0:00

Welcome to Car Stuff, a production

0:02

of I Heart Radio's How Stuff Works. Hi,

0:07

and Welcome to Car Stuff. I'm your host Scott Benjamin,

0:10

and I am Kurt Garren. You know, I'm super

0:12

excited about this show this week because

0:14

we've got a topic that's got a lot of meat to it and

0:16

something that I think that is gonna be just right

0:19

for conversation between the two of us, because we both

0:21

have an interest in this sort of thing anyway, Um,

0:23

you know, a little bit of track driving, a little bit of uh,

0:25

a little thrill seeking. I guess maybe we're both

0:28

kind of not adrenaline junkies,

0:30

but we both like to uh, kind of test the limits

0:32

of our vehicles kind of you know, just get

0:34

out there and have a little bit of fun in them. And I think

0:36

this is something that a lot of people can relate to.

0:38

Maybe not a lot of people have done this in the past,

0:41

of course, I think we're gonna find very few of

0:43

our listeners have actually done this. But there

0:45

are a couple of examples that that I'll tell

0:47

you about in just a moment. So let's just jump right into

0:49

it and I'll tell our listeners what we're gonna be talking

0:51

about today, And it was kind of a question

0:53

that I had, and it's something that I know

0:56

I've voiced on my other show on

0:58

car stuff in the past, and and I

1:00

think I've maybe answered a little bit and and

1:02

we've even discussed this track, and I'll

1:06

get to all of this, you understand it just a

1:08

moment. But my question is about

1:10

the nerber Ring, and the nerber Ring

1:12

has, in the past, i don't know, decade

1:14

or maybe even twelve fifteen years,

1:17

seem to be the place that manufacturers

1:19

have taken their automobiles to

1:21

test the limits, to see how fast they can

1:24

lap the Nerburgring. And there's a

1:26

specific part of the nerber Ring that they do

1:28

this in. There's it's it's a it's a

1:30

certain loop that they tested on. We'll talk about

1:33

what it is. Is it's kind of like a level playing

1:35

field for all manufacturers to

1:37

be able to go and say, we can run

1:40

this track at this speed in

1:42

this amount of time in this car, and

1:45

that's why our car is the best. And if

1:47

you think you can top it, go do it. Yeah.

1:49

And it offers a bunch of different types of conditions

1:52

as well through the surface of the course

1:54

and the terrain weather

1:57

and all sorts of other obstacles

1:59

that may get interesting and kind of like

2:01

a something something to brag about. Oh

2:03

absolutely, we'll we'll talk about all of this

2:05

because there's some really there's believe

2:07

it or not. Even the weather is a fascinating topic

2:10

on this track, and so as the like the

2:12

surface material because it changes

2:14

over over time, over distance rather

2:17

And maybe one of the coolest things about

2:19

this is that you can go and drive on this

2:21

track if you just have a few dollars

2:23

in your pocket. It doesn't really cost that much money.

2:25

It's officially a toll road. And I

2:27

know I'm probably not giving anything away by saying

2:29

that right now. And man, there's some fascinating

2:32

things that go along with this whole thing. Now, now

2:34

here's a little bit of background, and I want

2:36

to temper this with this thought. There's

2:38

a car stuff episode on the Nurburgring, and

2:41

we went through a lot of history. We went through

2:44

the details of how they've modified the track,

2:46

and you know, like you know, the different curves and all

2:48

that stuff and and the barriers,

2:50

and you're just a lot of information about the

2:53

track itself. So there's a ton of

2:55

history, there's a ton of material there about

2:57

Grand Prixs or you know about Grand Prix racing

3:00

about um, you know, the switchover to Formula

3:02

one and all of that. It's all there.

3:05

So I don't want to I don't want to double up on too much

3:07

of that. And I know that's tough not to step on that.

3:09

So we're gonna We're gonna have a little bit of overlap,

3:11

but not a whole lot. Now, there's a few things that I

3:13

do I do feel like we need to repeat.

3:16

This is just because there's some really interesting

3:18

things about this track that I think are important.

3:21

And one number one, probably

3:23

the most important thing that we need to

3:25

know about this track is that it's insanely

3:28

dangerous. Insanely dangerous.

3:30

I mean, it really is. And it was designed a

3:33

long long time ago. I think the track was built in

3:35

what and

3:38

it's like it's a huge, huge

3:40

track. It's it's what UM well, in

3:42

its current uh form,

3:45

I think that the overall lap, if you uh,

3:47

the nord Schlift or nord Schleef

3:49

that we're gonna talk about, which is the North Loop UM

3:52

is about fourteen It's over fourteen

3:55

miles, right, okay, so over a hundred

3:58

yeah, oh yeah, that's right. That's that's another

4:00

important point. This is a this is of course that goes through

4:02

the mountains. Yeah, i'd I'd like to see what

4:05

the elevation changes. I think the course

4:07

of a lot. I think that I think that I read somewhere

4:09

that the elevation change is over a thousand

4:12

feet between the start and

4:14

finish of the of the track. So really

4:16

an interesting track. It's it's fascinating. What

4:18

do you say, A hundred and fifties some turns,

4:21

they had more, they tried to make it safer

4:24

and uh. And that's partly due to Jackie

4:27

Stewart. Uh. In fact, it's it's

4:29

mostly due to Jackie Stewart and a lot

4:31

of other F one drivers that got together and

4:34

said, we are actually they're actually gonna boycott

4:37

this race if they didn't make some

4:39

changes. And this this wasn't always the case because

4:42

early on, you know, Formula one, it was it

4:44

was a little bit different. It was it was it was fast,

4:46

sure, but it wasn't quite as fast

4:48

and it wasn't quite as dangerous

4:50

as it was in the late nineteen sixties.

4:53

And when they started adding some wings

4:55

to the cars and we're at a little more down

4:57

force, so you know where the car stuck to the track

5:00

exactly, and so when they when they would

5:02

go over some of the more I guess pronounced

5:05

elevation quick elevation changes,

5:07

maybe the car would get lighter than than it

5:09

should have been or yeah, that was I was just

5:11

trying to figure out why the drivers were

5:14

so afraid of this particular track, and that's

5:16

all I could come up with. Well, see, the course got

5:18

it wasn't that the course changed, of course, you know

5:20

that is the same as it always exactly.

5:23

Yeah, the cars got faster and the car has

5:25

changed. They're probably more dependent on air

5:28

flowing flowing around it in a

5:30

certain way. Absolutely, they're not. Cars

5:32

aren't supposed to get too far off

5:34

the correct surface. Yeah, exactly right.

