0:00

There have been psychics and communicators

0:02

for as long as people have

0:04

been around. Do you feel like there's

0:07

a certain type of personality that

0:09

more frequently has these psychic abilities?

0:11

It's a genetic link, but it

0:13

also comes from our hunter-gatherer days,

0:16

where she believes we all had these

0:18

abilities and that's how we survived. We

0:21

all had these abilities. And

0:23

they say, wait, we had Christians

0:25

that were doing mushrooms and we

0:28

had, they had these giant wine

0:30

vessels that were laced with psychedelic

0:32

drugs and then the priest would

0:34

drink that and they'd smoke the

0:36

cannabis in the lanterns and fill

0:38

up the chapel. In the US

0:40

and abroad, we do not have

0:42

protection. We do not have laws

0:45

for animal abuse that are very,

0:48

they're aggressive, but it's very hard

0:50

to prosecute. She found a raccoon

0:52

stuck in a dumpster and

0:55

she decided to light it on fire. And

0:57

she afterwards, she

0:59

just like doubled down and was like

1:01

trying to make it this funny thing.

1:05

And the judge was like, this is extremely

1:07

concerning. If you were able to

1:09

do this to a defenseless animal,

1:12

then that says a lot about you, your

1:14

character, and what the danger you pose to

1:16

other people even. Not only do pets and

1:19

animals have thoughts and feelings, but they have memories. Hello,

1:24

everybody. You are listening or watching

1:27

Chatting with Candice. I'm your host,

1:29

Candice Horbac. So I did

1:32

the episode and then I went to

1:34

go get my microneedling appointment

1:37

because I ran out of time

1:39

because we just couldn't stop chatting

1:41

even after we stopped recording. I

1:44

just love Nancy so much. So

1:47

my face looks a little bit crazy right

1:49

now for the intro that is because that

1:51

is what exactly happened right after. It looks

1:54

like I have a really gnarly

1:56

sunburn. So that's

1:58

what's happening. Anyway. I'm just

2:00

trying to explain the incongruency from

2:03

this video to the following.

2:06

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2:09

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the beginning of the episode. This

3:30

week, we have Nancy Mello joining

3:32

the podcast. Nancy is

3:34

a psychic and animal communicator. Before

3:37

you say that this episode is not for

3:39

you, we talk about plenty of other things

3:41

that are not related to

3:44

psychic abilities and animal communication.

3:46

What is interesting is a

3:48

lot of the commonalities that

3:50

Nancy and I drew between

3:52

our professions and our

3:55

paths through life, which I

3:57

think is really fun when you can connect dots

3:59

with people. it seem to be in

4:01

totally different fields and parts of the world. Nancy

4:05

is the real deal. Lady is

4:07

my older dog. She is 14 and

4:10

she is going through it folks.

4:12

She is really going through it. She

4:15

knew things from

4:17

years ago. Like there's no way. I

4:19

don't post a lot of my super

4:22

personal stuff online. I don't really post

4:24

my dogs or their breeds or their

4:26

age. She was talking about things

4:28

only lady would know. Like only lady would

4:30

know or my husband or something like that.

4:33

But not even a friend, not even a

4:35

close friend would be like, oh, that beanbag

4:37

from seven years ago or that rug in

4:39

the laundry room. It was spot

4:42

on and she really helps me. We

4:44

realized lady is going deaf. She verified

4:46

that. We were kind of questioning

4:49

it. Didn't tell her that and

4:51

she was going deaf. I was like, oh my gosh,

4:53

we've been thinking that. So just like

4:55

little examples like that. I'm not sharing the

4:57

reading on here. Maybe I'll

4:59

do that if she gives me permission because it

5:01

was just to a T. So if you have

5:03

an animal in your life and you want to

5:05

know what they're thinking or they're sick and

5:09

you just want a little bit of peace

5:12

of mind, I'm going to link all of

5:14

her resources below. Again, she is 100% the

5:16

real deal. I could not recommend

5:18

her enough. It is a great

5:20

gift card to give to people. It's just

5:23

something for fun. Even if you're skeptical,

5:25

it's just something fun to do. Check

5:28

it out and maybe you'll

5:30

join me on the side of the believers

5:32

by the end of this episode. Well, I

5:34

think that is it for this very

5:37

long intro, but thank

5:39

you for hanging in there. And without

5:41

further ado, please help me welcome Nancy

5:43

Mello. Nancy, it's so good to see

5:46

you. Thanks so much for having

5:48

me. I'm so excited. And

5:50

then I saw your post yesterday that

5:52

you were doing podcasts. And when we

5:54

did our call was like a week

5:56

ago or so, I was like, do you do podcasts? I

5:58

have to have you because I was

6:01

just so blown away by our session.

6:03

Like you were the real deal, absolutely

6:06

no questions about it. I

6:08

was just happy to help. It was interesting

6:10

because like with TikTok, you get a message

6:12

in the other folder and I just happen

6:14

to see the message. And I try and

6:16

read what I get. I

6:20

mean, I may not be able to respond right away, but I

6:23

was like, you know, if I have the time, I will try

6:25

and help. I don't always have it,

6:27

but it just, it was good timing. Yeah,

6:29

honestly, I don't ever expect anyone to respond

6:31

in the like the DMs of TikTok because

6:34

it's very hard to get to. And then

6:36

I was really taking a

6:38

gamble because there's so many, especially when

6:40

it comes to the field of like

6:42

spirituality, psychics, any one kind of reading.

6:45

It's how do you decipher between someone

6:47

who's trying to kind of take advantage,

6:49

maybe someone that's really good with NLP

6:53

or just psychology in general, and then someone

6:55

that's actually doing the reading. And to

6:58

anyone who's like maybe skeptical, the things

7:00

in our call were like from years

7:02

ago, like when

7:04

we were talking about ladies beanbag, like ages

7:07

ago, there is no, like that doesn't exist. Like

7:09

there's just no way, you know what I mean?

7:11

So there are certain ways that

7:13

you can kind of just feel it. And that's probably

7:16

what drew me to you anyways, you know what I

7:18

mean? Because if you look up the animal communicators, it

7:20

comes up a lot, but for some reason I was

7:22

drawn to you. And again, absolutely blown away. So I

7:25

guess is there, how

7:28

do you go into this space and

7:32

with a skeptical mind, I guess, distinguish between

7:35

someone that's taking advantage of you versus someone

7:37

that's actually trying to use it as a

7:39

service. Someone

7:42

that's say, oh, from a client

7:44

perspective, you mean, from my perspective.

7:46

Well, both, yeah, both. As

7:48

a client, so

7:51

I actually have a picture of a Da

7:53

Vinci there's a

7:55

little known drawing. I'm actually, since we're

7:57

on video, it's a little known drawing. It's kind of

7:59

bent because it's. It's been a few years, but it's a little

8:01

known drawing that he did. And even how

8:03

I ended up upon this drawing was just

8:06

remarkable. It was the last day

8:08

of an exhibit of his at the Royal

8:10

Gallery. We were in London for a day. We

8:12

got tickets. It was crazy, but anyway, I

8:14

looked down and it's called Gypsies. And

8:17

Da Vinci drew it as a

8:20

response to Venice kicking

8:22

out gypsies that

8:24

were palm reading. So in the drawing, it's,

8:26

it's hard to decipher because this is literally

8:29

a picture of a picture, but

8:31

it has someone holding out

8:33

their palm while someone else

8:35

is taking, like, I guess it would be a

8:37

satchel back then. And

8:39

so Venice had made this political statement

8:41

of gypsies get up. And

8:44

I'll never forget, like I stood there

8:46

just, you know, first of all,

8:48

I'm not, I'm, I'm appreciative of

8:50

architecture and art, but I don't understand it. And

8:52

so when I just saw this, I was blown

8:54

away because a few

8:56

things hit me at once. One that

8:59

there have been psychics and

9:02

communicators for as long as

9:04

people have been around to

9:08

that there have always been people as

9:10

well that have taken advantage of it.

9:13

And I didn't

9:16

in my lifetime set out to be

9:18

a psychic and animal communicator. It is

9:20

not what I said I wanted to

9:22

be when I grew up. In fact,

9:24

I rallied against it as hard

9:27

as I could. And

9:29

I really tried to put myself in a box.

9:33

I married very traditionally.

9:36

I fulfilled very traditional rules. And

9:42

I really set out with

9:45

this big secret. And

9:48

eventually when people got to know me, it

9:51

would come out, but

9:53

it was very hush hush. I

9:57

have struggled with depression my entire life. And

10:01

one night it got to a point where I was thinking

10:04

about attempting to unalive myself. And that's when I realized

10:06

I had a choice of helping people or not. And

10:10

I realized that I have this gift to help.

10:14

So decided not to unalive myself, decided

10:16

to get help for that. But at the same time,

10:18

if I'm going to help, how am I going to

10:20

do it? And

10:23

I wrote down, I actually have the paper still

10:25

on my desk as a code of ethos. The

10:28

night that I tried to unalive myself of what I wanted

10:31

to stand by. If I did this

10:34

out loud in the open.

10:37

One of those was to never take advantage of someone. Never

10:40

to say, I don't know. Or

10:43

if I don't feel a connection, to

10:45

be honest about it. To

10:48

make myself available. And

10:52

also to give generously. But

10:55

also protect my own space. I

10:59

come from a background of, at the

11:01

time it was called Women's Studies, now

11:03

it's called Gender Studies and Political Science

11:05

in college. And I had

11:07

an organizing background. So I knew

11:10

about social media and I knew

11:12

how to work it. But I

11:14

also knew that because

11:16

the space was so overwhelmed with

11:19

psychics and animal communication already, I

11:23

needed to do the best of my

11:25

ability every single session. And that meant

11:28

asking people for Google recommendations. Sylvia

11:31

Brown, who was a famous psychic that passed

11:34

a few years ago, used to say that

11:36

the best psychics don't need to advertise. And

11:38

I also really stand by that. I do not advertise.

11:42

You will hear about me through

11:44

the algorithms now on social media

11:46

or someone referring. That

11:49

being said, I

11:54

encourage everyone to do their own

11:56

research. A psychic or animal. communicators

12:00

should be Googleable. You

12:02

should be able to find out information on

12:04

them. When I did a lot of missing

12:07

pets and I became known for missing pets,

12:11

there was information that I put out there.

12:13

Here is my statistics. This is I find

12:15

more cats and dogs. Actually the most common

12:17

state I find them in is in Pennsylvania.

12:19

I had all of my statistics. This is

12:21

the numbers. This is how long it usually

12:23

takes to find them. This

12:25

is if your pet is lost this amount, the

12:27

percentage goes down. I had all of the numbers.

12:33

I think that for

12:36

a long time, this

12:39

space has

12:41

counted on the

12:43

secrecy and counted on the

12:46

cloak and mirrors. And

12:50

I knew going into this five

12:52

years ago professionally that that's

12:55

not me. I own

12:57

everything. If I'm wrong, I say

13:00

I'm wrong. I am quite the

13:02

dork. I dance like

13:04

Elaine from Seinfeld. I

13:06

am not perfect. There

13:09

have been sessions that I've been like, fucking

13:11

anything. And that could be for a variety of

13:13

reasons. Do

13:17

your research. Do

13:21

not go to someone that says

13:24

they are never wrong. We

13:27

are human. We will be wrong.

13:29

We will have bad days. Do

13:33

not go to someone that says

13:35

you cannot speak to anyone else

13:37

but me. Because

13:39

just like in therapy or doctors,

13:43

some things you're gonna feel

13:45

comfortable talking to one person about and some things

13:47

about another. You

13:52

want to feel

13:54

like you can have a cup of coffee with

13:56

this person. And be

14:00

comfortable because when you're comfortable with me,

14:03

then I'm able to read you. If someone's like

14:05

this and thinks that I'm full of BS right

14:07

away, I'm not going to be able to read

14:09

them. But

14:11

at the same time, by you giving me your

14:13

vulnerability, I'm going to give you my whole heart.

