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Welcome to Car Stuff, a production of I

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Heart Radios. How Stuff works. Well,

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folks, by now you know what that music means.

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Welcome back to car Stuff.

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I am one of your hosts today,

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Ben Bullet, and I'm Kurt Darren and

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Kurt, I've got to tell you you and I

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are both pretty fortunate when

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it comes to our commutes in this our

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fair metropolis of Atlanta. How

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far away would you say you are from the office minute

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wise? A mile? One important distinction,

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and I recognize a local

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one. I hear one. Man, I would say

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four miles, So that would be

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between fifteen minutes and an

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hour, right depending, Because

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as we know, if

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you are like anyone else

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living in Atlanta, from the wealthiest

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person to the poorest person, the oldest

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and the youngest of drivers, then you

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are in an eternal battle with

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this city's sworn nemis. This

1:00

that is traffic. You

1:02

know. I'm not gonna leave you hanging out there, man, I

1:05

will. I'll give you my side of the story too. Right

1:08

now, I live in the same

1:10

neighborhood where our offices, and

1:13

traffic is so bad in

1:15

this neighborhood that it is honestly

1:18

faster for me to walk a lot of places

1:20

than it is to drive, especially

1:23

during rush hour, which is I think when you're four

1:25

mile commute stretches to an hour. Right

1:29

and before then, when

1:31

our office many

1:34

years ago was located in a different

1:36

neighborhood closer to downtown Atlanta,

1:39

I had a commute that could

1:41

easily stretch to an

1:43

hour and thirty minutes. And it was

1:45

one of those things where it didn't matter

1:48

what side streets I took, It didn't matter

1:51

what kind of shortcuts I used, Like

1:53

if I didn't leave by four pm,

1:56

I was just going to stay there until at least

1:58

six thirty. In

2:00

previous episodes of Car Stuff, Kurt, we've

2:03

covered different aspects of traffic, the best

2:05

worst cities for drivers, world's

2:07

largest traffic jams, on and on and on.

2:09

But today you and I are going to look at

2:11

something just a bit different. It's

2:14

a question for many of

2:16

our fellow listeners to ponder

2:19

while you are stuck in traffic,

2:21

because I was thinking about this, man, what

2:24

do you think the odds are that someone listening to

2:26

today's episode is listening while

2:28

they were in grid luck? The odds are pretty

2:30

high, do you think so? Well,

2:33

try not to let the road rage get you. Today,

2:36

we are tackling this question how

2:38

much does traffic actually

2:41

cost us here in the US, both

2:43

as individuals and as

2:46

a country. To answer that question,

2:49

we have to look like everybody knows what traffic

2:51

is, Kurt. If you and I were stuck

2:53

in traffic and someone was explaining

2:56

to us what traffic is, I

2:58

might get a little irritated it. So let's cut

3:01

past that, and let's just go to traffic

3:03

jams. And what's one of the biggest

3:06

first questions we have about them? Why are

3:08

traffic jams so prevalent. The simple

3:10

answer would be there's a lot of cars

3:12

on the road. However, there are complexities

3:15

to that. And here in Atlanta, we have eight lanes

3:17

of traffic on either side of the Inner States, and traffic

3:19

still somehow gets bottle necked.

3:22

So the jam is going to be happening

3:24

way ahead of you, probably where

3:26

two lanes maybe exit onto another interstate,

3:29

and folks wait till the last minute

3:31

to get over into those two lanes, and

3:33

someone has to hit their brakes, and basically

3:35

there's this domino effect that ripples back into

3:37

traffic and causes a jam for miles

3:40

and miles back. I guess that's the easiest everyday

3:42

example. Yeah, and then

3:44

you know, as people drive

3:47

and take the make these risky moves

3:49

to get over to the exit, accident may

3:51

happen. So then you have compounded the issue,

3:53

you have a bottleneck, and then you have an accident.

