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But also, it's perhaps that time when we

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start thinking about the future, the

0:47

new year and the new starts, what

0:49

we want, and who we want to be in 2024.

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You know, I think we should personally be

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constantly evaluating ourselves in this way,

0:58

taking stock and figuring out what

1:00

we want to tweak about ourselves.

1:03

Big, small, for nearly everyone,

1:05

there's always some sort of

1:07

room for improvement. And

1:09

if you take time to reflect this time

1:11

of year, honestly, it goes a long way

1:13

toward making next year even better. It's

1:16

what chasing life is all about. And

1:18

in that spirit, I wanted to share some

1:20

of our favorite advice and tips from

1:23

some pretty fascinating guests we've had over the

1:25

year. Think of it like this. How

1:28

can you optimize yourself,

1:31

body and brain? I'm

1:33

Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN's chief

1:35

medical correspondent, and this is

1:38

Chasing Life. You

1:45

know, we covered a pretty wide variety of

1:47

topics in 2023. From

1:51

teens and cell phones. When

1:53

I have kids of my

1:55

own, if I don't

1:58

think I want to let them know. what

3:35

i encourage all of you to do is just

3:38

sit down and have the conversation about the things

3:40

that are important to you you might be amazed

3:42

at what comes out that

4:00

self-described mediatrician Dr. Michael

4:02

Rich told me. Number

4:05

one is instead of saying, I

4:08

hate that, get rid of it, it's bad

4:10

for you, you're saying, I love

4:12

you, I care about you, I want

4:14

to understand what engages you, I want

4:16

to understand what you're doing here. I

4:20

would say Dr. Rich is a big

4:22

advocate of approaching technology not out of

4:24

fear but quote out of a sense

4:26

of mastery. I think

4:29

that we just have to treat these

4:31

tools as tools

4:33

and with more respect and also

4:36

help these kids learn to use

4:38

them not in fear, not in

4:40

stay safe because we don't teach

4:42

driving a car by saying don't

4:45

hit that tree, don't run over pedestrians, we teach

4:47

them to drive a car and in the process

4:49

they learn to be safe. I

4:52

think that we need to approach it not out

4:54

of fear but out of

4:56

a sense of mastery of

4:58

this powerful tool. And

5:01

by the way that goes not just for teens

5:03

but younger kids as well. I

5:05

think for early children the

5:08

risks are greater for sure because

5:10

of the fact that the

5:12

brain is conditioning itself for

5:16

a lifetime, right? There's this critical window

5:18

early in brain development and so there's

5:20

something special about early childhood and I

5:22

do worry that they're lingering effects there.

5:24

Dr. Dimitri Christakis is

5:27

a pediatrician and he's also the

5:29

director of the Center for Child

5:31

Health Behavior and Development at Seattle

5:33

Children's Research Institute. In

5:35

the early 2000s he found that if toddlers

5:38

are frequently overstimulated by lights and

5:40

color and sound from the television

5:42

for example they could

5:45

have shorter attention spans later in

5:47

life. Now technology has exploded

5:49

since that study and

5:51

the bottom line remains the same. You have

5:54

to control the screen time otherwise it will

5:57

control you. Some of the

5:59

best overall tips to do that came from

6:01

science journalist Catherine Price. She

6:03

wrote a book about breaking up and

6:05

making up with our phones. These

6:08

are her top tips. Step one.

6:11

Actually have a moment of self-reflection and ask

6:14

yourself what's important to you in life and

6:17

then how are you actually living your

6:19

life and how is your phone getting away those

6:21

priorities. If you say that your family and your

6:23

kids are the most important thing to you and

6:25

then you ask yourself when I'm with my family

6:27

and with my kids am I actually present

6:29

with them or am I actually just scrolling through my work

6:32

email. Step two. Actually

6:35

go down to the level of looking at

6:37

the apps in your phone and asking yourself

6:39

which one of these are necessary or useful

6:41

or truly enjoyable and then which ones are

6:43

actual wastes of time that I know that

6:45

I just feel bad after I use them

6:47

that I don't want to spend as much

6:49

time on. If you're trying to quit

6:51

smoking it would be really dumb to keep cigarettes in

6:53

your pocket so if you know an app is a

6:55

problem for you and it's not actually benefiting you then

6:58

get it off your phone. Step

7:00

three. And then I also

7:02

created this exercise called what for why now what

7:04

else. W. W. W. for short and

7:07

once you notice your phones in your hand you just ask

7:09

yourself those questions what for what did I what did I

7:11

pick it up to do. Did I actually have a purpose.

