Alex Schnell, comparative psychologist and cuttlefish enthusiast, joins me to talk about cephalopod intelligence, animal sentience, and the emerging science of magical illusion.

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GUEST LINKS
Alex's Twitter: @dr_alexschnell
Alex's research
Alex's cuttlefish delayed gratification study
Dimensions of Animal Consciousness

THINGS WE MENTIONED
Cephalopod
Australian giant cuttlefish
'My Octopus Teacher' (Netflix)
Gustav Kuhn
Emotional valence
Shantaram (novel)
Labyrinth (1986 film)

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