0:00

A true visionary will

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take action, see what happens with

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the idea, and maybe it's the right time, maybe it

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isn't. But a true visionary will do it. They

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will do it. The business owner, the

0:11

business owner, the human, the consultant

0:14

will wait on it 15 years, ready,

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aim, aim, aim, aim,

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aim, and then nothing

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will ever get fired, and then those are, you

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know, nothing ever happens. The

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visionary will fire, for the

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most part, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire,

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fire, aim,

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no aiming, maybe ready, and

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that's what, and then that's the only way to actually

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learn something,

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is to see what happens. Hello, everybody. You

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are listening to Chatting with Candice. I'm your host, Candice Warback. you

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owner. I'm a business owner. I'm a business owner.

1:19

My

1:27

husband and I have built a collaborative global company

1:29

while putting your loved ones first.

1:32

What an incredible mission. He has one

1:34

of the most fascinating brains

1:36

of anyone that I have ever met. My

1:38

husband and I connected us, and I'm so

1:40

glad that he did. This episode

1:42

is not going to disappoint, so please

1:45

help me welcome Justin Breen.

1:47

Justin, thank you so much for coming

1:50

on the podcast today. I'm so excited

1:52

to talk to you. When we first got

1:54

connected through my husband, I was

1:56

like, I don't know what he's going to find

1:59

curious about.

1:59

me. He goes to all of these entrepreneur

2:02

conventions and he's talking about moon

2:05

shots and how to change the world. I

2:08

took a whole bunch of personality tests. I

2:10

guess we took Colby and a

2:12

couple others and you're like, oh my gosh, you're

2:14

a visionary. My husband and I were

2:16

both shocked. After

2:19

our talk, I realized

2:21

how unique I think your perspective is

2:23

on people and relationships. I

2:26

love the mission of the new book.

2:28

Let's just jump into it. Welcome to the show.

2:31

Yeah, this will be a fascinating

2:34

conversation. Really wanted

2:36

to thank you for recommending Outwitting

2:38

the Devil, the Napoleon Hill book. I've

2:41

listened to that and read it, which I

2:43

don't think I've ever done that with any other book.

2:46

It's just a fascinating,

2:48

besides Man's Search for Meaning, Victor

2:51

Frankl, I'd say it's my favorite book of all time.

2:53

There's so many lessons in that.

2:56

Thank you for recommending that.

2:57

What was your favorite part of Outwitting the Devil?

3:00

Wow.

3:03

Simplify. We're both simplifiers. I

3:05

think that most

3:07

of the world, most humans,

3:10

they're drifters. They're drifting around,

3:13

letting fear get in the way. Then visionaries

3:17

who are changing the

3:19

world, they're not letting fear

3:22

get in the way and they're not drifting. They're

3:24

focused on creating true value

3:26

and purpose. To

3:28

dovetail that,

3:30

Napoleon Hill says it's two

3:33

out of 100 that are not

3:35

controlled

3:35

by the devil or controlled

3:37

by fear or controlled by drifting.

3:39

I think it's far less than two out

3:41

of 100. I'd say it's one out of 1000.

3:44

Wow. Our

3:47

companies focus on visionaries

3:50

who live in abundance and who look at things

3:52

as investments, not costs. I'd

3:54

say that's one out of 1000, but most

3:57

folks live in scarcity.

3:59

not abundance. And so one out of 1000, if

4:02

there are 8 billion people that there's 8, there

4:04

are 8 million, I'd

4:06

say there's 8 million folks like us and then

4:08

they create everything that helps everyone

4:10

else. Yeah. Yeah.

4:13

I wonder if it's gotten worse

4:15

with technology and kind of

4:17

the world seeming smaller and

4:20

we have the development of AI

4:23

and maybe lack of purpose and if

4:25

that's creating more drifters and more

4:27

fear and more hesitation.

4:29

That's

4:29

a fascinating perspective.

4:33

I think COVID and

4:37

technology have short-cutted

4:39

the

4:39

ability, like

4:41

how are we talking right now?

4:44

But I strongly feel you're either born

4:46

like this or you're not. I think most people

4:48

would choose to be born like this, but they're

4:51

not born like that. But if

4:53

you are born like that, you can work

4:55

on your mindset,

4:57

mindset every single day and

5:00

then attract more people with that mindset.

5:02

But people like us are usually

5:04

aliens within their own family, community

5:07

and verticals. The only people that understand us

5:09

are top entrepreneurs on planet.

5:11

I would say technology has brought those

5:13

aliens closer together, but I think you're

5:16

either born an alien or you're not.

5:18

So can you get closer

5:20

to it or can you learn to mimic

5:23

it? And then what role I guess does plasticity

5:26

play into any of it?