3:56

You can easily see how traffic

3:58

can get out of hand when there's a bunch of cars

4:00

on the road, So it's not just the amount of cars, it's

4:03

myriad other factors. Yeah, yeah, I like

4:05

that you're pointing out the perfect word for

4:07

this, compounding, because

4:09

just like compounding interests, those

4:12

little taps on the brake pedal add

4:15

up. There's an increational, as

4:18

you said, domino effect that applies

4:20

such that this little

4:22

tap on the brakes maybe a

4:24

short a short pause, call

4:27

it two to three seconds. Right the

4:29

car in front of you stopped suddenly,

4:32

so you have to tap your brakes just two

4:34

or three seconds, and then you all start

4:36

to roll along. I mean twenty

4:38

miles you get up to that, but everybody

4:41

behind you is also tapping

4:43

their brakes, and they have to tap them for a longer

4:46

amount of time, until you could

4:48

be as far as a mile back and everybody

4:50

has stopped This is a thing

4:53

that we can't really blame

4:55

on one person. It's a group behavior.

4:57

And things get more complicated,

5:00

and we ask why there

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are so many cars and why

5:04

are the roads overloaded despite

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the fact that we build

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so many extra lanes. Were continually

5:12

Uh, We're continually trying to make

5:14

bigger and better roads and trying to maintain

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them. Our pal, Jonathan

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Strickland is a podcaster,

5:22

longtime colleague of ours, friend of the show.

5:24

He's been on Car Stuff a number of times. He

5:27

hosts a show called tech

5:29

Stuff and a couple of other podcasts here

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at I Heart Radio. He

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also, before we even started podcasting,

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he would write articles for

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our parent website, How Stuff Works, and

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he wrote an article called how Traffic

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Works, which is a pretty good read. Don't

5:47

let him know that I said this. Jonathan

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is a pretty sharp guy, and the way

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that he breaks it down, there are two

5:54

broad concepts of play when we talk about

5:56

traffic jams. The first is network

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overload. The second is

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traffic disturbances. Network

6:04

overload. It's the fancy

6:06

phrase for the idea that we already

6:08

proposed, and that is simply

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demand and supply right demand

6:14

for room on the road supply of room

6:16

on the road, there are these bottlenecks

6:19

where traffic just inevitably seems

6:21

to exceed the road's capability

6:24

to handle cars. That happens a lot

6:26

here in Atlanta. We've got a

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bunch of two

6:30

to four lane surface streets where

6:33

a lot of people want to make left turns, but

6:36

there are no left hand turned signals.

6:39

And you probably in your

6:41

own commute have some bottlenecks that you've

6:43

run into. Oh for sure. The road that

6:45

I take home is a four lane road. There

6:47

aren't left turn lane, so it's just divided,

6:49

you know, it's like a little divided highway.

6:52

And it's a fairly major back

6:55

road into downtown Atlanta to and

6:57

from, And so as far as network

6:59

overload goes that, there's just a bunch of people trying

7:01

to get to the same place. And like

7:03

you said, problems will arise with the whole left

7:06

turn thing, and people need to get to their neighborhood

7:08

and they need to turn left to do it, and there may

7:10

or may not be a left turn ere there. So you

7:12

have cars stacking up behind this person

7:14

turning left, and then inevitably

7:16

they're gonna want to get over into the right lane to ease

7:19

around the person turning left. It's that ripple

7:21

effect. It just goes back and back, and then then

7:23

you put other stoplights into the equation.

7:26

That's a mess. Yeah, and think about this hypothetical

7:29

moment. Let's put ourselves in this situation. So

7:31

you're trying to get around someone who

7:34

is making a left hand turn. You see

7:36

a space that opens up right

7:38

in the right lane, and you can accelerate

7:40

and escape this congestion. The

7:43

person behind you can accelerate a

7:45

few minutes later, the person behind

7:47

them can accelerate a few moments after

7:49

that. Right these other people in the right lane that

7:51

you you got in front of. This

7:54

doesn't mean the congestion immediately

7:56

clears up, although it feels like it

7:58

does, because we're generally looking

8:01

forward in our cars. Behind

8:04

us, this problem

8:06

is just traveling in the other directions, traveling

8:09

behind us this congestion. And

8:11

this is something called the traffic

8:13

wave effect. Imagine the

8:15

domino effect on wheels, but

8:17

also the escalating agglomerative

8:20

nature of the snowball effect, where

8:22

the problem worsens the further and

8:24

further it goes. So that's

8:26

the first thing, network overload.

