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Welcome to my podcast from

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Chaos to Peace with Conny . I

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am Conny Graf and your host , and

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I will explore with you how a few

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minutes a day can keep the chaos away

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. And with chaos we're talking about

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the physical , digital , social , financial

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, mental , emotional and spiritual

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clutter that can accumulate in our

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life and business . In

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every episode , I want to make you

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aware how clutter is so

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much more than you think , how it affects

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your finances and how clearing

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your clutter leads to more time , more

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money and more peace . Let's

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go . Well

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. Hello , my friend . Welcome

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to the podcast . I am Conny

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Graf , your host . Thank you so much for

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having me back into your ears . I'm

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very excited to welcome Evans

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Putman as a guest today , today

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and next time . Actually , Evans

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is the founder of podcast profit

1:02

school and he's also the creator

1:04

of the podcast ATM business model

1:06

, infinite Impact Method and

1:09

the Surfpreneur Blueprint . And

1:11

get this . His trainings are licensed

1:13

by and featured in ClickFunnels

1:16

founder Russell Branson's high-ticket

1:18

coaching programs . Evans

1:21

is on a mission to help entrepreneurs

1:24

like us to build purpose-driven , profitable

1:26

businesses , create more

1:28

time freedom and create infinite

1:31

positive impact to change

1:33

lives . We had

1:35

such a rich conversation that I decided for

1:37

the first time to make a two-part

1:39

series out of this interview . Today

1:42

you're gonna hear part one , but

1:44

then make sure you're subscribed and follow the

1:47

podcast so you don't miss out on part

1:49

two that comes out next week . So

1:52

here , in part one , Evans

1:54

talks about why he had to step

1:57

away from a successful business

1:59

, which he calls was chaos

2:01

back then , to focus more on himself and

2:04

to be a better father , husband and human

2:06

, which he considers peace

2:09

. He shares the steps he took

2:11

to make this change

2:13

happen , and the first

2:15

step after starting his

2:17

new life might surprise you , but he

2:20

calls it very critical . In

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part two next week , Evans will talk about

2:25

how this new found peace brought even

2:27

more success to him and his business , why

2:30

to ask for help is important for your business

2:32

, and when and how he gets

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ideas for his programs

2:36

, like the podcast profit

2:38

school . Also , what the biggest

2:41

mistake podcasting entrepreneurs

2:43

make when it comes to growing their audience

2:45

. But , like I said first

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, we're listening to part one today

2:50

, so without further ado , let's

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jump into this conversation

2:54

with Evans Putman . Welcome

3:01

, Evans , I'm really excited to have you as a guest

3:03

on my podcast . How are you today

3:05

?

3:07

I'm great , Conny , thank you for having me grateful

3:09

for the opportunity to come on in and

3:11

share and serve your audience .

3:13

Yeah , well , I'm very excited for you

3:16

to come and share . So

3:18

first I always ask , because I have

3:20

an international audience where in

3:22

the world are you located for my people

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? And also tell

3:27

us one thing about you that has nothing

3:29

to do with what we're talking afterwards , like

3:31

something surprising , or something maybe

3:35

less surprising for the people who know you , but surprising

3:37

for the listeners

3:40

in context of what

3:42

we're talking about afterwards .

3:45

Okay , well , I'm

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in Charleston , south Carolina , down

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by the one of the older cities

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in the US , very beautiful place

3:54

to live , near the ocean , lots

3:56

of history , lots of great food , lots of

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museums , lots of art

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and , yeah , it's a beautiful

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place to live , beautiful place to visit . If

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anybody wants to come visit , they can

4:06

always they'll know how to get in touch with me

4:08

right reach out to me . I'll give you some restaurant

4:11

restaurant recommendations or something .

4:13

That's always good .

4:15

And I guess you know this is sort

4:17

of most people in

4:19

the online space don't really know everything

4:22

about my future , or my future or

4:24

my future or my past ?

4:26

How much do you know about my future ?