14:16

And another part of my

14:18

ethos is I'm never going to take advantage of that. I

14:20

don't share client lists. I

14:23

don't talk about who I've spoken to.

14:26

And I've talked with people from all walks of life.

14:30

And I don't share. I

14:32

also have a policy of not talking on

14:34

that note of not talking about celebrities on

14:37

my page. I remember after

14:39

Queen Elizabeth died, I

14:42

had a lot of people asking me to talk to her

14:44

corgis and I won't do it. Without

14:47

and this goes for everyday people.

14:51

I will not

14:53

talk about someone on a personal level without

14:55

their consent. So

14:58

in a session, you

15:01

should be able to say no and they

15:04

should stop. I

15:08

will never tell someone you're

15:11

not allowed to know that. Now,

15:13

sometimes I get things that are unclear and then

15:17

I'll say this is unclear. I'm

15:19

not sure what I'm seeing. It's kind

15:21

of this circle of things. This is

15:23

maybe why. Because everything

15:25

that we say, I believe in the

15:27

butterfly effect. I believe in the chaos

15:29

theory. So even just saying things changes

15:32

something else. But the

15:34

beautiful thing about that is that you've you

15:36

even talking to me creates this

15:39

beautiful progression. So

15:41

there's a lot to choosing

15:44

someone talking to someone either

15:46

as a medium or an animal communicator is

15:49

very intimate. And I don't

15:52

share that. I don't talk to when

15:54

I get off a call. I

15:57

may be able to tell my kids and my spouse that

15:59

it was tough. or it was sad, but I

16:01

don't talk about details unless

16:05

I have the express permission of the

16:07

person I just spoke to. And that

16:10

if you go on my TikTok, I have

16:12

animal communicator stories. Those are all people that

16:14

have expressly given their consent for me to

16:16

speak about it because I will never, ever

16:21

break that trust of someone. Just

16:23

like I will not tell you who I've spoken

16:25

to. Even you can tell me I got referred

16:27

by so-and-so and I say, that's great. But

16:30

I'm not going to therefore then talk to you about

16:32

their session. Because

16:35

that's not A, I probably won't remember it because

16:37

once I hear something, it kind of goes out.

16:40

But also that's against

16:42

my ethos. So long

16:45

story short, do your

16:47

research. You should

16:49

find people that have reviews on different

16:51

platforms. If they are

16:53

as good as they say, people are going to be

16:55

talking about them. There

16:57

should be a variety of

17:00

reviews. For instance, I have, I

17:02

think I looked last night 435 five star reviews or 435 reviews. I

17:07

think there's like a smattering, like I think

17:10

there's like five, four of like either a

17:12

four star or like a one star. And

17:14

that's valid. And that's okay. Because

17:16

again, I'm not perfect. The

17:19

majority of people say, yay, we love her. Some

17:21

don't. But I don't take it personally,

17:23

right? Sometimes

17:26

I'm just not the psychic

17:28

or the animal communicator for you. But

17:30

I promise, and this is where the evidential comes in and

17:32

the proof, I will give you the proof. I'm

17:35

not just going to tell you that they laid on a bed. I'm going to

17:37

give you the color. I'm going to give you

17:39

the texture. Sometimes animals can be very textual. I'll give

17:41

you the texture of the bed. I'll give

17:43

you smells. I'll give you motions. Some

17:45

dogs will go like this when they're paused.

17:48

I will give you things that have happened since. A

17:51

lot of animals, after passing in

17:55

giving proof, will talk about a chair

17:57

you moved. You moved homes. So

18:00

these things that are changed that there's no way

18:02

I would know. So when

18:04

you are looking for someone, they

18:07

should be specific. And if they're not,

18:09

and this is the last thing I'll

18:11

say, and it's really super important. If

18:13

you don't feel comfortable in the first

18:15

five minutes, or

18:18

even 10 minutes, don't be afraid to be like,

18:20

look, I'm not feeling this. I'm

18:23

not feeling this connection. Can

18:26

I have a refund? Can we

18:28

stop this? And any

18:30

legitimate medium

18:32

or animal communicator should say,

18:34

sure, no problem. In

18:37

some cases, I'm like, well, do you want to try

18:39

on a different day? I will give that option. But

18:41

that's only like, is this a bad read? Because

18:44

for instance, one time,

18:46

maybe six months ago, there was someone that had just

18:48

lost a dog. And they

18:50

stopped me and they were like, look, this is not making

18:52

sense. And I said, no problem. Maybe it

18:54

is because you just lost him last week. And

18:57

we scheduled for a month later and it went beautifully.

19:00

But it's also your choice to do so. It's

19:02

not mine. If

19:04

you still want to put that trust in me, that's wonderful.

19:07

But it's okay. Do

19:12

you feel like there's a certain type

19:15

of personality that is more, like more,

19:17

more frequently

19:20

has these psychic abilities? Because what I've

19:22

noticed is, like, you've been very open

19:24

with your battle with depression, like I

19:26

saw a couple of posts recently. And

19:28

I think that vulnerability is amazing because

19:30

it lets people know that they're not

19:32

alone and that from the

19:35

outside, like it's not something that you can

19:37

see oftentimes. So someone could be really going

19:39

through something internally and you're like, their life

19:41

is great. They've got these

19:43

fault rates. So it's really cool to

19:45

demystify those things. But I do see

19:48

a pattern of people that have really

19:50

impressive abilities that almost seem to be

19:52

very sensitive, like very sensitive energetically so

19:54

that it can make certain things a

19:57

little bit more difficult. from

20:00

depression, for example, because you're,

20:02

do you tend to be a feeler? I

20:07

had a question once on another podcast and they said,

20:09

could you, so I am 42. I had a question,

20:13

would you have done this at 20? And

20:16

I said, yes, but I wouldn't have

20:18

been any good at it. Because

20:20

while I could feel and I could tell

20:23

you that your aunt, your great aunt was

20:25

named Ada, I'm getting from the Gilded Age,

20:27

but you know, you had a great aunt

20:29

Ada and she had a dog.

20:31

I'm just again thinking Gilded Age. I

20:34

could tell you that stuff, but I didn't

20:36

have the empathy. I

20:38

have had a lot

20:40

of crap happen. I had a really

20:44

tough childhood because of my abilities. There was

20:47

a lot of things that went

20:49

on and it really continued

20:52

until my late 20s. I had one

20:54

family member say, if anything could happen to you, it's

20:56

going to happen to you. Like if anything can happen,

20:58

it happens to Nancy because it was

21:01

just one blow after another

21:03

after another. And

21:06

it really,

21:10

I mean, I, I've lost count of the times

21:12

that I tried to unalive myself. Wow.

21:16

Starting at age eight. However,

21:20

if I did not have all

21:22

of that stuff happening, and we're talking

21:24

very, I mean, just things

21:26

that you're just like, what the hell was that happening?

21:29

But because of that, I can emphasize.

21:32

And I think that's the big difference.

21:34

I think that you

21:37

have people in the industry and I can't

21:39

even think of anyone because honestly, I don't

21:42

really, I don't pay attention. I focus

21:45

on my, that's, I focus on

21:47

the positivity, but you do. One, one

21:50

thing that stopped me from

21:52

doing it before was

21:54

that I thought that I had to be

21:56

that, that hooded

21:59

cloak and mirror. kind of miss, you

22:01

know, mystical person, and here I am,

22:04

marathoner, athlete,

22:07

all around dork. Like,

22:09

how did I fit? Like, I don't

22:12

look like a traditional psychic. And

22:15

I think being

22:19

real and honest about our

22:21

own challenges, A, I think

22:24

it helps people open up. But

22:26

B, I think it has

22:29

helped. Now, I have had

22:31

these abilities my entire life. And

22:35

people have these abilities

22:37

all over the world, millions of people, doctors,

22:40

veterinarians, I've talked to several

22:42

veterinarians, clients that have these

22:45

abilities, doctors, there's teachers routinely

22:48

will have abilities, plumbers,

22:51

moms, you it's

22:55

come from all walks of life. I once

22:57

had a client that was a neurosurgeon in

23:01

a very big city. And she came to me

23:03

as a psychic. And of course, I'm going, I

23:06

had to pick her brain literally invigorably, I guess,

23:08

maybe not literally at the end. And

23:10

I said, How do you reason this? And

23:13

I'll never forget what she said. She said that

23:15

first of all, we

23:18

don't understand the brain. She said, we understand five

23:20

to 10% of the brain. She

23:22

said, we really know nothing about the

23:24

brain, what we know we know well,

23:27

but we don't understand it. And

23:30

second of all, she, it was

23:32

of her opinion, with her knowledge, that

23:35

people like me, that

23:38

this comes from,

23:40

it's a genetic link. But it

23:42

also comes from our hunter gatherer days, where

23:46

she believes we all had these abilities.

23:48

And that's how we survived. We

23:51

had these instincts to be able to

23:53

catch prey or whatever, we had the

23:55

instincts to maybe find shelter when

23:57

there was rain or whatever we we

24:00

all had these

24:02

abilities. And over

24:04

time, she said, as we became

24:06

more not modernized, but we mess

24:09

our table down, started to settle

24:11

down into villages and communities, we

24:13

did. And so these abilities went

24:16

dormant. And that's why

24:19

it was fascinating what she said, because you

24:21

will hear people that have near death experiences,

24:23

NDEs, and then they have abilities, or you

24:25

have people go through something and then they

24:28

have abilities that would be that part of

24:30

the brain that has been dormant

24:32

that goes away. So

24:34

it was really fascinating to

24:36

hear a neurosurgeon's point

24:40

of view, because to me, it makes a lot

24:42

of sense, because I can look at my genetic

24:45

background, and I can see on both sides, that

24:49

we have had abilities. My great,

24:51

great grandfather on my

24:54

maternal side was a

24:56

healer. He actually started a

24:58

movement in Southern California in the early

25:01

1900s, I'm going to mispronounce the

25:03

name, but it was the Pasog House, Pasog

25:05

House, Pasog movement. He

25:07

was a doctor. And then he,

25:09

he had an accent

25:12

and he was healed and he

25:14

healed, thousands of people would come to

25:16

him for healing. And then

25:18

on my paternal side, I have

25:21

had ancestors come to

25:23

me and speak in another language and explain

25:25

how they were healing. So it's

25:28

not something that's

25:31

talked about them. And in

25:33

fact, in my

25:35

family, it is

25:38

what I'm doing is not not

25:42

not okay, and it's not accepted.

25:45

Because we don't we don't talk about things like this.

25:49

But I felt

25:52

like this was the only way for

25:54

me to live. Because

25:58

if I cannot use these

26:00

abilities for good or use like, I

26:03

cannot run away from something that I have and

26:06

I really consider it a

26:08

calling. I will be doing

26:10

this the rest of my life. I am called

26:12

to do it. And

26:16

I don't know how many others use that

26:19

phrase in

26:21

this community. I

26:24

think that we need

26:27

a lot more honesty and

26:30

transparency. Well, it has to be really hard too,

26:32

right? Because it is still

26:35

considered pretty fringe and woo and

26:38

I'm sure there's a lot of social

26:40

consequences for coming out as someone

26:42

that has these abilities. I think the first

26:44

thing is to write you off as a

26:47

crazy person or you're somehow detached from reality

26:49

and then somehow people have you entirely figured

26:51

out and wanna discard you because of that.

26:53

So then if you're fighting that and like

26:56

who you actually are, of course there's gonna

26:58

be an impasse and of course there's

27:01

going to be something like depression

27:03

or anxiety or unworthiness.

