Antonio Zadra, sleep scientist and dream explorer, joins me to talk about the importance of backcountry hiking, the value of dreams, and the multilayered nature of reality.

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GUEST LINKS
Antonio's Psyche article
Antonio's Twitter: @drzdreams
Antonio's website: antoniozadra.com
Antonio's books: When Brains Dream, The Dreamkeepers

THINGS WE MENTIONED
Collective unconscious, Carl Jung
Hard problem of consciousness
Threat simulation theory, Antti Revonsuo

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