In this podcast, host Diane Carbo and end-of-life specialist Pat Deegan discuss the stages of death and dying. The conversation begins with Carbo sharing a personal story about her experience with a pet who had multiple seizures and the questions that arose while filling out the necessary paperwork for emergency care. This story leads into a discussion about the way our culture views death, and the reluctance to accept it as a natural process. The conversation also touches on the consequences of medical treatments, and the need for people to consider end-of-life options for their pets as well as their loved ones.