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This came in from Brian and the

5:06

Slate Parenting Facebook group. Curious if

5:08

others can relate to this. We

5:10

have found it impossible to find a regular

5:12

sitter for our toddler. We live too far away

5:14

from families, so that's not an option. Every

5:17

sitter we find just ends up being

5:19

too busy to be reliable. We've tended

5:21

to use local teens recommended by friends

5:23

and other parents. Most times we're

5:25

looking, we text with our three go-to

5:27

sitters and inevitably after taking a

5:29

couple days to respond, they'll tell us

5:32

they have other obligations. Or

5:34

worse, they'll initially say yes and then

5:36

a few days later apologetically reach out saying

5:38

they've realized there's a conflict. By the time

5:40

we've reached out to everyone and heard no, a

5:42

full week may have gone by and it's too late

5:45

to find someone and time for our plans. Last

5:47

time this happened, we had reached out to

5:49

people a month in advance and everyone still

5:52

had stuff on their calendar. Honestly, I just

5:54

find the whole experience so exhausting that I'd

5:56

almost rather not bother. Do other

5:58

people have this experience? Is it

6:01

just due to how busy teens are these days, or

6:03

are we not finding the right people to ask? Pretty

6:05

much resigned to not having adult plans

6:08

until our son is old enough to stay by

6:10

himself. Alright

6:12

Elizabeth, what's a year? I

6:14

relate to this so much. I

6:18

think initially I thought it was like, I was

6:20

like, oh we're like in the wrong neighborhood. Like

6:22

this neighborhood doesn't have any teens. And then of course,

6:24

you know, we moved. And then I'm

6:27

like, oh, in the Netherlands

6:29

we had found a great babysitter and

6:31

I just tried to like book

6:33

her as much as possible. You know, like

6:35

almost like, when are you available? And then

6:38

I'll make my plans. Oh, that's a good

6:40

idea. Like that day. Reverse engineer your plans.

6:42

Yeah. Just like you tell me

6:44

when you want to work and I will

6:46

give you work essentially. And that worked. But

6:50

in the US, I have had a really hard

6:52

time. What I have ended

6:54

up doing, I have found two sources.

6:57

So homeschool families and large

6:59

families often are good

7:01

sources of teen babysitters. So I don't know

7:03

how to get plugged in with those communities.

7:07

But I think that this

7:10

is like gross, you know,

7:12

generalization. That when

7:14

there are a lot of children or homeschool children, there

7:16

just seems to be a focus

7:19

either on letting the kids have jobs

7:21

or do other things or have that

7:23

be part or like the parents just

7:25

can't manage all of the activities.

7:27

And so these kids are a little bit

7:30

more free. So I've had and again, I

7:32

have always followed the approach when I found someone

7:34

of sort of like, when is good

7:36

for you as opposed to me finding a date

7:40

and then going to try to find people because that's exactly like

7:42

I would have eight or nine people that we knew.

7:44

But that's the thing. They're all busy or like, is

7:46

there a football game or they have band practice or

7:48

like, well, this girl can only do from this time

7:50

to this time or this kid. I

7:53

just find it, like you say, very

7:55

exhausting. The thing that really worked for

7:57

us, though, is doing a swap with

7:59

other. like friends, which I know

8:01

can be hard. It's like you need to

8:03

find someone that's almost outside of your social

8:05

group. And that's kind of what we did

8:07

is find another family that was in the

8:09

neighborhood that we knew and we liked, but

8:11

was not in our like, hey, we go

8:13

out together group, or we would

8:15

want to go do something. And we

8:18

just swapped babysitting. So

8:20

if that meant that they came to our like, we would

8:22

feed the kids at our house or whatever and hang out.

8:24

And then, you know, one

8:26

parent went to put those kids to bed and

8:28

the other parent stayed at our house, or we

8:30

put everyone down at our house, like, there are

8:32

lots of ways to do that. But that is

8:35

what ended up working the best for us. And

8:37

then of course, there's, there

8:39

are places like care.com there's

8:42

college nannies and sitters, like

8:44

places like that, that is getting

8:46

way more into kind of your like formal

8:49

babysitting. But if the problem is

8:51

that you can't find like reliable

8:53

care, those people you're going you like

8:56

they're doing this as a job. So

8:58

this is it's like they rarely cancel

9:00

on you, right? Because you've like booked

9:02

them and figured out we have used

9:04

that care.com offers free

9:08

memberships through blue star families for military

9:10

members. So we have used that when we

9:12

first gotten somewhere. And we need some care

9:14

during like unpacking or, or something like that

9:16

when the kids were younger. Yeah,

9:18

and full disclosure care.com has advertised

9:22

on our show before, but they are not currently.