27:06

Like you pick the label and there's gonna be

27:08

a host of those for just simply not being

27:10

able to be who you are. And

27:12

when we were talking, I felt like you

27:15

had said something that there's a lot of

27:17

similarities between you and I. And it probably

27:20

sounds silly off the jump to

27:22

some people because you're like, wait, a psychic slash animal

27:24

communicator and someone that was in the adult industry but

27:27

there are certain communities that kind of live

27:29

and have always existed on the fringes of

27:31

society and that doesn't mean that

27:33

they're bad and that doesn't mean

27:35

that they're not worthy of at

27:37

least curiosity and instead

27:40

of judgment. And I

27:42

think we do have a lot in common. What

27:45

struck me about you when I was speaking

27:47

to you about your

27:49

sweet pup and

27:51

also just in general is A, how well spoken

27:53

you were and B, how

27:56

you were

27:58

really trying to legitimize. what

28:02

you're doing now and

28:05

how you are showing people

28:08

another side of yourself and

28:10

saying, this is who I

28:12

am. Welcome. And

28:15

I find for myself as

28:17

well, when I

28:19

am off the clock, so to speak, I

28:22

call it psychic Nancy and friend Nancy. And

28:25

I think for you, you can relate as

28:27

well. When you're off the clock of whatever

28:29

you're doing, you're off. You're no longer that

28:31

character, if you will, or that part

28:33

of yourself, if you will. Like

28:35

for when I was talking to you, I was like, wait,

28:37

you had you have a different name. Like I was very,

28:39

actually a lot of people in this industry,

28:42

in my industry will go by different

28:44

names. I, this is

28:46

my name. I was born with the name

28:48

Nancy Mello. I do not include my married

28:50

name. That's the only thing I don't share,

28:52

but that's only because my children are in

28:54

school. And that's enough right there.

28:57

But yeah, I

29:00

find it's interesting because I, and

29:03

it's been, and I think you can

29:05

say the name, it's been hard in relationships. Because

29:08

it's like, no, no, no, you're

29:11

Candace. You're Candace. Like

29:13

that's you. You're not, you're not doing

29:15

this. You're Candace. Hi. And you want

29:17

people to love and accept you as

29:20

you are. And for

29:22

me, it's been very hard in

29:24

female friendships. Really?

29:26

Oh yeah. It's especially, so

29:29

my spouse is, he

29:32

just recently retired from the

29:34

Navy as a Navy submariner.

29:38

And another reason why

29:40

I went by my maiden name is

29:42

I didn't want it to affect his

29:44

career. And now as often is, after

29:46

you retire from military, you get your

29:48

second job. And people

29:51

at his job still do not know what

29:53

I do. He refers

29:55

to me. I, I'm

29:57

a consultant and that's what I call

29:59

myself. And I don't I would

30:01

be interesting to ask if you if you

30:04

said a different name for what you did Did

30:06

you ever go by another name? Or

30:08

did you own it? No, so

30:11

I there is this illusion especially

30:13

back when I started I think now It's

30:15

a little bit more obvious But that there

30:17

was an option of anonymity that

30:19

if you used a different name that you would

30:21

be able to kind of protect What you were

30:23

doing and that doesn't exist So the internet is

30:26

just too vast and people are too eager to

30:28

be the one that gotcha So

30:30

it will be a matter of minutes before someone

30:32

does a deep dive and knows, you know your

30:34

blood type That

30:37

is the unfortunate reality But I

30:39

mean there's obviously some beautiful things about it

30:41

like you and I were able to connect so it's

30:43

kind of used the tool And don't let the tool

30:45

use you so even though I had

30:47

a different name It's pretty much

30:50

people find out really quick. I was actually

30:52

talking to my neighbor and Our

30:55

kids play together and she was talking about how

30:57

she was googling someone recently She's like I never

30:59

Google someone but I was googling someone and she

31:01

went to this school and she does this and

31:04

she's this very prestigious person I

31:06

had no idea this whole time that we're grabbing coffee

31:08

together and she said I think I'm gonna start googling

31:10

everyone I Was like, oh god Oh

31:13

god, it's gonna be minutes away But

31:16

there's still some anxiety and I don't know that that

31:18

will ever go away I work on it because I

31:21

know it's my own stuff because if I was entirely

31:24

Sure of everything then it

31:27

wouldn't have an effect if you kind

31:29

of take that stoic approach but

31:31

there's also the version of reality is that

31:33

this does have implications on my family and

31:36

My community and that needs

31:38

to be taken into account and

31:41

all of that being said I think

31:43

it's a great filtration process and I'm

31:45

sure you probably agree and it is

31:47

the quickest way to realize who is

31:49

for you And who is not for

31:51

you and that the most piece that

31:53

I've gotten is getting as close

31:55

to Radical acceptance for the path

31:58

that I chose and the decision that

32:00

I've made and who I am fundamentally.

32:03

And when I do that, I can

32:05

accept everyone that falls away. I can

32:07

accept every opportunity that doesn't come through

32:09

fruition and know that it's for me.

32:11

So you have to constantly say like

32:14

God or the universe, whatever you

32:16

wanna call it is for you,

32:18

wants you to be fulfilled, happy,

32:21

thriving, wants to see you play.

32:23

So something that can feel like

32:25

utter heartbreak, devastation, victimhood

32:28

mentality, reframe that, truly reframe

32:31

it. It's not a trick,

32:33

I believe that to be the truth. So

32:36

you can say, I'm not

32:38

trying to minimize anyone's trauma or

32:41

minimize anyone's bad

32:43

luck, but you have the

32:45

power and it is a superpower

32:47

truly if you can reframe it

32:49

into something positive. So I

32:52

had another long way of saying, yes, I have

32:54

another name, but I think it was kind of

32:56

useless and going into

32:58

certain, I

33:00

guess, whether it's like a

33:02

different functions, dinners or meetings or

33:05

meetups, whatever it is, you kind of

33:07

have to curate different introductions for yourself

33:09

and it's not necessary, it's not lying.

33:11

It's just like, what is the version

33:13

of me that is the most appropriate

33:15

here? So maybe it's mom, maybe it's

33:17

podcaster, maybe it's I was in the

33:19

adult industry, maybe it's investor. All of

33:21

these things are true, but no one

33:23

really, at least out of

33:25

the gate, wants the whole version of you.

33:27

They just want the specific, what can I

33:30

focus on, what do we have in common,

33:32

just to start building that relationship

33:34

and that foundation of trust. And then

33:36

you can start peppering and the fun

33:38

stuff and kind of wait and see

33:40

how they react. So

33:42

it was interesting. My family and

33:44

I were on a nine day

33:46

trip overseas, a cruise this

33:49

summer. And we, in

33:51

the first few days, met a family

33:53

with similar age kids and we just

33:55

fell in love with each other and

33:57

they were the absolute best. And...

34:00

And this woman was

34:02

a doctor and her spouse

34:04

is a professor.

34:09

And I was feeling close enough. I remember saying I'm

34:11

a consultant and she going, well, what kind of consultant?

34:13

I'm just, oh, I work with people all around the

34:15

world, which is all true. And

34:18

we were getting to that closeness though,

34:20

where we're having dinners together. Our kids

34:22

are meeting up after tours. And

34:24

finally, and I told my husband

34:27

beforehand, because if they were going to

34:29

walk away, they were going to walk away. And so

34:31

of course I always consult my best friend, my love.

34:34

Okay. I think I

34:36

want to tell her. And he said, okay, you

34:38

know, of course he's always supportive. So

34:40

I remember telling her and

34:43

she, I think

34:46

I'm always expecting the worst because that's what I'm used

34:48

to. But I remember she

34:51

was, she didn't respond right

34:53

away. And then I think it

34:55

was the next morning that we got to talk and she said,

34:57

first of all, she was so thankful that she was, that I

34:59

told her and she said, you know,

35:01

she said, I feel that way as a doctor. And

35:04

I said, what? And she said,

35:06

yeah. She said, because as soon as

35:08

I say doctor, someone is telling me

35:10

about the sore in their mouth about

35:12

the knee pain about, she said, once

35:15

she says doctor, she says she's typecast. And

35:18

it was such a reality check

35:20

for me because here I am

35:22

thinking they're not going

35:24

to want to be friends with us. And you

35:26

know, that, that whole high school mentality. And

35:30

yet here she was feeling

35:33

very similar about one of

35:35

the most respected professions that

35:37

there can be in society's

35:40

standards. And yet

35:42

I had never even thought about the fact

35:45

that when someone says I'm a

35:47

doctor that all of a sudden they

35:49

get TMI. Yeah. And

35:54

then I thought, well, what about

35:56

lawyers? Lawyers have to be similar. So it's, it's

35:58

interesting. Like you say, when you reframe

36:01

it and you go, yeah, we

36:04

have to do things a little differently, but we're not

36:06

the only ones. We

36:09

just, there may be, as you

36:11

say, like there may, there just may be a little

36:13

bit more, you know, no one's going to be skeptical

36:15

of you if you're a doctor. But

36:18

at the same time, we

36:21

all are being cautious and

36:25

we all are being protective

36:28

of our energy because

36:30

once that information comes out, it

36:34

can go many different ways. And

36:37

in fact, of course, one of the days we went

36:39

on a tour and one of the kids got hurt,

36:41

not horribly, but of course she immediately slipped into doctor

36:44

mode. But that isn't any

36:46

different than if something

36:48

happened, a dog

36:50

was lost down the street and immediately I'm

36:52

going to click into animal communicator mode. So

36:56

it's really, I don't

37:00

want to say it sounds silly, but really neat

37:02

to me to, to know

37:04

that there are other people that

37:07

feel the same way. And maybe they're

37:09

in normal professions, but they go through

37:11

the same crap. I

37:13

feel it's not going to, it still doesn't make me, it

37:15

still doesn't make me want to share it. In fact, I

37:19

have, I have a weekend coming up and I

37:21

don't think my daughter listens to the podcast. So

37:23

that's okay. I'm surprising my daughter with

37:25

a trip to New York for her birthday. We don't

37:27

live that far away. It's not that fabulous. Like it's

37:29

not like we're, we're, I'm flying her across the country.

37:32

But I live in Connecticut and I'm surprising her to go

37:35

down to New York for the weekend. And she has

37:37

a friend that she met

37:39

on a trip that's going to be joining us. And

37:42

this friend and his

37:44

mom are very Christian

37:48

and she's a respectful profession. She's

37:50

a, she's, she's a type of

37:53

doctor. And I

37:56

did not want them to say with us because

37:59

I, I think

38:04

it worked because I was afraid she'd see my

38:06

office. And

38:10

it sucks that that's the way it is for

38:12

now. But I know as

38:14

I grow more confident in my own self

38:16

that it's going to be very easy. And

38:19

like you say, it's going to kind of, you

38:21

know, it'll just be one of those things where,

38:24

okay, you're not for me, but it's different with

38:26

kids. It's when it affects

38:28

your kids, it's an extra turn in

38:30

that knife. Yeah, because you don't want

38:32

to hurt their relationships. And I've always

38:34

told my kids, you

38:37

know, I do not want what

38:40

I do to affect them as

38:43

much as possible. As much as possible,

38:46

which is inevitable. Unfortunately, what's

38:48

interesting with the

38:50

Christian hesitation to anything psychic

38:52

or, quote, magic. And

38:55

then I guess

38:57

I would say it's kind of newer, the

39:00

relationship that they put it to evil or

39:02

the devil or whatever, because there's this book,

39:05

it's called The Sacred

39:07

Cross and the Mushroom or something like

39:10

that. I bought it for my husband

39:12

downstairs. And it's about one of the

39:15

one of the founding branches

39:17

of Christianity is actually based off

39:19

of psychedelics and fertility rituals. And

39:21

it kind of took a lot

39:23

from the pagans. And it's

39:26

not what you would say now. So

39:28

if they were to read those origin

39:30

stories, I think that they would kind

39:32

of fall off their seat and they

39:34

say, wait, we had Christians that were

39:36

doing mushrooms and we had they had

39:39

these giant wine vessels that were laced

39:41

with psychedelic drugs. And then the priest

39:43

would drink that and take cannabis and

39:46

they'd smoke the cannabis in the

39:48

lanterns and fill up the chapel.

