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Exclusions apply. See site for details. Hello,

1:12

my friend, and welcome to Catch Up with Louise

1:14

McSharry. This, of course, is the podcast where I

1:16

do my best to keep you catch-cached up. To

1:20

keep you caught up on the events around

1:22

the world, the tiny little things that don't

1:24

matter, usually in the entertainment

1:26

section, and then things that do matter usually in

1:28

the news section today. We are talking entertainment and

1:30

there is loads to talk about. We've got the

1:32

Oscars, we've got the Palavra with

1:34

the Kate Middleton photograph, we've

1:37

got lots of Sharon

1:39

and Louis in the Celebrity Big Brother House,

1:41

which I'm just loving, and lots more besides.

1:44

Before we get into it, though, I wanted to,

1:46

first of all, just acknowledge I've just read the

1:48

news about Charlie Bird's passing. It

1:51

just came out after I had recorded this

1:53

episode, although, I don't know, we probably would

1:55

have spoken about it, I suppose, in the

1:57

entertainment episode, even though he isn't technically an

1:59

entertainer. He was of course a journalist

2:01

and a presenter and he

2:03

did brilliant,

2:05

brilliant work in Orte over the years and I

2:07

know he is much loved and admired by people around the

2:10

world. I think the

2:12

work that he did did excuse me

2:14

to raise awareness of motor neuron disease

2:16

and his openness in terms of his

2:18

experience with the disease is really impressive

2:20

and generous and I hope he rests

2:23

in peace. A

2:25

big loss. I

2:28

also just wanted to say another thank you to

2:30

all of you who continue to support the podcast.

2:38

Sorry, there's like a million things I want to say

2:40

but I really just appreciate it so much. I

2:45

put a lot into this and sometimes I have

2:47

weeks where I'm like what am I doing? Who

2:49

cares about you? Who cares about this? This is

2:51

stupid. But all of you who support me and

2:53

listen and send me lovely feedback and join the

2:56

Patreon, it just means so, so much and I

2:58

just don't want you to think that that goes

3:00

unnoticed. I really appreciate it. Anyway, let's

3:02

get into the week's entertainment. This week I'm

3:04

joined by the wonderful Cassie Delaney. Cassie

3:07

Delaney, what a joy it is to have

3:09

you back on the podcast on this Oscar

3:11

week of all things. Well,

3:14

I'm really excited. Anyone who

3:17

has followed me, the three people who have followed

3:19

me for a long time will know that the

3:21

Oscars is my buzz. I

3:23

used to create a spreadsheet

3:26

of all the movies. I used

3:28

to put down my predictions and

3:30

then watch them and rate myself year

3:32

on year on how I was doing in

3:34

terms of me being an Academy participant

3:38

and how I would have voted. I

3:41

actually think we might have talked about this

3:43

last year because I'm pretty sure I told

3:45

you that I used to write down all

3:48

the winners, write down as

3:50

I was watching. Like, who was I writing it down

3:52

for? Like I really don't know. I

3:55

shall share with you my Google

3:57

Docs sheets of past.

4:00

Oscar thinks purely for my own enjoyment, who makes

4:02

a spreadsheet for their own enjoyment? But

4:06

I fell out of love with the Oscars, it

4:08

was kind of a tumultuous relationship over

4:10

the last couple of years because I

4:12

have never forgiven them for not giving

4:14

Angelina Jolie the Oscar for Tangeling and

4:17

for that scene specifically where she's like, did you

4:19

kill my son? Which I

4:21

think is one of the greatest cinematic moments of all time.

4:24

So this year I wasn't that thrilled

4:27

with the Oscars because of their snubbing

4:29

of therapy, I didn't watch it

4:31

but reading up on it from

4:34

over the last couple of days

4:36

hasn't surprised me. I

4:38

mean Oppenheimer, I'm still not going to watch it, I

4:40

refuse. Yeah, so Oppenheimer obviously one

4:42

of the big winners, no great

4:44

surprises there. Cillian

4:47

Murphy obviously won, first man

4:49

to ever win and first

4:51

Irish man to win the best actor

4:53

Oscar. I was delighted

4:56

for him Cassie. Oh no,

4:58

I'm thrilled for him. I'm absolutely thrilled for him.

5:00

There's nothing an Irish person can't do that doesn't

5:02

fill me with intense pride, I mean as

5:04

long as it's positive. And there's a lot

5:06

of pride with the Irish arts this

5:08

week but just

5:11

in terms of how the Oscars,

5:14

I just think it was Oppenheimer won

5:17

what, seven awards, it had been nominated

5:19

for 13, it got best picture, best

5:22

director, best actor, best supporting actor.

