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Hey everyone , welcome back to another episode

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of Carry On Friends , the Caribbean American podcast

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. I am back with the friends . It

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is MCKKMCCKM

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, however you want to say it . The friends

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are Bac . Welcome

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back Michaela , who

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is a veteran , yes , yes

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. And

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the stranger , chris

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. You have not been on

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the podcast for a while , welcome .

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Well , I'm not a stranger , but I'll take the

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welcome , thank you . Thanks for having me . When

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I think stranger , I think danger , so

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there's no danger .

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I don't know why , but I do know why . Well

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you are family and

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the friends are back and we are going to talk

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about competing

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competition . And before

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we get into this discussion , I

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guess I should give some background right . So

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I did an interview at White Yachty

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and I was explaining how

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we are like a co-operative

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because in a general business sense

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carry on friends style and vibes where

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it's at we are competitors

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within the space , but even

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though we're considered competitors , we are

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cooperating and

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partnering and collaborating with each

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other . So collectively we grow

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and through that collective

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partnership or individual platforms kind

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of grow right , but we are competitors

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and to see ourselves differently in

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a business situation doesn't

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make sense because that's what New

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York State or any other publication would

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look at us as competition . And

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so when I clarified that

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, he was like oh yeah , cool , fine , but

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it made me think of why

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he's not the first time or it's

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not the first time I hear people strongly

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defend or explain

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why they don't compete or

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they're not in competition . And

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then if you look on social media , there's

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a lot of posts that people aren't

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jealous , they don't compete , they're in

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lanes by themselves and yeah

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, those things are fine . But I so I wanted

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to have the friends over to

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chat to see how we feel

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about the word competes

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, competition or

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feelings , and , you know , get

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to understand what is good competition

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, bad competition and etc

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. So with that , let's us kick

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it off with the gentleman

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in the room Chris , what ? is

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your thoughts on a

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kind of something like Bonte a while

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ago . What ?

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is your thoughts ? Yes , what was

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my thoughts ? So , so , so here's the thing

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when

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I look back

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. Recently I was just in

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, I was in Tulsa right for this

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Black owned media conference and part

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of that area Black Wall Street , of course , as we

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know was bombed and in that

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area there was a

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movie theater the largest movie theater in

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that area Black owned and across the street

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was another movie theater

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. Now the owner of the original

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large movie theater welcomed

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her neighbor who had a smaller

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theater to the neighborhood and showed a

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lot of love and support because in

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her mind she

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saw it as an opportunity for

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people who couldn't fit in her

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theater to be able to fit in this other

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person's theater . So their , her mindset

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was let's work together so

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that we can help everybody in the community have

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access to be able to see films

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and experience , have this whole movie

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experience right . Fast

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forward a little bit . You have , you know

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, jet magazine , ebony magazine

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, essence magazine and

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Black Enterprise and all these

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founders . You know Earl Graves

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, the Johnsons and

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oh my God , I don't know why , the gentleman

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from Essence just their names just jumped out of my head

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but the original , original founders

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of Essence magazine . They all worked together

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, they partnered when they went to see

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these big ad

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agencies , when they went to to get

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ads because , in their mind , if

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all these black media publications

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were working together , were

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collaborating , they could get

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more right and

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that would push them further . Now

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did they compete ? Probably

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, you know , because I don't think it's

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like running a race , right , you know , it doesn't

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make you if you , if you came

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third , fourth or fifth

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, it doesn't make you the worst in the world , because

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you still had people that were cheering for you . You still had

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people that that saw you , that recognize

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you , that saw your talent

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. So you had to have talent to be in the race

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to compete . But I just look

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at it from a different lens in that I

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believe it's , it's it needs to be seen

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and projected as something that's healthy

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, as opposed to this dog eat dog

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kind of a position

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you know like oh , you know you

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, I'm better than you , I got more than you to offer

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, and blah , blah , blah . And so then what that , what that

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breeds is , is

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this environment where you're not working

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together , you're not talking to each other because

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you want to outshine the next person . You

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know , I feel like the competition

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, as long as it's healthy , as long

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as you're fostering growth within

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each other and you're encouraging each other and lifting

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each other up , then that's a good thing . So

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I don't know , that's probably a long way to say it .

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No , man , I think it's perfect . Which means that

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Menonifa asked me , kayla , how should feel . But just

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want to jump on what you said . So I think I

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think generally we can agree

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that , based on what we see on

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social media , when people

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here compete , they think yo

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, your bad mind , your grudgeful

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, you're like that . Those are the

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types of response I hear

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and see when it comes to

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competition . So some people

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might say , no , I don't think competition is only

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bad mind . But , michaela , I guess

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from your point of view , you

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said to me the other day in a conversation

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that social media reflects real

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world or real life . So

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talk to me a little bit about why

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people have this negative

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view of competition . And maybe

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they are not

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confusing it but interweaving some

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of the bad mind , grudgeful , jealousy

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, envious thing experiences as

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competition and that's

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why competition is bad .

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I think we're exposed to competition very

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early in life , right , especially

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if you go to like grade school . You're

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naturally competing

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in a sense . So I think

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it's become a defense mechanism

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to say I'm not competing because

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essentially you don't want to be perceived

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as someone who is

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bad mind I mean a grudger

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and then something . But I think

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it's important to understand

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that you can be

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in competition and

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be okay with who you

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are as a person , because

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steel sharpens steel

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. If there were no one doing anything

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that you wanted to do , you wouldn't want to do

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it . It's very lonely to be

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in the space by yourself , in any space

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by yourself . We're not meant to

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be in spaces solo

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. So when you have a gather

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of community , there's going to be

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a natural inclination

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to compete for limited

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opportunity , and so

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I think that in real life that plays

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out and social media kind

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of just amplifies both sides

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of that . So it amplifies

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the negative thoughts and

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things that

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people say and kind of reinforces

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the thought process . I'm a firm

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believer that social media

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is just a reflective , amplified

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version of how we truly think

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. This is why your feed looks

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different from my feed and once

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you feel a certain way about what

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you're looking at every day and

