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Welcome to Car Stuff, a production

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of I Heart Radio's How Stuff Works.

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Hi, and Welcome to Car Stuff. I'm one of your

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host Scott Benjamin, and I'm another one of your hosts,

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Kirk Garon. I'm Ben Bullin also

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here for some reason. How are you guys doing,

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doing good? Doing well? Thank you and he's going

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great. Hey. You know what we've we've had

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many many discussions on the show in the past

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about museums that you know, one

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or both of us have traveled to, or just museums

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in general and collections and all that, and

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uh, you know, we've got our favorites, and we've

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talked about some good, some bad, some esteem.

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They didn't make it to that microcar museum.

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Yeah, let's missed opportunity to hear

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about that one. Curt was here in Georgia. Yeah, I was

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in um Oh gosh, what town

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was Madison? Yeah, you're right, Madison,

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Madison, Georgia. It was Bruce Weener's

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microcar Museum. And the collection

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was unbelievable. It was just remarkable.

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You can still catch it online. I mean, the whole collection

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is is preserved an online

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form. You look at every our respect

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you know a little detail about each vehicle and

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everything, but to see it in person was was pretty

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impressive. I was there on the last weekend

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they were open, maybe even the last day before they held the

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auction, and it's pretty impressive as it

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is a cool thing. But we've seen so many

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museums, automobile museums, motorcycle

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museums, whatever, the racing museums. But

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when you mentioned one that you traveled to very recently,

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I was more than impressed. One

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by the location, of course, I mean it's something

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that we need to investigate a little bit further. I got questions

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about just where you were and why and

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all that, but also the

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museum itself. I've been kind of poking around with

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some photos of this museum that we're going to

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talk about, and it looks beautiful.

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The collection looks amazing, the building

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looks amazing, you know, the facilities look really really

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interesting. Um, I've got a ton

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of questions. I know Kurt's got some questions as well

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that he wants to hit you up with. So first

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question is, well, maybe

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a statement. We're talking about a

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museum that is in Japan.

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It's the Toyota Automobile Museum.

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Yeah, that's right. Scott. Earlier this year,

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I went to Japan for

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the first time. My girlfriend

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Brandy and I went there, and a lot

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of people when they go to Japan,

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they fly into the Tokyo

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Airport. Tokyo is, of course

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the most populous city in Japan. I

2:21

think it's unfair to even call it a city. It's like

2:23

twenty three different cities awards

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all smashed together in

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that airport is very crowded, so

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we were able to fly instead

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of to Tokyo, we flew to

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a town called Nagoya, which

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might not be as familiar to a

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lot of people. It's a smaller

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area, it's more industrial.

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It is also famously a

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Toyota town. And

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we had planned to land

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in Japan at the Nagoya Airport

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uh and spend a few days in Nagoya and

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then sort of ease our into

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Tokyo via the Shinkansen,

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which I finally rode, Yeah, which

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we've talked about for years. Man. And

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while we were in Nagoya, which

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has a ton of history,

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I learned of the

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well going towards there, I learned

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of the Automotive Museum.

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And you know how it is when you travel

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with your significant other, it's

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it's a negotiation and very much of the

3:26

mind that most relationships

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are kind of like the Cold War, you know what I

3:30

mean. And uh So,

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so we had our list of things

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that you know, we're like

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Ben's definite must do, so you know,

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we're trade off and we would figure out. Uh

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we just prioritized the stuff that we individually

3:45

wanted to do and what we wanted to like go

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and my priority, uh

3:49

my number one priority was to

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check out this museum.

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And I didn't know I was getting into. I didn't

3:56

really want to spoil it because well,

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because it is a little bit of a gamble, you know

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what I mean. It is a little bit out of

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the way for us, and

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I definitely did not want

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to have to spend the rest of the trip thinking

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that I was the one who took us to a stinker

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museum and knew about it. You know,

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I could see that happening where it eats up most

4:18

of your day, right, and then you can blame

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like, well, how often are we going to be in Japan?

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Oh god? Or worse, you get the list of things we

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could have been doing. You know,

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we've all been in that situation. So I wanted

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to avoid that. But when I got there, I

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was amazed. It's like nine

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bucks a person, first off, and

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it has hundreds of cars,

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like over a hundred and sixty. And they're not

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all they're not all Toyotas.

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That that's the most astonishing thing.

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They are from all

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these different eras. There's a replica of

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a steam uh, steam driven

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car, and

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they're really they're really more so

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interested in instead of studying

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the rise of Toyota. Don't get me wrong, guys,

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it's a very Toyota heavy museum. They

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are studying the rise

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of the automobile in general and the

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rise of the automobile

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in Japan. The

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exhibits and you guys have had a chance to look

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at these are much much older.

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I mean, this is a building with history. This is a building

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with some truly priceless automobiles

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in there. All right. You know, I got a little bit confused when

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I was looking this up. So I hope I'm looking

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at the right one here, Ben, because I know there's a commemorative

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museum. Yeah, that's also in the same

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area Toyota. It's got the Toyota label

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on it. However, that one is more skewed

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to um focus on the industrial

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revolution and the idea of

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the power loom. And I think there's some you know, old

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machinery in that building. It's the old factory

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where they would produce textiles or type

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of thing. And they've got a small car

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collection in that building, but it's nothing like

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the collection that you saw, right, Yeah,

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the Toyota Auto Museum. And

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again I still can't believe it's like nine

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bucks a pop. They're not paying me just say that. It's

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just that's crazy. Yeah, super steep,

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that's very expensive. It's it's

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dedicated entirely to the

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automobile, you know, uh

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they have they even have well

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maybe it's not so much the automobile, it's

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definitely heavy on that. I do remember there was a rickshaw

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one of the exhibits. UM to me, it

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almost seems without having been there,

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but seeing the list of cars that's there,

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because you can look at the exhibits online. You can

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go to their website and find that it

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looks like they're maybe maybe

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I read this somewhere, but it seems like they're focused

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on like the style of the cars and the advancements

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that have been made along the way, and like kind of like

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these mildstones, you know, to say like, hey,

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look what we were doing in the early nineteen hundreds, and here's

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what we did between nineteen thirty

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and that. And not just we Toyota, but

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we because Toyota wasn't around until what

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nineteen thirty seven, I believe as

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the very first, uh, you know, the founding

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of Toyota. But you

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know, in eras before that and after

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that, they're focusing on a you know, the automotive

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as you said, automotive industry as a

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whole, and the advancements that have been made into

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how we got from where we started to

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where we are now. And I find that pretty fascinating

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to to build a collection in that way. You

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know, these significant makes and models for

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some reason, you know, style or war technology.