7:14

Then you ask yourself why now. What was the

7:16

time sensitive reason you picked it up. Most of

7:18

the time it's going to be an emotional reason.

7:21

It's going to be like I was anxious. I

7:23

had or I wanted to be soothed. I was

7:25

bored waiting on this line. I wanted a distraction.

7:27

I felt lonely. I wanted to feel connected. So

7:29

identify what your brain is actually after and

7:32

then you can move to the third step the what

7:34

else which is to ask yourself what else could you do

7:36

in that moment to achieve the same result. Could you

7:38

actually use your phone to call a friend instead of going

7:40

to social media. If you're having a moment of loneliness

7:42

you know could you go for a quick walk around the

7:44

block if you need to break from work instead of

7:46

going over to the news. And

7:49

finally trying to change a habit

7:51

through willpower is a guaranteed way to

7:53

fail. It's much better if you can

7:55

give yourself a positive alternative. So I

7:58

really encourage people to ask what do you want. want to

8:00

be doing with your time. What's something you say you

8:02

want to do but you supposedly don't have time for?

8:06

Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy also

8:08

compared devices to smoking. I interviewed

8:11

him last spring after he issued a

8:13

warning saying that there's not enough evidence

8:15

to determine if social media is safe

8:17

for children and adolescents. It's

8:20

more complicated because with

8:22

smoking that was more clear cut in

8:25

some ways. Social media is more complicated because we

8:27

know that some kids do actually get

8:30

benefit from their experience of social media.

8:32

Some are able to connect more easily

8:34

with friends and family to express themselves

8:36

more creatively and more openly than they

8:38

otherwise would. To find community, which especially

8:40

for kids who have been historically

8:43

marginalized or discriminated against like

8:45

LGBTQ youth and others, that

8:48

community can be a real lifeline that they

8:50

find online. There

8:52

are benefits and they're mixed in with some

8:55

potential harms like just take LGBTQ youth

8:57

who I just mentioned a moment ago.

8:59

They are also more likely to experience

9:01

cyberbullying on social media

9:03

than other kids. And so how

9:06

we weigh the risks and benefits

9:08

becomes important. Murthy, like

9:10

me, is also a dad and

9:13

he struggles to navigate this topic with his

9:15

kids. I just want all

9:17

parents out there to know that this is

9:19

an incredibly difficult issue to manage for

9:21

your kids. And if you're struggling, if you're having a

9:23

hard time, if you have days where you feel like

9:26

you made the wrong decision for your kid, please don't

9:28

beat yourself up over that and know that a lot

9:30

of parents are in the same boat. So

9:33

that was pretty comforting to hear. We're

9:35

all in this together. The

9:37

episodes we did on technology and social

9:39

media were so eye-opening and they

9:41

were so scary as well to me as a

9:44

parent, but I think really for anyone.

9:46

Collectively, our society

9:48

has gone through some of the biggest

9:51

behavioral shifts ever recorded in

9:53

human history. And so

9:55

it's no surprise then our

9:57

experts universally cautioned against unlimited.

10:00

monitored use of devices in social media.

10:02

That makes sense. But

10:04

at the same time, we have to acknowledge

10:06

that many of us, including my three teen

10:08

daughters, have become increasingly dependent

10:11

on these devices to just get through

10:13

our day. And without them, we

10:15

may feel isolated and anxious. Even

10:17

I get FOMO sometimes. But

10:20

look, as with most things, you have to consider the

10:22

trade-off, the risk versus the reward, risks

10:25

being disrupted sleep patterns, headaches,

10:27

worsening anxiety. So here's

10:29

the bottom line advice. Take

10:31

some time to reflect on how we use

10:34

our phones. Maybe even

10:36

look at your screen time measurement and be

10:38

real honest about your usage. Here's

10:40

what we did in our household. We now

10:42

share our screen time with each other, how

10:44

much time we're on the screen on the

10:46

various apps. It's not to

10:48

shame each other, but rather to inspire.

