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Welcome to car Stuff, a production

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of I Heart Radio's How Stuff Works. Hi,

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and welcome to car Stuff on your host, Scott Benjamin.

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I'm Ben Bolan, and I am Kurt Garon.

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Kay. But that's all three of us again. But we're all here

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again. Attendance. That's always

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good, right, I mean, I guess

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we could forge on with maybe maybe

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two people, but um better

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if we have all three. Well, of the three

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of us, I am probably the sketchiest, and

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so there may be times when I dip away, but

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the three of us are here together doing

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sort of a what people in broadcaster

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entertainment we'll call destination stuff.

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Right, We're here at a specific time to

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do a specific thing, and for us it's

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live, right. We can't pull

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this moment up again on YouTube or anything. Oh

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absolutely yeah for us. But maybe

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maybe through the magic of editing. Do you think we could

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we could fix a few things, because you know, I have a foul

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mouth. That's that's I mean, that's that's

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Kurt Garon right there, folks. No,

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No, I really don't. I'm just kidding, Ben, that's you that hasn't.

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Yeah, probably no,

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really to to be serious. So we come in here

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and we've got Sometimes we have a topic that

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we've you know, we've got facts

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and figures and stats nailed down for and you

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know, it's very concrete. It's something we can go

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right to and say, you know, it's this event, it's happening

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on this day, and here's the history of it, and you know, etcetera.

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This one's just a little bit more um

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nebulous, I guess, and that we can kind of take this a

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few different ways if you like. And uh,

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it's more of a question than I had about I

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guess in a way the

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absence of something that I miss from

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the past a little bit, and I wonder

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if it's coming back or if it's still out there, but I'm

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just missing out. Maybe that's the other part of this whole

1:43

thing, as as Kurt as show me a little

1:45

bit over the last week, that I might be just missing

1:47

out on a few things. But my question

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to you initially was about Daredevil's

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and and stunt men, and I know there's stunt women

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too. Were just gonna say stunt men and stunt

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folk, I guess for this, No, I'm not gonna say

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stunt folk. Couple that, but

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you know, you get the idea, right. You know, people that jump motorcycles,

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people that jump cars, people that perform

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incredible acts of you know, physical

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daring. You know, they risk their lives in

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order to entertain us. And that's that was my

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question, is that is this still out

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there in the uh?

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I guess with the intensity that

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there was at some point during you know, the mid

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nineteen seventies, nineteen eighties, even

2:24

the late nineteen sixties, I guess think about

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the boy I want to say, I want to use the

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word, uh, flamboyant, but that's not right.

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I mean the no,

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yeah, death defines outlandish

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is a good one. I mean, like, um, larger

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than life. Okay, yeah,

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yeah, you guys are better than I can't think of my word

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now, but yes, yes, you've got all of those

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right, and and more. Uh kind of the

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the pageantry, I guess that was evil

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Kinevil. You think about him,

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Okay, he would come out of his trailer, you know,

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in front of the audience. He would have emerged from his trailer

2:57

with his cape on. He had his white

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leathers on that were red, white and blue. He would

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be carrying his home and under his arm. He had a cane in his

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hand, you know, with with gold. It had hit

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a gold cane that had I was black mostly,

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but had gold accents and diamonds on it.

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He was a showman, a true showman, and

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he would talk it up to the audience. I mean he was. He was

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as good as any professional wrestler

3:17

these days. You know in the ring when they do their speech ahead

3:20

of time, you know there you know their story.

3:22

H He was just as good as any of those guys were

3:24

about talking himself up, about promoting himself.

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And know how dangerous this is gonna be, you know, like

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you might witness my grizzly death this afternoon.

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But I want you to know this. I've come through

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with every promise that I've ever made for you

3:36

people, and I do it for you, and I do

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it for me, you know that kind of thing. And if if

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you are a member of the audience

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in the actual arena or what have

3:46

you, and if you're watching live

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at home on television, right, which they did

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pretty often, then there's this

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moment in that speech where you think I

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might be one of the last people to hear this

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guy talk. Evil went

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on a lot like he clashed a lot,

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So there's always that yeah, that

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chance. Oh sure, And some people watch just for that,

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right, Like like some people watch NASCAR for that, right,

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they want to see the crash, they want to see the big one, right.

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So there's there's that element. But I think

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that like the pageantry, the

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um, the audacity of this character, you

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know, just like how would come out and just just right

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in your face tell you what he thought of it. He was. He was kind

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of a straight shooter as well. Um, things

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weren't going right, he would he would let you know, um

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and not just evil kine evil. There were other people

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too that were like that in the in the past. There was a guy,

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um that went by the name of the Human

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Fly that we'll talk about in a little while. He was a little

4:35

bit like that. He had some of the costume characteristics

4:38

or traits down that you know, we're made

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him intriguing in some ways. He the guy who climbed.

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No, no, it's a different guy. This

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is this is a stunt man. But many

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people went by the name of the Human Fly. I'm thinking of

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one in particular as a Canadian stuntman will

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decide no. But

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but I guess overall, I'm just

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thinking of like, where are the where the showman

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of today? I mean know that I do

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know that there are stunt men out there.

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I know that there are people performing and women stunt

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women that are performing a lot of

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death defying stunts, a lot of stunts that do

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require a great deal of skill. Um,

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you know, a great deal of of courage,

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of course, But where's

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the where's the build up the excitement

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of all that along with it? You know, where where's that gone?

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And We've got a few theories that we've kind of just

5:24

real tentatively talked about in the hallway here at

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work. But I think today if we could

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just kind of talk this through, maybe I'd feel a little

5:30

bit better about it. Because, as

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we said in an earlier episode, sometimes

5:34

things happen that are monumental in

5:37

our I guess I'll card our industry. You

5:39

know, we we like anything automotive, motorcycle,

5:42

whatever, trucks, trains,

5:44

airplanes, all that stuff. We love all that stuff. Boats,

5:47

But sometimes there are things that happen. You

5:49

know that world records are broken and we don't hear about

5:51

them for a long time until listener writes in and says,

5:54

hey, did you happen to catch this? You can see

5:56

it on YouTube. Now it turns out it was on

5:58

television, but it was on like know, some

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late night Fox Sports News or

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something, or it was on yeah,

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something like that. It's just there's there's

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a lot happening out there still, I know, but

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you have to you have to really search for it. You have to

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find it. Yeah. What happened to the days

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of nationally or in some cases

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globally televised things where

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there would be someone saying, you know, tonight,

6:23

ladies and gentlemen, for one time and

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one time only, Kurt Darren

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Garrin, will you know, perform the

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death defying triple access

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jump while sword fighting

6:34

an alligator who's also on the motorcycle

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over school buses that are set on

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fire, and now a word from Garrett

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like it was what happened to that?