39:51

So we've come

39:53

we've definitely come a different

39:55

way. I want to go to that

39:57

kind of service where we're like. Let's

40:00

do that. Why aren't we doing that now? I think

40:03

a lot of people would go to church Yes,

40:06

it's like I mean do

40:08

a little bit more more of a deep

40:10

dive into like the the foundations

40:12

of the religion then also isn't

40:14

no judgment part of it and

40:17

Everyone no one is free of sin or flaw

40:19

and maybe you just approach things as we're all

40:22

people just trying to figure this out And

40:24

do the best that we can and then

40:27

when you mentioned that the relationships

40:29

with with females were a little

40:31

bit that those were the harder ones

40:33

I found that to be interesting because Is

40:36

it because they're trying to get you to do parlor

40:38

tricks or is it because they're like no there's no

40:40

way that's not real With that they

40:43

believed you and then kind of were taking

40:45

advantage of it or they were just thought

40:47

you were crazy It's been both so in

40:49

the military spouse community it's been

40:51

very much like I am NOT in

40:53

the box and And we cannot

40:57

associate with each other because I am no longer in the

40:59

box So and and

41:01

and not all military spouses. I don't want

41:03

to put it all but foot but in

41:05

certain communities It would be very much I

41:08

need to be in a box and that's that's the

41:10

only way that people can see me as The

41:14

other side of it is yeah,

41:16

I am I have for instance

41:18

I have a lovely friend and

41:20

I adore her but every

41:23

time I see her She's

41:25

asking me something and I to

41:27

be fair. I've done a session with

41:29

her I've done a reading for her,

41:31

but it's every single time and she

41:34

Emotionally unloads on me and

41:37

even if she's not asking me specific questions. She

41:39

is giving me all of that and If

41:43

you follow me on social media, you know,

41:45

I joke I what do I do to

41:47

de-trust I watch reality TV I watch Housewives

41:50

and I work out and so

41:52

when I am in friend Nancy Mode if

41:54

there is an emergency if there is something, you

41:56

know, I was for instance. I was catching

41:58

up with a friend and we were speaking for

42:00

two hours and she said, hey, can I ask you

42:02

a psychic question? Like she's, we were stopping. Hey, can

42:05

I ask you something? Yeah, of

42:07

course. But this other

42:10

friend who just unloads on me every

42:12

single time and it's just like, I

42:14

can't be around people like that. I

42:16

have no energy for it. So

42:18

yeah, I think it is a little

42:21

of both. I either have women that

42:23

absolutely want

42:25

nothing to do with me because if

42:27

they are friends with me, then everyone else will judge them.

42:30

Or I have other women

42:32

that just think I am

42:35

a psychic hotline. And there's

42:38

no judgment in either. I have

42:40

love and understanding

42:42

for those women because we've

42:44

all been there. In fact, that's why I started

42:46

because I was in such a deep depression and

42:48

I just wanted someone to tell me it was

42:51

okay. And I respect those times.

42:53

And in fact, I had one of

42:55

those days last week where I just needed someone to

42:57

tell me, it's okay, you're going to get out of

43:00

this. And in those situations, all

43:02

my love to you and I will say what I'm

43:05

hearing, but when you continuously are just

43:08

asking for things, and I think sometimes

43:10

it happens on a subconscious level, because

43:12

it's like, for instance, my doctor friend,

43:15

who, if you know

43:17

your friend's a doctor, well, when something happens,

43:19

you're probably going to text them first. So

43:22

it's understandable. But also just like

43:24

in another profession, we have

43:26

our we have our off switch. And

43:29

that was another thing I found really interesting is that,

43:31

and for I guess for me, it's obvious, because I've

43:33

always been, but people don't realize that we're not on

43:35

24 seven. As when

43:38

I'm done with this podcast, I'm done when I

43:40

am done with a session, I am I'm I

43:42

switch off. And I am not

43:44

sensing that would be exhausting to sense all

43:46

the time. So when when when I am

43:48

speaking to another woman, and they're like, immediately,

43:51

you know, it I

43:53

need I need to be off,

43:55

I need to recharge. But it's,

43:57

yeah, it's just, it's been interesting.

44:00

situations and then mentally I am I

44:02

am neurodivergent. I was diagnosed

44:04

with ADHD way back in the very

44:06

beginning in the 90s but I'm almost

44:08

positive I am on the spectrum because

44:10

I just don't get things sometimes. Like

44:12

with them we'll say something I'm like

44:14

what? I really

44:17

like I don't get it. I

44:20

don't sometimes like I don't pick up social cues

44:22

and that's why I love my

44:24

best friend my partner who like

44:26

I'll ask him like I don't I don't

44:28

get what they're saying or did I misunderstand

44:31

this? So sometimes it's me just going what

44:34

what are you what are you asking?

44:36

I genuinely don't get it. I don't

44:38

get what what what

44:40

the meaning is. Do

44:43

you um do you have any protocols

44:45

that you do for your ADHD or

44:47

your depression? Like are you doing so

44:50

there's this uh book I

44:52

read it was called um oh

44:54

my goodness the boy crisis I want to

44:56

say it's the same one of the same authors that

44:58

wrote men are from Mars women are from Venus and

45:00

he kind of did the end part and it was

45:03

all on ADHD and ADD and

45:05

alternative therapies and he highly recommends

45:07

cold therapy for that and then

45:09

I'm sure you're well aware of

45:11

a lot of the research with

45:13

maps and what they're doing with

45:15

psilocybin specifically and depression. So

45:18

I have been on an

45:20

antidepressant for a decade and

45:23

it's a small dose and it works for

45:25

me and it's my maintenance dose so I

45:28

am on a antidepressant but it is

45:30

under a doctor's care and I'm comfortable with it

45:33

and I actually

45:35

so I I I'm a good girl or

45:37

quotation right I followed I drew in the

45:39

lines I tried again because I didn't want

45:42

to stick out and it's

45:44

ironic uh before pot was legalized

45:46

I I probably did it as

45:49

much on you know as as many times as we

45:51

have fingers on both hands and

45:54

honestly it's been the last year that

45:56

I have started doing gummies on

45:58

my days off and after sessions and

46:01

sometimes I'll do like a like a maintenance

46:04

dose like a like a really

46:06

like a tiny dose and sometimes I will do

46:08

I never do much but it's enough to turn

46:10

my brain off and it was actually I admitted

46:13

it to my therapist and she

46:15

thought it was great she said because I don't

46:18

admittedly I don't drink much maybe once

46:20

in a while but that's kind of my glass of wine

46:22

and she said you need something to turn your brain off

46:25

as long you know and I do it responsibly so

46:28

I do gummies I

46:31

have not gone into the other

46:33

stuff only because honestly I haven't

46:35

had the time and I when I do go

46:37

into that stuff I you know of course I

46:39

want it to be safe and everything and I

46:41

want it to be you know and it's hard

46:43

when you have kids plant you

46:46

know even going into that there's

46:48

another thing that I'm really fascinated

46:50

and I'm like ketamine I'm interested

46:52

in the research on ketamine I

46:54

think that's fantastic interestingly

46:56

enough we were in the Baltics

46:58

this summer and in Finland everyone

47:00

knows about the sauna and

47:05

so I have explored

47:07

heat therapy as well or even just

47:09

kind of like sweating it out but

47:12

I do the same thing with fitness

47:14

I work out very hard because that

47:17

is how I turn

47:20

that part of my brain off or I get

47:22

exhausted enough that my mind and

47:24

also honestly music I listen to a lot

47:26

of EDM and it

47:29

just it for my

47:31

ADD brain it's like for neurodivergent

47:33

purse people that's supposed to be

47:35

great yeah it's it's I've been

47:37

into EDM since last

47:40

25 years and in particular like

47:42

German techno it's just it's

47:44

something about it where you and I'm

47:46

not I again I've been to

47:48

only so many clubs in my life but

47:50

there's something about listening to EDM music that

47:52

just it just I'm it's

47:55

one of the few things that can quiet my brain so

47:58

some traditional stuff some non-traditional

48:00

stuff, but I

48:02

think, you know, as so

48:05

many doctor clients have told me, our

48:08

bodies, every body is slightly different. We are all

48:10

working in slightly different ways. You have to find

48:12

what works for you. And for me right now

48:14

at this time in my life, a

48:17

prescription antidepressant works for

48:19

me because it keeps me at that level. Will I

48:21

always be on it? Absolutely not. Just like when I'm

48:23

talking to a client and we talk about possibly

48:27

putting their pet on like a Prozac or

48:29

something. And I always say I'm not a

48:31

veterinarian, but if I'm seeing behaviors that there's

48:33

like, I'm like, okay, we, I can help

48:35

change those behaviors and help them

48:38

realize it. But at some point there

48:40

needs to be time to heal and

48:42

sometimes, and again, not a

48:45

doctor, but sometimes I feel like sometimes putting

48:47

your brain on the break, putting a break

48:49

on your brain a little bit and taking

48:51

something so your brain can heal. So the

48:53

synapses can, can, can

48:56

grow or start lighting up again is

48:59

a good thing. So I, but

49:02

I don't have any judgment. I really don't.

49:04

I, I loved Ritalin. Like I, oh my

49:07

God, Ritalin saved my life as a, as

49:09

a high schooler in the early nineties and

49:11

in college, I would not have graduated without

49:13

Ritalin. I mean, it was amazing.

49:16

Just the, just being able to like focus

49:19

in, but the same can be said for music

49:21

now. Yeah, it's interesting.

49:23

There's like so many different modalities that you

49:25

can kind of explore to try to see

49:27

what works best for you because obviously everyone

49:29

is different for sure. Do

49:31

you think, do you think everyone has kind of

49:33

always had the ability or has the ability to

49:36

tap into some psychic intuition, even because there's this

49:38

clip going around right now, I don't know if

49:40

you saw it and it's, it's one of those

49:42

ones that you watch and like, especially

49:45

as a mom. So it's this young,

49:47

like younger adult man, and he's talking

49:49

about this story, uh, back when he

49:51

was in high school and he was

49:53

getting ready for school and his mom

49:55

came in and said, you're

49:58

not, you're not going to school today. And

50:00

he's like, why? We're just, we're going to go.

50:02

It's a field trip. We're going to just kind

50:05

of eat and shop and explore this downtown area.

50:07

We're not even going to be to school. We

50:09

hop straight on the bus and

50:11

we're going out to the field trip, not even

50:13

going to school. And she

50:15

takes a pause and she goes,

50:17

so you're not going to school. You're, you're

50:20

going straight from the bus and you're going

50:22

somewhere else. And he's like, yeah,

50:24

not going to school at all. We're not even stopping there. And

50:26

she's like, okay, okay. You can

50:29

go as long as you don't go to

50:31

school. And then that day the school had

50:33

a shooting and there were

50:35

casualties. And I think he was saying one of

50:37

them was even his, what would have been his

50:39

classroom. And I'm,

50:41

I have goosebumps right now, but it's this,

50:44

this isn't an abnormal story. You hear stories

50:46

about moms specifically and women specifically that are

50:48

like, I don't know about that. I don't

50:50

know about that. Ali. I don't know about

50:53

that person. I don't know about that

50:55

event. Like maybe we'll just stay home and

50:58

so many of us ignore it. And then we're like,

51:00

ding, I shouldn't, I should have listened. So

51:03

I feel like we are

51:05

tapped into some kind of information network

51:07

that we can't see, but we feel.