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Also shout out to our old Toyota

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episode where

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we explore the origin story

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of the company. Yeah, the way that the cars

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are displayed, when their position next

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to Toyotas are even in the same

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building as toyotas, it kind of tells you the

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story of why Toyota designed

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certain cars a certain way. When you

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see cars from America, like say

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from the late fifties, like a big Cadillac,

7:45

and you see the European like

7:47

compact car, and then you see

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the Toyota of the same time period. All

7:51

the other cars are there to kind of tell Toyota's

7:54

story in a way. Yeah,

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yeah, there's definitely an emphasis

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on that, But there's also emphasis on

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the evolution of automotive

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manufacturing. As we had

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talked about in in some previous episodes,

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starting your own homegrown

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car company is one of the most difficult

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things a country can do, and that's

8:17

the reason why a relatively

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small number of large auto

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manufacturers dominate the global

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industry. So what Japan does

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is historic and impressive.

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Now if you think back what

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shape the country was in in terms of infrastructure

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the close of World War Two. To have come

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from that to a

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place where Japanese vehicles

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and you know, including Toyota, are often

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regarded as some of the most consistent

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in the on the planet nowadays,

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that that is nothing short of

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amazing. One thing that stood out

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to me that I thought you guys would appreciate surmise

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texting is texting some of these pictures,

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uh, is that they also have

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a lot of weird cars, weird

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one offs. You know, it's kind of like

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when you go into a museum for another

9:09

big idea, like the Coke Museum here

9:11

in Atlanta, and you see all this stuff

9:14

that didn't work, you know, like

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that. So one example, there's

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this, uh, there's this microcar.

9:24

Going back to our earlier thing. It's a three

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wheel car, the Fuji Cabin Model

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five A. It looks like

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it's from a Pixar film.

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It has a you know, the face

9:35

of the vehicle as one's tyclops like

9:37

headlight, and it has

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you know, the the air intake

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at the front looks like a dumb

9:45

open mouth and it almost looks

9:48

like the size of a wheelbarrel with the wheels

9:50

of a wheelbarrel

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in the back. Yeah, exactly. Tadpole

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design. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, it's the Tadpole

9:58

design and it's it's it's an interesting vehicle,

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I mean, but but cars like that. I love to see

10:02

cars like that among all the other stuff. You know that

10:04

that it's kind of an ordinary car. It's not necessarily

10:07

anything flashy or anything. It's it's unusual now,

10:09

of course, but at the time, you

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know, it was just a commuter car. It was a car just to

10:13

get around as a daily ride. For somebody

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clearly. And uh, and it's very simple,

10:18

very very I don't know, in

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a way it's classy that it's simple, but it's

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also very very plain, you

10:25

know, very plain looking. I mean, it's not something that

10:27

would draw your attention other than it's kind

10:29

of a standout among others in this museum, because

10:31

I know there's some fantastic cars in the museum

10:33

too, and not just like you said, cars

10:36

from Japan. But there's you know, there's

10:38

a Tucker there. Yes, you mentioned there's

10:40

a steam car there. I'm not sure is that a Stanley

10:42

car. I don't remember exactly who made that one. There's

10:44

Cadillacs, poos,

10:46

There's all kinds of rules,

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Royce Lincoln's, there's you know, stuts,

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bear cats that that you can see there. Um,

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there's some incredible vehicles. I'm looking

10:56

right now at the website, which is a Toyota

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dot c o JP dot JP

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and you can and you can find an English Japanese

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version if you search. If you do, you know, a

11:06

quick Google search will will turn up the same

11:08

thing. And then when you get to the website, if you go

11:10

to believe it's the exhibits tab,

11:13

if you under the exhibits. You can look at the

11:15

list of vehicles on display, that necessarily

11:18

the automobile gallery, because I will show you more

11:20

of you know, just kind of aesthetics of

11:22

the building itself and displays.

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But but go to the exhibits, the automobiles

11:27

on display, and you can get a real sense

11:29

for what's there and the diversity of what's

11:31

there, because that's always that's always the impressive

11:33

part to me, and even more so it's maybe

11:36

I get the feeling Ben and I have to ask you this because

11:38

again, I've never been to Japan. I've never been to this

11:40

museum. Obviously, UM have a lot

11:43

of questions about the museum itself because

11:45

I've been to good I've been to some bad ones. Some

11:48

stand out to me because of the way

11:51

that they're displayed, the way that the building

11:53

is laid out, the way that they're um, the

11:55

way that the cars are lit. You know, the

11:57

distance between the cars, how close you can get

11:59

to the cars. You know, there's there's a lot to making

12:02

a good museum versus just you know,

12:04

throwing a bunch of cars in the same room together. You

12:06

know, door to the door to door knows to knows,

12:09

you know, and I've seen places like that, and it's not that

12:11

they're horrible, and they've got great cars. It's

12:13

just that you don't necessarily get

12:15

all the views, all the

12:17

impressions of that car that you necessarily want,

12:19

or you are you are trying to get. You

12:22

don't feel like you've got the fulfilling experience. And it

12:24

looks to me like this one. You get a

12:26

pretty good view of each car. It looks

12:28

like the building itself is well done.

12:30

You know, it's classy. It looks like it's a

12:32

calm place to visit. I don't anticipate there's

12:34

any music playing or anything like that. Is

12:37

thrash metal the entire time. It's

12:40

a Japanese they're screaming.

12:42

It just looks like it looks like a peaceful place

12:44

to stroll around. Look at the cars,

12:47

you know, kind of get lost in yourself a little

12:49

bit, you lost in your your memories or you know whatever,

12:52

you know, just the maybe the vision

12:54

of yourself behind the wheel or whatever.

12:56

I mean, it looks like a pleasant place to visit.

12:58

Is is that the general feeling of the

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place. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, uh

13:03

there when we went, it was

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not especially crowded,

13:08

of course, you know, we were also there toward

13:11

the weekday afternoon

13:13

I believe, so. Yeah,

13:16

And there there weren't any

13:19

field trips. There a couple of people there with their kids.

13:21

There were a couple of older people. Uh.

13:23

There was probably one non

13:25

Japanese, one non Japanese

13:28

group other than us. UH.

13:30

What stood out to me the most

13:33

was, first off, I was not expecting a Tucker

13:36

all the way out in Nagoya, Japan, which shows how

13:38

much I know. Uh. And and

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that Tucker, by the way, is drivable. They

13:44

didn't let me drive it, but of course

13:46

it works, is what I'm saying. They

13:48

had very little in the

13:51

way of barriers, right.

13:53

And for some of the vehicles, especially

13:56

the more stately you

13:58

know, pre nineteen third ease like

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proper carriage type things, they

14:02

would have steps up and you would

14:04

stand on I don't know, like the fancy

14:07

version of a step ladder, essentially so that

14:09

shorter people could see inside.

14:11

Occasionally you would see something like

14:14

the gold wing doors would be open, or

14:16

you could one Okay. One thing

14:18

I did, which may have been pushing the line

14:20

a little bit, was

14:23

was to to describe the way the cars laid laid

14:26

out. There's space between them

14:28

so you can generally see in

14:30

every vehicle, you can see at least three

14:33

four of it right now.

