything stick out to you about

23:02

that apology? The fact that she had to clarify

23:04

was her friend who was buying the Donut. No. No.

23:06

No. No. No. No. No. No. So it was a

23:08

statement that was going blah blah blah like to Donut and had

23:10

done it. Shouldn't have said I had America blah blah blah. And then she just

23:12

acknowledged that she wasn't gonna be at some

23:14

show. Did you say that bit? Yeah. This is the

23:16

quote. As for why I cannot be at the

23:18

MLB show, I've

23:20

had emergency oral

23:23

surgery. And due to recovery, I

23:25

cannot attend the show. If

23:28

anyone was wondering, what

23:30

was wrong with licking a

23:32

public dinut? To

23:34

the bacterial or viral infection of

23:36

the mouth. She's like, sorry, guys. So I have

23:38

an open sore on my mouth, so I just have to

23:40

get surgery. Then why are

23:42

you looking because

23:44

it goes both ways. It goes, alright,

23:46

you've got a mouth condition. Yeah. So did you

23:48

have the mouth condition when you link the doughnut?

23:51

Now By the way, for the record,

23:53

that donut was sold. We've had

23:55

somebody be And one can assume agent.

23:57

Yes. So it's like, you

23:59

spread you out, syphilis. To an

24:01

unsuspecting member of the public,

24:03

which is why we

24:05

don't lick a doughnut, and

24:07

I love It's like we don't lick another

24:09

person's dessert and she's like, oh my god, sorry guys can't do

24:11

the show. I've got some weird mouth infection, XXXX.

24:13

No no no no no. Related. Phase

24:15

three things are related. So just the thing

24:17

about the oral surgery

24:20

line, the reason, you know, I didn't

24:22

think of that as the most important thing

24:24

in her apology was because I did immediately

24:26

dismiss it as a lie.

24:29

So she was meant to perform clearly,

24:31

she's having a horrible week if she goes and performs amidst

24:34

this. People gonna throw doughnuts at her, which

24:36

is hilarious. And Also

24:39

an 0HNS hazard. But

24:41

the things we could have said, she

24:43

has a headache. She has

24:45

a head cold. She's

24:47

hurt her foot. Whatever. But

24:50

to go with oral

24:52

infection is almost like

24:55

her PR person was

24:57

taking the piss. reckon her

24:59

PR person was upset on behalf

25:01

of the doughnuts and went, I'll do

25:03

my job. I won't do it well. No.

25:05

No. No. Because donuts have been

25:07

disrespected here, and I know where my allegiance

25:10

lies. Oh, I wasn't upset about the America

25:12

thing. I was obviously upset about the spreading of the

25:14

mouth infection. But more than anything

25:16

it was the profound lack of respect

25:18

afforded to donuts. Donuts are my

25:20

dessert, and you've just gone and left

25:22

someone's dessert. What upset me

25:24

was that her ecology was

25:27

so and so she's trying to say,

25:29

I'm an advocate for healthy eating. Oh,

25:31

yeah. Get out of a giant shop.

25:34

Flavor the doughnut shops to the rest of

25:36

this, honestly. And she's like, I get

25:38

upset because, like, some of the things Americans

25:40

eat and consume like,

25:43

without giving any thought to it. It's

25:45

like, we'll actually be fine if you were

25:47

looking at this for one.

25:49

I give lots and lots of thought to cinema

25:51

donuts. So Yeah. Shut up. Believe

25:53

me. If I'm buying a cinnamon doughnut, it's not

25:55

like a stir of butter. I bet they came

25:57

out of the dates. A doughnut because

25:59

then what happened to the bakery? The

26:01

donut selling shop, is that they

26:03

had their food rating

26:05

like it decreased because

26:07

people were like, well, there are hygiene standards, and

26:09

Ariana breached them. And now we don't know

26:11

which donut it was that was

26:13

leaked. Could be many,

26:17

we've got a rampant oral

26:19

infection through your supply and apparently

26:21

really after business. The only thing I

26:23

will say is Have you you go to

26:25

cafes, donuts, king, etcetera? It's

26:27

very rare that a place will

26:29

have food out on the counter,

26:31

not in the glass case.