5:25

It was just a bit predictable and then

5:29

I watched all of most of the Oscar

5:31

films this year except for Oppenheimer because I

5:33

just think three and a half hours is

5:36

too much. I'm the same, I haven't

5:38

seen it either and a couple

5:41

of weeks ago I said I would see it and then I

5:44

can't remember if someone DM'd me and was like

5:46

don't watch it, don't watch it, it's too long,

5:48

it's not that good, don't

5:50

waste your time. And I was like okay thanks, I

5:52

won't. It's rude

5:55

to make a film that long. I agree,

5:57

I totally agree but then Gwen says it's

5:59

just my honor. Oppositional Defiance Disorder that

6:01

comes with my ADHD where like I refuse

6:03

to watch anything that people tell me to

6:05

watch Which is there a

6:07

name for that? Yeah, oppositional Oh

6:09

my god disorder it's called oh,

6:11

I have never understood that about

6:14

my life or something Yeah, I can

6:16

then something to me the less I want to do but

6:19

now it does obviously go beyond that because it's also goes

6:21

to like if someone tells you to do something like say

6:23

you're about To wash the dishes and then someone says could

6:25

you wash the dishes there then all of a sudden? You're

6:27

like I don't want to watch the dishes actually. I'm not

6:29

gonna do it It's it's a weird thing that I did

6:32

actually genuinely did not think I had Until

6:34

Gordon was watching a tick-tock about it, and he was like

6:36

oh my god. This is you This

6:38

is you and your 80 because it's it's very dominant

6:41

ADHD And I was like

6:43

what I was like I actually didn't think I

6:45

had that bit and he was like are you

6:47

joking? And he started pointing out like all these

6:49

different instances and ever since he pointed it out

6:51

I've realized that I actually very much

6:53

have it and it's one of the reasons I have

6:55

such a really difficult time with advice like

6:58

if anybody ever gives me advice. I'm like fuck

7:00

you I'm never doing that like why it's so

7:02

stupid like this could help me and yet my

7:04

brain is like absolutely not never What I dare

7:07

you it's insulting that you would even say that

7:09

to me like where I and I've never been able to

7:11

make sense of It but apparently it's this but I did

7:14

Gordon has wanted me to watch dune

7:16

for Yours years

7:18

now no well Cassie. I watched it. I sucked

7:20

it up. I said you know what Gordon okay?

7:22

I'll watch it and I have to watch it

7:24

over two nights Let's see what happens long and

7:27

as we know I cannot do that But

7:29

I'm it is very good, but I said

7:32

to him before on time It just feels like

7:34

I don't know Star Wars to me And I've

7:36

also never seen a whole Star Wars film and

7:38

that's nothing it gets it. It's just not

7:40

for me personally It's not my thing. I like

7:43

character development. I like conversation like you know There's

7:45

not a whole lot of that in these films,

7:47

but then yeah, I like this sorry I

7:51

Like to stumble upon a movie that no one

7:53

has ever seen or talked about and watches on

7:55

my own Yeah, that'd be my cinematic

7:57

experience. Yeah, preferably with characters. He really

8:00

like a virtually unlikable like I love those kind of

8:02

films. But anyway, I said to Gordon, it

8:04

just seems like Star Wars to me. And then after watching it,

8:06

Gordon was like, Oh my God, it is like

8:08

Star Wars. It's like, yeah, but

8:10

it is good. Like, you know, visually, the

8:12

whole thing about it is like visually, it's incredible.

8:14

And the sound I can see, obviously we watched

8:16

it at home. Now I have a sky glass.

8:18

This is not not but it was gifted to

8:20

me. And the sound on the sky glass is

8:23

incredible. And when I got it as part of

8:25

work I did with it. Anyway, you know me,

8:27

I tried to be as transparent as possible. I

8:29

got it because you got it. Well,

8:31

I love it, I have to say. But,

8:34

um, Gordon, um,

8:37

but yeah, I could see how the sound in

8:39

a cinema would be unbelievable. It would be better.

8:41

And I think I will actually go and see

8:43

Dune 2 in the cinema as a result of

8:46

that. Anyway, that was a really

8:48

great challenge. I really support that for you. Yeah, I really

8:50

support it for you. But the more I listen to you

8:52

talk about it, the less you want to see

8:54

it. I know. I got to go. Yeah, yeah,

8:56

yeah. And here we are to recommend pop culture

8:58

moments to other people. Hypocrisy

9:00

is never lost on me.

9:03

But yeah, I mean, there was

9:06

some good moments from the Oscars

9:08

in general. Emma Stone suffered, first

9:10

of all Emma Stone, winning for

9:12

Poor Things. I fully support. I

9:14

saw Poor Things two weeks ago. I thought

9:16

it was brilliant. I loved it. I

9:19

thought she was absolutely incredible and

9:22

I'm happy with that one. She

9:24

suffered a wardrobe malfunction just before

9:26

she went up on stage. Well,

9:28

during a performance of I'm Just Ken. And

9:31

again, the irony of the

9:33

Oscars snubbing Barbie and Ryan

9:36

Gosling performing I'm Just Ken as

9:38

all the men cheered was, it was,

9:42

it was art. It was just

9:44

perfect, wasn't it? It wasn't brilliant performance

9:46

though. And I really

9:48

enjoyed Francesca Scorsese. She

9:51

does a lot of social media content with

9:53

her and her dad, Marti Scorsese. And

9:55

she posted a video of her

9:58

dad enjoying I'm Just Ken. which

10:00

I also enjoyed at a very

10:02

meta level. Yeah,

10:05

I mean, look, it was a great performance. It's not Ryan Gosling's fault. No.

