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pal Gemma Carsten-Smith. Gemma, thank you. As

1:15

always, how are you? Have you caught

1:18

your breath after the madness of yesterday?

1:21

I am not. I'm working on about two hours

1:23

of sleep, but I have made it back

1:25

to Vancouver. Oh, congrats. Win. Well done.

1:27

You hustled back. Thank you. I

1:29

did. I left my flight

1:32

out of Nashville. It was at 5 AM

1:34

Nashville time. Amazing. Which for those of you

1:36

at home is 3 AM Vancouver time.

1:38

So I've been up for a while. Are

1:40

you a good plane sleeper? I

1:43

usually am, but today was not a

1:45

good plane sleeping game. But you know

1:47

what? I

1:50

got to watch that really crazy

1:52

game in Nashville. So can I complain? No,

1:54

I really cannot. So you were there, obviously,

1:56

covering the game, and then you had a chance

1:58

to talk to the team. players, talk to

2:00

Rick Talkit after the game. Give me a

2:03

vibe check. What were the vibes after that

2:05

miraculous comeback in victory for the Canucks? Bewildered

2:08

a little bit. I don't know that

2:11

anyone really had, I

2:13

don't think it had fully sunken in, like

2:16

what just happened here. They know

2:18

that they stole one, right? The

2:21

Canucks were not the better team

2:23

for the majority of that game,

2:25

but the resilience

2:27

that this group

2:29

has shown all year is what we saw

2:31

at the end and that's what mattered, right?

2:35

You just got to make one more save than the other guys

2:37

and that's what happened. So it

2:39

was a wild affair.

2:41

I don't

2:45

usually like covering those games

2:47

because it's a big pain to rewrite

2:49

your entire story in the last five

2:51

minutes, but that was

2:53

actually a really fun one. And the

2:55

crowd was into it, everyone was into

2:58

it, and the

3:00

Canucks have worked hard this year, so it's good to see

3:02

them get the award a little bit. Well, it was

3:04

funny too because they tie it up and I

3:07

was at the Halpern and Brech watch party at the Hollywood

3:09

Theatre and I was there with a couple

3:12

of friends and it's going to overtime. I'm like, all

3:14

right, I'm going to be at another round of beers,

3:16

settle in here for the long haul, and then no,

3:18

actually just one minute in, a minute and two seconds

3:20

in and they finish the

3:22

smash and grab job. What

3:25

was your big takeaway from listening to head coach

3:27

and talking to head coach Rick Tockett after the

3:29

game? The

3:33

prevailing method was we can be excited about this one, but

3:35

we have to be better. And

3:37

I think that's true. Tockett wants

3:39

to see them a lot

3:42

stronger on the floor check and a

3:44

lot better through the neutral zone. And

3:46

I think that's absolutely for a critique.

3:49

We know that this is not a team that's been getting

3:51

enough shots on goal. And

3:53

if those shots

3:56

are going in the back of the net, does it

3:58

really matter? No. you're

4:00

not getting all of them in the back of the net. So

4:04

this team needs to be generating more

4:06

chances. They still need the players to come

4:08

alive. Brock Batcher was the absolute

4:10

hero yesterday. JC Miller was in on

4:12

all three of Brock's fours. When

4:15

you seem to emerge from

4:17

his team

4:21

induced, that's

4:24

the word I'm looking for. He was obviously

4:26

in a lot of pain. He's

4:29

been to weather it towards

4:31

the end of the third baron and get

4:33

a bit of a jump. So

4:35

we're seeing some of the big stars come out

4:37

to play, but we know

4:39

that there are still other faces

4:41

that need to pop and

4:46

find their own place

4:48

in this series. So I think those are

4:50

the messages that they still need guys to

4:53

come out and have a big game and they also need

4:56

to be better

4:59

going into game five tomorrow. Yeah, and you mentioned

5:01

Quinn Hughes, and I thought that was fascinating yesterday,

5:04

kind of summed up in a way

5:06

the whole game, right? Because he was so ineffective,

5:08

really a shadow of himself, of what he normally

5:10

is able to do. And we saw

5:12

the big double hit and he's in distress going

5:14

to the bench. And then the final

5:17

three minutes, he doesn't leave the ice. He

5:19

makes some phenomenal plays, including that incredible Deacon

5:22

Nyquist on the tying goal to set up

5:24

the tying goal. He looked like Quinn Hughes,

5:26

or like the real Quinn Hughes for

5:29

burst there at the end. And that was absolutely vital.

5:31

But as you mentioned, right,

5:33

the giveaways through the neutral zone, the

5:35

trouble breaking out, really, really noticeable yesterday.

5:38

And I think that contributes to not

5:41

getting in on the forecheck, not being able to

5:43

establish yourself in the offensive zone. But how much

5:45

of those problems, right, the breakout, the

5:47

neutral zone turnovers, are mostly,

5:50

or to what degree are they just, you

5:52

know, Quinn Hughes not being his normal, excellent

5:55

Quinn Hughes self? with

6:00

an injury. But

6:02

also a key, a team in

6:04

the Predators that has game

6:06

plan for with you.

6:09

Right? We knew going into the stairs that

6:11

they were getting game by for clean news.

6:14

The same way that the Canucks have game

6:16

plan to shut down Yossi and have done

6:18

that quite effectively through the first four games.

6:21

That said, they haven't found

6:23

a way to break Hughes out and they have

6:25

to because he is such a vital part of

6:27

the team and he's a vital part of the

6:29

offense as well. Right? And, and we saw what

6:33

happens last night. We saw what happens when

6:35

you can get him going in those situations.

6:37

So I think it's partially that they need

6:39

to find a way to help him and

6:42

partially that he needs a little bit of rest here. I

6:45

think that because of that, it

6:47

would be just lovely if they could get

6:50

a wind tomorrow and get him a little

6:52

bit of a RNR

6:55

heading into a potential second

6:57

round matchup. Yeah. Game five. Absolutely huge.

6:59

Nobody. I mean, I know Nashville is supposed to

7:01

be a lovely city. I've never been, but I've

7:03

only heard great things, but

7:05

nobody wants to make that trip back

7:08

to Nashville for a possible game six.