8:29

Second thing, traffic disturbances

8:31

are exactly what they sound like, right, that

8:34

is a broad term. Immediately my mind

8:36

goes to accidents, fender benders,

8:38

things of that nature, sometimes caused

8:41

by the network overload itself. Yeah,

8:44

that's that's the thing that I think most

8:46

of us think of right now. And going back

8:48

to you listener there in

8:50

traffic, I'm sure that

8:53

if you live in a city like ours, in

8:55

your commute, you will see at least

8:58

one or two acts, dents

9:00

hopefully everyone's okay, or breakdowns,

9:03

you know, a flat tire, overheated

9:05

engine, something like that. You

9:07

will also see road construction

9:10

and repair that counts as a traffic

9:12

disturbance. And you'll see

9:14

harsh weather conditions,

9:16

which you know, our city gets a hard time

9:18

for because it just takes a little

9:20

bit of snow and the city

9:23

shuts down. When was that two thousand

9:25

fourteen, they called it the snow

9:27

apocalypse. Yeah,

9:29

we can't. The thing about traffic disturbances

9:32

that differentiates them from network

9:34

overload is that we

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can, with enough study and analysis,

9:40

understand and predict network

9:42

overload these inevitable bottlenecks,

9:44

But we cannot predict traffic

9:47

disturbances. Although

9:49

we cannot predict traffic disturbances,

9:51

we can say that they always

9:53

spell problems for commuters.

9:56

No one is ever driving down a

9:58

six lane highway

10:01

to see two of the lanes in their direction

10:03

closed off and going, oh, great, construction,

10:06

awesome. You know, I'm harping on Atlanta

10:08

because that's where we have our

10:10

daily driving experience. But no one

10:13

in this city sees those famous

10:15

metal plates on the road and says, oh

10:17

great, what a good job.

10:20

I'm starting to get the feeling that they're more

10:22

of a permanent fix than a temporary fix.

10:24

But this is a giant metal plate that's placed

10:26

over a hole for an indefinite amount of time

10:29

that the county city d O

10:31

T makes in the road, and

10:34

you don't really want to hit it going full speed,

10:36

so it's a slow down and

10:39

thus the domino effect behind you will take

10:41

place. But these appear all over the place,

10:43

and often unannounced. I mean, you hit

10:45

it one time and you know it's there, but

10:48

the first time to me is always a surprise. There's actually one

10:50

right at the entrance to my neighborhood, so flied

10:54

over that on my way home. Um

10:57

one other sidebar. Don't mean to throw

10:59

us too far off, but I

11:01

finally saw this phenomenon

11:04

a couple of weekends ago, and it

11:06

was a rainy Sunday. I was driving

11:09

down five, Interstate

11:11

five that goes around Atlanta, and um,

11:13

I'm driving and I see a pair of headlights

11:16

coming in my direction. Yes,

11:19

so I finally saw the phenomenon of the car driving

11:22

down the wrong side of the interstate, which happens

11:25

more than you think two eighty five.

11:27

I don't even know how this car got Holy

11:30

smokes, that's

11:33

fast and furious level dangerous.

11:36

Yeah. Yeah, So the rest of the day, I'm checking the news

11:38

to see what happened with this going

11:40

down the wrong side of five. They never heard

11:42

anything of it. Again, were they in

11:44

this slow? I mean, what do you think this?

11:49

Get this? This person was in the

11:52

left shoulder. There's maybe

11:55

a eight or nine foot retaining

11:57

wall concrete the in between

11:59

that in the left lane, and they were going

12:02

fairly quickly. I guess they realized

12:04

they were going the wrong way. That's why they weren't on the road.

12:07

I don't even know how you get off from

12:10

the left lane going the wrong way. I just don't

12:12

know how. I don't know how you get on and

12:15

then from there, I know how you would get off.

12:17

Yeah, because you get off, you have to cut across the

12:20

entirety of traffic

12:22

in that direction, which is a

12:25

six lanes maybe this is right there

12:27

at spaghetti junction area.

12:31

So that first off, I'm glad you're okay.

12:34

Uh. Secondly, everybody

12:36

listening, please please please

12:38

pay attention to the wrong way signs.

12:40

I know, traffic signs can seem overall

12:43

kind of negative. It's you know, no

12:46

turn here, no you turn wrong

12:48

way, that kind of stuff. Really, if you think

12:50

about it, the only positive traffic sign

12:53

is the one that says keep going. Just

12:58

the steer us back on horse here. Um.

13:02

So, traffic signs, that's one thing that

13:04

could um alleviate some of this

13:06

network overload that we were talking about.