4:28

I know . Right , let me tell you . I

4:32

would say one thing that's interesting

4:35

is that you know and this

4:37

is like in the early 90s I

4:39

before we had too

4:41

much access to internet and you

4:43

know all kind of knew basically anything

4:46

and everything we wanted to know with

4:48

the flip of a switch , I packed

4:50

up everything I owned into my little car

4:52

and left the east

4:54

coast of the US and drove all the way

4:56

across the country to go

4:59

to live in Los Angeles , california

5:02

, and I worked at a record company

5:05

and actually had a hair

5:07

down to my

5:10

past , my shoulders , to the middle of my back

5:12

, and worked with a rock and worked with

5:15

a heavy metal band and worked in

5:17

a record label called

5:19

metal blade records in Ventura

5:22

, california . So that was a

5:24

fine period of my life . That

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is that I look back on now

5:28

and I reflect on some of the stuff that you

5:30

, you know the

5:33

courage to actually do . That reminds

5:35

me of the entrepreneurial journey , for many

5:37

of your listeners probably are people who are

5:39

like , sort of like . They have this feeling

5:41

, this calling to do something . It's like you know

5:43

what . Just go for it . It didn't turn

5:45

out the way I expected

5:48

, but it turned out the way it was supposed to and

5:50

I came back safe and sound . And

5:53

then , you know , at

5:55

some point I ended up like I think I left

5:57

all my hair in California .

5:59

I just wanted to say , for all the people

6:01

that are only listening , he

6:04

has a lot of hair

6:06

right now , so you must have lost

6:08

it somewhere in between . Yeah , yeah

6:10

.

6:11

At one point I decided it was better to just shave

6:13

it off . And you know , then I got . I got

6:15

used to the , to the way it looked

6:17

and felt . So it's been like this for probably like 20

6:19

years now .

6:20

Yeah , yeah , I love that story

6:22

. It's a great story . I'm a bit adventurous

6:24

too , so I think that's really like

6:27

a nice adventure that

6:29

maybe a lot of people wouldn't

6:31

expect if they see you especially

6:33

not the part with the long hair .

6:36

But I like it .

6:38

I love this question . When I figured out this

6:40

to ask my guest this question , there's

6:42

so many fun stories coming out

6:44

or so many interesting things

6:46

I discover

6:50

about my guests , so yeah , it's

6:52

not , it's not nice to talk about

6:54

long hair and heavy metal or rock band .

6:58

But I appreciate you asking me that

7:00

question because a lot of times you're right

7:02

, you don't get to share . You sort of get caught sharing

7:05

the same stories over

7:07

and over and so many podcasts that it's nice

7:09

to go like on a little detour every now and

7:11

then just to , because it was actually

7:13

I'll share this kind and then we'll dive . I know you

7:15

got questions for me , but it

7:18

was on a podcast . When somebody asked me that

7:20

kind of question that I

7:22

remembered , I was like they asked

7:24

me something around my entrepreneurial journey how

7:26

did it start , you know ? And I was like

7:28

, oh my gosh , I've been doing this for like 20

7:30

plus years now , so it

7:33

didn't even register at the time . But

7:35

then it sort of took me backwards to

7:37

this place where I remembered I

7:39

forgot all about that . That was like part

7:41

of my journey that I created .

7:43

So it's nice to get different questions

7:45

like that from time to time , and I

7:47

actually don't look at it as taking

7:49

a detour . I look at it as almost

7:52

like setting the stage so that the

7:54

people get a little bit of

7:56

a glimpse of a different events than

7:58

what we're talking afterwards . And that

8:01

might even help sometimes the

8:04

listeners to relate to what you're saying

8:06

better or that they might be

8:08

more interested to listening . It's not

8:10

just some

8:13

boring business podcast

8:15

or something .

8:16

Right .

8:18

Yeah , that's my idea and besides

8:21

, I just love to

8:23

hear a different side of my guests

8:25

too . But yeah

8:27

, now I have lots of questions . I

8:29

want to dive in , because

8:32

you wrote to me and said

8:34

that you have an awesome story

8:37

how you left a successful business , which

8:39

you called chaos , to focus

8:41

more on yourself , which then

8:44

you called peace , and

8:46

to become a better father , husband and

8:48

human , and I find that

8:50

is very brave . But now , after hearing your

8:52

story about going to Los Angeles , that's

8:54

just like adventurous

8:56

again . But

9:00

so I know the story , why , but maybe

9:02

you could give us for the listeners

9:04

the reasons

9:06

why you left a successful

9:09

business to

9:11

and you called it chaos . I

9:13

would like to know .

