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All right, guys, it's Tuesday and some great news

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in case you missed my Instagram announcement.

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I am pregnant. And today I'm going to tell you guys

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what the sex of the baby is. I know that inquiring

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minds want to know and why not tell you guys on

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my show. Then we're going to dive into

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modern love stories. I'm very

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interested and fascinated on the

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cultural brainwashing that makes people aspire

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toward modern love. And

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then beyond that, we're going to discuss a surrogate

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who is claiming that a couple of gay

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dads told her to terminate her pregnancy

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at 24 weeks after discovering

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that she had an aggressive cancer.

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All that and more today coming up on Candace Owens.

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All right, so I couldn't hide it anymore. We got tired

0:53

of thinking about camera angles, and

0:55

I don't even know, really know why I was hiding it. There really was

0:57

no reason to, but yes, I am pregnant

0:59

and we are so excited. We announced

1:02

it the other day on my Instagram. You guys

1:04

were so kind in the comments with all the congratulations.

1:07

You're obviously beyond excited. I mean,

1:09

I've really been pregnant for three years. If you think about it, I'm

1:11

I've had a child in 2021. I had one in 2022 and I

1:14

will now be having a child in 2023. I'm basically an

1:16

elephant. I think

1:20

people are going to wonder if I'm pregnant again,

1:22

or still this time I am pregnant

1:24

again. And I'm pleased to announce that we are welcoming

1:27

another little boy to the family. And I was

1:29

right. I told you guys, I just

1:31

have this amazing ability to know the sex

1:33

of my children immediately. It was just like

1:35

this mama intuition. I knew

1:37

my first was a boy. I knew my second was a girl and

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I bet my doctor, I said, I guarantee

1:42

you this is going to be a little boy. And indeed it

1:44

was. So we are absolutely thrilled of course,

1:47

to be growing our family. I believe family is

1:49

the greatest blessing and aspiration

1:52

that any person can have. And

1:54

I wish it upon people, even my enemies,

1:56

because I think that becoming a mother or a

1:58

father fundamentally

1:59

changes you and informs your perspectives.

2:02

And I also think that it encourages you. And I mean,

2:05

quite literally, it gives you more

2:07

courage in life to stand up to

2:09

what is wrong. So just

2:11

wanted to share that news with the world

2:13

and share the sex of the baby on

2:16

this podcast. All right, guys, moving

2:18

on and talking about the love of family.

2:21

I'm really struck by the concept of

2:23

modern love. So I'm gonna share something with you guys about

2:26

my liberal past. I've been very open about the

2:28

fact that I used to be more left leaning, which I think

2:30

is really common in your youth because

2:33

you don't really understand how the world works.

2:35

And what left is really good at selling ideas. And

2:37

one idea that I really bid on

2:39

in my youth was the concept of modern

2:42

love. Now, what am I talking about? Well, the New

2:44

York Times actually has this weekly

2:46

column that comes out, it's entitled, Modern

2:48

Love. And essentially it is readers

2:51

of the New York Times that submit these columns,

2:53

sharing their modern love stories, different

2:56

ways that they're operating, their relationship,

2:58

manners, I guess in a way that

3:00

makes it seem that it's cool to

3:03

be bucking traditional trends is the

3:05

best way to see it. So I remember consuming these articles

3:08

and being obsessed with this column and thinking how cool

3:10

it was that people were sharing different ways

3:12

they dived into love. And when

3:14

I pause and reflect on why I thought that was

3:16

cool and aspirational, it's because

3:19

the way that it's pitched

3:21

to people that are young is that it symbolizes

3:23

freedom. Why have that

3:26

natural traditional

3:29

marriage when you can have something that's different

3:31

and works for you and the person that you're in a relationship

3:33

with? Of course, the idea here is that it's freedom,

3:37

when in fact it is narcissism, first

3:39

and foremost, it's thinking that I do

3:41

not have to be disciplined and I don't have to submit in any

3:43

way I can live my life as I want

3:45

to the every impulse that I have, I

3:48

should be able to give into. But the other

3:50

thing that they never tell you is that it almost never

3:53

works out. So I'm just reading

3:54

to you here, this is just me on the New York Times

3:56

website, a couple of recent headlines, just to

3:58

give you an idea of what. the modern love

4:01

concept is for the New York Times.