7:10

So a huge stakes for the Canucks

7:12

to try to close it out tomorrow.

7:14

What did you think of Archer Sheelov's

7:17

performance? And then also just, you know,

7:19

he seems to have this kind of

7:21

aura of, of calmness about him. Right.

7:23

And I know he's been through a

7:25

really high pressure situation representing his country

7:27

at the world championships and performed incredibly

7:29

well there, but it was pretty striking,

7:31

you know, hearing him talk after the

7:33

game, seeing his performance, just

7:35

how unrattled he seemed to be by

7:37

the, by the situation yesterday. Truly

7:40

incredible. I don't know how he does it because

7:42

I think I was like more

7:44

nervous about covering a game and not that I'm

7:47

like nervous to cover a game, but you know,

7:49

just like that anxiety of like being in, in

7:53

that atmosphere and the energy

7:55

of the rink and all that, it just

7:58

like you get the adrenaline moving. and

8:00

Gil pumped and like, that's

8:03

the technical term, by the way. But

8:05

he doesn't seem to be impacted by that

8:07

at all. He's like after the game,

8:09

he's just like, yep, I'm

8:11

good. Like it's actually bananas.

8:15

Kim is sitting in the locker room with a

8:17

literal ice pack on his head between periods. It's

8:19

something else. I think ice

8:22

may run in his name. Truly. That's

8:24

just how they do in Latvia, I guess.

8:26

But no, he he had a really strong

8:28

game yesterday. What I was impressed by was

8:31

the way when he stopped

8:33

pucks and they came loose

8:35

a little bit, he was on them right away.

8:37

His rebound control was was quite good. I thought

8:39

that he he had a

8:41

great performance for his first NHL

8:43

playoff game. That's excellent. And the

8:45

fact that he's only had four

8:48

appearances with with Vancouver this

8:51

season, I don't

8:53

think you could ask for much more of

8:55

him than than what you saw last

8:57

night. Well, and it's interesting because now

8:59

obviously the conversation turns to who did

9:01

they start in game five? And, you

9:03

know, after game two that Casey De Smith lost,

9:06

I don't think it was his fault at all,

9:08

even though he had some shaky moments in

9:10

that game. You know, there were a lot of fans

9:12

calling for, hey, go to Archer. She loves in game

9:14

three. And, you know, Dranton, I were talking and saying,

9:16

look, if you do that, it's going to be really

9:18

hard to go back to De Smith if you need

9:20

him at any point. Right. The fact that you're already

9:22

if you if you do that move, you're in a

9:25

sense giving up on De Smith after game one. And,

9:27

you know, you're basically riding with Shelabs at that point

9:30

to spin this into kind of a positive for the

9:32

Canucks. The fact that they were able to go to

9:34

Shelabs, right. But they had a very

9:36

legitimate reason in a De Smith injury. It

9:39

feels like their options are completely open now,

9:41

right? Like that they can easily go to

9:43

Shelabs or De Smith without, you know, offending

9:45

or damaging the confidence of the of either

9:47

one and still having both guys available going

9:49

forward. What do you think they will do?

9:51

What do you think they should do going

9:53

into game five? Are

9:55

you telling me there's a goalie controversy

9:58

in Vancouver? Quickly

10:00

never so quickly to you like as soon as

10:02

she loves gets promoted to backup goal. Oh, you

10:04

should go in you should go in Yeah, it's

10:07

it's this market is so funny.

10:09

I love it Yeah,

10:11

I think What

10:14

I was saying to a reporter in Nashville the other day

10:16

or yesterday, I guess all of the days are running together

10:19

and the difference between She

10:23

loves top level and dismissed top level

10:25

is not massive So you if you

10:27

have dismissed playing at like an 80%

10:30

or you have a fully healthy she loves Then

10:33

go with she loves right just because

10:37

You're probably gonna get about the same, right?