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you become aware of it , then you change

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that . You change that by the type

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of content that you consume or

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what you're looking at , what you're commenting

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on and things of that nature . So

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I think the idea

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that social media

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has really amplified the

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thoughts around it being bad

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mind , I think it kind of just adds fuel

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to the fire . But those thoughts

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have always been part

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of the psyche and we continuously

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have to do work on

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a daily basis to really

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reflect and say that

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no , it's not necessarily

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a bad thing . It's how I approach

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it is where the intention

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, the intention , needs to be pure

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and I think only you truly know what

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your intent is , and

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I think that that often plays

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out more with your own intent

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. You start to create stories and

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make up things in your head before

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they even actually play out , and we all do

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this . We all play out scenarios in

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our head without actually going through

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the motions of them , based on our own

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experiences . But

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I also think that it's important to kind of catch

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yourself so that you understand what

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these messages

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really mean and how they impact you

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on a daily basis .

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I mean perfect example . Today

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someone suggested something to me and I

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was like , yeah

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, I think that could be a good idea . I

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need to validate it . But at the same time

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I was like wait , I don't want this

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. And this person just started telling

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them about semifala . Because

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, even though it's not my intention

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, like you said , Michaela , we start

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to start thinking like maybe that's

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what this person is thinking , and I had to snap

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out of that . I was like that's not nothing for doing with

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me and maybe it was because I know I was

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preparing to have this conversation . It's

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a lot of whether

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a lot of us agree or

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want to admit we care about

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what other people think of us

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and how other people perceive

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us . So we start having these

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thoughts and then we're like , no , I'm not

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competing , but I'm not going to compete

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with . No men are jealous . My concern

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is , in this day of social media

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, are we truly preparing people to be

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emotionally intelligent and equipped

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? Because there's no doctor , no

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psychologist , no preacher

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, no , nobody in this world can

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say that you won't experience jealousy

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as long as you're a human and you're alive

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. You'll experience it , and it's

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your awareness of what

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is causing me to be jealous and

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why and why I keep digging

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like that . And I think people are afraid

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to be perceived as jealous

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and have them in

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them , feelings or a certain way . Those

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are natural things . What's unnatural

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is not trying to be

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introspective and investigating

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why we feel a certain way

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.

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So I can't get it out of my head

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. I feel a way .

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Listen . So

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, um , mikaela

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, what's the guy who was on the podcast

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and he was trying to do like a

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black version of our Airbnb ? I

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can't remember his name , dang

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it . He was on the podcast a few

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years ago and I

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remember .

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I don't remember my name . I

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don't know your type .

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Yeah , I think he was in the show notes , but we did an episode

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on his podcast and he was like

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I don't worry about competition . And

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he's like , yeah , when people are like , what about the competition

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, what the competition is doing , he's like I don't worry about competition

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. In fact , I start businesses

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when there where there's a lot of competition

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, because in his head he's like

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the more competition , the

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more the market is established and

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the more there's an opportunity to make money

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. That's how he saw it . And

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so if there's a place and I remember

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there was an interview with the

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guy from industrious a

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few years ago and industrious is almost

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like a competitor to we work he

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used to be a lawyer . He said the same thing we

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, we are not worried about the competition

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. Competition is

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a validation that

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the market is mature enough

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to get into the market

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and generate revenue . Now , how

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you differentiate yourself is a whole different

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thing . So I guess , chris

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, given that

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we're having this conversation and we're having a conversation

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and I interviewed him , so on a jumpy

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when and already , all

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right , if we have this mindset

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about competition , how does that ? What

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are we redirecting collaboration

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on ? So if , if we don't compete

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, then what is collaboration , because I feel

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like they're shifting the definition

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to something else and what really

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supposed to be collaboration is

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not really collaboration , because some people have

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some interesting collaboration

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stories . So , based on how

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people think of competition , how does

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that possibly have downstream effects in

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terms of collaborating with people

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looking at opportunities , those

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types of things ?

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You know , it's funny that you said that so . So I

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think Michaela , you might have said it , and

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Carrie , I don't know , you co-assigned it . So

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if you go into something , your mindset

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is everything right . So if you go into

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a situation where you're

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creating this business and

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you know you , you

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think of competition a certain way and

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even though you may say , oh well , you know , I'm not competing

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because my what I'm doing is

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better or it's different or whatever , it's unique

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, so I'm not competing , I'm in my lane

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, but then you don't have

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a true understanding and appreciation for

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collaboration . Then all you're

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going to be doing is just , you're

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just focused by yourself . You're just

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. It's just going to be a selfish situation

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. And look , some people may say there's nothing wrong

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with that . You know you , you're going to live in your

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bubble and do what you do . But the reality of

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it is we all are

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on this planet together for a reason we need

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each other to survive . We need each other to thrive

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, to grow , to flourish . So

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my idea is this like we knew

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when we started where it's , at that , there

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were a few players in the space , but not

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enough . So but but what

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we knew ? The space was going to grow . So we

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decided to enter into the space to

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be able to provide a

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broader offering , right ? But

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at the same time , we're not watching nobody

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. You know I'm not studying who's doing

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what or anything like that . As a matter of fact , most

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times I'm hearing after the fact that

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somebody did XYZ For me

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. I'm like , okay , that's fine , the

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lane I'm in and what , what I'm building and

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what I'm doing . I'm defining and my dad

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is defining , we're defining together what

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it is that we're building . But at the

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same time , I know that we can't

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get there by ourselves

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. They , what's what's , what's

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the , what's the expression ? Go

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. If you want to go fast , go

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alone . If you want to go farther , you

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know , go with someone else . Or go with a team

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, go with a group , right ? So my goal

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is I want to go farther . I'm not interested in

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running , you know , in

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a sprint I'm a long distance

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runner , you know , you know so . So

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my thing is I want to

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go far , as far as humanly

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possible . I want to traverse the world

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, the globe . So , with that mindset

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, I believe in the importance of collaboration

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and I believe the

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unfortunate thing is , I think the young

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people today don't have

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a true and not all , but but

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from what I've seen with my own

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interactions with folks , don't have a really true understanding

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of what collaboration is , don't

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have a have a true understanding of the value

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of collaboration and what it brings .