26:34

Yes. That was weird. I mean,

26:36

it was a different era, wasn't

26:38

it? I mean, it was twenty fifteen. But

26:40

every now and then, I will say,

26:43

like a cake tin

26:45

like a thing out the front that has say a

26:47

brownie and I reckon that that's out in

26:49

the open but I don't think get away with a

26:51

lick without anyone saying anything I

26:53

don't. But I have to say, if I

26:56

go to a cafe and see that something is out

26:59

there, and isn't behind glass. I

27:01

think if I buy that, I've

27:03

accepted the risk of

27:05

a leak. That's actually

27:07

a brilliant point. That is a

27:09

brilliant point. Jesse,

27:20

an awkward conversation about

27:23

race. If you type the words,

27:25

what ethnicity is into

27:28

Google, the first suggested query

27:30

is Ariana Grande. Can you

27:32

tell me what ethnicity she is?

27:34

Honestly, I have no idea.

27:38

She's Italian. Okay. I've always thought

27:40

she was Hispanic. No.

27:42

Alright. She's definitively

27:44

not Hispanic. And when you see pictures

27:46

of her young, which

27:49

I have sent you, you'll see what she's

27:51

doing. So from relatively early

27:53

on in her career, she

27:57

was making her ethnicity

28:00

purposely ambiguous. She was accused of

28:02

imitating Hispanic and black From

28:04

darkening her skin to adopting an

28:06

entirely different vernacular.

28:08

And Jesse, I've sent you

28:10

some pictures. Tell me what you see.

28:12

In those before and after pictures. Oh,

28:15

wow. Okay. So in the first

28:17

one, she's got red hair

28:19

and very fair skin. And in the

28:21

far right, she looks like a

28:23

woman of color. She looks I'm

28:25

trying to think how I would even compare

28:28

Rihanna. Like, she looks like she could

28:30

be Rihanna. And basically,

28:32

so these before are from

28:34

twenty ten. And then there's another

28:36

one of her in twenty twenty. So ten

28:38

years later, where she looks

28:40

Latina, but she also

28:42

looks and this is a criticism I've

28:44

seen as well. The way that she has her makeup done

28:46

and her hair done, she also looks like could

28:48

be -- sort of appropriating Asian

28:51

culture, but definitely Letayna. She

28:53

does not look white. Okay.

28:55

So here's what happens every time Ariana

28:58

gets cancelled for being one race.

29:00

Right? So every time she gets cancelled, I remember a

29:02

little while ago from us, like,

29:05

Sorry. Are you a Latina woman? And she was

29:07

like, no. I'm not. And they were like,

29:09

oh, that's really bad because,

29:11

like, your kind of cosplaying as a

29:13

Latina woman. And she's like, fine.

29:16

Fine. I'll be black. And it's like, no. No. No. No.

29:18

No. No. Honey, no. That's

29:20

not what Mark's saying that go back.

29:22

And then we're like, no. You're not

29:24

black though. That's not who you are. And she's like, fine. I'll

29:26

be Japanese. And it's

29:28

like, we need you to

29:30

not do that. And she's like I

29:32

swear next, she'll be like, okay, you

29:34

hate me for being Japanese. I hear

29:36

you. Cancel culture has gone too

29:38

far. I am polyneate.

29:40

No. Ariana. She's

29:43

like Ilea. If

29:46

Ilea got bored quicker

29:49

she commits really hard, but she

29:52

also switches it up, you know. Like,

29:54

she's got a shorter attention span.

29:56

Whereas, Mamamia, at least she's

29:58

been gifting consistently. Whereas Ariana

30:00

isn't even convinced of the ethnicity

30:02

she's stolen, which is confusing for an

30:05

audience. Happy MTV Awards in

30:07

twenty sixteen. Ariana

30:09

performed alongside Nikki Minaj,

30:11

who is black, Ariana was a

30:14

shade darker than Oh,

30:16

alright. Alright. There was a

30:18

moment then because fake tan

30:20

came out probably when we're in

30:22

high school. And we went to our

30:24

year twelve formal. And

30:26

there was a moment where you looked around and you

30:29

went, this is starting to verge on

30:31

blackface. This is -- Yeah. -- we've taken

30:33

it too far. At what point is this a

30:35

spray tan? And at what point

30:38

is this actually pretending

30:40

you're in ethnicity that

30:42

you're not. Ariana definitely was

30:44

caught up in that. I

30:46

think we've moved on from the spray tan excess.