51:09

And then our big dumb brains try

51:11

to over intellectualize it and ignore it

51:14

and override it and think that we

51:16

know better. Well, and

51:18

that would make sense with the

51:20

neurosurgeon who said that is

51:23

still in our brain. It's just dormant. I

51:26

absolutely, I always say there's no

51:28

coincidences and always, always trust

51:30

your instinct. Now the caveat to that

51:32

is those of us with anxiety, raise

51:34

your hand. Hello. Because the anxiety will

51:36

go, no, no, no emergency emergency. Like

51:38

I have not gotten on planes before

51:41

because of anxiety. But was it the fact that

51:43

something happened to a plane? Absolutely not.

51:46

It was me not wanting to leave my kids or there

51:48

was, and that's why therapy

51:50

is such a good thing

51:53

and understanding like why and

51:55

those triggers because anxiety can

51:57

be mistaken for that instinct.

52:00

So I'm a blood clot survivor. One

52:04

of my other million things that's happened to me,

52:06

I'm being proposed, but I

52:08

had a blood clot when I was pregnant and

52:10

they missed it four times. And

52:14

it was interesting though because similar

52:16

where I'm a runner or I

52:19

was and there was this

52:23

pain and they kept saying I was

52:27

anxious, that there was nothing wrong and that you

52:30

pulled it when you're running. And I said, no, this is

52:32

a different pain. And I

52:34

was dismissed, I'm not kidding by 10 doctors.

52:38

I'm not kidding. I began

52:41

not being able to sleep at night because

52:43

I was so afraid I was going to die. I

52:46

was so afraid I was going to pass in my sleep. And

52:48

of course, anyone that knows blood clots,

52:50

so DBT, deep vein thrombosis

52:52

is in the leg. And then what happens is

52:55

it breaks off and it goes into a PE,

52:57

a pulmonary embolism. That's the cause

52:59

of death for blood clots or strokes,

53:01

which is in the brain, breaks off. But

53:03

I think doctors say the majority of them start in the legs, if

53:06

not all of them start in the legs. And

53:08

I kept, I was afraid to sleep. I

53:10

went to the ER three times and I had, yeah. But

53:16

something just kept saying this,

53:19

like, it's a clot, it's a clot,

53:21

it's a clot. And I'll never forget the

53:23

day I went in, the evening I went in and my

53:25

husband was so irritated with me. And

53:29

I just said, I think I need to go in. And

53:31

he's like, fine, whatever. And it was like a Saturday night

53:33

or something. And I

53:35

went in and thank God for that doctor. Because I

53:37

had actually had a previous ultrasound the day before at

53:40

another clinic. And this

53:43

doctor, this doctor on call saved my life

53:45

because he looked and I told him the

53:47

truth. I said, we just had one yesterday.

53:49

And he said, yeah, I'll never forget. This is old white guy. And

53:51

he's like, yeah, why not? And

53:54

he kind of shrugged. And I went in to

53:56

get the ultrasound study and it was actually a

53:58

tech that had done a previous ultrasound. Because

54:00

I was getting numb at this point and

54:03

I remember just pleading with him like please like

54:05

don't don't think about the previous Ultrasound and I

54:07

remember him putting his hand on me and going

54:09

don't worry every every

54:12

Ultrasound is is fresh and

54:15

he actually He found it

54:17

within minutes and wow me and he

54:19

wasn't supposed to which is why I won't mention his name But

54:21

he wasn't me too and he said I found it He

54:24

just said I'm not supposed to tell you act like

54:26

you don't anything but I found it and I just

54:28

remember just sobbing because I knew I knew

54:31

and It

54:36

can instinct like that feelings like

54:38

that can will save your

54:40

life and As

54:43

a doctor when I was pregnant said it's better to

54:45

go to the ER and have them think you're crazy

54:47

than dead. So Never

54:51

especially when your body is sending you

54:53

a single Signal never

54:55

ever has saved you going never

54:58

because worst case they just send you back,

55:00

you know best case

55:03

they save your life, but Even

55:06

speaking as an evidential medium. I Feel

55:09

like once a week once every couple weeks. I'm speaking

55:11

to someone this past that said I should have gone

55:14

in Wow, you know, I

55:16

had this feeling and they'll talk they'll be talking

55:18

to their loved ones I had symptoms six weeks

55:20

prior, but I didn't want to go to the

55:22

doctor if you Feel

55:24

like something is wrong and not

55:26

just physically but if you feel like I shouldn't get

55:28

in the car Trust it. There's

55:31

the idea of pronoia, which is the idea.

55:33

It's opposite of paranoia So paranoia is everyone's

55:35

out to get you. Pronoia is the universe

55:37

is working in your favor So

55:41

if you get stopped at a stoplight Trust

55:43

it if you decide to go another way trust

55:45

it. You don't have to overthink it, but there's always

55:48

a reason always Have

55:50

you seen there was I spend

55:52

way too much time on social media as you

55:54

can tell there was this really well

55:57

done clip and it was this guy and

55:59

he was dressed in all black

56:01

and he looked kind of menacing and

56:04

just a mean expression stomping through the

56:06

streets and he would see these no

56:09

one kind of no one saw him really coming

56:11

but someone would be coming out the door and

56:13

he'd trip him and it

56:16

would look really mean but and the guys like what

56:18

the hell and then all of a sudden a car

56:20

drove by and he would have gotten hit or there's

56:22

like a little kid and he'll shove him and then

56:24

same kind of same kind of deal and there's

56:27

just like all of these situations where you

56:29

would see what the heck

56:32

is wrong with this guy but he's

56:34

actually he's actually there to protect

56:36

him it's like sometimes this is

56:38

what your angels look like so

56:40

not to think that again anything

56:42

happening is happening to you and after

56:44

I saw that this is gonna sound

56:47

crazy but after I saw that video

56:49

and I was like well it's a

56:51

much different perspective to take and throughout your

56:53

day my oldest was making us run

56:55

late of course because as you know leaving the

56:57

house is like a it's a whole series of

56:59

events it's never just like get in the car

57:01

so it's like oh I forgot my shoes I

57:03

need that water bottle not this water bottle I

57:05

don't want that jacket so we're running late and

57:07

like they're gonna close the gate at school we

57:09

got to go we got to go and

57:13

I have to go to Whole Foods after this

57:15

and I'm kind of like trying to get him

57:17

to hurry up so I do a drop off

57:19

and we're already late and he's like mama I

57:21

really want to show you my classroom today can

57:23

you come in for a couple minutes and I

57:25

was like okay come show

57:27

me your classroom so I decided to just

57:29

surrender to that moment I'm already late and

57:31

this is a an amazing moment I don't

57:34

want to miss that because of my idea

57:36

of time so I go in and I

57:38

stay there for about 15 minutes and

57:41

then I get back in the car go to

57:43

head to the grocery store there's this

57:45

intersection that you have to go through

57:47

to get to the grocery store and

57:49

I take it every single time and

57:51

there was a massive pile up like

57:54

a fresh massive pile up and I

57:56

was just like whoa obviously

57:58

I don't know when it happened But like the

58:00

cops and stuff were just getting there and I'm like that

58:03

could have been me that could have been my car that

58:05

was just t-boned and That

58:07

happened twice that week at

58:10

the same intersection and both times I decided

58:12

to kind of go with the flow and

58:14

follow my child's lead with everything and I

58:16

was like this is Creepy

58:20

and I was like, I'm just going to

58:22

decide to Just

58:24

like go Go

58:27

with everything instead of fighting it instead of

58:29

like imposing my own link demands and needs

58:31

and pressures and to-do lists So it's not

58:33

to say I'm abandoning time or anything like

58:35

that But it's just appreciate the moments that

58:37

are in front of you and then trust

58:39

that they're all for you But

58:42

I also want to say that when things do

58:44

happen they They're

58:47

there for a reason so

58:50

Yes, there are remarkable times and there are

58:52

times that we we miss

58:55

But when things do happen when you get

58:58

in that car accident when your child gets

59:00

sick when you get COVID, whatever it is

59:04

It's about learning through it and as Sylvia

59:06

Brown used to say when you have a

59:08

lesson it's either a It's

59:11

to use the the cracks analogy. It's either

59:14

a dented bumper or it's

59:16

a collision and So

59:19

I find it's just like they say like

59:21

those people in car accidents that survive are

59:23

the ones who are most relaxed And

59:26

so if something is happening and there's no

59:28

way there's nothing you can do in it

59:30

to do to prevent it You

59:32

just relaxing into it. I have found

59:36

the best The

59:40

but not the best resolution but I have found

59:42

that it it makes it slightly easier

59:44

if Some crap

59:46

is happening to just let

59:48

it flow Louise Hay has a

59:50

Louise Hay had a saying Let's

59:53

let the river flow and I like

59:55

to think of it not as a river because who's on the

59:57

river anymore But I like to think of it

59:59

like a rollercoaster coaster and

1:00:01

you're on this roller coaster and you get to the top and

1:00:04

you're gonna go down and you know that you're

1:00:06

going down no matter what. Do you hold on

1:00:09

tight knowing that you're going down or do

1:00:11

you put your hands up in the air? And

1:00:14

I will do that actually like during

1:00:17

the day if I feel like I am trying to control

1:00:19

too much I put my hands up in the air because

1:00:21

there's nothing you can do. When

1:00:24

something is happening people

1:00:26

are gonna get sick people are going to pass

1:00:28

animals are going things are gonna happen.

1:00:30

They it's not they're

1:00:33

not always there it doesn't

1:00:35

mean that the universe isn't with you it doesn't mean

1:00:38

that the universe isn't supporting you it just means that

1:00:40

you're learning from it. I would

1:00:42

not be here physically talking to you

1:00:44

right now if I had not had

1:00:46

every single crap thing happen. So

1:00:51

embracing what happens and instead of saying

1:00:53

why me say what what am I

1:00:55

learning from this and it

1:00:57

may not happen right away if you're grieving or

1:00:59

whatever but you

1:01:02

know it's almost like you have to

1:01:04

laugh about it for instance I I have been

1:01:06

so careful with with COVID and I

1:01:09

went to two and a half years without catching it

1:01:11

so my family and I decided to go on a

1:01:13

vacation this past summer and we went

1:01:15

to Rome and it was amazing and

1:01:18

we get back and

1:01:20

I tested positive for COVID right away.

1:01:23

And all I did was start to laugh because

1:01:26

here I'd gone two and a half years not doing anything and

1:01:28

I finally go I'm gonna live my life I'm gonna put my

1:01:30

hands up in the air and I get COVID okay

1:01:33

you know like what are you gonna do

1:01:35

like I just laughed and to be honest

1:01:38

it was probably more of just like what

1:01:40

the hell like it just you know but

1:01:42

honestly like okay all right all

1:01:44

right what are

1:01:46

you gonna do and I think just surrendering is

1:01:49

so powerful it's

1:01:52

it's the most power one of the most powerful

1:01:54

things we can do for ourselves especially

1:01:56

with people with anxiety and depression because with

1:01:58

people with anxiety and depression and we want to control

1:02:00

it because that's how we feel better. But

1:02:03

sometimes it makes it worse. So

1:02:05

just okay. Hands up.

1:02:10

Feels good. For sure. It's a

1:02:12

lot better than gripping on in my

1:02:15

experience as well. It's like we really

1:02:17

fight for any amount of perceived control

1:02:19

that we think we have, and then

1:02:22

just surrendering to whatever it is and it's what

1:02:24

is this doing for me? What can I learn?

1:02:27

And just acceptance,

1:02:31

it's much easier. Once you

1:02:33

can figure it out, it's the letting go

1:02:35

that's hard. But once you let go, it's a lot

1:02:37

easier. Yeah, and I

1:02:39

mean, I am, again,

1:02:42

I still suffer from depression. My anxiety

1:02:45

is definitely weighing since I've fallen

1:02:48

in and hands up with

1:02:50

my calling, but I still

1:02:52

have days. I

1:02:54

just feel like, what the hell? And it

1:02:57

doesn't help. We're recording at the end

1:02:59

of January and at least here in New England, we

1:03:01

have not had a sunny day since, for

1:03:03

at least a month now. And

1:03:05

it's hard. It's

1:03:08

okay. Life was not hard. Those

1:03:13

good times we wouldn't embrace and

1:03:16

love even harder. We

1:03:18

wouldn't employ and relish. I

1:03:21

feel like as technology is advancing,

1:03:23

it's gonna make what you're doing

1:03:25

a lot less fringe. So there

1:03:28

was this neurofeedback training I did.