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Chris , we're not going to be ages . It's not just

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young people's song .

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Well , okay , so , so , okay , no , no , no . So , yeah

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, let me . You're absolutely right , Let me modify

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that . Yes , I think that there are people

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today , young and old , that don't understand

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, You're absolutely right , don't understand collaboration

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and what it is . Because the reality , if you took

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a stock of what collaboration

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is and how valuable it is , we

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as a people would be further along . Think

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about how we all , the three of us

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here , as you explained Carrie Ann , you have Carrie

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on friends , michaela , you have style and vibes , me

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and my dad , we have where it's at . You know , there

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is nothing here in me

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, as far as I see , that makes me want

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to say , oh , I can't

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do it with them . I'm going to release that secret

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, then I'm going to do it first . I

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don't think that way . I think

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yo , carrie Ann , michaela

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, me , the Trio , I did

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job , I trip a trip , them

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can't stop with . You know what I'm saying . I

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feel like if we get to , we put our

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heads together . They always say two heads is better

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than one . Then what you think three heads is our

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four heads , our five heads . I mean

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we put , put all our resources

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together , we work together

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, we can go further , we can go

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farther . So , you know , I

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think people need to learn that and study

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that and really appreciate

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and value collaboration , not

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necessarily over competition . I think the

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two can can be side by side . You

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know , because even though you know we're

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working together , you know I still look

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at what Carrie , what you're doing Carrie , what you're doing Michaela

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, and I'm like yo look like not for a

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tweak up some things on , not if I

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you know because , Because

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it adds a little spice and a little sauce

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. But I'm not . It's not in a way where

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it's unhealthy , it's more so , like yo

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, they did something dope . I like that . Can

18:13

I add a little twist to it ? Can I do

18:15

it ? And then I'll call you up like yo , michaela , but just

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drop this . Or Terry , I just did this . What

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you think it's not , it's healthy , you

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know , but but , but it's

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, it's how it's done . They can't

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be bad intent . They can't be

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me trying to cut you so

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that I can get more advertisers , so

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that I can get more business . Then it's

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shady . Dennis Badmine , dennis

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Jellos , dennis Covetos , covetos

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.

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Covetos , covetos , covetos .

18:42

They learned new words , big words too . Covetos

18:45

, watch me , I'm not using for the video

18:47

.

18:48

Yeah .

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No , but I think you hit

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the nail on the head , chris , where you

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know , as you started to kind of get

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into your comment , you could hear

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how competition was fun for you . And

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let's face it , competition can be

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so much fun Too picnic

19:06

, am I real . So you know , much like

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excitement goes into

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competition . That people get

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excited Like one person

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running is like okay , but

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then you get two people running it's like , oh , now

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we got a game going , we have , we have something

19:21

to kind of entertain . The

19:23

competition can be entertaining

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, I think , when it overly

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consumes who you are and

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distracts you from your

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goal , like may I

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use the same example where I would

19:37

lend them . You know you own a limb . You

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often look left , I look right , change

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and lend . You often look left

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or right for pass , but when

19:45

you're in your lane you're going straight . But

19:47

when you need to pivot and you need to get off

19:50

the road and you need to do this , you're

19:52

going to have to look around and see what

19:54

else is out there , because it's just

19:56

not you by yourself and , trust

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me , if it's you by yourself , it's bored

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.

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I mean , since we're the top vote , lean , I

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mean we have to talk about , I

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mean as a people , we . There's

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no way you could , you could , you can idolize

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or say you know , your read Steve Jobs

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, Michael Jordan , steph Curry , lebron

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, all of them , you know Kobe , they're

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all competitors , like

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notoriously competitors

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. I think what people don't

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understand is , like off court , they're different

20:26

people but you can't say

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you respect Oprah . You can't say , like

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they have to compete and

20:33

I remember there was an interview Oprah was like

20:35

she was telling her executives don't worry

20:37

about what the others are doing

20:39

, let's just focus on what we're doing . But it didn't

20:42

say . She didn't say don't worry about competing

20:44

with them . We know we're competing , but

20:46

let's focus on what we do best

20:48

you know in in the space of

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competition , and I think that's where

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we need to define it . I mean , let's

20:54

take track and feel like you

20:56

know , shelly Sharika , of

20:59

course we had thought of the Jamaicans and all

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of them . They're individual competitors

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, right , but when it comes time for the , really

21:05

I guess what I'm doing . They're his one

21:07

team , the Jamaican women's

21:10

, four by one team , right ?

21:12

So working together .

21:14

Exactly Right . And

21:16

so , yes , you can compete individually

21:18

, but you can also compete as a team

21:20

. And I feel like we

21:23

, we often compare ourselves to

21:25

other groups cultural group

21:27

, ethnic groups and how far they are , and

21:30

I think I find they may have

21:32

a healthier view of competition

21:34

than than we do . It's

21:36

what I see on a daily basis . They

21:38

do . They may not like you

21:40

personally and and

21:42

and , but they were like you know what . We will work together

21:45

because we have a common goal . Right , that's

21:47

how that's the levels . All right , maybe

21:49

someone went up on the level because you know we are Caribbean

21:52

people , spirit off a take it the spirit , don't take

21:54

you , and not going to work . Right , but

21:56

there's a level of maturity in

21:59

understanding that we have a

22:01

, we have a shared goal . And

22:03

how are we going to move

22:05

towards a shared goal ? And I think it's also

22:07

important that the

22:10

three of us and I agree , we

22:12

are like the triplets activate

22:14

like wonder triplets at this point

22:16

. Right , we all are carrying

22:19

different weights . Right , you remember the event

22:21

we did Michaela , boom that Chris , you

22:23

do that , me , do that . Right , we

22:25

are activating in our own

22:27

strengths in order to grow

22:29

, and I think we you

22:31

know , it's just having these conversations . I think

22:33

having hard conversations as friends

22:35

is challenging in a social media

22:38

world where people spend

22:40

more time communicating on social media as

22:42

opposed to maybe more

22:44

in person communication .