5:36

Cars are designed to be on the track surface. And we've

5:39

talked about this with you know, the thrust SSC and

5:41

you know all the other cars that are going fast

5:44

and essentially every car that we talked about so far

5:46

on the fast track. Um. But cars

5:48

are designed to stay low, to

5:50

stay kind of stuck to the ground. The faster

5:52

you go, the more down force they have to have in order

5:55

to stay on the ground. And what happens

5:57

is that there's some dramatic elevation changes,

5:59

and whether it's just a little rise or

6:02

um, you know, it's like you're coming over a crest

6:04

and you can't see what's going on on the other

6:06

side of it, UM and it drops right off.

6:08

At this point, the cars were going so fast that they

6:10

were becoming airborne. And part of the problem

6:13

was that with the way that the down force was

6:15

UM designed, I guess on these cars it

6:18

was meant to act like a reverse wing to push the car

6:20

down. So when you get air underneath the

6:22

car, it acts in the opposite

6:24

way. It acts like it's gonna want to lift off.

6:26

And we've seen that in recent years

6:28

of course with Lama and you know other tracks as

6:31

well. It's not just it's not just the nerbor

6:33

Ring, but but tracks where cars

6:35

become airborne. These road courses

6:37

are really really dangerous for drivers

6:40

that are going super super fast and

6:42

UM. Back then, you know, back in the late six nineteen

6:44

sixties, Jackie Stewart was saying

6:46

that at the time, and I think I've mentioned

6:49

this another podcast even you know they f one podcast

6:51

is that you know a lot of his friends were

6:53

dying on this on this on these circuits,

6:56

on these Grand Prix circuits, and the Nerburgring

6:58

was especially dangerous. In fact um,

7:00

one of the facts that came out of the Last Car Stuff

7:02

episode, and I think it was something that Bennett mentioned, is that

7:05

this is hard to believe. And I don't know where he dug

7:07

this up, but I do remember him saying this that F

7:10

one drivers had a two thirds

7:12

chance over five years of competition

7:15

that they would be killed in competition

7:17

in five years. Two thirds

7:19

chance. That's sixty six percent chance that you

7:21

would die in a race if

7:23

you raced for five years or longer in

7:26

F one competition at the time. And this is like,

7:28

you know, during the late nineteen sixties,

7:30

early nineteen seventies. So Jackie

7:32

Stewart had a very valid point, you know,

7:34

he said, you know, I'm I'm losing I'm losing friends

7:37

every weekend on these tracks. Safety

7:39

has got improved in some way. Let's start with cars,

7:42

of course, but let's move on to you

7:44

know, safety equipment and tracks and everything.

7:46

So he wanted improvements everywhere the

7:48

Nurburgring. They respond They changed

7:50

a lot of the a lot of the track, you know, they slowed

7:53

down some of the corners and you know, it made

7:55

it a little bit safer in a lot of ways, and there's a lot

7:57

of ways they can design corners to make them

7:59

a little bit better. But overall, still

8:01

the Nurburgring is just an inherently

8:04

dangerous course for a lot of reasons. And I

8:06

think you you already know a couple of reasons. Why,

8:08

Yeah, yeah, I think I know what you're trying to get a I

8:11

mean the fact that the track is kind of laid right

8:13

on top of these extremely rolling

8:15

hills in the middle of a forest.

8:18

Um, it's a lot narrower than a

8:20

lot of modern day race tracks are designed

8:22

to be, the surfaces different, the

8:24

weather conditions are different, and then just

8:27

the general speed at what you're going Um,

8:29

of course is designed at a time

8:31

when cars didn't see speeds like they

8:33

see now. Sure they were fast, but they weren't quite

8:35

as fast as they were in the sixties and seventies.

8:38

And then even now, I mean they're they're incredibly

8:40

fast. You know, I think I want to mention this right now, if that's

8:42

all right, I want to take just a second to say

8:44

that I think the last German Grand Prix

8:47

that was run at the Nurburgring.

8:49

And that's very specific. Well we'll talk about that in a second.

8:51

But the last one that was running at the Nurburgring was

8:55

and uh, you know, of course there were other during

8:57

Grand Prix. I mean, the latest one was in twenty

9:00

eighteen, I believe, right, or was there one in En

9:02

There might have been one. They

9:05

all right, um, but but yeah, they kind of like

9:08

skip around. So it's not always run at

9:10

hockenheim Ring or at um you

9:12

know, the Nurburgring. It's kind of a mix

9:15

of the two, or sometimes it's just not even either

9:17

one of those, you know, depending on whether they're gonna

9:19

run something else. Um. You

9:21

know, you mentioned one thing here that another

9:24

thing that I need to mention real quick. The

9:26

weather. The weather is

9:28

a huge factor in this. Now, this

9:30

course is so large that there is

9:33

a there there's a town in the middle of the track.

9:35

I mean, there are people that live there. There residents

9:37

that live there throughout the year. There's

9:40

a castle in the middle of the track. That's

9:42

how big this is. And all of the you know,

9:44

the the surrounding property I mean, and the castle

9:46

goes back to like the eleven hundreds or something

9:49

like that. Goes back a long long way.

9:51

I mean it's an old, old castle. Of course. If

9:53

you ever look at any bit of footage that is maybe

9:55

shot where you know there's an airplane

9:57

fly over, the track itself

9:59

is beautiful track. I mean you

10:01

would you would just kind of your mouth with

10:03

water wanting to get onto this track and drive

10:06

it because it's such an interesting looking

10:08

track. It looks beautiful, really it does. And

10:10

that's why Jackie Stewart decided he was going to

10:12

call it the Green Hell because he feared

10:14

it, but it was also beautiful and it was

10:17

green, and you know, the trees are right nearby.

10:19

There's a great sensation of speed and

10:21

everything. But the weather is something

10:23

that you really have to factor into this thing

10:25

because it could be pouring

10:28

rain on one part of the course and the other part could

10:30

be completely dry and sunny. And we've seen Sir

10:32

Jackie Stewart talk about this and

10:34

he one one scene is one where he

10:36

was in a rolls Royce and he's still

10:39

in his his his garb right his

10:41

his his fire suit on and yeah, I think

10:43

a little yeah, I

10:45

think they picked him up in the pits and said, hey, Jackie,

10:47

let's go out and talk about the course a little bit.

