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, from Chaos to Peace with Conny . I

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am Conny Graf and your host , and

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I will explore with you how a few

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. And with Chaos we're talking about

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the physical , digital , social , financial

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, mental , emotional and spiritual

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this conversation that I'm gonna have

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today , because today I

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welcome Teri Leigh . We

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connected on Podmatch the best

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place to find awesome guests , in my opinion

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. So Teri is a mindfulness

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coach and she says she brings the colors

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back into our life . She makes

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yoga , meditation , mindfulness

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and shamanism easy and accessible

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and , most of all , sensical to

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the average everyday modern human

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being . She says the average Jane

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and Joe who need mindfulness

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aren't going to get it because

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it doesn't make sense in their daily lives

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and they don't have the time or focus

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to do pretzel positions or sit

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there tush to the tush for

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30 minutes at a time . That's

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why she created the Mosey Method a

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series of seven body-mind breath

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exercises that each take

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30 seconds or less and can be practiced

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everywhere and anytime to reset

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our nervous system , balance

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our chakras and shift our energy

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in the moment that issues arise

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, while also having

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long-term lasting effects . So

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, Teri and I , we talk about the best

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way . She knows how to declutter our

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mind and she says that's through breathing

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how major life transitions

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are an upgrade to our chakra system

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, and what she means by that and

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why we should care . She

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also shares with us why she became

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an elder , at age 36 , and

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we talk about her journey of downsizing

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so she could manage less

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. She did that after she became an elder

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and her relationship to finances

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and material stuff changed

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. So , without further ado

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, let's jump into this awesome

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conversation with Teri Leigh . Welcome

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, Teri, I'm very excited to have you as

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a guest on my podcast . How are you today

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?

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Thank , you , Conny, it's a pleasure to be here . It's a

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beautiful day here in Minnesota , so I'm very happy

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.

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Yeah , it's beautiful . Here too , it definitely

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smells and feels like fall

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, not like summer anymore . So sniff

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, sniff , because summer is my favorite

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season , but fall is nice too . So

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you just said you are

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in Minnesota , because usually I say tell

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my audience where you live . So you

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did that already . So the second question I

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always ask is to tell us one

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thing about you that has

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nothing to do with what we're talking about

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and that might surprise people .

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Well , right now , significantly

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in my life , is a friend of

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my husband's from high school has moved in with

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us as we are taking care of him in bone

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marrow transplant . So I

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am a primary caregiver right

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now and that

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has nothing to do with my work , but it has everything

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to do with my work at the same time .

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Yeah , and I could imagine that takes up

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basically your life right now

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, right ?

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In some ways . Yes , it's a lot of hurry

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up and wait at doctor's appointments and it's

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also COVID like quarantine . So

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I've been living at home

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without getting much in the

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outside world for the last 50

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days and he has 50 days left .

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Oh gosh , yeah , okay , because of his

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immune system is weakened . Exactly

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. The bone marrow transplant makes sense

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. Yeah , but that must be hard

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.

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It's beautiful to help someone heal . Yeah

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, it is hard , but it's a beautiful process

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to help someone heal .

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Yeah , yeah , I imagine , and

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you know what I can actually make connections

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to what we're talking about after with

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this situation , but the

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audience may not yet . So

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I was just

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mentioning before . People can't see

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it now because you blurred your background , but you

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have this beautiful chakra painting

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behind you and I read somewhere

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I think it was on your website

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or no , no , no , no with somebody else who had

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you on as a guest on her podcast and

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she mentioned said that

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you have a different perspective on the chakra

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system , and I actually want to start with that

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because I think

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that that will lead us

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where I want to go with this . So how

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is your perspective different on

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the chakra system than what

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most people , if they even know what the

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chakra system is , what most people think

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?

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Well , most people describe the chakras as

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these esoteric , metaphysical

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energy balls that live in your

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system and it's all kind

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of psychic woo , woo , intuitive

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, lala land type stuff , and

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I really look at it as a much

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more practical and grounded

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perspective . I see the chakra system

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as our nervous system . So

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we have a central nervous

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system is your brain and your spinal cord

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and all the nerves that branch out

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from your spinal cord , and

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that part of your body

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, that part of your system , and how we function

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is all about all of

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your history . So every memory

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you've ever had in your whole life , everything you've

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ever done , is coded in that

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D , in that filing

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cabinet of your nervous system , as well

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as the DNA of all of your ancestors

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is coded within your nervous system

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, and so your nervous system is constantly

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drawing upon all of that information

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from your past and your ancestral

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past that's what your nervous system

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is generally and then helping you to determine

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in your body how to react

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to things as stimuli come into

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your life . The way I see the chakras

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is every time a nerve crosses

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another nerve , there's an intersection of nerves

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, there is a chakra , and

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a chakra is where the messages

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between this nerve and that nerve

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can intersect and communicate

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, and so that there

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are 72 million chakras in

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your body system . Well , there's 72

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million intersections of nerves to nerves

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. The places where

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there are the bigger intersections

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of nerves , there's seven of

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them along your brain and spinal cord , and

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those are the seven major chakras

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that our body manages

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. And then this

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is the tiniest leap I make from

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the practical of this is our physical body and

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our nervous system into somewhat

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esoteric , but not really . If you

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look at where those seven intersections

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are symbolically , what

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they govern in your life is what

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that body part is about , what

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nerves branch

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out from that intersection . So

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I won't go through all seven , but a very general

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description . Let's go with the sacral chakra

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, which lives in your hips and pelvis . So

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in your hips and pelvis is this bundle

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of nerve intersections

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, the sacral chakra , the spadestana

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, and inside your sacral

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or your hips and pelvis lives

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your reproductive system , your excretory

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system , your pee , your poop , all

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that stuff . All that stuff

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is about holding on and letting go

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At some point

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. Everything in that hip part of your

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body is to hold on to something

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until it's time to let it go . Well

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, that's what those nerves are telling your

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body to do , and it's not just

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your body , but it's your mood , it's your emotions

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, it's all the things you're dealing with . So

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when we have issues in our lives about

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hoarding or holding on or not

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being able to let go , or too much control

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or not enough control , all

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of that manifests around the sacral

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chakra . So

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we can analyze all of the seven major

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chakras and many of the not so

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major chakras by

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where they live in the body

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and what the purpose of that body part is

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, because that's what those

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nerves are processing on a very

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symbolic level . So it's a very different

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perspective , but it's also very practical

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.

