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that looks at silly celebrity crimes and

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I'm Claire Stevens, and I'm Jessie Stevens,

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of events, we seem to now be starting the

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podcast with Laser Gear

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Stories -- Yeah. -- from our listeners. They have

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submitted them they're

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too funny to not consistently share. Today,

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you are bringing

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one. I'm bringing a few. Oh,

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no. I must say that on my way

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into this record. What do I

1:00

need before I start recording, Claire? Oh,

1:02

Pepsi, ma'am. Yes. Yes. But I am, of

1:04

course, print them. Okay. can't

1:07

be modelling up and down straight

1:09

looking for Pepsi max in a half.

1:11

So I assigned that job to my partner.

1:14

Okay. And he delivered it. Classic

1:16

lazy girl

1:16

behavior. He did deliver

1:18

it to the studio. He did. And I was sitting

1:20

here and waiting. We have some other stories

1:22

from people that I don't think you've seen yet. I've hidden

1:25

them from you. One of them

1:27

is her acid didn't fit in the lazy

1:29

girl

1:30

Like, because we just put a box up. question box?

1:32

No. Yeah. No.

1:33

No. I there's some of the two details for the box item.

1:35

And a few lazy girls said, too lazy

1:37

to think of one. And I went, that's why.

1:39

That's insane. Same. But

1:42

she said, I drove up to my mailbox coming

1:44

into my driveway, so I didn't have to get

1:46

out and walk to her mailbox. Mhmm. She is

1:48

not regional. It's ten meters.

1:50

But then when she was driving up to reach the mailbox,

1:53

she scraped the side of the car and she really regretted

1:55

that. We also have a

1:57

lazy girl hack from someone

2:00

who was in bed and

2:01

went, I haven't brushed my teeth. We've all been

2:03

there. Alright? And then you

2:05

go, do I need to? It's

2:07

one day. It's one day.

2:10

And she went, what does one do? So she

2:12

demanded her husband, again, classic ladies

2:14

and girl behavior, bring her

2:16

two small glasses, one empty and one with

2:18

water on it. And also her toothbrush

2:21

with toothpaste already. He's raised

2:23

on it. At which point she dipped the toothbrush in

2:25

the water, she brushes, spat me empty

2:26

glass, she used the remaining two rinse.

2:29

Without needing to get up? It feels

2:31

very hospital. Doesn't

2:33

it feel we're spending the night in

2:35

hospital? Yep. Someone's son

2:37

was given a formal diagnosis of being a lazy

2:39

boy. And we have heard of this. Haven't we?

2:41

This seems to be a theme is that

2:43

we go to I had this as a

2:45

kid. Mom thought I had hearing problems in my

2:47

way and she just doesn't wanna listen to you.

2:49

Okay. He wouldn't drink a full bottle.

2:52

And then you'd stop after a few minutes. And

2:54

have to have the rest through

2:56

a tube. And they were stressed thinking that something

2:58

was majorly wrong. They did brain scans,

3:00

physical examinations. Formal

3:02

meeting with the doctor to discuss it, and they came

3:04

to the conclusion that he was just being a lazy

3:07

boy. And was easier to be fed through

3:09

the

3:09

tube. So wide drink. He's he's

3:12

now a chunky happy boy who

3:13

loves the huddle. There's some great ladies There's some

3:15

great lazy girls stories keep them coming.

3:18

Love the commitment, and then you sat down and wrote

3:20

something like, oh, you.

3:22

Very anti ladies gentlemen. Today's

3:25

episode is about Lindsey Lowen. And

3:27

there are a few days ago crimes. This

3:29

will be a two parter. We didn't

3:31

know that when I say we started researching,

3:34

when I started researching, But then the

3:36

Lulz, I watched a bit of a movie called,

3:38

I know who killed me or something. Yeah. She

3:41

won two golden rods ring for

3:43

that. She tied with herself

3:46

the worst actress. I play

3:48

twins again. Yeah. Actually,

3:52

So we've never been jumbo form. The

3:55

walls kept coming with Lindsay, so we went needs

3:57

to be a two potter. And this

3:59

is one of those canceled episodes where there

4:01

are real crimes. We could talk about

4:03

here, but that is not what this show is about.

4:05

And as has been stated numerous times, this

4:07

is not a real

4:08

goal.

4:08

Well, I think that in like 07I think she was

4:10

in court like eight times. No. I think it was

4:12

twenty eleven was maybe her worse

4:15

in terms of you actually can't wrap

4:17

your head around how many times she was in

4:19

court and how much

4:21

probation. Did you know that she was sentenced

4:23

to community service at a mall.

4:25

Oh, yeah. It's

4:27

a really weird fact. And then they were like, she's doing

4:29

really well and the staff are really enjoying it as

4:32

much as the staff at a mall can't

4:33

And I was like, okay. Well,

4:35

some Lindsay. We

4:38

are in no way qualified to talk about

4:40

the real crimes, cocaine possession,

4:43

drink driving, no. We're here for

4:45

random accents and being rogue on social media.

4:48

Lindsey D. Lowen, is

4:50

an actress and singer who started her

4:52

career as a model at three. We

4:54

could not have been modeled at three. That is

4:56

right. She appeared in a bunch of TV

4:58

ads before landing the

5:00

role of

5:01

twins, Annie, and Halle in the parent

5:03

trap in nineteen ninety eight. Absolutely

5:06

iconic Filament. I

5:08

think Annie was a British one? Yeah.

5:11

Yeah. Accent's not good. I know she was

5:13

ten. Oh, Mildred darling.