6:45

That's exciting and everybody listening, we're all

6:47

kind of like, oh, there's a motorcycle, there's an

6:49

alligator. Okay, I got oh yeah,

6:51

I got ten minutes. What's going on? Well,

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that might be part of the problem, right, I mean, that

6:56

might be some of it. You know, you can't wait for that type of

6:58

stuff. But I feel like you're right, Ben, that

7:00

there's not one place. This

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is one theory and uh, and I

7:05

know this is a little tough to grasp everything,

7:07

and I'm trying to have you get here, and I don't know if I'm really

7:09

conveying it as as concisely as

7:11

I really want to get it. But it doesn't

7:13

it feel like there's not one place

7:16

to go to see something like this happened. I mean

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it was ABC Sports. They had the um

7:20

Wide World of Sports where Evil Kinevil appeared

7:23

and what like seventeen times I think on

7:26

on that show, and some of his jumps

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in some of his specials that he had on that program

7:30

are still like ranked number one in

7:32

all time viewership for that

7:35

particular brand. So they were on air

7:37

from like nineteen I want to say it's nineteen sixty

7:39

one until I was like or

7:42

something. It was like thirty some years, like thirty

7:44

seven years, thirty eight years, and some of

7:46

his stunts are still like

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top five top you know, I shouldn't

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say still at the end, they were

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you know, like top five contenders

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for the most watched of the of all the

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programs that they did over that thirty seven years, so

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widely popular. And I know I keep saying evil Kinevil.

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There are many others that will we can you

8:04

know, touch on today and discuss because there

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are people doing some fascinating and and

8:09

really dangerous things and and fun

8:11

things to watch if you're there, if you're you know, in

8:13

the crowd, but it's

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kind of few and far between now. It seems like, um,

8:18

you know, you have to you have to go to the event to see

8:20

it happen. You have to, or or you have

8:22

to catch it on YouTube a month later or

8:24

a week later or whatever it is. Um,

8:26

you have to either you know, catch wind of it early, maybe

8:28

through a club or a group that says, hey, this jump

8:31

is going to be happening at this right

8:33

come and check it out. You know, there are ten thousand

8:35

people in attendance or twenty thousand or whatever.

8:37

But if you're not among those people, you

8:39

know, they're the ones who posted then and everybody else

8:41

sees it. And sometimes it's like an exhibition

8:43

or opening act, you know, before

8:45

a race. Yes, yeah, and I

8:48

think that maybe, um, one

8:50

of the one of the ones that I can think of in recent

8:52

past. There was before the one hundredth Indianapolis

8:54

five hundred, they did a jump with an

8:58

all terrain truck. It was a four wheel drive truck, and

9:00

it was made to look like a Hot Wheels ramp.

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It was. It was a Hot Wheels anniversary

9:06

jump for the five before the race, and they

9:08

had this is like a ten story

9:10

orange track set up so it looked like a Hot Wheels

9:12

truck on a Hot Wheels track. And

9:15

this guy did this incredibly long jump. I have

9:17

the information here somewhere. I think it was I

9:19

want to say Tanner Faust, but that might not be

9:21

the right names. We get to it. I'll tell you did some

9:23

incredible long jump right in front of a live audience.

9:25

That's a huge audience. That's hundreds of

9:28

thousands of people, maybe half a million up

9:30

to half a million for that race in particular,

9:33

So that's a huge live event. And it was also

9:35

televised and a lot of people watched that. So

9:38

there's a chance that a lot of people saw that one

9:40

event. But you know who who here

9:42

knows in you know in this room,

9:44

even that just a few

9:46

months ago there was going to be the world

9:49

record distance jump for a motorcycle. I

9:51

was not aware of this. It never happened, didn't

9:54

happen. The rider was injured the day

9:56

that it was or the day before. I think that it was supposed

9:58

to happen. He was in a practice ump uh

10:00

injured both of his ankles and it never happened. But I

10:03

was gonna be a live event called Evil. I

10:05

think it was the Evil Live two or Live Evil two.

10:07

The Evil spelled like yeah.

10:10

And there was also a female writer that was going to do

10:12

and I think she did right through several

10:15

burning walls. She's gonna break a world record

10:18

for how many she went through, and I

10:20

believe she did in fact do that. But the long

10:22

distance jump never occurred, and it might happen

10:24

this year. You never know if he recovers

10:27

well enough. But the guy's name was Axel

10:29

Hodges, I believe. But I never

10:31

heard about the promotion the lead up to it, So if I

10:33

did want to watch it, I would have had to have been

10:35

going to very specific places to find that information,

10:38

or on Facebook on the right Facebook pages

10:40

to find that information. So do you think

10:43

it's an issue of the

10:45

audience, the large audience losing

10:48

interest or do you think it's an issue of

10:50

the way that people

10:54

find or transmit this information,

10:56

Because this when we talked about

10:58

this one of the things I started digging into stuff

11:01

like the X Games, and the X

11:03

Games have tons of crazy

11:05

stunt riders, you know, crazy, very

11:08

talented, yeah, very precise,

11:10

very talented um

11:12

bikers and people who

11:14

are writing who are doing you know, not

11:17

one trick ponies, they're doing multiple stunts,

11:19

multiple vehicles and stuff, and they're

11:21

around and they are as accomplished

11:25

technically as many of

11:28

the greats of yesteryear. And

11:31

it seems like they have a great crowd at the X Games.