13:09

D O T and work crews do their best

13:11

to alert people to oncoming

13:13

construction. So you know, two miles

13:16

ahead to two left

13:18

lanes closed, right lanes close ahead.

13:20

Yeah, days ahead. Even even with accidents,

13:22

you have the signs accidents

13:24

center lane three miles before

13:26

this exit. Why

13:29

do folks wait till the last minute

13:31

to get over I'm

13:34

gonna give the benefit of the downton to the driver

13:36

and say they were focused so much on what they were doing that

13:38

they didn't see the sign. You know, they're looking

13:40

at the road, eyes forward, just

13:42

paying attention because there's a lot going on. However,

13:45

if you move over early, it releases

13:48

some of this stop and go attention that we

13:50

feel that gets escalated the further back you

13:52

go down the road. I completely agree with your with

13:54

what you're saying, but I think for some people

13:56

they feel that if they get over

13:58

to the right because the left lane is closed or something

14:01

two miles ahead, they feel like

14:03

they're getting in a longer

14:06

line and it's gonna be slower and they

14:08

should just push the issue, drive as

14:10

close to the closure as possible,

14:12

zip in at the last second. It's also

14:15

true, technically traffic is better for everyone

14:17

if every driver practices the

14:19

zipper merge. But the zipper

14:22

merge doesn't happen in Atlanta.

14:24

Atlanta is a very difficult city

14:26

to drive in because,

14:29

for some reason, people who drive

14:31

here, and honestly myself included,

14:33

I'm not going to throw stones in this glasshouse. For

14:36

some reason, all of us have

14:38

this sort of mad Max mentality

14:40

when it comes to the road and I know the

14:43

road that you take home, dude, I

14:45

have been on that road. I used to have that commute.

14:47

People are monsters on that one

14:50

windy and they're very close lanes.

14:52

They're not as wide as a lot of other

14:54

streets here in Atlanta. What does this

14:57

all mean? How does this work out? We

15:00

a stat for you. According to the two thousand

15:02

and seven Urban Mobility Report

15:04

from the Texas Transportation Institute,

15:08

traffic incidents counted for between

15:10

fifty two and fifty eight percent of

15:12

the delays we all experience in

15:14

traffic. What that means is, while

15:16

there may be these unavoidable

15:19

bottlenecks, you know what I mean, like two

15:22

interstate exits that are very close

15:24

to one another, exited entrance ramps,

15:26

and you know something where everybody has to try to

15:28

go left while everybody's trying to go right. While

15:31

those bottlenecks do exist, more

15:33

than half of the reasons that we have

15:36

traffic jams are going to be those

15:38

traffic incidents, road construction

15:41

accidents, breakdowns, things

15:43

like that. However, there's another factor

15:45

at play here, and this comes to us from

15:48

a private industry traffic

15:50

analysts called en rics

15:52

I n R i X. This

15:54

was referenced in another House of Works

15:57

article by our contributing writer

15:59

Sharre three Wit, who is a

16:02

top notch expert on all things automotive.

16:05

So in Rex has their own term

16:08

for a network overload. It's a traffic hot

16:10

spot. According to in

16:12

Rex, these traffic hot spots

16:15

are responsible for huge amounts

16:18

of traffic congestion and huge

16:20

amounts of lost cash.

16:23

We know a little bit about

16:26

how they started to break

16:28

down the concept of traffic

16:30

and how they ultimately arrived at

16:33

a financial answer, So

16:35

we're gonna walk through how they figured

16:37

out what a traffic hot spot was, how they

16:39

analyzed it, and then ultimately

16:43

how much it costs. In two thousand and seventeen,

16:45

Rics launched a US transportation

16:48

study. They called it the Health

16:50

of the Road. So they had to define what a hot

16:52

spot was. Um Interrics used

16:54

a cloud based traffic analysis tool called

16:56

Roadway Analytics. They analyzed

16:58

the areas with frequent track jams, and

17:01

they narrowed those down to spots where

17:03

the speeds were typically observed to

17:05

drop below six pc of normal

17:08

of the non congested speed for at least

17:10

two minutes. If, for instance, they're

17:12

looking at a road where the speed limit is fifty

17:14

five, if it drops below

17:18

of that from more than two minutes. It's a traffic

17:20

hot spot, right, yeah, yeah, in a hot spot,

17:23

traffic will slow less than half its usual

17:25

pace. And the study also looked at the economic

17:27

costs in terms of wasted time, lost

17:30

fuel, and carbon emissions over the next

17:32

decade. So that kind

17:34

of describes what they consider to

17:36

be cost. I guess because we have cost

17:39

on our you know, well being

17:41

as well being. Sure, yeah, it's

17:44

a yeah, it's a it's an umbrella term.