10:51

The metric of success for us now is

10:53

how can we demonstrate less screen time on

10:55

certain apps week to week? Another

11:02

season of the podcast focused on aging

11:05

better. Getting older is

11:07

usually seen as a negative thing, which is

11:09

kind of weird, right? Because we all do

11:11

it. And yet we are still trying to

11:13

slow it down or avoid it altogether. But

11:16

my guess reminded me that aging is

11:19

in fact a gift not everyone gets

11:21

to experience. The day you

11:23

are born, you start aging from

11:25

that day. That's true. So you are

11:27

aging all the time. Is that, I mean,

11:29

are you saying as a good thing? It

11:31

is very good thing. That's

11:34

my mom, Demyanti Gupta. She's

11:36

81 years old and has this amazing approach

11:39

to getting older. She was making

11:41

a little joke there, right? Aging

11:43

sure beats the alternative. My

11:46

parents have lived these incredible lives. They faced

11:48

a lot of challenges in their younger years

11:50

for sure. In fact, my mom

11:52

lived much of her childhood as a refugee.

11:55

She then immigrated to the United States and

11:57

became the first woman to ever work as

12:00

an engineer at Ford Motor Company. And

12:02

through all of this, she remained

12:05

optimistic and grateful and

12:07

highly, highly energetic. I

12:09

just turned 81. I probably

12:11

feel younger than my age because

12:14

I'm pretty active. I

12:16

don't like to just sit around and do

12:18

nothing. I

12:21

just get up and

12:23

do my routine every day. I

12:25

go to bed early and I get up

12:27

early and we walk. We

12:29

do water aerobics. We go to gym, having

12:32

friends over. So life is

12:34

good. My parents have

12:36

been huge inspirations to me my whole

12:38

life. And the truth is there have

12:40

been other people as well. For example,

12:42

I've also been inspired by my friend,

12:44

Diana Naid. You may

12:46

know her story. It was back in 2013 when

12:48

she became the first person to

12:52

swim from Cuba to Florida without

12:54

using a shark cage. She was 64

12:57

years old. That

12:59

swim is 110 miles. She's

13:02

74 years old now, and she

13:04

still does a thousand burpees twice a

13:07

week. Why? Just for

13:09

herself. I personally think

13:11

that the human

13:13

condition is to seek your potential.

13:16

So you may be older and running a marathon

13:19

is not your thing. But what if you took

13:21

a look and said, you know, the

13:23

Chicago marathon's in October. I've been walking

13:25

almost 10 miles a day. Should I

13:28

walk 26.2 miles? Wouldn't

13:31

that be a kick in the pants? So

13:34

can we be more like Diana and

13:36

my parents? Maybe. Let's start

13:38

with some advice from certified strength and

13:40

conditioning coach, Paul Holbrook. We're

13:43

born with the ability to move quickly. At

13:45

an early age in grade school, middle school,

13:47

high school, we probably are doing a lot

13:49

of fast, quick movements. It's just

13:52

that when we hit college and we

13:54

start to go into the

13:56

workforce, we stop doing fast

13:58

movements. But it's a. truly believe that

14:00

if we keep those fast movements

14:03

up, we won't lose the ability to

14:05

do them. For example, going

14:07

to some stairs and just

14:10

running a step at a time, like

14:12

just four of them, like one, two,

14:14

three, four, and then walk

14:17

back down, rest for 20 seconds, 30, and do

14:20

that again, but as fast as you

14:22

can, safely. Just doing four

14:24

quick steps, one, two, three, four, then

14:27

walk back down, rest for a little bit

14:29

to recover enough to make the next set

14:33

really effective, really real quality

14:35

work, and just do three

14:38

or four of them. That's it. Then

14:40

there's my friend, National Geographic

14:42

Fellow and author, Dan Butner.