14:36

There may be some part of it where the back

14:38

corner is tucked against something so

14:40

you can't really get behind it. But the

14:44

only boundary between

14:46

you and these vehicles is going to

14:48

be a

14:50

a small like plastic

14:52

string, probably about maybe

14:56

maybe a foot off the floor. So

15:00

I wouldn't have expected that. It's not Fort Knox,

15:02

is what I'm saying. Yeah,

15:04

I'm not I'm not I'm

15:08

not proposing that we conduct the hoist. I'm

15:11

just saying it would be you know, it wouldn't

15:13

be hard, to be a lot easier than some of the other places.

15:15

But you know what you're You're mentioning something

15:17

that I found like really

15:19

intriguing about other places that I've been. I've been

15:21

to the Lane Museum outside of Nashville,

15:24

and you could walk completely around the cars. There were

15:26

no there were no barriers, and and I

15:28

think there might have been around a couple of cars

15:31

that were there at the boy I'm stretching my

15:33

memory now to remember as years ago, but I feel

15:35

like you could get right up to them and peer in as long

15:37

as you didn't touch them as you didn't touch

15:39

the car, you're okay, But you could get right

15:42

up next to the car. And I found that fascinating

15:44

because I had never seen that before in another museum. Usually

15:46

you're kept back with you know, the big thick velvet ropes

15:49

and they're you know, waist high and

15:51

in a significant distance away, you know where

15:54

you know, you're not allowed to get anywhere near. You can't he

15:56

can't lean in and smell what that car smells

15:58

like, which is a part of the experience.

16:00

You know, you can you can lean and smell the you

16:02

know, the the old leather and the you know, the

16:05

maybe the wood that's got oil soaked into it,

16:07

that kind of thing. I love that there were

16:09

some cars where you could get the whole walk

16:11

around like if um,

16:14

like the rules Royce the Silver

16:16

Ghost, which which

16:20

it was red and gold though it

16:22

was, you can walk around that vehicle.

16:25

I quickly figured out that you can do

16:27

what I call the lane. Everybody's

16:29

everybody has had to be in a museum where you want

16:31

to touch the stuff. You know about the lean. We

16:34

all know about the lane. It's

16:36

like dark It's like the same rules

16:38

as playing darts. As long as your foot is

16:40

behind the line. You're okay,

16:43

But I did learn um when

16:45

person working at the museum was a little bit concerned

16:48

because I got down on the ground. I was trying

16:50

to look at the undercarriage of a

16:52

couple of things. And they were very polite

16:54

and they came up and they said, I can I help

16:56

you? And of course it's very embarrassed

16:58

that you're having a medical immer agency down there on the floor.

17:01

I think they knew exactly what I was doing. You

17:04

know, I wonder if you just thinking about

17:06

this, you know, I know the lean that you're talking about, right, trying

17:08

to get a better look. So I wonder if if

17:10

this would be a good strategy. And now I'm an idea guy,

17:12

you know that, right, I'm not much

17:14

about implementing. But

17:16

but let's say this, like the Curt the curt. Let's that

17:19

you're tall, right, You're pretty tall, so

17:21

you'd be able to lean a significant distance over

17:23

a vehicle. But there's a point where you lose your balance,

17:25

right, I mean it's not very far over. What

17:27

if you were to wear like weighted pants,

17:30

you know, like like something like lead pants, you

17:33

know, and that's practically I mean, I know that's extremely

17:35

practical for everybody to wear left pants around, you

17:37

know. But what how about ankle

17:39

weights or a welt like

17:41

a weight belt. Maybe that would keep

17:43

your weight, you know, like more the center

17:45

of gravity would be much lower and behind

17:48

you. I wonder if that would work if you could lean

17:50

like a lot farther. Yeah, if I were there with you

17:52

guys, I could have ropes tied

17:55

to my shirt and each of you all could

17:57

grab one and just let me

17:59

go in. You know, I can basically

18:01

get on you know, I can get inside the window

18:04

with my head. That's equally feasible. I

18:06

think, you know, to to my lead pant's ideas,

18:09

what about, almost like judstorm, about

18:12

a chess mounted kickstand that

18:14

you could you know, deploy under the grounds. You could

18:16

you could get the full lean in your

18:19

whole body back. You look like you look like, you

18:21

know, um, a ski jumper

18:23

in the air. You know

18:25

skis like that for the big ski jumps. Yeah, exactly,

18:27

you would look like that, only leaning over into

18:29

the window of a museum piece. So the biggest

18:32

question about that, again, no judgment

18:34

in brainstorming. It's not saying no to any of these.

18:36

The biggest question I have is when

18:39

to deploy these brilliant

18:41

techniques and devices. I think there are,

18:43

like if I call correctly,

18:47

they're thirteen zones, zones

18:50

that I remember. Yeah, so

18:53

it goes from the dawn of the automobile

18:55

to the advancement

18:58

to the acceptance. Uh

19:00

and then probably guys,

19:03

I mean probably two of my A

19:05

couple of my favorite zones.

19:08

There were pretty early on the

19:11

Salon vehicles that was

19:13

zoned four and that's you know, kind

19:15

of the nineteen twenties, nineteen

19:17

twenties, just like egregiously luxurious.

19:20

I'm looking at them right now. There's an Essex

19:22

coach. There's a Morgan Arrow, Um

19:25

gosh, what else? Bughatti Type thirty five B,

19:28

which is pretty nice,

19:31

Model A of course. Uh

19:33

oh yeah, Dusenberg Model J that looks nice.

19:35

There's there's some incredible cards. You can click

19:37

on any one of these links on their web page and

19:40

see photo, photograph, and paragraph describing

19:42

each one in Japanese and

19:44

in English.

19:51

And then they have a lot of deep cuts

19:53

that I think would surprise anybody

19:55

who especially who enjoys older

19:57

vehicles, like they have a stuts. Yeah.

20:00

I mentioned that earlier because that's one that stands out

20:02

to me. The Stuts Bearcat. I always find that as a funny

20:05

car because I think Mr Burns on The Simpsons,

20:07

on the Studs, and I remember

20:09

being in an episode early early on,

20:11

like the the Lazy Chief Police Wigham.

20:14

Right, He's kind of kicked back in his car

20:16

eating probably a donut if I had to guess,

20:19

and Burns is making his escape and he's

20:21

in a Stuts Bearcat, right, and

20:23

they reported as a Red

20:25

Stuts Bearcat, I think, or so I'm gonna mix this up

20:27

at like a Red Stuts Bearcat in nineteen fourteen

20:30

or whatever, and the police Chief

20:32

season goes by and says, ah, that's more of a Burgundy

20:35

and just let it go. Hilarious

20:38

to me, I mean, it's it's funny because you know, just

20:40

it's such an unusual vehicle. And of course Mr Burns,

20:43

some a character like that would own a vehicle like that.

