The known is where we have inhabited on a regular basis, we find comfort in knowing our place in the structure and what is expected. Suffering takes us to places we are not familiar, pain, physical and emotional, when we suffer we enter the unknown. When we go into the unknown our identity and expectations are challenged. In order to traverse the unknown we must let go of aspects of the identity and certain expectations to find a bearable way through. If we refuse to let go our suffering is magnified, when you are in enough pain, when everything is pain and there is no light we have two options grow increasingly bitter and depressed until we find no value in living or we can construct a new way of living, let go of our expectations about what life is supposed to feel like. We can choose to believe that there is value in living through anything, carrying what ever cross is ours to bear with honor, dignity and compassion for others. I have suffered in my life and have searched for sources of truth about how we can transform our perception and suffering into a source of light for others. When I came across Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl I wanted to hear the perspective of someone who was in possibly the worst condition a human could be put in. As a prisoner in the concentration camps in WW2 Frankl was starved and forced to work, signs in the camp said work will set you free, meaning death is your only escape. Frankl's wife had been burned to death in the incinerators along with many members of his family. Under these horrific circumstances Frankl survived physically and psychologically although he was scarred deeply he never gave up on life. He wrote his book after his rescue and the core of it is that we must find a meaning, something that is worth living for. Nietzsche said "He who has a why can live to bear almost any how."Another great conversation with embodied cognitionist Chris Davoli. Always a pleasure talking about the ways in which we create our reality that we exist in and how that is not representative of the totality of existence but a mere projection using what biology we have available to perceive the life we live. Looking forward to many more!!!!!??‍♂️?