11:33

But again, to your point,

11:36

it's not something you hear about

11:39

on the radio. It's not something

11:41

that you often. Oddly enough, even if

11:43

you go to a lot of car news sites,

11:45

you don't really hear a lot about this stuff. So

11:48

I wonder what happened, you know, even when

11:50

we were talking about the thrust SSC

11:53

back a few months ago and

11:55

then Jesse Combs I think was

11:57

her name, and she was attending the fastest

12:00

land speed record for a woman. I mean,

12:03

I did not hear anything about that. Yeah, you didn't

12:05

hear about anything until after the crash, Right,

12:07

things like that that happened, you don't hear about

12:09

it for whatever reason, do you think? Okay,

12:11

so you said all the reasons you said that, you

12:14

know, the audience is fragmented. That's one right.

12:16

You have to be going to specific sites in order to be

12:18

be notified that anything is happening to begin

12:20

with. Um, it's not like everybody's going

12:22

to ABC now to watch the Wide World of Sports

12:25

on you know, whenever it was there, and I can't remember.

12:27

I remember, I do remember watching it, but I don't remember

12:29

what day it errored, or it was a Sunday or is the

12:31

weekend? I think, But

12:33

do you think that Okay, a lot

12:36

of things have taken the place, So like there's pay per

12:38

view events which are popular, and a lot

12:40

of people have used pay per view to see things

12:42

like that. Like I think that guy keep going

12:44

back to Evil Kin Evil, but I think that his um

12:46

Snake River canyon jump was a

12:48

pay per view event. Pay per view goes back to the nineteen

12:51

fifties, believe it or not. I didn't know that until

12:54

just today when I looked it up. I thought, paper,

12:56

you know, there were there were like maybe thirty thousand people

12:58

that that witnessed, you know, that canyon jumper

13:01

that attempted canyon jump of his h

13:03

and they all saw it live, but you know, and

13:05

they of course filmed it, but

13:08

anybody else that wanted to see that they would have to

13:10

watch either a week later on again

13:12

Wild World of Sports where they rebroadcast that whole

13:14

fright, or go to uh,

13:17

you know, like again a pay per view situation

13:19

where you know they're paying at the time. We're

13:22

talking like maybe two dollars to rent the paper

13:24

view or stuffing. It's not like you know, the fights now

13:26

where it's you know, eighty dollars a hundred dollars

13:28

to watch a fight. But there's all

13:30

of that. And then also again this kind

13:32

of goes back again to the performers themselves,

13:35

the people themselves. It's not that there's not interesting

13:37

characters out there, because there are plenty of people. As

13:40

Ben said that there wildly

13:42

talented and they do a lot of things, you know,

13:44

like that there's somebody that could you know, be equally

13:46

talented in a rally car um

13:49

and a BMX bike. They do stunts

13:51

on you know whatever. I mean, they're just their adrenaline junkies.

13:54

They love this stuff. Right, How

14:02

much of this comes back to there's not

14:04

like those those kind of stand

14:06

out, bigger than life characters. Like

14:09

Evil Kinevil was. I mean, he

14:11

was just an absolute showman.

14:13

I mean he made appearances on late night talk shows.

14:16

He was kind of making the circuit, you know that, um

14:18

um promoting himself. He was going, um, he's

14:21

seen in public doing a lot of things, you know,

14:23

well good and bad. Right, um.

14:25

But he made a name for himself and he's

14:28

a big self promoter. He was someone who you

14:30

know, was never shy about talking about himself.

14:32

I'll put it that way.

14:34

Yeah, yeah, Kurt and I

14:36

had a funny conversation earlier. I'll say

14:38

something in just a minute about that. But and someone in fact,

14:41

someone said, you know, he wasn't one to you

14:43

know, come up with like poetry like Muhammad

14:45

Ali Wood on the on the spot. He

14:48

was really good at the pr game, right. He

14:50

was amazing and really

14:53

talented of course as well, you know he had he could back

14:55

it up. Evil could back it up with

14:57

what he would do his stunts and ever. You know, he always

14:59

he always delivered on what he promised, and

15:01

he would say something that was meanful and

15:04

he had a lot of gravity whatever he said to

15:06

it. And he would promise things to the fans

15:08

for the near future and He was always leading

15:10

them to the next thing and the next thing and the next

15:12

thing. And that was part of his game, is

15:15

that you know, I've given this to you and

15:17

I told you i'd do this, and I did this. You know,

15:19

he might have even known that his bike wasn't going to make

15:21

the jump, and he'd do it. So when

15:24

when, But he would say

15:27

September, You're gonna see something

15:29

bigger than ever. I bought my own property

15:31

on the Snake River. I own a piece of that canyon.

15:34

They're not going to stop me. So it's kind

15:36

of about against the instead

15:38

of about against another boxer or driver.

15:40

It's about against physics, it's

15:42

about against nature. Yeah, and

15:45

he always was playing, you know, he was just

15:47

he was big into saying what's what's the

15:49

next thing? And that's with That's the thing with these

15:51

these guys to do these stunts and women to do these

15:53

stunts, is that it always

15:55

always has to be bigger, better,

15:58

faster, longer, you know all that as

16:01

otherwise, why am I watching? I

16:03

see what you're saying. Yeah, it has to have that

16:06

exponential growth. I

16:08

would also and this this is a point

16:10

that I'm not completely sure on, I would

16:13

also say the nicknames

16:15

were cooler. People still

16:17

do have that showmanship. But

16:20

there are people like Lawrence de Smet

16:22

who was named Indian Larry. Not

16:25

in a racist way. It's because he was known

16:27

for riding around on a chopped Indian motorcycle

16:30

Indian Larry. I did watch some some clips of Indian

16:32

Larry. He was a bike builder, right,

16:34

yeah, and he became known for his stunts,

16:37

but it wasn't until later in

16:39

his life. He actually passed away in

16:41

a motorcycle crash during two thousand

16:43

and four at a bike build off. Yeah,

16:46

he was just like, as far as I know, I

16:48

mean, I think this is the story if if I'm not mistaking

16:50

it, wasn't he kind of doing some impromptu stunts

16:52

in the parking lot, I believe so, Yeah, and

16:55

uh took a topple and ended up with a concussion

16:57

that was turned fatal. And

17:00

or what about people like Doug

17:02

Domokos, the wheelie King to

17:04

hear this, I don't know about that guy. He was

17:06

super famous in the eighties and nineties. He

17:08

went up Lombard Street

17:11

in San Francisco. I think you're right, Oh,

17:14

you know what, I think that's him?