10:49

Here. We happen to have this Rolls Royce for

10:51

you, you know, as a convertible, very nice, perfect

10:54

Yeah, that's right, did no problem. Maybe

10:57

maybe it was even his who knows. Um, Yeah, he's

10:59

driving the track and he's discussing

11:02

what some of the surface changes are like and

11:04

what some of the weather changes are like. From what I gather

11:06

from what Stewart said was that the different

11:09

types of pavement hold water different

11:11

besides the fact that one lap it may not

11:14

be raining, and then the next time you come through a certain

11:16

section that had rained or is currently raining,

11:19

the weight water drains off of the track

11:21

is different as well, So some spots that

11:23

will dry out quicker and some spots

11:25

that will dry out slower. And then water running

11:27

across the track in a certain way creates

11:29

little streams, so

11:32

that if you can imagine flying over a hill and

11:34

then setting up for a turn right after

11:36

you jump over this little rise and then it

11:38

being wet on the other side, you know, you can

11:41

imagine how tricky and the I

11:43

guess just generally sketchy this particular

11:46

track can get when you're racing on it. Yeah,

11:48

and it wasn't wet the previous lap, so

11:50

you know, the things change on this course over

11:53

the course of one lap. It's just it's fascinating

11:55

to me that you know, there there is a weather

11:58

factor as well in this and it it almost reminds

12:00

me a little bit of um, you know, like Pike's

12:02

Peak or something like that, where you might you might encounter

12:05

a date with sunshine and warm weather at the bottom,

12:07

you get to the top and there's a blizzard

12:09

practically going on. Um it's similar to that

12:11

or well, that's why it maybe the ultimate

12:14

test track in a way. A lot of conditions

12:16

are different. Road surfaces are different.

12:18

There's concrete slabs, there's bank turns,

12:21

uphill downhill, suspension

12:23

gets light, gets heavy, like you

12:25

mentioned, It's just it's a place where everybody

12:28

could go and kind of see what they

12:30

have. You know what. I love the idea

12:32

that you know, everybody's kind of got their own opinion

12:34

about what this course is all about. Like

12:36

the drivers do a lot of them are I

12:39

think a lot of them are afraid of it. And I don't think there's

12:42

anything wrong with that, or at least uh, there's

12:44

a level of respect about

12:46

the course. Well you know honestly.

12:48

Yeah, yeah, I guess maybe the respect is a better

12:51

way to say it. I mean to say they're afraid of it. I

12:53

mean they do it anyway because they've got nerves

12:55

of steel, right. I think I would be afraid of

12:57

it, really if I had to go out and do that. Of course, the first

12:59

time I assume that rookies are afraid of

13:01

it, probably I'm as sure. I'm sure

13:03

that they are. But Jackie Stewart, he said, um

13:05

in in one of those laps, you know he has he does have

13:07

great respect for the course. He does, and I

13:10

think he has a little bit of fear for of it

13:12

because it is a kind of scary thing to drive.

13:14

You never know if you're gonna make it back. He said. He always

13:17

every time he left to go to the German Grand

13:19

Prix at the nurburg Ring, he would stop

13:21

at the end of his driveway, look back at his house,

13:23

kind of like one long moment,

13:26

and then leave. And he said, because I never knew

13:28

if I was ever going to come home from that race. Because that's

13:30

not dangerous it was. And he said,

13:33

while he was driving this thing, he said, you know, I drive

13:36

this at speed, I'm going a hundred and seventy five

13:38

miles an hour on this course at the time

13:40

he was this is back in again in the late sixties,

13:42

hundred seventy five miles an hour. He said,

13:45

you know, when I if I really were ever to walk

13:47

this course, if I would ever just like really take

13:50

in that, you know, there's no guardrail

13:52

here, and over here there's you know,

13:54

just pine trees, and you know

13:56

over in this area here, like if I go off, I'm

13:58

going into a stream, you know that kind of

14:00

thing. He said, if I ever, if I ever really just took

14:02

all that in, I probably would

14:05

never drive here ever again. I'd never raced

14:07

his course. And uh, and I think he's

14:09

got a point. He said, the less he knows about the course,

14:11

the better, and that he just knows I gotta

14:13

go fast and turn left right there, right right

14:15

there, and aim for that tree so that I can hit

14:17

the carousel in the right spot. And it's just

14:20

he knew the course really well. But

14:22

he said, the less he knew about

14:24

the surrounding part of the course,

14:27

you know, the the dangerous part, like if you were to go off

14:29

course, the better off he was. Yeah,

14:31

so he had he did have a healthy respect for it,

14:33

and you know, I think there's more, there's

14:36

more to it. You know, we listened to

14:38

UM some audio from Boris said

14:41

who is also he's a legendary

14:44

road racing driver as well. You can look up

14:46

this interview if you want on YouTube. You can

14:48

find the entire Boris said, UM

14:50

discussion, it's I think it's got

14:53

the title is long. It's it's it's UM Steve

14:55

Littart's podcast. Yes, it's he's

14:57

a he's a he was a crew chief in NASCAR

14:59

for are several drivers. It's Steve

15:02

Lettart on Location and that's his podcast,

15:04

although this one has video as well, but it was from Watkins

15:07

Glen and there he's discussing, you know,

15:09

the dramatic elevation changes and and

15:11

if you skip forward to about the ten minute mark,

15:13

that's about where the discussion about the Nurburgring

15:16

starts. And uh, he's talking about he

15:18

races in something that's the twenty four hours

15:20

of Nurburgring. So imagine how

15:22

grueling that would be on on you know, a series

15:25

of drives. It's not just one driver, obviously, but

15:27

he said something just remarkable here.

15:30

He said that at the start of that race two

15:32

hundred and thirty cars start

15:34

that race, two hundred and thirty.

15:37

Imagine starting the race with two hundred

15:39

and thirty cars on the track. And we're talking

15:41

about a track like what we've been discussing,

15:44

a long, long track, you know, with a hundred

15:46

and fifties some hundred fifty six turns,

15:49

elevation changes, it's you know,

15:51

going to get dark at some point during this race.

15:53

There's weather changes. Uh, there's very

15:56

little runoff. There's you know, the almost

15:58

no guard rails of mentioned. I

16:00

mean there are some, but you're in an extremely

16:02

fast cars. And he said you if you're in a fast

16:04

car and when he and he was, of course he's in one

16:06

of the top end vehicles. He was

16:08

passing on average fifty cars

16:11

per lap. Yeah, fifty,

16:13

I think he said something like the faster cars

16:15

a lot slower cars. Every three

16:18

lap means a sports car races all

16:20

different kinds of categories. Yeah, you

16:22

know, that can make it dangerous too, because you've got slower

16:24

cars and faster cars on the same track. You

16:26

know, what's interesting And gosh, you

16:28

know, I know we're going way over here, we have to stop

16:31

a moment. But um, what's

16:33

really interesting? He said, and here's our answer. Here

16:35

he says, it's about a nine minute lap for him

16:37

in the sports car series, So you know that Formula

16:40

one Cars is doing a lot faster than I mean, I guess

16:42

a seven minute lap something like that ballpark

16:44

during the tourist and parting, which

16:46

is the kind of the daily driver events they

16:48

have at the track. Yeah, I

16:50

think they said like a ten minute lap is something

16:52

to brag about. So we'll get there. Well,

16:54

we'll talk about that soon, but I think first

16:56

maybe we should take a break. I

17:02

love this topic. This is a this is an interesting one

17:05

because the truck has so much history,

17:07

so much, so much going on for it. We're

17:09

going to talk about the manufacturers and what they're

17:11

doing at the Nrburgring because it's

17:14

not just you know, races that happen there, it's

17:16

it's manufacturers that are going there and using

17:18

it as a test facility, and they're

17:20

using it as kind of a level ground test facility

17:23

so that you know, when one manufacturer

17:25

says our car can lapped Nerburgring in this

17:27

amount of time, the other manufacturer has

17:29

a way to compare exactly

17:32

to that time with their own version

17:34

of whatever car that they want. To bring, whether

17:36

that's an all electric car, whether that's a hybrid

17:38

car, internal combustion car, whatever

17:40

type of car they want to bring, sports

17:43

car, sedan, any of those things. They

17:45

can claim that they have the fastest

17:47

vehicle based on the timing that is

17:50

consistent that at that track. Now we

17:52

talked about all the other things that are inconsistent.

