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Cast: Hello,

1:24

my friend, and welcome to Catch Up with

1:26

Louise McSharry. Happy Wednesday to you. If indeed

1:28

you are listening on a Wednesday. Today's

1:30

episode is the entertainment catch up. I am

1:33

absolutely delighted. I had such a laugh recording

1:35

this with Esther this morning. We

1:37

always go in the wildest tangents. Things

1:40

always get a little bit silly in the best possible way when

1:42

I'm recording with Esther. So I think you're really going to enjoy

1:44

it. Just a little

1:46

reminder that there is a Patreon episode

1:49

going up today. Myself and James O'Hagan

1:51

are going to be discussing Oprah's weight

1:53

loss injections program. It

1:55

was a special that aired in the United

1:57

States recently and it was interesting. I hunted

1:59

it. Dan and I watched it but you won't need

2:01

to have watched it to enjoy the chat between myself and

2:03

James and as I said

2:05

it'll be live on the Patreon later

2:07

today if you want to access that

2:09

it's patreon.com/catch up with Louise McSarrie. Also

2:12

it's not no major news I've just been working away

2:14

this week although I realized I forgot to mention on

2:16

Monday I went to see Dune over the weekend and

2:20

I like look I was perfectly happy to

2:22

ignore Dune it wasn't something that was particularly

2:25

grabbing me but Gordon convinced me to watch

2:27

the first one at home and

2:29

I could see these you

2:31

know the visuals and the sound and stuff would

2:33

be amazing in the cinema so I was like well look if

2:35

I've seen the first one I'm gonna see the second one and I'm

2:37

not just gonna go see it I'm gonna go see it in the

2:39

IMAX because I want to really get the benefit of all of it

2:42

and it is very good. Now it's ridiculously long

2:44

you know how I feel about long films I'm

2:47

not up for it I'm not into it I

2:49

don't want it I think it's insane however

2:52

I will say that this one

2:54

which is just over two and a half hours it

2:56

didn't feel like that long and I did

2:59

freely enjoy it so you know I wouldn't

3:02

say like I'll never watch it again but

3:04

if they brought out another one I would definitely go

3:06

and see it I think if you're into like I

3:08

found a sound in particular really interesting I guess I'm

3:11

interested in saying an audio if you're in any way

3:13

interested in that kind of stuff in film it's probably

3:15

worth a go and I would definitely recommend that you

3:17

go and see it in the cinema rather

3:20

than watching it on your TV at home because

3:23

you do obviously lose some of the details

3:25

there and I also went to

3:27

see Wake the show over the weekend I brought my

3:29

mom but it was the last night of it I

3:32

was on Saturday so that's kind of a useless recommendation

3:34

to you but if they ever bring it back highly

3:36

recommend you've heard me recommend it multiple times so I

3:38

suppose at this stage you know and

3:40

if you want to see it I hope you really really enjoyed it

3:42

I heard from those of you who went and loved it so I

3:44

was happy to hear that but

3:46

now I think we will just get stuck in

3:48

Willy into the celebs there is some dark stuff

3:51

at the start and unfortunately some of the stories

3:53

this week are not fun however we do get

3:55

into the fun stuff and we do get silly so don't worry

3:57

stick it out Esther oh

3:59

more don't hear A pleasure to

4:01

be here in your humble abode. Sorry, it's

4:03

actually very rude of me to refer to your

4:05

home as humble. Nothing humble

4:07

about this. There's diamonds everywhere.

4:11

We're sitting on the floor. Louise

4:13

walked in, she says, oh, what are you

4:15

painting? She goes, ah, yeah, I saw this

4:17

on Instagram. I started painting the two doors,

4:19

St Patrick's Day weekend, and

4:21

they're still unpainted. Now, they're mid-paint. Are they Velux

4:23

doors? Is that what we call them? Is that

4:26

the type of door? No, they're just two patio

4:28

doors. Well, I did not know you could paint

4:30

that surface, and I'm very impressed. Honey, you just

4:32

got a prime. I'm very impressed. But as I

4:34

said to my mum, I was putting lipstick on

4:36

a pig because everything else is here. I heard

4:38

the rest, and you just want to change everything

4:40

then. But your home is gorgeous. Yeah, you're right.

4:42

I'm very comfortably off. No, but

4:45

it's a beautiful home. Yeah. I

4:47

remember the first time I came here, I was

4:49

blown away. Anyway, here we are on the floor with two

4:52

camping tables. Let's go. Couldn't be happier. So

4:54

we are here to talk about the showbiz and entertainment

4:56

stories of the week, and unfortunately, we have to start

4:58

in darkness. Last night, yesterday

5:01

in his time zone, Sean

5:03

Combs, P Diddy, Puff Daddy,

5:05

Puffy, Diddy, whatever you want to call

5:07

him, his homes were raided. Now, there

5:10

have been reports of dark

5:13

stuff on his side for quite

5:15

a while now, haven't there? Yeah,

5:17

I think actually you pointed me to an

5:19

article on MPR written by Sidney Malice and

5:21

Sheldon Pierce. And it does an

5:24

extensive timeline from when he started,

5:26

his first internship in the 90s, like

5:29

a year after that, there

5:31

was rumors swirling around him.

5:33

So he kind of hit the

5:35

ground running in terms of this reputation that has preceded

5:37

him. So that's like

5:40

over three decades worth of

5:42

the persona, the businessman, the

5:44

bravado, whatever. Anyway, yeah,

5:46

so last night, teams

5:48

of federal agents, including

5:50

Homeland Security officers, were seen conducting coordinated raids

5:53

of two homes, one in Miami, one in

5:55

Los Angeles, as I said. And

5:58

the reason for the raid is unclear, but... But

6:00

it comes on the

6:03

heels of a lawsuit alleging that

6:05

a 54-year-old is the leader of

6:07

a criminal enterprise that could qualify

6:09

as a widespread and

6:11

dangerous criminal sex trafficking organization. Yeah. He's

6:14

been the subject of several civil lawsuits

6:16

as well, accusing of sexual misconducts, including

6:18

rape and assault. And so

6:20

the stories around him have been really bleak.

6:22

But it's kind of wild because when I

6:24

was in Chicago,

6:27

when I was 14 or 15, so

6:29

1995, 1996,

6:33

1997, he was massive. I

6:37

mean, the biggest. He was

6:39

part of this crew. He had Mace,

6:41

the rapper who he worked with. And

6:44

it was after the Notorious B.I.G died.