17:16

Was his name again? The Wheelie King Doug

17:18

Demokos. He set the record

17:20

for the longest continuous wheelie a hundred

17:23

and forty five miles. It's a very different

17:25

stunt. Was this one that's incredible a

17:28

television show? I'm sure he had

17:30

to be our one and had

17:32

I mean, if if that's the one I remember watching that one

17:35

on that's in Crow. I don't know the guy's name, but I remember

17:37

a long long time ago was one of my favorite shows. But

17:39

yeah, there's a ton of people that do stuff like

17:41

this, and um one,

17:44

I just wanted to throw a few more names out

17:46

though. While you're we're gearing up for this next year.

17:49

We don't have to talk about their history. But Fearless

17:51

Frank, Hurricane Hutch and

17:54

then of course evil Son

17:56

Robbie Knee. He goes by Captain

17:58

with a k Robbie kine

18:00

Evil. Yeah, he's he's out there doing I don't know if he's still jumping

18:03

or not. I'm not sure. I saw an early

18:05

clip by the way of well, we were

18:07

stuck on the Kinneval family because I got I've got something

18:09

more to say about this. I watched a this

18:12

is well worth your time. I as you

18:14

know, we've we've done a show on Evil Knevil

18:16

only on car stuff. We did that a long time ago,

18:19

and there was footage on this program

18:22

that I had never seen before about

18:24

Evil Kine Evil after we had dug into this for you

18:26

know, two weeks before, and I never saw anyse

18:28

clips. If you want to look it up on

18:30

YouTube, it's worth forty two minutes of your time

18:32

to watch, and I guarantee it. It's called

18:34

Evil Knevil Wide World of Sports

18:37

Classic and it's forty two minutes long. Ure

18:40

again, footage that I've never seen. There's audio

18:42

that I've never heard before, some inside

18:45

stories of people that were there that you know, we're

18:47

right around him, that you know, I

18:49

had never heard from before in the past.

18:51

It was it was a really well done short

18:53

documentary and uh and and I opening

18:56

footage. I mean it really was really cool. Some

18:58

different perspectives of a ramp, you know from

19:00

you know, where he saw it from. Fantastic

19:04

stuff is really really cool. But there's some amazing

19:07

stuntmen and some some people out there right

19:09

now, as as Curt pointed out, what

19:11

was it, Robbie Madison, is that right? Uh?

19:14

Yeah, yeah, he did that. Las Vegas jump that probably

19:17

not a lot of people have watched. It's got a lot of YouTube

19:19

views, but I mean in the

19:21

bigger picture, not a lot of people have watched this really.

19:24

So Robbie Madison did an an incredible

19:26

jump. Yeah, he jumped up

19:28

onto the Arc de Triomph in Las

19:30

Vegas and then um a flat top

19:32

building. Essentially it's very high. I don't

19:34

know exactly how high it is. And then

19:37

Hunter Fie also back

19:39

down as well. He landed

19:42

it. I mean he barely hung on.

19:44

But I mean it's ben

19:47

Until you see it, you don't. You don't quite

19:50

grasp what this guy did. Really. I mean

19:52

it's he's jumping onto on top

19:54

of a flat on top of a flat building.

19:57

This ten stories tall. It's a hundred feet

19:59

up a hundred twelve feet I think, Well, especially when they

20:01

show the view after he lands, you

20:03

know, they show him up. They're riding around a little bit,

20:05

because of course they have to like ride around. You

20:07

can imagine would be even more

20:09

scary. I'll check that out.

20:12

I know he's Australian. I know

20:14

that he's done like he's

20:16

legit. His day jobs as a stunt

20:18

double. He was Daniel Craig

20:21

stunt double in uh some James

20:23

Bond films, and he also he

20:25

won a gold medal in the X Game. He

20:28

did thirteen backflips. This

20:30

guy is crazy on a bike. And he also recreated

20:32

some famous stunts like

20:35

he followed in Evil King Evil Steps.

20:37

So they're out there on a second.

20:39

Yeah, I guess I'm laughing. I'm sorry, I

20:41

gotta start. It couldn't have been thirteen

20:44

backflips in a row, right, It's

20:46

like falling from space. I

20:49

think they do maybe three in a row, three,

20:52

but not maybe thirteen

20:54

total over the competition. I

20:56

just my source doesn't say

20:58

whether these were consecutive. My

21:02

source, which is guess that's less

21:05

impressive. If you say, over the span of

21:07

your life you've done third team back I guess

21:09

so. But but I but no, he's to

21:11

to to be a stunt double in a James

21:13

Bond film, I would say, you have to have, you know, some

21:15

pretty good chops. Right now.

21:17

I do know that he I think I believe he's

21:20

the current record holder. Now this is where it gets tough

21:22

again. You don't go to one source like us. You don't

21:24

go to the Guinness bill World Records. So as far

21:26

as I've got it figured right now, three feet

21:30

and nine inches by Robbie Madison

21:32

is the longest ramp to ramp jump

21:34

at this point, and I believe that that was

21:36

the the record that Axel Hodges

21:38

was trying to break. He was going for like four hundred feet

21:41

or something, or over four hundred

21:43

feet when he had his accident where he broke his

21:45

or injured both of his ankles. And you can watch

21:48

the video the film of him

21:50

injuring both of his ankles, which is that it's not not

21:52

that hard to watch. I mean it been. It bends his foot

21:55

in a bad way. I guess when he lands, but it's an impressive

21:58

jump. I'll tell you that. When

22:06

Robbie Madison broke that record, that distance

22:09

record of three nine um

22:11

back in two thousand eleven. Again this is a long time ago.