10:10

That he seems to be the biggest star

10:12

in the film. That was about how hard

10:14

it is to be a woman. But, yeah, it was

10:17

just like Norma's. John Cena

10:20

came out and sort of did

10:23

an homage to this streak of 50

10:25

years ago and

10:27

did a funny moment where he was nude

10:29

and the card was covering up his nethers.

10:32

That was enjoyable. Trump said

10:34

Jimmy Kimmel was the worst host of all time

10:36

and he read out the main tweet. All

10:39

in all, a very sort of average

10:43

awards show, I would say. Did

10:45

like seeing all the calls for cease

10:47

fires in Gaza. That was great. Billie

10:50

Eilish and a couple of other stars were wearing

10:52

the little badge of support. Yeah,

10:55

tricky. Like there's lots of people who

10:57

felt that there should have been more. Obviously,

11:00

Jonathan Glaser from Zone of Interest made

11:02

an actual comment on it in his

11:04

acceptance speech. Killian Murphy said, you know,

11:07

commented on the thinking of the peacemakers, which

11:10

obviously is a nod to that. But

11:13

I think there are people who really wanted him to do

11:15

more. Did you see the protests

11:17

that happened? I saw the protesters down the

11:19

street. I didn't see them. Yeah. So

11:22

there was a big pro-Palestinian protest

11:24

that happened near. Well, it

11:27

was making its way towards the Delby theater where

11:29

the Oscars were taking place and eventually disrupted traffic

11:31

to such an extent that people who were going

11:33

to the Oscars had to get out of their

11:35

cars and walk the rest of the way, which

11:37

was made

11:39

for some really amazing images. I have to say

11:41

of like these very dressed up people screwing their

11:44

way through these protesters. But

11:46

then there's also footage of Mark Ruffalo arriving on

11:48

the red carpet and like walking

11:51

past reporters and saying the pro-Palestinian

11:53

protest just ruptured the Oscars. That's

11:55

humanity wins. Like he was

11:57

all about it. But then there were. lots

12:00

of conversation about like, were

12:03

the pro-Palestinian protesters protesting the Oscars themselves?

12:05

Were they just trying to draw attention

12:08

to what's happening in Palestine? Like should Mark

12:10

Ruffalo have not gone to the Oscars if

12:12

he's pro-Palestine, which is what some people seem

12:14

to have been saying? And you know, it's

12:17

complicated. And actually I just spoke about this

12:19

with Carl on the news podcast. Like it's,

12:22

it's hard because yeah, things like

12:24

the Oscars do seem really silly

12:27

and meaningless in the context of

12:29

the mass loss of life and

12:32

cruelty that's happening, you know, in

12:34

Gaza. But at the same time, I saw

12:37

someone else writing that, you know, at

12:39

the end of the day, movies do have an

12:41

impact when it comes to sharing stories and helping

12:43

to people to understand each other. And, you know,

12:46

it as an industry is not the

12:48

root of these problems. So I

12:51

don't really know where I sound. Yeah.

12:53

The thing is that I always say about this is

12:55

like with the news and everything that's going on is

12:57

obviously super important. The news helps us to

12:59

understand the world, but the arts helps us to

13:01

interpret it and to

13:03

feel it and to process it. And

13:06

I think that there was some great

13:08

statements made about art

13:11

at the Oscars saying things like there will come

13:13

a time in years to come where we are

13:16

making films about what is happening now. And

13:19

they are obviously there, you know, the arts is important. That's

13:21

how we move and feel our way through the world. And

13:23

without art, what is there? You know? Yeah. And if we

13:25

didn't have the arts, you wouldn't have a pop culture section

13:27

and I wouldn't have a job. Well, that's true. No,

13:29

the arts are obviously very important. But it is funny

13:32

when you think about that, that like, yes, there will

13:34

be films made about what's happening now, but like, what

13:38

about what's happening now? Like, how do we, I

13:40

mean, obviously you and I are going to solve it this morning.