5:15

Hi. How are you? Hey. How's

5:17

it going over there? Oh, everything's

5:19

quite lovely here. We're we're expecting a different

5:21

frame today, but Mildred, can you Can

5:23

you hold on for a moment? The accent

5:25

is very ten year old doing a British accent.

5:27

I went back and watched some TikToks from it,

5:30

and I also went back and watched the

5:32

Abelstepmother.

5:33

Oh, yeah. Twenty six year old who was just trying to get

5:35

ahead. The first change I made is

5:37

to send that toothache little breath of the boarding

5:40

school and timber, but too.

5:41

Oh. Ice one up.

5:43

Proud of his babe. The twenty six

5:45

year old, but everyone was like, oh.

5:48

Yuck. She's so mean. I was like, all she wanted

5:50

to do was marry a rich guy and

5:52

these two little sheeps

5:54

kept putting frogs -- Actually,

5:56

assaulting her. No. One Doolin'Zilant was

5:58

confused about the law. Because there was a one

6:00

where they put the thing in a water bottle and then they set

6:02

her out on the lila.

6:03

On the lila. And I was like, Bitch

6:05

just wants a rich husband. That's not a crime

6:08

in this quarter. There's a lot of violence

6:10

in that film. I will forever be blown

6:12

away by the fact that one person can play

6:14

two characters. So impressive.

6:16

She went on to start in life-size freaky

6:19

Friday. Again, excellent film

6:21

and confessions of a teenage drama queen. In

6:23

two thousand four, she starred in Mainsborough's, which

6:26

established her as a leading actress in Hollywood.

6:28

I'm sixteenth until today. I was home school.

6:30

And then it was goodbye Africa and

6:33

hello high school. That is so

6:35

fetch. Around the same time, she launched

6:37

her music career with her debut album,

6:39

Speak. And the biggest single from

6:41

the album was rumors. I'm

6:44

sick of rumors starting. I'm

6:46

sick of being. What

6:48

have happened? Song. Okay.

6:51

Well, I'll tell you what happens to that song. In research

6:53

for this, I decided to listen to Lindsay Lauren's

6:55

podcast. Lindsay Lauren has a podcast you

6:57

off. Yeah. She does. And guess what the opening

7:00

song is. It's her own song, rumors, and

7:02

guess how she was interviewing. Her sister, Ali.

7:05

Her real sister, not herself. Yeah.

7:07

It's not great. Did you know that Lindsay Lowen

7:09

is half Italian? I

7:11

did make her as much for the person of color as

7:13

Ariana, brother?

7:14

That's She is as Italian

7:16

as Ariana. So rumors

7:18

wasn't very critically acclaimed in

7:20

that

7:20

in a general sense. No. Critics

7:23

gave the album two stars or a d

7:25

plus. However, and this is a recurring

7:27

theme on canceled. Where did the album

7:30

particularly go off? Australia.

7:33

Every time, like Michael, Google,

7:35

Australians it's like we're really hungry

7:38

for any or we don't have any taste. No.

7:40

So it's Everyone else says it's really

7:42

bad. Everyone goes, critically, this is

7:44

an abomination. And Australia's like,

7:46

we like the bot. I'm sick of

7:48

rumors. Starting, and we're just like in

7:51

the club to think of this terrible

7:53

insulin.

7:53

That is stuck in my head as much as

7:55

Allstate's taken by that car ride. Oh

8:00

my gosh. And Paracilton stars

8:03

and stars are blind.

8:06

Just go down history. We should make

8:09

a cancelled soundtrack called SouthFresh.

8:12

Oh, we should. Lindsay went

8:14

on to start in movies like Kirby fully

8:16

loaded and Georgia Roll. And,

8:18

Jesse, where did you see the

8:21

turning point of Lindsay's career? Because

8:23

for me, I always thought it was herbie. Yeah.

8:25

I remember you and I looked at each other when we went,

8:28

why are we working alongside a car?

8:29

Like, it just seemed like a steep down for for men

8:32

girls because things were going so well. Mhmm.

8:34

And then I went, I'm her target

8:35

demo. I'm not seeing her. They probably

8:37

weren't watching

8:38

herbie. And by Georgia rule, I went,

8:40

doesn't matter what you do here. You're worried

8:43

a little curvy. And that was the

8:44

only thing can't watch it because of

8:46

that.

8:46

Well, I think it did fine. It wasn't

8:48

as floppy as her flop ears

8:50

like. Do

8:51

you remember the show Brum? Said

8:53

Brum.

8:54

On the ABC.

8:55

That's from vibe. It

8:56

was kind of from vibe, but with Lindsay Lowen.

8:59

And I still don't I might sit down and watch

9:01

it because I never gave that a shit. I was not

9:04

in two thousand and six started appearing

9:06

in the tabloids for her legal issues

9:08

and being in and out of rehab, and

9:10

she lost a lot of jobs. In twenty

9:12

fourteen, she filmed Lindsay with

9:14

Oprah, which in hindsight was really uncomfortable

9:17

to watch because she is clearly not okay, and

9:19

Oprah is exploining

9:21

her. Josie, I forgot

9:23

she did the masked singer in two thousand and nineteen.

9:25

Oh, I'm singer. It's pretty nuts.

9:27

So everything is been a whirlwind

9:30

and so unexpected, but really fun. I had

9:32

a lot of

9:32

fun. That

9:33

was nice time. It was a low point.

9:35

Yes. And then Like, again,

9:37

Australia loves Lindsay. Yeah. We were like,

9:39

oh, you're unemployed. Come on. There's a seat for

9:41

you just here on this train on show. Are you

9:43

Lindsay Low on whose song? I'm sick of

9:45

rumors. Diving. Because the interesting

9:47

thing is it is a musical show. Yeah. She was

9:49

there for her musical talent. Not her acting

9:51

skills. No. And just because she was really long.