9:15

Yeah , yeah , yeah , and

9:18

you know , it's funny is , I think , is the chaos

9:20

is probably more of a creation of my own

9:22

mind than what was actually happening

9:24

, but so that that

9:26

sort of preframes it . So now we'll dive into

9:29

the story , right ? But I was

9:31

working at the time as I explained

9:33

to you . It was sort of a new

9:35

venture . I found myself in the podcast

9:37

space , you know

9:39

, by circumstance , life

9:42

, right , it took me in that direction

9:44

and I

9:46

went from being having

9:48

a partner who was you know , I was , he

9:50

was my client and I was the person that was helping

9:53

him with his marketing and his sales strategy

9:55

to becoming a partner in the business

9:57

and we became very

9:59

successful with the podcast . It was one of I

10:02

would probably say one of the top two or three

10:04

podcast in the

10:07

world in its genre in the real

10:09

estate space and we sold

10:11

real estate sales training and

10:13

the one thing I loved about it was it had an underlying

10:16

mission . That was really my partner's

10:18

vision , because he was the expert behind

10:20

the microphone . I was sort of

10:22

the guy behind the curtain pulling

10:25

all the strings , turning it into a business

10:27

, right , Turning it into an actual real business

10:29

. It

10:31

had a mission of really not

10:34

just teaching people how to make money , but teaching

10:36

them how to work less , create

10:38

more freedom and be able to spend more

10:40

time with their family . And

10:43

I don't remember if it was you and I

10:45

that had this discussion when it all of a sudden it hit

10:47

me the irony behind it .

10:49

Yes , yeah , yeah , yeah , it

10:51

was our great dad , because that's that's

10:53

where I'm thinking , that's where the chaos came

10:55

from .