13:44

Yeah, I mean, we're not, but I think there is

13:46

a lot. If we talk briefly about, say, the

13:49

support of the Irish artists pulling out of South

13:51

by Southwest this week, that's incredible, because

13:54

in artists and

13:57

people who are kind of in performing

13:59

arts, have a lot of influence and

14:01

have a lot of power and then lending their power

14:03

to Protest and this

14:05

kind of thing and standing up and saying it's

14:08

not good enough We're not going to support events

14:11

is the kind of thing that will put pressure on

14:13

governments to put in proper sanctions to put

14:15

in Proper boycott, you know and

14:17

to really make them to really make a

14:19

difference So it might seem

14:21

like it's small and trivial now, but what

14:23

was what's this great phase? It's

14:26

never underestimate the power of A

14:29

single person to change the world. It's the only thing that ever

14:31

has So it is

14:33

about those kind of building blocks of all

14:36

those little protests all those standing up and

14:38

I mean this the sense of pride as

14:40

well in the Irish artists, so and basically

14:44

what happened this week is side by side quest

14:46

is on in Austin, yeah, and There

14:49

is a music from Ireland showcase every year

14:52

It's out by Southwest and it was

14:54

due to feature kneecap Soda

14:56

blonde sprints mix Lanry Gavin James,

14:58

but they have all over the last couple of days pulled

15:01

out Insolidarity with the

15:03

people of Palestine because of the

15:05

links between the festival and a

15:07

weapons company Army

15:10

military, yeah The

15:12

US Army found as a super

15:15

sponsor but Collins aerospace, which is a subsidiary

15:17

company RTX is going to have a president

15:19

at the festival RTX is one of the

15:21

largest defense companies in the world and has

15:23

been supplying weapons to Israel. So, um For

15:28

Irish like when you think about soda

15:31

blonde who are an incredible indie

15:33

band. Yeah a brilliant music I absolutely

15:35

adore that but something like South by

15:37

Southwest would have been massive for

15:39

them and for them to you know

15:43

Turn down that opportunity in

15:46

for moral reasons and

15:48

in solidarity is that's

15:51

that's Humanity, that's

15:53

incredible. Well, it's also it's

15:55

not just and it's

15:58

not just a the

16:00

messaging because you know they're not only missing kind

16:02

of being at the festival, they're missing the money

16:04

that they would have made by being at the

16:07

festival and they are losing all of the money

16:09

that they spent on travel like yeah you know

16:11

it's thousands and it is almost

16:13

impossible to make your way as a musician in Ireland

16:15

these days like almost impossible I don't know I honestly

16:18

don't know how most of them are doing it so

16:21

um you know it's no small

16:23

sacrifice and it's very difficult to

16:25

do and you know

16:27

I hope I think it would be great

16:29

if we saw lots of people say pre-ordering

16:31

albums ordering albums buying merch from these bands

16:33

to show them that they are supportive and

16:35

that you know we appreciate the the move

16:37

that they made. Okay

16:39

sure and like they're brilliant acts

16:42

absolutely incredible the talent is amazing

16:44

the music is fabulous. Sodorbond have

16:46

such bangers. Sodorbond actually have a

16:48

song where at the start of I think

16:50

is um I think it's a recording

16:52

of Trump it's called Terrible

16:55

Hands and it's about the state of the world and

16:57

it's a brilliant brilliant song and I'm pretty sure

16:59

it's Trump at the start of it. I'm

17:01

actually really embarrassed to say that

17:03

I had never seen Sodorbond live

17:05

until uh last week when I went

17:07

to the Choice Music Prize which we're going to talk about in a little

17:09

bit and I was blown away like

17:13

oh my god they're so good but primarily

17:15

she is so good like what a performer.

17:18

Yeah yeah I know it's incredible there's nothing

17:20

I mean it's just it's it's the big

17:22

one of our friends always says there's a

17:24

big bang the golden buzzer off me but

17:26

there's nothing I enjoy more

17:28

than seeing a um an artist like

17:30

I saw Morgana and Strictor Richardson last night and

17:32

I was watching I was like this is what

17:35

I want to do this is my calling I

17:37

want to be a singer-songwriter haven't announced a talent

17:40

notoriously even speaking I'm out of

17:42

tune like I can't I just

17:46

couldn't it's a dream so I

17:49

can't those who can't sing podcast

17:51

and I I lend

17:54

my way to the arts by supporting

17:56

them and standing front row at six

17:58

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19:13

let's move on to a story that I

19:16

know has gotten a lot of people gripped over the course of

19:18

not just the last week, but the last number of weeks. It

19:20

is the story of Kate Middleton. This

19:23

is brilliant. I

19:26

am going to be dining out on this

19:28

and the memes for years because it is

19:31

just the story that keeps on giving. So

19:34

we'll go back. I'll give you

19:37

a brief synopsis of what has gone on here. So

19:39

Kate Mitty had abdominal surgery

19:41

in January, well had not

19:43

been seen since Christmas. So

19:45

from the beginning, the palace said that they would

19:47

be keeping the Princess of Wales diagnosis

19:50

private and saying

19:53

that the

19:56

public would understand her desire to maintain normality

19:58

for her children and to basically... respect

20:00

her personal and private space. Obviously,

20:03

we're not going to do that

20:05

because she's the princess to know where

20:07

she is. So then after

20:09

that, there was kind of more speculation because

20:12

Prince William bowed out of attending a

20:14

memorial service for King

20:16

Constantine of Greece at the last minute.

20:19

So then there was loads of speculation around Kate's

20:21

health and kind of where she

20:23

was. Yeah, is she okay? Yes.