9:54

And Australia was

9:54

like, Minsila wants to be here.

9:57

Amazing. He's three mils.

10:00

Late last year, she starred in a terrible

10:02

Netflix Christmas movie, which I obviously watched

10:05

and we'll discuss later on. That's

10:07

a bit of a summary of Lindsay Longen. Clearly,

10:09

there's a lot to cover, and my structure

10:11

for today is as follows. Bad work

10:13

ethic. Mhmm. Baffling Hollywood

10:15

behavior, random accents, and

10:18

feeds with other celebrities. reminder

10:20

DC is part one. There are some

10:23

room more. We have it kidnapping. Got

10:26

to. Okay. Does the feuds include

10:28

Hillary Duck? Obviously.

10:30

Yep. Obviously. Okay. Do you

10:32

talk, like, when you're setting up your structure?

10:34

Like, are we getting to, I know who killed

10:36

me, movies? Two thousand seven.

10:39

Like, because I have some things to do. Okay.

10:41

We'll get there. Okay. Make a note, and we'll

10:43

get there. Yeah. Bad work ethic.

10:46

Lindsey was about twenty when it became

10:48

clear that she was one of the biggest party girls

10:50

in Hollywood. The problem with the

10:52

potting, apart from the drugs and alcohol

10:54

and the crimes, was that it made

10:56

it really hard for her to work to

10:59

turn up because she was biting.

11:01

In two thousand and six, while filming Georgia

11:03

Raw, she was hospitalized. And reps

11:05

for Rowan said it was due to exhaustion

11:08

and overheating. But then the CEO

11:10

of the production company wrote this letter

11:13

to her that got leaked, and it

11:15

said, we are well aware that your

11:17

ongoing all night heavy partying

11:19

is the real reason for your so called exhaustion.

11:22

We refuse to accept bogus excuses

11:24

for your behavior. Well, I think it doesn't sound like a

11:26

bogus excuse. To that, I will say, she

11:28

was just exhausted. Polly used

11:31

tiring. It's actually really tiring. She

11:33

was probably dehydrated too, actually.

11:35

Probably didn't get in a lot of sleep, and she came to

11:37

work and she said I'm

11:38

exhausted. Why you're exhausted because I'm

11:40

currently intoxicated, and I got an

11:42

hour of sleep. It's not the why.

11:44

I'm still

11:44

tired. Yeah.

11:45

It doesn't matter why. She didn't claim she was

11:47

exhausted. It from working too hard. No. It could

11:50

have been a hot time of year. I heard that she got

11:52

very hot during herbie fully loaded because

11:54

of the a

11:55

poststream. And she

11:57

was

11:57

out by a car all day. I

12:00

mean, that's unrelated to being drunk, but

12:02

she wasn't in great physical health because of the drinking

12:04

and drinking know when you've had too much to

12:06

drink and then the next day you're like hung over and

12:08

you're sweating and you're like that actually stinks like

12:10

spirits. But I feel like she was

12:13

I've

12:13

only had that happen once or so. When

12:15

you are hungover and sick, you

12:17

do feel hot. Oh, yeah. But

12:20

it's also valid sickness. Like, you can

12:22

say you did that to yourself. Like,

12:24

yeah, I don't feel any less sick. Yeah.

12:26

Well, I feel sick and can't work. What

12:29

he can do about that? In twenty ten,

12:31

she was sacked from the movie Inferno.

12:34

She had skipped out on a drink

12:36

driving hearing and then showed up to

12:38

court with nails that read fuck you and

12:41

send back to jail. So she didn't

12:43

get to be in that movie. The director and

12:45

screenwriter of that film said on his Facebook

12:47

page We stuck by her

12:49

very patiently for a long time

12:51

with a lot of love and support. The impossibility

12:54

of ensuring her and other issues

12:56

have made it impossible for us to go forward.

12:59

He told CBS, she missed

13:01

a day of work without telling anybody and you

13:03

can have a whole crew and car standing

13:05

around, plus the cost of half

13:07

a million dollars a day loss. That

13:09

makes me feel sick. You

13:11

just know she actually felt guilty because

13:14

when she realized she was had to be somewhere.

13:16

She's gone to sleep. Yeah. She's gone out. She's gone

13:18

to sleep. She's gone. I'll do a quick twenty minute

13:20

nap, and then I'll do a four day's work. Yeah. And

13:22

she'll wake up at four PM.

13:24

And the feeling she has got in her gut

13:27

when she realizes she's missed a whole day of

13:29

work. There's some avoidance going

13:31

on after that because you're not making a call at

13:33

401.

13:33

No. So you know what you're doing? You're getting a

13:35

drink. I mean,

13:36

that's where it cycles. Yeah. You're going,

13:38

I feel horrible. I might talk to somebody

13:40

in a couple of days -- Yeah. -- and do an apology.

13:44

In that director's defense,

13:46

it must be hard to film a movie

13:48

when the star is in jail. That's

13:51

something that he probably didn't. Anticipate.

13:54

During filming for Lindsay, the

13:57

docu series with Oprah.

13:59

Oprah got really mad at Lindsay because

14:01

she kept not showing up.

14:03

I believe that you believe that

14:05

this is your time to

14:07

turn this around for yourself. It is. Okay.

14:09

If that is the case, then you're

14:11

not gonna up and I know you're

14:13

surprised if you'd be

14:14

safe. I actually love it. You're

14:16

not gonna be doing -- Awesome. you're not gonna

14:19

be doing that.