10:40

so I think the question really

10:42

is how what is ailing Casey

10:44

dismissed and How

10:47

close to 100% is I

10:50

think that if he is closer to

10:52

100% and he was yesterday You

10:55

go with dismiss just because he does

10:57

have that veteran presence. He He

11:00

has been in this situation. He's now got

11:02

three playoff games as opposed to she loves

11:04

one playoff game but he also

11:07

he was great in

11:10

Game three, I thought

11:12

I thought he had a great game I

11:14

like you said I thought that game two was

11:16

not his fault I think

11:18

that if you can ride dismiss you do

11:21

but to have she loves as your Alternative

11:25

is what an excellent problem to

11:27

have this is not if

11:29

you had said The

11:32

third string bully is going to come in

11:34

in in game four I think

11:36

this market would have gone bananas and To

11:39

have it work out this way is is the

11:41

best case scenario There

11:44

this connects team is only the second

11:47

team in NHL history to do this to

11:49

get Their first three

11:51

wins of a series with three different goalies and the

11:53

first team to do it was also the Canucks back

11:55

in 2004

11:58

and I believe they're the first team even since that

12:00

connects team to even start three goalies

12:02

in a playoff series which is remarkable

12:04

and Gemma and I mentioned this earlier

12:06

but they've set an NHL record for

12:08

fewest shots on goal through the first

12:10

four games of a series both of

12:12

those stats are true and yet they

12:14

lead 3-1 it is absolutely ridiculous how

12:16

this series has played out and you

12:18

know a big part of the reason

12:20

why they lead 3-1 is Brock Besser

12:22

who records the hat trick two late

12:25

goals just phenomenal efforts I mean especially

12:27

on that tying goal the persistence the

12:29

second effort the angle he finishes it

12:31

from this is a I don't want

12:33

to say star making performance for Brock

12:35

Besser because you know he had the

12:37

40 goals but of all for all

12:39

the twists and turns that Brock Besser's

12:41

career arc has taken in Vancouver like

12:44

this is the moment that people are waiting for for

12:46

Brock Besser to be in a big moment for the

12:48

Canucks a playoff series and show that he can be

12:50

a game breaker but he can be a difference maker

12:52

for them. What an

12:54

incredible story like he has been this

12:57

season like from opening night all the

12:59

way through I am here

13:01

for the Brock Besser redemption tour and we

13:03

have seen it yeah so I am I'm

13:05

so happy for him this

13:08

has been a long time coming this is truly

13:10

a guy who has put in the work and

13:13

is reaching his potential

13:15

and couldn't happen to

13:17

a nicer kid honestly so here

13:20

for it like I said he's put in the work

13:22

he worked really hard this this offseason

13:25

he changed his workout routine he's

13:28

done a lot of what

13:31

the staff here in Vancouver have asked of

13:33

him and you're seeing it

13:35

pay off this is what happens right you

13:38

find them the right teammates you've

13:40

got such a good chemistry with Miller the way

13:42

that they've worked off each other and I think

13:44

you saw last night there's a reason that they

13:46

combined on all three of those goals right they

13:48

work so well together and I think

13:51

that if they

13:53

can continue this performance through the

13:55

rest of the playoffs then

13:57

we're gonna have a real good run Okay,

14:01

on the negative side of things,

14:03

Elias Pederson's play continues to be

14:05

a talking point. I know

14:07

Rick Dollywall mentioning earlier today that he's

14:09

hearing Pederson is dealing with something banged

14:11

up. Now that's not a surprise. We

14:13

can all see how his game looks

14:15

right now. It's kind of something you

14:17

might expect to hear. But on

14:19

the other hand, I don't want to sound like

14:22

a sports radio cliché here, but if you're on

14:24

the ice during the playoffs, this time of year

14:27

is about finding a way to be effective, finding

14:29

a way to help your team, even when

14:31

you're dealing with some bumps

14:33

and bruises. We saw that again with Quinn Hughes

14:35

last night, right? The way he's able to kind

14:37

of dig down and find those moments. What

14:41

can the Canucks do short of just keep

14:43

giving him his minutes and keep hoping that

14:45

he breaks out of it with

14:48

Elias Pederson right now? Yeah,

14:50

I think that's really it. Keep giving

14:52

him his minutes and hope that he

14:54

breaks out. It's not so like

14:57

you're almost throwing your hands up in the air like, Oh, what more

15:00

can we do here? But honestly, like

15:02

they've tried different line combinations. They've

15:04

tried all sorts of stuff and

15:06

it's just not working. So

15:10

again, maybe some

15:13

time off would help probably. Yeah,

15:16

I'm a recent. I

15:18

would be stunned if he's not dealing with something, but I

15:20

think that you could take a little mental break as well.

15:22

I think that a large

15:24

part of this for Pederson is mental.

15:28

You're seeing him lose confidence almost in real

15:30

time. The way that he's having like the

15:32

puck is completely different. The way that he's

15:35

hesitating on shot. And that's you

15:37

can't be having that at this point. This

15:39

is big boy hockey. And to

15:41

have those hesitations, you're going to get bumped off

15:43

the puck. You're going to get stripped. You're going

15:45

to get shut down. And

15:47

you've seen the predators shut Pederson

15:49

down. He came into the

15:52

series with a little bit of a lack

15:54

of confidence and it's just that

15:56

whole has gotten deeper and deeper as the series has

15:58

worn on. comes down

16:00

to, I mean you've already seen him basically

16:02

de facto demoted to third line center, right?

16:04

With obviously Miller being the first guy and

16:07

then really Lindholm has become the second line

16:09

center. And you know with the way Miller

16:11

and Besser are playing and how Puse Souter

16:13

has complimented them and the Lindholm line has

16:16

done it in moments. Obviously the OT winner,

16:18

the big Joshua goal, I don't know that

16:20

they've been super consistently effective but I think

16:22

there's still something there you can build on.

16:24

I just don't know how much juggling you

16:27

can afford to do to get

16:29

Pederson going. I think you know what I mean?

16:31

You've got to keep those two lines which have been

16:33

effective together and just kind of cross your fingers with

16:35

Pederson. Yeah, exactly.

16:39

I don't have an answer. If I did I'd probably be making

16:41

a lot more money. But

16:43

that's the thing. You've only got

16:45

so much wiggle room in the

16:47

playoffs. This is not a time to be experimenting.

16:50

The time to be experimenting was in the regular

16:52

season and there were times when you

16:54

saw him find his pop

16:57

gear. So he needs to find it

16:59

now. It has to be a little bit more on

17:02

him and all the coaching staff can do

17:04

is keep doing what they've been doing. So

17:08

personally I'd keep them all in the

17:10

power play. I'd try and just like

17:12

a bad cramp. You just have

17:14

to work it out here. By

17:16

the way, Gemma, before I let you go

17:18

here, I've got to ask you what's the

17:21

Nashville Predators car flag situation? You

17:23

know what? I forgot to tweet about this. I

17:25

only saw one car with

17:29

car flags while I was in Nashville

17:31

and it was right outside the rink.

17:33

Nashville, their fans

17:36

do not mess around but they

17:39

are also not. They're my people because they

17:41

are not fans of car flags. So I'm

17:44

into it. Every time we have you

17:46

on now we get people texting in.

17:48

May you please tell Gemma that car

17:50

flags are out in full force. Also

17:52

I saw a car sporting four car

17:54

flags and two large door magnets. So

17:57

door magnets are the next big thing

17:59

in Paris. Oh my gosh. I can't

18:01

even. The next thing for you to be annoyed

18:03

by. Alright, thank you Gemma.

18:05

Always appreciate it and congrats

18:07

on making it back to Vancouver. We'll talk again soon. Thanks

18:10

so much. Have a great day. That is

18:13

Gemma Carson Smith covering the team for the

18:15

Canadian Press and weighing in on just what

18:17

it was like to be there and talk

18:19

to the team. If you use the word

18:21

describing the emotional response from the team afterwards,

18:24

bewildered. I think that kind of sums

18:26

up my perspective in a lot

18:28

of ways, or at least by in the moment,

18:30

perspective, right? Like, I tweeted it after the game.

18:33

I just couldn't stop laughing. I was like,

18:35

how did that happen? It was one of

18:37

the funniest results. I mean, incredible.