17:54

Of course, drivers are not going to be consistent. You're

17:56

not gonna have the same driver in uh

17:58

different manufacturers. Car is gonna bring your own driver,

18:01

you know, whether it's a pro or somebody that you

18:03

know they have in their own test track

18:05

or whatever. Um, there's gonna be the weather,

18:07

there's going to be uh just you know, even

18:09

um atmospheric conditions that day at high

18:12

pressure, low pressure, wind, you know whatever. They're

18:14

gonna have to deal with all that. But the

18:17

thing is that you know you're on the same track, You've

18:19

got the same distance, you've got the same timing

18:21

facility that you know says like this is an

18:23

accurate time. Everybody gets the same

18:26

treatment. There's no there's no difference in this. It's

18:28

the exact same distance every time and

18:30

no no difference at all, no variance, And you don't have to do like

18:32

a one run one way and one run the

18:34

other way like you do for land speed record. It's

18:37

just a lap time. And that lap time is

18:39

something that these manufacturers have really promoted

18:42

over the last decade or so, or maybe

18:44

even more. It might be more like fifteen years.

18:46

I haven't really been paying attention, I guess for that

18:48

long to figure out when they started,

18:50

but it seems like for the last decade or so,

18:53

the Nurburgring lap time is

18:55

a huge deal for sports car manufacturers.

18:57

So they they bring a lot of different cars they

18:59

bring again, there's

19:01

a huge variance. And and let me tell you

19:04

just a couple of times here and and we'll just kind

19:06

of get the ball rolling here maybe and we can we can talk

19:08

about, you know, um, some

19:10

of these in a little bit more detail, maybe in just

19:12

just a moment, if that's all right. All right, So, but number

19:14

ten on the list is the the Lexus

19:17

l F, a Nurburgring package

19:19

also a special package just for the

19:21

nerber Ring, right all right? Interesting? Right?

19:24

The time that the lap time is seven

19:26

minutes, fourteen seconds, all right,

19:28

just in a couple of hundreds

19:30

of a second as well. I'm not even gonna read those so

19:32

seven and fourteen, alright, almost almost

19:35

seven fifteen. If you move

19:37

up, you know, you get to like the Corvette C seven.

19:39

Then there's this is a surprising one. The gumper

19:41

To Apollo comes in at

19:44

two and from two thousand nine. This

19:46

is a car from a long time ago. The Gumpert Apollo

19:48

is still number eight on the list.

19:50

It's seven minutes and just under

19:52

seven minutes and twelve seconds, so still

19:55

really really fast for that car. You go

19:57

up a little bit higher. You got a Mercedes and Nissan.

19:59

There's the g t R. Of course. Uh there's

20:01

the Dodge Viper A c R, which comes in at

20:03

seven oh one point zero three, so

20:06

just under just

20:08

shy of breaking that seven minute mark. They didn't

20:11

quite do it with a Dodge Viper ACR. Then

20:13

there's a Porsche which is the nine eighteen

20:15

Spider. They we have the first Lamborghini. Oh

20:17

that's a clue, I just gave away, right clue. The

20:19

first Lamborghini comes in at the number three. That's

20:22

the Hurricane I think, I hope that's the way you pronounced

20:25

that Hurricane Hurricane um

20:27

which comes in at six fifty two. So they actually

20:29

broke the seven minute mark. This is a Porsche

20:32

g T two r S and then the number

20:34

one car on this list is a Lamborghini

20:36

event the Door s v J which comes

20:38

in and get this is a fast time six

20:41

minutes and forty six

20:43

minutes forty four seconds point nine seven, so

20:45

just under six minutes forty

20:47

five seconds, and that's really really moving,

20:49

right, but a smoke. But I want to point

20:51

out one thing here. These

20:54

cars from one to ten, they're

20:56

all sports cars. Of course, they all come in

20:59

within thirty seconds of each other. And

21:01

that's how tight this race is, right, And

21:03

we talked about all the differences in the track

21:06

and things that can happen, weather

21:08

conditions and whatnot. And

21:10

it's funny that they use this as a standard

21:12

and they quibble over thirty second

21:15

difference, and you know, the drivers are all

21:17

of course, they're different. Manufacturers

21:19

spend a lot of money to go and do this right,

21:21

and they want to be number one. They want to at least

21:24

be in the top ten. And I understand,

21:26

I completely get that. It's it's kind of important

21:28

to keep your sports car in the top

21:30

ten on the fastest cars that you're working

21:32

right now, because that's kind of the standard

21:34

right, where is a Ferrari on this list? Exactly?

21:37

They stay out of Germany,

21:40

they say, come to Italy where racing.

21:43

This is the good point. They're running on Italian

21:45

tracks. Yeah,

21:47

maybe maybe they are. I don't know, maybe there's a Monza

21:50

record that I don't know about or whatever. But um,

21:52

the Nurburgring is is fantastic for this and

21:54

it is a level playing field. But you make

21:56

a very good point, Curtain, And we talked

21:58

about this off air we were getting

22:00

ready for this podcast in that I

22:04

kind of I I like, for a

22:06

short amount of time reading the forums.

22:08

Uh you know that they go along with these numbers, you

22:10

know, like when you we look up the Nurburgring fastest

22:13

times or any article that has to do with like,

22:15

you know, someone breaking a record.

22:17

I'd like to read the comments

22:19

just for a bit of a short time because

22:22

quickly people get out of control. They start to

22:24

have a flame war about all kinds of different

22:27

things that really have very

22:29

very little impact on the on the ultimate

22:31

time of these cars, I believe, I think.

22:33

So. Anyways, I mean, maybe maybe there's more

22:36

to it than I than I know, but you

22:38

and I both kind of had a good laugh about that right.

22:40

Yeah. So, so there's minor, minor things

22:43

that that people think make a huge

22:45

difference in wings like tires, and

22:47

if the car has a racing package

22:50

built into it, roll bars and

22:52

and that sort of thing. Traction control,

22:54

you know, the driver assist options

22:56

that may not be conducive to

22:58

running a fast lap may actually help

23:01

the car run faster. All right, there's like three

23:03

things there that I want to mention, Okay, so said um.