14:19

III need to hear that. From

14:21

you because it helps. It it empowers me.

14:24

Okay. So, elephant in the room. Lindsay

14:26

alone by this stage is an addict. Correct.

14:28

Probably alcohol may be drugs. She

14:31

is completely burnt out because she's been working since

14:33

she was ten. Literally, she

14:35

was working twice as hard in that she was playing twins.

14:37

Annie and Howard. Right? Yes.

14:39

And then she went on to just do back to back,

14:41

and she's got

14:42

rumors, and she's got all these careers.

14:44

There's also this stress of she wasn't

14:47

several bad movies. That

14:49

would be really hard on your because Bad

14:51

movies are hard to make too. Yeah. And then

14:53

she's trying to finish school like she would have been

14:55

so so tired. And I think I've red

14:57

once about the day. She'd have been doing sixteen

14:59

hour days for years of

15:01

her life. And so she's clearly got

15:03

addiction issues and people like Oprah yelling

15:06

at her. Nice help. Paul.

15:09

So Oprah kept being like, it's okay.

15:11

We can pull the plug, but you won't get your

15:13

two mil. Okay. And I was

15:15

like, oh, it's so hard because she doesn't wanna work,

15:17

but she wants the two. Yeah. Same.

15:19

Which I

15:19

get. Lindsay then

15:21

starred in a movie called The Canyons. And

15:24

in two thousand and thirteen, there was the

15:26

most amazing detailed story written in

15:28

New York Times called, Here is what happens

15:30

when you cast Lindsay Lowen in your movie.

15:33

So so very great headlines. Here

15:35

are some anecdotes. At the first

15:37

script read, Lindsay's obviously

15:39

twenty minutes

15:40

late. Mhmm. Which I say absolutely fine.

15:42

I was

15:43

training when it's like because I was telling my partner

15:45

to get me posted on this. So I say, Lindsay,

15:47

you can be twenty minutes. Right? As

15:49

the director is speaking, everyone

15:52

notices that she's kind of jotting on her

15:54

script -- Mhmm. -- and they see that she's

15:56

crossed out people's names and put down

15:58

a list of possible replacements. Oh.

16:00

So it's like me seeing you and being like cancel

16:03

those. Jesse's status, no. No. No. And

16:05

then just writing other

16:06

names, That's hurtful. It also

16:08

wasn't like, that's not within her

16:10

ring yet.

16:11

No. No. She's not a producer. She's

16:13

an actor. She kept disappearing

16:16

for days on end. To the point where the director

16:18

fired her because he couldn't get onto

16:20

her, then she turned up to his hotel bang

16:22

on the door and crying. Because she

16:24

did feel really bad. This is

16:27

what's highlight. Yes, she's an addict and I don't

16:29

think that Oprah interrogating her is good.

16:32

She also is not a good employer. So at that

16:34

stage, I feel like it's enter your

16:36

own

16:36

risk. Just don't employ Lindsay

16:38

Long for a while until she gets better. He

16:40

thought he could handle her because he had

16:42

worked with a lot of alcoholics, but

16:44

he rehires her when she bangs on the

16:46

door. One day, they break for lunch.

16:49

And Lindsay's like, I wanna go

16:51

outside

16:51

the set to eat. And they're

16:53

like, well, it's a problem because you need to be supervised

16:56

at all times. No. No. No. Because otherwise,

16:59

you go missing. Mhmm. So they

17:01

assign one of the co producers to

17:04

drive her, and she's got an entourage. She's always got

17:06

an entourage. To drive her in an

17:08

entourage to where she wants to

17:10

go to get lunch. So they're driving

17:12

their stop at the big studio gates to

17:14

click the code for them to go out. Car stops.

17:17

Lindsay and her entrepreneur run out of the car.

17:19

Oh. They escape and run to

17:21

one of the assistance cars. Disappeared

17:24

for several hours. Come back after filming

17:26

has resumed.

17:28

Lindsay. Lindsay. Her work.

17:32

And you think with this that in fact,

17:34

the person who needs to get in and probably

17:36

talk to the people who she's working

17:39

for is her

17:39

manager. Which, of course, is her

17:42

mother. I

17:44

don't think she's very good at. Problematic

17:46

either job. I think speaking of people, you can't

17:48

swim the way. Both of whom do

17:50

you want

17:50

me? I was gonna say Dana and to a greater

17:53

extent, Michael. Yeah. Not

17:55

a bad. Not a

17:56

cool. Not a nice man. Michael's time and

17:58

time again. I have to say though. There

18:00

were all these stories about Lindsay Lauren being chaotic.

18:03

She spent six hundred dollars on sushi.

18:06

When she was on set for this, and it was a really low

18:08

budget film. And they're like, we don't have

18:10

that kind of money for sushi, but she didn't

18:12

understand. But the actor

18:14

she was starring against, who's

18:17

an adult film star, has since been accused

18:19

of rape and assault And some of

18:21

the drama was that she didn't feel comfortable

18:24

shooting alongside him. And she said that a few

18:26

times that everyone is like bloody Lindsay She's

18:28

so She's

18:29

been dramatic. She's been dramatic. She

18:32

had a bloody point. The man was a literal criminal.

18:34

And would say, more of a

18:35

criminal. Who is also

18:37

a criminal? But to a lesser extent,

18:40

well said.

18:50

It's not every day that

18:52

we do get an actual criminal in

18:54

the cancer courtroom. That's not fun. So

18:56

it is fun. But look, Lindsay

18:58

didn't do a murder that we know of. One

19:01

time, she did have to serve a theft sentence.