18:40

And this incredible emotional high, but also stepping

18:42

back. Just one of the funniest results,

18:45

sequences I've seen in

18:47

a hockey game in a long, long

18:50

time. So bewildered, I think kind of sums

18:52

it up pretty well

18:54

here. 650,

18:56

650 is the Dunbar lumber text

18:59

line. Terry Y. Texson

19:01

Hughes' performance last night epitomizes the

19:03

team's embrace the pain rhetoric. If

19:06

you read his lips while he was on the

19:08

bench, regrouping from that big sandwich hit, he melts

19:10

the words, I'm okay. It's not clear if he

19:12

was speaking to anyone or just talking to himself,

19:14

but his actions leading to the tying goal embodies

19:16

the motto. I think that's a good point, right?

19:20

Obviously, Quinn Hughes is nowhere close to

19:22

100%, nowhere close to peak physical condition

19:24

right now. We all saw it. And

19:27

yet, as Terry says, still able to

19:29

play through the pain and

19:31

make those types of plays late

19:34

in that game to help the team

19:36

get the win. Lots

19:38

of people texting in here about Elias Pedersen, this one,

19:40

it's time to bench Pedersen for a game and put

19:42

in Podkolzen. They're

19:44

not benching Pedersen right now. The

19:47

injury thing is fascinating. And again, Rick

19:49

Dollywall earlier today reporting, he's hearing that

19:51

PD is dealing with something, but also

19:54

saying that it wasn't necessarily anything major.

19:57

So who knows the degree to which

19:59

it's affecting him. He's

20:03

in the lineup. They haven't given really

20:05

any indication that they're going to

20:07

take him out of the lineup. I don't think

20:10

that's realistic unless the injury gets significantly worse. And

20:13

in terms of reducing his role, that's happened. As

20:15

I said to Gemma, he's the third line center right

20:17

now. The first two lines are the Miller

20:20

line and the Lindholm line. And

20:23

I don't know how far the Canucks can go with

20:25

those two as your first two lines and not getting

20:28

anything from Elias Pedersen, who

20:30

by the way, I don't think even had a shot attempt at

20:33

five on five last night, which

20:36

is obviously just, you know, that sums it up right

20:38

there. That's not

20:40

what you need from Elias Pedersen.

20:43

I don't know how far they can go with this.

20:46

I do think they can beat Nashville. I think they can beat

20:48

Nashville tomorrow with Miller

20:50

and Lindholm as your top two centers. And

20:52

you know, Elias Pedersen is basically a wild

20:54

card or a mystery box on

20:56

the third line. And I think that's the

20:59

play right now, right? And if you're Nashville and

21:02

you're, you know, trying to control the matchup game

21:04

as much as you can on the road tomorrow,

21:07

well, the two lines that you're prioritizing, number one,

21:09

it's JT Miller and Brock Besser because they've been

21:11

the line that's doing the damage. They've been the

21:13

line that looks consistently dangerous. Number

21:15

two is probably Lindholm, Garland and Joshua, because while

21:18

it hasn't been their shift by shift, you still

21:20

see what they can do when they do get

21:22

the puck below the goal line and Garland gets

21:24

onto it. He's a really dangerous playmaker

21:27

from that spot. He can

21:29

make you pay. So you got to have that

21:31

line second. And then it's like, okay, well, we'll

21:33

put, you know, we'll try to win that matchup

21:35

of Elias Pedersen with Colton

21:37

Sizzons and Jason Zucker and Anthony Beauvillier, which

21:40

they've been doing. But

21:42

again, if those are the minutes and

21:44

that's the matchup that Elias Pedersen is consistently getting,

21:46

I don't think you can ask for much more

21:48

in terms of good

21:51

spots for Elias Pedersen if you're the Canucks. And

21:54

we can have the line make conversation. Again,

21:56

I don't see a lot of sense to juggling things

21:58

right now. the two lines

22:00

that have at least looked good in moments

22:03

in this series together. I

22:05

know we have people texting in saying move Hoe-Glander up

22:07

with Miller Ambassador drop pew suitor

22:10

down I don't know what that's gonna do to get

22:12

PD going and I

22:14

don't think you need to get Miller and Besser going any

22:16

more than they already are in this series

22:18

so I think you take that kind

22:20

of soft matchup you keep him with

22:22

Hoe-Glander you try to

22:24

get him those offensive zone starts

22:26

and you basically wait

22:29

for him to play himself out of it because that's what

22:31

this is gonna take he's

22:33

too talented to keep playing like this for

22:36

a long stretch depending on the

22:38

injury factor and he got

22:41

he's got to find his way out of it here

22:43

for the Canucks to go on a long playoff run.

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22:56

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22:58

series sure his save percentage isn't great but

23:00

the Preds are giving up a lot of

23:02

great A's well I wouldn't say the Preds

23:04

are giving up a lot of great A's they're ending

23:06

up in the back of the net but I don't think this is

23:09

on Sorrows whatsoever yeah has saved

23:11

percentage is bad his save percentage is

23:13

bad there's no doubt about that but

23:16

how many of those goals yesterday do you fault him

23:18

on like the the Preds defense got carved up in

23:20

front of him in all three of the on all

23:22

four of those goals now

23:24

is it possible to make saves on some

23:26

of them sure they're not like no chance

23:28

there's necessarily although

23:31

on the best or three two goal I mean he

23:33

comes very very close goes off his skate I think

23:35

he almost makes a miraculous save on

23:37

that one but the problem with

23:39

any of those goals it's not on Sorrows it's

23:41

on the defensive breakdowns that are happening in front

23:43

of him to produce those chances

23:46

so the Canucks need to generate more would

23:49

you love to see a save or two sprinkled in there for

23:51

Sorrows if you're a Preds fan sure but I don't think they

23:53

can put that on Sorrows I mean

23:55

I think of anything we're talking about the defensive breakdowns

23:57

in big moments but also like take

23:59

your chances When you got a team reeling on

24:02

the ropes, like you had the Canucks in the

24:04

third period, don't let them hang around. Don't leave

24:06

the door a sliver open for them

24:09

to make a miraculous comeback. Leave

24:11

no doubt. And the Preds

24:13

did not do that. They were not able to

24:15

do that against the Canucks last night. I think

24:17

that's the biggest problem. That lack of killer instinct

24:19

for the National Predators is what could come

24:22

back to haunt them. Okay, we'll take

24:24

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tons of thoughts coming in After

26:40

that incredible game for comeback victory

26:43

for the Canucks last night

26:45

or yesterday afternoon I should say in Nashville,

26:47

but first it was a travel day for

26:49

the team But Rick talk it still had

26:51

a chance to catch up with the media

26:53

here is Canucks head coach Rick talk it

26:56

Well, it's like I said, you know after

26:58

the game you got to give the guys a lot of

27:00

credit really resilient obviously We

27:02

know and this even as a coach. I don't have to

27:05

tell them obviously our game. We got has to get better.