30:51

But, yes, that Nikki

30:53

Minaj, I think I remember that.

30:55

But still, that was too late. Like, by, like,

30:57

the mid, like, twenty tens,

30:59

normal people want doing that.

31:01

It was just ariane. Yeah. It

31:04

was. Then in twenty eighteen,

31:07

Ariela wins, Billboard's

31:09

Woman of the Year Award, and

31:11

she begins her speech. This

31:13

is insane. I just wanted to say thank

31:15

you guys so much for coming to my quinceanera.

31:17

It means so much that you guys

31:19

are here today. It means so

31:21

much. I appreciate it. You are coming out.

31:24

Oh. What does that

31:26

mean? A quinceanera. Is

31:28

a tradition in Latin America where girls

31:31

celebrate turning fifteen and it's their

31:33

entry to womanhood. It

31:35

was clearly meant to

31:38

be making a joke probably about her being looking so young

31:40

and little. But just

31:42

like a far metaphor

31:45

in Jewish culture. Yeah.

31:47

Yeah. Yeah. It would be like

31:49

me making a job being like, oh my

31:51

gosh, excited for my that mitzvah.

31:53

And it's like, but you're not too ish. Yeah.

31:56

Yeah. And this is a classic. Like, if you came on

31:58

to cancelled and you were like, oh, I had my bat mits from

32:00

the weekend. And then everyone was like, oh, I didn't know

32:02

you were Jewish and you were like, I'm

32:04

not. Like, that's kind of what Ariana is.

32:06

It's like, no. At this point, we're

32:08

really committing to being

32:12

part of a culture that we

32:14

explicitly are not. You are

32:16

not allowed to say things that are unrelated

32:18

to your culture. We can talk about

32:20

the offensive nurse of politics. Most

32:23

of all, and this is what all of us wanna

32:25

say. It's weird. It's

32:28

just weird. Speaking of weird. More

32:30

recently, she's decided

32:32

that she's moving on to emulating

32:34

East Asian features. I

32:36

told you, She's just like she's like,

32:38

well, if you're gonna cancel me,

32:40

then fine. I'm

32:43

Japanese. No. Jesse,

32:46

have a look at the photo

32:48

I've sent you. That was from twenty

32:50

twenty one. She's done

32:52

makeup that makes it look as

32:54

though she has sort of the features of East Asian women

32:56

like, and do they call it a monolith?

32:59

Mhmm. She's done her makeup

33:01

that way. So Why

33:04

doesn't she not try and look like another

33:06

culture? It's bizarre. So the

33:08

reason people get so upset by this

33:10

and it it's called black fishing or

33:12

Asian fishing is

33:14

because she's actually

33:17

benefiting financially from

33:20

impersonating or being able to put on these

33:23

ethnicities like the

33:25

costumes? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

33:27

So and and cultures that have traditionally

33:29

been marginalized and haven't made

33:31

money from, you know, features

33:33

of black culture or,

33:35

say, Japanese culture. And then a white person comes along,

33:38

finds it, goes, this is fun,

33:40

and this work makes all

33:42

this money off it. And

33:44

all these people are like, that's my culture. And she'll

33:47

make it a viral moment, so she'll do like

33:49

a performance or

33:51

a video clip or whatever, where

33:53

she is boring aspects of another

33:55

culture. But then

33:57

when it's her wedding day or

33:59

when she's posing for the cover of vogue,

34:01

on the cover of Vogue who was blonde with like freckles. Yeah.

34:04

Yeah. Yeah. So she abandons it, which is what they

34:06

say about the Kardashians as well. It's like it's

34:08

about whether it's in Vogue and for a

34:10

woman who for example,

34:12

is actually a black woman. She

34:14

doesn't get to take that off. She

34:16

lives as a black woman, which

34:18

again goes back to why

34:20

Ilariya is superior.

34:22

And it is that it's a long term commitment.

34:24

And honestly, I think she's coming

34:26

off really well in comparison to Ariana.

34:28

Me too. But she may have already

34:31

had her punishment for this.