4:03

This one is entitled, My Spectacular

4:06

Betrayal. And

4:07

the subheading reads, we had compromised

4:09

in our marriages, denied parts of

4:11

ourselves, often felt lonely, but who didn't?

4:14

Weren't we happy enough?

4:17

Next one is entitled, That's Why I Picked

4:19

a Younger Man. The next

4:22

one is entitled, Kissing a Fellow

4:24

Janitor Amid the Trash. So you

4:26

get the concept here. It's people that are doing love

4:29

differently. And as I said before, they're

4:31

happy to share these stories. They're happy to make these stories

4:33

aspirational. We never really get an update

4:36

to how it worked out, right? How it worked

4:38

out for these individuals. I'm reading one right here about a

4:41

woman, a man who's in love with somebody

4:43

that is Polly Amoris. How

4:45

does that really work out in the long run? Well, that's not

4:48

the point. They want to glamorize it and

4:50

make it seem like it's cool and that it's

4:52

free. It typically works on younger

4:54

minds. It definitely worked on me until

4:57

I woke up to the lie that this represented

4:59

freedom. But in fact, it enslaves you

5:01

because you're not actually happy. Happy

5:03

because you're not yielding to your natural proclivities.

5:06

You're not yielding to your biology,

5:08

your biological instinct to settle

5:10

down, to have a family, to produce children. You're fighting

5:12

it. And typically, what can happen if

5:15

you don't wake up to that is that you're fighting it until it's too

5:17

late. Well,

5:18

here's an example, by the way, in culture

5:21

and in politics of a modern

5:23

love example. Bill de Blasio, you remember him?

5:25

He was a one-time presidential

5:28

contender that nobody took seriously. And before

5:30

that, he was busy ruining the city

5:32

of New York as the mayor. But

5:35

Bill de Blasio married a woman named Sherlane

5:37

McCray. You probably know this because

5:40

one of the things they really wanted to put in your face is like,

5:42

hey, this is a biracial couple. I think

5:45

it obviously helped him. That factor definitely

5:47

helped him become the mayor in New York. Certainly

5:49

his policies didn't because he ruined the city.

5:51

But something you probably didn't know

5:53

about Bill de Blasio and Sherlane McCray

5:56

is it's not interesting that they're in a biracial relationship.

5:58

The more interesting factor...

5:59

is that she's a lesbian.

6:02

Was a lesbian, is a lesbian. Yeah,

6:04

when he met her, she had written a column

6:07

in Essence Magazine entitled,

6:09

I Am a Lesbian, where she talked

6:11

about her, you know, being a lesbian.

6:14

And that didn't matter to Bill de Blasio at the time they married her.

6:16

That's just different. That's just interesting. That

6:18

is something that could almost be a column

6:20

in the New York Times modern love segment.

6:23

Oh, why I married a lesbian. I'm

6:25

super happy. Well, how did that work out?

6:27

Well, they're splitting.

6:28

But they're not going

6:31

to divorce because the only way to build

6:33

upon your modern love failure is

6:36

to add to it another layer of

6:38

modern love. Now you can

6:40

split without actually divorcing and remain

6:43

happy and see other people. And that's

6:45

exactly what they're doing. Yeah, they opened up to none other than

6:47

the New York Times, of course, because

6:50

only the New York Times could possibly glamorize

6:53

a split in the way that they are doing with Bill

6:55

de Blasio and Shirley Macrae. I'm

6:57

just going to read you an excerpt

6:58

from this absurd article

7:01

announcing their split.

7:02

So the article is written by, if you

7:04

want to call him a journalist, Matt Fleggenheiner.

7:07

And it reads,

7:09

about two months ago, after another stale

7:11

Saturday night of bin watching television

7:14

at their Brooklyn home, Bill de Blasio

7:16

and Shirley Macrae surprised themselves.

7:19

It began with an offhand remark. Why

7:21

aren't you lovey-dovey anymore? Mr.

7:24

de Blasio, the former New York City mayor, asked,

7:26

according to Ms. Macrae, his wife.