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Well . So I'm wondering and

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I'm no expert on it at all , but

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I'm wondering whether it's . Yes

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, it is different , but maybe it's more

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progressive , because

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I'm thinking science is

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getting there too . Like you said

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before , that Chakras word is

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woo-woo thing and I think they were

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pushed into the woo-woo corner because

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it wasn't scientifically

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proven yet . But science came

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so far in these last

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few years , or a bit more

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than few years , because it's not common

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knowledge

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what science all does . So I come

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from the perspective and , as

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I said , I'm no expert , but I always say , like earth

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, nature doesn't make

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any mistakes . So we do have

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those . They know , it's

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scientifically proven . Now we have these

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Chakras , so nature

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doesn't make a mistake , so they're good for something

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. So and I love that you picked the

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sacral chakra , because that

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is the one , like you just said , that

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talks about holding on and letting go

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Well , to me , everything

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is connected . So if you have a lot of clutter

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in your life , you're most likely

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are me most likely , and actually

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, again , didn't test that

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scientifically , it's just a little bit of an

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experience , since I'm helping people with clutter

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you might have also digestive

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issues . You might have you might

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be constipated , because your

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whole being is

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about holding on instead

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of letting go at the right time , and

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this is what I'm always talking about . Decluttering

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to , I'm always saying like it's not about just getting

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rid of everything , becoming a minimalist . It's

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about figuring out which

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things have served

11:44

their time in your life and need to be

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let go so that you can

11:48

move forward in your life and do the things

11:50

that you want to do now . So so

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that's why I love how you . This

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is why I wanted to go into the Chakras , because I kind

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of had an inkling

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that you could go to .

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Let me give you a story from my mother

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, my grandmother , my maternal grandmother

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, as a perfect example of what you just mentioned

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. My maternal grandmother died

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in 2007 . And prior

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to 2007 , her husband died several

12:14

years before that . My grandpa died many

12:17

years before that and in the time that she

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was an old widow living alone in her

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house , all of her friends

12:23

started dying too . Because she was

12:25

an old woman . She was in her late 80s

12:28

when she died . She was older and

12:30

every person who died she

12:33

took their stuff physically . She

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took their stuff into her home

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. So over those years , her

12:39

home got more and more cluttered . She became

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a hoarder , and not

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a hoarder in the sense of everything being dirty

12:45

and ugly and trash

12:47

. She had high quality stuff and she

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had it all organized really well . It

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was beautiful stuff . It was just packed

12:54

to the gills in her house . At

12:56

the same time , my grandmother was also raised

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in a time when women were told

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you are quiet , you

13:03

do as your husband tells you . She

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didn't have bank accounts when her

13:08

husband died . Her name was not on anything

13:10

. She had to go get all

13:12

that in her name , but she kept all of

13:14

her thoughts to herself . She

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kept all of her opinions to herself

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. She stuffed

13:21

a lot of emotions . She

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just did what everyone else she was

13:26

the hostess with . The most is making everyone

13:28

else feel good , but she didn't ever express

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any of her internal

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tough feelings . So

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much to the so that when she died

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we found a copy of Emily Post's

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Manners books

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, all those rules of etiquette so

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marked up that we realized that's

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how she was living her life Totally controlled

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, totally

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controlled , and her house became a hoarding house

13:57

. Over those years she had more and more

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issues with her bouts . Yeah , makes

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total sense . She died on

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Christmas Day cooking Christmas

14:06

dinner , of a bowel obstruction

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. So literally

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she was . She

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died of holding on to her shit , and

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not just her shit but everyone else's

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shit , because she just absorbed all the pains

14:21

of everybody else . Yeah , she never talked

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about them , she just let them talk to her . Yeah

14:26

, yeah , and she held

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it all as a good

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housewife , mother , did in

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her age and stage .

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It's so painful to to think

14:37

of that Because

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, again , nature

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created this

14:44

circle where

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things come in our body to

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. You can just see it . It comes in , we eat

14:51

it and the body uses the nutrients and

14:53

then you have to let go

14:56

of of what

14:58

the body can't use and , if everything

15:01

works right , you have a bowel movement

15:04

. Today that's kind of like how

15:06

things work and yeah

15:08

, and holding on in your

15:11

body to all this

15:13

makes you very , very sick

15:15

.

15:16

Right , right . So decluttering

15:18

not just the stuff in

15:20

your world , but if you have a lot of material

15:23

, physical stuff , it's a symbol , it's

15:26

metaphoric of the emotional

15:28

stuff you're holding on into in your

15:30

hormones and in your moods

15:33

, and that will manifest also

15:35

in your body . Yeah , yeah , science

15:37

makes no mistake . You say you

15:39

want this and it's just going to manifest

15:41

everywhere , exactly .

15:44

Well , as we've been so , without right

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, exactly . As we've been

15:48

so without , and so this

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is also where , if you notice

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you have your

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constipator , you can't go to the bathroom

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, it often helps to

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see in your house , and

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so that's what I'm sometimes say

16:04

, like go see in your house , where is something

16:06

that you're actually hoarding and

16:09

I don't actually like the recording because most

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people are not hoarders , most people are just

16:13

keeping stuff because

16:15

they're not letting it go . Go

16:18

and see where is stuff that you need

16:20

to let go and start on the outside

16:22

. If it's too hard on the inside Sometimes

16:24

for some people it's too hard on the outside then they

16:26

have to start on the inside . But yeah , it's all

16:28

connected , it's really all connected

16:31

.