20:27

Then, so in

20:29

the last 13 days, there has

20:31

been two paparazzi photos of Kate

20:33

now because the online conspiracy theories

20:36

were absolutely

20:38

dust. Her personal favourite

20:40

was that she was

20:43

recovering from a BBL.

20:45

So there's been no sightings of her. So

20:48

then there was two paparazzi photos. One was

20:51

in the car with her mother and then

20:53

one came out yesterday again in the

20:55

car apparently leaving the palace with

20:58

William. But in the midst of all that,

21:00

on Mother's Day, they decided

21:03

to post a picture of Kate

21:05

with the three kiddies thinking

21:07

that this would alleviate concerns.

21:10

Yeah, but it has

21:12

only made things worse because eagle

21:15

eyes, people, you didn't even have to be

21:17

eagle eyes. You could see very clearly that

21:19

the image was manipulated. So

21:22

there was a blurry hand. There

21:24

was a sleeve that hadn't been

21:26

properly copied. Like it was missing parts

21:28

of it. The windows in the back

21:31

were kind of bent and out of

21:33

focus. It was a big, big really,

21:35

it was a real smell of face

21:37

tune off it initially, which

21:39

would be fine. But then you realise

21:41

that the photo was either,

21:43

I don't think it was AI

21:45

generated like people were saying, but it was definitely

21:48

manipulated from multiple photos. Now obviously, if

21:50

you're taking a family portrait, photographers will

21:52

usually merge photos together because if you've

21:54

got four people in a photo, the

21:56

chances are one will happen, I suppose,

21:59

one's face will be out. So it was a gorgeous photo where they

22:01

all looked really happy in it. It probably is taken

22:03

from multiple photos. Instead

22:05

of saying that and saying that, you

22:08

know, it's just a portrait, this is

22:10

normal and it was just a little

22:12

bit of a sloppy Photoshop. Sorry about

22:14

that. Here's the original picture. Instead,

22:17

Case put out a statement

22:20

which is, I'd

22:23

say we'll be quoting it from years to come.

22:25

Did you see, did you

22:28

see Kim Kardashian's photo? Yes,

22:30

very amazing. So

22:32

funny. So I'll be using this. Like I am

22:35

someone who loves to experiment with Photoshop. I have

22:37

put my, for years my face was on a

22:39

Benedict Cumberbatch's body. But

22:42

she came out with a statement

22:44

that basically said, like most amateur

22:47

photographers, I too experiment with

22:49

editing. Yada, yada, yada.

22:51

I apologize for any confusion caused by the photo

22:53

I released yesterday. But prior to that, when Ken

22:55

Minibale had released the photo, they had said that

22:57

William had taken it. And

23:00

then Kate came out and said, well, she was experimenting

23:02

with the editing of it. So it's like, where was

23:04

William involved? Was he there? And one

23:06

of the things that I find most interesting

23:08

about it was, considering

23:10

they were zooming in and changing loads of stuff

23:13

about this photograph, she's not wearing her wedding

23:15

ring and she's not wearing her engagement ring, which

23:18

is a very, it's very,

23:20

just very interesting because they're usually

23:22

so cautious

23:24

of details and things

23:26

like that. And given the level of speculation, because a

23:29

lot of the online rumors are that they are

23:31

heading for divorce and that is why

23:33

she's taking time away from William, you

23:35

would think that they would come out with a, first of

23:37

all, William could have been in the

23:39

photo, but it was, it's

23:42

really weird that they have done that

23:44

and it's almost fueled more speculation. It has

23:46

fueled more speculation. Like the whole thing has

23:48

been a mess for them. Like if the

23:50

goal was to kind of get people to

23:52

stop talking, they've failed miserably. And

23:54

like, because it's not just that amateurs and like

23:56

people like us were like, oh, that photo looks dodgy.