20:45

But you know, these cars, these kind of one off

20:47

the specials that you see when you walk around the corner,

20:49

you know, and don't expect that. That to me

20:52

is what really turns me on about certain

20:54

museums versus other museums where you

20:56

kind of you kind of know what's going to be there. Um,

20:59

you're a little bit surprise. But sometimes, man,

21:01

they really catch you off guard, don't they. I think

21:03

that's what happened when

21:05

I dragged my girlfriend along too, because

21:08

she actually enjoyed it, which

21:10

surprised me a little because I think she thought

21:13

maybe it was just gonna be all

21:15

Toyota's probably more of an

21:17

emphasis on the eighties

21:20

or something, you know, like all great

21:23

museum dedicated to the Prius. Finally,

21:28

and I'm sure that you know what, there probably was a Prius

21:30

there, right, I mean, I'm sure they've got the current product line

21:32

there. You know a lot of them. Anyway, I'm

21:34

gonna be honest with you guys. Uh.

21:36

This may be an a

21:39

function of attention span, or it may be

21:41

a function of just like worrying about

21:44

time spent wisely. But when

21:46

I go to museums like this, uh,

21:50

especially any any museum that

21:52

focuses on the history of something that's

21:54

fascinating, I end

21:56

up taking forever in the beginning and

21:59

then get kind of inundated with information.

22:02

So by the time by

22:04

the time I had made it too uh,

22:09

let's say the eighties. By

22:12

the time I made it to the nineteen eighties,

22:14

I started thinking, I've

22:17

seen a Toyota

22:20

to walk through at that point, right, I'm walking

22:22

around, Yeah, and I'm stopping for I'm stopping

22:24

for vehicles because there were some vehicles

22:27

that I had not seen

22:29

up close, like the UNS Roadster.

22:32

Uh. I had not seen one of those up close,

22:35

and that was weird to me because

22:38

it's a Master of Miyata. Yeah, it's

22:40

a Masda Miata, but being called the Units

22:43

Roadster made it new in fascinating.

22:46

And yeah, because

22:49

in the early

22:51

auto history of Japan, their

22:54

first vehicles they were making were licensed

22:57

rather than completely domestically

22:59

create ate It and Toyota

23:02

lad the charge on creating vehicles

23:05

in Japan for the Japanese

23:07

market from Japanese

23:09

parts. So

23:12

so for them to take that step

23:15

is impressive. But it also means,

23:18

you know, this is something that we have talked about in

23:20

the past. It also means there are a

23:23

lot of things just sold under different names,

23:25

you know, which is always has

23:27

always fascinating me and still fascinates me

23:30

today. You know what, I'm gonna be honest, it still

23:32

confuses me today

23:34

because there are I'm sure everybody

23:37

listening. We have a couple of different examples

23:39

of stuff that we just thought of, you know,

23:41

and sold in Europe as one name

23:43

or in Australia as one name, and then sold in

23:45

the US for some reason as another name. I

23:48

don't know the logic behind that, or even

23:50

very similar cars that are sold here under

23:52

different brands, like you know, the Subaru car,

23:54

the b RZ and the what

23:57

was the other one that the Science I'm gonna I'm gonna

23:59

forget it now. I

24:01

think, oh, the

24:04

the Toyo. It's a Toyota, I believe right. I

24:06

was just thinking of an example that

24:09

that. You know, it's a pretty easy one for everyone

24:11

to pick out on the roads today, even you know Super who

24:13

sells that b r Z car. And then there's

24:15

a Scion or at least it was a signounced Toyota,

24:17

I think, Um, but it's the it's exact

24:20

same vehicle, you know, the and I think it's the

24:22

eight six Curta. Is that what we said it was. It's

24:24

now called the eighty six. Um, but

24:26

yeah, it's it's different car companies essentially

24:29

the same vehicle, different badging, could a

24:31

few different you know options, you know,

24:33

engines, things like that are available, but it's

24:36

just an interesting thing that you know that they do, that they

24:38

share these platforms and it's

24:40

it's it's always kind of strange. You know what. One

24:42

thing, Kurt, I'm gonna I'm gonna

24:44

put you on the spot here just for a second if you don't mind.

24:47

So we haven't you haven't really heard of any

24:50

like car museums that you've gone to that you really like

24:52

or dislike or you big car

24:54

museum frequent er. Do you go there and check

24:57

things out or not necessarily? I've

25:01

been a lot, right, Yeah, that's

25:03

true. That's true for various reasons. I went

25:06

to the Corvette Museum a long time

25:08

ago. Oh yeah, I've been bowling Green Tucky.

25:10

Yeah, Um, I said, I think I said,

25:12

frequenter. That's a terrible that's that's making

25:15

up my own words. Are you? Are you there? Often?

25:17

Is what I meant? And I guess I guess not. But what so

25:20

you were there, um at the Corvette Museum

25:23

pre sinkhole, I would guess. Yeah, it

25:25

was just back in the nineties, right after

25:27

I was built. You narrowly missed being just

25:29

swallowed up by the earth. Yeah, I didn't

25:31

know that danger was brewing beneath who

25:34

did, and who would know, right, But uh, that's

25:36

one place that I have never stopped.

25:39

I've even I've even stayed in the hotel

25:41

across the street from it, because it's like I couldn't

25:43

make it. No, it's it because it just

25:45

didn't fit into the stupid schedule

25:47

that you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, And

25:50

it's a good stop for her point on my way up to Michigan.

25:53

So you know, if I or if i'm actually it's if

25:55

I'm going to stop in Indiana

25:57

first to visit family and wow

25:59

actually and and then onto Michigan

26:02

or you know whatever, it's a good it's a good point for me

26:04

to drive to after work here one day

26:06

on like a Friday, end up there,

26:08

and then early the next morning leaves, so you know, I'm

26:10

not there during museum hours. Can't even can't

26:12

even make a token appearance there, you know, for

26:15

an hour. It's just I'm tired

26:17

from the day and and the road and

26:19

you have to get up the next morning at six am. We get on the road

26:21

or something that it's frustrating,

26:24

but I'll get there. And they have a motorsports park

26:26

across the road that I also like to go to and check

26:28

out, and of course the factory which they offer

26:30

tours for and oh man, they're

26:32

gonna start building that rear engine VET

26:35

there soon. And I'm really jacked

26:37

about that. I really am. I want to do a full episode

26:40

about that vets.

26:43

Yeah, I'm excited about it. That's a that's a

26:45

cool thing that we've you know, we've

26:47

talked around the edge

26:50

of in the past because it was never really a

26:52

thing that was going to happen, and it was going

26:54

to but we never knew when. Now that

26:56

it's here, man, we should we should definitely delve

26:58

into it. Yeah, for sure. We've

27:00

been waiting for that one for a while. Yeah,

27:03

yeah, you know what, I didn't mean to derail us that

27:05

much. It's perfect. I do that all the time. But

27:07

but but let's get back to this museum. I mean, you

27:09

see, do you think you spent like the whole day there?