22:14

Now it's two thousand eleven, there was another guy

22:16

that did the jump simultaneously with

22:18

him on a snowmobile and

22:21

the snowmobile went significantly

22:23

farther than Robbie did on his bike,

22:26

which I thought was really fascinating. The snowmobile,

22:28

get this is is driven by a guy named Levi,

22:31

and I hope I gets re last name right, it's laval

22:34

or La Valley. He jumped a snowmobile

22:36

a world record distance of four hundred and

22:39

twelve feet, so you know, they're

22:41

side by side. He continues to sail

22:43

for an additional what is that thirty some odd

22:45

feet farther than than Robbie

22:47

did. But they did it side by side at this event

22:49

in San Diego, this Red Bull

22:52

No Limits event that they have every year now, which

22:54

is really a cool thing to watch. That's where they go

22:56

for a lot of world records. But Red Bull is

22:58

is a primary sponsor of these world

23:00

record attempts, and and they've done things

23:02

like, oh, you know, here's one that we can all maybe

23:05

think of a stunt person

23:07

not necessarily motorized. But remember

23:09

the guy that jumped from the stratosphere, Yes,

23:14

Felix bomb Garter. I

23:16

watched that recently as well, and that was

23:18

a Red Bull sponsored thing watched

23:20

live. That was remember watching that live?

23:23

Now, see that that is the type

23:25

of promotion without he he wasn't quite

23:28

the showman the character as

23:30

would be, you know like again evil

23:33

kin evil or you know, somebody like the human fly.

23:35

Maybe he wasn't. He wasn't on camera talking

23:37

trash in front of it. No, he was, but

23:40

it got the publicity that some of

23:42

the jumps in the past had received. So

23:44

that's that to me. That was one that was similar

23:47

where you know, that was what people were talking about

23:49

in the news in the morning. You know, when you go over head into work,

23:51

you hear that. You know, this either happened

23:53

or is going to happen. I don't remember um

23:55

and people would, you know, check it out

23:57

online. They go to red bull dot com or wherever

24:00

and check out that that jump. Well, yeah,

24:02

the live stream of that was there was a lot of

24:04

build up and a lot of um height

24:07

before and after that, and it was worthy,

24:11

super incredible. Absolutely, they have the

24:13

the cave not cave diving, not the

24:16

cave jumping. I guess it's called you know when

24:18

people dress up like flying squirrels. Yeah,

24:22

they glide wingsuits.

24:25

Yes, yes, I tried. I tried for

24:27

years to get our job to put

24:30

it in the budget for me to get one, but

24:32

it turns out there a little bit expensive and

24:34

accounting was not satisfied with my explanations.

24:38

I'd love to hear I would love to have heard those explanations.

24:41

You know who another another big one right now, And just

24:43

just a few more names because there and

24:45

and I know we're gonna be missing many that people

24:48

are gonna be upset. We don't mention we should still talk

24:50

about the human fly. Oh definitely.

24:52

But Travis Pastra,

24:56

he's this guy he broke you know, he broke

24:58

he did he why should say he recreated?

25:00

He didn't. He didn't necessarily break any records

25:03

that day, but he recreated three

25:05

of Evil Knievel's most famous stunts all

25:07

in one day. He did all in three hours, which

25:09

is really really impressive. I mean that's a that's a physical

25:12

feat that's really difficult. Also, wonder

25:14

how much of role technology plays.

25:17

Yes, you know what I mean? Sure, Yeah, I

25:19

mean Evil Knevil had that Harley.

25:21

It was basically a dirt racing bike,

25:24

like a dirt oval bike. I

25:26

think it wasn't His big thing

25:28

was that it was factory too, right,

25:30

Yeah, that it wasn't customized. Yeah,

25:33

it's a heavy, big bike. I don't

25:35

know how many pounds. I mean, I know the one that was

25:37

at Robbie Madison, he the one that he jumped in

25:39

Vegas. I think they said that bike was like fifty

25:42

pounds, so you know that that Harley's got way way more

25:44

than that anyway at least, and it's

25:46

not probably not distributed correctly, you know. Yeah,

25:49

yeah, exactly, You're right. It's just it was

25:51

just whatever he could buy from the factory and then he had it

25:53

tuned as he wanted. Of course, Um, there

25:55

were several of those jumps that he made where you would see

25:57

him switch bikes. He'd bring you know, five

26:00

or six bikes with different gearing to each

26:02

to the track and that way he would something he would sometimes,

26:04

you know, make those practice runs where you stop at the end of

26:06

the ramp, back it up and he would switch bikes

26:09

and you know some of that show maybe

26:11

you know, like it could be I don't

26:13

know, I mean that's again that's part of this whole

26:15

thing. Like it's well, I'm sure equipment

26:17

wouldn't whole would break all the time on those

26:19

practice jumps. Frames would crack

26:22

and all that sort of things. So yeah, absolutely,

26:24

backups absolutely, well, you know what, I know,

26:26

we're running a little bit tight on time, and hopefully

26:28

some people can you know, right in with some

26:31

other suggestions, you know, check out our Facebook

26:33

or whatever and say some memories

26:35

of the past or or you know, present that

26:38

are kind of equal to what we're talking about

26:40

right now, or maybe some you know voice some concerns

26:42

or some gripes or whatever. I don't care anything.

26:46

I'm just interested in in stunt writers and

26:48

stunt jumps and things like that right now. But um,

26:51

last one I want to mention is ken Block. I think everybody

26:53

kind of watches for the new Ken Block Jim

26:56

Conna, or at least he did early

26:58

on. Now I don't know what they're up to fourteen fIF teen,

27:00

it seems. But when ken Block was

27:02

doing his Gym Conner series, um, he

27:04

wasn't necessarily breaking world records, and if he was,

27:06

I didn't know about it. But it was just fun

27:08

to watch. It was a lot of stunts that were somewhere

27:11

debt de fine. Of course, you know the speeds he's traveling

27:13

and the heights he's achieving, and you know what

27:15

he's doing. Um, but mostly

27:18

it's just tire smoking fun. That was what it was all

27:20

about. And uh, and I think a lot of people, you

27:22

know, as far as his stunt driving,

27:25

uh, they associate that with ken Block at

27:27

this point, I think. And

27:29

uh, And before we leave here, we definitely

27:31

need to talk about the human fly. What

27:33

a weird thing, right, Yes, a

27:35

very weird all right, it's a long story

27:38

short. The human

27:40

Fly was a

27:43

phenomenon during

27:45

the heyday of motorcycle stunts

27:47

back in the seventies, right, early eighties.

27:50

So obviously evil Kin Evil is

27:52

the is the king of

27:54

this stuff. But people who

27:56

followed this kind of stuff also followed the story

27:59

of someone named the human Fly. The

28:01

human Fly was only

28:03

ever seen in public in a rhine studded

28:06

red and silver masked

28:08

jumpsuit, and he had a little cape sometimes,

28:10

and his real identity

28:13

was a secret. And also

28:15

the stories that he and his team told

28:18

about what he did versus what he

28:20

actually did seemed, let's say,

28:22

um embellished to

28:24

to accelerate attention and fame.