6:46

And he was kind of like this

6:48

star maker. And he obviously

6:50

went on to have a massive

6:52

TV show in America called Making the Bond, where

6:54

he selected women to be in this girl bond

6:56

down at E.K. and it's the bond that was

6:58

formed. And you saw him

7:01

now looking back, I've seen some clips of the

7:03

show recently, he's really hard on the girls and

7:05

rude and stuff. But he was seen as this

7:08

star maker, high achiever,

7:11

can't sleep, no time for sleep. All

7:13

I gotta do is make money and win. And

7:16

then it turns out there was all this darkness happening

7:18

in the background. He's

7:20

been arrested many times. He's

7:22

been accused of lots of different terrible

7:24

things. You know, it's not great.

7:28

No. And I think when you watch those things, you

7:30

kind of think it's so you're sitting there in your

7:32

pajamas watching them as entertainment when you're younger, you think,

7:35

oh, that's just the way showbiz is. He and it

7:37

was kind of aggressive or whatever, but you just think

7:39

that's it. And you kind of consume it as a

7:41

product. You don't think, oh, there's real people and real

7:43

women who have had to be some man who've been

7:45

subjected to bullying behavior, perhaps

7:47

on conducted by him.

7:49

But last year, Cassie

7:52

Ventura, who was a longtime girlfriend of his,

7:54

she was signed to a 10 album deal

7:57

with Bad Boy Entertainment, which is Cohen's company

7:59

when he was. when she was

8:01

19. She accused combs of years of

8:03

sexual misconduct, harassment, sex trafficking, and

8:06

rape. And, you know, if you

8:08

there's another NPR article where it details, you

8:11

know, times over a long period of time, you

8:13

know, if you're in an abusive relationship, to extract

8:15

yourself from that is very difficult. And she had,

8:18

you know, she dated Kudkudi, which I didn't realize

8:20

there's an allegation that he blew

8:22

up Kudkudi's car, you know, which is

8:25

an extreme form of

8:27

bullying and control. And

8:29

she filed this lawsuit and they settled, you know, kind

8:32

of on the court steps pretty quickly. Yeah, pretty quickly.

8:34

And she was I think she was seeking 30 million

8:36

dollars. And of course, it was like, he issued a

8:38

statement to know this is whatever. Yeah, like, even she

8:40

was 19. And he was 37 when they met. Yeah.

8:43

And then

8:47

they were together for a long time. Like, that

8:49

in itself, like, look, there's nothing illegal there, obviously,

8:51

but it would make you raise your eyebrows. Like,

8:53

what is a 37 year old mom doing with

8:55

a 19 year old girl? Like, it's yeah,

8:58

there's a huge power and balance there financially.

9:00

Well, exactly. And in her, I mean, access

9:02

the entertainment industry, like, yeah, it's crazy. So

9:04

and she, I don't she she released, like,

9:07

Kathy had it all and it just didn't go anywhere, you know,

9:09

in a kind of a way. And I don't know if

9:12

he didn't want that. And so was able

9:15

to pull the strings kind of tamper down

9:17

or whatever. Anyway, look, that's it. That's a

9:19

different issue. But yeah, I mean, you should

9:21

really go back and have a look at the

9:23

at the NPR timeline, because it is crazy. Like,

9:25

it's first arrested in 1999. He was charged with

9:27

two felony felonies. And, and,

9:30

you know, Combs

9:33

fortunately settled there with the person who,

9:35

yeah, lots of settlements, a lot of settlements. And

9:39

it goes on, it goes on, it goes on. And I

9:41

can be and all this time, though, he was still climbing

9:43

to the top of his career, he signed a deal with

9:45

Diageo. And for his Siroc

9:48

vodka brand, he started a, you know,

9:50

revolution entertainment, he was making the I

9:52

think he was certified a billionaire was

9:55

in the last couple of years. So he's making

9:57

money. So all this, so I guess he's like

9:59

seeing that I'm... untouchable.

10:02

I'm getting rewarded for all of my bad

10:05

boy behavior. It was like only last year

10:07

he got a key to New York. This

10:09

is another thing I saw. I was like...

10:14

Has New York Mayor Eric Adams not

10:16

opened Google? Yeah. Catch

10:19

that in there, baby. What are you doing giving this

10:21

man a key to the city of New York? Yes,

10:23

September 15 receives the key to the city. November 16,

10:26

that's when Cassie accused Diddy of the

10:29

use of sexual misconduct, harassment, etc. She

10:32

filed a civil suit in the New York

10:34

Superior Court under the state's Adult Survivors Act,

10:37

which is a New York law permitting victims

10:39

of sexual abuse a one-year window to file

10:41

civil action regardless of the statute of limitations

10:43

of the crimes themselves. Yeah, we talked about

10:45

this on the podcast one around that time

10:47

because there was a question of why all

10:50

of a sudden are all of these accusations

10:52

coming out. It's because New York literally gave

10:54

people a year. It's amazing that

10:56

they did that because if other states do

10:58

that, there'll be lots of other charges

11:00

that come out because the

11:03

statute of limitations on these

11:05

kinds of crimes I think

11:07

are really cruel, to

11:09

be honest, because it can take so long to

11:11

actually process what's happened to you. It can take

11:14

so long to feel ready and able to confront

11:16

them at all, even as a

11:18

person in your life. To get to a point where you're

11:20

ready to maybe take some legal action, that could take

11:22

years and years and years. Absolutely, yeah. At

11:24

the time when Cassie settled with Combs, she

11:26

said, I've

11:29

decided to resolve this matter amicably on terms

11:31

that I'll have some level of control. I

11:34

think if you go before the courts, that's the thing. You don't

11:36

know what way it's going to go in your favor. What

11:38

kind of accusations is he going to make about

11:41

her? I'm sure you would have all kinds of

11:43

stories that he'd want to spin about her. Yeah,

11:45

and she's been through enough. Anyway,

11:47

this is the latest development

11:50

in decades

11:53

of poor behavior, it would

11:55

seem, on his part. I

11:57

did see as well someone saying that these

11:59

kinds of of raids

12:01

from organizations like the

12:04

FBI and Homeland Security don't happen overnight.