5:29

That's just,

5:30

okay, so here, wow, that's a high level,

5:35

that's a high level follow-up

5:37

question. So where

5:40

I think you can learn,

5:42

you can learn as being around people like us,

5:44

but most people aren't, they're not like us.

5:47

So I'll give you an example.

5:49

I was always talking like this.

5:51

I mean, I was always talking like this

5:53

just for most of my life. People didn't

5:55

understand what I was talking about and I

5:57

didn't understand what they were complaining about or

5:59

why. they were drifting. I know or

6:02

why they were letting fear get in the way. So understanding

6:07

that the only people who understood what I was

6:09

talking about were top entrepreneurs, visionaries

6:11

on planet,

6:13

that took most of my life to figure that out.

6:16

But once I found them, it too becomes four,

6:18

four becomes eight, eight becomes 100, 100 becomes 1000. Like

6:22

there are no limits to that. Well, I guess maybe 8

6:24

million. But

6:25

to me, that's really

6:27

no limits. But

6:30

no,

6:31

I strongly feel like you're either born like this

6:33

or you're not. I think most people would

6:35

choose

6:37

to make as much money as you

6:39

want to, hang out with family

6:41

and loved ones, do what you like to do and what you're

6:44

good at. But there are four

6:46

things. My brain turns everything

6:48

into patterns, but

6:50

everything. All I do is talk to people like us and

6:52

turn it into patterns. But there are four things

6:54

that separate people like us from

6:56

people who aren't like us. Four things

6:58

are bankruptcy or potential bankruptcy to

7:01

depression.

7:02

Three, highest level of anxiety you can

7:04

imagine. And four likely and or possible

7:07

traumatic experiences

7:09

as a child or young adult. So the drifters,

7:11

the ones who let fear get in the way, those

7:14

four things are excuses. And then people like us,

7:17

figure it out. I mean,

7:19

that's what entrepreneur or visionary

7:22

non-drifter life is really

7:24

about.

7:26

So I think you're either born with the

7:29

coping skills to overcome

7:31

those things or you're not. And then for

7:33

the people that are born with

7:35

them, I guess, is it

7:38

easier for them to undo? So

7:40

let's say you have an immense amount of childhood trauma

7:43

and then that can kind of mimic a scarcity

7:45

mindset. So let's say you are a visionary,

7:48

but it's being clouded by something that

7:50

hasn't been broken through yet. So is that

7:53

easier to break through when

7:55

you do have the proclivity for resilience

7:58

versus someone who doesn't have.

8:00

the resilience gene because some people say that there

8:02

is a gene for resilience. There are 100%.

8:05

100% yeah. Well,

8:07

Dr. Doug Brackman, who wrote the book Driven,

8:09

that's one of the assessments I sent you, but

8:12

he wrote literally that book about how there's

8:15

a, you know, the driven brain, that type

8:17

of genetic

8:18

brain, he says it's 10% of the

8:20

population. Again, I feel it's far less

8:22

than that. And maybe

8:24

it is 10% that have some of the genes, but

8:26

like people like us, it's far less than one

8:29

out of 10. I mean, one out of 10 humans are

8:31

not like us. There's no, no, no,

8:33

no, no, no, but, um,

8:35

but so they have the gene. But here, here's

8:37

again, what I've seen. So all I

8:39

do literally is talk to visionaries

8:41

that one out of a thousand, it wasn't

8:44

always that way, but

8:45

it is now. And then I hear blah, blah, blah,

8:47

blah, blah, and simplify it into patter.

8:50

So where I, what I see

8:52

your question turning into is that

8:54

entrepreneurs are the most damaged people with

8:57

the best coping skills, the most damage, the

8:59

most of those, all four of those four

9:01

things,

9:02

the most trauma, bankruptcy, potential bankruptcy,

9:04

depression, anxiety, but then the

9:07

coping skills, they have the highest IQ, the

9:09

highest EQ, the most courage.

9:11

And then where I see

9:13

what I see many of them, not all,

9:15

but many of them, what I see them do is

9:17

they create massive company,

9:19

massive wealth, massive amount

9:21

of cars, massive amount of employee,

9:24

massive travel around the world.

9:26

And then many times, not always, but

9:29

many times at the expense of

9:31

family time, having a family, meaningful

9:33

relationships, living in, living in

9:35

purpose. And so

9:37

that's why that's, that's literally why I wrote Epic

9:39

Life. It's about how to build collaborative global

9:42

companies while putting your loved ones first. So I

9:44

think that's what people like us want. They

9:46

just, they're so damaged many times, they bypass

9:49

family or meaning to create massive

9:52

wealth. I mean, that's what I see over

9:54

and over and over and over and over. There's

9:57

that quote that that's great. men

10:01

are rarely great fathers.

10:04

And it's a devastating

10:07

quote when I hear that. The worst thing

10:09

I've ever heard. That's the worst thing. Yeah.