28:27

Like. There were claims that he had sixty

28:29

percent of his skeleton replaced with steel.

28:34

Wait wait, just just sixty

28:36

Why didn't he just go the full hundred at that point? Because

28:38

he only did it when he had I don't know. I

28:41

think they just picked an interesting With each

28:43

accident he would replace that bone with

28:46

a better component until one day he

28:48

is more machine than man. Yeah, so

28:50

a lot of his stunts involved him being on

28:53

the outside of a jet plane, like strapped

28:55

on the outside of this. Okay, okay, hold on, hold

28:58

him. Yeah, so this is the part where

29:00

it gets really interesting to me. Now, there

29:02

are a lot of human flies that we've probably heard of that the

29:04

scale buildings, things like the suction

29:07

cups whatever, they climbed the Eiffel Tower.

29:09

This is not the human flower talking about. We're

29:11

talking about the guy that he would go on the outside

29:14

of jets, yes,

29:17

general planes, not not biplanes

29:19

at at an air show jets.

29:21

Yeah, yeah, and uh he

29:23

would. He would get strapped

29:26

to them. He had a ton of accidents,

29:28

obviously, and he was always

29:30

trying to beat Evil

29:32

Kinnevil, you know what I mean. Oh, he was also

29:34

a jumper. He also did some jumps. They

29:36

wanted to try to beat his different records,

29:39

like the thirteen school buses he

29:41

wanted to He originally wanted to try

29:43

it with thirty six, but his team

29:45

talked him down. Okay, I know, because that's

29:47

an impossible I think, I think I remember

29:49

this now, I you know what you're talking I was

29:51

frantically looking for my notes and now I'm just gonna have to wing

29:54

it because I can't find them. But um, I

29:56

think that he had a jet powered motorcycle,

29:58

is that right? Yes, and that's why he

30:00

decided to go for for thirty

30:03

six. Now, Kinevel was having trouble with you. Fourteen

30:06

you know, he was in that range and he was the

30:08

king of this right, thirteen or

30:10

fourteen was about maximum at that time. This

30:13

guy's going for three times that amount.

30:15

Yes, So he did with the help of guy named Kai

30:17

the rocketman Michaelson, who

30:20

added two rockets to this Harley

30:23

and according to Michaelson,

30:25

it had over six thousand horse power when

30:28

it's done. Okay, wait,

30:31

okay, so human Fly for the record

30:33

only said he was gonna jump twenties seven

30:35

bus Okay, okay,

30:38

So I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time containing

30:40

myself over here, because okay, here's the guy

30:42

with a six steel skeleton

30:45

on a six thousand horsepower motorcycle

30:47

trying to fly over thirty six buses

30:50

with a cape, with a cape, a secret

30:52

and a mask because you can't let

30:54

anybody know who is now. He's a Canadian stuntman, right.

30:57

He did make appearances, I know, on talk

31:00

shows, and he would appear he looked at he had

31:02

Um, you know, like one of those, um, what is

31:04

it the Mexican wrestling masks? Yeah,

31:06

what's it? Called Luca a Mess

31:08

exactly? He had one of those on It

31:10

was red that matched his outfit. I remember it

31:12

was like, what do you call it?

31:15

Just a a onesie I guess

31:17

and whatever. I don't know what else he would call. It really

31:19

looks like a Halloween costume. But

31:21

he was very serious about all this. I mean he said

31:23

that he claimed that he was in an accident that

31:25

had killed his wife and kid. He

31:27

survived and he used

31:30

his his his incredible mental

31:32

powers to bring himself back from you know,

31:34

the brink of death and decided he was going to just

31:37

live life on the edge. That was his story.

31:39

Do you want to know the

31:41

real story? Oh? Do I pull

31:43

the curtain back just for a second. Yeah. Uh

31:46

so. The real story is

31:48

that the human fly as a character, as

31:50

a concept, had been created

31:52

and bankrolled by these two

31:55

Canadian brothers who

31:57

wanted to uh diverse

31:59

a five from their families their family

32:02

business, which was literally making sausage.

32:04

They were called the Rama Sierri's, and

32:07

turned out that there had always been more than

32:09

one human fly. That's why there

32:11

was a mask. There were different dudes doing

32:14

these stunts, no kidding, but one

32:16

of them was a guy named Rick rose

32:18

Att, and he said, you

32:20

know, I'm not happy just being

32:23

a part time actor playing this dude.

32:25

I want a little more recognition,

32:28

right, So he told a reporter is real

32:30

identity. And then that's

32:32

why the Fly had one

32:36

famous last stunt, which is

32:38

that rocket bike, and

32:41

because the thrust was so much

32:43

more powerful than something he encountered before. Because

32:45

the ramp wasn't set up right, the bike actually

32:47

went way higher than it should have, and

32:49

then it stalled. When he let off the throttle,

32:52

the rear end drops, the

32:54

back is it almost goes completely

32:56

backwards. It hits the landing ramp and it crashes

32:58

down on the Fly. And then they say

33:00

that now anyway,

33:03

they look back again behind the curtain. They said,

33:05

well, this accident is the perfect time for us

33:07

to kill off this character. Now, okay,

33:09

he was he was made into a

33:11

comic book character. It looks

33:13

like him. It looks like him with the red

33:16

outfit and everything. It's he's a Marvel comic

33:18

book character of the day. And he had

33:20

a similar backstory to this guy. He was

33:22

was completely inspired by this

33:24

guy the superhero was. So that's a fascinating

33:27

story. And I should say this too. You know, we said

33:29

he was on top of jets. We're saying we're talking

33:32

like four engine d C eight.

33:34

He's on top of that and he's flying through the desert

33:37

at super low altitude. This is the

33:39

pilot was pretty there, devil too

33:43

extremely skilled, right, and the f A

33:46

did't want him to do it, obviously, But there's

33:48

a whole story around that as well. You know, he flew

33:50

in front of an audience to do this. Two

33:53

hundred and fifty three miles

33:55

per hour is the is the speed that he was traveling

33:57

when he was on top of that thing. They claim that he

33:59

could go over three hundred. But they had some trouble

34:01

at one point. I know that one one thing that happened.