34:33

Because in twenty nineteen, When

34:36

Ariada was promoting her song, seven rings.

34:38

She got a Japanese tattoo

34:40

on the palm of her hand that

34:42

was meant to say seven rings

34:45

in happening. Except as

34:48

always the problem with White House,

34:50

it doesn't say seven

34:54

rings. Jesse, It says barbecue grill. Aireon

34:56

is a vegan. When people

34:58

fly, that the tattoo

35:01

wasn't quite right. She

35:03

did admit it was missing

35:06

characters because it hurt when

35:08

she was getting it so she made them

35:10

stop, but then she decided

35:12

to fix it. So,

35:14

Hatura, she's got this, like,

35:16

message exchange with Hatura

35:18

Aumi who she's been working with to

35:20

learn Japanese since

35:22

twenty fifteen. And her tutor one did

35:24

confirm. Yes. You totally does

35:26

mean barbecue girl. Let me have a look at that.

35:28

Barbecue girl. Yes.

35:30

And two, If you

35:32

add one more canji

35:34

character, then it might

35:36

be more seven rings. But what's

35:38

with the might? she adds

35:41

it, but it's still

35:43

not technically correct because

35:45

Japanese is read vertically

35:47

from top to bottom and

35:50

horizontally from right to left.

35:52

So it's all in the wrong place and

35:54

nonsensical. So according

35:56

to a BuzzFeed Japan reporter,

35:59

It now translates

36:01

to Japanese barbecue

36:04

food. Shit. I don't

36:06

have a very sensitive knowledge of Japanese language or

36:08

Japanese writing. But seven

36:10

rings and Japanese barbecue grill,

36:12

it just

36:14

seems like they're not in the

36:16

same realm of character. I think this could be wrong, but I think

36:18

it was something to do with

36:21

like a brand by the cute

36:24

girl. I don't know.

36:26

Okay. Got it. Got it. But it

36:28

definitely it just

36:30

universally means barbecue grill

36:32

and now barbecue finger.

36:34

Jesse, a word on enunciation.

36:38

I'm big

36:40

on addiction. An enunciation. Every time I go to a

36:42

musical, I comment on addiction. I say, she's

36:44

got a great voice. Don't know what she's

36:46

saying. I need to know

36:48

the story. Because

36:50

I'm not getting that. And something

36:52

about our underground day is that

36:54

she's got a beautiful voice, but

36:57

It is not always clear what she's saying. So, Jesse,

36:59

we're gonna play a game. Alright. It's

37:02

called, can you understand what our

37:04

honor is

37:06

singing? So what's gonna

37:08

happen is that I am going to

37:10

play and you're gonna tell me what she's

37:12

singing. Okay. Alright. I'm really good at this.

37:14

What word is

37:18

that? People. It

37:20

is greedy. I'm

37:24

pissing. I'm pasty,

37:26

but I don't

37:28

mind because I'm honey. Incorrect.

37:30

It's unclassy, but I don't mind if it

37:33

get at me. Okay. Okay.

37:36

Next one. What's

37:40

that? I need a chip

37:42

and a chill on my

37:44

back. I ain't

37:46

even tripping I'm a chill sit

37:48

back. Okay. That was close.

37:50

Did you guys get

37:54

a skin? All that you got, I'm going

37:56

to stand on my

37:58

desk. All that you got skin to

38:00

skin. Oh

38:02

my god. It's

38:04

fun now when you don't know.

38:06

Okay. Wait. Wait. One more one. Alright. Alright.

38:08

That is fucking me.

38:10

That's the blue. Oh,

38:12

that's easy. But if I can't be

38:14

me, what's the point?

38:16

But if I can't be me, then fucks the

38:18

point. I it's

38:20

pretty close. It's pretty cold. It's hard when the lyrics are

38:22

bad. My interpretation of

38:24

her is like her interpretation of

38:28

Japanese. Just slightly off. Yeah.

38:30

Just slightly off. Like, is he

38:32

saying seven rings or Japanese barbecue

38:34

grill? No one can have a facial.