17:46

Well, here's where the rubber hits the road,

17:48

folks and the nation's wallet. If

17:51

you live near a city

17:54

and you also drive a car, you can't do

17:56

very much to avoid traffic. It's just there

17:58

with you. It's gonna follow you like a shadow. A

18:01

two thousand seven studies showed that in

18:03

twenty eight urban areas across

18:05

the US, drivers spend

18:07

get this, an entire work week's

18:10

worth of time sitting in traffic

18:13

each year. So that means for

18:15

almost thirty cities in the US,

18:18

you're losing an entire week,

18:21

five days of your

18:23

life sitting in your

18:25

car. So, you know, make sure you have a comfortable

18:28

one, make sure you have a reliable one, make

18:30

sure you can listen to podcast while you're

18:32

driving. The

18:39

worst example we found was Los

18:41

Angeles. In Los Angeles, drivers

18:44

lose almost two weeks a year

18:46

to traffic, and this

18:49

does have serious consequences. I'm glad

18:51

you mentioned people's personal well being here, Kurt.

18:55

It's tough to put a price on that, but we

18:57

can estimate the cost of traffic

19:00

through a couple of different lenses. In

19:02

two thousand five, the estimated

19:04

cost of traffic to the nation was

19:07

more than seventy eight billion in

19:10

fuel and wasted time alone.

19:12

So that's like, we take the average income

19:15

of someone you know for a work week,

19:17

and then we say, well, this is

19:19

the money that could have been made if they

19:22

weren't stuck in their vehicle.

19:25

And then we also say this is the amount

19:27

of you know, like, this is the price for gallon of fuel,

19:30

how many cars were delayed? This how much the

19:32

fuel cost. Add those numbers together

19:34

and get seventy eight billion. It's missing

19:37

important things. Doesn't factor in stuff

19:39

like damage to the environment possibly

19:41

still kind of hard to quantify, And it

19:43

doesn't factor in health cost,

19:46

whether that is your physical health

19:48

or your mental health, you know what I mean. I'm

19:51

sure there have been a couple of people who

19:53

went to a therapist or something because

19:55

of their road range. And what about wear

19:58

and tear on the roads are

20:00

you could call? Yeah, So Americans

20:02

bought two point nine billion extra

20:04

gallons of gas because of traffic congestion

20:07

than two thousand and five. And the average

20:09

annual cost to an individual driver was

20:12

seven ten dollars. And that's just

20:14

due to the extra time

20:16

he spent on the road because of congestion. Yeah,

20:19

and let's go back to in RECs, let's look at let's

20:21

drill down into a specific example.

20:25

In RECs found that the single worst

20:28

traffic hot spot in the country,

20:30

the single worst network overload

20:32

instance or bottleneck, is near

20:35

Fredericksburg, Virginia. It's

20:37

on Interstate South at

20:40

exit one thirty three A.

20:42

And technically,

20:46

I don't know it's true, but technically that means

20:48

that if you are stuck in traffic

20:50

right now and listening to this

20:52

show, you have a higher than average

20:55

likelihood of being gridlocked

20:57

there at South exite. Anybody

21:00

who's been through that, right to us, I

21:02

mean right to us when you're not driving, let us

21:05

know if this thing is

21:07

as much of a bruiser as it sounds.

21:10

Because in Fredericksburg, Virginia.

21:13

At that one spot. In the entire

21:15

country, drivers are losing

21:17

an estimated two point

21:20

three billion dollars

21:22

through twenty six. Two

21:24

point three billion dollars one

21:27

stretch of Interstate Exit

21:30

one thirty three A

21:32

two point three billions. That's crazy, and

21:34

the numbers get higher to right. In conclusion,

21:36

the report said that across

21:38

all twenty five cities that they studied, traffic

21:41

hot spots will cost drivers four hundred and eighty

21:43

billion dollars during the next ten years and

21:45

lost time, wasted fuel, and carbon admitted.