9:25

And I was going to suggest that too. And also

9:27

I see occasionally next

9:30

door solicitations from young

9:32

people in our neighborhood, hey, I'm 17

9:34

looking for looking

9:36

for a babysitting gig. So you might you might look

9:38

at next door as well. But

9:43

Jamila sent this piece around to us

9:45

earlier this week, it's called Whatever Happened to

9:48

Teen Babysitters. It was in the

9:50

Atlantic by the author Faith

9:52

Hill, not the country singer Faith Hill, I don't

9:54

think I guess

9:56

I hadn't thought about it in

9:59

these. terms, but the idea

10:01

of babysitting being this

10:03

quintessential American experience, it just

10:06

isn't that anymore. It was starting

10:10

a long time ago and even into our

10:12

childhoods, but at this point, the

10:15

piece talks about the

10:17

teen babysitter as we know it

10:19

has all but disappeared. There's a

10:21

researcher that says, quote, teenagers don't

10:23

seem very grown up these days.

10:26

There's not much reason to fear or exalt

10:28

babysitters anymore because our society no longer trusts

10:30

teens to babysit much at all.

10:32

So it's like something about

10:35

the culture of babysitting that that was

10:37

like a norm for kids.

10:40

It's not like that anymore.

10:42

Oftentimes, people who would have

10:44

been babysitting a generation ago might be studying

10:47

for AP classes or in piano

10:50

or worrying about college

10:53

and parents are

10:55

less likely to hire babysitters because they

10:57

want their kids to be like learning

10:59

another language or going to gymnastics or

11:04

the over programming of parents has

11:07

in a way lessened the

11:09

demand for babysitters and then babysitters

11:11

themselves don't feel competent

11:14

to do that. I was surprised to know that

11:16

in Illinois, you're not allowed to leave a kid

11:18

at home alone until they're 14. So this idea

11:21

that you're going to have a 12-year-old babysitter would

11:24

sound blasphemous to a lot of parents now.

11:27

When did you two start hiring

11:29

babysitters for your kids? I've

11:32

had very limited experience with

11:35

hiring babysitters for Naima. I always

11:37

say if you don't want to

11:39

hire babysitter, just like leave your

11:41

husband and have joint custody and

11:44

you don't have to worry about

11:46

that. The classic slogan. Yeah.