38:37

Never know. Tomato, tomato. I kind

38:39

of before this, I was like, what

38:41

is an Ariana Grande song? So I went

38:43

to Spotify, and I typed in Ariana Grande,

38:45

which is gonna grab my algorithm. But I wrote that and

38:47

then I like listened to it. And I was like, none

38:49

of them quite are

38:52

good. Like, they've always

38:56

been there. Yes. Right on me is fine. Thank you.

38:58

Next is fine, but I've

39:00

never actively chosen to listen to an Ariana

39:02

Grande song. No. I'm the

39:04

same. It's

39:06

there. It's playing when you walk into a

39:10

international. It is. It is.

39:12

It is. Yeah.

39:14

That's where it's playing. Yeah. Just a

39:16

final word before we get to charges

39:18

and sentences. Ariana has recently

39:20

launched our own skincare line.

39:23

And she's gonna star in

39:25

Wicked the movie when it comes out next

39:27

year and actually it's really good. It's got a really

39:29

good cast. That's fun. But I can't get around

39:31

the skincare and makeup line. This is how every

39:33

episode of Canceled is like segment 1234,

39:36

and they now have a skincare line.

39:39

Like that, literally. Who's that one? Haley,

39:42

BBA, Brad Pitt, Brad Pitt,

39:44

everyone. It's called REM.

39:47

And her TikTok is just her talking about

39:50

these products. And I'm like, lady,

39:52

let's talk and more

39:54

singing. Like, Like, why are

39:56

you telling me about

39:58

concealer? And then I'm like, well, is this makeup?

40:00

Like, if I wanna be my own rights,

40:02

I'm like, What's

40:04

the deal? We just don't need

40:06

another beauty company, and that's getting

40:08

greedy. One of the videos

40:11

says the concealer. Conceals puffiness. No. And I haven't

40:14

stopped thinking about that because you

40:16

can't conceal puffiness.

40:18

No. Just puffiness just is.

40:21

It can't be concealed. Concealed?

40:24

Like, I understand if it's, like, concealing

40:26

dark under eyes. It's, like, I mean, I still don't

40:28

believe concealer can do

40:30

that, but like, it sounds like more a see

40:32

what you're coughing is? Yeah. Ariana.

40:35

Just seeing. Jots

40:38

see. Jesse, it's time for

40:41

charges and sentences. Okay. My

40:43

charge. I am

40:46

unsurprisingly. Still stuck not only

40:48

on the licking of the doughnut, but doing so with

40:50

a mouth infection. That requires surgery.

40:53

My sentence is, This

40:55

was hard because she has already been

40:58

banned from the dinut shop. I don't know if you know

41:00

that. Okay. Officially,

41:02

she's, as far as I can tell, still

41:04

banned. Being banned from a doughnut

41:06

shop is a bad thing.

41:08

Okay? It's so embarrassing.

41:11

It also really inhibits your

41:14

lack of access to donuts, that I'm going,

41:16

okay, well, is that punishment enough?

41:18

No, I have more. And it's

41:20

about the mouth

41:22

infection because The mouth infection I was thinking,

41:24

it should come back. The

41:26

next time she wants, say,

41:28

an apple,

41:30

because she cares so much about health food. That's why she's in a doughnut

41:32

shop. Anyway, the next time

41:34

she wants an apple. Well,

41:37

Jenny Licked it. And Jenny, she had a mouth

41:40

infection, which weirdly has

41:42

been going around LA

41:44

since twenty

41:46

fifteen. So Now you

41:48

you need surgery again,

41:50

which means that maybe they

41:52

have to push wicked back or maybe

41:54

for part of the movie, I am

41:57

thinking of this on the spot. You are

41:59

in a box. I think maybe

42:02

Jeanette McCurdy should

42:04

replace her. She has a

42:06

mouth infection, which actually it makes a

42:08

hard decision. It would. And

42:10

but also the risk of spreading

42:12

on search. Especially

42:14

if he's gonna be licking the fruit food.

42:17

Exactly. Exactly. What's

42:20

your charge? Okay. My child, you will never

42:22

see it coming. Lickin' a doughnut

42:24

that wasn't hurt. Okay.

42:27

Clearly, it wasn't of hers.