16:31

And you can address it from any one

16:33

of those ways , or why not address

16:35

it from all of them ? Yeah , so you

16:37

go get rid of the physical stuff , as

16:40

you physically do something to help

16:42

your body get rid of stuff , yes

16:44

, which is , take a shower , wash it off

16:46

yeah , shake it off , shake

16:49

it out that's that's really shaking

16:51

it off will make a big , huge difference

16:53

. And then you have to figure

16:55

out how to let it go out of your mind too

16:57

, yeah , and that comes with whether

17:00

it's therapy or whether you write it down and

17:02

you burn it or you get it

17:04

out of your system . That was

17:06

the problem with my grandmother she never , ever

17:09

, shared it . She never got it out of

17:11

her .

17:11

Yeah , because she was told not to and she probably

17:13

didn't shake herself either Because the shaking

17:16

part I just that reminds

17:18

me of something . I saw , an animal

17:21

documentary somewhere , and so

17:23

when an animal

17:25

, like a prey animal , gets attacked

17:27

but gets away because maybe it is

17:29

able to hide or it's able

17:32

to to pretend to be dead

17:34

, and then the predator is not interested anymore

17:36

and the danger goes

17:38

away , what they noticed

17:40

in the animal world is that the animals get

17:42

up and then they start shaking themselves and

17:45

that , and actually science looked into it

17:47

and they said that's actually where they get

17:49

this fright flight

17:51

and freeze response out

17:53

of their body . Exactly

17:55

Because they can't talk to anybody , they shake

17:58

and they said to that for us it's

18:00

really good to like

18:02

if we experienced something that startled

18:04

us or something that we maybe shake our body

18:06

afterwards . Yes , so that's that's one

18:09

thing that came to my mind . Yeah , do

18:11

you want to say something ?

18:12

Sorry , yes , because I learned

18:14

that from my dog who every

18:16

time she gets into a situation

18:18

that she's a little stressed , she does

18:20

one of two things she yawns or she

18:23

shakes . Yes , and the shake is a bigger version

18:25

of the yawn . Yeah , and the yawn she can do

18:27

in the moment , when she's still in the stress

18:29

, but the shake she can do when it's over . And

18:32

I must have read very similar

18:35

research that you were talking about in the science

18:37

, because what the system

18:39

I teach my clients I call the MOSI

18:41

method . And the MOSI method is

18:44

a body action linked

18:46

to a mindful intention or a very

18:48

simple affirmation linked to

18:50

a very specific breath . And

18:52

that's a three part approach to dealing

18:55

with changing our chakras , changing our

18:57

nervous system from one

18:59

state into a different state , whatever

19:01

state we're in it's . It's an adjusting

19:03

, getting out of that nervous

19:06

response into the calm response , or even

19:08

the other way around if you need to be more

19:10

waken up and alert . And

19:12

so the MOSI method for the sacral

19:14

chakra , which would be holding on and letting

19:17

go , is literally

19:19

shaking your body . Or if

19:21

you can't shake your whole body because you're in public

19:23

and that would be weird , you just shake your hand or

19:25

you open your hand yeah

19:28

, while you're doing a deep , focused breath

19:30

which is a breath work

19:32

technique that I teach on my programming

19:34

while you say a

19:36

very specific , fine tuned

19:38

affirmation to what it is you need

19:40

to let go in your life . And

19:43

you got to be careful to phrase that affirmation

19:45

in the right way , because if you say I let

19:47

go of blank , you're reaffirming

19:50

that thing in your brain . I

19:52

can totally see that . Yeah , so

19:54

you're , you're holding on to it more because you're

19:56

saying it again and you're saying you're

19:58

Activating it again . So you have

20:01

to find what it is you want to

20:03

focus on right Receive

20:06

as a result of the releasing , because

20:09

you can't really bring new things into your

20:11

life unless you let go of Something

20:14

that's taking up that space .

20:15

Some people can , but then that's where the house

20:18

fills , where the body fills , where the mind

20:20

fills . Yeah , no , I want to say

20:22

so , the one with the

20:24

shaking too . I just remembered when

20:26

you , when you said about shaking the hand

20:28

. I'm originally from Switzerland

20:30

and I know like our reaction

20:33

, for example , in Switzerland I don't know whether I haven't

20:36

paid attention , whether it's the same here . So

20:38

when we Just

20:40

experienced maybe some little bit Well

20:42

, it doesn't have to be danger , but it could just

20:44

be a little bit of a Higher

20:47

energy situation we often

20:49

say , oh my god , and shake our hand . Oh my god

20:51

, that was , that was wild , you know , and

20:54

and we do this automatically

20:56

. So I haven't paid attention

20:58

whether they do this here too , but in Switzerland that's very

21:01

common . You shake your hands , or both hands , you know , oh

21:03

my god , you know , like this , and

21:05

and that's probably Because

21:07

we intrinsically know that this

21:09

helps to to get rid of it . And

21:12

the other thing I wanted to say you , because you may

21:14

mention that your grandma lived by that book

21:16

, which I forgot what it was called , but by

21:18

all these rules , and that

21:20

would have probably been very inappropriate to

21:23

shake Ourselves or even shake the hand

21:25

and also the yawning , so

21:27

all the things that actually would

21:29

Help her or

21:31

us in general with a situation

21:34

like this or in our society

21:36

, front or not

21:39

, proper , right or Right according

21:41

to right books , which I know

21:43

now it starts a bit to change . We loosen

21:45

up a bit , lucky .

21:47

But but you're right , it

21:49

is so in intrinsic

21:51

and indigenous in

21:54

our Mindset , somewhere

21:56

in our ancestry . Our ancestors knew to

21:58

do this stuff and it's still in

22:00

there . It's still in our nerves , yeah , and

22:02

our DNA to know to do this stuff . And it shows

22:04

up everywhere . I mean , I watch TV

22:06

and I can see examples

22:09

of People shaking it off

22:11

and TV all the time .

22:12

Yeah , we say that right in our

22:15

language . We even say that when , when something

22:17

happens and we want to move on from it

22:19

, I have to shake this off , have to shake . We even

22:21

say right , right to use the language yeah

22:24

, but mess .