11:48

But the one that I use when

11:51

Naima was about, I think we started

11:53

with them when they were about nine

11:55

months old. She was a

11:57

friend of a friend and I think I just

12:00

put a call out on Facebook that I needed

12:02

someone to do some babysitting. This is when

12:04

I was going to work and

12:06

she had a daughter who

12:08

was the same age as Naima and she would

12:10

bring her to our house and she

12:13

ended up babysitting for us you know

12:15

for a few years and her daughter

12:17

and Naima to this day are like

12:19

oh gee besties they love each other

12:21

so much. I

12:24

did have a former intern

12:28

who babysat for us on a

12:30

few occasions as well but in

12:33

general haven't had to

12:35

do a lot of searching for

12:37

babysitters. I've been fortunate to just

12:40

send her to her dad when I need to go out. We

12:44

started pretty, I want to say the

12:46

first babysitter I

12:48

remember when Henry was like first

12:51

born like I think three weeks four

12:53

weeks we had to we moved the

12:55

military moved us and so I

12:58

had like other spouses on base that would

13:00

take him while we were packing but I

13:02

don't really count that as like babysitting but

13:04

I think as soon as we got to

13:06

Colorado the family across the street had a

13:08

12 year old daughter and

13:10

she started babysitting for us but she

13:13

you know had taken a first aid

13:15

course and and her mom was

13:17

right across the street it sounded like a very like

13:20

good situation and her mom's like I know she's new with

13:22

this so we'll just make sure we're home too

13:24

when she first starts and she babysat for

13:26

us pretty reliably the entire time we were

13:29

in that first Colorado assignment which was like

13:31

amazing and I was like oh this is

13:33

just like when I was younger you know

13:36

and then after we moved

13:38

from that it was like we we never really relied

13:41

I mean the Netherlands of course we found this girl but I

13:44

feel like since then it has just been harder

13:47

and harder expensive too I mean what

13:49

are you to find the going rate

13:51

is 15 an hour minimum

13:54

now some of my friends go up to 20 an

13:56

hour which makes

13:58

it prohibitive for us like I just feel

14:01

like, you know, to get a babysitter

14:03

for the night and to like go out to

14:05

dinner, you have to like

14:07

really be excited about

14:09

that night. Otherwise you're gonna feel, you might

14:11

have like some buyers remorse. We have a

14:14

babysitter whom we love. In fact,

14:16

I'm trying to bring her under the show for our

14:18

forthcoming teen panel. I think she's just brilliant. She's

14:20

17, she's the daughter of one of our dear

14:22

friends. And

14:25

she is like pretty reliable, but

14:27

still she doesn't drive and

14:29

she is juggling her own busy high school

14:31

schedule. She's a junior in high school and

14:33

I, you

14:36

know, she often isn't available. So I

14:38

totally empathize with our listener here who

14:40

even, you know, putting on feelers for

14:42

three people. It's hard

14:44

to get a

14:47

response, but I really liked

14:49

the idea of the trade. Like

14:51

you were describing Elizabeth, I

14:53

mean, theoretically it's kind of perfect

14:56

because there's no money exchange, just barter, but

14:58

we haven't actually practiced that yet, but I

15:00

really wanna, I would really like to try

15:02

to pull that off. So

15:04

when we were little in my parents'

15:06

little hippy dippy neighborhood, there was a

15:08

babysitting co-op. And it was

15:10

all the parents and they had little poker chips and

15:13

you like, when you joined you, I

15:15

don't know if they bought in or whatever, but you've got so

15:17

many. And then the only way to get them

15:19

was to babysit. And so, you know, everybody

15:22

started with 10 or whatever

15:24

and I don't

15:26

exactly know how the system worked, but

15:29

it kind of kept on us to make sure, you know,

15:31

people weren't, I don't know if at the end of the day

15:34

you could buy out, you know, like if you were doing all

15:36

this, this sitting if you could get money out or it was

15:38

just like, well, you gotta take

15:40

that, but they called them chips and they,

15:43

that was my parents' swear by that

15:46

system. Cause they were all

15:48

pretty much like dual working,

15:51

trying to figure it out in this little

15:53

neighborhood. But

15:55

that's, I mean, it worked for us. And

15:58

eventually we had like quite. a little collection

16:00

of families in the neighborhood that we would just put

16:04

the message out like, hey, we got tickets to this

16:06

thing or doing this thing. Could anyone just come by?

16:09

You know, who can this work for? And I mean, we

16:11

never felt like taken advantage of and

16:13

I never felt like we were taking advantage

16:15

of friends either. Even

16:18

though like at the end, you know, like when we're moving

16:20

out, you often need a lot of care,

16:23

just like there's work events and there's all of

16:25

this and I felt like people

16:27

stepped up. And it first takes a lot

16:30

of work. Like it doesn't cost you anything

16:32

monetarily, but it costs you a lot to

16:34

build those relationships and then also for you

16:36

to have the time to take kids, right?

16:38

Because you also need to be then available,

16:41

which gives up your evening. But honestly, you guys

16:43

to go watch somebody else's kids and then get

16:46

to sit in their house, like

16:48

watch what you want or read what you want.

16:51

And because, you know, kids don't come down when

16:53

mom's home, they come a lot, right?

16:55

But when someone else's mom, they're

16:57

way less likely to be. I

17:01

was just going to say, even though I didn't

17:03

know, I don't end up calling on a babysitter

17:06

or anyone to babysit for us often, I do

17:08

take care of one of

17:10

Naima's friends every so often.