23:05

Traction control and drivers this type functions.

23:08

You know, I I don't know where they stand on if those

23:10

are turned off, turned on, or you know whatever. I'm

23:12

not sure how that all works out with real

23:14

race drivers want very little

23:16

of that, but I would think so, but

23:19

even if one has a little bit of that, they

23:21

do. Yeah, that's that's the crazy part. Okay.

23:23

So so UM also roll

23:25

bars. Okay, so certain cars are built

23:27

from the manufacturer with a roll bar

23:30

that's part of the structure of the vehicle itself.

23:32

So that's something that has to be

23:34

a factor because it does stiff in the chassis

23:36

does make a difference in the handle in the vehicle. The

23:39

other thing, and this is one that a lot of people

23:41

on these forums will get just I right about

23:43

tires. Tires is a big one.

23:45

You mentioned tires is one of the first things, and

23:48

they seem to go crazy over this versus

23:51

like the factory tires versus aftermarket

23:53

tires. Right, So the

23:55

the main argument here is that, um,

23:58

and this is if I'm getting the right

24:00

and you tell me, Kurt, if you get the same impression

24:02

or not, or if you have a different opinion about

24:04

this, Okay, But what I

24:06

am understanding is that people are upset

24:09

that they're not using the factory provided

24:11

tires on the cars to do these runs,

24:14

but they are putting tires on the cars that

24:16

cost Let's say I'm gonna just

24:19

ballpark this and it's general. Let's say

24:21

that the tires are a thousand dollars each or

24:23

two thousand dollars each, or you know, maybe

24:25

even more super expensive

24:27

tires. I mean, they're really really pricey,

24:30

great tires, sticky compound,

24:32

you know all that. However, they

24:35

are available on the market. You can buy the like you

24:37

and I could buy them if we had the money, if we wanted

24:39

to, we could buy that same tire from

24:41

a manufacturer. What a lot of

24:43

people are confusing, I think is the fact

24:46

that they're not using a proprietary

24:48

race compound that is for a certain team

24:51

or a certain series or something like that

24:53

that you cannot buy commercially on the

24:55

market. You can't go out and find a website

24:57

where you could buy that tire. You have to be

24:59

part of that team in order to get that that compound,

25:01

that racing compound. And I think that's

25:03

the confusion, because it seems like it seems

25:05

totally fair to me that if you want to put a pair of tires,

25:08

on a set of tires, or even brake pads or

25:10

whatever on the car, that you can buy

25:12

somewhere, you know, aftermarket or

25:14

wherever from the manufacturer,

25:16

you know, whatever it happens to be. Those are consumables.

25:19

Those seem like, you know, tires were Eventually you're going

25:21

to replace the tires, Eventually you're going to replace

25:23

the break And of course some people, I'm sure,

25:25

buy Lamborghini and the first thing they do

25:27

is buy a new set of tires, tires and brake pads

25:30

because they want to improve the breaking performance. And

25:32

of course that improves your your lap time

25:34

because you can go harder into the turns

25:36

and you can break faster and come out of

25:38

those turns faster. I mean, of course

25:41

I understand the importance of breaking

25:43

like a better break compound, a better

25:46

tire compound. I understand all

25:48

that. I get it. But if it's available and

25:50

it's something that everybody could do, yeah,

25:53

why not? I mean, I guess maybe they're

25:55

confusing, like maybe stock

25:57

production cars with production

25:59

cars get a little to

26:01

nit picky about records. Like a production

26:04

car is a car that you can

26:06

buy with things on it that you

26:08

can also buy. Yeah, I feel the

26:10

same way. I feel the same way. Like if you may

26:12

get a Lamborghini, maybe not a new one,

26:14

but he used one, and you want to go out and

26:16

bust a record at the Nurburgring, but you

26:18

don't want to have the same beat up tires that came

26:20

on the car when you bought it. Used. You want to

26:22

pop some new tires on before you go run the

26:25

nerveburg Ring. So, but you should still

26:27

be considered you should still be considered a stock

26:29

car exactly, So do it? I mean, in that case,

26:31

you're I guess the other argument would

26:33

be, in order to break that record,

26:35

you would have to go and buy the exact same tire

26:37

that they put onto the factory in order

26:40

to make a break that record, right, right, and not to

26:42

mention as soon as you run a lap or two

26:44

or three on this a set of tires, you

26:46

might want some new ones. Anyway. What if I have

26:48

a different air filter in the car, What if I have a

26:50

different oil in the car? Does

26:52

that matter? I mean, I mean, what if I'm using

26:54

a different grease, you know for the

26:56

chassis. You know, what if I'm all that stuff

26:59

like it's not not production gasoline.

27:01

It's kind of the same

27:04

argument though, things that they are consumable,

27:06

things that that you use up you should

27:09

change when needed. Yeah, this argument

27:11

is is just it's it's it's funny

27:13

in a way, but it's also maddening in another

27:15

way. Let's let's talk about tourists and pharton

27:18

after a break. So

27:22

we we we teased a little bit that we're gonna talk

27:24

about something that has a ridiculous name.

27:27

Uh this now as it's a German name, of course, and

27:29

I'm sure that they don't think it's ridiculous. Of course.

27:32

All it really means, I think, if if I had to

27:34

guess what this really means, it just means tourist

27:36

day, right, or tourist driving experience

27:38

or something like that. But but the word

27:41

is is silly. Yeah, it's it's

27:43

tourists and partings. You

27:46

can't even say I don't know why I can't say it. It's

27:48

it's we've laughed about this. It's so juvenile.

27:50

It's like it's like I'm like a kid, like a little

27:52

kid when when we say tourist and

27:54

farton, but it is tourist and farting,

27:57

And all it really means is that, um,

28:00

there's certain days on the nerve

28:02

burgering. And I'm sure a lot of our listeners are already aware

28:04

of this, that you can go and drive on

28:06

the track and you pay a little bit of a fee and I don't

28:08

remember exactly what it is. I want to say, it's like thirty

28:11

dollars or something like that. There's there's a list somewhere

28:13

online. I know that you can look up the prices.

28:16

But the list is a little bit terrifying.

28:18

And I'll tell you why in just a moment. It just been

28:20

ten seconds, I'll tell you. But you can go and look at

28:23

the prices of things and find

28:25

out exactly what it is and when it's happening, Because

28:27

there are certain days when they're having other activities.

28:29

You know, manufacturers have it reserved, or uh

28:32

they have a race or you know, something like that's going on.