10:57

Yes , I know right , and it's

10:59

interesting because you actually and that

11:01

was the beautiful thing about our pre-chat is you brought

11:03

that up and I was like I never even

11:05

saw that perspective before . But

11:08

you know , the business was doing well , it

11:11

was doing successful . We had grown a small team

11:13

. I was pretty much

11:15

like the chief marketing

11:17

operator officer and the

11:19

chief operating officer all in

11:21

one , and while

11:24

we were creating freedom for everybody else

11:26

, I found myself working

11:29

extra long hours , stressed

11:31

all the time , not happy

11:33

. Things were going great in the

11:35

business . It was , you know , trajectory

11:38

was sky high . We basically went

11:40

from zero to half a million in the first 12

11:42

months and then it went beyond seven

11:44

figures . So everything was going great

11:46

in that side of things , but it

11:49

was . It was like I was . I

11:52

was probably working

11:54

more than I ever worked before . It

11:56

was like I couldn't . Your mind

11:58

was just caught in the chaos of not being

12:00

able to break free from

12:02

work . Even when I was at home with my

12:04

family , right , even when on

12:06

the weekends with my wife and young

12:09

daughter , is like I just couldn't get away from it . It

12:11

constantly looking at your phone , constantly

12:14

replying to messages , just , and

12:16

when I look back at it . Now , it's not

12:18

that it didn't have to

12:20

be that way , but it was on . I was the

12:22

one creating the chaos . I was the one

12:24

stuck in this mode because you don't know what

12:26

you don't know , you don't , I didn't

12:28

, I didn't know how to do it differently

12:30

at the time and so

12:32

, yeah , so that was the chaos of it and it

12:35

became . It got to a point where

12:37

I just was . You

12:39

know one . There were two , two instances that happened

12:41

. I think I shared with you the

12:43

one . We went to a marketing conference and

12:47

I was really surprised

12:49

at this conference I'd never been to one before . There's

12:51

like four , five thousand people there . I'm

12:54

expecting all the people to get up on stage

12:56

and talk about how much money they're making

12:58

and how they like show pictures

13:00

of their cars or whatever . Person

13:04

after person that came up there . They talked about

13:06

changing lives , creating impact

13:08

. They would share stories of people in

13:10

their community and how you know

13:12

their stories of how they had had

13:15

a total like life change for the better

13:17

, and that was where I

13:20

sort of had this little whisper in my ear

13:22

that was like you know , this

13:25

is what you're supposed to do . You're supposed to

13:27

be one of those people on the stage You're

13:29

supposed to be creating more impact , and

13:32

that was sort of the seed that was

13:34

planted amidst all this chaos

13:37

. And when we got back , I

13:39

couldn't quit thinking about that for one , and

13:42

we had about six to eight months before

13:44

I finally made a decision on that . But also

13:47

it was at the point where everything was

13:49

just so stressful and I just

13:51

wasn't happy . I was gaining a lot of

13:53

weight . I wasn't healthy mentally , spiritually

13:56

, physically , you name it . You

13:58

had an LY . I wasn't healthy

14:00

in it right . So

14:03

that's when I made the decision . I was like you know what ? I

14:05

got to do something about this , and

14:07

I do feel called to create a bigger impact

14:09

. I knew I'd created a system

14:12

, the way we did , that would

14:14

allow you to create a big audience to get

14:16

your message and mission out there . And I knew I

14:18

could take that and help other people

14:20

do it . And I knew if I did that , then I

14:22

was sort of fulfilling my purpose of

14:25

going bigger than just that one , helping

14:27

that one person get their mission out , and

14:30

so that eventually

14:32

I remember it . I remember

14:34

exactly when it was too , because it was right

14:37

after the Thanksgiving holiday here

14:39

in the US , because

14:42

Thanksgiving , I knew I'd

14:44

reached out to my partner . I was like , can we meet when

14:46

the holidays are over ? And he was

14:48

like , yes , so throughout all

14:51

of I couldn't even really enjoy Thanksgiving because

14:53

I was creating a conversation

14:56

that was never going to happen in

14:58

my mind between me and him the worst

15:00

case scenario , that's all I could think of

15:03

. And I kept running these scenarios

15:06

in my mind and imagining it . You

15:08

know , making this creation . That wasn't

15:10

even . It never happened that way . But

15:13

we met at a Starbucks in

15:15

downtown Charleston and I remember like

15:17

just being so nervous . Of course

15:20

my ego is thinking , if I leave , the

15:22

whole team is going to fall apart , the business

15:24

is going to fall apart . None of that happened . They

15:26

did great , but I remember . This

15:29

is why I really and I still think

15:31

of Pat as more than a business

15:33

partner . He's more of a friend and a mentor . When

15:36

I told him what I wanted to do , he just

15:38

looked at me and he just said how can I

15:40

help ? And that

15:42

was it .

15:43

It's like I'm leaving the business .

15:45

I know . Right , it

15:47

blew me away because he

15:50

was just showing up and shining

15:52

doing the part of the podcasting . Right , he was

15:54

the expert and I felt

15:56

like if I left everything

16:00

else it would pull the rug out from underneath it

16:02

. But the beautiful thing was is I don't . When

16:04

I look back on it , I wasn't giving myself enough credit

16:06

. I created a system that

16:08

it kept going . We

16:11

would meet from time to time over

16:13

the next year and it was still just

16:15

plugging away and in fact they had lost

16:17

a few team members and he's like we're still doing great

16:20

. And then he ended up selling the business

16:22

later . So when I look back at

16:24

it even though like to

16:26

circle back to the chaos the

16:28

chaos wasn't really happening anywhere , except

16:31

for in my own imagined

16:33

state . I was allowing it

16:35

to happen in my world because the business

16:37

itself was doing great and everything else was

16:39

doing great .

16:41

Do you think it was ? Was

16:44

your words ? You said your ego thought that

16:46

when you would be leaving would

16:49

be crumbling or the others would leaving

16:51

, maybe would be leaving . Maybe you

16:54

worked so hard also because

16:56

of that . No , because you thought , if you would

16:58

just let off a bit , then

17:01

and I think this is very common

17:04

in us , like business

17:06

owners who are not the paycheck comes

17:08

in every two weeks and we just know

17:10

that we sometimes don't know when

17:13

, when to stop pushing

17:15

so hard , especially because in the beginning

17:17

you have to push so hard . And then maybe

17:19

we missed the point when we and I'm

17:21

not saying coasting , because that's probably not

17:23

healthy either , but to to maybe

17:26

stop pushing so hard . And you

17:30

said already you did put processes

17:32

in place so

17:35

that that it would work like

17:37

on its own , almost , and you could

17:39

leave . But then our ego comes

17:42

into the way and says oh yeah

17:44

, but no , no , no , it still needs me , it

17:46

still needs the right hand that touches the

17:48

processes . Maybe I

17:50

don't want to put any words in your mouth

17:52

, but I'm thinking this

17:54

might be a reason why so many people end

17:57

up in such an overwhelm or

17:59

burnout , and I think you caught

18:02

yourself before you ended up really

18:04

deep down in in some burnout

18:06

, right yeah .