19:04

At home and while under home

19:06

confinement, She threw parties

19:08

on her rooftop. Nowhere doesn't say

19:10

you can't.

19:11

Genuinely, the parole person was like,

19:13

that's bad judgment. Nowhere

19:15

in your parole thing, did it say that

19:18

you can't express bad

19:19

judgment? So you're actually kind of fine.

19:22

Yeah. We throw a party sometimes.

19:24

That's okay. It's stupid. Yeah. And

19:26

who were the friends turning up being like, you seem like

19:28

you're doing? Do

19:30

I dream months celebrate? But we're

19:32

not here to talk about the real crimes unless

19:34

they are this one. In two thousand eleven,

19:37

Lindsay was refusing to pay a forty

19:39

thousand dollar bill to the owner of

19:41

a Las Vegas tanning salon

19:44

who claimed the actress racked up the charge

19:46

for services between two thousand and seven

19:48

and two thousand and

19:49

nine. Tlyssa and I did the math. Mhmm.

19:52

The

19:52

average spray tan at that time

19:55

and, you know, a little bit high end but

19:57

to see him? Fifty US dollars. Well,

19:59

that's an expensive spray tan, but I remember

20:01

it. Yeah. It's expensive spray tan for two

20:03

thousand eleven. I got one the other day. It

20:05

cost me sixty dollars. Alright. But that's, you

20:07

know, cost of living. It's cost of

20:09

living, but like, we're talking more than ten years

20:11

ago. But

20:11

this is in lunch. She's getting top of the brain. Exactly.

20:13

So you've got to account for all of those things in

20:15

your equation. Forty

20:18

thousand dollars -- Yes. -- divided

20:20

by fifty, so that's how many spray

20:22

tams. It's eight hundred

20:24

spray tams in two years. That's

20:27

four hundred tons a year, which is

20:30

more too many. It's more than one

20:32

a day. So we went to

20:34

school. Without what I would call indolent

20:36

look

20:36

like. Okay. Yes. And she had

20:39

the same coloring and she too

20:41

had addiction to spray tans. Mhmm.

20:44

And I knew what her routine was.

20:47

It was obviously the Thursday

20:49

spray tan. It looked fabulous on

20:51

a Friday, Saturday, sun.

20:53

Start looking a little ordinary on a Monday,

20:56

and by Wednesday, we were getting

20:58

out the steel wall

20:59

Remember that was her thing to get the steel

21:01

wall to get all because he had to exfoliate

21:03

it all off to then do the Thursday. I

21:05

don't know how we're getting more than one spray tan

21:07

away. don't know if she was

21:09

paying for friend's spray tan.

21:10

I think there's that. There are also other

21:13

tanning products she could have purchased from

21:15

the tanning place. Yeah. Maybe tanning

21:17

place also did browse. But maybe she just

21:19

got tan upon tan upon

21:21

tan. Maybe she just never exfoliated. Mhmm.

21:23

Doing tan upon tan was very of the era,

21:26

building up a And that was the first

21:28

time in all of

21:28

history, one could get a spray tan. It's a

21:31

very new phenomenon. Speaking

21:34

of baffling behavior, In twenty fourteen,

21:36

a list that Lindsay had written featuring

21:38

thirty six man she'd allegedly slept

21:40

with was published by the tabloids. It

21:43

featured a number of high profile actors

21:45

and singers, some who have already

21:47

featured in the cancel courtroom. Wait.

21:49

Did she send this to the tabloid? No. So she

21:51

thinks that what high happened was that

21:53

while she was filming the Oprah

21:55

show, she was moving house. When she

21:58

was moving house back on wine and she wasn't meant

22:00

to be drinking, it was a la la la la la la la la.

22:02

But She was holding this list that she

22:04

had written in AA. She said it was like

22:06

the fifth step of AA. Write down all the

22:08

men you've heard taxes. don't think that's one of the

22:10

rules. She did it anyway. And

22:12

she thinks that a pap got

22:15

it and then zoomed in and then published

22:17

it. Right. Who's on not like this

22:20

just awful. Who's on the list?

22:22

Heath Ledger, James Franco, Adam

22:25

Levine, Ryan Felipe, Zacchefron.

22:28

Justin Timberlake. Colin Farrell.

22:30

Walk in. Walk in. Walk in.

22:33

Walk in. Jamie Dornen.

22:35

Ashden Kutcher. Orlando

22:36

Bloom. They're the ones that, like, we would care

22:38

about

22:39

them. My list

22:40

looked like that. Oh, I would

22:41

have

22:41

it in two to my four in

22:43

the past. I'd be walking out the front

22:45

and waving it.

22:47

Yes.

22:47

And going, look at me list. Look

22:50

at this.

22:51

And ask questions. And and you know what? Range.

22:54

Two. As I go from Heath Ledger to

22:56

Jamie

22:57

Dormen. To Zach, what

22:59

a life.

23:00

Oh, I have to say what a legend.

23:02

What a legend? She'd have some stories. She

23:04

later confirmed the list was real, but

23:06

that she had never intended for it to go public.

23:09

On watch what happens live a few years ago,

23:11

Andy Cohen asked her about it, and

23:13

she said she believed that

23:15

it had been snapped when she was moving, and

23:18

she doubled down that No. This is

23:20

real. And that it was quite upsetting for her because it

23:22

was

23:23

private. You know what? I'm gonna get serious for a

23:25

second. I have to do this quickly because I know that we don't much

23:27

time. That was actually my fifth

23:29

step in AA on Honeyford. And

23:32

someone when I was moving during the own

23:34

show must have taken a photo of

23:35

it. And so that's a really personal thing. Wow. And

23:38

that's it's really unfortunate. Why

23:40

did you write down with people? I was

23:42

like, oh, I'm gonna wear a bit of pants. But

23:44

no. No. But the controversy

23:47

is that a few people on the list have denied

23:49

that they belonged with it. Of course, they did.