7:42

You can't fake it, Ms. Macrae said Tuesday

7:45

from their kitchen table. You can feel

7:47

when things are off, Mr. de Blasio said,

7:50

and you don't want to live that way.

7:52

They made the decision that night.

7:54

Mr. de Blasio and Ms. Macrae are

7:56

separating. They

7:57

are not planning to divorce, they said, but

7:59

they will date other days. people.

8:01

They will continue to share the Park Slope

8:03

townhouse where they raised their two children

8:06

now in their twenties. I mean,

8:09

the article just goes on and on in this way,

8:11

in this manner of depicting them like this modern

8:14

couples that are enjoying dancing

8:16

to music, talking about old

8:18

times, sitting at the kitchen counter.

8:21

It is the most glamorous portrayal

8:24

of a relationship that failed because

8:26

a relationship should have never come together. Obviously,

8:29

I think it's even remarkable that she chose

8:31

not to take his last name, that she was a lesbian.

8:34

All of the things that I signaled for you to

8:36

be red flags when entering a relationship,

8:38

the things that for whatever reason they are making

8:41

aspirational via Hollywood, via culture, via

8:43

politics. And this article

8:45

really becomes for me the

8:48

pitch of everything that I

8:50

despise about modern love.

8:53

So I'm just going to read to you another portion of

8:55

this. This is actually the end of the article.

8:57

It reads, he, they're referring

8:59

to Bill de Blasio, quoted two favorite

9:02

phrases of Ms. McCrae's. Quote,

9:04

labels put people in boxes and

9:07

those boxes are shaped like coffins

9:09

and I never want to be stuck.

9:11

And one that was prized by his brother, a Tibetan

9:14

Buddhist, avoid attachments. They

9:16

will continue to share the home for the time being,

9:18

Ms. McCrae said, for now, a

9:20

photo of the couple in Times Square on New Year's

9:23

Eve still greets visitors, which may

9:25

come to include suitors.

9:27

Ms. McCrae asked dryly if their

9:30

phone numbers could be included in the newspaper.

9:32

Can I put a picture from the gym

9:34

in there? Mr. Glasio asked.

9:36

He added that he was not a believer in online

9:38

dating. As the conversation

9:41

neared its end, the former mayor pulled

9:43

out his phone to play a song called Mango,

9:46

saying it might best explain their feelings now.

9:49

Quote, I don't want nothing but

9:51

you. It went getting what you need.

9:53

Even if it ain't from me,

9:55

Mr. de Blasio hummed a bit from his chair.

9:58

Ms. McCrae danced behind.

9:59

him gazing ahead.

10:02

Isn't that beautiful, he said.

10:05

That is quite literally how the article ends. Isn't that beautiful?

10:08

Oh my gosh, we are separated.

10:10

We're gonna date other people. She's probably gonna dive

10:12

back into being elected. We love each other so

10:14

much that we're consciously

10:17

uncoupling and we're gonna share this

10:19

home. And our modern failure relationship

10:22

is now becoming even more modern. And

10:25

it's just absolute

10:27

journalistic failure. And we have no integrity

10:29

in this piece because there is just

10:31

no such thing as actually calling something

10:34

what it is anymore, right? They will constantly

10:36

try to glamorize these things. In

10:38

reality, this person should have written the article and welcomed

10:41

her to their home and commented on how strange

10:43

this dynamic is. They should have prodded further

10:45

about, you know, why aren't you

10:47

going to leave the home? Isn't

10:49

it bizarre to have your children

10:52

come home with the full understanding

10:54

that their parents are seeing other people? Is

10:57

that healthy for your child? Speaking of your

10:59

child, didn't your child get arrested at a BLM

11:01

protest, right? Then we learned some

11:03

things about, how do you deal with that?

11:06

Do you think that part of the reasons that your

11:08

child seems to be suffering is because

11:10

of the dynamic between your unhealthy modern

11:13

love type relationship, which is now going to

11:15

continue in this part slope apartment?

11:17

No, that would be a person that had journalistic

11:20

integrity, which Matt Flagenheimer does

11:22

not. In fact, what he has

11:25

is a task set before him as

11:27

a person that writes for the New York Times to continue to

11:30

make this seem like it's something

11:33

that people should wish to attain, to make the reader

11:35

walk away and think,

11:36

isn't that beautiful?