27:11

Do you think you spent like, um, you know, eight

27:14

hours there, five hours there, two hours

27:16

what were probably probably

27:19

about four hours, but wanted

27:21

to spend a longer amount of time there. You

27:23

know it. We're because we're in a country that's new

27:26

to me. My girlfriend had been there before, but

27:28

neither of us have been to this town before,

27:31

so we wanted to be, you know, conscious

27:34

of how long it took to get

27:36

from point A to point B things like

27:38

that, because now

27:40

going to the full details. One

27:43

time we were in

27:45

a different country and we took

27:47

a ski lift up.

27:49

It was supposed to be a romantic thing. We

27:52

took a ski lift to the top of this mountain

27:54

and then we had to we found out that you still

27:57

had to wait in line for the round trip, and the line

27:59

was like, uh, two

28:01

hours long. And so

28:03

I said, you know, I had the bright idea. It's

28:05

like, hey, alright, you know, it can't be that bad. It's

28:07

all downhill.

28:11

So we uh we it was

28:13

that bad. Uh, And it took about

28:16

it took a long time to walk down there, and then

28:18

we were at the uh we

28:20

were at the Soul,

28:22

South Korea's version of the

28:25

Inner State, outside of the city. And

28:27

then I had to yeah,

28:30

I was so so we're very cautious. Sounds

28:32

very romantic. Yeah,

28:36

yeah, real winter they're brought up. But

28:38

so soon. To answer your question, long story

28:40

short, it was. It was

28:43

four four hours

28:45

and change, but it could have been more because

28:47

there are two buildings. There's the main building, there's

28:50

kind of this annex thing. And they

28:52

don't just have odd or historically

28:55

significant cars. They also have

28:58

like real beasts, like they had

29:00

a Dino to g

29:03

t s. They have his room that's just

29:05

like high end, kick

29:08

ass sports cars, exotics and things like

29:10

that. You know, one of my favorite cars that's there.

29:12

It's it's kind of a an I

29:15

don't know. I would say it's

29:18

not nondescript by any means. I mean, I don't

29:20

know if I'm I'm using the right term for

29:22

this, but it's a little more simple,

29:25

I guess in design. It's not like a design like an

29:27

exotic, but it has that feel to me because

29:29

it looks an awful lot like a Jaguar E type.

29:31

It is a oh

29:34

here, it is right here that the two thousand g T

29:36

made by Toyota model

29:39

MF ten. It's a model,

29:41

and I believe that nineteen sixty seven

29:44

model was the one that they used in Um

29:46

and James Bond film. I don't remember

29:49

which film it was now, but I saw that car the

29:51

first time I've ever seen that car in person, at

29:53

the Peterson Museum. It was also a white

29:55

version of this, but it was made into a

29:58

convertible, which I that was kind

30:00

of cool. So a roadster version of

30:02

the same car. But it's beautiful

30:04

and of course there's very very few of these made.

30:06

I don't remember how many are were made, but it's

30:08

like, you know, in the low maybe two

30:11

hundreds, I think at the most. Um,

30:13

it's just a beautiful looking car to me and has

30:15

that classic look, and it has something a feature

30:17

that that Kurt had pointed out that a lot of

30:19

these cars, uh, that you

30:22

were a little bit confused about at first. I

30:24

think the mirrors on the hood, yeah,

30:26

or on the side of the yeah, the

30:28

front fender mirrors, right, And uh,

30:31

I think that it's a cool look. Do you like to

30:33

look it's neat yeah, yeah, yeah, I see

30:35

you're still a little bit on the fence the

30:38

wheel, yeah, yeah, it's just a

30:40

it's an interesting place to put them my note.

30:42

But it makes a lot of sense when you're talking about

30:44

a car that is like a sports car. You

30:46

know, this is definitely a sports car. This,

30:49

uh, this Twyota two thousand GT

30:51

model. Um. But the fenders

30:53

are mounted way far in front of the in

30:55

front of the front glass, not in the

30:58

usual position on the driver door. Passenger or

31:00

and the reason is so that you know, to

31:02

to get that rear view, all you have to do is kind of avert

31:04

your eyes a little bit instead of turning your head

31:06

left or right in order to see that. So

31:09

you know, the driver can keep their focus forward

31:11

and just kind of you know, like darth or eyes left or right

31:14

and be able to catch what's going on behind them. And now

31:16

you get a restricted view. But typically these

31:18

mirrors will have a convex surface so that

31:20

you get more of a guess,

31:22

it's sort of a fish eye view. It's kind of in between.

31:25

You know. I wonder why that died

31:27

out because you can look through you

31:29

can look through cars from the eighties

31:32

and seventies, and you can see other

31:34

examples of that, like the at

31:36

least at this museum, for sure, the

31:39

Toyota Soar had those

31:42

had had those side lamps that were hood

31:44

mounted. We also saw

31:46

the Colts Gallants from seventy one

31:49

had that, even the Honda Civic

31:51

had, and the ones on the Honda Civic were way

31:53

up there. Maybe we were right behind the headlights. Well

31:55

it had to be. That was a small car, very small

31:58

car, right, But I can yeah,

32:00

but I like this. I really like the design. I think

32:02

the sad answer to this is that it had to

32:04

be part of pedestrian safety. You

32:06

know how they took the hood ornaments off of cars

32:09

and the front ends are kind of smoothed out, and bumper

32:11

heights are standard now They're not like super low

32:14

like he used to be, or not super high

32:16

like they used to be. Although I'm seeing

32:18

a trend in trucks where it's becoming like a wall

32:20

coming down the road, you know, normal consumer

32:22

pickup trucks. But but I think the side

32:26

mirrors like the size of a forearm. Yeah exactly,

32:28

Yeah, but I mean you you you see that, you

32:30

know the position of these where if if they were to hit

32:32

a pedestrian and they were to roll over the hood of that vehicle,

32:36

that would probably kill somebody, your significant

32:38

damage if nothing else. So I think I think it's

32:40

pedestrian safety. I could

32:42

see that, But I would present

32:44

an alternative hypothesis.

32:47

What's that? What if it is

32:49

somehow easier to park

32:52

or drive in dense areas. Yeah,

32:55

you can't reach them to adjust. Oh that's

32:57

why they change it. I sure, I'm

33:00

saying before like automated you

33:02

know mirrors, how many How many times

33:04

have I brought this crime. I had an MG that

33:06

had these mirrors a long time

33:08

ago, had an MG Arkly. It was a kid car, you

33:10

know, it's made out of an MG midget and I'll have

33:12

to show you photos, Kurt, but

33:15

it had mirrors like this, and I do

33:17

recall that adjusting those things was difficult,

33:19

and sometimes they would you know, shake loose and

33:22

you know, like adjust themselves, and it's

33:24

frustrating because you have to pull over to adjust them

33:26

back into position. But they were fantastic.

33:29

I love the position of them. I love being able

33:31

to again just kind of quickly dart

33:33

your eyes over and see what's behind you. Is is really

33:35

nice and I thought that it's still overall,

33:37

I think it's a cool look. I really like the look of

33:39

those fender mirrors like that. I think it really

33:42

is just seems like they would be far away to

33:44

see, you know, it's really not. It's not uncomfortable.