23:51

Adam Levine. Oh. Yeah.

23:54

Because you don't have sex with everyone. James

23:56

Franco. These are bad men. And

23:59

awkwardly, Justin Timberlake

24:01

being on there would mean that he cheated

24:03

on Cabille, which we

24:05

love. Badly believe.

24:09

I believe it wholeheartedly. I mean, they're

24:11

three canceled men. Right. The council

24:13

courtroom says, yeah, I think that happened.

24:15

It's very likely. As we've

24:18

said before, where there is smoke, there is fire.

24:21

Well said, Jesse random accents. While

24:24

Lindsey Lowen was born in New York City and

24:26

raised on Long Island, spending

24:28

a huge amount of her formative years in

24:30

either New York, America,

24:33

or

24:33

LA, also America, but she

24:35

is as we said. She is as a tally.

24:39

She's

24:40

also she's more Italian than Ilala

24:42

is Spanish. Yeah. heard it he first. Correct.

24:45

In twenty sixteen, fans began to notice

24:47

she had picked up a bit of

24:49

an accent. So I'm gonna play you a couple of

24:51

clips. Jesse, for context,

24:54

This is what Lindsay Lauren sounded like

24:56

in two thousand and fourteen.

24:58

And that I feel different

25:00

ever since that. Just being okay with

25:03

you know, the wreckage of my past and

25:05

letting that go and starting fresh. Can

25:07

you hear that she's kind of husky and very

25:09

American?

25:09

And she sounds like she didn't mean girls. Yeah.

25:12

Exactly. Yeah. Exactly.

25:13

This is her two years later. Mother became

25:15

a very close person to me and my sister as well,

25:18

nice brother. And Adi knows

25:20

another partner of hours and my

25:22

friend models have a really comfy.

25:24

This is just me holding it with me walking,

25:26

going. Whereas the paparazzi

25:29

may be across the

25:29

street, I didn't know. And Nate crucified me

25:31

for it in America. Nate made

25:33

me seem like Satan.

25:35

She's sounding quasi European. The

25:37

inflection of her voice has all changed

25:39

and she does come through with

25:41

some Spanish notes. Yeah.

25:44

It's like It's like English

25:46

is the second language. Was she spending

25:48

time in Europe

25:49

then? Because didn't she go and she basically bought all

25:51

of Greece? Absolutely. Yes.

25:53

She says that she was learning Italian, maybe

25:56

Arabic. She was learning like three languages at

25:58

once, and it confused her.

26:00

So have you heard the theory about does

26:02

an accents. You know how this comes up a lot. Mhmm.

26:04

Right? It's come up with elvis.

26:07

Austin Butler. If you are

26:09

seriously putting on nervous accent constantly.

26:12

I mean, your dick, and it's embarrassing

26:14

for you. I didn't realize just how congested

26:17

it gets you. And And I

26:19

also was just so impressed with it was the

26:21

Jurassic Park stuff was going

26:22

on, so they had the giant ice. Five years

26:24

later. I I do wanna address something. There's

26:27

there's people out there who say that ever since I

26:29

played out was my voice has changed.

26:32

But what people will say

26:34

is that it actually especially if you're an actor,

26:37

like changes your brain and people

26:39

can adopt to these accents even if they've lived

26:41

somewhere for a very short period of time. And

26:44

I guess you're very impressed of all if you're an actor.

26:46

I still think it's

26:48

embarrassing. Yeah. I feel embarrassing, but

26:50

the question that I come to is, are

26:52

we doing it on purpose? Okay. In

26:54

the interviews where Lindsay

26:57

has her accent, it's always in

26:59

non English speaking interviews. Or

27:02

where the people interviewing her have English

27:04

as a second language. So it sounds like she's

27:06

kind of trying to sound

27:08

like she belongs with

27:09

them. Yeah. Like we did in Italy when we

27:11

were like It is

27:13

a word for Coca Cola.

27:15

Yeah. Exactly. We didn't speak any we didn't

27:17

say ciao or anything. We just

27:19

said, what's the word for, constantly.

27:22

Very annoying, disrespectful. In

27:24

twenty nineteen, Lindsey did

27:26

say that her accent

27:29

was due to her world travel. She was living

27:31

in Dubai at the time. But

27:34

then In her reality TV

27:36

show, Lindsay Lawrence Beach Club. She sounded

27:39

slightly British. So that's because

27:41

she'd been spending time in like Mick and I saw something.

27:43

Yeah. So maybe you're right,

27:45

but it is a little bit It

27:48

is. It is. But I don't know if it's on

27:50

purpose. I think that people just spend time

27:52

in different places and start

27:54

speaking differently. We'll get to

27:57

when she did a kidnap. And

27:59

when she did the kidnapped the accent was

28:01

particularly ridiculous. Jesse,

28:03

her feuds with other celebrities. Lindsay

28:06

Lohan has had several high

28:08

profile falling out with

28:11

friends. She fell out with

28:13

Paris Hilton after she hung out

28:15

with Hilton's ex boyfriend, and

28:17

in twenty nineteen, on watch what happens

28:20

live, which always comes up on

28:22

this

28:22

show. Yeah. And Andy Collins getting all the gossip

28:24

Hilton was asked to say three nice things

28:26

about Lindsay Lowen. She said She's

28:30

beyond blame, an

28:32

embarrassment. Okay.