22:25

But we don't necessarily physically do the

22:27

check exactly , however . A great example

22:29

in the early seasons of Grey's Anatomy

22:31

when Christina the

22:34

two main characters , christina and Meredith

22:36

would have a bad day , they would say , let's dance

22:38

it out , yeah , and they would play

22:40

, or the music and they would just dance , and that's

22:42

how they would let go of their day , or whatever it

22:44

is that they were stressed about . Yeah , by

22:46

moving your . And that's why so many people

22:48

say physical exercise yeah

22:50

, if you get stuck in your head , go for

22:52

a walk , mm-hmm , well , that movement

22:55

will shake things out , shake it off

22:57

, get rid of whatever is getting stuck

22:59

, because movement does that yeah yeah

23:02

, I want to before we move on , because

23:04

I I have , so I can

23:06

see so many ways we can go .

23:08

But I want to go to one more thing real quick

23:10

about the chakras , because I'll know . On

23:12

your website I read and I'm very curious

23:14

about that on the web , on your website , I

23:16

read major life transitions , which

23:18

, for example , is when your friends die , when your husband

23:21

die , when Anything like that

23:23

, or an upgrade to your chakra

23:25

system , and I wanted to know why

23:27

that is an upgrade . So this is my curiosity

23:30

and I just hope my listeners are interested

23:32

in that too .

23:33

But if

23:35

Our chakra system

23:38

, our nervous system , is our electrical

23:40

wiring within our bodies right , very

23:43

much like the motherboard and the electrical

23:45

wiring of a computer system , and

23:48

when we overload it

23:50

, when there's too much going

23:52

on , just like in our computer , when

23:54

you've You've installed way too many applications

23:57

, you've got too way too many things going and you've got

23:59

to upgrade the computer , you've got to upgrade

24:01

the software to be able to handle all the things

24:03

you're doing Mm-hmm . That's an

24:06

upgrade . Same thing happens with the chakra

24:08

system . When you go through a major life change

24:10

that's a major overwhelm

24:12

of nervous system responses Mm-hmm

24:15

. And your chakra system then

24:17

your nervous system has to reboot itself

24:19

Mm-hmm . And that's why you go through

24:21

. Whether it's a grief of a loss or

24:24

moving your home or

24:26

Changing your career

24:28

, changing your job or even having a baby

24:30

, any major life event is

24:32

going to have many new Stimuliant

24:36

systems that have to go through your nervous

24:38

system and it has to go through this . So

24:40

you need to upgrade . But in that

24:42

process of upgrade everything kind of has to

24:44

shake up for a bit , just like when

24:46

you install new software on your computer system

24:48

. You have to , you

24:50

have to install it and then the computer

24:53

shuts down and Then

24:55

it restarts itself . And when it restarts

24:57

itself , it takes a while to implement

25:00

everything , and then it takes you a while to figure

25:02

out how to use everything . The

25:04

same thing happens with your chakra system .

25:06

Yeah , okay . So now I understand , because in

25:09

my experience , people also often start

25:11

Accumulating

25:15

clutter , let's say like that , when they are

25:18

, or just after , a major life transition

25:20

, because they're they , they're

25:22

not willing to go with

25:25

what life presents . They're

25:27

clinging on their old life like

25:29

and and I even say sometimes it doesn't

25:31

always have to be something from the outside

25:33

in post on you . It could be even something you chose

25:36

, like a new job or a new like

25:38

you move or baby child or or

25:41

you know . So these are

25:43

things that you chose , but

25:45

then all of a sudden you , you

25:47

, you have a hard time

25:49

adjusting to the new life , so then you cling

25:51

on to the old life , and that's

25:54

probably also then where the chakra system

25:56

gets a bit clogged up , because you're not properly

25:58

. I

26:01

don't want to say properly . Maybe

26:03

you don't know yet how to to deal

26:05

with it and with the upgrade that you just

26:07

said . Yeah , right , it's much

26:09

like whether you go into much like Adding

26:13

all these applications to your computer

26:15

.

26:15

When you don't upgrade , then the computer

26:18

gets sluggish and it doesn't work as well

26:20

. Same thing happens when we

26:22

have these major life issues and

26:24

you don't upgrade , you

26:26

don't take a new perspective , you don't take

26:28

this new normal and

26:30

Change your world and your inner

26:32

world as much as your outer world . Your

26:35

whole world will get sluggish , yeah

26:37

, and so your chakras . You need

26:39

to readjust how your nervous

26:41

system functions anytime you have a major

26:43

life event .

26:44

Yeah , and see , this is . I

26:47

love this conversation we're having , Teri , because this

26:49

is exactly when I always say

26:51

there's so much more to clutter

26:53

than you think . And then I'm talking about

26:55

, like I talked before , about our digestive

26:57

system and how , when you can't go to the bathroom

27:00

, then look on your outside

27:03

and or look in your inside

27:05

, in your emotions and in your thoughts , because

27:07

everything is connected and people are sometimes

27:10

surprised oh , I never thought of it that way . Well

27:12

, yes , that's the problem

27:14

of our society . We , we've we

27:17

we got trained

27:20

to not think this way . I think in the old

27:22

and this is gonna go over to what I want

27:24

to talk with you next , because I think in

27:26

the old days we were more Still

27:30

in the know how these things are connected

27:33

. And then , not to Bash

27:37

science , but then kind of science came in

27:39

, and then everything that wasn't scientifically proven

27:41

and you can't , or we cannot , or

27:44

could for a long time not prove

27:46

Chakras or how everything

27:48

is connected then it was just put

27:50

into the corner of woo-woo you

27:53

know but any say . Some

27:55

people say , wait , I can't see it , then

27:57

it can't be real . Well , you can't see if

27:59

you love your spouse , you can't see the love

28:01

either , but it's still there , right

28:04

, and so so what where

28:06

I want to go with ? I read to that

28:09

you wanted to become an elder

28:11

at age 36 and

28:13

you were on this process of , and

28:15

you , I read , I think was on your Instagram

28:18

that you now slowly feel like you're Becoming

28:20

an elder . That was a long Journey

28:22

, but what I wanted to ask you about is did

28:26

you Was

28:28

in that process you learned more

28:30

about how we were in the old

28:33

days , more Connected with our body

28:35

, to the environment , with our thoughts

28:37

and the environment , with our emotions

28:39

, and the thoughts and the body and the environment All

28:41

these things did that help ? Yes , yeah

28:44

, we'd have thought so .