34:04

Of course, he's in full leather, you know, to protect

34:06

him from you know, whatever might hit him while he's up there. Supposedly,

34:09

but one time they were I think this is in Dallas.

34:11

They did it two or three. I think it's three times. They did

34:13

three flights with him on top there, and

34:16

the third time they said they encountered a little

34:19

bit of rain when they were landing and the

34:21

pilot I've heard say that because there's interviews

34:24

with this pilot you can watch, you can even watch film of

34:26

them doing this. This fly by that looks

34:28

like the planes ten ft off the ground. It's probably

34:30

twenty ft, but it's that low. It's really

34:32

low. So he goes by and

34:35

they're landing rather as they come, they're

34:37

approaching, and uh, the

34:39

pilot said, you know, there's a little bit of rain, but it

34:41

was like that kind of rain where they're really big drops.

34:44

You know, just a few drops, but they're big drops.

34:46

And he said they were smacking the windshield of the plane. And

34:48

he said they were so loud, you know, there's just deafening

34:51

inside the cockpit. And he realized

34:53

at that moment, like, oh no, he's he's

34:55

out there, you know, he's in this and he's getting

34:58

hit with these things, these rain drops. If you've

35:00

ever been on a roller coaster in the rain, you know what that feels

35:02

like. It's it's unpleasant, very unpleasant.

35:05

So this guy's going two or

35:07

fifty three miles an hour potentially, you know,

35:09

maybe a little less because they're landing, but

35:12

he could barely walk when he got off the off

35:14

the top of the plane. They had to help him off, and even

35:16

with the leather protection and everything, he said, it

35:19

just bruised his whole body, really

35:21

damaged him. It was it was bad news for him, for

35:23

the for the human fly. But

35:25

but he encountered a lot of injuries

35:28

like that, you know, some stuff that we're just incidental

35:31

to what he was doing. Obviously, But now that

35:33

I know that there were many human flies, maybe

35:36

um, maybe that's it had a little more

35:38

um, I guess recovery

35:40

time that I thought he did. But

35:43

it's a it's a fascinating story and what a

35:45

crazy character to look at and and you

35:47

know, to watch these uh these interviews

35:50

where he goes into it just you know, really deadpan,

35:53

really straight on. You know, I'm I'm

35:56

better than evil kin Evel. I can do this. I you know, I've

35:58

got this, what Mutch, what I can do. Canadians

36:01

are, by the way, it's very national. He's

36:03

very nationalistic about it, like, yes, like I'm

36:06

going to show the world the Canadians are the best. And there's

36:08

nothing wrong with this. He's just promoting his

36:10

own national nationality. But he's like he's

36:12

super into the idea that you know Montreal,

36:15

people from Montreal specifically are the best

36:18

Canadians. And I'm gonna show

36:20

you how tough we are, right right right.

36:22

A cool story for the for the Kbaqua

36:25

and the Yankee. Like just

36:27

I wonder if there could be if

36:29

there could be a character like that

36:31

today? I mean, is there anybody that could be

36:33

like that? Like I've heard again Evil can

36:35

Evil? He's have heard him described as like Elvis

36:38

on a motorcycle doing doing stunts. He

36:40

was like that type of character, that eccentric

36:43

um you know again full showman. Is

36:45

there anybody out there that's still quite

36:48

to that level? There could

36:50

be? Uh? I think the idea of

36:52

this secret identity stuff is pretty

36:54

interesting. It would be hard to pull off in the age

36:56

of the Internet, but it would

36:58

be It would be a lot of fun. And hey, maybe

37:01

it will be you m either

37:03

either you Scott Kurd or you will

37:05

listen long with us today. What's your stunt?

37:08

You know? One one thing? Watching

37:10

that documentary of Vivil Kine Evils

37:13

jumps, you know, he comes up to Frank

37:15

Gifford at one point and says, you know, I'm getting up there in age.

37:17

I'm you know, I'm I'm thirty four years old. I don't

37:19

know if I can do this much longer. It's it's really taking

37:21

his toll on my body. And you're thinking, you're

37:24

thirty four years old, you know, it's it's hard to

37:26

believe it's already nearly time for

37:28

him to retire because of the punishment that he's received,

37:30

you know, over the decades that he's done it.

37:32

Yeah, I think that's a that's a good point. He

37:34

had a little helper to you know, that cane that I was talking

37:37

about. Look into what he carried in that cane

37:39

is a sword no booze

37:42

whiskey he had and he revealed

37:44

it on on I think the Carson

37:46

Show, the Johnny Carson so showing back in nineteen

37:48

seventy four. Uh, he made an appearance and they

37:51

were asking about his cane which he had with him,

37:53

and he unscrewed

37:55

the top and he pulled out a glass vial that

37:58

had a plastic top on it, and he handed it over

38:00

to Ed McMahon because he knew Ed McMahon was a drinker.

38:02

So he handed over to the whiskey over to mcman

38:05

and he screwed the top back on and that's

38:07

how everybody knew what was in there. And there's

38:09

there's space for three vials in

38:12

that cane. There's a there's a point where you can see where

38:14

can unscrew the top, and there's three vials look like test

38:16

tubes almost to fit down into it. And

38:18

so they said that, you know, he would have to have

38:20

that to kind of calm his nerves beforehand and

38:22

to kind of dull some of the pain that he would knew

38:25

he was going to endure before

38:27

each jump. So if you see him with that cane,

38:29

you know what's in there. You know, partially

38:31

it was also partially because he needed it

38:33

to walk a little bit at some point. How would you

38:35

pick how if you had the

38:38

opportunity to realistically take

38:40

a cane along with you, how would you

38:42

pick whiskey over a sword and you're

38:44

putting something in there. I have a cane sword,

38:47

it's cool. I would go with the joker

38:49

option, which has you know, like the the gas

38:52

poison gas with it. It's purple. It's always purple, right

38:54

so you can see it. Oh, yeah, that's that's

38:56

a little you know,

38:59

was it the penguin? Penguin had the

39:01

umbrellas, not the king. Oh maybe that's

39:03

what I'm thinking of. I'm terrible at this, but that was

39:05

I'm talking about the old Batman version. But you're

39:08

mainly when it comes to those comic books in superheroes,

39:10

you're mainly a human fly kind of dude.