28:35

In twenty eighteen, Kim Kardashian posted

28:37

a photo of her with a

28:39

braided hairstyle and she was getting all this

28:41

flak because people were saying it was cultural appropriation.

28:44

Lindsay Lowen commented, I'm confused.

28:47

And in response, Kim wrote back, you know

28:49

what's

28:49

confusing? You're sudden for an accent.

28:54

Tim. It's his sole

28:56

point. The woman's

28:58

Italian. She

29:01

just doesn't have good relationships with these

29:03

people that she was friends with for a while.

29:05

But one of the most well known feuds

29:07

is her falling out with Hilary Duff. And

29:09

it's particularly bad because I think we're all

29:11

on Hillary's side. In two thousand

29:14

one, Hillary was fourteen.

29:16

Lindsay was around fifteen. And the

29:18

feud started because of pop star, Aaron

29:21

Carter. Unfortunately, has passed

29:23

away very, very sad, but he was also

29:25

fourteen. Hillary met

29:27

Aaron while filming Lizzie McGuire

29:29

and they started going out. What

29:32

do two fourteen year olds do when they're

29:34

dating? I don't know.

29:37

Oh, yeah. The movies. Oh, yeah. I think

29:39

I got the movies. Was herbie out

29:41

yet? I don't think so.

29:43

It wasn't out yet. No. My wife's in parent

29:45

trap. Yeah. Great film. After

29:48

a year of

29:49

dating, Aaron dumps Hillary

29:51

because he and I quote, cut

29:54

little bored. A year is a long time,

29:57

and fourteen year olds love

29:58

them. Boring. Boring. I know

30:00

a lot there.

30:01

I just think maybe his standards were too high because

30:03

it's like, how is she gonna be a not boring fourteen

30:05

year old?

30:07

How was, like, your twenties? Like, it hasn't

30:09

happened yet? Like, we just haven't had enough happen.

30:11

No. She's a child. He

30:14

moves on to Lindsay. So that's

30:16

upset Hillary. He moves on to Lindsay

30:18

Loewen who apparently finds a bit more interesting.

30:20

But then he cheats on her within few months. It's

30:22

all very dramatic. For some reason,

30:25

despite the fact that this is

30:27

a love triangle between three littoral children,

30:29

There's tension between Hillary and

30:32

Lindsay. A couple of years later,

30:34

Hillary Duff turns up to the freaky

30:36

Friday premiere. Despite not

30:38

being invited. So

30:41

Lindsay gets back at her by turning

30:43

up uninvited to the chief of either

30:45

dozen preemies. This

30:48

is the kind of petty behavior I'm here

30:50

for. It's like

30:51

said, great Australian reality stars. Yes.

30:53

Did you show up to every premiere? It's like, don't

30:55

reckon you even

30:56

got an email.

30:57

Nara, can you showed up, went to the media wall,

30:59

try to get in, don't have to get It's

31:01

so embarrassing. The rumor

31:04

goes that At this stage,

31:06

Lindsay couldn't stop bitching about Hillary,

31:08

and I think she bitched about Hillary to

31:10

Chad Michael Murray, which is

31:12

cruel. Because of his faith. Yeah.

31:14

And Hilary would have been offended. In two

31:16

thousand and four, Lindsey Lowens'

31:19

eight year old brother Cody Is

31:21

it an event? And he goes up to Hillary

31:23

Duff's then boyfriend, Joel

31:25

Madden, from Good Charlotte. Yes.

31:30

To ask for an autograph. Okay. So

31:32

Lindsay's a long little brother. He's like, hey, Joe

31:34

Madden. Hey Joe Madden can have an autograph. Okay.

31:36

And Joe Madden is like, Can I speak

31:38

to your mom? Oh, not

31:40

Dana. Dana. And he

31:42

confronts Dana Owen and says,

31:45

Your daughter needs to apologize for all this

31:47

shit she's been saying about Hillary to

31:49

industry

31:50

peers. Cody

31:53

just wanted an autograph. Coache. She's the one

31:55

in an autograph from Coachella that everyone

31:57

knows. Did you hear that

31:59

apparently Lindsay's spent a lot

32:01

of time talking to Tina Fey and Amy

32:03

Pola on set about her beef with Hillary.

32:06

And then Tina Fey came out and was like, look,

32:08

I tried to follow. I'm not following. Like,

32:10

she tried to explain to me like ten times. She was

32:12

like, tell me what's going on withillary. Like,

32:14

just break it down. Why don't

32:17

relaxillary it

32:17

off? And Lindsay was like, I

32:19

didn't caught up. And she was like, I

32:22

just am not. It's one of those

32:24

stories where it's like, okay, I get

32:26

why Hillary might not like Lindsay. Because

32:28

she got dumped for Lindsay. I don't get

32:30

why Lindsay doesn't like Hillary. Hillary

32:33

doesn't appear to have done anything, but show

32:35

up to support

32:37

that kind of premiere for a great

32:39

film. Are

32:40

they friends now? Oh, I think Hilary Duff comes

32:42

cross very well as an adult. No. I think

32:45

that's what sad is that years down the track.

32:47

We go who seems like they

32:49

were in the wild. Yeah. Who seems like they're

32:51

in the right? Probably Hillary. But they're

32:53

not best friends. And Hillary's like, oh,

32:55

we were so young. It's just so silly. Oh,

32:58

no. We need more details actually.

33:01

Jesse, that is all we've got time. Okay.

33:03

Before we wrap up this episode,

33:04

I'm talking

33:05

about my movies.

33:06

I know who killed me movie.

33:08

She's living inside a she made up.