14:45

He studies longevity, and he coined the

14:47

term blue zones to help describe places

14:50

where people live the healthiest and longest

14:52

lives. One of those places

14:54

is the Nicoya Peninsula in Costa Rica, and

14:57

here's how he says the residents there actually

14:59

do it. Well, first of all,

15:01

they're eating a Mesoamerican staple

15:03

diet, or the half for

15:05

most of their life, which

15:08

consists of three

15:10

foods. I argue

15:12

it's the best diets humans have ever invented,

15:15

corn, beans, and squash.

15:17

Bring those three foods together. Anybody

15:20

can afford them. A lot of

15:23

tropical fruits. Somebody had a garden

15:25

around their homes full of papaya

15:27

and mango and pipayan, and year

15:31

around they were eating tropical

15:33

fruits. None of these centenarians

15:36

have driven. They've

15:38

walked their whole lives. Outside

15:40

sense of family, outside sense of

15:42

religion. Most

15:45

of them are very religious, which gives

15:47

them a sense of purpose,

15:49

but also a healthy community to

15:51

rally around. I

15:54

think increasingly we're realizing that

15:57

we need to look at preventing

16:01

looking upstream and preventing disease in the

16:03

first place. And that's what, you know,

16:06

people in blue zones are living a

16:08

long time because they're not getting the

16:10

diseases that foreshorten our lives, like

16:12

diabetes, metabolic syndrome, cardiovascular disease, cancers

16:15

of the GI tract. And now

16:17

we're even finding much lower rates

16:19

of dementia. So we

16:21

ought to be paying attention to these places

16:24

who manifestly are doing it better than

16:26

America at a fraction of

16:28

the cost that we spend trying

16:30

to stay healthy. Whole

16:32

foods, exercise, community,

16:35

gratitude, figuring out

16:37

what to do is actually not that

16:40

hard, makes sense. It's actually

16:42

doing it. These particular ingredients

16:44

kept coming up over and over again

16:46

in all my conversations about staying as

16:49

healthy and as engaged as possible while

16:51

getting older. We also had an

16:53

episode that got a lot of attention. It

16:55

was focused on one unexpected solution

16:58

for managing a few of aging's

17:00

annoying side effects, sleep,

17:03

pain, mood disorders, existential

17:05

dread. The solution, possibly

17:07

for some people, cannabis.

17:11

I noticed that a lot of the

17:13

veterans who were seeking mental health care

17:15

were cannabis users, and they

17:17

swear by cannabis. I mean, they swear by

17:19

its positive impact on their day-to-day life. Dr.

17:22

Aaron Greenstein is a geriatric psychiatrist,

17:24

which means he helps older patients

17:26

manage their mental health. Now, I'll

17:28

give you some context here. This

17:31

country's senior population is about 55.7

17:33

million and growing. But

17:36

according to a 2018 study from the University

17:38

of Michigan, we have

17:41

a mere 1,200 geriatric

17:43

psychiatrists. Bottom line, it's

17:45

not nearly enough. Dr. Greenstein

17:47

is one of relatively few

17:49

people working with the elderly and

17:52

even fewer who is cautiously

17:54

evaluating how cannabis might help them. When

17:57

you say that that guy in Florida had these

17:59

incredible benefits, that's helped him sleep, that helped

18:01

him deal with his existential distress, okay,

18:03

we can assume that, you know, THC and maybe

18:05

some CBD that's doing that, but the reality is

18:08

there's 150, over 100 cannabinoids

18:10

in this stuff, and there's another

18:12

500 compounds that we don't know

18:14

anything about, and it's possible that it's one of

18:16

those compounds that's actually, you know, modulating the part

18:19

of his brain that's driving this existential distress and

18:21

alleviating that. So, you know, it's hard for me

18:23

to make any recommendations without us actually understanding what

18:25

this stuff is and what it's made of and

18:27

what the different chemicals are actually doing. I just

18:29

don't know at this point. There

18:32

were so many more great revelations in all

18:34

of our episodes about aging. For

18:36

example, I talked to filmmaker and author,

18:38

Justine Bateman about beauty standards for women

18:40

and forgoing plastic surgery. I also talked

18:42

to my younger brother, Sunil. I have

18:44

a younger brother, he's 10 years younger

18:46

than I am, and what do we

18:48

talk about? Midlife crises.