33:46

Now. Of course, my car was very very small,

33:48

so you know, the distance is more like the Honda,

33:51

more like the Honda Civic that we're talking about, then

33:53

this car, which is a little bit farther away. But now

33:55

you can to your point Kurt, now that

33:58

it's very common for people to be to

34:00

electronically adjust those

34:02

side mirrors. There's I

34:04

wonder why they haven't come back. Maybe you're right,

34:06

Maybe it's pedestrian safety. It's gotta be

34:08

It's gotta be something nowadays. That's why

34:10

it has That's what it has to be. You get ripped

34:13

off in every you know, automated car wash

34:15

that people take their cars through or something. Maybe that's

34:17

another issue. Do you guys remember having to unscrew

34:20

your antenna before you took it? I do, y.

34:23

Yeah, Kurt's way too young. Are you too young

34:25

for that? I'm

34:28

just joking. You reach out of the window.

34:30

Yeah, yeah, I mean I guess they

34:32

still do a version of that where they

34:34

put that little um uh sleeve over

34:36

the rear window wiper and they take it

34:38

down sometimes. Yeah, it's always frustrating

34:40

if they take that down, you have to get out and peel

34:43

it stuff off. So

34:49

there's there's something else here. And I

34:51

think it's a bigger trend that we see when

34:53

we look at museums like this

34:55

and the many fantastic

34:58

auto museums throughout the US and the world old

35:00

at large. It's that we can

35:03

conduct our own kind of forensic

35:05

analysis of these trends

35:07

that came and went. I don't know why,

35:09

but walking around or we saw

35:12

the old school twenties

35:15

the thirties era cars like

35:17

the Packard twelve where

35:20

the packer told the so called Roosevelt car,

35:22

right, uh, Packer is one of your favorites

35:25

anyway, It's true, it's true. But one

35:27

of the things that hippie about it was walking

35:29

around and I was thinking, man,

35:32

these cars were so expensive

35:34

at the time that the assumption

35:37

was if you could afford one,

35:39

you could afford to pay somebody else to drive

35:41

you around in it. And that's why

35:44

the cabins were divided. And

35:46

it's like because nobody, nobody

35:49

was buying one of the very few people

35:51

were buying one of these and saying

35:53

like poof, I mean my daily

35:56

driver helped me get to work more quickly. They're

35:58

like buying it for parade stay processions.

36:00

Your daily driver was actually a person that

36:02

had a name. The daily driver was

36:05

they just happened to be in a cata

36:07

or in a pack of twelve. Yeah, that's right,

36:10

you know, can I just make one cleanse in here?

36:13

Is that I also was looking into and I

36:15

want to get back to the museum and wrapped

36:17

it up in a minute. But the location of this place

36:19

is perfect, right, I mean, of course it's near the port

36:21

where they ship most of their product from.

36:24

We find that, you know, the Port of Nagoya is

36:26

a it's an old port. In fact, it pre dates

36:28

Toyota. It goes back to nineteen

36:30

o seven when they opened this port. And it's enormous.

36:33

It's a huge place. And I tried to do something

36:35

here that I thought was clever at first, and then I

36:37

saw a couple of my errors along the way, and

36:39

I it kind of fell apart

36:41

at some point. But I'll tell you what I did. I

36:44

tried to look at the area in

36:46

the in the city of Nagoya and the port,

36:48

actually the Port of Nagoya with

36:51

the water combined. And I don't know why I looked at

36:53

it with water combined, but I did. And the

36:55

square, the square meters, the square

36:57

miles and all that. Right, So the water area

37:00

of the port is something like and I'll

37:02

do this both ways, I guess, but a two just

37:04

over a d two million square meters,

37:06

which is about thirty one point eight

37:09

square miles of just water in the

37:11

ports, So that's a big port right to

37:13

This place has twenty one piers

37:16

and two d and ninety berths, so that means they can

37:18

have as many as nearly three hundred ships

37:20

in the yard at one time. And it's

37:22

not just Toyota. There's a lot of things that come in

37:24

and out of Nicola. Of course, they do

37:27

something like two point one million

37:29

containers every year go in and

37:31

out of that place. That's how many are shipped in and out

37:33

of that port every single year. And those are containers

37:35

that are the size of the backs of semis.

37:37

You know, when you see the car containers on the back of

37:40

semis, that's what we're talking about. So when

37:42

we see them stacked on the back of the ships,

37:44

you know, they're loaded up with material.

37:46

That's what's in them as cars. It's um uh,

37:49

you know, well it's not only automobiles, but it's you know, other

37:51

products that they're they're shipping out as well. Thirty

37:54

two thousand, four hundred vessels

37:57

every year go in and out of there. That's how many arrived

37:59

in the every single year. And that was

38:01

a two thousand nine numbers, so that's ten years

38:03

old. That number that I found so you

38:05

know that the shipping has probably gone up.

38:08

Now, the land area that I've neglected

38:11

to tell you up into those points, which I forgot,

38:13

is is about sixteen point three square miles,

38:16

So if you combine the two, it's right

38:18

around forty eight square miles. And I was trying to think, Okay,

38:20

well, how big is that really? Forty eight square miles

38:23

because it's a massive area. Um, it's

38:25

somewhere around the size of if you were

38:27

to take all of Boston, Massachusetts,

38:29

that's roughly forty eight square miles. If

38:32

you were to take all of Peory, Illinois,

38:34

or Salem, Oregon, or I

38:36

think Fargo, North Dakota, those areas

38:39

are all about forty eight

38:41

square miles or nine somewhere around

38:43

there. So that's the size of the port area that we're

38:45

talking about. And that's just one little area here, but that's

38:47

all shipping and a lot

38:49

again, most of Toyota's

38:51

product comes out of there from

38:53

you know, from the Asian production facilities

38:56

that they put these cars together, and of course

38:58

we know we have they have plants all over the world, but

39:00

that's where most of their product originates.

39:03

So it's a it's a huge, huge place and

39:06

as you can imagine, most of the people in the

39:08

cities in and around Nagoya are

39:10

employed by either the shipping

39:12

industry, you know, the you know the

39:14

the pier, I guess the operations at the pier

39:16

that you know somehow related to that port, or

39:19

automotive suppliers or automotive manufacturers,

39:22

because there's a many big factories that have strategically

39:24

located themselves right in that area as well, not

39:27

just Toyota, but other automotive manuser he's

39:30

there, or they have an or in d place

39:32

there, spark plug

39:35

makers, component creators,

39:37

even the railcar rolling

39:39

stock manufacturers, sin Kansen manufacturers

39:42

are there. Sure, and we said

39:44

that twice. Now that's high speed trains, right, yes,

39:47

sorry, yeah, bullet trains we call them. They

39:49

are insane, you know

39:51

what I mean. They put our little train train

39:54

network here in Atlanta to shame.