11:39

Well, no, to answer your question,

11:41

Bill de Blasio, it's not beautiful.

11:43

It's ugly, it's horrendous. Everything

11:45

that relationships have become in

11:48

terms of their cultural and

11:50

Hollywood significant depictions

11:53

is something that no one should aspire

11:55

to. It is the reason that so

11:57

many women and men are unhappy.

11:59

happy in relationships. It's the

12:02

reason why people can't come up to answers to

12:04

why their relationships are failing. They don't understand what relationships

12:06

are failing. It's because they don't even know what

12:08

it means to come together in a marriage, right?

12:11

Marriages are not meant to be experiments,

12:13

right? It's not, wow, wouldn't

12:15

it be different if I married somebody

12:18

who was a lesbian? Let me try that out and see how

12:20

it works out. That's not taking

12:23

what's before you seriously. That's not taking your vows

12:25

seriously. That's not actually choosing the

12:28

right partner for yourself. That's

12:30

not acknowledging all the red flags and

12:32

all of the indications that should make it obvious to

12:34

you that it's not going to work down

12:36

the line. What this should be

12:38

and what this article is to me when

12:40

I read it is a major

12:43

win in the Department of Traditional Marriage, right?

12:46

It should read, if you are an intelligent person and you are reading

12:48

this, you would understand that you are

12:50

being sold propaganda and

12:52

that obviously this is nothing but a remarkable

12:55

failure on behalf of Bill de Blasio, almost

12:58

as big of a failure, a bigger failure in his presidential

13:00

campaign, I would argue, but it should

13:03

signal to you that these sorts of arrangements

13:05

don't work out and that maybe

13:08

you should take into serious consideration what

13:10

it is that conservatives are speaking about, what it is that

13:12

Christians are speaking about, why it is outrageous

13:15

that marriage was even taken outside of the church because

13:18

vows mean something. Picking the right

13:20

partner means something and there's no

13:22

way that a column in modern love or

13:24

a poorly written article should

13:27

stop you from seeing that, you know?

13:30

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Okay, now it's time for some topics du jour.

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Okay, speaking of modern love, you are going to

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have to indulge me, fellas, for one second.

14:59

Actually, if you have a girlfriend or wife, you've probably already heard

15:01

her talking about this cultural story because

15:04

it's just been so compelling.

15:07

For anybody that is familiar with the couple,

15:09

Kyle Richards and Mauricio Umansky,

15:12

who appeared 13 years ago, have

15:14

been consistent Bravo

15:16

celebrities from the Real Housewives franchise out

15:18

of Beverly Hills. And the reason why it's a compelling

15:21

story to talk about is not because you should go watch Real

15:23

Housewives of Beverly Hills. I certainly don't.

15:25

I did, obviously, many years ago. But

15:28

because they have been an unusual couple

15:30

in that, first and foremost, it's very rare to come across

15:33

anybody today, which is sad to say this, that has been

15:35

together for more than 15 years, right? We live

15:37

in a different time. Couples are separating

15:39

all the time. It's even more unique

15:42

to meet a couple that has been together for

15:44

more than 15 years that is on

15:46

a reality TV show. You just

15:48

want to root for them to make it the

15:50

entire way, and you would assume. But after 27

15:53

years of being married, that

15:56

Kyle Richards and Mauricio Umansky would

15:58

not split.

15:59

a lot of drama pertaining to the

16:02

split that I want to talk about because we are

16:04

specifically talking about modern love today. And

16:06

this, as I said, completely shocked me. I'll tell you why

16:08

it shocked me.

16:10

Now a lot of times you think that what you see

16:12

on TV is not what you see in person.

16:14

So they have been remarkably loved up and loving

16:16

toward another. Very adoring. They

16:18

have a huge family, three daughters, uh, actually

16:21

four daughters. She has one daughter from a prior relationship

16:23

and then together, but they have three

16:25

daughters and they are very,

16:27

very loving on screen. At least when I watched

16:29

it, they were, but I actually

16:32

happened to run into this couple in real life. They

16:34

probably had no idea who I was. That notorious

16:36

congressional testimony that I did where

16:39

it went completely viral,

16:40

where I was in front of Jared, not Jerry Nadler.