18:08

Yeah , I think I definitely know I did . And I think

18:10

back to your point too , you

18:13

know , because when we started , it was basically

18:17

me doing . I built everything from the ground

18:19

up on the back end , so I knew how everything

18:21

worked and then , slowly , then I would bring

18:24

on some team , we would

18:26

hire a team member and they would do it . But my problem

18:28

was and I look back , this I take full

18:30

responsibility because we had an amazing

18:33

team . We had people that could do great

18:35

work , but

18:37

I don't think I trusted them enough . I didn't know

18:40

how to manage a team . I'd never , I

18:42

had never been in that position before

18:44

. So but instead

18:46

of figuring out the

18:48

path forward now , I think I do a

18:50

much better job where I'm just , like you know what

18:52

this person is really good

18:55

at , what they do . I need to just trust them and let them

18:57

do it . But

18:59

that was the thing too , is that , even though I'd

19:01

built the systems , even though I'd hired

19:03

the team , I wasn't separate

19:06

from it . I didn't allow myself to allow

19:08

others to just be successful

19:11

without me having to feel like I needed to answer

19:13

. It was very much a micromanagement type

19:16

situation . But

19:18

you know and I give myself grace

19:20

now looking back at it , just because it was something

19:22

that I'd

19:24

never done before . I'd never really run a team

19:27

like that before , so

19:29

it was a little bit of a learning experience

19:31

.

19:32

Well , that's what they're saying , right , when you reflect on

19:34

so-called mistakes

19:36

, right , which yours wasn't a mistake

19:38

, you were just like kind of burning yourself

19:40

out . But when you look at , reflect

19:43

on so-called mistakes , then it becomes

19:45

experience and then you actually can turn it

19:47

around and make something great out

19:49

of it . And I

19:52

don't think it helps anyways , to I

19:54

call that mental clutter and emotional

19:57

, which leads to emotional clutter . When we start

19:59

beating ourselves up and hey , I'm the first

20:01

one who's struggling with that sometimes

20:04

, right , but

20:06

when you're looking from the outside and you can

20:08

see it in somebody , well , it doesn't help . Evans , if

20:11

you would beat yourself up , it's good . You

20:13

give yourself grace because you were very successful

20:16

, you caught yourself and

20:18

you learned out of it , right , and so that's life

20:20

. If you wouldn't have done it that way

20:22

, maybe you wouldn't be where you are . You are where

20:25

you are because you figured it out

20:27

. So

20:29

I find this is interesting . I

20:32

think it's way more interesting if people have

20:34

stories like this , that they learn

20:37

something out of it , rather than oh yeah , everything

20:39

went well and I was always

20:41

looking after myself and after

20:43

everybody else . Yeah

20:46

, maybe then you just didn't put yourself

20:48

into big enough challenges . Maybe

20:51

, who knows , who knows ?

20:52

Yeah , well , I know 100% that

20:55

I would not be , I

20:57

would not have the growth that I've had since

20:59

then if it wasn't for that

21:02

and you know that was the peace part

21:04

of it , right , that came

21:06

after , like , I called the chaos aspect

21:09

of it and then the peace part . So I

21:11

know the second part of your original question

21:13

.

21:13

If you want me to , I'll share , like the next steps

21:15

and what happened , because that would

21:18

be my next question because you mentioned

21:20

to me you said that peace brought actually

21:22

then a lot of success in your

21:24

own business and that you

21:26

were willing to share

21:28

with us the steps . So I would be interested , because

21:31

it is a scary thing to leave something

21:33

so successful behind . Most

21:35

people would maybe just try to work less

21:37

and stick there , and so

21:40

these steps would be very helpful

21:42

, probably for somebody who is in a similar situation

21:44

like you are .