39:56

What do you know what your top speed was just

39:59

just off hand, roughly one

40:02

I was on I

40:05

believe was going

40:07

I mean next easily an excess of

40:10

two hundred. But

40:13

it doesn't feel like it, you know, until

40:15

you look out the window. No, yeah,

40:17

look out the window. And the thing

40:20

that's amazing is how on time they

40:22

are now quickly they stopped. And

40:24

also it's much more like being on a plane, you

40:27

know how before air travel became

40:29

more affordable, Like we saw

40:31

this at the Hershey Museum in

40:34

Pennsylvania, the Hershey Automotive Museum.

40:37

Before air travel became more affordable,

40:40

most people would travel long

40:42

distances on charter buses.

40:45

And the charter buses was very much like going

40:47

on a plane. You had you had

40:49

like flight attendance bus attendants. They

40:52

would cook stuff and serve it to you. They

40:54

had uniforms, had foot rest, there was

40:56

overhead storage that was you know, like would

40:59

like shelving, and they had you know,

41:01

really nice plush seats. They

41:03

were it was These coaches were beautiful.

41:05

I mean it was it was like pretty

41:08

I mean, more than acceptable way to get

41:10

around. It was pretty luxurious in a way.

41:12

I mean I still know that, you know, there were

41:14

better ways to travel, but this wasn't

41:16

too bad really, I mean, lots of leg room, lots

41:19

of shoulder room. It was. It was definitely

41:21

a good way to get across the country if you had to a

41:24

little far than playing obviously little

41:26

but but man, they were cool looking, they

41:28

really were. There was a whole basement full of them, wasn't there,

41:31

Yes, But we went there and we were able to were

41:33

able to get on them and kind of sit in the sitting

41:36

the driver's seat and stuff. I think that was stuff that they

41:38

were letting us do, just do it because

41:40

we we were taking them behind the scenes tour.

41:42

Yeah, we also got to see where they were fixing

41:44

up a lot of those vehicles. Our friend Glenn

41:47

Beck arranged that for us. Yeah, that we still

41:50

and we thank him for that because that was quite

41:52

an experience all around. It was a lot

41:54

of fun. Something I always remember point

41:56

this out. I was I was mistaken

41:58

that Shinkansen speedio is confusing my kilometers

42:01

and my miles per hour. I believe it

42:03

was three kilometers an

42:06

hour, which makes about six

42:08

That's still fast. That's you know what, that's still two

42:11

hundred miles an hour to me, that's quick. I mean, fourteen

42:13

miles an hour doesn't matter when you're going a hundred and

42:15

eighty six. I don't think you know. Well, one

42:17

thing that does really hit you about

42:20

the speed of that kind of transportation, which I'm

42:22

sure you're familiar with, Scott, is that if

42:24

you go the wrong way or

42:26

you miss your stop, you don't. You

42:28

don't have a lot of time to recover

42:31

from that one. Yeah, exactly, I would.

42:33

Uh yeah, I definitely I

42:35

had, you know, the nerves. I travel on a

42:37

megleft, meg left train, but I had the knowledge

42:39

of knowing that there's only one train on the track at

42:41

the time, you know, and uh and it's pretty

42:44

easy to sit back and relax on that one.

42:47

Yeah, when there's like other trains that you're worried about being

42:49

switched onto your line, that would be a whole lot

42:52

more nerve racking, I think. And um, not that

42:54

that's necessarily happened a lot, but there have been

42:57

incidents here and there. It's very few and far between

42:59

though. But but man, that's really cool that you got to

43:01

do that something that we've been talking about. And

43:04

what a trip. I mean, overall, I'm sure you

43:06

didn't need to eat eat anything gross on the streets

43:08

out there or anything. You didn't need any gross street food

43:10

or anything. I know you because you're you're

43:12

not an adventurous eat here at all. You're very

43:15

very you know, meat and potatoes kind of guy. All

43:17

Right, I'm gonna tell you the weirdest

43:19

thing day. Uh wait, wait,

43:21

wait, wait, wait, let me make sure I have a bucket nearby

43:24

just in case, because it might not

43:26

be comfortable. I mean, really, court he has extremely

43:29

adventurous diet with a

43:31

very winning Rome attitude. I

43:33

know this may not be super popular with

43:35

some of us listening, but I had to try it at least

43:38

once a horse a

43:40

horse sashimi, which means

43:42

it was wrong. And uh,

43:45

it's an interesting experience, but I

43:49

don't I don't see myself doing

43:51

that again in the future unless I have to

43:53

to survive or something. Yeah, but

43:55

you know, um, you ate horse interesting

43:58

and but okay, all right, fast

44:00

fascinating. I'm not going to take this any

44:02

direction that I shouldn't right now. But that's that's great,

44:04

that's great. I thought you would be happy. Good

44:06

for you. I didn't say seafood.

44:10

I thought you were creatures of the deep man.

44:13

I thought you were gonna go with you know, I ate a

44:15

tarantula on a stick or something like that. You

44:17

know, I was gonna be I thought it's gonna be just repulsed

44:19

by this. But I can kind of understand

44:21

it if that's if that is a uh,

44:24

you know, I think some people are gonna have trouble

44:26

with that. I could see somebody getting

44:28

upset. But but what

44:31

do you think? I mean? Okay, so now I know somebody

44:33

who's knowingly eating horse. Listen,

44:38

I've had some I've had some steaks. It's some bad

44:40

places that I assume our horses asked

44:42

steak. It's no

44:48

I've actually labeled like, oh boy, this is the horse's

44:50

ass cut of steak. I can tell. But

44:52

but but seriously, like what was the texture?

44:55

What was it like? Was like red meat? Yeah?

44:57

Yeah, it was like red meat. It was It

45:00

had a

45:02

a surprising

45:04

kind of sweet note to

45:06

it. Um. There

45:09

was this sauce. The weirdest thing in the way

45:11

they served it to us. Oh wait, wait,

45:13

I've had this before at Arby's. There's Horsey sauce.

45:15

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's it's in a packet.

45:17

It's now that you mentioned it. I was at an Arby's.

45:21

It's a very high end restaurant. I

45:24

understand, now understand. Uh,

45:26

Well, the weird thing was when they served this.

45:28

Um, when they served this to us,

45:31

Uh, you know, we were we were in an

45:33

Okay restaurant. We were in like a nice date

45:36

restaurant. You know what I mean. It wouldn't be a

45:38

super super expensive restaurant, but

45:41

just a nicer place, fancy

45:43

pants. Yeah, I mean it's Arby's. Yeah,

45:45

right, so I had a tie on the

45:47

roast beef. Uh. Well, anyway,

45:49

this place, which was technically not

45:51

in Arby's, but don't let that everyone the story. Uh.

45:54

The weird thing was when we ordered it,

45:56

at first, they didn't believe it, and I thought, well,

45:59

you know, neither of

46:01

us are fluent in Japanese. Maybe this is a different

46:03

translation, maybe this is some kind

46:06

of cut of beef or something I'm

46:08

not aware of. And I'm checked with

46:10

the with the staff there,

46:13

and they're like, yeah, that's the worse. Do

46:15

you want some more, because we'll give it to you. And

46:17

so I I always in a

46:19

situation where I said, well we have to, And

46:22

so we ordered some not not like

46:26

a huge platter. We weren't like just

46:28

bringing the whole thing out, um did

46:30

you didn't have to go select it from a pin of

46:32

course or something like I'll

46:35

have that one right. Uh.