28:46

That's a good big question and a

28:48

long answer . Go away

28:51

. When I was in my 30s I met

28:53

an African shaman . So I got . I met

28:56

this man who was very Interested

29:00

in the chakra system in a very different

29:02

way than I did . What happened was I showed

29:04

up to one of his lectures . My first

29:06

husband and my mother decided to go to this lecture

29:08

and they said they dragged me along . And the

29:11

very first thing he said is I

29:13

read my . I can read auras and chakras

29:15

. And I'm like whoa , that's someone

29:18

else who does what I do . And then he said

29:20

I didn't study in college because I could read

29:22

the answers in my teachers chakras and auras

29:24

and I was like I got a study

29:26

with this guy . Turns out he's an African

29:29

shaman from Burkina Faso who grew

29:31

up in the bush , in a tribe in

29:34

Africa when they live

29:36

in indigenous ways Very

29:38

connected to , like you said , the

29:40

environment , very connected to the laws of

29:42

nature . And so I spent

29:45

six years studying with him where he immersed

29:47

me in the laws of nature , spent

29:51

six years where he took me into

29:53

the soil and the earth and understanding

29:55

how earth is Part of who

29:57

we are , how water is part of who

29:59

we are all the natural elements and

30:02

engage with all that , and what I came

30:04

to understand is for every chakra there

30:06

is also a symbolic element

30:09

of nature . So , going back to the sacral

30:11

chakra , the sacral chakra is holding

30:13

on and letting go . The sacral chakra is

30:15

water , because

30:18

it is about the flow of life and the flow

30:20

of things . Things come and go , just like water

30:22

is . Has this water cycle

30:25

of it evaporates , it gathers

30:27

into a cloud , it rains , accumulates

30:29

into a lake or an ocean and then it evaporates

30:31

. It's a whole flow cycle . And

30:34

so I learned with him for several years

30:36

and then he invited me . He

30:38

watched all his students and he he was

30:40

doing an elder initiation in the same way

30:43

that he , his tribe , did , just

30:45

for everyone in his tribe . He invited

30:47

certain white Americans

30:49

to be part of this process and

30:52

I was the youngest . I was 36 and

30:54

I was the youngest female of

30:56

the tribe to ever go through these initiatory

30:59

rights . And Even

31:01

though it was a month long Process

31:04

with him , where we spent a whole month in

31:07

the woods , living according

31:09

to the ways that his tribe would have us

31:11

live and doing these deep

31:13

Shamanic rituals

31:15

, it started an intense

31:18

, I would say ten-year process

31:20

of me really evolving

31:22

in my life into eldership

31:25

and most , I

31:27

think , as I Studied this and

31:29

studied what eldership means

31:31

in other cultures and what eldership means in

31:33

our culture and just the concept of eldership

31:36

, I Think all modern

31:38

people hit some stage of eldership

31:41

through the natural life cycle . For

31:43

women , it's very common to be through

31:45

menopause . Well , if you look

31:47

at menopause , it's usually about

31:49

a ten-year process , the

31:52

pyramid , the first onset of symptoms

31:54

, until you finish the full

31:56

Set of symptoms and you are

31:58

completely done with the menopausal

32:01

stages . It's about ten

32:03

years . Well , that's about what I went through

32:05

, from 36 to about 46 , 47

32:08

. Mm-hmm and that

32:10

was a whole like ten-year process

32:13

of upgrading my chakra system . Yeah

32:15

, in very intense ways . And I

32:18

just recently turned 50 , which is more

32:21

acceptable and elder age in

32:23

our culture yeah . So when I turned

32:25

50 I could say , okay , now I'm an elder

32:27

, even though I was at 36 In

32:30

the shamanic indigenous woo woo

32:32

way . Yeah . Yeah , now

32:35

, as I'm in that stage of Permanopause

32:38

and people see wrinkles and a little bit of gray

32:40

hair , they can believe me as an elder

32:42

and I've already completed the ten

32:44

years , yeah , of the spiritual

32:47

, emotional , mental , not

32:50

quite physical , but more of

32:52

all , those other aspects of my life are

32:54

eldership .

32:55

Yeah but I think this is also again

32:57

like maybe a misconception

32:59

of the Sometimes

33:02

ignorant society that you have to

33:04

be old , and I agree , some life

33:06

experience help , but Buddhism comes

33:08

to my mind , where they actually take little

33:10

kids and say this is the next Dalai

33:13

Lama , right , yeah , he's

33:15

four years old and we see it already he

33:17

is , he is and he is , at four years

33:19

old , already an elder . The

33:21

other thing that came to my mind is , from

33:24

our physical and just

33:27

Worldly perspective

33:29

, we

33:31

as not just women in

33:33

general humans Enter

33:37

the third stage of our life , which you

33:39

could call elder , when we have

33:41

our second Saturn return , which comes from

33:43

astrology , and the Saturn return every

33:45

29 and a half years , or sometimes it's

33:47

29 . Someone , some , it depends a bit , it's

33:49

not . It's not mathematics . The

33:53

melody , not always exact

33:55

. So about that

33:57

29 , 30

33:59

, you have the first major

34:01

life transition . To get back to my life transitions

34:04

, where you become from a Young

34:07

person to an adult , a real

34:09

adult , right , and then the second one

34:12

is around between 58 and 60 , and this is then the

34:14

second Saturn return where , and then

34:17

you become definitely

34:20

an elder , also by

34:22

my age

34:24

and whatever . So yeah right

34:26

. It's really interesting because you're

34:28

it was interesting to read about how

34:31

you became an elder and and you say

34:33

in in one of your posts , you say to

34:35

when . When I became an elder

34:38

, my relationship to finances and material stuff this was kind

34:40

of like Ding

34:44

ding . Material stuff changed as

34:46

I was thinking about downsizing

34:48

so I can manage less , and this is also what a lot of

34:50

people Forget the

34:52

more stuff you have , the more stuff you have

34:54

to manage . I'm

34:58

like , yeah , then just let go of some stuff . So

35:00

Tell us just because this is a podcast

35:02

about how to change the

35:04

relationship with our stuff and downsizing and I

35:06

actually also bring finances in it so

35:10

what did you do practically ? Did

35:12

you declutter your life like out of

35:14

physical things ?