12:06

Usually they are the result of years

12:08

of investigation. So I don't

12:10

think they do it lightly. No, well, you can see

12:12

that in December of last year, in

12:16

response to accusations that were leveled at him,

12:19

streaming that Rakhulu Scraptor Reality Show

12:21

project featuring Combs that was previously

12:23

in development. Then in January

12:25

of this year, Diageo, they

12:28

had a legal lawsuit, they resolved that, officially

12:30

ended their working relationship. So yeah, the writing was on the wall,

12:32

obviously, for months and months and months, and this

12:34

is just it being manifest and

12:37

played out before the cameras. So

12:40

he continues to claim, by the way, that none

12:42

of these accusations are true and despite the fact

12:45

that he has settled, et cetera, that

12:47

he's gonna fight for his name, his family, and blah,

12:49

blah, blah. My house hasn't been

12:51

raided by Homeland Security in that fella, I'll say. So,

12:53

you know, same here. Unfortunately,

12:56

we have to stay in darkness for

12:59

our next story. I just think I thought it

13:01

was really important to acknowledge this documentary, four-part documentary

13:03

that aired in the United States called Quiet on Set,

13:06

which details sexual abuse on the set

13:08

of some Nickelodeon television programs at the

13:10

hands of Don Schneider, who was a

13:12

very senior man

13:14

in children's television for a long time.

13:17

Yeah, so Don Schneider, American television

13:19

producer, screenwriter, and former actor, he

13:23

was associated with the Nickelodeon network from

13:25

2004 to 2019, so

13:27

very recently. And then since

13:29

2018, he's faced media coverage and

13:31

controversy regarding numerous allegations of inappropriate

13:34

behavior, as well as other misconduct

13:36

allegations. And I mean, he was

13:39

either show running or riding on

13:41

shows like All

13:43

That, Keenan and Kel, but he hit the big

13:45

time when he created the Amanda Bynes show, the

13:47

Amanda show with Amanda Bynes, and,

13:50

you know, Drake and Josh, Zoey 101,

13:52

which featured Jamie Lynn Spears, Ariana

13:55

Grande, I don't know if it was her break, but she

13:57

was certainly featured on a Nickelodeon show. So yeah, he's a

13:59

big player. in that world and

14:01

I still even look he's got he's got new printed tags

14:03

and followers and Instagram I

14:06

don't know and it was so this

14:08

four part docu-series it details allegations a

14:10

connection to Schneider and and

14:13

just I he also I think I don't think I

14:15

might before I think it did he he put

14:18

up a video on YouTube I know

14:20

it maybe came out after the video from YouTube you

14:22

can watch we was interviewed by a T-bo an

14:25

actor who played T-bo a character on iCarly and

14:27

he says that I watched the documentary and it's yeah very

14:29

bad and this x y and z and I apologize to

14:32

people if I mistreated them etc but anyway

14:34

the quite on set looks at um

14:37

show writers um on these Nickelodeon shows how

14:39

they were treated two female writers how they

14:42

were treated poorly in the writing room how

14:44

they were um paid they

14:46

had to spit a wage between them um

14:48

it shows footage

14:50

of sketches that were like targeted at

14:53

kids that they're just odd and you

14:55

know Dansh and I said oh well

14:57

you know we're looking at people have different feelings about

14:59

watching these with an adult lens and 20 years later

15:01

or whatever but it's like I don't

15:03

know how you could I mean maybe some

15:07

oh no they're weird yeah like one of the people

15:09

in the documentary says that they seem to take

15:12

inspiration from porn like that's one of the

15:14

accusations that's that's leveled at them that like

15:16

there is like physical comedy stuff that some

15:18

of the characters like for example Ariana Grande

15:20

um as an actor um I

15:23

think she played did she played cat cat Valentine

15:26

and and it's funny because my son has been

15:28

watching Sam and Kat recently um which is one

15:30

of the shows it was a spin-off of iCarly

15:32

that starred Ariana Grande and Jeanette

15:35

McCombs is that her name and she wrote

15:37

no no Curdie thank you who

15:39

wrote um I'm glad my mother died

15:41

which I know lots of people read and listened

15:43

to when I did um so

15:46

and if you've read that you know Don Schneider is

15:48

the person who she refers to as the creator to

15:50

raise that book and so yeah my

15:53

son has been watching Sam and Kat recently

15:55

and now i'm like oh maybe you shouldn't watch

15:57

it because it's not overt but like you know

15:59

yeah you see it as an adult

16:01

but that doesn't make it okay it's the

16:03

idea that someone was writing stuff but was

16:06

you know very clearly like you

16:08

know inspired by adult activity and

16:10

then getting kids to do it.