46:38

But when we tried it. The strangest

46:41

thing about it is like there was like

46:43

great ceremony with bringing this out,

46:45

except when they brought out the sauce because

46:48

there was this wide, shallow bowl

46:51

and at the very bottom in

46:53

like uh an an indented circular

46:56

area, I was where the sauce

46:58

lived. I don't know why the bowl

47:01

was so wide, nor why it was so

47:03

shallow. It's like a curved plate with

47:05

a little dollarp of this

47:07

admittedly pretty tasty sauce. And

47:10

I was thinking when they brought this out, I was like,

47:12

wow, do people

47:15

do people mainly just order this for

47:17

the sauce? You know, like how

47:19

you have to order chips when you order a caso

47:22

dip because otherwise you look like, you know,

47:24

like you have a problem. Was it really there's

47:27

something wrong with you? Um? Is

47:29

there? Um? Was it like really intense

47:31

flavor or was it like it really it was a little

47:34

it was like kind of smoky sweet.

47:36

It wasn't. I would not say

47:38

it was super duper intense. It

47:40

wasn't. It wasn't bad. Um.

47:43

You know, I learned that there are some problems

47:46

people have with that industry, like

47:48

the provenance of the of the

47:50

horses themselves. But also,

47:52

you know, we have to admit here in the

47:55

States we can be a little bit hypocritical

47:58

about what we consider edible not

48:00

edible, objectionable and fine. Sure,

48:02

and you know, pigs are quite intelligent, and that's

48:05

never stopped me, uh from

48:07

getting a pulled pork barbecue sandwichard

48:10

arbues. Yeah. Sure, there's a sacred cows

48:12

you know. Of course we've heard that. But

48:15

yeah, I understand, like it's it's just a different

48:17

region the world. They have different you

48:19

know, norms, I guess. And that's why I was saying

48:21

controversial. I mean, I and I. You'd

48:24

have to look into how it's harvested,

48:26

I guess, and you know, the practices behind

48:28

that. I can't believe. It's interesting.

48:30

That's it's it's it's you've got

48:33

good travel stories. I'm sorry that I

48:35

derailed us so much here,

48:38

but you know, I'm I'm also just gonna point

48:40

out, Okay, I was a vegetarian

48:43

years back for a few years. I feel like I've put

48:46

my time in, you know what

48:48

I mean, I'm still catching up with everybody. Yeah,

48:50

I get you. He didn't derail us, man, that's

48:52

a trip to Japan deserves

48:54

at least an episode of talking about what

48:56

you saw, what you did, and uh, and

48:59

the food, of course, it's part of it, you know, just the culture

49:01

and you know, everything around that trip. So I'm

49:03

fascinated to hear about you know, when anybody travels,

49:06

Kurt, if you traveling we're in the future, or

49:08

have traveled anywhere that you want to talk about, Let's

49:10

let's have at it here on this show, because there's always

49:13

something fascinating to discover

49:15

about new places. For you

49:17

know, we have our questions and I'm sure listeners other

49:19

questions. Maybe some of them are overlapping, and we'll you

49:21

know, answer some of them for them out there.

49:24

You know, guys, let's go, let's go on an

49:26

adventure together. The only way

49:28

the Goya Museum could have been

49:30

cooler is if you guys

49:32

were there too. Oh shucks, that's nice.

49:38

Maybe not at the Romantic Horse Museum

49:41

or not horse museum restaurant.

49:44

Yeah, was it a horse restaurant?

49:47

No, No, they just had it on

49:49

the menu. It was called Roy Rogers

49:51

Triggers. Is that the

49:54

they had it, They had it

49:56

on the menu, and I felt like

49:58

we just we we had to do

50:00

it. Was it my proudest moment? No? Uh,

50:03

do I regret it? Not really? Um,

50:07

but but also on

50:09

the very last note, this

50:11

is something that I think a lot of

50:13

a lot of people in the audience who have traveled will

50:16

also notice, Uh, every

50:19

time I'm in a different country, man, I'm

50:21

so weird it out by which cars are

50:24

common and which are considered fancy

50:26

or you know, um,

50:29

what's considered obscure. You

50:31

go to some places and it's just Fiats everywhere.

50:34

Yeah, why wouldn't you have a Fiat? Sure? And

50:36

uh, you go to other places and

50:39

like, you know, it's

50:41

weird. It's weird how Mercedes

50:45

are not impressive cars in some country.

50:48

And I keep wondering, I'm like, are they just super

50:50

cheap? Here? Are we getting? Are we the

50:52

ones getting ripped off? It's interesting,

50:55

isn't it? Like just to find out what's what's the norm

50:57

there versus the norm here? And you know,

50:59

the odd alls are the ones that always intrigued

51:01

me. Like you said, like when you know there's a certain

51:03

region and you find out that, hey, just

51:06

about everybody has a three wheel car here. You know,

51:08

it's it's pretty rare where we are, but

51:10

you know, it's it's something that's commonly

51:13

seen there. You see it on the on the you know, side of the road

51:15

all the time. They're rented to tourists

51:17

they're rented. You know, the people that do find them different

51:20

or unique or exciting in some way, and they know

51:22

that you all right, so they kind of prey on that.

51:24

But yeah, good for them. It's it's fun. It's always interesting

51:27

to travel. I love doing it, and you get good stories

51:29

like the Nigoya Toyota Museum. I

51:32

don't have the name exactly right there. I know that

51:34

the Toyota Autobile Museum

51:36

of Nigoya, I think is what it's called. If you want to search

51:38

for it and and check out what Ben has already

51:40

seen in the past. And I'm a bit jealous,

51:42

but I'm a little jelly. As the kids say, well

51:45

of you being able to go there and

51:47

and do that. But I know it also it takes a lot

51:49

of hard work to be able to get to do something like that,

51:51

so good for you. And that's a good experience

51:54

experience. And we were fortunate not to have

51:56

to walk down the mountain that time. Yeah,

52:00

I didn't get kicked out of the country, which I

52:02

take as a solid wind given

52:05

my past, so or the museum

52:07

or the museum which I got close. I wish

52:10

I had known about you guys techniques

52:12

earlier. If I had that kickstand some

52:14

weighted pants. Yeah, well you know

52:16

what they say, man, dog slids don't

52:18

have a review mirrors. That

52:21

was perfect. Well yeah, I mean that's why it

52:23

works. It

52:25

works, and it all comes around right, full circle,

52:27

full circle exactly. So oh

52:30

gosh, and we exhausted the Nagoya Toy

52:32

Museum yet I think we've done okay

52:35

jobs just sketching out some of the high

52:37

notes of the museum. Thank you so much

52:40

for listening, folks. We want to hear

52:42

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52:45

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52:47

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