28:34

But essentially this becomes like a one way toll

28:36

road. Of course, there's no opposing traffic on this

28:38

little tiny road. But the reason that the list

28:41

that is terrifying is

28:43

because when you look up the price, like to just to

28:45

drive on the track, they start giving

28:47

you the prices if you crash,

28:50

what it costs to replace the guard rail segments,

28:52

what it costs to have the track

28:54

team members come out and assist you in your

28:56

car to get out of the car. They give you

28:58

prices for medical

29:00

help. They give you prices for a

29:03

helicopter to come and fly you off

29:05

the track if they need to, which

29:07

has happened many times. I think,

29:10

Um, they start giving you like some really scary

29:13

numbers, and they're they're high numbers,

29:15

they're expensive, but maybe

29:17

look past that, just look at the price

29:19

of entry and know that you can keep yourself under control

29:22

on the track and uh and you'll be fine.

29:24

But you know, from what I've seen, Kurt

29:27

Um, and you've seen some of the footage

29:29

as well, like when when just anybody

29:31

can go out there and drive you know, any car

29:34

that has and you know, they get their engine

29:36

checked out. They get you know, it's not leaking oil

29:38

or anything. They've got lights, the tires

29:40

are okay, you know, they check out. I'm sure they have

29:42

a little bit of a um a prep

29:44

you know that they have to go through. There's no course,

29:47

like, you don't have to learn any rules,

29:49

but there are rules we'll talk about. Once

29:51

you get out there. You deal with

29:53

people that are professional, and you deal with some

29:55

people that are absolute fools and

29:58

everything in between. From what I got other, any

30:00

old car, any old person can

30:02

go out there and do whatever they want to do, besides

30:05

go backwards and do donuts

30:08

in the middle of the track. I mean you, just as long as you're

30:10

going forward and abiding by some basic

30:12

rules of the road, can go out there and have have a good

30:14

time at the Nurburgring. Essentially, those are

30:16

the rules. Now there are other rules that we should

30:19

talk about. There's a there's a funny video

30:21

about what you should not do on

30:23

the Nurburgring, and I'll mention these.

30:25

I think there's like seven points that you

30:27

know you're not supposed to do, and they all make

30:29

perfect sense. And they're they're done in a funny way. But

30:31

I'll tell you that I've watched many videos

30:34

of this, and you know that everybody

30:36

loves to watch the failed videos. I guess you know, the ones

30:38

where you know someone's coming around a corner and they just

30:40

lose it and you know, horrible

30:42

thing happens. They destroy their car, they

30:44

destroy their daily driver or maybe it's a

30:46

tracker. I don't know, but it's probably typically

30:48

a daily driver from the looks of it. Yes, yeah,

30:51

just people just go out there in their cars, like a fun weekend

30:54

from work, dip into the Nurburgring. Yeah,

30:56

and there's a little bit of everything. There's there's camper vans

30:58

out there. There's bmw use that you know,

31:00

the cars that have uh you know, full

31:03

uh you know, decal packages and everything. It looks

31:05

like a race car, so maybe it is a track day car, you

31:07

know, a fun toy for the weekend or whatever. But

31:09

other cars they do look like just maybe like the

31:11

family sedan that someone's taken out

31:13

for fun. You can rent a car, you can go out there. We'll

31:15

talk about that too, But you know, those are the fun ones

31:17

to watch. But there's also some great videos. And

31:20

I don't know if you caught these or not, but there's

31:22

some fantastic videos of people that are driving

31:24

the track really well, and some

31:26

some you know, privateers, I guess you know, and I

31:29

call them privateers. They're not real racers, but

31:31

but people that bring their own vehicle, you

31:33

know, a BMW or Mercedes or something,

31:36

and they're just really skilled and they can really

31:39

handle it around that track, and it's it's really

31:41

cool to watch. I mean, they're really good and

31:43

they're racing close with other people and that's the cool

31:45

thing. In that discussion from Boris said

31:48

earlier that we mentioned there's a lot of traffic

31:50

on that track and it's a lot of different speeds,

31:52

so you gotta like kind of be accommodating

31:54

to that and the weather and all the conditions

31:56

and everything. But um, if you get

31:58

somebody, if you can watch

32:00

somebody who's doing this really well with another

32:03

person maybe that's doing really well, they're chasing each other

32:05

around the track, it's fun to watch. It's entertaining.

32:08

It's just as good as any race that you'll ever watch.

32:10

It really is. It's fun. You know, near this track,

32:12

everybody kind of gathers around this one gas

32:15

station. And around this gas

32:18

station is a lot like when if

32:20

you can imagine this, and I think a lot of people can. When

32:23

you know, people are leaving those caffeine and octane

32:26

type shows on the weekends, and everybody

32:28

is leaving the parking lot and they're kind of doing burnouts

32:31

and showing off a little bit. As they exit the

32:33

parking lot. There's hundreds of people

32:35

lining the road. They're very very close to the road. They've

32:37

all got cameras out, they have some of them have chairs,

32:40

they've got their own personal cars lining the roads.

32:42

There's fences set up and everything. On

32:44

these tourist days, people line up like

32:46

that. Near this gas there's particular gas

32:48

station and it's called the E D gas Station

32:51

and it looks this looks like doord ed the

32:53

ED gas station and and um,

32:56

it's the one that's closest to the track. So

32:58

all of the cars and motorcycles and trucks

33:00

and whatever they tend to fill up there on

33:02

their way to the track, and

33:05

that means that they're full of fuel. They're

33:07

ready to go out on the race track. They're excited, they're kind

33:09

of adrenalinees going and

33:11

they've got this crowd that's kind of egging them on to

33:13

you know, do a burnout or so. You'll find a lot

33:15

of like it, kind of interesting videos.

33:17

You'll see a little bit of everything. It looks like a cruise

33:20

event or something, you know, where some really

33:22

amazing cars drive by. Also some

33:24

very plane cars drive by that

33:26

are a little bit maybe souped up, a little bit ready for

33:28

the track, or you know, others that are just plane

33:31

Jane sedans and are just there for the fun fun

33:33

of it. Um. From what I gathers, that's just

33:36

part of the experience of going to

33:38

the track. Yeah, for tourists

33:40

and parting, Yeah, it's just you go, you

33:42

get your gas and you maybe show your car

33:44

to the crowd a little bit and then onto

33:47

the track. Isn't that The funny thing is because some people

33:49

will, you know, they'll they'll get an accident outside

33:52

of the track because they're trying to show off. But they're

33:54

they're like moments away from the one

33:56

of the greatest tracks in the world, and they're

33:58

gonna be able to go and just push it out right as

34:01

far as when you can go crash on the track instead

34:03

of in front of the the gas very

34:05

good point. Yeah, very good point. Now, thankfully,

34:08

it seems like there are fewer accidents

34:10

there than at the caffeine and octane type

34:12

shows that that I've seen. It seems more

34:14

common to see people wrecking leaving those For

34:16

some reason. Um, maybe that's

34:18

the star when at work leading out

34:21

the before you get to

34:23

the track. If you can't handle the gas station, then

34:25

don't even go to the nerve burgering. No, absolutely,

34:28

all right, So you know that's one thing that's one part of

34:30

it, and you know that's part of this little town that's

34:32

right there within the boundaries of the

34:34

track or near the boundaries of the track. So they ask

34:36

you that you'd be respectful, and that's one of the things that we're going to

34:38

talk about, all right. So one of the rules.