16:42

Well, I happened to take an overnight

16:45

flight, which is why I look so tired

16:47

during that testimony from Los Angeles

16:50

to Washington DC. And I was

16:52

sitting directly behind Kyle

16:54

and Mauricio. I was

16:55

like, Oh, there they are from her house wise. My husband obviously

16:58

had no idea who they were this entire

17:00

flight.

17:01

They were so loving to each other. I

17:03

mean, holding each other's hands for the full six

17:05

hours, kissing each other. He was

17:07

like gently stroking her face. And I just was

17:10

like,

17:10

wow, that is actually incredible

17:13

that you actually have a couple that is on TV

17:16

and it translates in real life. And they've been

17:18

married for 20 plus years and

17:20

they adore each other. And they were on, uh,

17:22

they were in route. I think we changed a couple of words

17:24

to their daughter's graduation. Their daughter attended

17:27

some school that was in DC and that's where they were headed. And I just thought

17:29

that's really beautiful. And that's amazing, which is why

17:31

I was doubly shocked by this announcement. Not

17:34

just that they had split, but that included

17:36

in the split was the fact that she had

17:38

began a lesbian relationship

17:41

with a country singer known as

17:43

Morgan Wade, who was a female. Like, I mean, obviously

17:45

I said a lesbian relationship is a female, a very butch

17:48

type female. Uh, and I thought

17:51

there's no way that this could be, but then

17:53

because I live in Nashville and Morgan Wade

17:55

is a country singer, people started saying, no,

17:58

this is, this is actually true. a

18:00

lesbian relationship with her and her and

18:02

Kyle Emansky have been split, so she wasn't

18:04

necessarily cheating on him, but

18:07

she is now at the age of

18:09

how old is she, 53 years old, jumping

18:11

into a lesbian relationship. And this is positively

18:14

heartbreaking to me, not because I have a vested

18:16

interest in their relationship, but

18:18

because I have a vested interest in the concept

18:20

of marriage. That's why. And this is

18:23

a rare example, a rare cultural example

18:25

since, you know, Real Housewives, the

18:27

franchise as a cult following

18:29

of a relationship

18:31

that has worked. As I said, a relationship that has worked,

18:33

you just don't want to see something fail. So

18:36

yes, it was reported that they have been

18:39

separated and that Morgan

18:41

Wade may have had a role in the breakup.

18:43

The two women have been attached at the

18:46

hip after meeting last year with Richard to

18:48

even going as Wade's date to

18:50

the Americana Music Awards in September

18:53

of 2022. Since then, they traveled the world together

18:55

visiting Mexico with friends and even going to Atlanta

18:58

to spend time with Morgan Wade's family.

19:00

Now, to be clear, Morgan Wade

19:01

is about 20

19:03

years younger than Kyle

19:06

Richards. So that's also

19:08

strange in my opinion.

19:10

If you thought that this was just a rumor, I

19:12

think the statement that Kyle and Mauricio issued

19:15

after this rumor went viral, all

19:17

but confirms that it's true in my view.

19:19

She wrote, they took their Instagram to write

19:21

this, in regards to the news that came

19:23

out about us today, any claims regarding

19:26

us divorcing are untrue. However,

19:28

yes, we have had a rough year, the

19:30

most challenging one of our marriage, but we both

19:33

love and respect each other tremendously. There

19:35

has been no wrongdoing on anyone's part.