39:13

Of course. Yeah, of course, I don't know.

39:15

Like this is the other thing too. You see, like

39:17

we mentioned on YouTube, you can see so

39:19

many people making these accomplishing

39:21

notes, say successfully, these amazing

39:25

death defying feats. We had talked before

39:27

off air about some of the crazy

39:29

stuff that you will see guys

39:31

getting into in the Middle East. You know, they're

39:34

out in the middle of the desert ghost

39:36

riding the whip or one guy turns turns

39:39

the car sideways such that it's

39:41

just on two tires and it looks like

39:43

it's not really find a lot of purchase on something.

39:46

And then you see another You see this dude

39:48

pop out of the top of the car, like get on

39:50

top of it and do some little you

39:52

know, steering with his foot. Have you

39:54

seen the ones where they get out and they remove one of the

39:56

tires and then put another tire back, and they

39:58

they'll take the tire off of the vehicles. It's

40:01

unbelievable. And they're on a road by the way

40:03

that's you know, it looks like it's ten lanes wide and

40:06

there's no one on the road. It's amazing. I

40:08

think it's Yeah, I think

40:10

the point of it is that these

40:13

things, these stunts are still happening.

40:16

It's just like you said, Scott, oftentimes

40:18

we're not seeing them live anymore. We're

40:20

going to YouTube and it's like,

40:22

look what this guy did in here's

40:25

the twist. He didn't die, you

40:28

know what I mean. But it's after the fact. I want

40:30

to know beforehand so I can watch this event

40:32

happen live. I mean, that's some of the that's some of the thrill.

40:34

That's some of the excitement for me, is that I don't

40:36

know what's gonna happen here, and I know that it would

40:38

be tragic if something terrible goes terribly wrong.

40:41

But that's that's part of the thrill

40:44

for the audience, right The live audience gets that

40:46

when you're watching it on YouTube, you already know what's

40:48

gonna happen. You already, I mean, it's already there

40:50

in the descriptions. Yeah,

40:53

I mean, or you've heard about it, and that's why you're watching anyway.

40:55

You know, either they made it fantastic, they didn't

40:57

make it that's terrible, but check out this reckon

40:59

they lived through it, or they walked you know, it's when it becomes

41:02

a and they walked away A moment with

41:04

those are cool too, but um

41:07

yeah, I just feel like, you know, there's just not

41:09

that that the build up in the excitement and that

41:11

pageantry, and that that that showmanship,

41:14

and that uh, those bigger than life characters

41:16

and where's the uh you know, where are the

41:18

modern day evil knevels? Where Where's where's

41:20

the Pacos Bill of our time? Right of

41:22

right now? Pacos Bill. I don't know why I said that.

41:24

That's an old reference from you know what

41:27

is that Tall Tales, right tales?

41:29

But but someone who really backs it up,

41:31

who really does what they say, and you

41:34

know, um, I don't

41:36

know. I just I just kind of missing some

41:38

of that, uh, that excitement, that tension,

41:40

that that's where the adrenaline comes for the

41:42

rest of us. You know what, what other

41:45

genre this is unrelated to to the um

41:47

the stunts themselves, but there's another genre

41:50

that had something like this, and

41:53

that was illusionists

41:55

or stage magicians. You know what I mean. People would

41:57

tune in and they were like, uh, David

42:00

Copperfield is going to make this statute

42:02

disappear. Everybody check it out? Are

42:04

you peeking in my notes? Because I scratched that

42:06

out? Yeah, I was

42:09

thinking like that. Yeah, it was too that

42:11

that was there was some of that, some of that excitement

42:13

around that. And there was the David Copperfield.

42:15

And who was the other one? There was another magician.

42:18

It was kind of in it at the same time. Uh

42:20

not David Blaine. Now David

42:23

Blaine is a different guy, but there was another one.

42:26

They were there too, but they were on there. They were doing

42:28

their own thing with the with the Tigers, right,

42:31

um, incredible in their own

42:33

way. Who's the other one? There was another Doug

42:35

Henning. Doug Henning, Now Doug

42:37

Henning was another magician who they

42:40

you know, the joke is that David Copperfield made

42:42

him disappear. But

42:44

but he did like some Chrysler commerce.

42:46

Yeah, thank you, Kurt. I appreciate that.

42:48

Ben. He didn't laugh at all. I'm a very unsupported

42:51

friend, but

42:54

he did. I think he ended up doing like some you

42:56

know, Chrysler minivan commercials. And that was about all you

42:58

heard of him after that, you know, there there were were they

43:00

were kind of in a back and forth primetime battle

43:02

and it was very, very showy. It was

43:04

very um you know, um, I keep

43:06

coming to that back that word flamboyt. I'm looking for a different

43:09

word, but I'll get I'll get it. It just there's

43:11

a lot of pageantry to it and and they definitely

43:13

had a great stage presence and uh and

43:15

that's what made you watch them, right, I mean it was something

43:17

that was different, unique, and you know you're going to be

43:20

in for something spectacular

43:22

in the end. But anyways, i'd

43:24

love to hear some listeners right in with, you know,

43:26

their favorite stunt person of the day

43:28

and you know what that feat might be, and

43:31

some you know world records that they want to see Broken

43:34

soon or you know, haven't seen Broken in a long time,

43:36

or you know that someone should go after because it's

43:38

been hanging out there for ten twenty years. That'd

43:41

be interesting too. So whatever you've

43:43

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43:45

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44:03

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44:05

but I think one of the biggest takeaways for anybody who

44:08

misses death to find stunts is that you can

44:10

see a ton of amazing things now,

44:12

just maybe not live. Yeah. And what's great

44:14

about this too, is you can watch them over and

44:16

over and over again and share

44:19

them with your friends. I can

44:21

send you an email right now, Ben with a link

44:23

to thirty of my favorite stunts. I'll do that. Please

44:25

do not to fill up your inboxing. I'm gonna send them one at a

44:27

time. Oh good, Yeah, Yeah, that's it's

44:29

perfect. You're welcome. Thanks man. Make

44:32

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44:34

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