16:12

Yeah and I think I mean

16:14

I watched I managed to watch

16:16

almost the first episode of the quiet on

16:19

set doc yesterday and I know obviously

16:21

they're gonna they're amalgamating things and it's in it they're

16:23

putting it you know back to back so it looks

16:25

like it was just inappropriate

16:27

joke after inappropriate joke but some of

16:29

them were just so odd it just

16:32

it was written Ariana Grande stuff is

16:34

strange and she hasn't commented on any

16:36

of this and but yeah it was

16:38

odd. Well some of the stuff

16:40

that like let's that's say Jeanette McCurdy said like

16:42

in her book she said he had

16:44

her drink alcohol underage and

16:46

she massaged her in ways that made

16:48

her feel uncomfortable he insisted that she

16:51

wear like small bikinis on the show

16:53

at 15 and that was one of

16:55

the repeated allegations in the documentary as

16:57

well was that and girls were kind

16:59

of dressed suggestively on purpose that he

17:01

insisted on this and and you

17:03

know it's just really really grim but

17:06

I think like the saddest and

17:10

one of the saddest stories is the story of

17:12

Drake Bell and who was in the Amanda show

17:14

and then also went on to it starring Drake

17:16

and Josh like these are shows that me and

17:18

Esther are slightly too old for but like I

17:20

remember them in the ether I'm pretty sure my

17:22

sisters watch them and stuff and if you're a

17:24

bit younger than us would you believe there are

17:26

people younger than us who listen to the podcast

17:28

Esther? Lies. You guys are probably more familiar with

17:30

it than we are but um you

17:32

know he was Drake

17:35

came out and identified himself as a victim of

17:37

Brian Peck who was a dialogue coach he was

17:39

convicted in 2004 for child sexual abuse and sentenced

17:42

to 16 months in prison and he

17:44

said that he was basically groomed by

17:46

Brian Peck when he was on

17:49

the Amanda show and it just went completely

17:51

unnoticed and this later kind of led to

17:53

him you know getting into all

17:55

kinds of trouble you know as a result of his trauma

17:57

and he's his thing was

17:59

like Nickelodeon have done nothing to

18:01

support me. He says like, you know, he I'm

18:03

the one who pays for therapy I'm the one

18:05

who sorts us out but like Nickelodeon

18:07

had a responsibility This is what these stars are

18:09

saying, you know to take better care of these

18:12

kids who were in their TV programs That was

18:14

making them loads of money, you know Cuz if

18:16

you've got someone like Dan Schneider being inappropriate

18:18

and you know borderline abusive if some of

18:20

the claims are and then

18:22

you've got someone Like a dialogue coach who

18:24

is sexually abusing people there like, you

18:27

know people to talk about racial abuse

18:30

Talk of you know, just constant disrespect and a

18:32

total lack of care for these kids Yeah,

18:34

horrible. I wonder what it's like now on

18:36

sets. I hope that they're more safeguards in

18:39

place. I don't know It

18:41

is strange like when you're when you're younger do you look at

18:43

things? They go. Oh, yeah, be cool to be in Hollywood and

18:45

stuff But it's so strange and it makes people it warps people

18:47

and you everyone wants to be at the party Everyone wants to

18:50

be in the room and everyone's to go behind the scenes, but

18:52

you can't be an asshole You know, these are

18:54

you know children What you

18:57

realize they're obviously they want to be

18:59

their performers and they want to make things and Also

19:01

all that money like you're giving away a lot Yeah People

19:04

really looking out for them and people do even you know

19:07

We've seen in institutions any form

19:09

of any big organization people go

19:11

people have things slide Yeah, big time and yeah, you

19:13

can have what witness things happening in front of you

19:15

and people just have a slide Yeah I

19:18

saw actually Frankie Muniz who was on

19:20

Malcolm in the middle was and is in

19:22

maybe is in currently the Australian version

19:24

of I'm a celebrity get me And

19:28

and there was a clip of him and he was talking about The

19:31

way it worked on set and he said so there

19:33

were laws that required them to do school So

19:36

they had to do school on set when

19:39

they were under a certain age But they

19:41

were and they were the session the school

19:43

sessions were required to be at least 20

19:46

minutes long So what they

19:48

would do was they would work him. Yeah, literally

19:50

they would work him and For

19:52

the limit the maximum amount of hours that he could

19:54

work Then he said that they would run and he

19:56

meant literally run him to the school

19:58

trailer and then someone would sit outside

20:01

and then as soon as 20 minutes was up they'd open the

20:03

door and say come on and run him back to Santa so

20:05

that he could work somewhere and he said in 12 years he

20:07

reckons he had maybe 30 days off Like

20:11

as a child It's

20:13

like it's wild I really

20:15

do hope that all of this taught me these revelations not

20:17

only mean that there are safer work Practices now for kids

20:19

and I think that things have improved there are certain laws

20:22

around money and stuff Although I don't know. Did you see

20:24

that stuff about honey boo-boo? No,

20:26

so Alana Thompson Thompson,

20:29

I'm making up these names I don't know if

20:31

that's correct, but Alana honey boo boo from honey boo

20:33

boo and they still have

20:35

a reality show now that family's trajectory

20:37

was pretty dark and mama June

20:39

the mom in it and became

20:42

like heavily addicted to drugs and and

20:46

Alana ended up going and living with her

20:48

older sister pumpkin who like completely stepped in and

20:50

has been raising her but like their older sister Or

20:52

one of their sisters died of cancer like a

20:54

lot of sadness has happened for that

20:56

family But Alana and

20:58

pumpkin seem remarkably like you know

21:01

together, which is very impressive, you

21:03

know given the circumstances but the

21:05

latest thing is that and June

21:08

basically spent almost all of the money that

21:10

Alana had made as a child So

21:12

she was at the center of that program. She did like

21:14

Dancing with the Stars. She did the Masked Singer She did

21:16

loads and loads. It should have been you know,

21:19

well into the six figures and and

21:21

it's in their latest because they're still doing a reality

21:23

show obviously because they have to make money and pumpkin

21:26

kind of forces Alana to confront her mom and ask her

21:28

about the money because she's about to go to college and

21:30

she needs To pay for college and June gives

21:32

her a check and it's for thirty three thousand

21:34

dollars and she's like, this is it This is

21:37

that's all that's left Her

21:39

mother just basically spent all her money now. I know

21:41

that there are rules and laws to protect them So

21:43

what I'm saying is hopefully these kinds of things will

21:46

lead to a better protections for

21:48

kids But also be a bit more compassion from

21:50

the public at large when it

21:52

comes to people like Amanda Byron Not

21:54

Amanda Byron. That's a different person. Yeah, I'm

21:56

on the buying and you know who has

21:58

also really struggled

22:00

and it's very clear that she struggled and

22:03

she's on TikTok if you want to go

22:05

and see her but like you know who

22:07

knows what she experienced we don't know. Who

22:09

knows, God it's awful. But I know a

22:11

friend of mine who is maybe, I don't

22:14

know, well known, whatever, anyway, don't after basically but they

22:16

were like you know I think sometimes on set you have to

22:18

be if you were number one on the call sheet or whatever

22:20

like I'm saying that like I know what that really means but

22:22

you know what I mean if you're the big name, the big

22:24

dog, the big dog or dog ass

22:27

and that you know they were

22:29

saying like oh sometimes you know they when

22:32

there's all that money involved and everyone's a speed, speed, speed,

22:34

speed, speed and like they're like oh let's work through lunchtime

22:36

let's work through this but it's like okay it's okay for

22:38

you because you're making a little money what about you know

22:41

hair and makeup or production or the person you know I'm

22:44

trying to I was trying to think of something technical pulling

22:46

focus a focus puller or something

22:48

like that I don't know or like your

22:50

diamond polisher whoever you know is working for

22:52

you whatnot and you know that

22:55

means they have to work through and they're not making as much

22:57

money as you it's fine for you you're like gonna fall off

22:59

here and you're gonna go in your and someone will bring you

23:01

your lunch and like bring you food and so on. Yeah so

23:03

they make a point of going no messed up for lunch and

23:05

little things like that so I know it's not the same I'm

23:07

sorry I dropped that out from something like the person who's got

23:09

most parents that you have maybe a responsibility. If you're such a

23:11

work with children like step in you know what I mean? Yeah

23:13

yeah. That's Frankie Muna's you know drag. I

23:16

get the kid a break. Yeah look at his

23:18

long division. He's probably just getting into his

23:20

mocks and then he's drawing things. Wait wait

23:22

wait wait wait wait. A quadratic nose. He's

23:25

just on that precipice what a joyful thing and he's

23:27

getting pulled away to the intensity whatever. It's so odd

23:29

but I think it's great that he's speaking out and

23:31

that other people are speaking out and you know hopefully

23:33

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ACAST. Hi,

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Demuse. So Lily Allen has a new podcast