23:58

Like AP issued. kill notice. And

24:01

like other photo agencies as well and

24:03

saying that you know the photo should

24:06

not be distributed, should not be used

24:08

because they detected like you

24:10

know some sort of manipulation. This is really

24:12

telling, yes. They said a close study of

24:14

the image revealed inconsistencies suggesting it had been

24:17

altered for instance in the

24:19

alignment of Prince Charlotte's left hand with the leave

24:21

of her sweater. And

24:23

I think you know people had circled kind of

24:26

20 different things that had gone awry

24:29

in the photo. It

24:31

is wild, it is a mess for them but

24:33

it is providing us with

24:37

just a plethora of

24:39

memes. The

24:42

merging of the unknown from

24:44

the Willy Wonka experience into

24:47

the photo has given me

24:49

like a level of serotonin I actually didn't

24:51

think was possible. It is

24:55

fabulous. My personal

24:57

favorite was Gaelic Queens on Instagram. I

24:59

don't know if you follow them, very

25:02

good Irish funny people who

25:05

merged Twink and Jack Swift. You know

25:07

Jack Swift from TikTok? If

25:09

you don't know him, he is joy personified

25:12

into it. I will link it in the show

25:14

notes but Cassie just for your benefit I'll hold

25:16

it up here now to the

25:18

camera. It is genius. I'm going to

25:21

take some time, personal Cassie time later and

25:24

I'm just going to

25:29

have my way with photoshopping different scenarios

25:31

into that image just for my

25:34

own personal entertainment. Now I

25:36

will say obviously it is kind of tricky

25:38

to have this conversation without acknowledging

25:40

that it is insane the amount of

25:43

speculation and detention that is poured on

25:45

this woman. We've

25:49

learned nothing. We've learned abscess. It's

25:52

nuts and I hope that

25:54

she's okay. I did see some people saying

25:56

that potentially if she had an abdominal surgery

25:58

she'd be okay. could have like a

26:01

stoma bag or something and just not want to

26:03

be seen in public because of that yet. Like

26:05

there could be a serious health thing going on

26:07

or just that she's not ready, you know. And

26:09

I'm sure we'll find out in due course, but

26:11

they just, the way they are managing it is

26:14

really, like, really wild. Laffable. Really,

26:17

really wild. And she probably is, yeah, I mean, this

26:19

is, I was saying to friends, yes, we were talking

26:21

about, and I was like, she probably is just unwell

26:23

and needs some time alone. But there

26:26

is a certain, I mean, it's all

26:28

in good humor. I don't think anyone

26:30

is mocking her. And like people are

26:32

hoping that she's okay. It's

26:35

not, we're not laughing at Kate, we're laughing

26:37

at the way Kenton's and Pa's are doing

26:39

this. Then one of the best, the best

26:42

things I saw was that the photo seems

26:44

to be taken, her face in the photo

26:46

seems to be taken from a Vogue magazine

26:48

cover. Now I looked at the two photos

26:50

separately and I was like, she just has

26:53

the same face. That's why they look similar.

26:55

But someone over-related. And it

26:57

is, it's like, it's the positioning, everything, the smile,

26:59

like it is uncanny.

27:01

It seems to be, this photo,

27:04

it seems to be that

27:06

they have taken her from

27:09

there. So, we'll wait and

27:11

see what unfolds. I hope

27:13

she's well, I hope Willy is well, but

27:15

I also hope this continues because I love

27:18

talking about this. I love

27:20

masks. This kind of mask is very enjoyable. Where

27:22

no one's really being harmed is enjoyable. And no

27:24

one's said, yes. I mean

27:26

speculation is that she's said. But

27:28

that feels unlikely. Yeah, that feels

27:30

unlikely. Okay, let's go back. We're actually

27:33

going to go back to Artisan and Gaza because there's

27:35

been a lot of it this week. Emmelda Mae was

27:37

on The Late Late Show and obviously

27:39

we've had a lot of chat over the last

27:41

number of weeks about people being silenced in terms

27:43

of Palestine on The Late Late Show. And obviously,

27:46

Nick Haps just decided that they would

27:49

do what they want, which is

27:51

unsurprising. But Emmelda Mae found her

27:53

own way of supporting the Palestinian

27:56

cause. And also, there was an

27:58

issue with the choice. music

28:00

prize and when Lancum won it

28:02

and their exception speech was edited out of the

28:04

content that went online via RTE. So

28:08

what did Amel de May do? So

28:10

this is actually gorgeous I thought. Amel

28:12

de May was on the Late Late

28:15

last week and she wore a traditional Palestinian

28:18

dress saying that she wants to

28:20

show herself out with the Palestinian people during her

28:22

appearance. So she was on

28:24

to promote her Sky documentary

28:27

Lillian Lally and then she moved

28:29

on to talk about Palestine.