35:15

or I'm

35:18

gonna get a little psychic woo-woo here in the next video process

35:20

with my shaman teacher , that month-long

35:23

initiative , all the rights he did for us

35:25

there were 13 of us

35:27

that he put this through and all

35:30

of us had , like

35:34

I said , the major upgrade of our

35:36

systems , in that we had major life changes

35:38

in probably four out of five major areas of

35:41

our lives . It's like

35:43

whatever he did in his life Caused

35:46

everything else in our worlds to

35:48

go crazy for a while . Yeah , so

35:52

like of those 13 , a couple actually died , but they were also in their

35:55

80s already . But

36:00

many of them lost their partners , their romantic or spouse partners

36:03

many of them lost their

36:05

homes or their careers . You know those

36:08

kinds of major shifts For

36:14

me . I lost my spouse and I lost my home

36:16

and my career . All took a dive

36:18

, all within a couple of months . Talk

36:21

about an upgrade . It's like whoa , like it's

36:24

he'd warned

36:26

us . He's like you're taking the blue pill . You're

36:30

not staying in the matrix . You are taking the blue

36:32

pill where you're gonna

36:34

see lights out . And you're gonna see the lights out , the matrix

36:36

. You are taking the blue pill where you're gonna see

36:38

life is gonna shake up . And

36:41

so my husband

36:43

at that time actually got somewhat

36:45

abusive and I had

36:47

to leave . And I had to leave in terms

36:49

of packing up my car and going , and

36:52

I didn't make enough money to

36:54

get myself a new place , so I

36:56

lived out of my car and

36:59

so I lost both my husband in my home

37:01

. And in losing my husband in my home

37:03

, I lost a lot of my stuff . I

37:05

had to learn how to live out of a car

37:07

yeah , and in that process

37:10

I didn't just learn how to live out of a car

37:12

. I learned how to not be attached to stuff

37:14

, because there's nothing like

37:16

not being attached to stuff

37:18

when you can't fit it in a car . Yeah

37:20

, I had to decide this

37:22

doesn't fit . What was important , it was me

37:24

and my dog and some clothes , yeah

37:27

, and the dog food you

37:29

know , and

37:31

it's so hard because you're

37:33

forced then in a situation

37:35

like this .

37:37

And it's interesting because I

37:40

know of someone who had to leave

37:42

her home because it was flooded . Everything

37:46

was not flooded like from the outside , it was

37:48

some pipe burst and everything

37:50

was under water and I think it

37:52

was sewer water , so it was not very

37:54

lovely , so you couldn't even dry

37:57

the stuff and keep it again . So she lost that way

37:59

everything , and she said the same thing . I just learned

38:01

to move on

38:03

and it's so interesting because so

38:05

many people cling to their stuff

38:07

but actually

38:12

when you could let it go

38:14

like , especially stuff that you really

38:16

don't use , don't like and whatever

38:18

and is from your past , you could let go

38:20

and get to an upgrade

38:23

in your chakra system without having to go

38:25

through the trauma of losing everything

38:27

, which is really really hard

38:29

, I

38:32

would imagine and freeing .

38:33

Freeing , freeing and I

38:35

don't think I would have reached

38:37

the level of nonattachment that

38:40

I have now if I hadn't gone through

38:42

that . There

38:44

is a freedom that came from . I

38:47

didn't have a choice to go back , and

38:51

I think that happens to people on

38:53

some level in

38:55

major life , things that occur

38:58

, that this is happening

39:00

to me and I can't do anything

39:02

about it . So I have to adjust . But

39:05

if you're choosing it and

39:07

you can go back , you're not likely

39:10

to really make that shift . Yes

39:12

, and I did choose to become

39:14

an elder , but I didn't choose for my husband to leave

39:16

me .

39:17

Yeah .

39:18

I'm not the house , but my shaman teacher told me

39:20

this could happen . Yeah , and

39:22

I was like I'm all in , I don't care what happens , I

39:25

want this .

39:26

Yeah , yeah , but

39:28

still I would think so , because I I

39:30

noticed there's like a lot of the generations that

39:32

went through war and they lost maybe their

39:34

everything or they had nothing , and they

39:37

often cling to stuff . So I think you

39:39

have two ways to go . After a traumatic

39:41

event like this , you either become even

39:44

more a clinger or

39:46

you you are really not

39:48

attached to your things afterwards

39:50

. Right , maybe the reason

39:53

why you are not a

39:55

more more a clinger now because

39:57

you lost already once everything , so now

39:59

you need to cling on to everything was because you

40:01

were in a process of also

40:03

being guided by somebody

40:05

and you were in a conscious process

40:07

. It was not just you were not just like living

40:10

your life oblivious to anything . Everything

40:13

is connected . And then all of a sudden this happens

40:15

and your reaction is oh my God

40:17

, now I have to cling even more .

40:19

Exactly , exactly . I made

40:22

the choice and I had

40:24

a mentor to walk me through

40:26

it . Yes , I consciously

40:29

knew as it was happening . Oh , this

40:31

is part of that process . Yes , so

40:33

I was very mindful of the spiritual evolution

40:35

I was going through . Now let's look back

40:37

at my grandmother . Her husband

40:40

died . She had no choice about

40:42

that and she did not make

40:44

a spiritual conscious choice to evolve

40:46

. From that , she actually clung

40:49

more . She lost

40:51

the one thing that was the supporter

40:53

of her life and she clung more to everything

40:55

, and

40:58

that resulted in bowel obstruction . Yeah

41:00

, now we have no idea how we're

41:02

going to die . I don't know what's going to happen

41:04

in my future , but right now I know . And

41:07

what's interesting is I now live in

41:10

a three bedroom house that I own . I have

41:12

more stuff and

41:14

I am not attached to

41:16

that stuff . I'm happy

41:19

it's here , I enjoy it , and if the house were

41:21

to go up in a fire tomorrow , I

41:23

could figure it out . I could

41:25

be okay and

41:27

I think that's exactly what you were saying , Conny is

41:30

that it's about being mindful , it's about

41:32

choosing the spiritual evolution in

41:35

your heart and your soul and even though

41:37

it's hard , this major , hard

41:39

life experience , you've got

41:41

to shut down that computer system , reset

41:44

it and let it reload , otherwise

41:46

it'll get too cluttered .