19:38

Although we are in the public eye, we ask to be able

19:40

to work through our issues privately. While

19:42

it may be entertaining to speculate, please do not

19:45

create false stories to fit a further salacious

19:47

narrative. Thank you for the love and support Kyle

19:49

and Mauricio. I mean, I'll spare you all the details here,

19:51

but she never denied that she was in a lesbian relationship,

19:54

which should be obvious. The first thing you would do is say it's positively

19:57

ludicrous to suggest that I've been in a

19:59

lesbian relationship. with a country singer. Rather,

20:01

she just basically says, yes, we've had a rough year,

20:04

but we are not divorcing. Maybe that's the modern love

20:06

de Blasio. We're not divorcing. We're

20:08

going to still stay in the same house, but

20:11

live separate lives and date other people. Again,

20:14

I can't comment on

20:16

maybe they had agreed to separate,

20:19

and so therefore this does not actually to

20:21

them signify any infidelity. What

20:23

I can comment on is how

20:25

horrific it is for their family to go through this publicly,

20:28

how strange it is for a woman that

20:30

has been in a monogamous relationship

20:33

for almost 30 years to then

20:35

jump into a relationship

20:38

with a woman that's almost 20 years her

20:40

junior, and just the dynamic of jumping

20:42

into a lesbian relationship. It reads to me like a midlife

20:44

crisis. Obviously, if we

20:47

can make any predictions, it's not going to work out, but you

20:49

heard Morgan Wade, because modern love stories

20:52

rarely do in jumping into a lesbian relationship when

20:54

you are 53 years old after you have

20:56

raised beautiful children. If

20:57

there's not a red flag there, then

21:00

I don't know what a red flag is. All right,

21:02

guys, moving on to the story that I teased for you guys at

21:04

the top of the show, a surrogate

21:07

claiming that gay dads told her to

21:09

terminate the pregnancy at 24 weeks upon finding

21:12

out that she had an aggressive cancer,

21:14

and they barred her from having the baby

21:17

prematurely or putting it up for adoption

21:19

because they didn't want their DNA out there. Now, I

21:21

should say right off the top of this is that everything that

21:23

a gay couple is doing is well within their

21:26

contractual rights. But as

21:28

somebody who happens to be just

21:31

about 24 weeks pregnant, I'm 22 weeks

21:33

pregnant, and knowing what that

21:35

experience is like for a woman as you

21:37

can feel a child in a life kicking

21:40

inside of you, this is why I

21:42

have been beating the drum on the show

21:44

about the unethical

21:47

state of surrogacy today. These are things that nobody

21:49

wants to talk about because everybody wants to be sold the fluffy

21:51

version. You want to believe that it's women

21:53

that are struggling with fertility, who have

21:56

tried to have kids for 10 years who can

21:58

at last turn to science to be able to get their DNA out of you. give

22:00

them that one thing that they always wanted, right?

22:03

That's not what surrogacy has become.

22:05

I said strongly on my Twitter that

22:07

the industry is becoming demonic.

22:10

I actually recently learned of a woman

22:12

who shut down her clinic in California

22:15

because she started realizing that something was wrong

22:17

here. She wasn't seeing as the average

22:19

person a woman that was struggling to conceive one

22:21

child and turning the science to give

22:24

them that gift. Rather, what she was

22:26

seeing was gay men coming through the

22:28

door, listing what they wanted making

22:30

their demands and saying, I have enough money. Rather,

22:32

what they were seeing were people like Chrissy Teigen,

22:34

who already has three kids but always thought that she'd have

22:37

four and can afford to impregnate

22:39

a woman and want one more. Rather, what

22:41

they were seeing were couples with

22:43

an excess in money and wealth just

22:46

deciding what they wanted and what they were willing

22:48

to put a woman's body for through in order

22:50

to get their wants, not their needs,

22:53

not a desperate attempt. I

22:56

am seeing, I'm happy that

22:58

more and more of these examples are

23:01

coming into the public view because I really

23:03

do believe that people don't understand

23:06

what surrogates are going through. I'm

23:08

happy that more surrogates are speaking out. So yes, this

23:11

Californian mother claimed that she was told

23:13

to terminate her surrogate pregnancy at 24 weeks. Again,

23:16

to paint that picture for you, that means that she is feeling

23:18

the infant kick. She knows that this

23:20

infant, that attachment

23:23

that you feel to it, once you begin to feel those movements,

23:25

you begin to feel the personality

23:28

that is growing within you, as I did with my

23:30

children. But the gay fathers, after

23:33

realizing that she had just been diagnosed with breast cancer,

23:36

said, no, you have to terminate this pregnancy right

23:38

away. The woman who was speaking out, her name is Brittany

23:40

Pearson. She told the Daily Mail that she was

23:43

diagnosed with breast cancer in May at 22 weeks.