25:15

with Makeda Oliver, who is her lifelong best

25:17

friend. I personally will

25:19

hoover up any content. I thought this was

25:21

exactly what you want. Oh my gosh. Anything

25:24

Lily will give me, I'll hoover up. Do

25:26

I occasionally find that she drifts into annoying?

25:28

Yes. But still, I will

25:30

hoover up literally anything. And her friendship with Makeda

25:33

Oliver is one that I have followed for decades

25:35

now. And they're doing

25:37

this podcast together. It's very exciting for

25:40

people like me. Yeah, I listened to, I

25:42

think I listened to two episodes on Super Speed.

25:45

I was like, I've been trying to get it to my

25:47

justice. And yeah, I think there is that comfort

25:50

level with each other and they'll call each other out

25:52

over things. I think yesterday I saw clips. Jeez

25:55

Louise. Holy moly. The attorney wants that

25:57

tonight. Oh no, it's all my security. I'm

26:00

going to get this! Oh

26:03

god, that's very dark, sorry. Obviously we don't think it's

26:05

funny. The accusations. I

26:08

think it's a delivery. I'm not going to

26:10

edit this out because I'm on the edge of my seat

26:12

trying to find out what it is that's happened at the

26:14

door. She's

26:20

making him effusively. What is

26:22

it, Esther? She

26:24

was just faffing with us and I'm just... And I

26:26

just... If we're running, I'm

26:29

getting back into yagging. Oh, good for you. Happy

26:31

for you. No, I was thinking about the other

26:33

day. I call it, it's actually

26:35

shuffling. I shuffle. If running is a 12 and

26:38

walking is a 1, I'm a 3. Oh,

26:40

I love that for you. But you just keep shuffling

26:42

for a long period of time and you're just like,

26:44

oh my heart happens. Everybody's shuffling. Do you

26:46

just listen to that song continually? Yeah,

26:48

yeah. But I could listen to this Lily Allen, Makita Oliver

26:51

podcast. Thank you! So

26:53

yesterday I saw a clip and they were

26:55

admitting to each other that they both... I

26:57

think Makita had kissed one of Lily

26:59

Allen's boyfriends when they were younger. While she was in

27:01

the house. Yeah, but then Lily Allen was like, well,

27:04

I slept with your ex, whatever. She was like, okay,

27:06

you raised the game a little bit. So

27:08

anyway, they've got a new podcast called Miss Me. And

27:11

that's on BBC Science, which is actually everywhere

27:14

as well. But Lily was interviewed,

27:16

I think, probably in promotion for the podcast.

27:19

Yeah. On the Radio Times podcast and

27:21

she said this week that having children

27:24

ruined her music career. I

27:27

love this. I think that

27:29

would be a statement like, of course, yeah, of course. I

27:31

would say her children ruined her. Is she ever happy? She's

27:33

all given that. Yeah, exactly. That's

27:35

exactly what people would say. And I don't think my kids

27:37

have ruined my career at all. They've made it a lot

27:39

harder. And do I think I could be doing more if

27:41

I didn't have kids? Yeah, I could.

27:43

Because, you know, there's many hours in the

27:46

day that I don't have available to me

27:48

because I'm mothering. No, I wouldn't change it.

27:50

Every day I'm mothering. Every

27:55

day I'm painting. But like, I wouldn't change it. And Just like

27:57

Lily said, she was like, you know, they are. My

28:00

life you'd like. I adore them but like she

28:02

said her parents were pretty upset when she was

28:04

a kid via her career on she didn't want

28:06

to do to her given she thinks that with

28:08

the right decision to their kids are pretty well

28:10

rounded be bones you doors and but like this

28:13

is the thing with parenting like it's okay to

28:15

admit side you know making once ways has a

28:17

negative impact on the other because people say to

28:19

me all the time because I do a lotta

28:21

different sauce like Alex has easy going on and

28:23

I like sadly I do it badly. I do

28:25

it all badly. like I don't think I'm doing

28:27

anything in my life to the best of my.

28:30

Ability because you can't You can't have it

28:32

all and you everything as well as you'd

28:34

like to be. doing it as just not

28:36

possible can have it all just as the

28:39

same to exactly bay been like exactly so.

28:41

currently I would say everything so for is

28:43

a little this but I'm doing my best

28:45

and I think that that's all anyone can

28:48

do. You raising two kids having this query

28:50

still pull a stunning I For together every

28:52

single time your says noise to the hilt.

28:54

Luis Ortiz I support really? Are you know

28:57

I really appreciate that because I was literally

28:59

to thinking before. He came here that I really need

29:01

to have my accessories game and that's not a joke, that's

29:03

a serious thought. I was. I. Figure

29:10

I'm trying not to buy any clues.

29:12

Music Know if you don't need any

29:14

closer to the to have your salary

29:16

game that's a slut. Been a real

29:18

sauce and hop in and mighty. but

29:20

I had a Saturday and and long

29:22

with me though. split off from Accessorize

29:24

Accessorize, Accessorize or something when he dark.

29:27

Let's. Play nice anyway and stay know it's

29:29

not a little than me. This is about

29:31

as yet or two friends shut the way

29:34

ladies. a New York, Mickey's and somewhere in

29:36

London on the having a great time

29:38

and and she says that has lots of

29:40

other things that other children. But. Such

29:43

is hard to say the

29:45

very least. and. I

29:48

think it's from

29:50

as a youtube

29:52

video or this.

29:54

Know now if someone goes

29:56

excessive. oh oh oh second

29:58

me and examined p. Cooney.