27:07

I mean You

27:09

know the players have already said it. So that's

27:11

that's great, but the resilience of the group all

27:13

year I mean, that's a yeah, that's

27:16

a tough game to come back from and

27:18

you know Obviously the

27:21

the last three minutes and overtime went our way So

27:25

can we build off it? Yeah,

27:40

I don't see this uh You know

27:43

the the one thing is we're hanging

27:45

our hand on is We're kind

27:47

of hanging there defensively like that You know our

27:49

diesel coverage is pretty pretty damn good all year

27:52

and that's our fabric We fought when we're

27:54

not playing well, we can fall back on that try

27:56

to limit some some of the chances I

27:58

think offensively had some It's in our

28:00

head right now because they are pressure in us And

28:04

I for whatever reason we have some guys It's

28:07

freezing guys instead of like go after it.

28:09

There's a storm there go after the storm

28:11

You don't don't run away from it. So

28:14

they're they're they're bringing three and three in

28:16

the pile. They're bringing three everywhere You

28:19

have to think quicker you can move your feet quicker

28:21

and you gotta be more decisive with the pocket I

28:23

think we do that you're gonna get your chances, but

28:26

You know and I'll be honest and you know, I'm not gonna

28:28

I'm not picking on players But I only takes

28:30

three or four players playing a little

28:32

bit slow mentally with our

28:34

their feet to kind of To

28:36

make the five-man unit do the same. So

28:38

I think we got to get You

28:41

know, we got to get some guys to think a little quicker and

28:43

move their feet Well,

28:52

first of all the you got to give the organization

28:54

to the goaltending depth Even

28:57

the other guy I hear he's you know, I don't know much

28:59

of him. He's supposed to be good. You know, trust me I

29:02

don't want to put him in That's

29:04

not what I'm saying. Say the goaltending the

29:06

goaltending depth here With

29:08

the Canucks is outstanding and then you

29:11

know, you got to give credit to tall You

29:13

know organization Ian Clark and stuff, you know having

29:15

guys ready to go But

29:17

yeah, I just felt that even

29:20

when I told he told already the day before you're

29:22

gonna play I mean it

29:24

was like I didn't see it too much nervousness, you

29:27

know And he I think he'd mentioned you guys about

29:29

being playing that laugh the world championship where he had

29:31

the whole country on his On his

29:33

back. So, you know, he's been there

29:35

before in certain scenes Well,

29:42

it's it's it goes by our we'll

29:44

see how you know Casey

29:46

is today You know,

29:48

so we're not making a decision at

29:50

this moment. Plants are all about adjustments

29:52

Rick How much is it a collective

29:54

thing and how much falls on Quinn

29:56

individually to? Maybe pick

29:58

his spots better. I know he's a play off

30:00

movies by getting a tremendous amount of

30:02

protection. Yeah, and it should

30:04

be because he's one

30:07

of the best defense, one of the best players in the league,

30:09

so he's going to get it. Yeah, there's a few adjustments that

30:11

he has to do for sure. But I

30:13

mean, that last three minutes, I mean, the

30:16

way he turned on a dime to keep, you know,

30:18

I mean, he knows that he's got it. So

30:20

I think it's a couple adjustments here, and then we can help

30:22

him too. We got to get in front of people. We can't

30:24

just let people hit him. We got to get in

30:26

front of people. And I think if we

30:28

have the puck a little bit more, probably

30:31

he probably won't get as much. I mean, he's a

30:33

meat in the sandwich early. He comes to the bench,

30:35

he's doubled over, misses his shift, but then he does

30:37

what he does at the end. Is there a new

30:39

level of respect for

30:41

him from your perspective? I mean, I've seen him

30:43

get hit a lot this year. Not a ton,

30:45

but some really crunching. I've seen him come to

30:47

the bench wincing. Just one thing you're down and

30:50

out, he's back up. Like, you know, he'll

30:52

be walking around the next day, no big deal around town.

30:54

He's just a tough kid. He

30:57

really is. He can take a hit. And

30:59

I think that was huge being the captain,

31:02

taking those licks. And then at the end,

31:04

they're coming up with some big plays for

31:06

us. But that's leadership for me. You've kept

31:08

your lines intact relatively throughout the series. Has

31:11

it been a lot of scoring chances for you on the

31:13

football season since the year when you were

31:16

on that? Well, yeah. I mean,

31:18

we've thought about maybe moving a piece

31:20

here and there, but I

31:22

think we just got to, it's

31:24

not tactical stuff. It's just good

31:26

old fashioned, winning some battles, moving

31:29

your feet. There's options there.

31:31

I don't know, maybe shuffle the guy here,

31:33

maybe down the road, maybe in game, maybe.