23:45

This could literally be something that happened to me

23:47

today. Says that after

23:50

a full body MRI revealed the

23:52

extent of the disease, the gay couple who were

23:54

paying her to carry their child used

23:56

legal threats to pressure her in determining

23:59

the pregnancy. I just want you to picture

24:01

that scenario. You are already putting

24:03

your body at risk. We know that it carries

24:06

with it, if you are a surrogate, a high

24:08

risk of going into preterm

24:10

labor because your body recognizes

24:12

that something isn't exactly right with this pregnancy.

24:15

And you already are carrying that risk.

24:18

You have just 16 weeks left. You

24:21

find out that you have breast cancer. You are dealing with the

24:23

trauma of realizing that you have breast cancer,

24:26

right? You're wondering if you're going to be able to survive breast

24:28

cancer. And typically in these circumstances,

24:30

when it is a mother and it is

24:33

their child in the womb and it is not a

24:35

gay person that is purchasing their womb,

24:38

they

24:39

keep going out with the pregnancy, of course, because your

24:41

instinct as a mother is to fight for

24:44

the life of your child. But

24:46

the womb is not hers.

24:48

It's been purchased by somebody. It's purchased by

24:50

two gay men. And they get to

24:53

dictate legally what's allowed to happen

24:55

because they inserted their embryo that

24:57

they paid for inside of her. So she, in this

24:59

circumstance, is just a body that

25:02

is being told what exactly she

25:04

needs to do. Her body has cancer. They

25:07

used legal threats to tell her, you

25:09

have to get rid of this. Initially, this

25:12

woman claims that the doctors at Sutter

25:14

Health Medical Center believe that she would be able

25:16

to have a form of chemotherapy

25:18

treatment that would be compatible with pregnancy and

25:20

would then be induced at 34 weeks

25:22

gestation. The prospective

25:25

fathers, who haven't been named, obviously,

25:27

in this article, were happy for her

25:29

to receive that treatment and continue with the pregnancy. However,

25:31

then they realized that her cancer had spread further than expected

25:34

that a more aggressive form of chemo

25:36

would be needed to combat it. That is

25:38

when the relationship between her

25:41

and their prospective parents broke down.

25:44

Again, once this becomes

25:46

a transaction, right, and

25:48

they're thinking, I don't really, that's not

25:50

healthy pregnancy for us and what we had envisioned,

25:53

it's very easy for them to say, you now need

25:55

to have that abortion right now. You need

25:57

to do that. That baby needs to come out of you right now.

26:00

Not easy, not something that any mother

26:02

who's carrying a child would ever even consider. They

26:04

would say, absolutely, of course, I'm going

26:06

to continue with this pregnancy, and I'm

26:08

going to go through chemo, and I'm going to do

26:11

everything to save my child. In fact, there have been circumstances

26:13

where the women have gone through without

26:15

doing chemo, and they died from

26:17

their cancer after giving birth to their child, because that

26:19

is how much, how attached you are

26:21

when you are growing with life inside you, but that is how removed

26:24

you are

26:25

when you are not. Well,

26:26

this is just a transaction for you. This is a horrific

26:29

story. They said that

26:31

they feared that the child would have considerable

26:34

health problems, so it was no big deal for

26:36

them to simply use legal threats to

26:38

get them to terminate the pregnancy

26:41

at 24 weeks. And

26:43

so she decided to speak out about this

26:45

experience because she never wants any individual

26:48

to ever go through this. And I'm glad that she is speaking

26:50

out about this experience because it's important

26:52

for people to really recognize

26:54

up close what surrogacy has

26:57

become, not its intention, but what it actually

27:00

has become. And as I said, it has become a play

27:02

thing for the rich who are completely

27:04

removed from what exactly a woman's

27:07

body is meant to go through, what exactly

27:09

they are sacrificing, because well,

27:11

they can afford to be removed from it.

27:14

All right, guys, on that note, let's jump

27:16

into some of your comments on episodes past.