30:01

You cooney. Oh shoot is that solar

30:03

arrays? I was like nobody's around us

30:05

out of a pretty good accessorize excesses.

30:07

I? yes, I love us.

30:09

Okay anyway on I do, I can sign

30:11

up on and. Because those arms off

30:14

my ear? The Indices era people like

30:16

Lily Allen nickering. Saw the gals

30:18

us or I've he like

30:20

many. Did. You have me. But all

30:22

those people from that time are like I just

30:25

will never not be fascinated by them. With

30:27

did you climb trying recreate like the Lily

30:29

Allen dress with the runners are million per

30:31

cent or you'd so comey and then a

30:33

friend I have at the time and was

30:35

annoyed because we were addressing to similarly but

30:37

I was like but you're also copying Lily

30:40

Allen. So. We're all just

30:42

coffee. Lily Allen like this is not an

30:44

original thing that we're doing. My look was

30:46

like my friends he makes you just comanches

30:48

to make the ones I hate. the were

30:50

like genes to belts. These. Are

30:52

going call them winkle pickers winkle suckers these

30:54

routes. they're just like Sat there are like

30:56

I would like Dick Turpin or something and

30:59

about so that they both have a nose

31:01

and we went of i dislike you know

31:03

or know I know there they were I

31:05

know exactly what very likely seven party they

31:07

say we lights mine or slaves I. Your. I

31:09

know when. Okay man, Philadelphia, I'm with you. I mean,

31:11

I am I talking to guard offering? An alpha

31:13

like a have a glance to funny

31:15

land back thank you. What was the

31:18

U Cel I was awesome amounts of

31:20

the fourth sacked oh yeah I got

31:22

the collapse you are on ever go

31:24

iran a somewhere and she was in

31:26

her like afford to. Yeah and. She

31:28

called his days as you ads. She's.

31:31

A. Lot like

31:33

Michael says, it got. A.

31:35

And I was like didn't wind up and hurting.

31:37

Would like to eat in a. Huge

31:40

stir. senses oversized hard again denied that

31:42

it is. indeed it is in a.

31:48

Temporary and five. minutes

31:50

and then i moved on says you know

31:52

whatever the next for some adding laughing was

31:54

accessorize access i success with never felt better

31:56

gender pay gap less

32:01

because Olivia Colman has said that she would

32:03

be paid more if she was Oliver and

32:06

she is correct. I actually this

32:08

disparity is wild to me like that it's

32:10

still so severe. Yes she

32:12

said in an interview with

32:15

Christian Amipore, CNN's well-known

32:18

reporter, she said I'm very aware that if

32:20

I was Oliver Coleman I'd be earning an

32:22

F of a lot more than I am.

32:24

I know of one pay disparity which is

32:26

a 12,000% difference do

32:28

the maths. She's

32:31

promoting her new film Wicked Little Letters which

32:33

is about the true story of poison pen messages that

32:35

hit the town of Little Hampton in West Sussex in

32:37

the 1920s and there's an Irish actor in this film.

32:39

Jesse Buckley. Yeah I really want to go see that.

32:42

I might do cinema double next week if I

32:44

can find a day because I really

32:47

want to see that and I really want to see. Do you mind your

32:49

children? Just kidding. I just

32:51

put them in the wardrobe master I've told you

32:53

this before. They're very self-sufficient these days. Throw in

32:55

a few snacks, a couple of iPads, lock the

32:57

wardrobe and their sources. I wish you well. There

33:02

are lessons you'll only learn

33:04

if I leave you alone.

33:06

That's what I say to

33:08

them. Hashtag parenting. Oh

33:12

god. I just that's the beauty of the podcast though

33:14

it's the difference between the podcast and Instagram is that

33:16

I can like make jokes on the podcast and people

33:18

get it you know what I mean whereas on Instagram

33:22

it's right into the DM's. Yeah

33:25

and you just see it like I

33:28

don't go on title I have never gone on title

33:31

but you just can feel it being like spoken

33:33

away somewhere in the back of your

33:35

mind. Anywho yes you guys obviously know that

33:37

I'm joking I don't put them in the wardrobe I just lock

33:39

them in the house. Anyway

33:44

yeah I really want to see Wicked Little Letters I

33:46

think it sounds really fun and I love the idea

33:48

of a movie where women swear a lot. Yes

33:51

it's called the swear say the F word. F and

33:53

P. You're an F and B.

33:56

Do you hear me? Actor

33:58

don't speak to me like that. Okay,

34:00

I'm sorry. In a

34:02

report on the RTU website yesterday,

34:05

coincidentally, the gender pay gap among

34:07

Irish, among larger Irish firms narrowed

34:09

slightly last year according to analysis

34:11

from PWC Price Waterhouse Cooper of

34:13

Ireland. So there is

34:16

a requirement now of companies with 250 or

34:18

more employees up, they're obligated to report gender

34:20

pay gap each year with 550 firms submitting

34:22

details for 2023. So

34:26

it is still an issue in all

34:29

work fields. I

34:31

don't know if it's different in entertainment. I mean, obviously I

34:33

think there's different metrics they can

34:35

measure things by. I mean, Louise

34:38

is going to command a bigger, this may shock you. Louise

34:40

is going to command a bigger fee for us

34:42

to open the Supervalley on Ballin Robe than if

34:44

I was, like I am 15th on the

34:46

list, 16th on the list. Supervalley on Ballin

34:49

Robe, scene of the iconic video where the

34:51

cow went into the Supervalley. Wow.

34:53

Do you not remember this? No. Oh,

34:56

it's very funny. Well, actually it's in there somewhere because I

34:58

was thinking Ballin Robe, people value. It's a very, very funny

35:00

video of a cow going into the Supervalley. I'll

35:02

find it. I'll put it in the show notes

35:04

so that we can all enjoy it together again. Oh my,

35:06

that would be weird if a cow was eating yogurt. Yeah,

35:08

cannibalism. Cannibalism. No, actually it'd be more like I suppose drinking

35:10

your own breast milk, which most people do at some stage.

35:13

Okay. I love our towns. Anywho,

35:16

yes, the gender pay gap is real. It continues

35:18

even for very wealthy actors and actresses

35:20

and, or sorry, excuse me, they're all actors

35:22

now. And then it should not.

35:25

No, but then in this, the

35:27

article it went on to like

35:30

list the highest paid actors of the 2023.