22:46

So you know , you said something , carrie , and I don't

22:49

want this to be missed . You said we're , we're activating

22:51

different strengths , right , so you

22:53

have something that you're

22:55

, you're skilled you're even

22:57

more skilled at than me and Michaela

23:00

, same with you , and so forth . So we

23:02

each have have our own unique talents

23:04

, our own strengths , and

23:06

so it makes it , gives

23:08

us an edge in that particular

23:10

area , and that's healthy

23:13

. There's nothing wrong with that . And

23:15

see , see , I don't know , I don't know at what

23:17

point it got distorted and at what

23:19

point we felt , started to feel like competition

23:22

is a bad thing , and I don't know why , but

23:25

for as

23:27

long as I know , there's been competition

23:29

. I mean , you know , we can go back

23:31

to Africa , we can go to the

23:34

Romans , the Greeks , you know there's

23:36

, there's always been competition . There's

23:38

nothing wrong with it . It's all about

23:40

now , like you said , you know what's

23:43

, what's the mindset . How are you entering

23:45

into this space of competition ? How

23:48

are you viewing those people who you

23:50

perceive as your competitors ? Are

23:53

they , you know , are you

23:55

? Are they they beneath you ? Are

23:57

they people who you respect and want

23:59

to work with and build a relationship

24:01

with and grow with ? And for me , for

24:03

the most part , I would have to say , even in the space

24:06

that I'm in , most most of my well

24:09

, maybe most is strong is to

24:11

, but but I would have to say

24:13

, a fair amount of the people that are

24:15

are competitors I have a great deal of respect

24:18

for . There are some , because of

24:20

their how

24:23

I view them in the community , I view them

24:25

as as robbers

24:27

of the community . Some of those I

24:29

don't have respect for and so I won't

24:31

work with them and so I don't even , and

24:33

because of that I don't see them as competition , I just

24:35

see them as thieves . And so you

24:38

know , when I view as a thief , you're not

24:40

, you're on afterthoughts , You're not even a thought . You

24:42

know , I don't even . I'm not going to say I'm not named

24:44

a name . What do I say ? I

24:46

don't want to work , but but you have to have those in

24:48

mind . You know , you have to know who the people

24:51

are , the people that are good people , that

24:53

are people that you want to work with , that you respect

24:55

, that you want to see grow the way

24:57

you grow , and then you work with them to

24:59

to make that happen . And I think that's what we need

25:01

to strive towards as we think

25:03

about competition . Strive towards

25:05

not . You can't , you should

25:07

not exclude the collaborative piece

25:10

, you know , because , again

25:12

, that's the only way we can grow as a people , and

25:15

that's a big challenge that we have . Is that

25:17

growth , you know , and that growth in

25:19

unison , you know , soft

25:21

, that's my thoughts .

25:25

When I first met Mikaela in 2014,

25:27

. We do a big pow-wow

25:29

in the New York public library

25:31

and I mean

25:33

, I'm not sure definitively

25:37

where Carry On Friends would be , but

25:39

collaborating with Mikaela since

25:42

2014-2015

25:44

, it's a completely different thing . Can

25:46

we operate by ourselves ? You're

25:48

the second guest , you're the home , you're the ha . Mikaela

25:51

said why are you fit to do this ? No

25:54

more than me . So you kind

25:56

of need that . It's like you

25:59

know , it's that , it's that , it's

26:02

that prodding , it's that pushing and

26:04

then- .

26:05

Pouring into you're pouring into each other . That's

26:07

what y'all are doing .

26:08

Yeah , so it's . I guess

26:10

. What is the mindset or how

26:12

do we help people or what can we

26:14

suggest for people to reframe how

26:17

they approach collaboration ? Because

26:19

, let's be clear , you know

26:21

, and all three of us you just thought about

26:23

it all three of us have experienced

26:25

or have been burned by collaboration

26:28

or lack thereof . We've all been

26:30

there , but that doesn't deter

26:33

us from collaborating . It

26:35

just means that , well , why is that to the

26:37

table About who

26:39

we should be collaborating with

26:41

? So let's first address people

26:44

who may have had bad experiences

26:46

with collaboration . Yo

26:49

, somebody really did them dirty and

26:51

like what can we suggest for them to start

26:53

reframing their approach

26:55

to being collaborative and just

26:58

understand that competition is

27:00

something that is just natural

27:02

. You know , if it's not the person , what are

27:04

you about ? Somebody else is going to do it , but

27:06

we can't let that stop or erase

27:08

. You know one of the first things we learned when

27:11

we start running track and field like yo

27:13

now look the LFR right , slow yourself

27:15

down , straight ahead . The finish

27:17

line is right in front of you . We are

27:19

looking for a right for you . You see a guy . Look

27:21

left . I still win .

27:26

That's because he's on another planet already . When he

27:28

takes off , he's like run

27:31

, run , run up .

27:33

So , um , Mikaela

27:35

, let's start with you .