17:13

So her mom can work

17:15

or do stuff. And

17:18

I think that like having an arrangement where

17:20

you all trade on that time would be,

17:22

I think that's a really, really

17:24

helpful suggestion. Yeah. And

17:27

I mean, I totally understand that you're, like

17:30

you say, pretty much resigned to not having adult

17:32

plans until your son is old enough to stay

17:35

home by himself. But there's also a cost to

17:37

not going out there. You

17:39

know, you need to go and have your fun,

17:41

get a break. And

17:46

a lot of people say it. And I think

17:48

because it's true, like it's a really good investment,

17:50

getting a babysitter. You're investing in

17:52

your relationship. You're investing in yourself.

17:54

So in

17:56

some ways, it is, I guess, easier

17:58

not to have to coordinate. with babysitters,

18:01

not to have to make

18:04

plans, but it's also teaching your

18:06

kids some independence and social

18:08

skills by leaving them home with someone

18:10

else and it's giving you an opportunity to go and

18:12

nurture your relationship

18:15

with your partner or your friends. So I

18:17

do still deeply believe in the

18:20

babysitter. Especially in those toddler

18:22

years. Oh yeah. Like

18:24

I just feel like it's constant.

18:26

I just wanna say, I've heard really

18:29

good things about care.com. You know,

18:31

all of the sitters on there

18:33

are background checked,

18:35

they have an average rating of 4.7

18:37

out of five for

18:40

their providers and it'll

18:43

open you up to people in your area that you

18:45

wouldn't have been able to connect with

18:47

otherwise because they're probably not using any

18:49

other method of advertising if they're on

18:52

care.com. Yeah, we have

18:54

always found good people

18:56

through care.com. I do think

18:58

though care.com feeds into what the article

19:02

talks about though, which is like

19:04

now babysitting is professional and it's

19:06

not just something that you pick

19:09

up. I also thought the article was interesting because

19:11

it kind of, I

19:14

have like romanticized babysitting. I was a

19:16

babysitter. I like to

19:18

babysit. My kids sort of joke, especially

19:20

Henry is like, well when I go back, can

19:22

I babysit? He wants to take

19:25

the CPR class, which again,

19:28

I would say the babysitting in homeschool families, like this is

19:30

much more common because the kids have more time. But

19:35

I thought it was interesting that

19:37

it also brought up that

19:39

some of the ties to women and

19:42

under being kind of underpaid in

19:45

that this was like training for mostly

19:47

girls to like have these motherhood tasks

19:49

and we could like pay them less

19:51

than you would pay a professional

19:54

caregiver. I

19:56

was like, Ooh, never really thought about

19:59

that. about how this was

20:01

something society needed and as a child you

20:03

couldn't go get a job. So

20:06

this is a good way to start getting

20:08

some of those skills and when I think about it,

20:10

it's the skills that you

20:12

get from babysitting.

20:15

Yes, I learned some household chores and taking care

20:17

of kids, but I also learned a lot of

20:19

problem solving and a lot of, I think the

20:22

first time I called to

20:24

get a pizza or the first time I did that was

20:26

when I was on the clock. I

20:30

didn't think until I read

20:32

the article just about how

20:34

babysitting as it once was

20:36

just reinforces gender norms. I

20:38

know. That

20:40

girls need to learn care,

20:42

nurturing and child rearing

20:44

skills, but you would never, I

20:46

mean how many people would hire a teenage boy

20:49

to babysit unless they knew him very,

20:51

very well, like a

20:53

nephew or next door neighbor, but most

20:56

people say I'm not leaving my child with a boy.

20:59

No, I mean, we've had boy

21:02

babysitters before and I always think

21:04

of them as daytime babysitters which

21:06

is like the most because my

21:09

kids have the best time with

21:11

them, but

21:14

like girl babysitters like come home

21:16

and my house is clean and they've done the

21:18

dishes and that is just not the experience I've

21:20

had which is a complete like

21:23

reinforcement to every gender

21:25

stereotype. I hate

21:28

myself a little bit, but my real world

21:30

experience, right, is like the kids are like,

21:32

we had an amazing time and I'm like,

21:34

yes, and the house looks that way, right?

21:37

Like, I mean, when you get, I don't

21:39

know, I just, my experience with

21:41

other babysitters, you get home, like the house is

21:43

tidy, you know, it's not like they cleaned your

21:45

house, but they picked up what they played with.