35:33

There's three women in that list. Margot Robbie,

35:35

$59 million, Jennifer Anson, $42 million.

35:37

And she had a resident quite a year and

35:39

she's not making $42 million, but she's got the

35:41

Franz residuals, you see? Yeah. Okay. And

35:44

Adam Sandler was a highest paid actor of 2023 earning 73 million

35:46

thanks to an ethics film,

35:49

Murder Mystery 2 and a stand-up comedy

35:51

tour. And I mean, that occupies a

35:53

very brilliant level of fame.

35:56

I support Adam Sandler. He seems like a good

35:58

guy and he's funny. making all

36:00

these things. I look! Yeah. Making those money and

36:02

you don't know what he's doing. I feel like

36:04

he figured it out. He got it right. Like

36:06

he started a production company. Yeah. He figured out

36:08

how to play the game and play it well.

36:10

Did you see the tic- everything is ticked off.

36:12

Did you see the videos of him playing basketball

36:14

with guys in London? No, but I'm aware

36:16

he does this. He was in like, yeah, a

36:18

community center. All right!

36:21

I went to- My amsan impression. Very good. I

36:23

did a Tom Sandoval impression right in Louisiana. Oh,

36:25

the Tom Sandoval impression was incredible.

36:28

Thank you. But yeah,

36:30

the video, the guy who was filming it was

36:32

like, what's Adam Sandoval doing in the end? Like

36:35

he was just in some random local community center

36:37

playing basketball. What a guy. I love him. Okay,

36:40

Rebel Wilson. This story I

36:42

adore. Rebel Wilson, who

36:44

I don't particularly adore, I have to

36:47

be honest, wrote a book and

36:49

the book is coming out, but she's having a bit

36:51

of legal trouble because someone is not happy about what's

36:53

in the book. She's doing what was known in the

36:55

business as a Louis Walsh. She is just- she's

36:58

doing it to draw on publicity. She's doing

37:00

it to speak her truth. Rebel William- Rebel

37:02

William- Rebel

37:04

Williamson, halle willy billy bee, halle willy billy willy

37:06

boo-by. Holly willy

37:08

bee, Rebel Wilson. Rebel Wilson,

37:11

Australian actor from Australia. She

37:14

is writing a book. She's named

37:16

Sasha Baron Cohen, who she worked

37:19

with on a 2016 film, the

37:21

brother Grimsy bee, known as Grimsy

37:23

bee in the UK as a

37:25

massive asshole. Not to put divided

37:27

point on it. And she's included

37:30

him in her forthcoming memoir, Rebel

37:32

Rising. And she has claimed on

37:34

her social media that the Borath star is

37:36

attempting to block publication of the book. And

37:39

she said on her Instagram, I will not be

37:41

bullied as silenced with high priced loyal PR crisis

37:44

managers. The asshole that I'm talking

37:46

about in one chapter of my

37:48

book is Rebecca Vardy. Sasha Baron Cohen. Well,

37:50

this is the thing that's wild. So I don't think she

37:52

names him in the book. She just refers to an actor

37:54

that she worked with as an asshole. But then Sasha Baron

37:57

Cohen's team got wind of it and like started kicking it

37:59

with a tank. Then out of the bike rides

38:01

and I say the website and sex we all know

38:03

that such. My phone is an awesome now I think

38:05

a lot of people kind of were feeling that way

38:07

anyway because of he had some some after a while

38:10

south and since the events of October seventh and this

38:12

of the Quints and. I

38:14

never know what call it. An invasion.

38:19

Conflicts whatever you wanna call it was happening

38:21

and palestine he had since improve see crazy

38:23

boasting and so it like a killer nobody's

38:25

surprise and now he's just made sure that

38:28

everybody knows s. Like

38:30

see that he asked And.

38:34

I. Guess she's calling and eyes

38:36

and he. Gave

38:38

you a in the she's yeah. She

38:41

said and he yeah season some while

38:43

things. As she

38:45

alleges the ballot: Baron Baron Cohen.

38:48

Ah, statistic her finger up as Balsam in the final

38:50

season and I went. what do you mean sauce it

38:52

up not in the script and he's like looked as

38:55

of put him a pansy, stick your finger my bought

38:57

it'll be really funny. Know.

38:59

Feelings know honey know he hello inappropriate

39:01

and you know want to be a

39:03

diva So know that was abused have

39:06

saved me a diva. I will not

39:08

any weight loss as he did it.

39:10

Well. As she said he was yeah, I know a shit

39:12

I'll snap. he wants in the button. That's. It

39:15

yeah please. Banjo: I'm not

39:17

funny any. any singer is

39:19

inside any bodies. No,

39:22

no, not for any meant well.

39:25

Maybe if you paid me Now I'm

39:27

no. I'm apparently sequencing and someone's home

39:29

for reasonably moments money to be honest

39:32

day and that's where the two roads

39:34

did not me. but I'm on a

39:36

different path. no their that would It

39:38

would still be a lot of money

39:40

But okay thomas any hills and like

39:42

a house deposit I do for has

39:44

twelve it take. To. Sell really

39:46

want to get in touch. With

39:51

all three, we lost

39:53

at M. Okay, finally

39:55

and this story. So

39:57

yesterday when I was.