21:46

Yeah , well , and I'd be happy to . And I think

21:48

for me the thing was is I

21:51

mean , it's been , it's been consistent

21:53

growth and change

21:56

since then ? Right , so it hasn't been

21:58

. It wasn't like , it was just like a light bulb and

22:00

everything was perfect . But leaving

22:04

, when I made that decision to leave , that

22:07

was like step one , just having the courage

22:09

to like say , okay , I got to do something

22:11

different . You know , doing the , doing

22:14

the same thing every day , is

22:16

not going to produce a different outcome . Right

22:18

, it's like it's the same thing . So

22:20

when I did that , I think

22:22

the smartest thing that

22:24

I'm decision I made when I look back

22:26

on it was was I didn't

22:29

immediately jump into something . Right

22:32

, I had so many different opportunities , so many people

22:34

reaching out to me and you know I knew

22:36

I could easily just go find work

22:38

because I , before I was doing this

22:40

, I was a consultant and so I just

22:42

went and found work all the time , right

22:45

through networking and referrals . So I knew I

22:47

could do that . But I think the first

22:49

smartest thing I did at the

22:51

time and I don't remember if it was intentional or

22:53

not , to be honest with you , but I

22:55

was I didn't start doing anything

22:57

right away . I was like , okay , I

23:00

need to work on me instead

23:02

of worrying about working on some something

23:05

else . So to work

23:07

on me , I did something . You know

23:09

, I'd always been sort

23:11

of a I read

23:13

a lot of like Wayne Dyer

23:15

. I've read , you know , dan Milman's the way

23:18

of the peaceful warrior . I sort

23:20

of had like some of these things in the

23:22

background that I was reading , that I was trying

23:24

to learn , but I'd never

23:26

really exercised , never really done

23:28

the activity . I did a lot of reading but

23:30

not a lot of doing . So

23:33

I spent probably

23:35

the next I don't remember exactly how many months

23:37

I would say the next few months I

23:41

created a morning routine and

23:43

I started doing it . Right , I started exercising

23:46

regularly . But the first things I would do in the morning

23:48

I get up , I drink a bunch of water

23:50

, I'd go outside , sit

23:52

on our front porch , I'd meditate , which

23:56

I'd never really done before . So I sort

23:58

of created a goal to do this

24:00

. So I meditated on

24:02

a regular basis . I would journal

24:04

, I would listen to something or

24:06

watch something on YouTube , something very uplifting

24:09

, very spiritual , something

24:11

like that and I

24:13

would read . And so

24:15

you know it's funny when I look

24:17

back on it . It's like in my younger years , if

24:19

I would have done something like that , I would have been like I'm just goofing

24:21

off right . It was

24:24

actually really important work

24:26

that I was doing and I could tell

24:28

over time because

24:30

I shifted from being very reactive

24:33

to being more responsive . I

24:35

shifted from , you know , being angry

24:37

all the time to just sort of being

24:39

more relaxed and , you know , letting

24:42

things go . I didn't get up first thing in the

24:44

morning and look at my phone right

24:47

, I do . I wouldn't look at emails . I wouldn't , I would let

24:49

. I would just leave that alone for

24:51

a while . The only thing I handled my phone with was

24:53

to listen , to do a meditation and

24:55

to watch . Something like that was uplifting

24:58

. But I remember , like

25:00

going through all this work and I don't remember

25:02

if I shared this with you or not in the other talk

25:04

, but , um , I remember walking

25:07

in one day and this was probably

25:09

, I don't know , my daughter at the time she

25:11

was probably six

25:13

or seven maybe , and

25:15

I walked in the house

25:17

and just , you know , randomly , kids

25:20

, they just cracked me up , like it , those ages

25:22

, because they just say stuff , right

25:24

, it feels like it comes out of left field . But

25:26

I think that you know , but I know to them there's

25:28

a reason why they're saying it . So she just

25:30

like , randomly , as I'm walking in and she'd

25:33

said something to me , she looked at me . She's like you know , I

25:35

love you , daddy , and

25:37

I'm like , no , why ? And she's like

25:39

you don't really yell anymore , yeah

25:42

, and I was like , oh my gosh . I was like

25:44

at that point I was like it was all worth it