1:03:32

I've done it a couple of times. My husband's done

1:03:34

it a few more times than I have. It's called

1:03:36

Biosiberna. And he has different

1:03:38

reasons for going. You could work on a flow state. You

1:03:40

could work on creativity. You

1:03:42

can go there just for personal development, whatever

1:03:44

it is. But when he's breaking down the

1:03:47

brainwaves, there's actually this brainwave called Schumann. I

1:03:49

don't know if you've heard of it. So

1:03:52

it's really low frequency and not everyone has

1:03:54

it, or at least to a detectable amount.

1:03:56

And then if someone has a high level

1:03:59

of Schumann, they... tend to actually be

1:04:01

able to communicate with animals and the

1:04:03

earth. Like, they just communicate

1:04:05

with nature in a way that other

1:04:07

people can't. So it's almost like tuning

1:04:09

into a radio station that not everyone

1:04:11

has available to them. So this is

1:04:13

neuroscience. This is proven. He is one

1:04:15

of the top people in the world

1:04:17

conducting this research. And then we have

1:04:19

AI now that is also

1:04:21

depicting animal language to

1:04:23

each other. So I forget

1:04:27

which lab was doing it, but they were

1:04:29

studying parrots, for example. And the

1:04:31

mom parrot actually whispers a name

1:04:33

to each of her babies. And

1:04:35

each baby, she will whisper over

1:04:37

and over until they learn their

1:04:39

name. So you have mamas that

1:04:42

are naming babies and then babies that now

1:04:44

have a sense of self. I

1:04:46

am this name. And crows we

1:04:48

are learning have a sense of self

1:04:51

and even time we're thinking, which is

1:04:53

immense. Whales have different dialects.

1:04:55

They speak different languages. They have

1:04:57

art, which is music. They actually

1:04:59

have entertainment, which we thought were

1:05:02

the only ones that do that. So we're

1:05:04

learning about these really complex elements

1:05:07

of what we thought were just, you

1:05:09

know, fluffy things with no soul. Now

1:05:12

we have to question soul conscientiousness. And for some people,

1:05:14

that's going to sound crazy because we're like, of course

1:05:16

they have it. And then on the other end of

1:05:18

the spectrum, you're going to say, of course they don't.

1:05:20

They're an animal. I, human, am so unique and so

1:05:22

special. I'm the only ones with these things. So

1:05:26

I think it's going to be a beautiful

1:05:28

thing for, I hope so. I think it's

1:05:30

going to be a beautiful thing when it

1:05:33

comes to things like factory farming. We're going

1:05:35

to make different regulations for how we treat

1:05:37

our animals. Things like SeaWorld, different sea aquariums,

1:05:39

zoos. We're going to say, I cannot believe

1:05:42

I took this beautiful creature and put it

1:05:44

in a cage. And then charged

1:05:46

money to have people come and

1:05:48

take pictures with this drugged up animal

1:05:50

or this animal that is just like

1:05:53

so depressed and has

1:05:55

no idea what it's like to even hunt

1:05:57

anymore. Like, why am I existing? to

1:06:00

be like, that wasn't cool. What we

1:06:02

were doing was pretty barbaric and evolved

1:06:04

past and I think that we'll learn

1:06:06

more about our own consciousness and what

1:06:08

that means while we kind of uplift

1:06:10

everything else in tandem. Absolutely.

1:06:15

I really believe

1:06:17

in working together. I will be the first

1:06:19

one to tell you I'm not a veterinarian.

1:06:21

I am not a scientist, but

1:06:24

I am open to relationships

1:06:27

with veterinarians and animal behaviorless,

1:06:29

animal trainers. I am

1:06:33

open to not only conversation,

1:06:35

but assisting each other. I

1:06:40

love working with veterinarians because I will hear something and

1:06:42

it doesn't make sense to me. I did not do

1:06:44

well in biology for what it's worth. I'll say, okay,

1:06:46

this is where the pain is coming from and the

1:06:48

veterinarian can be like, okay, that makes sense because of

1:06:50

this. So to me, working with veterinarians is

1:06:52

the coolest thing because they can actually tell me what

1:06:55

I'm seeing, you know, and they can describe it and

1:06:57

they'll be like, oh, that's not a, they'll be like,

1:06:59

ah, like it's very validating for me. I just

1:07:02

did a TikTok on this a couple

1:07:04

of days ago about animals and

1:07:06

names and from what I

1:07:08

share from the spirit, universe, whatever, is

1:07:11

it's also a frequency, a sound

1:07:13

frequency that they can talk to

1:07:15

each other on. So for instance,

1:07:18

like I was saying something

1:07:20

or sorry, sound or sorry, I haven't had

1:07:22

coffee yet today. It's a smell.

1:07:24

So they have, and

1:07:26

I forget the exact number and I think

1:07:29

it varies based on the animal of like

1:07:31

how many thousands of times more that the

1:07:33

smell that we do and what I found

1:07:35

working and I work primarily with cats and

1:07:38

dogs because that's what people have, but I've

1:07:40

seen this with horses as well. And even

1:07:42

rabbits where they are able

1:07:44

to tell each other apart by smell. So

1:07:47

they have a smell print, if you will,

1:07:49

smell paw print, smell, smell footprint, if you

1:07:51

will, with each other so they can recognize

1:07:53

each other. It was

1:07:56

really interesting this past summer. I, there

1:07:59

were several. within like a

1:08:01

two-week period where their dogs were getting

1:08:03

very hyper aggressive and all of them

1:08:05

were getting hyper aggressive with Unneutered males

1:08:08

and then vice versa the unneutered males

1:08:10

were getting attacked So

1:08:14

there is a smell thing there the fascinating

1:08:16

thing I smiled when you said time because

1:08:18

I've seen this my entire Career

1:08:21

if you will with working with animals is that they absolutely

1:08:23

have a sense of time They've

1:08:25

proven that dogs can tell the passage

1:08:28

of time based off of again smell

1:08:30

but again based off of the lack of

1:08:32

smell eating but what I have also

1:08:34

found in the last few years is they can tell the

1:08:36

passage of time based on seasons and Weather

1:08:38

so for instance if you're going on a trip

1:08:41

in the winter And

1:08:43

or like in the fall One

1:08:46

way that I used to communicate that with animals is

1:08:48

they'll be back when more leaves are on the ground

1:08:51

and they have an instant Recognition

1:08:53

or understanding of what that is I?

1:08:56

I haven't played so much with

1:08:58

the moon cycles, but it would be interesting to ask

1:09:01

or kind of identify it by moon cycles Right now.

1:09:03

I'm just doing like based off of seasonality

1:09:07

They'll be back when there's more snow on the

1:09:09

ground or whatever But

1:09:11

it's also interesting because let's say there's a

1:09:13

storm coming and you can say okay when

1:09:15

those rains are done your person Look back

1:09:17

and they seem to absolutely have an understanding.

1:09:20

I also say Two

1:09:22

sleeps or three three dark. I'll use dark

1:09:24

nights as the example They'll be back in

1:09:26

three dark nights, and they I did it

1:09:29

with my four-year-old but

1:09:31

animals Cats dogs horses

1:09:33

have that understanding and that consciousness

1:09:36

of time now. How is it

1:09:38

in their brains? That's a much

1:09:41

bigger freaking question But I've seen

1:09:43

a lot of a lot of evidence and

1:09:45

not only that I will tell you one

1:09:47

of my most powerful Experiences was not even

1:09:50

when I was actively working as an animal communicator But

1:09:52

I will never forget in my early know

1:09:55

about 15 years ago. We were doing a

1:09:57

whale watch off of Cape Cod And

1:10:00

I had my, my, my daughter was a

1:10:02

baby. And I remember

1:10:05

we spotted some humpbacks and everyone's

1:10:07

looking. And I was one of the few that

1:10:09

was still on like one side of the boat.

1:10:12

And I looked down at the water and

1:10:15

there was an eye staring at me of

1:10:17

a humpback. And this beautiful

1:10:19

creature was just staring at me and

1:10:21

they were probably only 10 feet away.

1:10:25

And in, it was the most,

1:10:27

even like, even now I'm getting goosebumps because I remember

1:10:29

looking at her and it turned out to be the

1:10:31

mama and there was a calf. And

1:10:33

I looked at her and all of

1:10:35

a sudden I had

1:10:37

information, all of

1:10:39

this information. She knew

1:10:42

I was safe. She knew the boat

1:10:44

was safe. She was annoyed about the

1:10:46

sounds. Like she had empathy.

1:10:49

She understood why people were there,

1:10:51

but she had, like she had,

1:10:54

she had this deep understanding that it's

1:10:56

even hard to put into words about

1:10:58

the world. And

1:11:01

you go, how in the hell is that possible?

1:11:03

And I don't know. It

1:11:07

was so joyful in

1:11:10

the first few weeks of COVID when everything shut

1:11:12

down. And I don't

1:11:14

know if anyone remembers, but all of

1:11:16

a sudden marine life started springing back

1:11:20

because shipping, shipping was, and this was

1:11:22

again, the very early COVID days and

1:11:24

everything shut down. And all

1:11:26

of a sudden marine life was coming back because

1:11:30

there were, there wasn't all the

1:11:32

shipping and all the, all the crap that, I

1:11:34

mean, the people were not putting crap in the

1:11:36

water. People weren't going out on the water. And

1:11:39

it was amazing

1:11:41

how quickly they were starting to heal.

1:11:45

They absolutely have a consciousness. And I, and

1:11:47

I say this a lot is I

1:11:50

really feel part of my calling is to just let

1:11:53

people know that pets, animals

1:11:56

have thoughts and feelings and are autonomous

1:11:58

beings. And I think. I think a

1:12:00

lot of the pushback I get is

1:12:04

because if we accept that animals

1:12:06

are autonomous beings, that

1:12:08

they have thoughts and feelings, and a

1:12:10

consciousness all their own, then we have

1:12:12

to address not only how we treat them,

1:12:15

because in the US

1:12:17

and abroad, we do not have

1:12:19

protection. We do not have

1:12:21

laws for animal abuse that are very,

1:12:24

they're aggressive, but it's very hard to prosecute. Not

1:12:27

only do we have to address how we treat them, but

1:12:30

we have to address eating them. And

1:12:32

those are two huge

1:12:34

things that have

1:12:37

been accepted for hundreds

1:12:40

of years, that

1:12:42

we can treat an animal like crepe

1:12:44

because they are, they don't have thoughts

1:12:46

and feelings, and we can eat.

1:12:50

So you can look at someone

1:12:52

like me and say BS, because

1:12:54

if you open your, and I'm not

1:12:56

saying this is for everyone, but I think a lot

1:12:58

of the pushback is then we have to address that

1:13:01

and you have to address things that you've done. And

1:13:05

I will say, and I did a TikTok like a year

1:13:07

and a half ago, and I couldn't believe how much of

1:13:09

a response it got. And I simply, it was just me

1:13:12

like in between sessions going, your pets don't

1:13:14

blame you for stuff you did when you were kids. Because

1:13:17

when you're a kid, you're going to do silly stuff.