21:48

Two counterpoints to that. Our

21:50

amazing babysitter who I mentioned earlier, hopefully she's

21:52

not listening, she's not doing the

21:55

dishes. And

21:57

I babysat a lot as a kid and

22:00

I never did the dishes either. So I don't

22:04

know of many babysitters, like 14, 15, 16 year

22:06

olds who are tidying up, but

22:10

I think they're an exception rather than

22:12

the rule. I've

22:14

just been really lucky. Yeah, I think so. That's what you're

22:16

saying, I've been really, really lucky. I have been. All

22:20

right, well, as always listeners, we wanna

22:22

hear from you. Have you

22:24

been able to figure out the modern babysitter

22:26

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All right, let's move on to recommendations.

23:29

Zach, what are you recommending? I'm

23:31

recommending Ninja Warrior classes.

23:35

Have your kids gotten into Ninja? No,

23:37

we didn't summon Colorado. Like not classes, but

23:39

we had birthday parties and things like that

23:41

at them. I think it's the coolest thing.

23:43

Noah first was introduced to it. I

23:47

think it was at her aunt's house. We started watching

23:49

American Ninja Warrior on TV, which is

23:51

a very fun show, fun

23:53

family, entertainment. But She

23:56

did gymnastics a bit last year and

23:58

just, you know, no joke. When

24:00

against gymnastics. In. General.

24:02

But there's just something about

24:04

how serious gymnastics can get

24:06

from really young age. And

24:08

there's there's just this kind

24:10

of you know, think I'm

24:12

unspoken pressure that. The. Kids

24:15

might. Be exposed

24:17

to in in gymnastics that I

24:19

find ninja not to have a

24:21

whiff of at all. I think

24:23

it's it's like really fun. Ah,

24:25

the classes are coed. We got

24:27

a one. Where. We'd

24:29

have to like to. Call. Or email that

24:31

day saying we're going to go. It's informal

24:34

but it's also like the trainers are really

24:36

cool and they're like encouraging like you know

24:38

when know as like struggling with the monkey

24:40

bars like lot of come on like you

24:42

can do this. It's

24:44

it's great exercise. It's it's kind

24:46

of. ah. You. Know. A

24:50

great way to plug your kid

24:52

into something athletic without like the

24:54

pressure of winning or losing. I

24:56

just think it's. Super. Cool

24:58

and super fun. The class the we go

25:00

to is an hour once a week. It's

25:03

not a big commitment, you can go more

25:05

if you want to like Some of the

25:07

kids in this ninja school that have ended

25:09

up on the on the the tv so

25:12

on but others just like for like climber

25:14

open and mess around so that the commitment

25:16

if is kind of up to you were

25:18

as found like the gymnastics etc. You have

25:21

to like by in and and. Can

25:23

go hard but. Not

25:25

really into it and I think like

25:27

if you're trying to figure out something

25:29

for your kid, That

25:32

kind of like in between sports and

25:34

exercise ends. like I think I think

25:36

ninjas may be the one for you

25:38

to discover like ninja classes near me

25:40

most most cities have a couple ninja

25:42

facilities know so. Highly

25:44

recommend. I think to in twenty

25:47

twenty Eight Ninja is gonna be. An

25:49

Olympic sport. Wow okay good

25:52

so know I can start work in. Yeah

25:54

maybe that's why we have forget all that

25:56

seven noticing for find a specific what. i

25:58

mean i think it's like eating like

26:01

popularity. Yeah, it's

26:03

really cool. That's awesome. Yeah. Does

26:06

she have a favorite like obstacle? She loves

26:08

the monkey bars. Just like

26:10

over and over. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

26:13

Plus she can show off her skills on the

26:16

playground. Absolutely. What

26:19

about you Elizabeth? What are you recommending?