27:37

I think you know we're having this conversation

27:40

and it's really hard , like

27:42

, let's acknowledge how

27:44

hard it is to

27:46

shift your mindset and

27:49

have the discipline to

27:51

really have a

27:54

change of thought , right

27:57

, um , I don't want to give

27:59

advice and not say that first

28:02

. It's hard and we've

28:04

all learned through experiences

28:07

. We've had bad ones

28:09

, but we also have good ones and

28:11

the mindset that you have to really

28:14

shift is how

28:16

do you want to approach it ? Right , I'm

28:19

an onion when you meet me , right , so

28:22

there are layers and levels

28:24

to which I will expose

28:27

myself and that's a defense

28:29

mechanism for me

28:31

and I but I am aware of that

28:33

. So I

28:35

have multiple conversations with

28:37

people , understand who they

28:39

are , what their goals are

28:41

and do they

28:44

truly align with

28:46

who I want to have

28:48

in my collective circle

28:50

? That will allow me

28:52

the space

28:55

and the grace to

28:57

share collectively

29:00

and not feel

29:03

like I'm I'm watching

29:06

one another . You know what I mean . Like I can

29:08

openly share ideas

29:10

, thoughts , um

29:13

, and progress

29:15

struggles with you guys

29:17

. Right , but that took a while

29:20

to get to it . You

29:22

know what I mean . Like I think that

29:24

people have to be open

29:26

to doing this process multiple

29:28

times and it's possible

29:31

that you might get burned , but it's also

29:33

possible that you might create

29:36

an organic relationship

29:39

that you will build over time . So

29:42

I think , just really acknowledging

29:44

how hard it is to come back from

29:46

a space of being burned , and

29:49

really adjusting and continue . It's

29:51

a continuous mind shift . Every day , like

29:53

every day , you have to tell yourself I'm

29:56

going to go into this or , with every , every

29:58

new connection that you make , I'm

30:00

going to go into this with a positive thought

30:03

. I'm going to go into this with a positive mind

30:05

and really see what comes

30:07

out of it . It's hard

30:09

to project all the things that

30:11

you have experienced . Um

30:14

, but take people

30:16

if people show you who they are

30:18

, believe them . So I think

30:20

that that the vibe thing

30:23

is real . Like you

30:25

know , I've been spirit in a tech year , all right , but that doesn't

30:27

mean you're a bad person . You

30:29

and I are just not in the same space

30:31

for us to be able to grow together

30:34

. That doesn't mean that you're a bad

30:36

person . That doesn't mean that

30:38

you're not making your own progress

30:40

. You are . You and I are just not

30:42

aligned to do work at this time

30:44

, and that could be okay . You

30:47

can still be in my network of people

30:49

, but that does not mean that in

30:52

my mind , you and I are going to grow

30:54

together at this point in time and

30:57

I'm not going to open the door open for future

30:59

collaborations , um

31:02

, and be open . But there are some people

31:04

who have burnt those bridges and I'm not going

31:06

back and I've already made those

31:08

decisions and I'm okay with whatever

31:11

the repercussions of those

31:13

decisions that I have made and

31:16

I I maybe I haven't had to deal with it yet

31:18

, but I will , and when it comes

31:20

, it just happens , so I'll , I'll

31:22

assess those things as they come

31:25

. Trust your gut , reveal

31:28

a little at a time and

31:30

really get to know the people that you want

31:32

to grow with on a

31:34

deeper level to understand

31:36

how can I help you , how can I assist

31:38

you ? I feel like , and having

31:40

open conversations , carrie can

31:43

tell me , be like , okay , you going

31:45

crazy . Yet you know what I mean . Yeah

31:47

, you're not thinking straight , or maybe

31:49

you are a little jealous

31:51

and it's like I

31:54

feel away . I can call Carrie

31:56

and be like I feel away today and I want to tell

31:58

you why I feel away today because XYZ

32:01

happened , but once I get it off my chest

32:03

, it's kind of like it's gone and

32:05

it's done and I don't need to

32:07

revisit it or rehash it . It

32:09

is what it is Like . What are we

32:11

going to do to kind of continue the

32:13

things that we want to grow ? But

32:16

that doesn't mean I don't get in my feelings . You

32:18

have to get in your feelings and you have to express

32:20

them . But you also have to be very self

32:22

aware of who you are , what you

32:24

want to do and how you want to grow with other

32:26

people . I know how

32:29

I want to grow with you guys , but

32:31

we just have to be on the same

32:33

page .

32:35

You said something yes

32:37

.

32:39

Dr McKayla Rose .

32:41

Two things that you said that's very important

32:44

to our relationship

32:46

, right ? One , you

32:48

have to be self-aware . Self-awareness

32:51

is key . And two , one

32:53

of the things we've said is , like , express

32:56

the emotion , don't stifle it . If

32:59

you feel away , say you feel away . We're

33:01

going to give you one stage feel

33:03

, explain why you feel away , and we say

33:05

, all right , yeah , man , all

33:07

right . Next , you know , and

33:09

we just keep moving . But I think that

33:12

for me I know that's important it's not

33:14

to pretend you don't feel away or

33:16

, you know , ignore it , it's to

33:19

state it . We know that's how you

33:21

feel and that is also

33:23

helpful . You know , you

33:25

both know how many times people

33:27

have done things to me and if you

33:30

leave it up to me in those moments , but

33:32

everything get bundled flat . Everything

33:35

done , it's done

33:37

. I don't want nothing to do with nobody

33:39

. Firebun , listen

33:41

, listen . Mckayla enters

33:44

with her soundtrack my

33:46

precious . You know , like you know , but and

33:49

I try to come face with myself .

33:51

I call me at 22 and I miss something Then

33:54

after you , so we'll forget the next message .

33:57

We'll catch it all .

33:59

Different episode , different

34:02

episode . Sorry , but

34:06

after I go through those emotions

34:09

of feeling so upset , I

34:11

go back to who I am naturally . And

34:13

this is one thing McKayla says right , you know

34:16

, if somebody do you something to the

34:18

way that you feel like you want to change yourself , you

34:20

could try to say you want to change yourself . But if

34:22

we go back to it , we go back to who we are

34:25

naturally , right , we just get over

34:27

that offense and

34:29

then we just move on right , and

34:31

it's just a skill that we've

34:34

had to learn how to deal with when

34:36

people burn us badly and

34:39

for Sitongina that is hard . And

34:42

then you know , the other

34:44

day McKayla said , but

34:46

not now going with so-and-so , you know , oh

34:48

, you remember the person . You

34:55

see , once we get over the way you're born me , we

34:58

forget both . You , like it exists , right , but

35:00

the process of forgetting or getting

35:02

over that could be days , weeks , months

35:04

, depending on how

35:07

big the offense was . So

35:09

to your point , mckayla , we're not saying this is a quick

35:11

fix . Some things take a

35:13

very long time , but when we get over them

35:15

it's as if you never existed

35:17

.