25:46

, right . So , but

25:48

that allowed me to taking

25:51

that time and doing that . I mean , it totally shifted

25:54

me as a person . I started

25:56

looking back on things that you

25:58

know , forgiving people , like

26:01

there were some things that had happened through my life

26:03

that I needed to forgive certain people . Then

26:05

I forgave myself for some things . I

26:07

started giving myself grace . I started

26:09

saying , you know like these are , you know , like

26:11

there's the saying , um , this happened

26:14

, didn't happen to you , it happened for you

26:16

, or whatever , right . So I started

26:18

looking at things totally different , and that total

26:20

different way of looking at the world just

26:23

created the space

26:25

for me to now come back in and start working

26:27

, but not to be called up in

26:30

it 24-7 to

26:32

where even one of my clients

26:34

who's a parenting coach she gave me some really great

26:36

tips , um , one of which I

26:38

would share with everybody . That was you

26:40

know I work at home in the office

26:43

, a lot of us do but if you're driving

26:45

home she's like that's the thing . Like

26:47

if you're , if you're driving home from work

26:49

, you have that space before

26:52

you get home where you can sort of decompress

26:55

, get ready just like when you like

26:57

, walk through the right , through these doors

26:59

here , to my left and right into where

27:02

my family is . You don't give yourself that space

27:04

. So I started at

27:06

the end of the day being intentional , creating

27:08

like a buffer zone where

27:11

I stopped working and then I

27:13

take some time to just reflect on

27:15

the day , get ready to go , talk to my

27:17

family . But

27:20

I also started remembering

27:22

to celebrate wins , remembering to

27:24

schedule things that were important . This one

27:27

thing I learned from Pat , but I never did it when

27:29

we were together , right when we were business partners

27:32

. But he was very intentional

27:34

Like his . The things like working

27:36

out family time , all of those

27:39

, those were all on his calendar . He's like

27:41

you know you block that time off

27:43

. The most important stuff is like forget

27:45

the work stuff . He's like you put your family

27:47

in , you put your friends in

27:49

, you put your health in and

27:52

you take care of that . So I started doing that

27:54

right and being more intentional rather than

27:56

just flying all

27:58

over to the next . All right , here I come with the bucket

28:00

of water for the next fire person

28:03

that's who I used to be . So those

28:05

things were really important and I think you

28:08

know , I know I wouldn't

28:10

be , you know I

28:12

hate to even think about where I would be if I wouldn't

28:14

have taken that break and taken that time

28:16

to shift like that

28:18

.

28:19

Yeah , and isn't it interesting

28:21

how , even though you had your

28:24

business partner in front of you who

28:26

kind of lift

28:29

, lift it for like was

28:31

living it for you ? That should say that way how

28:35

it could be or

28:37

needed to be , even and and

28:39

you would probably have agreed

28:41

that this is great , but

28:43

you couldn't do it when

28:46

, when so many also that actually

28:48

have mastered it , like you now

28:50

, with having more peace , say

28:53

, actually the slowing down

28:55

is what helps you , speeding up , or the

28:57

slowing down is helping to , helps

28:59

you to be more productive , but when somebody

29:02

is in this , in this

29:04

frenzy I want to

29:06

call her chaos , then they don't see

29:08

it . No , I have no time to meditate , I

29:10

have no time to do this , I have no time for

29:12

sports , when actually

29:15

it's the other way around , right , if you take

29:17

the time , then then it

29:19

. You still get more

29:21

working because you get

29:24

the working that needs to be , needs

29:26

to be in like you prioritize properly

29:29

and you prioritize you your health

29:31

, because that's where a lot of people forget

29:34

to is like and I have to tell

29:36

that sometimes my clients to is like it doesn't

29:38

help if you run yourself into the ground . It

29:40

doesn't help your business , it doesn't help your clients

29:42

. It doesn't help anybody , right ? So ? yeah

29:46

you need to look after yourself . You're almost

29:48

the biggest asset in in in your

29:50

business and you're , for sure , the biggest

29:52

asset in your life you in your

29:55

health .