1:13:19

You're going to try and keep your dog in your

1:13:21

bedroom with you when you're sleeping. You're

1:13:24

going to, as my son did to my

1:13:26

cat, put Oxy Clean on her to try

1:13:28

and clean her. You're going

1:13:30

to, she's safe. You're

1:13:35

going to do stuff that you're not so proud of. And

1:13:38

that's okay. When you are

1:13:40

children, animals seem to have this unique

1:13:42

understanding that your brain isn't fully formed because

1:13:44

it's not. So

1:13:46

that's a little different. If

1:13:50

you have been cruel to animals, I'm not talking

1:13:53

about eating them, but if you've been cruel to

1:13:55

animals, I'm

1:13:57

very threatening because I... absolutely

1:14:00

will hear. And I actually got a question not

1:14:02

too long ago. Have you ever talked to someone

1:14:04

that was abusing animals? And I said, absolutely not.

1:14:08

No one that has seriously abused an animal, and I'm

1:14:10

not talking about as a kid when they accidentally fall

1:14:12

off your bed, no one that seriously abused an animal

1:14:14

is going to talk to me because

1:14:16

they know they're

1:14:19

scared. What if, well, then

1:14:21

you have to deal with the fact that

1:14:23

you hurt them. Yeah.

1:14:26

There was this lady in Florida and

1:14:28

her TikTok went viral. So she ended

1:14:30

up getting caught. And I don't

1:14:32

think she did jail time. I think she

1:14:34

ended up getting sentenced to five years probation,

1:14:36

but she found a raccoon stuck in a

1:14:39

dumpster and she decided

1:14:42

to light it on fire. And she

1:14:45

afterwards, she just like doubled down and

1:14:47

was like trying to make it this

1:14:49

funny thing. And the

1:14:51

judge was like, this is extremely

1:14:53

concerning. Like if you were able

1:14:55

to do this to a defenseless

1:14:57

animal, then that says a lot

1:14:59

about you, your character and what

1:15:01

the danger you pose to other

1:15:03

people even. And I was like,

1:15:06

whoa, thank like, that was an

1:15:08

awesome judge. Like she was recognizing

1:15:10

this is cruel, unusual, and absolutely

1:15:12

not okay. And there's something, something

1:15:14

almost more terrifying about someone who's

1:15:16

willing to hurt an animal because

1:15:18

of its defensive defenselessness, kind of

1:15:20

like a child. And I

1:15:22

think that's why in psychology, it's like when you

1:15:24

look at serial killers, for

1:15:26

example, you're like, well, they started with animals and that's

1:15:28

not good. If you're able to do that, that's

1:15:30

not good. And it shows kind of a lack of, lack

1:15:34

of empathy, obviously. And then also if you

1:15:36

want to get into more of the esoteric

1:15:38

lack of a soul, lack of moral inner

1:15:40

moral compass. You know, I find it a

1:15:42

lot in, and

1:15:45

abusive families, I will,

1:15:47

and this is generally after the fact, I can't

1:15:49

think of one off the top of my head

1:15:51

where they were still actively with their partner, but

1:15:53

it's generally after they've been with

1:15:56

a partner and they want to know how,

1:15:58

like generally they've suspected that but they did

1:16:00

something and so they're coming to me to ask

1:16:02

what actually happened. And seven

1:16:05

times out of 10, it's not good.

1:16:08

Sometimes, and again, abuse

1:16:11

can be many forms, just like with

1:16:13

people, right? You can have abuses just

1:16:16

being ignored. Like a lot of times

1:16:18

it's just, well, he ignored me. They

1:16:20

ignored me. But to an animal,

1:16:22

a cat or a dog that

1:16:24

is dependent on you for food, water, shelter, love,

1:16:26

if you're ignoring them, that's just as bad as,

1:16:29

in my opinion, it's

1:16:31

just as bad as if you were doing it to a

1:16:33

child. They need, and I'm not talking about you have to

1:16:35

sit and have full blown conversations, although you absolutely can, but

1:16:37

just if you're just absolutely ignoring them, then you are

1:16:40

out of sight, out of mind. So

1:16:43

it could be as little as ignoring, or it

1:16:46

could be them yelling at them and

1:16:49

or putting them in other rooms and

1:16:51

all this stuff. And it's

1:16:54

interesting, primarily my clients

1:16:56

are women. Why

1:16:59

is that? It's

1:17:01

just, it's things to, it's things to,

1:17:04

that I think about because I do

1:17:06

try and approach everything, even

1:17:08

though I am not a scientist, I try

1:17:10

and approach everything on a very evidential level.

1:17:13

Why am I seeing this? What is happening?

1:17:16

Why do certain people come to me? And

1:17:20

there are patterns. There

1:17:23

are absolutely patterns with abusive relationships

1:17:25

and it goes onto the pets,

1:17:27

but they don't know. In

1:17:30

fact, I was talking to a gentleman yesterday

1:17:33

who as a child, his

1:17:35

aunt would just take pets of his and

1:17:38

adopt him out. And I've

1:17:41

heard that story so many times. People

1:17:43

come to me as adults, what happened to my fluffy

1:17:45

at six years old? And that's

1:17:48

abusive. My

1:17:51

mom's boyfriend did that. I was at school one

1:17:53

day, he was a terrible, like

1:17:56

violent man, like very violent man. And

1:18:00

just he loved terrorizing me. It was

1:18:02

his, it's what gave him

1:18:04

oxygen. So I was at school

1:18:06

one day and I had two dogs

1:18:09

and I came back and they were gone, just

1:18:11

gone. And I was like, where are my

1:18:13

dogs? Oh, he did it to my horses too. And

1:18:16

like, so I would just show up and my

1:18:18

pets would be gone. And for

1:18:20

a kid that is devastating, especially

1:18:22

for me, I didn't have a lot

1:18:24

of friends. So like that was, that's

1:18:26

where I had love was

1:18:29

with my animals. So yeah, my dogs

1:18:31

were gone. And then next it was

1:18:33

my horses. And I was like, what

1:18:35

is happening? And why is everyone acting like this

1:18:37

is normal? This is not normal. Yeah,

1:18:40

so I've been on the end of that. I'm so

1:18:42

sorry. Did you ever find out what happened? No,

1:18:45

my mom's just said that she, they

1:18:47

gave them to quote loving homes. Like

1:18:50

how do you know? You know where I'm at

1:18:52

if you ever wanna connect and find out. I

1:18:55

mean, I've gone so far and this was hard,

1:18:58

I had a client that was from Korea, from

1:19:02

Korea. I'm trying to

1:19:04

remember the country. And her

1:19:06

mom had given her dog to the meat

1:19:08

trade. Oh no, that's so

1:19:11

awful. Like 50 years ago, this was not

1:19:13

now. It was, but she always

1:19:15

wanted to know. And it

1:19:18

was such a heartbreaking call, but at

1:19:20

the same time it was beautiful because

1:19:22

this dog had still been

1:19:24

around her and was identifying, had actually connected

1:19:27

with her son, had

1:19:29

been around her son growing up. And he

1:19:31

was just able to again,

1:19:34

with proof, say certain things that

1:19:36

had happened over the years, that

1:19:38

there was no way that he wasn't with

1:19:40

her. And so it was so heartbreaking

1:19:43

and tragic, but it was

1:19:45

healing. And

1:19:49

I'm willing to go there.

1:19:52

I'm, those

1:19:54

are always the hardest clients

1:19:56

or cases I would say, but. This

1:20:01

is what I think is going to take,

1:20:03

it's going to take for people to, and

1:20:05

not like my clients per se, but people

1:20:08

to understand that not

1:20:10

only do pets and animals have thoughts and

1:20:12

feelings, but they have memories. And

1:20:17

again, something we need to address. I am,

1:20:20

I even talk to the wildlife, you

1:20:22

know, I don't ever

1:20:25

assume that a

1:20:28

living thing has no, never

1:20:30

assume. I

1:20:32

mean, I've talked to spiders, I've talked to snakes. I

1:20:36

never, I never ever assume.

1:20:39

And I try to be as gentle as I can.

1:20:43

My daughter, knowing all this,

1:20:45

my daughter had a cricket,

1:20:48

unfortunately had a demise this summer, but

1:20:50

she was so ashamed. She'd accidentally stepped

1:20:53

on it. And she

1:20:55

was so ashamed. She couldn't tell me for like two

1:20:57

minutes. And it was

1:20:59

beautiful. And then she gave it a send

1:21:01

off. Like apparently she had told my love

1:21:03

and my best friend and he

1:21:05

had told her to give it a send off.

1:21:08

And so she apologized to it. And you know,

1:21:10

and again, and if your kids

1:21:12

do that, use it as a teaching tool. Now I'm

1:21:14

not saying you have to give a funeral procession to

1:21:16

an aunt, but if

1:21:18

you step on an animal, say

1:21:20

sorry, say I'm so sorry. I

1:21:23

hope you're safe. Whatever. Just

1:21:25

say sorry. Even teaching your children

1:21:27

that starts that understanding of, oh,

1:21:29

they were alive and now they're

1:21:31

not. Do you think that like

1:21:35

a lot of Native American culture, they

1:21:37

believe in animal omens, for example. So

1:21:40

whether they come to you in like

1:21:43

a spirit journey or a dream, or even

1:21:45

in real life, if you keep seeing a

1:21:47

fox, for example, then that would have some

1:21:49

kind of meaning. Do you

1:21:51

think that there's some kind of truth to that

1:21:53

or is that? Absolutely. There's

1:21:55

a bunch of, I have parade.

1:21:58

I've worked with parade. three,

1:22:01

three, four times. And I've worked

1:22:03

with another website, Mind Body Green.

1:22:05

And we've talked about everything. I

1:22:07

think I've talked about owls, foxes,

1:22:11

different kinds of birds. I'm trying to

1:22:13

think what else I've covered. But yeah,

1:22:16

if you're a scientist, I feel like

1:22:18

it's a common one that people look

1:22:20

up. Yeah, I haven't done that for

1:22:22

any publication, but no, I absolutely believe

1:22:24

in animals being used as

1:22:28

messengers. Yeah,

1:22:31

absolutely, absolutely. And I've

1:22:33

seen it in my own life. I think, again,

1:22:36

there's a beauty to it. And when I

1:22:39

had a daughter pass at

1:22:42

birth 10 years ago, and

1:22:46

my husband was out

1:22:49

at sea on the submarine. And

1:22:51

so she passed,

1:22:54

they made him go out to sea right after. And

1:22:58

they were coming in, and

1:23:00

he's very, very intellectual, very

1:23:04

much everything has a reason. And

1:23:07

he said that they were up on the bow

1:23:09

or whatever the hell it's called. And they were

1:23:11

two or three miles out from land. And

1:23:14

he was standing there and

1:23:16

he said, a butterfly circled

1:23:19

him and a few other guys. And

1:23:22

he was explaining to me that like butterflies

1:23:24

have to land, like they can't,

1:23:27

they have to let, like they can only go so far.

1:23:29

And he said it was this little fight butterfly that was

1:23:31

just circling them. And it was like four guys solid or

1:23:33

three or four guys solid. And the were just going, what

1:23:36

the hell is this thing? And so of

1:23:38

course I asked my husband and like, his

1:23:40

intellect like, well, how does that happen?

1:23:42

And he said, well, he said, it would

1:23:45

happen if they were, it was like boat hopping. So

1:23:47

it could go from boat to boat. And he said,

1:23:50

but we were the only ones out there. And

1:23:53

this butterfly just circled him. And

1:23:56

ironically, I think at

1:23:58

that time or right after I got So

1:24:00

butterfly is the symbol for

1:24:02

stillbirth stillborn. I

1:24:05

know that and so

1:24:09

Talk about sign of all signs and he

1:24:11

even said he said it was like that.

1:24:13

She was welcoming him home. Oh My

1:24:16

gosh, and I'll never forget that because my

1:24:18

husband is even with what I do is

1:24:20

prove it prove it prove it Like everything

1:24:22

has to be maybe that's why I'm so

1:24:24

evidential Cuz I am like five pieces of

1:24:27

evidence why I see something maybe

1:24:29

not so much anymore, but he's

1:24:31

never forgotten that and

1:24:33

it's interesting because always around her birthday

1:24:35

a butterfly and

1:24:37

it we can be anywhere in

1:24:40

the world in and there will be some

1:24:42

kind of butterfly that comes around us and

1:24:44

I mean we could be Anywhere

1:24:46

and and things have happened around

1:24:49

her birthday and it's like hey guys from

1:24:51

here So that's our sign. Actually, I even

1:24:53

have my my butterfly tattoo on my arm.