35:20

Yeah , yeah , no , I mean , I've had my

35:22

instances of first , second and

35:24

third degree burns and

35:29

yeah , it's been real . But you

35:31

know , one of the things I think you know and McKayla

35:33

, you

35:39

said it , mckayla , change right . You

35:42

know , and being honest with yourselves

35:44

about how you feel , and

35:46

understanding that this is something

35:48

that takes time , one

35:51

of the things that I think we all have

35:53

to . If we look back to

35:56

our youth growing up , you know , and

35:58

even into adulthood , we learned

36:00

the value of teamwork . You know , when you

36:02

go and get interviewed for a job , they

36:05

want to know that you're a team player and

36:08

all that you're hearing team team

36:10

, that word team is about collaboration

36:12

. So I say all that

36:14

to say that it's very important that we understand

36:17

the value of collaboration

36:20

as we embrace

36:23

competition and

36:25

then understand that in

36:28

collaborating , like you said , there

36:30

are people who you know

36:32

you just can't work with and

36:34

they'll tell . You see the signs , you feel the vibes

36:37

, you get everything , but you still want to push

36:39

past . But if you think about how

36:42

, the benefits of collaboration , you also

36:44

want to see yourself collaborating

36:46

with people who are like-minded , because

36:49

it makes no sense to collaborate with someone

36:51

who doesn't share your vision

36:53

, who doesn't share your overall

36:56

end goals or objectives , because

36:58

then it's a waste of space , it's a waste of time

37:00

, really , like if you're trying to build

37:02

a rocket ship

37:05

to go to the moon and

37:07

this other person is trying to

37:09

build something to blow up the moon , what's

37:12

the value of that collaboration

37:14

? You know , because you're trying to go out

37:16

of the moon and when you go out of the moon you get blow up . So

37:19

no , so it don't make any sense . But you're

37:21

building that rocket ship and this person

37:23

has the ability to build the thrusters , this

37:26

other person has the ability to build

37:28

, you know , paneling

37:30

to ensure that you can withstand the

37:32

atmospheric changes , and so forth , and so

37:34

on . Those collaborations will

37:36

make sense . So you have to think about who

37:39

is it that's going in

37:41

a similar direction as you , with

37:44

a similar goal , a similar objective , and

37:46

say working together makes sense . And

37:49

if we start to think about that more and

37:51

start to listen more to you

37:53

know our spirit , because that's

37:56

what it is our spirit telling us . You

37:58

know , kerry , michaela , chris , don't

38:00

work with that one , because you

38:03

know the vibes , tell you , you know .

38:05

But Kerry , go ahead . I'm sorry . No , adding

38:08

to what you said , chris , is like these

38:11

are almost like tips to being self-aware

38:13

. Why do you want this ? Why

38:16

do you want to work with this person ? What

38:18

do they have or

38:21

what do you see in them that

38:23

you would ? You want

38:26

to work with them , Like , really take stock

38:28

of your why , when

38:31

you're assessing people and

38:33

that's how you become , that's how you

38:36

practice becoming self-aware

38:38

. You like , even when

38:40

I'm in my feelings , why am I in my feelings ? Am

38:43

I truly in my feelings because

38:46

of this particular thing , or are there

38:48

other things going on ? Additionally

38:51

, when I mentioned

38:53

giving grace , it's not

38:55

just giving grace to yourself , but giving other

38:58

people grace . So Kerry says

39:00

things to me all the time , right

39:03

, and then she has to rally back six

39:06

months a year down down

39:08

down the land , down the line

39:10

, because she she's

39:13

like but Mikaela , I told you this like six

39:15

months ago , three months ago , a year

39:17

ago , and I just say , kerry , I just wasn't

39:19

ready to receive it , and

39:21

that this is the existence

39:24

of our relationship is she

39:26

is telling me do you know how long

39:28

before she told me to do a podcast

39:31

that I actually said yes , I'll do the

39:33

podcast . It was a good two years . I

39:35

wasn't ready to receive that met . So

39:37

she I can acknowledge that I wasn't

39:39

ready and she can give

39:42

me grace to say that

39:44

she's gonna figure it , she's gonna come to it

39:46

, but she lets me come to

39:48

those decisions and vice versa

39:50

. But that truly takes

39:53

a level of self-awareness . It'd

39:55

be like why , kerry , I

39:58

can't remember that conversation but it never

40:00

really link . So

40:03

even when you're meeting new people

40:05

and they are more excited than you

40:07

because of your experiences

40:09

versus theirs , you also

40:12

bring an energy to

40:14

that conversation too . So

40:16

you want to be mindful of that as

40:18

well . So you know

40:20

, have the conversations will also

40:22

be . Give yourself grace

40:24

and also assume the best

40:27

intent in others based

40:29

on what they know . Right , people

40:31

who are operating

40:34

from a space of jealousy are operating

40:36

at the space that they have the capacity for

40:38

. We have moved beyond

40:41

that space , or we are continuously

40:43

moving beyond that space , so , but we

40:45

can assume that everybody else is moving that

40:47

way too , right

40:49

, because we talk about all these industry things

40:51

, these trends and things that we see , and for the

40:53

life of us , we can't understand why

40:56

we can't get it together . Because we

40:58

see it so clearly , Everybody else

41:00

is not there yet , and it

41:02

might be that we have these collaborative

41:04

, collaborative thoughts before it's time

41:07

, or you're in a space

41:09

where you are just not thriving . You

41:11

either have to find a space to thrive

41:13

in or just shift your

41:16

mindset a little bit . It's all about

41:18

how you look at and take perspective

41:20

of where you are , where other people

41:23

are , and that takes work

41:25

.

41:26

Can I hire both of you to be

41:29

my coaches , my life coaches ?

41:31

Absolutely .

41:32

Because y'all be giving Sage

41:34

advice . You have this wisdom

41:36

. I'm serious , Like the two of us . You know

41:39

we're not my life coach , Punks

41:41

.