31:36

But I thought JT's line, for

31:38

the most part, the series, they've

31:40

done a nice job. Lindholm's line's

31:42

been done well. I

31:45

thought Teddy's line, I think, has been

31:48

pretty good, the series. And I think Pease's line,

31:50

I think they're going to come. So I'm not

31:52

sure shuffle and the chairs on the deck is

31:54

the right thing to do right now. With RD,

31:56

is there something that stands out about, I mean,

31:58

steps into such a cost? spot. There's

32:00

something about him that stands out that helped

32:02

him succeed yesterday. I think he's

32:04

a quiet kid, but he's got some

32:07

swagger in him. I don't know just the way he is. I don't

32:09

talk to him too much. I

32:11

don't know him really well, to be honest with you. But

32:13

I just watch him. He just kind of, he's got

32:15

the ball in his hand. He's playing wall ball with

32:17

his hands for his eye. He just

32:19

goes, he's in our meetings, out of our meetings. I

32:21

don't know what he does. I mean, I don't know,

32:23

but he's just got that. I

32:26

don't know. It's hard to explain. He's just ready. He's just

32:28

ready. Yeah. He said, you heard him. He

32:30

said, ready to shine. That was kind of fun to

32:32

hear him say that. Have you seen the ice pack

32:34

on top of his head in the Olympics? He just

32:37

said something to stop him. No, I haven't seen

32:39

it. No, no. Like I said,

32:41

I'm a guy that stays away from the goalies. The

32:45

goalies like to, I don't like, I'll talk

32:47

the forwards in defense, but not goalies. Play

32:49

off history, Lotta. You don't want to let a team off a

32:51

map. I'm sure you played the game, you've coached it. Does

32:54

that add more incentive to more

32:56

nights? You don't want to let those guys

32:58

off them. Well, from experience, game fives are

33:00

hard close-out games, for

33:02

whatever reason. And

33:05

I feel more comfortable going

33:07

into tomorrow's game, because we had

33:10

an average game, let's face it. And if we

33:12

played really, really well, a great game, I'd probably

33:14

be a little bit more nervous tomorrow. But

33:16

I don't feel nervous. I think we're going to be ready tomorrow

33:18

to play. A lot

33:21

better than we did last game. And I think that's a good thing. Do

33:23

you find that you're getting more games who are

33:25

getting it in the fight mode? Do you still

33:27

find it up in the free ball for you? No.

33:30

So is it free for us? I think we're starting to see

33:32

guys from the back and forth who are

33:34

standing there with no way for their support. Yeah,

33:36

for me, the pillars, obviously, are go-tending. But to me,

33:38

it's Zee Meyers. Suzy

33:41

Cole's been a monster for it.

33:44

Those guys stand out. Obviously, on certain

33:46

times, he's made some big plays for

33:49

us. Like, I feel those

33:52

big guys have really kind

33:54

of are pillars in this series. I think,

33:57

even when they were coming at us, holding

34:00

the fort in front and I got to give those

34:02

guys a lot of credit. Reporter- Would you like

34:04

to see Alias shoot the puck more because when

34:07

he attacked, we saw

34:09

what he did, there's still something

34:11

there that just seems like we're waiting for him

34:13

to come back. Alias- Yeah, I think

34:15

everyone wants the shot. We all want the

34:17

shot. I just think, you know, if there's

34:19

one thing, you know, we were talking today,

34:22

one thing that he's thinking too much about,

34:24

all these different things, just think about

34:26

moving your feet. If he moves

34:29

his feet, everything will organically

34:31

come. And that's, you know,

34:33

watch, you know, we're going to watch some tape tomorrow, but watch,

34:36

you know, watch like McKinnon tonight or if

34:38

they're playing tonight or watch McDavid. They move

34:40

their feet constantly. There are threats everywhere. And

34:42

if you move your feet, especially against a

34:44

team like Nashville, because if you don't move

34:47

your feet, they're going to be on you

34:49

quick. But if you can get out of

34:51

those, and then those options will open up,

34:54

it's just a mindset. It's just a one thing. I

34:56

don't think he should be thinking of 10 things tomorrow. Alias- I have

34:58

time. You know, what the mood is like,

35:00

you know, on the playing field. Too much

35:03

turbulence you guys are doing. Roughly. Alias-

35:05

Yeah, it was bad. Yeah. Alias- What was

35:07

the sense- So we're used to

35:09

that stuff. the

35:12

dresser heading up overtime because you

35:15

need to look like you guys small point.

35:18

Alias- Yeah, I think we're like, hey, man, like

35:21

let's like, we can come out

35:23

of this with a win. I

35:25

just felt like calm. Even

35:27

if like you guys were happy, we wanted every high five,

35:29

but five minutes later, you know, guys

35:31

are going on the plane. It was like,

35:34

guys are like, they're back to earth. I saw what

35:36

I love about this team. Nobody's like, I didn't, there's

35:38

no music going. Guys are cheering and stuff. It was

35:40

like instant. Yes. You know,

35:42

resiliency, good job. But it's like, all right, how do

35:44

we get better? That's what

35:46

I really respect about this team. All year

35:48

they've given me that attitude. I

35:51

don't see a cockiness from this team or a satisfied.

35:55

I know, I know there's guys that say to themselves, I

35:57

got to play better. I like that. It's

35:59

not like they're blaming anybody. else. I need

36:01

a different line made or this guy didn't give me the

36:03

puck. I don't hear that stuff and that's that's

36:06

a good thing for us. What about Lin home

36:08

and Miller were monsters in the circle last night?

36:11

Yeah very rarely gonna beat Lin home

36:14

back about how like he's just yeah

36:16

he's a monster JT when

36:18

you know you're going against O'Reilly one the best and

36:20

you know some nights you're gonna it's gonna be yours

36:22

and his but I thought those two guys

36:24

were great in the dots. Rick you talked

36:26

a little bit about those bigger defense men and

36:28

you see all the big kids but you talk

36:31

about physicality a little bit different. What are you

36:33

liking from those guys in the physical player they're

36:35

playing aside from those big kids that we see?

36:37

Well there's sticks in the middle of the eye.

36:39

They're interior the way they defend interior the interior.

36:42

Nash was one of the better teams of getting those pucks

36:44

behind in front they get a lot of goals this year.