34:40

And again this is coming from a video that was

34:43

kind of like a don you know, don't do this on

34:45

the track, and it's very funny

34:47

in the way that it's done. You can find it online on

34:49

YouTube, and it's just it's it's

34:51

funny in the way that things are phrased. You know that.

34:54

So I'm not going to do it very much justice here.

34:56

You should go and watch this if you get a chance because

34:58

it's kind of comical, but it also

35:01

has some decent footage of what's going on there and

35:03

and tells you some of the rules and explains

35:05

them a little better than I can. But um, now, at

35:07

first we should say that you know, it's open almost

35:09

every weekend and at the last

35:12

and the last few hours of almost every day

35:14

for this tourist activity. So you know

35:16

they call it tourists, but it's just open for people

35:18

to pay and go on this track. Of course, there are

35:20

track officials there and everything to make sure

35:23

that things are safe. They've got flags and everything to

35:25

keep you in line. Cars

35:27

can be driven any car, bike can be driven

35:29

on the track as long as it's road legal. That's

35:31

that's one thing. Um. You can only

35:33

here's one of the rules. You can only overtake another

35:36

car on the left. There's no passing on

35:38

the right. If you're passed on the right, you're doing

35:40

it wrong. And that's which is also should

35:42

be a rule here in the United States

35:45

on any road. It should just just don't

35:47

want to go out there. Who who don't know

35:49

it is a rule the right

35:52

it's an it's an unwritten well maybe even a

35:55

written probably has written as one of them, So

35:57

overtake on the left, never on the right. Okay,

35:59

that makes sense, right, lap will get this. This

36:01

is interesting because of what we've been talking about.

36:04

If you're going there and thinking that you're gonna time your

36:06

lap, that's not what's gonna happen.

36:08

And I don't want you to have the clock

36:11

in the car. Now this you can time

36:13

your lap, but you have to do it in kind of a

36:15

roundabout way, so you can use your

36:18

go Pro and you can record

36:20

your session. You know, you can record however you want

36:22

it to do, and of course that's gonna keep time, so

36:25

you're able to go back later and

36:28

deduce your time from the go pro

36:30

footage. But you're not able to

36:32

have a clock right in front of you as

36:34

you're driving. And they many drivers

36:37

have said, if you're out here for these tourist

36:39

days and you're watching

36:41

a clock as you go around the track, you're gonna have

36:43

a bad day no matter what, because well, somebody's

36:45

gonna get in front of you in a camper van

36:48

and ruin your time. Right Because there's so

36:50

much traffic on the on the course at any given time, you're

36:52

gonna have to pass, and you know, you might have to slow

36:54

down and do that, and and that's fine. Just go

36:56

out there, even like the guys

36:58

and girls that do it all times said, just go out

37:00

there and have fun. Just go out and have a great time. Drive

37:03

fast, get your adrenaline going, you know, just have

37:05

a good time and know that you've done You've you've

37:08

completed a decent lap. But it

37:10

doesn't have to come down to the exact second, to the

37:12

exact you know, tens or hundreds of a second that

37:14

that you think it does. Just go out and

37:16

have fun, and it's better if you're not

37:18

watching the clock. And especially

37:21

you know that the track officials don't

37:23

want you watching it because it's going to lead

37:25

to aggressive driving because if

37:27

you start to fall behind in your time, you're gonna try

37:29

to push it even harder and you're gonna end

37:31

up wrecking probably. So, um, it

37:34

makes sense when you think about it that way,

37:36

But initially I thought, well, that's crazy. They're

37:38

not letting you time your own lap. Well,

37:40

you can time it. There's also GPS

37:43

units that you can get that will just keep time

37:45

as you go around, So there's no reason to have it

37:47

there on the dash look at and I think

37:49

you can even you know, in your own head, you can just

37:51

create a little variance and you could say like, okay,

37:53

well, you know, and my time was decent. It was nine

37:56

or it was ten minutes and thirty seconds, but I was held

37:58

up for you know, a good twenty seconds

38:00

of that by uh, you know, the Honda Civic

38:03

or whatever it was. It was in front of me. You know. Um,

38:05

oh, don't leave the scene of a crash. Um.

38:08

So if you crash and you know, you bang up

38:10

a guard rail, even if it's just you alone,

38:12

you're not supposed to leave that scene of a crash. Um. You

38:14

can stay there, um and wait for somebody come

38:17

over and check you out and make sure that things all right and get

38:19

things back on track again. I guess, so to

38:21

speak, because because um, there's probably some

38:23

clean up that has to happen, and they want to make sure that, you

38:25

know, the wheel is not going to fall off in the next turn. Fluid

38:28

leaks from the car. They don't want you dragon, that's

38:30

a huge fluids across the track. That is a

38:33

big one because I've seen many videos where

38:35

someone has leaked fuel on the previous

38:37

you know, the previous cars leaked fuel or

38:40

or oil and four cars

38:42

will wreck, I mean, ruins their day, ruins

38:44

their year, month, whatever.

38:46

I don't know. It's expensive, it's very expensive.

38:49

So um, yeah, that's that's a that's a

38:51

huge issue. There's no standing on the track.

38:53

And you and I have both seen examples of this in

38:55

those videos. Uh

38:58

one one boy. One of these

39:00

videos, a guy nearly loses his legs

39:03

when another car comes by. He barely

39:05

makes over that wall. Yeah, he dives

39:07

over the fence and fall. I think

39:09

you can kind of see him frolling down the other side

39:11

because there was a hill on the other side. He

39:14

tumbled for quite some time. He

39:17

and yeah, and you know he I don't know,

39:19

he's like flicking off the people with the damner. They're

39:21

yelling something Backeah, Well they're probably

39:23

yelling, idiot is stupid, you

39:25

know, you know, what are you doing? Because he was he

39:27

was between the guardrail, which is I mean, it looked

39:30

like it was chest high and and

39:32

I don't think it's like a BMW that's coming at him

39:34

really fast. And it did

39:36

clip the wall right where he was, and yeah,

39:38

he hopped over like and just I mean just just

39:40

half a second before it hit him. It's crazy

39:43

too, because he was on the inside of a turn and you wouldn't

39:45

this places where you wouldn't think that

39:47

a car would be crashing into But how

39:49

that's why there's the rule. Again, I don't

39:51

stand on the side. And I think that situation was an

39:53

oil situation where there was oil or something slick

39:56

on the trail, like, because there were many cars that were

39:58

wrecking in the same turn for no good reason. I mean,

40:00

they're just spinning out for no good reason. Um,

40:02

okay, the next one, Uh, this one a

40:04

little again counterto no drifting,

40:06

you're not allowed to intentionally drift

40:08

on the Nrburgring and a track.