41:42

No , but I think , chris , you brought up

41:44

something that we have not even touched

41:47

on because it's a whole separate conversation . But

41:49

I want to share this and

41:52

then get into the work situation

41:54

. We've been talking from a content

41:56

creation space , right , but like people

41:59

who , like we , work full time jobs , right , and

42:01

you are on a team and we know

42:03

there's some some things that happen

42:06

when you work with people and people really

42:09

just try step

42:11

one , you to get to the promotion and

42:13

whatever , right , and what we're

42:15

saying in all of this I want to share

42:17

something Proverbs 22

42:20

, verse three A prudent

42:23

person , aka a wise person

42:25

, who receives danger and take

42:27

precaution , the simpleton

42:29

goes blindly on and suffers

42:31

the consequence . A different version

42:34

say right , a

42:36

prudent person sees trouble coming and

42:38

duck , a simpleton walks

42:40

in blindly and is clobbered . So

42:43

if your sister , the core worker

42:45

, is just going to backstab

42:47

and not really play good for

42:50

their advancement , then

42:52

adjust yourself accordingly . You know I can make

42:54

them know and say you know what is my

42:57

favorite saying Missou , don't want to

42:59

watch them , watch me , but we go , move accordingly

43:01

. Right , thank you , muta Baruka . Right

43:04

, right

43:06

, but you have to be . I'm

43:09

wearing another t-shirt .

43:13

Yeah , for real . That needs to be on a t-shirt .

43:15

Yes , I cannot mine , I cannot claim

43:17

it , please .

43:21

No , but you can put quote by

43:23

Muta Baruka Thank you

43:26

.

43:26

Yeah , right , she's a collaboration

43:28

, right .

43:29

Word's not like Muta Baruka , yeah

43:31

, I understand what I'm saying , but

43:33

it doesn't mean that you

43:35

are going to blindly think that everyone

43:37

is that Like , like Michaela says , when people

43:40

show you who they are , believe them so

43:42

. But you just adjust accordingly . We don't

43:44

need to announce to everybody I

43:47

see you coming for me because they might go adjust

43:49

to them game . I , you know , know what the adjustment

43:51

is . You are just . You

43:53

know . Everything has to make everybody know

43:55

. We don't have to announce everything Just

43:58

pre-quietly and just all right , missy

44:00

the flex right when

44:03

you call it tragedy . Right .

44:06

I'm saying strategy . You know what ?

44:07

I'm saying yeah , I know , I know what you mean . Right , so

44:10

strategy , right . So

44:14

we can't again . We have to

44:16

be wise . If you're wise , you're

44:18

dark . Your monks all tell you take away

44:20

yourself , but just see what they got . You

44:23

know where are you ? Where

44:25

are you ?

44:25

laughing Chris . No , Michaela said

44:27

take away yourself . But , as I say , everybody

44:30

said take away yourself . Missy , you

44:32

didn't talk to take away yourself

44:37

.

44:37

What is true is true is true , right

44:39

, like in a work situation

44:41

. It's not like . So we've been talking about

44:43

having choice to not work with people

44:45

, people who , in full-time job , don't

44:47

have that choice . You have to work

44:49

, yes , you have to work with

44:52

the enemy , right ? So if

44:54

you have to work with the enemy , just

44:56

observe , you know like let's

44:58

cue the British accent and watch

45:01

the lion on the Serengeti , and

45:03

you know you are pre and they

45:05

observe them behavior .

45:07

But you know so funny story . You

45:09

said we don't have that choice In a way . In

45:12

a way we do right In a sense that

45:15

, because when we're in a work

45:17

setting , just like life , it's

45:19

all about chess . So if you learn

45:21

how to play chess well , you

45:23

can move that person out of your way

45:25

and they don't even know it , like

45:28

you literally can eliminate that person

45:30

from your path and they don't even know it . And

45:32

I've done this so many times before

45:35

. And I'm not saying it's a fix for everybody , and

45:40

I'm not saying everybody can achieve it . What

45:43

I'm saying if we learn , go ahead , kari . I see you on .

45:46

So the next episode is the TED Talk on

45:48

how you move them out of your way .

45:50

Yeah , yeah , yeah , no , but you

45:52

know a lot of this . There's

45:54

this thing . You know we talk about the Paul of Manifestation

45:57

, right ? If you , like

45:59

you said , you don't need

46:01

to show your hand , right ? You

46:03

don't need to reveal how

46:06

that person makes you feel or anything of the sort . You

46:09

just need to make sure that

46:11

, whatever it is you're doing , you're covered . So

46:14

I have numerous instances

46:16

of people that I've worked with who try to

46:18

. They try

46:20

to just destroy me

46:23

, because that's what they feel . I'm

46:25

so much in

46:28

their way that they feel the best thing to

46:30

do is just try and just take

46:32

a mach-trop to me and drive all over me . But

46:34

they're not realizing I'm invincible , and

46:36

I'm not saying that in a cocky

46:39

or arrogant way , but I am invincible

46:41

. No weapon formed against

46:43

me shall prosper . Period , end of story . So

46:45

when I go into any room , you

46:48

know I've always been the only black face

46:50

, the black man , the only black man . No

46:52

one or two other brown faces are

46:54

in a room , but for the most part I'm always

46:57

still the only person in the room . I

46:59

know what I'm good at , I know what I'm

47:01

capable of . So how do I eliminate

47:04

those people ? It's about allies . I

47:06

make sure that I have more allies

47:09

on my side than them . So

47:11

anytime them come for me , 50

47:14

people are coming for them . So

47:16

then they're not for back down , because that

47:18

50 people say , hey , you can't

47:20

touch my youth , and

47:23

I'm dead serious . That's , that's what I've always

47:25

done . I've practiced there is power

47:27

, yeah

47:30

, there is power in alliance . That's

47:32

what we have to do . You know , I'm saying so

47:34

. So it's this , because this whole thing is warm

47:36

.

47:39

Chris is talking is true , because at

47:41

the law firm Young

47:44

associates them gang up because talk about

47:46

me , mean this , I'm not mean , but that's no

47:48

more than you can when we stop the paraliga

47:51

. Your beardy left high school yet . So I'm

47:53

gonna tell you the thing . I know , I hear it from me

47:55

. The guy runs the partner and the top

47:57

of these right and they Listen

48:00

, but I didn't have enough allies

48:02

in there to say

48:04

okay , or allies with

48:06

the power . That's a good

48:09

distinction allies with power

48:11

.