40:00

around for stories there wasn't really a lot

40:02

around and I came across this story

40:04

about Henry Cavill who played Superman in

40:06

some Superman stuff and has

40:09

also been in other things but I just in my head he's

40:11

Superman and like him making a

40:13

rare appearance with his girlfriend and

40:15

I was like who is this girl and I

40:18

looked in and I looked and I zoomed in

40:20

and I was like I know this girl and

40:22

then at the very end of

40:24

the Daily Mail article they included a photograph

40:27

of her from my super sweet 16

40:30

because she was on my super sweet 16 and

40:32

I remember her vividly. Do

40:34

you remember her

40:36

this episode? Yeah

40:38

she yeah and I

40:40

mean obviously it's not occupying space in my

40:43

brain but I went back and I looked she

40:45

definitely is familiar he recognized from that whole thing

40:47

and I you know I went back I said

40:49

to you you said you got occupying space in

40:51

your ring so it's occupying space in mine. But

40:53

really because I think they were pushed out by

40:55

the Tiana Taylor episodes because that was the one

40:57

where she came in in the box and she

40:59

was like Barbie and Pharrell was after Barbie. I

41:01

was like oh my goodness. I remember when Tiana

41:03

Taylor came back as like someone who was having

41:06

like a career I was like yeah I'm not

41:08

surprised she had so much star power. Yeah she's

41:10

Pharrell in her corner. Anyway Henry Cavill

41:12

is dating this woman who was on

41:14

my super sweet 16 and when I

41:16

did a very cursory YouTube search yesterday

41:19

an MTV ad came up for

41:21

my super sweet 16 and who

41:23

was the pretend birthday girl in one of the

41:25

ads? Jennifer Lawrence. Is

41:28

that her name? Yeah. Jennifer Lawrence yeah she

41:30

got top those people were carrying on her

41:32

shoulders you go and she fell over in

41:34

classic J-Lo style. Very funny. Yeah well I

41:36

remember Natalie because her story was just for

41:38

anyone else who remembers these things this is

41:40

this is what my brain is filled with

41:42

by the way this kind of stuff. I

41:45

have not looked this up by the way this is all from memory.

41:47

She had just moved in with her

41:50

dad in California. She had been living

41:52

or Arizona anyway somewhere hot she

41:54

had been living in another state with her mom

41:57

and so off 15 She just started living with her dad

41:59

and she was like I've never. Carbon rich before they

42:01

see with. New to having money on?

42:03

See you know like all of the

42:05

my secrecy sixteen girls at and. Boys

42:07

with pretty materialistic like They'll where she wasn't

42:10

the worst but like she would very much.

42:12

It was kind of unusual to see someone

42:14

who was openly just like having their first

42:16

experience of being like the popular girl in

42:19

school because she had all the money, general,

42:21

the clothes and all the everything suddenly necessary

42:23

couples. girlfriend said place where you have a

42:25

has her own career at all by the

42:27

way sorry that's very as you the by

42:30

sizes of television as Vertigo Entertainment and before

42:32

that she worked for think the Person companies

42:34

are legendary and worked on June end to

42:36

the like your. Name many by the

42:38

brains. Whatever. Approach things. she makes

42:40

it works on those so am good for

42:43

you. Not only yeah, she's there, she they're

42:45

they're together. For twenty twenty one their postman

42:47

on her. I didn't look at his. Answer

42:49

And but there be no and soap out

42:51

of these stories. One I I was like

42:53

was thinking would I ever be with someone

42:56

who's image on the cover magazine would bring

42:58

these tears at times be plenty. And whatever

43:00

the step I'm paraphrasing. It was like when

43:02

I saw Discover under cover the radio time

43:04

for something I cried oh wow, that's a

43:06

powerful effect, but they're in love on account

43:09

of Mr. Those. Lava flows of of

43:11

psychosomatic money. So anyway,

43:13

this together and them. A

43:16

good for them and devote the great careers, another

43:18

for them and a play chess me too. I

43:20

am happy for them and into one of the

43:22

videos the game of was it was you pursuit

43:24

seats succeed with the girl she was like kind

43:26

of preppy. she were like the Ralph Lauren adding

43:29

that was a seat in one reform and like

43:31

air attack as you can the I feathery fans

43:33

yes she was Sas see the giving out of

43:35

the invitation. In a given to other people,

43:37

he did. I am hastilow either I don't

43:39

want to me it's com a desert so

43:42

phony crazy how are they playing to they

43:44

look at that like only go I know

43:46

they must be so all of them must

43:48

be so and ourselves lucky to have to

43:51

be yes but anyway it was great and

43:53

payments on them worry are not for the

43:55

exploitation of teenagers so actually it's boss and

43:57

of Esther. Thank you so much. Where

44:00

can the people find you my friends you can

44:02

find me at Esther to names and if you

44:04

go to the link their to should be a

44:06

sign up for him for my sister in this

44:08

bathroom with a nice be pop culture the be

44:11

a podcast and their be bit like at policies

44:13

to call the eighty percent and and will have

44:15

a look you bring about Well I'm going to

44:17

bring it back but I'm kind of re editing

44:19

all the interesting. still have a listen to arm

44:21

the interview that yeah we usually I knew that

44:23

we didn't didn't know each other and we do

44:26

That lies an episode the as Lenny and it's

44:28

like I've got all these that will last. Audio

44:30

recordings of sorts of friendships. Are you than

44:32

my god you were that of a robot.

44:34

I'm only things that they because up until

44:36

the metaphor ages and I'm like for to

44:38

say it nice yesterday and nine afford their

44:41

and you can sign of them. Are there

44:43

any sign of for essar them faith I

44:45

know whether to name's okay my friends Thank

44:47

you so much joy of always. Say.

44:57

Though that's all from the world of entertainment

45:00

this week. Thank you so much within with

45:02

me I really really appreciate you tuning in.

45:04

Am I just a little reminders Other someone

45:06

says me any chance you do an omnibus

45:08

and because they miss the old four months,

45:10

you can just que these episodes are born

45:12

after the other and listen to them all

45:15

in a row. If you are missing the

45:17

old for mass, am not still an upset

45:19

am I probably won't be editing them together

45:21

and but but you can one hundred percent

45:23

listen to them out the same time it's

45:25

It's no problem. And if you're not. Familiar

45:27

with it usually on your podcast ops up

45:30

if you click could have a little buttons

45:32

and the bottom you could pick em. Been

45:34

allowed to cure to next am and then

45:36

it will automatically pay for your it'll be

45:38

just like nothing's ever changed except you'll get

45:40

a little bit of extra me in between

45:42

east Peace although actually probably won't Realistically it's

45:44

for read the same club longer and him

45:47

anyway. I know most of you guys are

45:49

saying that you're really enjoying the new format

45:51

which I'm delighted about cause I think it's

45:53

working really well and but one or two

45:55

people missing the. Olds. The Olds

45:57

one. but it's it's. You can still do

45:59

it. Okay I'm gonna

46:01

go thank you so much to you for listening think

46:04

it's a cancer have none the network and of course

46:06

thank you to assert I will talk to you on

46:08

Friday I have a brilliant interview for you This week

46:10

is already recorded. I know you're gonna lie that and

46:12

said you come back as it is. Ah,

46:49

Hey. Have you played anything fun

46:51

lately? Well it's too late for

46:53

some sunshine. Still said to Length

46:56

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46:58

can four thousand acres of land

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