18:51

It was fascinating to hear his perspective. So

18:54

go check out those episodes if you haven't

18:56

already, and we'll be back right after

18:58

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shopify.com/ Tech Twenty Three. We're

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back with the best of this year of chasing

20:12

life. Our most recent episodes

20:14

have focused on my personal favorite topic,

20:17

the brain. The brain is

20:20

arguably the most enigmatic three and a half pounds

20:22

of tissue in the known universe. It

20:24

is why I've dedicated my life to caring for

20:26

it. But aside from surgery

20:28

operating on the brain, we know there

20:30

are all sorts of ways we can

20:32

care for our brains, starting with simply

20:34

being more attentive to the basics. How

20:37

we eat, how we sleep. We

20:40

found a very clear effect of habitual

20:42

daytime napping. So having a regular

20:45

daytime nap on the total

20:47

size of the brain. So what we call

20:49

total brain volume as captured with a brain

20:51

scan. That's Victoria Garfield, a

20:53

senior research fellow at the Medical Research

20:55

Council unit for lifelong health and aging.

20:58

She's also a professor at University College

21:00

London. Our brains shrink

21:02

as we age, but I was surprised

21:04

to learn that napping could actually slow

21:07

down that process. Garfield's

21:09

work shows that people who napped

21:11

regularly had on average larger brain

21:13

volume, meaning people who napped sort

21:16

of in many ways had younger brains than those

21:18

who didn't. The things that

21:20

we always say to people are

21:23

the standard things like you

21:26

want to be sleeping for seven

21:29

to nine hours a night on

21:31

average. That's half the battle won. And

21:34

that really comes from the American Academy of Sleep Medicine.

21:36

And they've been saying this for a long time now.

21:40

The other thing is quality of sleep. So

21:44

it might be that you

21:47

don't sleep for quite, say, seven to eight hours.

21:49

You sleep for, say, six and a half. But

21:51

the quality of sleep you're getting is good. So

21:54

that is good. And that

21:56

will help your brain replenish. And

21:58

then the other thing to... think about that

22:00

we, that a lot of us don't

22:03

do that helps your brain cells kind

22:05

of recoup is to go to bed

22:07

and go to sleep and wake up at

22:09

the same time, seven days a week. Her

22:12

top tips were to stick to a

22:14

regular sleep schedule and to find ways

22:17

to give your brain a break during

22:19

the day. That could be by napping,

22:21

but it could also be simply getting

22:23

outside for a walk, calling a friend,

22:25

doing some gardening. You can also turn

22:27

to certain foods for a brain boost.

22:29

It's not exactly as specific as eat

22:31

10 blueberries before a math test, but

22:34

diet definitely has an impact on our

22:36

cognitive function and it can happen quickly.

22:39

Dr. Uma Naidu is a nutritional

22:41

psychiatrist at Harvard Medical School, such

22:44

a fascinating field, nutritional

22:46

psychiatrist, and she is

22:48

the perfect person to really define

22:51

brain food. So one of

22:53

the groups I'll start with, because people are pretty familiar

22:55

with this, is the foods rich in

22:57

omega-3s. So things like fatty fish, the

22:59

pneumonic for the fish that are

23:01

chocolates that list a smash. So

23:04

salmon, mackerel, anchovies,

23:06

sardines, and herring, because

23:08

they contain forms of

23:11

EHA and DHA that

23:13

are actually helpful for

23:17

the brain and will actually make a

23:19

difference. They will make

23:21

a difference and they have anti-inflammatory and

23:23

antioxidant properties. Personally, Dr.

23:25

Naidu, a vegetarian, likes avocado toast

23:28

or chia pudding for breakfast, a

23:30

salad with lots of protein for

23:32

lunch, and maybe a cauliflower steak

23:34

for dinner. As for sugar, Dr.