21:48

When that is broadened out across

21:50

the country as a whole, the cost of

21:52

these hot spots is expected to reach Kurt

21:55

Kirk Kirk, can we get a drum roll real

21:57

quick? Yes? Yes,

22:04

So the cost of these hot spots is expected

22:06

to reach two point two trillion

22:08

dollars. That's trillion with

22:10

a t two point to

22:13

trillion dollars. Is

22:15

that even real money? At that point? I

22:17

can't, I can't. Are there trillionaires?

22:20

Is there someone with a trillion dollars?

22:24

And that is a

22:27

real number, two point two trillion

22:29

dollars. That's the answer to today's episode.

22:33

If you look at the cost of

22:36

lost time waste. If fuel carbon

22:38

admitted from now to it's

22:41

going to hit two point to

22:44

trillion dollars in expenses.

22:46

And of course that is an

22:49

incomplete number. We can't

22:51

put a genuine hard

22:53

number on the quality of

22:55

time loss to traffic, right

22:58

because we can say a work week. We can a

23:00

person makes so and so per

23:02

hour or per year and do the math that

23:04

way, But we can't put a price

23:07

on the time that drivers

23:09

could be spending with their family, their

23:12

friends, their loved ones. We can't put

23:14

a price on, you know, the

23:16

cost of going to a psychiatrist

23:19

because of your traffic nightmares.

23:21

And of course I don't know if we

23:23

can, but we have not yet put an annual

23:26

cost on the court cases for

23:29

road rage. Hopefully we're kidding, but

23:31

you know there's stuff we can't price out right,

23:33

and that at risk of driving

23:35

in congested areas is Yeah.

23:38

We didn't even mention the cost

23:40

of insurance, which changes based

23:42

on where you live, and a lot of that is due

23:44

to you know, reports the crime or accidents.

23:47

Right, So there

23:50

ends our story. Hopefully

23:53

the congestion that you were in while you were

23:55

listening to today show has eased up.

23:57

A bit you're getting back up to

24:00

you've made it through your local

24:02

traffic hot spot, and you've only

24:05

paid a bit of that two point two

24:07

trillion dollars in lost time.

24:10

And this ends our episode, but not our show.

24:13

We want to know your traffic

24:15

war stories. What is the worst traffic

24:18

jam you've ever been

24:20

in? Briefly, let's see.

24:22

I think the worst one that I

24:24

was ever in probably

24:28

was about not

24:31

too bad. Actually it's about four hours. It

24:33

was about four hours I got stuck in traffic on

24:37

an interstate where

24:39

there was a major accident, and I

24:41

was I was really irritated about it until

24:45

in the distance, like

24:48

several miles ahead, I saw a

24:50

helicopter taking off, and I realized

24:52

that whoever was in that accident,

24:55

it was getting a life flight to a hospital.

24:58

And that put things in perspective that I mean, think,

25:00

you know what, being four hours

25:02

late or being held up like that is

25:05

still better than being

25:07

in a terrible accident,

25:09

So everybody stays safe. I don't know, Kurt,

25:11

do you have any crazy traffic on

25:13

that one the longest I've ever spent in

25:16

a traffic jam, and additional to the time that

25:18

it would have taken together there was maybe a couple hours, and

25:20

it was in the DC area. Yeah, that's

25:23

four hours is pretty intent. You were driving

25:25

in d C man through d and

25:30

the road is a disaster. It's

25:32

crazy up through there. Oh that's

25:35

the last thing. Oh I have to mention. Okay,

25:38

I don't know if anybody else does this, but

25:41

when I'm driving, I

25:43

am pretty I'll

25:45

be pretty forgiving or judgmental

25:48

based on the county and

25:50

the state of license plates in

25:52

our city. If I see someone making a foolish

25:55

left hand turn and their

25:57

license plate tells me that they're from out of town,

26:00

I get it. You may not know that

26:02

that became a turn lane. You may not know

26:04

there wasn't interns that kind of stuff because

26:06

you're unfamiliar. But if I see somebody

26:09

with city plates and

26:11

they are doing something

26:14

shy sty, they're driving

26:17

poorly, then they're doing it on very

26:20

much. I'm back to mad Max. Yeah, and

26:22

they shall be judged. I'm

26:24

with you on that always. So

26:27

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26:29

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