26:21

Okay, well April 8th is coming

26:23

and we are going to have a

26:25

solar eclipse. I think like 98% of

26:27

the US, you guys are going to get a partial solar

26:29

eclipse. Some of you are going to get a full solar eclipse. I

26:32

have been out of the country

26:35

for both US eclipses, which just

26:37

pains me because like the educational and

26:39

opportunities here, plus just like the wonder

26:41

to me a solar eclipse is like

26:45

the moment in which you can realize that we're just

26:47

like a ball floating around in space with these

26:49

other balls. I don't know. There's something just like

26:51

wonderful about that. But here's the

26:53

thing, you need to get your solar eclipse glasses

26:55

if you don't have them from seven years ago,

26:57

you need to get them now you need to

26:59

make sure that they are the right kind so

27:01

that you are not staring into the sun and

27:03

blinding yourself. So do that now there's a link

27:05

to ones that are

27:07

like approved, you can get those brands on

27:09

Amazon, just make sure you're buying ones that

27:12

are produced by one of these people on

27:14

the list. Otherwise, there are people out there

27:16

that make ones that are not but

27:18

I think what's even cooler is

27:20

that NASA has this great info page.

27:23

If you want to like watch a video

27:26

about what the solar eclipse is with your

27:28

kids, it's there. But the coolest thing that's

27:30

there is there are going to be three

27:32

citizen science projects that are going on during

27:35

this solar eclipse. And if you don't know

27:37

what a citizen science project is, it's basically

27:39

where they call out to

27:41

people because they need large data

27:43

gathering during a very particular thing.

27:46

The one that I am most excited about, you can go check

27:49

out all three, some of them are like just snap a

27:51

picture or download this app. But the thing

27:53

that I think is very cool is they're

27:55

doing something called global symphony. And

27:57

they are asking like us the citizen

28:00

to collect data on what animals

28:02

and insects are doing in

28:04

the moment where it gets dark and comes back. And

28:07

so you can find, you

28:09

know, with your kid or

28:11

find yourself a bird or something and

28:13

take a little video of what it's

28:15

doing and help scientists understand like how

28:17

this affects nature and what different animals

28:20

and bugs do. Even if you don't wanna do

28:23

that, just make sure that you go check it

28:25

out because I think it's really cool.

28:27

So that's coming on April 8th. We're

28:29

taking the day off school and driving down

28:31

to Ohio to be in that path of

28:34

totality. Path of totality. We're very excited. Tamiella,

28:36

what are you recommending? So

28:38

I'm recommending, this is for

28:40

parents, not for kids, a

28:44

docu-series called Quiet On

28:46

Set. That's

28:49

on HBO Max or Max,

28:51

this is called now. It's

28:54

about the inner workings of

28:56

Nickelodeon in the 90s and

28:59

early 2000s. And

29:02

some of the really egregious abuses

29:04

of children that were taking place

29:07

back then. There

29:09

were three sexual predators that

29:12

were employed by Nickelodeon during

29:14

that time period. And

29:17

just a lot of really, like

29:20

there's a big focus on Dan Schneider, who

29:22

was kind of like the architect of the

29:24

Nickelodeon that a lot of us grew up

29:27

on. I mean,

29:29

not all of it, but like shows like all that, Kenan

29:33

and Kale, he was responsible for.

29:36

And he integrated some

29:38

really gross adult coded

29:40

jokes into

29:43

Nickelodeon. Like there's a really, they

29:45

have an awful kind of super

29:48

cut of Ariana Grande as

29:50

a very young girl, you know,

29:52

appearing to, she's

29:56

like playing with a potato, but- Yeah, massaging a

29:59

potato, I think. I think it's called, right? Like her,

30:01

yeah. Yeah, she's massaging a potato, trying to

30:03

get liquid from it. Just a lot of

30:05

really weird stuff that was going on back

30:07

then that most of us, you know,

30:09

had no idea about until recent years

30:12

when those rumors started hitting social media.

30:15

It's really powerful, and I think it's

30:17

really important for these former child actors

30:20

to have their opportunity to

30:22

tell their stories. So, you

30:25

know, I would definitely give it a viewing,

30:27

especially if you've ever considered getting

30:30

your children into entertainment. It's

30:32

very eye-opening. Yikes. What

30:34

show was Ariana Grande on? Ariana Grande

30:36

was on Sam and Kat, I

30:39

think. Yeah,

30:41

she was elite. She

30:43

was elite on the show. Yeah, a lot of people have been

30:45

talking about this, about the show, yeah. Yeah.

30:49

No, it's really something to watch. Well,

30:52

we always want to hear what you

30:54

guys are into, listeners. So, seriously, be

30:56

sure to reach out to us and

30:58

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