William Gladstone, marine biologist and veteran scuba diver, joins me to talk about his underwater photography, diving experiences, and the relationship between science and art.

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GUEST LINKS
Dr. Gladstone's Instagram: @williamgladstonephotography
Dr. Gladstone's Twitter: @DrBillGladstone

THINGS WE MENTIONED
Raine Island
Weedy seadragon
My Octopus Teacher (Netflix)
Ocean sunfish
Our Planet (falling walruses)
Unweaving the Rainbow, Richard Dawkins
Leila Jeffreys, bird photographer
Murray Fredericks, landscape photographer
Denis Villeneuve, Dune (2021)
David Byrne, musician

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