10:11

I understand that. That's the worst

10:13

thing I've ever heard. That makes me sick

10:16

to hear that. Sick. Yeah.

10:18

And I heard it on, like, Rogan

10:20

was talking about it on a podcast

10:22

ages ago, and they were using Biden

10:25

as an example, because obviously, you know, he's president

10:27

of the country. He's had a

10:30

very successful political career for

10:32

the majority of his life. And you see

10:34

kind of the issues with his son

10:37

and, like, that relationship. So his son is obviously, like,

10:39

lacking. Like, there's something that wasn't

10:42

given to him in his childhood, because you don't end

10:44

up with, like, addiction and all of those kind of issues,

10:47

because you had a lovey-dovey childhood,

10:49

or you had a great role model, or, you know,

10:52

parents were there for you, all of that. So how

10:55

do you create global companies

10:58

while still putting your family first? Because I

11:00

think we were raised on this idea that you

11:03

have, it's a payoff. Like, you have to sacrifice

11:05

for your family. And then what

11:07

ends up happening is you sacrifice your family.

11:10

Right.

11:11

So we just

11:14

said the same thing in different ways.

11:17

We said the same thing. So

11:19

it's very interesting. You

11:22

mentioned

11:23

president. There's one vertical

11:25

I literally ignore. I completely

11:27

ignore it, no matter who's in charge. I don't, I

11:29

never even think about it unless someone brings it up. But

11:32

we partner with visionaries who live in abundance

11:34

and who look at things as investments, not costs. That's it.

11:37

So there's one vertical I literally ignore

11:39

in its politics. It's not because I don't like it. It's

11:41

just, it's the opposite of visionary abundance

11:43

investment mindset. It's argue

11:45

instead of, it's argue instead of do

11:48

anything. It's what does this program cost instead?

11:50

So I just think, I ignore it. I completely,

11:53

and then entrepreneurs going to get stuff done

11:55

no matter who's in charge. That's irrelevant.

11:57

So I just literally totally ignore it.

12:00

Jimmie Johnson, that

12:02

quote

12:04

you said really made

12:07

me think about this and it disgusted

12:09

me in a good way. Jimmie

12:11

Johnson won multiple Super Bowls with the

12:13

Dallas Cowboys national champion

12:15

coach with Miami Hurricanes football.

12:18

He wrote a book. He's

12:20

a TV

12:22

analyst, a star TV analyst

12:25

studio guy, I think on Fox.

12:27

He wrote a book

12:30

about his life and

12:34

he said this and I was like, wow, this is

12:36

amazing, but not surprising. He goes,

12:38

he wrote it for two reasons. He goes, one,

12:40

he's had a lot of interesting stories

12:42

in his life, you know, winning Super Bowls and stuff.

12:45

And then the second reason,

12:46

which almost made me vomited the

12:49

way your quote

12:50

did, he's like, oh, I wrote it as

12:52

an apology to my family because I never

12:55

saw them. And I'm

12:56

like, that's

12:58

the most miserable person I've ever met because

13:00

that's what I'm talking about. They

13:03

have all this stuff, most damaged, best coping skills.

13:05

So they have all this stuff

13:06

and then they torch their family in the process.

13:09

Okay. So thanks for saying that

13:11

it doesn't surprise me. So

13:13

and again, this is why I wrote the book there.

13:16

And there are 30 reasons or 30

13:18

chapters, 30 answers to that,

13:21

how to build collaborative global companies while putting

13:23

your loved ones first. I'll say the one

13:25

that really stands out to me is the chapter,

13:28

winning the wrong game, winning the wrong game.

13:31

And your quote was winning the wrong game, the

13:33

Jimmy Johnson story that's winning the wrong game. So

13:36

these folks are very smart. Entrepreneurs are all very

13:38

smart,

13:39

whether they went to school or not, but their IQ is usually

13:41

in the EQ or off the charts. That

13:45

one question, what game are you actually

13:47

winning? Because most entrepreneurs,

13:49

they don't even think about it. They're

13:51

focused on material things, not meaningful.

13:54

And so asking what game actually

13:56

matters is the first step of actually

13:58

realizing what game you're... what game you're winning.

14:02

That's the first step. The other, well, there's 30,

14:04

but the other is I found

14:07

not always, and you're an exception

14:09

for sure, but in a good way, but

14:12

people like us usually, but not always

14:14

marry stabilizing humans. Not always,

14:17

obviously, but usually, my wife's a pediatrician,

14:20

pure stabilizing human.

14:22

By the way, she's also become the

14:25

COO of a second company,

14:27

which is exclusive connectivity

14:29

platform. I never thought she would want to do

14:31

that, but she was like, oh, hey, I'd like

14:34

to be the COO of your second company and

14:36

pays out of pediatrics. I'm like, oh, great, thanks.