41:50

And I think it's also important what you tell yourself

41:52

then , because you just said something . You

41:54

said I had a mentor , I had a guide and

41:57

I knew this was part of the process

41:59

. So then you can tell

42:01

as hard as it probably was

42:03

, you can at least say , okay , this is part

42:05

of the process , nothing went wrong

42:07

. What other people tell themselves

42:09

then is oh , this is wrong , this is wrong , this

42:12

shouldn't happen this way . And the more we say

42:14

that , the more our subconscious

42:17

probably starts to freeze or

42:19

to get tense Everybody

42:22

who gets tense very easy . So I always

42:24

right away know , okay , something is going wrong

42:27

and I'm thinking because I'm getting

42:29

tense . And

42:32

so I want to go back to what you said earlier

42:34

about the , because

42:37

you said to me the best way you know

42:39

how to declutter your mind is through breathing . And

42:41

you talked about your Mosey technique

42:44

and about

42:46

the affirmations and how words are important

42:48

. I don't know what you want to say . A little bit more to

42:51

that , because this is what came to my mind

42:53

If you know it's part of the process , you can

42:55

always say yes , it's not supposed

42:57

to be easy , this is part of the process , nothing

43:00

went wrong , not making the

43:02

outside events easier . But

43:04

it makes it easier for yourself because you're not

43:06

telling yourself , on top of it , all this

43:08

stuff that weighs you down

43:10

and tenses you up , right .

43:12

Yeah , my shaman teacher . His

43:14

name was Malodoma Sumay and he

43:17

died a couple of years ago . But he used to say and

43:19

this was a line from his tribe there is no

43:22

right or wrong , only right or left Do

43:24

you want right or do you want left ? Yes , you

43:27

choose your path . It's like those memes

43:29

going around choose your hard . Marriage

43:32

is hard , divorce is hard . Choose your hard , choose

43:34

your hard .

43:35

I love that because the hard , then is the evolution

43:38

. Yeah , because it

43:40

also is like so I study

43:42

astrology for so many years and there

43:44

is some people that say , oh , is this

43:46

a good sign , or is that a bad sign , like

43:49

a sun sign or whatever . And just

43:51

yesterday somebody in a group said , oh

43:54

, is it bad when the sun squares ? Pluto

43:56

, or whatever . You don't need to understand astrology

43:59

at all . I just want to say there is

44:01

no good or bad , it just there is

44:03

, and some things are more challenging

44:05

and other things are a little bit easier

44:07

, but that doesn't make them good or bad

44:10

. And the interesting thing is , too , is like if

44:12

you have it too easy , what everybody

44:15

wants everybody wants to be too easy you're

44:18

not evolving in your life , right

44:20

, and this is , I think , too , why in

44:22

initiations , you go through challenges

44:25

. Not everybody has to go through something

44:28

like you did , but any initiation

44:30

that or any tests

44:33

that we're getting , it's not supposed to be easy

44:35

, it's supposed to be challenging , right . And

44:37

so if we can come away from

44:40

this oh this is bad to oh

44:42

, this is challenging , I think this is already

44:44

an elevation

44:46

of thinking compared to good

44:49

and bad .

44:50

Yeah . So going back to the Mosey

44:52

method , which is how I work with

44:54

my clients , and it's obvious now what

44:56

I do is I'm an elder who helps people

44:58

through their major life crises

45:00

. Yes , to upgrade their systems

45:03

rather than submit

45:05

to more clutter in their life . Yeah . And

45:08

I created the Mosey method as the way

45:10

I walk my clients through this , because

45:12

I can't take people through the deep rituals

45:15

that my shaman did . It's not feasible

45:17

, it's not practical and I can't reach

45:19

as many people as I'd like to . But

45:21

the Mosey method is a mind , body

45:24

, spirit approach , which we've

45:26

talked about , that you can shake your body to

45:28

let go of stuff . You can say

45:30

the clear , specific affirmation

45:32

about releasing and what you want to receive

45:34

as a result , or you can breathe

45:36

. Well , the mind is the affirmation

45:39

, the intention , the shaking your body

45:41

is the body or the physical action

45:43

, and the breath is the spirit . And when

45:45

you put all three of those together mind

45:49

, body , spirit , three active

45:51

things you do at the same time it

45:53

only takes 30 seconds , maybe even 10

45:55

seconds , to shake and

45:58

think and breathe . Mm-hmm . For

46:01

five deep breaths . It's 30 seconds . But

46:03

in that 30 seconds you're re-tuning

46:05

, you're realigning , you're smoothing

46:08

and changing how your nervous system works

46:10

Mm-hmm . And the way that

46:12

our nervous system and our brain functions

46:14

best is not by a major shift

46:17

, like I went through in the initiation

46:19

and then having

46:22

to adjust to all that . The best way to train

46:24

your nervous system Into a new way

46:26

of being is with little tiny habits

46:29

that you do all the time to make it your

46:31

norm . Yeah , and so I

46:33

teach people these Mosey method exercises

46:35

, one for each seven chakra

46:37

. Mm-hmm one for each of the seven

46:39

chakras , and then I also give specific

46:42

personalized ones to whatever Major

46:44

life issue they're dealing with and I help

46:46

them fine tune those affirmations . Yeah

46:49

, but giving them those exercises

46:51

of do this body action , shake

46:54

to let it go , say this thought

46:56

in your head or say it out loud as you

46:58

do these very specific three deep breaths

47:00

, because the breath changes everything

47:03

instantaneously yeah

47:05

and one of the things I was thinking

47:07

about before coming on your Podcast

47:10

today was the concept how

47:12

many people take ten

47:14

deep , conscious breaths ten

47:16

times a day ? Yeah

47:18

if people did that . I

47:21

mean , I'm not even good at that and I'm teaching

47:23

it you know , I do Probably

47:26

at least five times a day . Stop and do ten

47:28

deep breaths as part of my normal

47:31

life , and that is what

47:33

got me through the

47:35

worst of . I lost my husband

47:37

, I lost my home , I lost my career , blah

47:39

, blah , blah , blah . Yeah

47:42

it was doing those little

47:44

things all day long and then just making

47:46

that part of my normal life .