40:11

Marshal uh will report you

40:13

if they see you doing doing this drifting. Now, I watched

40:15

videos where you can see that people are

40:17

taking turns intentionally drifting through them. You

40:19

know, it's if you slide a little bit, that's one

40:21

thing. If you are drifting through the turn,

40:23

that's a big difference. And there are people that I've

40:25

seen intentionally drifting. Yeah, they do get

40:27

reported, and I think I don't know if there's a fine involved

40:30

or if you just are kind of banned for maybe that day or

40:32

that week or whatever from the Yeah,

40:35

um, this last

40:37

one, this is silly. No driving

40:39

like a maniac. That's the last rule.

40:41

I mean, that was the funniest last rule. Like I thought, I thought,

40:43

Okay, there's gonna be something big here. There's gonna be something

40:46

really you know, monumental here at the end.

40:48

No driving like a maniac because it's on a public

40:50

road, and you know, I guess

40:53

it does make sense when you when you understand this,

40:55

when you get off the track, you are in this little

40:58

town, you know, if you're going to the gas station

41:00

or wherever. I think this is where that they're

41:02

talking about. Is like, you know, you've got all that energy

41:04

from the track and you still are kind of

41:06

at the track, you know, because you're in that area. Don't

41:09

keep driving like you're on the track when you're in the town.

41:11

I mean, the Jones people don't want to deal with that. They

41:13

would have to deal with that every day all day if

41:15

that was the case, and I can imagine that

41:17

would be infuriating. So, uh, they don't

41:19

drive like a maniac. Thing makes more sense when

41:21

you understand that, Yeah, there's

41:24

this community there and you're

41:26

really disrupting the community if you drive like

41:29

that through there. You should just leave

41:31

the track situation on the track

41:34

and then realize that you're on a public road after that. Well,

41:36

what I find about all of these rules is

41:38

they are generally just rules of the

41:41

common sense. All right, So I have a one, one

41:43

quick question for you before we wrap up. And I think we already

41:45

talked about this, But um, would

41:47

you go and drive this track knowing what

41:49

you know about it and seeing what you've

41:51

seen? Um, in your

41:54

own personal car? Now, of course, rental cars.

41:56

If you rent a car from anywhere other

41:58

than um, a place called a grudge

42:00

which is right in that area, you can rent a sports

42:02

car and go there. Very expensive. You can do it. If

42:05

you rent a car like an Avis or Hurts

42:07

or whoever, you will be

42:09

banned forever from renting a car

42:11

from them if you take it on the Nerbergring track. So,

42:13

and we do have a listener from car stuff that happened

42:16

to. He showed me the letter, um, so and

42:18

it's probably worth it

42:21

courage, you know, Yeah, he did, he was he was happy,

42:23

he knew, he knew the consequences. But

42:26

would you take your own personal vehicle on

42:28

the nerber Ring and drive it knowing what you

42:30

know, now it would be fun to go out there and

42:33

and just tool around a little

42:35

bit. Would you be a little just just a little

42:37

bit afraid of some yahoo that's gonna,

42:39

you know, try to like they're trying to break a lap record

42:41

or something. You know that they're gonna cause you to

42:43

to wreck. Because I know you can control yourself,

42:45

of course, but what about

42:47

the the the part of it that you don't have control over

42:50

a little bit a little, I mean, I feel as if

42:52

you should have that fear in general. So

42:54

it's easier just not to think about the other people.

42:57

And then from what I can tell, there's

42:59

a healthy people just out

43:01

there having fun, and then there's some people that are

43:03

taking it a little too serious. Yeah,

43:07

and this this is not an event to go out

43:09

there and try to break a track record,

43:11

because first of all, you're not going to there's no

43:13

way you're gonna get even close to the

43:16

six minutes and forty five second time

43:18

of the Lamborghini, of course not. Probably not

43:20

even gonna get under ten minutes. Probably

43:22

not. So if anyone's planning to go

43:24

out there, just take it easy and have fun with

43:26

the experience. Good advice. Now, I one

43:29

one little caveat that I want to mention here

43:31

because I think it's worth worth

43:33

mentioning, is that, you

43:35

know, when you're on the track, I would assume that

43:37

insurance doesn't play a factor in this. Will like,

43:40

I think that insurance is probably off.

43:43

They're not gonna They're not gonna cover anything that happens

43:45

on that track, I think. So that might

43:47

be the only difference between you know, like the risk

43:49

that you assume when you're on the highway and

43:51

I know there's still a physical danger and there's still you

43:53

know, property damaged danger and all that.

43:56

I get it. But I do think

43:58

that you're financially risking a little bit more

44:00

when you go on this track, and it's worthwhile to look

44:02

into that before you go and before you do this, because

44:04

you know, again I don't have all the details

44:06

here about this obviously. I'm just kind of, you know, giving

44:09

you an overview, and I want listeners

44:11

to go out and really investigate all this and

44:13

find out what's what's happening there, because I

44:15

think there's some I think there's

44:17

some fun to be had there. Of course, there's a lot of fun

44:19

to be had there. Yeah, So Scott, would

44:21

you do do what I do. This

44:25

is what everyone wants, you know. I think I

44:27

think that you know, I might. I would probably

44:29

rent a car. I know it's expensive, but if

44:31

I were going to do it, I don't think i'd risk my own car out

44:33

there. Um. I think that I would rent

44:36

a car from this this place that I mentioned,

44:38

this Big Grudge that if you go to want

44:40

to go to a website and check out the prices, it's Big

44:42

Grudge dot d E and

44:44

you can check out what they've got there. They get all kinds of sports

44:47

cars and they're expensive. They're not cheap, you

44:49

know, and you pay for like two laps or twelve laps

44:51

or you know whatever. It's like different rates. But

44:54

I would assume that insurance comes along with that. You're

44:56

probably still paying quite a bit if you wreck it,

44:59

but I bet there's a limp it to it. But anyways,

45:01

it's it's a worthwhile thing to check into. So look

45:03

up the Nervebourg Ring and these tourist days and

45:06

this is one of those things that all you car enthusiasts

45:08

should put on your bucket list. It seems like a really

45:11

great experience. Why not. I'd love to get over there

45:13

to do it and you know. In the meantime, if you

45:15

want, you can contact us and tell us if you have done

45:17

this or if you want to go over and do this. We are always

45:19

on social media as well, so you know we're

45:21

on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram where

45:24

we are car Stuff hs W on

45:26

all three of those. But um, I guess

45:28

that's about it for me, Kurt, how about you? That's it for

45:30

me? Anything else all right? I guess we will see you

45:32

next time, and thanks for listening everyone.

45:38

Car Stuff is a production of I Heart Radio. For

45:40

more podcasts or my heart Radio, visit

45:43

the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

45:46

or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.