27:18

Obviously, I spoke with Brett

27:21

about Chrissy Teigen's surrogacy and

27:23

how ridiculous I thought it was that she had three kids and

27:25

decided that she simply wanted more and put

27:27

a woman's body through this. Patty Miles

27:29

writes, Wow, I had no idea.

27:32

I was thinking the surrogate was just doing a favor

27:34

and of course getting paid, but didn't know it was an industry

27:36

now.

27:37

You are right about how it's unethical. Talking

27:39

about cases like the spoiled, selfish, rich

27:42

people, it's disgusting.

27:43

By the way, I love your show. Thank you for educating

27:45

some of us that are out of the loop. I will add to that

27:47

by the way that America, of course, is the most unethical

27:50

country when it comes to surrogacy. In other countries

27:52

in the UK, you can't decide on

27:55

the gender because then they say that people

27:57

will have abortions.

27:59

what they will do to achieve a gender

28:02

that they want is unethical. In South

28:04

Africa, as another example, you're

28:06

not allowed to pay the surrogate. That seems

28:08

pretty ethical. When money gets

28:10

involved, it becomes much

28:13

more corrupted. So, yes, you should know that

28:15

America is extreme on surrogacy just

28:18

as we are extreme when it comes to everything else.

28:20

The next comment reads, Hi, Candace, on a similar

28:23

note to the extra IVF babies. I

28:25

am the only child between my biological

28:27

mother and father. They

28:28

were divorced and remarried and went on

28:30

to both have more children besides me.

28:33

However, growing up, I struggled a lot with loneliness

28:36

and often wished for siblings who were going through

28:38

what I was. I know that while my parents

28:40

were together, my mother was on birth control and

28:42

often wondered if I do

28:44

have full-silled siblings in heaven that were fertilized

28:47

and would have been a healthy pregnancy if not for

28:49

the birth control. I will say my mother came

28:51

a long way since then converting to Catholicism when

28:53

I was born and deeply regrets things

28:55

like that from her earlier life.

28:57

Anyway, it's just another sad and moral question that shows

28:59

how disconnected our society is when it comes to the

29:01

morality of pregnancy and children. I love

29:03

your work. That's from Mandy, who is a

29:06

mother of six. And

29:08

that's obviously regarding the extra IVF babies. What

29:10

do you do with them? Do you donate them

29:12

to science so they can experiment on

29:15

your embryos? Or do you have

29:17

them destroyed? Do you put them inside

29:20

of you? Ethical questions for consideration.

29:23

Holly writes, I think it's true about the surrogacy

29:25

thing. My husband and I won't do IVF because

29:27

they discard the embryos that

29:29

have the wrong number of chromosomes.

29:32

And I wouldn't even consider surrogacy. But

29:34

it does make me feel really broken when she talks about the

29:36

hand off of the child because I think about

29:39

one day hoping to adopt. And I can't think of something more

29:41

beautiful than giving a baby to loving parents.

29:43

I've always wanted to be a mother. My husband and I are considering adopting.

29:46

And I think it's good to be careful about how you talk about

29:48

handing off a child from one person to another because adoption

29:51

is a beautiful thing. Now mothers can

29:53

mother their own children. And lots of people want to feel

29:55

called to motherhood more than anything else. We

29:58

were not talking about adoption, which I think is...

29:59

a lot different than

30:02

surrogacy because again, for me, the thing that

30:04

is so traumatizing about that immediate handoff

30:07

is the trauma that the mother experiences

30:09

right after you get birthed, your milk coming

30:12

in, for someone to take that child, even

30:14

in circumstances of adoption, I

30:16

don't think the right time is right after you get birthed. I

30:18

really don't. You cannot just

30:20

the second take the child away

30:22

and give it to another mother in a waiting

30:24

room. That mother needs something.

30:27

The baby needs something that is happening in

30:30

that moment. And I think that

30:32

any person that has given birth understands

30:34

that perhaps more than others can. And if you

30:37

have ever watched a birth, even

30:39

you can understand that what that moment

30:41

is like. It transcends,

30:45

it's almost spiritual. It's a spiritual moment.

30:48

And so I stand by my assessment

30:50

that it is deeply wrong. And even in circumstances

30:52

of adoption, there are ways to avoid that. All

30:54

right, guys, that is all the time that we have for

30:57

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