47:49

Exactly . That's why I say a few minutes

47:51

a day keeps the chaos away . It works in so many different areas , not

47:54

just with clutter , it works with well . To

47:58

me again , clutter is so much more than just the physical things . It's

48:03

it . It also brings you to the now

48:05

, right ? So many people are always saying like , oh , time flies and this

48:07

and that , and if you're actually Sitting just 30 seconds sitting here

48:10

and are breathing consciously , you're

48:15

actually in the now , and the more you do that during the day , that doesn't

48:17

cost you , that you can still be

48:19

productive , you can still serve your clients

48:21

, you can still do all the things that you want

48:23

to do . But

48:26

you have these little launch pads or little check-in moments

48:32

with you where you are actually in the now , and so I love that . What

48:34

you're saying when you do

48:36

that ?

48:37

You're saying when you do them , they

48:39

make you more productive and more efficient

48:42

. Yeah , afterwards , yes

48:44

, if you don't do them , things pile up

48:46

and pile up and it's harder for you to organize

48:48

. And , yeah , we threw all that stuff

48:50

. But if you stop , we're

48:52

the clutter by breathing . Yeah

48:54

, and it's this simple . The reason

48:56

we need that is breathing . In

48:59

the periodic table of elements , back

49:01

to science , oxygen

49:03

is a large atom . It's

49:05

very , very large , and so when you

49:07

breathe in a way that clears

49:10

most of the other stuff off of your air

49:12

and you get more oxygen than you do other

49:14

stuff , that oxygen going

49:16

into your lungs , goes into your bloodstream

49:18

, goes into your nervous system and it's so big

49:21

it says I don't have room for this

49:23

other crap and it pushes the other crap

49:25

out .

49:25

Yeah , yeah , oh , I love that .

49:27

It's like the oxygen is so smart , it

49:29

decides this is important to stay

49:32

, but you got to go , yeah , and

49:34

what it does is oxygen is also

49:36

the stickiest , so

49:38

it likes to attract to other Molecules

49:41

and other atoms . So it says , oh

49:44

, I'm huge , you don't

49:46

belong here . So I'm gonna take you out of here , I'm

49:49

gonna attach you to me and go put

49:51

you somewhere else . The breathing

49:53

is so vital because it literally

49:55

changes our chemistry on the

49:58

molecular cellular level . Hmm

50:00

.

50:01

The sad part is we have to tell this

50:03

to people that breathing is important , even though

50:06

we all know if we stop breathing for

50:08

, let's say , three minutes , we're no

50:10

more . All right , so right .

50:12

Right , I actually . Today

50:14

I got a . I was a friend

50:17

of mine sent me a Facebook message . She

50:19

said oh , you'll love this and it was a two-minute

50:21

video . This , the caption

50:23

, just said take two minutes and

50:25

look at the sunflowers , mm-hmm . And

50:28

it was a two-minute video of sunflowers

50:30

in South Dakota , with the sound

50:32

, the natural sounds of the crickets and the wind , mm-hmm

50:35

, and zooming into

50:37

the little bugs and zooming into the

50:39

worlds and the Birds

50:42

eating the flowers . And I just

50:44

sat there for two minutes and did 20

50:46

deep breath . Yeah , yeah , and

50:48

everything from else in the day just

50:50

went away for that two minutes and then the

50:52

time after that , everything

50:55

I was doing became easier .

50:57

Yeah , I bet , Teri

51:00

, I could talk with you forever , but we have to be a little

51:02

bit mindful of maybe we do a part

51:04

time , sometime in the future

51:06

, but let's so . I will link

51:08

all the Like your

51:10

website and everything in the show notes , but you

51:12

have us preferred way or

51:14

preferred . How

51:16

do you say that I can't ? I started the sentence

51:19

wrong . Where should we send

51:21

the listeners if they're interested

51:23

? Where would you want me to send them what

51:26

? What is like my home page is ?

51:28

the best . Okay , com , yeah

51:30

, okay , yes , or you could do chakras , coach

51:32

calm , it goes to the same place .

51:35

Okay , I will put that in the show notes . Now

51:37

, last question , back

51:39

to the chakras . I read that you

51:41

said you have a dominant throat

51:44

, chakra , and you have a lot to

51:46

say . So what is

51:48

the question I didn't ask

51:50

you that you wanted to talk

51:52

about . You have five more minutes

51:54

to talk about that , oh .

51:58

Oh , I Think you got

52:00

it all , not all . I mean

52:02

we could talk for hours , but yeah

52:04

, I mean I can teach and teach and teach for

52:06

hours , but I , what I do

52:08

best in my teaching is I receive , so

52:10

I listen , and Then , as

52:12

I listen , I hear what you need and then

52:14

I know how to communicate back . Yeah , and

52:17

that's actually a natural way of communicating

52:19

. So I can't think of a question you

52:21

didn't ask , because we had just

52:23

a beautiful , delightful , intelligent

52:25

and needy and Esoteric

52:28

and everything conversation . I really enjoyed talking

52:31

with you today , Conny .

52:32

Yeah , thank you so much for your time , Teri , and , like

52:35

I said , I really enjoyed it . I I'm actually

52:37

feeling sad to have to start

52:39

winding down , but we

52:41

might do a second part . I really love

52:43

what you're doing . It fits like a

52:45

glove to what I'm talking and you

52:47

just come from a different angle and saying basically

52:49

the same things .

52:50

So yeah , we could probably

52:52

do a second episode on dominant

52:55

chakras and how they work with and against

52:57

our lives .

52:58

Yeah , awesome , let's keep

53:00

that on the running list

53:02

. Okay , yeah , okay . Thanks so

53:04

much , Teri , for your time .

53:06

I appreciate your kind .

53:13

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53:15

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53:18

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53:20

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