28:31

So she said that this was

28:34

a trustees embroidery from

28:36

Palestine done by a couple of

28:38

Palestinian sisters and

28:40

they make pieces of art where

28:43

they put their lives and embroidered

28:46

their lives into the clothing which is like a

28:48

really just a really

28:50

nice concept I think and she

28:52

called for peace and love against war

28:54

and much show her solidarity with the

28:56

women with people of Palestine with children

28:59

being harmed and named and against and

29:01

she to just claim

29:03

against genocide against occupation. So

29:07

I thought that was a really nice that

29:09

was a really really really nice way to

29:11

show Sal's Irish units. Obviously Patrick Kilti had to move

29:13

on and just ask about other things. I

29:15

think it's particularly difficult I

29:18

know obviously you were my priority before

29:20

I've done work with them as well

29:22

you can't make political

29:24

statements and it's really difficult. I

29:26

remember specifically during the time of

29:28

the referendum the marriage

29:31

equality referendum it's really really changing for people

29:33

in there. It doesn't mean that they don't

29:35

want to speak about it it's just they

29:37

can't it's the national broadcaster they have to

29:39

remain in place. I don't

29:42

know what the Choice Music Prize is if this

29:44

was the case so if we go and talk

29:46

briefly about it because Orty did say that they

29:48

would rectify that and that the speech would appear

29:50

in full. So Lancombe won the

29:52

award for album of the year and

29:56

Ian Lynch who's in the band

29:58

said I gave a gorgeous speech

30:00

actually and receiving it saying that

30:02

while they're really grateful to get

30:04

the awards it's hard to see how

30:07

we can celebrate when there's an actual

30:09

live genocide going on and he

30:11

called for the government to

30:14

introduce some actual meaningful sanctions. He

30:16

said marches and petitions will increase

30:18

pressure on the government to act

30:20

but if they do there's other

30:22

ways to get things done. There's

30:24

occupations, direct action, boycotts, comes

30:26

to the supermarket, finds every Israeli product you can find and

30:28

fuck it in the bin. We all

30:30

need to do exactly what we can because in

30:33

years to come our grandkids are going to be sitting on

30:35

our lap and they're going to be

30:37

going nana granda what did you do during the Palestinian

30:39

genocide. They're gonna feel like a prick if

30:41

you can't tell them you did everything in

30:43

your power to stop this which I thought was a

30:45

really really powerful just powerful

30:48

statement you know just to say that

30:51

like we can do we obviously

30:53

I think everyone is doing what they can in

30:56

terms of boycotts you're spending power is so

30:58

important where you put your attention is really

31:00

important to news outlets you support all

31:02

this kind of stuff matters and obviously

31:05

the marches have been the marches are

31:07

only growing in Dublin which

31:09

is fantastic. It is fantastic when you consider that it's

31:11

been going on for so long. I

31:13

was there I was at the choice prize

31:15

and there were a good few moments across

31:17

the across the night where there were nods

31:19

to Palestine and and actually

31:21

Lancum during their performance sang a song

31:24

specifically about it and which was really

31:26

moving and you

31:28

know look if you give a band like Lancum the prize

31:30

this is what they're gonna do like nobody with

31:32

the prize like they have spoken so openly and

31:34

you know they've counseled gigs they had an

31:36

awful time in Germany at the very start of this

31:39

and you know they

31:41

spoke about it at the gig for Gaza and the three

31:44

arena and like their position

31:46

is known and clear and of course they were

31:48

never gonna win the choice prize and not say

31:50

anything. Yeah of course and I think it's really

31:53

it's it feels very futile because it feels like

31:55

we're small people very far away from a problem

31:57

like we can't do anything or it's not gonna

31:59

make it impact and sure like you know

32:02

we all have to work and get on with things but you

32:05

look at how the attitudes towards

32:07

Palestine are now changing you look

32:09

at how people perform like how

32:12

people talked about it at the Oscars for wearing

32:14

badges and solidarity and if the

32:17

messaging that we're you

32:19

know I think Ireland has been particularly good at

32:21

standing in solidarity with Palestine and that is sending

32:24

a message to the rest of the world and

32:26

it is making a difference and things will change

32:28

and it just needs to be you know it

32:30

it's mad to think

32:32

you'd be standing at the Garden of Remembrance

32:34

calling for a ceasefire and calling for sanctions

32:37

and calling for boycotts but it does have

32:39

ripple effect yeah we just have to keep

32:41

we just have to keep doing it even to send

32:44

the message back to people or Palestinian people

32:46

here to know that they're supported and

32:48

we just don't stand for it so it's

32:51

yeah every little every little help. So the

32:53

situation by the way with with

32:55

the link of speech was that it was edited and

32:59

it was edited out of

33:02

of the kind of airing of of the

33:04

choice prize now as you say Orty said

33:07

that the speech was included in

33:09

the live broadcast and that the recording of the

33:11

full live version will be available online shortly so

33:13

apparently it was rectified but obviously people were up

33:15

in arms about it and it's understandable because people

33:17

feel very frustrated and

33:19

yeah anyway let's move on to something that

33:21

is just like I mean completely meaningless and

33:24

very fun and that is Sharon Osborn and

33:26

Louie Welsh on Celebrity Big Brother. Are

33:29

you watching these? I am

33:31

watching I have to watch last night. I

33:33

haven't seen last night either. And I heard

33:36

there was a good out of twist in it last night

33:38

and I am I'm watching