23:37

Naidu really focused on this, wants us

23:39

to carefully consider the source. A

23:42

cupcake, obviously, is going to have a

23:44

very different impact on the brain than,

23:46

say, a bowl of strawberries or a

23:48

sweet potato. But those with a sweet

23:50

tooth might enjoy the benefits of extra

23:52

dark chocolate. That made her list. Perhaps

23:55

her most interesting but least understood point

23:58

is that foods can have a big... impact

24:00

on our mood quickly. Probiotics

24:02

like yogurt and the omega-3s

24:04

in foods like salmon can

24:06

increase the serotonin in your

24:08

gut. She even compared

24:10

the ability of certain foods to

24:13

improve our mood to prescription medications

24:15

for anxiety or depression. You

24:17

know, we can use these interventions around

24:19

the gut microbiome and

24:22

the use of things like probiotics, which, you know,

24:24

I think most of my patients would rather reach

24:26

for yogurts than, you know, an antidepressant.

24:29

Dr. Naidu also touted the benefits of

24:32

a reasonable amount of caffeine, which

24:34

I also discussed in great detail

24:36

with science writer Michael Pollan. Caffeine-containing

24:41

drinks such as coffee and tea have

24:44

a lot of very positive health effects. They

24:48

help with cardiovascular

24:50

disease. They are

24:52

correlated with lower rates of Parkinson's

24:55

disease. You know, one thing

24:57

Pollan reminded me of is

24:59

that caffeine is in many ways

25:01

the most widely used psychoactive drug

25:03

in the world. We often

25:05

forget that. It means we also

25:07

probably forget about the drawbacks. Caffeine can

25:09

help us wake up and keep us

25:12

focused, but it also blocks the

25:14

chemical adenosine from building up over the

25:16

course of the day, which means you

25:18

could have trouble sleeping. Pollan

25:21

called it, quote, borrowing against the

25:23

future. But he says overall

25:25

the effects of caffeine are positive. His

25:27

top tip was to pay attention to

25:29

how much caffeine you consume and

25:32

really close attention to what it does to

25:34

you. In fact, to find

25:36

out for himself, Pollan quit cold turkey

25:38

for three whole months. There's

25:41

something transparent about consciousness

25:44

on caffeine. Things seem,

25:47

they don't seem like they're distorted in any

25:49

way, but they're sure different.

25:51

And the way you can

25:53

tell is by giving up caffeine for a

25:55

period of time. I'd like

25:57

to end with a lesson from one of our most moving episodes.

26:01

It was on forgiveness. My guest

26:03

was Professor Robert Enright, a psychologist

26:05

at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. He's

26:08

been studying forgiveness science for nearly

26:10

four decades. He's even helped some

26:13

global heads of state develop more

26:15

forgiving personalities. One thing that he told me

26:17

right off the bat is that it's a

26:19

process and it takes a lot of practice. Oftentimes

26:23

I suggest that you don't start

26:25

with the huge issues, the

26:27

huge atrocities. Start with the

26:29

smaller ones and get to know the pathway

26:31

of forgiveness. As you do that,

26:34

then you grow in it. Then you can

26:36

go to the big ones. The

26:38

benefits of forgiveness are huge. It can

26:40

reduce anxiety and depression. It can lower

26:42

your blood pressure. It can help you

26:44

sleep better. There are even

26:46

huge benefits when you truly learn to

26:49

forgive yourself. I

26:51

find the way the world works, when

26:53

people are beaten down by others, they

26:55

believe the lie and they

26:57

start not liking themselves. Oh, I wish

26:59

the world didn't work this way, but

27:01

it does. And you know what?

27:04

They are able to reconstitute a

27:06

full human being in themselves as

27:09

they do so for the other. They

27:11

humanize themselves. Their self-esteem goes up

27:14

and they can go on now

27:16

well far better than they

27:18

have in anything they've ever tried

27:20

prior to forgiveness. I

27:26

find that to be a very hopeful message for the end of 2023,

27:28

a time of reflection as well as a time to set up intentions

27:31

for the new year. You can all use a reminder

27:33

to have empathy for and

27:36

to have patience with each other and ourselves. It's good

27:38

for our brains. That's it for this year

27:43

of Chasing Life. We'll be back

27:45

in January with a whole new season of the podcast. I

27:48

know a lot of you might be thinking about setting

27:50

new goals, especially around weight in

27:53

the new year, but let's face it, there's a lot of

27:55

conflicting information. Mason

28:00

about what even makes for a healthy

28:02

weight as well as a lot of

28:04

confusing news when it comes to the

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wildly popular new medications for them. Pick

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