29:55

Yeah , yeah . And sometimes I

29:57

mean I probably went through this even

29:59

last week or the week before . I remember I

30:01

got into like that , had so many things

30:04

on my calendar which I usually don't . I

30:07

usually try not . I mean right now

30:10

the way I've been shifting

30:12

my business was , you know , Mondays

30:14

and Fridays . You know this

30:16

is an exception because I like doing podcasts

30:18

, but a lot of times I leave them wide open and

30:21

I don't schedule anything except for

30:23

on Tuesday , Wednesday and Thursdays

30:26

. Those are like where I do my coaching

30:28

, that's where I do my sort of business , introduction

30:30

calls , things like that . But

30:33

I do remember

30:35

going back to your point about Pat , and

30:37

it's funny because I did like , probably like

30:40

a year or so later , I just got on the phone

30:42

one time and called him and

30:44

I just was thanking him . I was like you know

30:46

, I said I never thanked you for this but

30:49

and I said I didn't even realize it at

30:51

the time but the things that

30:53

you were doing , you were really like a mentor

30:55

for me and I'm really grateful for it , because

30:58

at the time I wasn't

31:00

able to , like you said , I wasn't

31:02

able to benefit

31:05

from what was right in front of me , but

31:08

at least I paid attention because

31:10

then later it sort of absorbed

31:13

. It absorbed into me later when I gave

31:15

it space , but

31:17

it was it was . It's funny because he

31:20

always was determined I was going to be

31:22

. I'm doing this . All you know that I

31:24

want to be a really good husband

31:26

and father first , and

31:29

that's the way he was .

31:30

Yeah .

31:31

Right . So it was almost like all these things and

31:33

I didn't grow up with that . So

31:35

to me it was

31:38

a total different . You know , it

31:40

was like he was brought into my life to

31:43

give me sort of a really shining

31:45

example and a mentor to

31:48

become who I wanted to become in

31:50

many ways . So I actually picked up the phone and called

31:52

him and thanked him for that and we had

31:54

a good conversation and it was funny because

31:56

he was like he just

31:58

didn't ever really recognize it either and

32:00

you know I didn't . But I was like you were doing

32:02

everything that right

32:04

there in front of me , right , he worked

32:06

out all the time . He planned time to make

32:09

sure that his family came first , I mean all

32:11

these things . So it is , it's

32:13

tough when you're in the middle of the chaos . Yeah

32:15

, it just doesn't matter , right , because

32:18

you're very reactive . You just don't even take the

32:20

time . But even I was going back

32:22

to , I sort of jumped ahead . But even

32:24

after doing all this

32:26

for a few years , even it creeps

32:28

up on you . I remember last week at

32:31

one point just like , oh , I don't

32:33

have time to get to the gym because I got to get this

32:35

, this , this and then it's done and

32:37

I didn't do it , I didn't go . And then I had a miserable

32:40

, horrible day where I did so much

32:42

stuff but it felt like it wasn't complete

32:44

at the end of the day . So

32:46

the next day I was like I don't care . I

32:48

was like I ended up moving some stuff . I'm

32:51

like I got to go take care of myself

32:53

first and then the rest of the day went great

32:55

.

32:56

Yeah , and it's . It's sometimes really a lie

32:58

that we tell ourselves , because I had a very similar

33:00

experience last week . I do every

33:02

morning I do certain things like I live on acreage , so

33:05

I go for sure outside , I hug

33:07

my horses and all that . But then before

33:09

I start working , I have a specific kind

33:12

of you could call it a morning routine . It's

33:14

just 15 minutes , that actually kind

33:17

of regroup from being with the horses and

33:19

everything to here and okay , business

33:22

mind it's . It's I call it spiritual

33:24

practice , but it's kind of like just a refocus

33:27

. And I thought to oh no , I have so much on my plate

33:29

I have to do . I can't do that today . And

33:31

then I thought no , no , no no no

33:33

, no , no , we're not . We're not just jumping

33:35

in frantically and it

33:37

was just fine , like everything got done

33:40

, including my

33:42

15 minute thing that I wanted

33:44

to skip because I have no time for it

33:46

, and it's it's like whether

33:48

or not you're doing it and

33:51

then later realize it was

33:53

good you did it , or you skip it and later realize

33:55

, oh , I shouldn't have skipped it . I think this

33:57

is where we are aware

34:00

or we have , we have awareness and then

34:02

focus intentionally again to do it

34:04

. And I think that's the difference between

34:06

people who , who for

34:08

people that actually kind of try

34:11

to live or are on the path

34:13

to live this way , or those who just

34:15

say , oh nice for you to do that

34:17

, I can't do that , no , so like , yes , you can , and

34:20

it doesn't mean you have to have a three hour morning

34:23

routine .

34:25

Right .

34:27

Okay , my friend , that was part

34:30

one of this two part conversation

34:32

. In part two , Evans

34:34

will talk about how his newfound peace

34:36

brought even more success to him and his

34:38

business , how he gets his ideas

34:41

for his programs and , since he's

34:43

a podcasting expert , he

34:45

shared what the biggest mistake is

34:47

that podcasting entrepreneurs make

34:49

when it comes to growing their audience , and

34:52

you can be sure I had my

34:54

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