33:41

it just for the two of them I thought I was

33:43

gonna go in for Eken's sake because I thought she'd

33:45

provide a lot of comedy the way that she

33:47

did on Love Island and she's been fine

33:49

but Sharon and

33:51

Louie together is it's

33:55

like being in the pub after three points

33:57

with your drunk aunt yes but they're like that

33:59

all the time Exactly. Your drunk aunt knows

34:01

loads of famous people and isn't holding back on

34:03

telling you exactly what she thinks of them. Everyone

34:06

and I just cannot. I'm sitting

34:09

there mouth like open being

34:11

like if this is the stuff that

34:13

they're airing Yeah, what are they saying

34:15

off air? And

34:17

so yeah, Parni's and every big brother

34:19

classes are having a nightmare having to

34:21

screen hours of footage because Sharon and

34:23

Louis Will not shut up pitching about

34:25

every celebrity they've ever met So

34:28

far they've gone to town and James Gordon

34:30

which we all knew we all knew he was annoying

34:32

That's fine. Love to have that confirmed. Yeah, Parni. He's

34:34

a big name dropper And Ellen

34:36

DeGeneres was described as the Ellen

34:38

generous around a winter those described

34:41

as the sea where it doesn't matter

34:43

I think it was on a winter. Yeah, Ellen

34:45

generous. Louis said her name and Sharon went

34:49

Yeah, yeah Bob, what did you say they

34:51

don't like her like

34:54

there's so So

34:56

funny and they don't I think they're so

34:59

used to each other's humor that they don't

35:01

find each other funny I know when Sharon

35:03

was like well Anna winter who likes her

35:05

and Louis was like Anna winter Britain

35:09

there's coming genius. It is

35:11

so funny. So in the last It's

35:14

so so funny even in the last couple of days.

35:16

They've gone to town Trump

35:19

so Louis hates Donald Trump called him a

35:21

phony or fraud or something and

35:23

Sharon actually said that he was nice To

35:26

her but then was explaining that

35:29

if he finds you attractive, he'll talk to you

35:31

if he doesn't he's not like how they're getting

35:34

away Oh, and of course they went to town

35:36

on Simon Cowell as well They're like I don't

35:38

know how they're getting away with screening this I

35:40

can imagine some very stressed out media lawyers Having

35:43

to go through footage to approve or

35:45

not approve but by the end

35:47

of their I suppose a very nice time here, I

35:49

think that just be There's

35:51

just been letting things go it is wisely entertaining now

35:53

Sharon Sharon I think might be gone already like she

35:56

was only she's a lodger in the house Like she

35:58

was never meant to do the whole thing think

36:00

she has her own room and stuff.

36:02

So obviously, I'm only doing it. Yeah,

36:05

she must have said I'm only doing it like, you

36:08

know, if Well, it's because Ozzy is

36:10

sick and she did come out, she

36:12

said in an interview beforehand that the

36:14

only reason she agreed to do it

36:16

was because Ozzy has Parkinson's and is

36:19

really unwell at the moment. And he

36:21

loves to watch clips of her and Louis

36:23

from the X Factor because they can giggle

36:25

so much. So she only went

36:27

in to be reunited with Louis so that

36:30

Ozzy could be at home watching it. Oh,

36:32

God, that's very cute. That's so sweet. Yeah,

36:34

that's so cute. She wants to go back

36:36

to him. And so yeah, she agreed

36:38

to put only a half a million

36:40

for five days. Yeah, which is

36:43

my rights now going forward. God,

36:45

I wish. So

36:48

I'm finally to actually say with

36:50

Donald Trump, Sinead O'Connor's estate is

36:53

fighting with Donald Trump because he's using

36:55

her music like, of all the

36:57

people who need to use Donald Trump. I

37:00

just I know. So like, nothing compares

37:02

to you doesn't really strike

37:04

me as the song that would psych people

37:06

up for like a political rally. You know,

37:09

like fair enough, like I was like, I

37:11

had a tiger walking in something. But look,

37:13

this has happened to Trump so many times

37:15

because artists like

37:18

Phil Collins, Aerosmith, Rolling Stones,

37:20

Neil Young, Village People have

37:22

all told him to stop using

37:24

his using their music. So

37:27

the latest one is that the estate

37:30

of Sinead O'Connor have slammed Trump after

37:32

using nothing compares to you at rallies

37:35

in North Carolina and Maryland. And

37:39

they said throughout her life, it is well

37:41

known that Sinead O'Connor lived by a fierce

37:43

moral code defined by honesty, kindness, fairness

37:45

and decency towards her fellow human beings.

37:48

It was with outrage, therefore, that we learned

37:50

that Donald Trump had been using her iconic

37:52

performance of nothing compares to you. And it's

37:54

no exaggeration to say that Sinead would have

37:56

been disgusted, hurt and

37:58

insulted, which is just brilliant

38:01

and oh yeah because she had referred to

38:03

him as a biblical devil before.

38:05

Always so elegant with her words,

38:07

always so articulate and

38:10

it's worth noting as well that I

38:12

mean Trump like you could just do so much shy as

38:14

you can say about Trump and but

38:17

it you know Trump this week, not

38:22

necessarily in standing with Israel

38:24

but he said they have to finish the

38:26

problem and then claimed that it didn't know

38:28

this would be going on if he was

38:30

president which is absolutely absolutely horseshit and

38:32

but like Sinead O'Connor back in 2014

38:34

was refusing to play

38:37

in Israel. Yeah so she

38:40

was she was

38:42

just a gem she's a wonderful woman. She

38:44

was so clear

38:48

about what she believed and she never ever compromised

38:50

on it and that is so admirable because it's

38:52

not easy to do. Yeah it's

38:55

not easy to do in general especially not easy

38:57

to do and I think when you're in the

38:59

public eye and yeah she was amazing. Any

39:02

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39:04

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39:07

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