36:47

Thought we've limited that so

36:49

they we've had some really good sticks getting

36:53

in the way of people I

36:55

thought you know as much as they're getting

36:57

some good you know they're off the

36:59

rush lot we're trying to keep them to the outside

37:01

and I think that's because of those four guys are

37:03

the big guys they're keeping them on the outside I

37:05

really do. When we asked Tyler about physicality he brought

37:07

up a reach like that's something that him and his

37:10

specific pairing is so well like when you're talking about breaking

37:12

up things in the center of the ice how important

37:14

is it also just like breaking up a flight a

37:17

cycle in the corner when you have that reach he said you don't even have

37:19

to move that

37:21

one as long as you have that reach. Well the advantage of the big guy if you get

37:24

beat real quickly somehow that

37:26

stick is another defender

37:28

right? Smaller

37:30

D you get beat you know you

37:32

get they don't have that extra six seven inches like

37:34

Myers you can beat him on the corner but somehow

37:36

he gets a stick on the puck and saves the

37:38

day. You can say

37:41

that about Sousa has a good stick. Z

37:44

I think has been a like his

37:46

defending is gone so you can tell he loves

37:48

playing play of hockey so is this the technique

37:50

of it and being beat in people's way is

37:52

a big thing for us. That's

38:01

a good question. I don't think anybody's ever 100%. We'll see

38:03

how close we get

38:05

to 100% before I make that decision but nobody's ever

38:07

100% in the playoffs. Was

38:13

it something that happened in practice? It was

38:15

a game. It's

38:33

bizarre but when

38:37

we were going with Artie and the guys heard

38:40

it, I don't know.

38:42

I don't see him walking away going, oh

38:44

my god, what's going on around here? I

38:46

just said, okay let's go. I mean Patrick,

38:48

I got to talk about Patrick's big thing

38:50

when I got signed here. He's

38:53

a big next-man-up mentality. I think

38:56

that's one of his big monotony. He doesn't

38:58

want to hear, well, poor us. He hates

39:00

that. When we told him we were going

39:02

with Artie, he was like, okay, and he

39:04

was just like, where are we going for

39:06

dinner? When your general manager

39:08

says that to your coach, it really

39:11

gives you confidence. He's

39:13

like, what else can go wrong? He

39:15

doesn't give that attitude. That's

39:18

Patrick. Who got the game

39:20

puck after the game court? I don't

39:22

know. Actually, I didn't go in there after. I wanted

39:24

them to celebrate. That's

39:26

a good question. I assume it would be Linholm, right?

39:30

Linholm, Vesser, Seelove. Yeah,

39:32

I know. How do you not get with the Vesser? I

39:34

think this game you could probably, you get the hacks out,

39:36

right? Give everybody a

39:38

piece. I don't know. I think usually the overtime winner

39:41

gets it doesn't. I don't know. I don't know how

39:43

that works. First guy up, Patrick. That's

39:45

the finalist's nominee today. What does that mean to

39:47

him? I know he'd rather be playing right now,

39:49

but what does it mean to him and the

39:51

organization to get that? Yeah, I think

39:54

for him, like he's our rock all

39:56

year. Even last year when I got

39:58

here, I knew I had something to say. special. Very

40:02

business like works his ass

40:04

off. I don't know.

40:07

He's a student of the game. He

40:09

wants it. He's working double

40:11

time as it is now. And

40:14

he's around a lot and the guys can

40:16

feel his energy. So yeah, I mean, it's

40:19

too bad he got hurt because of

40:21

course every news is going to be in the nominees. That's

40:24

a no brainer. That

40:26

is Canucks head coach Rick Tocket addressing the

40:28

media after getting back to Vancouver. As you

40:30

heard there, a little turbulence on the

40:32

flight, but as Tocket joked, they're

40:35

used to turbulence, especially after

40:38

this series with Nashville.

40:40

So Tocket sounding confident ahead

40:43

of a big game five

40:45

closeout opportunity for

40:47

the team. You know, as he said, they're like

40:50

almost feels less nervous because

40:52

they played a, you know, he said

40:54

average, I think he'd probably even say

40:56

below well below average for their standards

40:58

game yesterday in Nashville makes

41:00

him feel more confident that they'll, they'll

41:02

raise their level of play and be

41:04

ready to go. And as you said,

41:06

play a lot better than they did

41:08

yesterday in game five tomorrow. Lots of

41:10

other things to dig into there from

41:12

Rick Tocket and obviously, you know, a lot

41:15

of conversation and a lot of questions directed

41:17

to talk about the team's offensive struggles. And

41:19

as part of that, Elias Pederson specifically and

41:21

you know, right off the top, listening to

41:24

Rick Tocket there and he says, look, we're

41:26

in our heads. They're pressuring us. They're bringing

41:28

three guys everywhere, whether it's on the forecheck,

41:30

but just to the puck battles in

41:33

the offensive zone, puck battles

41:35

really anywhere on the ice, the high pressure

41:37

system for the Nashville predators. And you know,

41:39

I thought it was interesting to see your

41:42

talk and say, look, I think it's kind

41:44

of just in our heads. There's some simple

41:46

things to do there. Think quicker, move your

41:48

feet quicker and be more decisive. And as

41:51

Rick Tocket said, if there's

41:53

a storm on the ice, go to the storm,

41:55

be a storm chaser, go

41:57

out there, get in the battle. And as Tocket

41:59

said, you. those things, you're

42:02

going to have your opportunities, right? Because of

42:04

course, if they're committing that much to pressuring

42:06

a puck battle, if they don't come up

42:09

with it, necessarily that leaves space elsewhere on

42:11

the ice. And I think you even

42:13

saw that with Conor Garland being able to control the puck

42:15

down low below the goal line on

42:17

the overtime winner. Lindholm all alone

42:19

in front and was able

42:21

to make them pay to get that game

42:24

for victory. Now on Elias Pedersen, the

42:26

kind of the question of what do you do with

42:28

him? Do you shuffle things? How do you get close

42:31

to you? How does he get going? Talk

42:34

it very much preaching, keep it simple, right?

42:36

If he moves his feet, everything will come.