1:24:55

That's for her But

1:24:57

yeah, that's our sign but absolutely animals

1:24:59

are used. So when animals are

1:25:01

used They aren't

1:25:05

It's not like my daughter was in the butterflies

1:25:07

body Right go

1:25:09

over here or an actually in that white butterflies

1:25:11

case on the submarine two or three miles

1:25:13

out See, I don't know how the hell got there But

1:25:17

on land if you're going to get a sign or

1:25:19

wherever if you're gonna get a sign It would be

1:25:21

the universe kind of telling the bird or the fox

1:25:23

to go there, right? It's not gonna be in the

1:25:26

body. It would be go there go there So

1:25:30

I mean who knows in the boat case in

1:25:32

the submarine case Maybe it was a bird and

1:25:34

then somehow the universe change. I mean it honestly

1:25:36

with that one. I don't I Love

1:25:40

it. I will find out a long time from now when I

1:25:42

pass and go home, but You

1:25:44

know, there are a lot of things like that that can't be

1:25:46

explained and It's

1:25:49

okay. Thank and you just win when something

1:25:51

like that happens. It's thank you. Thank

1:25:53

you acknowledge it Thank

1:25:56

you if I say if you

1:25:58

see a fox or anything and you

1:26:00

think of a name, trust

1:26:02

that name. So, Uncle Bill sent it to

1:26:04

me. Now, let's say it wasn't

1:26:07

Uncle Bill. Maybe it was your

1:26:09

grandma, Sammy. Well, they're

1:26:13

not gonna get offended. They're just happy that you're recognizing

1:26:15

it. They don't care. But

1:26:17

trust that name that's given. Do

1:26:20

you find any ones to be more ominous or

1:26:25

do you feel like there's a variety of messages

1:26:28

that can kind of be sent? Like

1:26:30

the fox is usually labeled with cunning,

1:26:33

watch out, there's mischief. Like

1:26:36

someone's trying to be foxy around you. Owls,

1:26:39

I think they say what are someone

1:26:42

that passed recently. So... I

1:26:46

don't see, and this is just my opinion

1:26:48

as an animal communicator, I don't see the

1:26:50

universe sending us ominous signs. It's just like

1:26:52

when a loved one comes to us in

1:26:54

a dream, I always say it's gonna be

1:26:56

happy or it's gonna be a good feeling.

1:26:58

If you have a dream with your loved

1:27:00

one that's passed or even a past pet

1:27:02

and it's a bad dream, that's our subconscious.

1:27:05

Like it's our subconscious working through things. But

1:27:07

someone that's passed, pet or people, they're never

1:27:09

gonna come to us in like scare

1:27:12

us. That's not how, they're all loving

1:27:14

goodness. They're not gonna send us something

1:27:16

crazy and scary. The

1:27:19

same thing with signs. While I respect

1:27:22

beliefs of those that believe

1:27:24

more on this sign, I

1:27:27

choose to think on a more positive note and

1:27:29

maybe that's just my anxiety talking of like, I

1:27:31

don't, you know, but I just

1:27:33

don't feel like the universe

1:27:35

works like that unless we're meant to

1:27:39

turn the other way. Do you know what I

1:27:41

mean? Like it's helpful. Yeah, so like let's say

1:27:43

the owl or whatever is at the intersection, you

1:27:45

go, oh, I'm going that way. If that's what

1:27:47

it took and the universe is all encompassing, they're

1:27:49

gonna know what it's gonna take for you to

1:27:52

go that way, right? Whether it's

1:27:54

an owl or your headlight flashing, it doesn't always

1:27:56

have to be an animal. It can

1:27:58

be whatever, the universe will. act and they

1:28:00

will act as quickly as they can to get that sign. Yeah.

1:28:04

Technology is supposed to be a medium

1:28:07

that's used a lot for things like

1:28:09

that. And yeah, I've, I've seen it. I've

1:28:11

seen it happen. Yeah, it's

1:28:13

absolutely, I mean, that's, I see it all the time

1:28:16

in sessions. It doesn't even startle me anymore because

1:28:18

it happens so much. I mean, I've had everything from,

1:28:20

I had a, I had a mom

1:28:22

that was past once say she didn't want to

1:28:24

talk about something and her daughter kept wanting to

1:28:26

ask the question and she kept saying, I don't

1:28:28

want to talk about it. I don't want to

1:28:30

talk about, she closed the zoom or the zoom

1:28:33

just closed the zoom. I've had actually yesterday,

1:28:35

I had something or no, two days ago, I had

1:28:37

something fall off my desk. I have

1:28:40

white flash. I have fire

1:28:42

alarms go off. I have, I have had

1:28:45

everything that can make a noise or do

1:28:47

something during a session it's freaking happened. And

1:28:49

it honestly, now it's just annoying. I'm

1:28:52

like, okay, all right. Thanks. Thanks for the sign. That's

1:28:54

what you received. Yeah. And it, and well, and it's

1:28:56

also because it's for that other, that person on the

1:28:58

other line, right? So for me, I'm just like, shit.

1:29:00

Where was I thinking like, well, where was my train

1:29:03

of thought going? You know, so

1:29:05

I, I love the signs, but it's just

1:29:07

like, really, but that's only because it it's

1:29:10

so, you know, they mess with my

1:29:12

Peloton and actually, um, there's,

1:29:14

my, my, my husband has been working out

1:29:17

and, and things have been happening to him

1:29:19

on the Peloton. And he wasn't telling me

1:29:21

until I asked him about something and he's

1:29:23

like, God, that's been happening. And I'm like,

1:29:26

cause he's just annoyed by it, but

1:29:28

he doesn't want to know. He's like, just stop it. I

1:29:30

was working out. Just stop it. You

1:29:33

know, Oh

1:29:35

my goodness. Well, Nancy, this was amazing. You

1:29:37

were so lovely before we take off and

1:29:39

I would love to have you on again

1:29:42

in the future, cause I could keep, keep

1:29:44

on talking to you about all of these things.

1:29:47

But, um, can you tell the listeners where they

1:29:49

can follow you, how they can support you, anything

1:29:51

that you're working on, all that good stuff. This

1:29:53

is your time to just promote away. The

1:29:56

first thing I want to talk about is actually, we

1:29:58

talked about in the beginning. Uh, I, I said, I

1:30:00

want wouldn't do a podcast and yet someone approached me

1:30:02

18 months ago and said, we'd like you to do

1:30:04

it. But the cool thing about this podcast, and I

1:30:07

don't know, I did not get, I don't know if

1:30:09

I've commissioned to release this name, but I have a

1:30:11

podcast releasing about animals where we talked to all different,

1:30:13

where I talked to all different kinds of animals. I

1:30:15

talked to the oldest tortoise alive

1:30:17

in one episode I talked yesterday. I was

1:30:19

recording a podcast and it was a gentleman

1:30:22

that dresses his cat up in drag, which

1:30:24

was lovely and wonderful.

1:30:26

Uh, I talked to people from

1:30:28

all different walks of life and

1:30:30

that is releasing, I believe February

1:30:32

20th. And again, I'm not sure if

1:30:34

I can release the name. I'm just going to say it's

1:30:37

called creature preacher, creature preacher. I

1:30:39

just like singing it because it just,

1:30:41

it's funny because it is preaching and it's about

1:30:43

creatures. So that's me, um, that

1:30:45

you can find out, uh, if you

1:30:47

follow me on Instagram at Nancy mellow

1:30:49

official on tiktoknancy.mellow. And my

1:30:52

website is just nancymellow.com. Uh, feel free to

1:30:54

follow, feel free to check out my playlist.

1:30:56

So how, so what I have, I'm curious,

1:30:58

what made you choose me? Like you were

1:31:00

looking, what was it that you were like,

1:31:02

I got a book with her. I got

1:31:04

to see if you can help. I

1:31:07

think just intuition. I tried, I'm

1:31:09

really trying to fine tune my intuition and

1:31:11

I looked at your social media pages. I

1:31:13

checked out your website and I just felt

1:31:15

comfortable. Like I was, it wasn't like my

1:31:17

dance moves that you'll see. Those

1:31:20

didn't hurt. Those didn't hurt. You know, you

1:31:23

gotta be silly. You have to embrace it, but yeah, no,

1:31:25

that's where you can reach me. It's just Nancy mellow.

1:31:27

Feel free to Google me, see if you

1:31:29

can find some things. I was just told

1:31:31

that like I was mentioned in a book

1:31:33

the other day, I didn't know. Um, so

1:31:35

yeah, feel free, read it, whatever. And if

1:31:37

you have an interesting question, you can always

1:31:39

put it in the comments on tiktok. I

1:31:42

answer a lot of comments from people, um,

1:31:45

about things that other people are wondering. It

1:31:48

facilitates great conversation. Uh,

1:31:50

but I'm here. I'm happy to help if

1:31:52

I can. And it's a great

1:31:54

way to make content. Yeah. Well, and I love it

1:31:56

because it's things that I wouldn't think about,

1:31:58

but for instance, like there was a. great couple of

1:32:01

episodes on feral animals and what happens

1:32:03

to feral animals when they pass. So

1:32:05

it's really interesting stuff that I

1:32:08

don't think about and then people ask and then

1:32:10

it turns out that a thousand people are curious

1:32:12

about as well. So yeah, just

1:32:14

explore. If there's anything that's unclear,

1:32:17

I'm happy to try and explain

1:32:19

it. But again, I'm not afraid to say I don't

1:32:21

know, I'm not sure or there might be someone better.

1:32:24

You know, I'm happy to be like, hey, if I'm

1:32:26

not the right fit. That's why that

1:32:28

would actually, that's one more thing I do want

1:32:30

to mention is don't, I would not, if you're

1:32:33

looking for an animal communicator medium, you

1:32:35

want to look for someone that has

1:32:37

other psychic friends that

1:32:39

has that, that, that

1:32:42

talks to people in their community, because if

1:32:44

you have someone that's isolated and this is

1:32:46

all mine, the success is all

1:32:49

mine, the cake is all mine, that's just

1:32:51

another ego driven. So you do like, see

1:32:53

if they're talking about other communicators or psychics,

1:32:55

see if that's, that's another thing that I,

1:32:57

it always for me raises a red flag,

1:32:59

not just in our industry, but others. Like,

1:33:02

are you friendly with people? Are

1:33:04

you open to recommending if something

1:33:06

doesn't work out? And if they

1:33:08

say no, well, screw that. Because

1:33:10

I will be happy to recommend people I trust, like especially

1:33:13

for missing pets, which I don't do a whole lot of,

1:33:15

I will be happy to give you her name. Now it

1:33:17

may take me three days to get back to you, but

1:33:19

I'm happy to give you their name. But

1:33:22

yeah, feel free to reach out. I love a

1:33:24

good conversation. And thank you so much for having

1:33:26

me on. This was fascinating.

1:33:28

And I just I love,

1:33:30

I still don't

1:33:32

know much about you, to be honest, I

1:33:34

haven't googled you I have, like

1:33:36

we were asking, I was asking you after we finished

1:33:39

talking last time, I was like, So what did

1:33:41

you do? Because, But I would

1:33:43

love, you know, I'd love to talk to you

1:33:46

again. Oh, my gosh, of course. Yeah, let me

1:33:48

know. I Have your number, you have mine. Like

1:33:50

I Would absolutely love to do this again. And

1:33:52

I Will make sure I link everything below to

1:33:54

make it easy for everyone. And Again, thank you

1:33:57

so much, Nancy. It's been a pleasure. Thanks So

1:33:59

much for having. Not

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