42:29

I actually saw a lot of the headlines at

42:32

the time. I I was looking at how was this

42:34

reported on, you know? Like, first draft

42:36

of his street? What was the what was the vibe on where this reported

42:38

on? And a lot of publications needed

42:40

doing through the detail. That

42:43

it wasn't hers. No. And it wasn't just that it

42:46

wasn't hers. It was licking a

42:48

doughnut that she hadn't

42:50

paid for. That was the

42:52

most important thing. Like, she could have owned it and she

42:54

had no intention of ever

42:58

owning. There's something about licking something and then bitching

43:00

about it. That feels

43:02

disrespectful to the lick because it's

43:04

like if you didn't

43:06

want it, Don't lick

43:08

it. Yeah. Great point. I

43:10

had another idea that I she really will

43:12

not like. Okay. What is it? She

43:14

gets a lady like

43:16

growth stuff. And she's no longer a small

43:18

girl. Oh, she's tall.

43:21

Six foot six. I'm

43:25

like, I don't understand. Because have

43:27

you seen? She'll do like SNL, and it's

43:29

always the joke that people like, you're tiny.

43:32

And then she's like, no. I'm

43:34

not understanding finish comes off like their waist. Yeah. But I wanted to be like,

43:36

you're tiny, just like No.

43:38

I'm not. I just

43:41

did a job. Really tall.

43:44

I like that a lot. And then

43:46

she says to someone carry me like a baby and

43:48

they're like, oh, I can't. My

43:50

back can't take it or like, you awkwardly can't

43:52

do this. And then when they try and get her in a box, it's

43:54

like we don't have one big enough and

43:56

she's just like, honestly, this

43:58

is a much harder life. Thank

44:01

you so much for listening to episode of Canceled. For

44:03

all the evidence we've mentioned, including

44:05

the photos, the video because

44:07

you have to watch

44:09

the video of being like a

44:11

baby. Obviously, the footage of her looking the doughnut, which I'm sure you've seen. Head

44:14

over to the twins underscore

44:16

thoughts on Instagram, and

44:18

we're also podcast

44:20

on TikTok. Our executive

44:23

producer, Tolisa, and

44:25

boss lady, Tia. What they

44:27

have done, as a little surprise,

44:30

they've had printed lazy

44:32

girls stickers. We

44:34

squealing with excitement because there's

44:37

lace girls, we'd never have had them printed. It's not

44:39

lazy girl behavior. It's not even

44:41

lazy girl, but I get to think

44:43

of that idea. No. No. I

44:45

was just like, you mean you can turn something

44:48

we say and do a

44:50

sticker where we still can't.

44:52

Can't get over it. And,

44:54

anyway, they're a lazy girl stickers. What we

44:56

wanna do is we're gonna jump onto the

44:58

Twin's thoughts on Instagram, and we want you

45:00

to share with us the most lazy

45:02

girl thing. Lazydays. She's a lazy girl. You've

45:04

ever done. We've talked about how my growing fetus is a

45:06

lazy girl. I'm at

45:08

eighteen, nearly nineteen weeks.

45:10

Apparently, she's kicking out of fillet.

45:13

She's lazy as shit. Ladies again.

45:15

She's a lazy girl. And so what

45:17

we want is to know, what are

45:19

your lazy behaviors? We want

45:22

stories, we talked in the past about Mariah is a lazy

45:24

girl. But Mariah giving

45:26

up halfway through a

45:28

New Year's Eve performance and

45:30

yelling at the audience to

45:32

be on holidays. Why don't I get to be

45:34

on holidays? That's the

45:36

level of lazy girl we're asking

45:38

for. Right? So

45:40

we're gonna gonna do that on the twin's thoughts. We'll do it this

45:42

afternoon. Can't wait to see you there.

45:44

Limited lazy girls stickers, get on

45:46

it. If you love what we do here

45:48

at canceled we are asking

45:50

you to please leave us a lovely

45:52

review. That would be great. I think we got

45:54

a bad one the other day that said we'd

45:56

gone down a hill and it wasn't

45:58

happy with our Harry Epicor.

46:00

Oh, no. So if you could

46:02

just go on combat that one, we don't like

46:04

that kind of negativity in our lives.

46:07

The executive producer of canceled is

46:09

Elizabeth Az with audio editing by

46:11

Tom Lyon, and we'll be back

46:13

next week. Bye.

46:16

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