48:13

I can .

48:14

Advocate for yes and no , no , no , no

48:17

, no , no , right , but this

48:19

is a different conversation .

48:31

Cuz , listen my straight up . And now you said allies

48:33

of power . My allies are CEOs

48:36

, chairman X , evp's

48:38

and SVP . So me , no , no , no , like a

48:40

monkey ally .

48:44

But that is the next episode

48:46

. But um last thoughts on

48:48

competing , competition , reframing

48:51

our mindsets and etc . Michaela

48:54

, you go .

48:56

I Said a lot already , but I

48:58

think your mindset is really the

49:00

most important thing . Competition

49:03

is good and

49:05

to an extent , you need it to kind

49:07

of further yourself , and I

49:09

think that there is space for

49:13

competition and you

49:16

know doing your work solo , so

49:19

you can go back and forth

49:21

. I think there is a lot that

49:24

is Misunderstood about

49:26

how we view competition and , if you're

49:28

cognizant , I love this conversation

49:30

because it allows people to be

49:32

cognizant of when

49:35

they are with what as it relates

49:38

to competition and really take their own stock

49:40

and see where they are , where they

49:42

fall and how they Want to move forward

49:44

. So I really just love this

49:46

conversation . Thank you for having

49:49

me on to really talk about this and

49:51

I think you know our collective

49:53

Experiences really

49:55

add to this conversation

49:57

because they're so colorful . We've worked in

50:00

multiple industries across

50:02

multiple different platforms , so

50:04

I think that this will at least

50:07

spark Understanding and

50:09

reframing some of those stop processes

50:11

. So , chris , what are your last thoughts

50:13

?

50:14

Man , you so prim and proper . I'm just saying

50:16

, I just , I just want to be like you when I grow

50:18

up . That's all I'm saying .

50:23

I want to be like yo . I

50:25

like SVP level

50:28

you got him .

50:29

You know , you already know you got him , but real talk

50:31

, no , this , this conversation , was

50:33

very important to have and I'm glad we're having it . I'm

50:35

for competition , I'm for collaboration

50:38

. I believe in both and and

50:40

and I do believe that you know , as

50:42

you're Embarking on whatever it is

50:44

that you're doing whether it's working , a corporate job

50:46

or , you know , becoming an entrepreneur

50:49

and starting your own business you should

50:51

make a point to try to understand

50:53

, just just dissect both of

50:55

those things Collaboration and competition

50:57

and understand what they are , think about

50:59

what they mean to you and step

51:02

into it accordingly . I

51:04

believe it's healthy . I believe

51:06

, like I said , we cannot Do

51:09

what we do by ourselves . So

51:11

it's critical that you find people that you can

51:13

work with to build what it is at your building

51:15

and , ideally , when you find those

51:18

people go , don't you want ? I think

51:20

the best collaboration For

51:23

growth is when you collaborate with people

51:25

who are in the same space . You know . So

51:27

you know , if you're in media , finding other

51:30

people who are in media that you can work with , because

51:32

they understand what you're going through , they understand

51:34

the challenges that you face , they understand the highs

51:36

and the lows , the ebbs and the flows . So

51:38

why not work with them ? You know , why not

51:40

find a way to collaborate with them and still

51:43

compete ? Yo carry my like

51:45

I didn't know . Yo make you like I met up , yo

51:47

let me see if I can do this , okay , and then you work

51:49

on it and do it , and then , and then y'all talk

51:51

about it afterwards . You know I did that same

51:53

thing that you did and did it , or what would you think

51:55

? I gave me a lot of response

51:57

and and thank you for pushing

52:00

me to do this . In Competing , you

52:02

should be , you're pushing each other , you

52:04

know . So it can be done in a healthy way . Unfortunately

52:06

, some people do it in an unhealthy way

52:08

and it alienates people and it creates

52:11

contention and problems . You

52:13

want to find the people who you can

52:15

compete within a healthy way and

52:17

in and in turn collaborate with

52:19

so that you can grow together . So I'm

52:21

for it , I love it . I say let's do

52:23

it , figure out what works

52:26

for you and and move forward . And

52:28

if you need any advice , don't

52:30

call me , I'll call you . I'm just kidding . Oh

52:32

no , I'm just kidding . Kidding jokes

52:35

, jokes .

52:36

I know the best part of being

52:39

in this collective

52:41

as Individual competitors

52:44

, but collaborating is yo

52:46

, carry , I Got

52:48

an idea for you . I think you

52:50

should blah , blah , blah . This is Michaela

52:53

. Yes , yes , this

52:55

is going to work for you , right

52:57

? Those are the conversations . You could

52:59

I take it and do it ourselves , but , just like no

53:01

, this fit better with your brand

53:04

. You understand what I'm saying and

53:06

that takes a level of maturity

53:08

and self-awareness and , like yo , this

53:11

work better for you . I don't need this . And the same

53:13

thing , like yo , michaela , if I do this , chris , you're

53:15

supposed to do that . You know , boom

53:18

, yo , michaela , we can't get that

53:20

interview . Yeah , with me supper's day . Oh , I'm the

53:22

interview .

53:24

Yeah .

53:25

Chris .

53:28

Yep absolutely .

53:29

So those are fun because we have

53:31

a lot of fun working together , and

53:34

so this

53:36

is not the final conversation . We'd

53:38

love to hear your thoughts about competition

53:41

or competing or

53:43

your experiences with that . So it's

53:45

not a next , it's not

53:47

. This is a final conversation . We might pick it back

53:49

up depending on what the audience said to me

53:51

, but we're going to put a

53:53

pin right here and you

53:56

know we're short and fine . I'm at style and vibes , at

53:58

Chris Williams , at where it's at all of

54:00

the but

54:02

. Yes

54:06

, chris , but as

54:08

I love to say at the end of every episode , guys

54:10

walk good .