42:38

If you don't move your feet, they'll be

42:40

on you quick. It's just a mindset and

42:42

really suggesting that, yeah, maybe there might be

42:45

something physical going on, maybe banged up,

42:47

but Rick Talkett's thing, it's just

42:49

a mindset thing. Like this is a mental thing. Even

42:52

going as far to say, you know, watch McKinnon, watch

42:54

McDavid, the way those guys move their feet. Now,

42:57

obviously, Pedersen is not the electric skater

42:59

that either of those players are, but still

43:01

it's not necessarily about just being a blazing

43:03

fast skater. As Talkett says, it's about that

43:06

mentality of moving your feet,

43:08

of obviously always being engaged and

43:10

always making that quick play. And you know, it's not

43:12

hard to read between the lines, right? When Rick

43:15

Talkett speaking about, hey, some guys have to do

43:17

this, some guys have to be more engaged, that

43:20

a lot of that, at least one of those players, probably

43:23

the most prominent of those players is

43:25

Elias Pedersen. So moving his feet, being

43:28

more decisive, making quicker decisions, that's

43:31

all it's going to take, at least in Rick

43:33

Talkett's view, to get Elias Pedersen going. And you know, the

43:36

thing about that is if there's

43:38

one player on the team who

43:40

should be able to process the game at

43:42

an extraordinarily high level, it's Elias Pedersen. Now,

43:44

the Canucks have some really, really smart hockey

43:46

players on the team. Obviously JT Miller, Brock

43:48

Baster, we've talked about his hockey IQ, Quinn

43:51

Hughes, right? Even down the line, guys who

43:53

aren't as talented, like Ian Cole, a

43:56

really, really high level hockey thinker. Quinn, Elias

43:59

Pedersen, you're the best. Peterson at his best is

44:01

as well. That's

44:04

one of his greatest skills. This is his ability

44:06

to read the game, his ability to process the

44:09

game. That's what makes it so

44:11

jarring when it apparently has deserted him, at

44:13

least temporarily in this series. I think Tockett's

44:15

right to kind of hammer on that. Make

44:17

your reads quick. Process quick,

44:19

make the next decision quickly. Don't hold the

44:22

puck on your stick. And

44:24

sometimes that's not gonna work out, right? Sometimes if

44:26

you're really going quick, you'll make the wrong play.

44:28

But what the Canucks are banking on is more often than

44:30

not, you'll beat

44:32

that pressure, right? You'll create a chance for the

44:35

next player to do something with the puck, rather

44:37

than turning it over, rather than losing

44:39

it by holding onto the puck for too

44:41

long. Also, he

44:43

said they're not sure whether the shuffle is necessary

44:45

because he thinks he has three of his four

44:48

lines playing pretty well right now. And

44:51

no surprise that the

44:53

line he's referring to, I think that's not

44:56

playing pretty well is Elias Patterson with Hoaglander

44:58

and McCabe because even the fourth line yesterday

45:00

with Bluger, Lafferty, and Dejoseppe, I

45:02

thought they had a pretty good game. They had some good fourth line

45:05

shifts for the Canucks in that

45:07

game. They actually had three shots at five on

45:09

five. The fourth line, Lafferty,

45:11

Bluger, and Dejoseppe, which is not an

45:13

overwhelming number. Three shots in

45:15

seven and a half minutes of ice time. But you

45:18

look at what the Canucks did for the rest of the game, that's actually

45:20

pretty decent. The Elias Patterson line,

45:23

zero shots on goal. You

45:26

know, in eight and a half minutes of five on five

45:28

time. And that, you know, I

45:30

said this stat earlier about Elias Patterson not even

45:32

having a shot attempt at

45:35

five on five in that game individually. His

45:37

line when they were on the ice together

45:39

only had three shot attempts in

45:41

eight and a half minutes, none of them finding the net.

45:45

That's just not gonna cut it. There needs

45:47

to be more bottom line. There needs

45:49

to be more offensive zone time, more

45:51

danger created, obviously, when even

45:53

the fourth line is out chancing what

45:56

you're producing out there with Elias Patterson on the ice.

45:58

That is a major. major cause

46:01

for concern. You

46:03

know the other thing that stands out is and

46:06

this texture says interesting that the only D-man talked

46:08

in praise was Hironic and I don't

46:10

think that was any slight intended

46:13

at Philip Hironic. I mean I think you're all

46:15

like obviously Quinn Hughes in the spotlight after some

46:17

of the plays he made late despite struggling earlier

46:19

in the game and then as

46:21

we know Tockett is a big big fan. He

46:23

talked about those big four guys on the back

46:25

end right? The four below

46:28

the Hughes and Hironic

46:30

pairing. Zadorov, Cole, Myers, Sousi,

46:32

the physicality, the strength, the length

46:34

that all of them have. We know how much

46:37

Rick Tockett and Adam Foote value what

46:39

those guys can bring and Rick Tockett

46:41

really had a lot of praise for

46:43

that kind of four-man unit, those two pairs and

46:46

the work they can do in the defensive zone

46:48

and I think he's right. I mean one of

46:50

the things that stood out in

46:52

a positive sense for the Canucks in this game is

46:54

or in this series is at least from a defensive

46:57

point of view they don't have a D pair that they

46:59

have to hide. Right? They're second

47:01

and third pairs you know a lot of teams have that

47:04

third pair if it's pretty dicey you don't want them out

47:06

there you really have to find those minutes those

47:08

safe minutes for them in a playoff series. The Canucks

47:10

don't have that. Now you're seeing

47:12

some of the struggles to break out without Quinn Hughes at

47:15

his highest level but in zone whether

47:19

it's Zadorov, Cole, Myers, Sousi you're

47:21

pretty confident with either pair out there defending in

47:23

zone I think Rick Tockett right to

47:25

point out what a big deal that has been

47:27

for the team through

47:30

the first four games

47:32

of this series. Okay

47:35

that's gonna do it for us today man

47:38

I think I finally have bought it I finally

47:40

believe that that actually happened that it was not

47:42

in fact a dream that the Canucks

47:44

actually tied that game up with two goals

47:46

in the final three minutes and won it

47:49

a minute and two seconds to overtime and

47:51

now have a 3-1 series

47:53

lead over the national Predators

47:56

they're coming home to try to wrap up

47:58

a victory tomorrow. It would be

48:00

the first time they've won a playoff series in front

48:02

of their home fans Since

48:05

the Western Conference Finals in 2011. It's

48:07

been a while. They'll have a chance to do it

48:09

tomorrow Drancer and I will be on

48:11

for three hours starting at 11 to

48:13

get you set up for it Can't wait keep

48:16

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