33:11

You let both of us die just to keep your

33:13

secret?

33:15

You should be dead by now. I

33:18

know who killed me. I

33:21

know about it. It just wasn't relevant

33:23

to any of the particular I just can't believe

33:26

that this wasn't a job. Point. This actually probably the hardest

33:28

I've ever been at you in regards to prep

33:30

because this actually needed to be a top point.

33:32

J go. It is

33:35

widely considered one of the worst films

33:37

ever

33:38

made. Did you know that? No.

33:40

She was traumatized apparently because it's scary.

33:43

She said that the first time she went to therapy

33:45

slash rehab was not about drugs or

33:47

alcohol, but because that feeling was scary.

33:50

No. That's not correct. Because when she was

33:52

filming, I know who killed me,

33:54

she was actually in and out of rehab for

33:57

addiction

33:57

issues. Well, no. She

33:58

says it wasn't for addiction. Issue. Okay.

33:59

Well, it has nine percent on rotten tomatoes, so I'm gonna

34:02

tell you a little bit about it. Okay.

34:03

Okay?

34:03

The trailer? Absolutely fantastic.

34:06

I suggest everyone watch She

34:08

knew how to turn her life into a movie,

34:11

who watched things happen. Not to

34:13

her, but to a girl who looked just like her.

34:15

How would she ever find her other house?

34:18

Do you know that this is

34:20

about a set of twins, both played by At Unzalone?

34:22

Okay. I'm gonna read you some reviews and then I'm gonna

34:24

read you the

34:24

synopsis.

34:25

Okay. Okay. There was one that

34:27

was written in Spanish, and I was like, I desperately wanna know what

34:29

this is. I translated it. It just said crap that

34:31

maybe. But it wasn't worth the translation.

34:34

No one I repeat. No one should see this movie.

34:36

Separate one. This is a worst movie I've

34:39

ever watched, but it was such a train wreck I couldn't

34:41

look away. The plot had such massive

34:43

holes and the characters so terribly developed.

34:45

I'm truly shocked it was ever produced. Don't

34:48

become me and waste brain cells on this

34:50

movie. And someone else said after

34:52

only a few

34:53

minutes, I wished someone I knew

34:55

would come and kill

34:56

me. Okay?

34:57

So

34:57

I went potholes. Surely not.

35:00

Okay. Who've gone flat?

35:01

Orbrigo is

35:01

missing. Yeah. Alright. Who's Orbrig?

35:04

The actor. Like, I love it. Okay.

35:06

Orbrigos missing. Mhmm. Only

35:09

to be rediscovered later. Right? Saying

35:11

we've seen this before. The difference

35:13

is, she has

35:15

been so mutilated by someone. That

35:19

one leg and one arm to be

35:21

amputated. Okay. And this is like a

35:23

review I read. Right? It said the plot is riddled

35:25

with inconsistencies late and logics, insane

35:27

developments. This review goes on.

35:30

Dakota, meanwhile, is actually Aubrey's

35:32

Secret Twin, a detail that is never fully logistically

35:34

blamed and feels oddly reminiscent of Loewen's

35:37

previous skin in the parent trap. Oh, and by

35:39

the way, Dakota suffered

35:41

the same mutilation as Aubrey. Because

35:43

the two share a psychic link wherein

35:45

each of them suffers the injuries inflicted

35:47

upon the

35:48

other. So for no reason Dakota also

35:50

doesn't have an arm or a leg. Sorry.

35:54

That's it. That's it?

35:57

Okay. Lovely. That sounds

35:59

really

35:59

good. And

36:00

as you say, she won two awards.

36:01

I like that she tied with herself. It's

36:03

a absolute worst. Oh,

36:06

okay. That is actually all we have

36:08

time for on today's episode about

36:10

Lindsay Lowen. I also have in my notes,

36:12

Mastering Australia, must have been a low point.

36:14

That's kinda Oh my god. With

36:17

thanks for your support. I really appreciate

36:19

it. Please join us for part

36:22

two because Part

36:24

two, we are discussing how she

36:26

kinda miss vibes, misses the mood

36:28

a lot. We like just playing

36:30

commentary. Not the vibe. We

36:32

discussed when she did try to

36:34

kidnap the child on a street

36:37

in Moscow -- Mhmm. -- and the accident

36:39

came out. Her being rogue

36:41

on social it's actually life

36:43

out there. I just can't get over her being rogue

36:46

on Twitter. Sometimes she didn't tweet as Facebook

36:48

a lot. And a

36:50

recent Netflix movie with

36:52

just a surprise special mention at the end

36:54

of that

36:55

episode. So thank you so much for

36:57

joining us. For all the evidence that

36:59

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and to win your very own limited

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over to the twins underscore thoughts on Instagram

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and share with us your favorite celebrity

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lazy girl story. Infamous,

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we've talked about it, Mariah Carey, getting halfway through

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her years, egg performance, and going,

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Nah. Don't undo it. And going home Everyone else

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gets a

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holiday. Hey, Y'all. You're on holiday. Why don't I

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get to be on holiday? Because you're being paid a lot

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of money. Plastic Mariah to perform

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and you probably had a holiday at another point

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in the year. Exactly. That is

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really hard when your holidays are at different

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points. So if you could send us your

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favorite celebrity lazy girl

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stories, the best ones And you know

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what? I know

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gonna broaden it. Okay. Lazy

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girl and boy, we don't discriminate. No, we don't.

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Either one. We would love you to send

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them through and we will share our favorites.

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The executive producer is Tolisa

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Bazais, with audio editing by Tom

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Lyon, and we'll be back next week.

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