14:39

Great idea. That would be amazing.

14:42

But

14:42

so what I have found is the equivalent

14:44

to marrying a stabilizing human, if

14:47

you haven't or if you have,

14:49

is having a stabilizing, abundant

14:51

mindset, abundance and grateful mindset,

14:53

having that mindset of

14:56

gratitude constantly. The first thing

14:58

I do every day is a grateful journal to my wife. What

15:00

I'm grateful for her every single day,

15:02

most important thing for her is for someone

15:04

to say thank you to her. So I do that. Six

15:08

days a week, we live in Chicago,

15:11

so terrible weather most of the time. So

15:13

six days a week for the last 20 years, I've run outside

15:16

between three and five miles every day,

15:18

and then listen to shows like these

15:20

while I'm running or listening to Outwitting the Devil

15:23

while I'm running. So you're beating

15:25

brain, heart, lungs, muscles,

15:27

whatever, with positive content

15:30

and positive air and energy.

15:32

And then five days a week,

15:35

Grateful Journal on LinkedIn, what

15:38

I'm grateful for that day, and I'll include

15:40

this interview in that. But

15:42

I found if you're constantly grateful, it's

15:44

really hard to be. Well,

15:46

it does happen sometimes, but it's really hard.

15:49

And then that gratitude,

15:50

the gratitude attracts other grateful

15:52

people,

15:53

and it repels arrogance ungrateful.

16:00

I love gratitude journals. I think it's such

16:02

a good practice that not enough people do. And

16:05

I think there is some kind of quantum

16:07

magic to it as well, which is like the more

16:09

you're focusing on that, the more abundance

16:11

actually shows up and the more opportunities

16:13

show up. And it seems like woo woo

16:16

or it seems like, you know what

16:18

I mean? Like it doesn't exist or it's a fable,

16:20

but everyone that does it

16:23

says nothing but the benefits and how it has

16:25

changed their life. So what is the

16:27

worst that's gonna happen is that you spend a couple of minutes

16:29

journaling before bed or

16:31

when you wake up. It's like, try it before

16:33

you discount it.

16:36

Well, it's an interesting thing that you said woo.

16:38

In strength finders,

16:41

like there's a woo in strength finders

16:43

which is winning others over. I didn't even know what that meant,

16:45

but

16:46

woo. I'm like very low

16:48

in woo. So like, and dead

16:50

last and empathy, second to last and includeer.

16:53

For people like us, I have endless

16:55

empathy and inclusion, but like

16:57

I am not a feelings type of, I'm

17:00

a pure execution doer, doer, doer.

17:03

So like, it's not about woo, it's

17:05

about like, this is,

17:07

my brain turns everything into patterns and good

17:09

patterns become good habits.

17:11

And then I was in an entrepreneur room the other

17:13

day, a strategic coach, great, great

17:16

entrepreneur group. Your husband and I met in

17:18

abundance 360, which is also

17:20

an incredible entrepreneur group. But

17:22

we were talking about

17:24

patterns and habits

17:26

and then it was a fascinating group discussion. And

17:29

then through that, I realized the best

17:31

habits become the best rituals.

17:34

So patterns become habits and

17:36

then the very best habits become the best rituals.

17:38

So the

17:39

a grateful journal to my wife, that's a ritual.

17:42

The running outside six days a week and listening

17:44

to shows like that, that's a ritual. And

17:46

then the grateful journal on LinkedIn, that's a ritual.

17:49

And I think having that grateful mindset is

17:51

a hundred percent of ritual. And then that just

17:53

attracts other grateful people.

17:55

I wonder what my woo is. I don't know if I looked

17:57

at that, but that would be- Would you send it to me? I'll

17:59

have- to take it. I went to take that print test

18:02

and it's linked to PayPal and I'm

18:04

banned on all

18:07

PayPal for it. I didn't know that. Oh,

18:09

thanks for that. Yeah. So I couldn't check

18:11

out and then it got my IP and now

18:13

it's like you can't access

18:14

this. It's like, damn it.

18:17

I have to go on Eric's phone now and create another

18:19

email. I do want to take it. I thought that was interesting

18:21

when you were talking about your score and your wife's

18:23

score because it's just

18:25

a really cool way to

18:28

have a tangible

18:31

visual of what is making

18:33

your relationship dynamic work and

18:35

then what's also maybe making it not work

18:38

so that you can improve upon it in a way

18:40

that doesn't feel personal. So

18:42

it's not like your partner's coming

18:44

at you with a personal attack. No, these are strengths

18:47

and weaknesses and how can we figure this out

18:49

to optimize the relationship? Well,

18:51

one, thanks for saying that. Two, I can

18:53

help provide even though I'm very low in context,

18:56

I can provide that in this case with

18:58

an actual answer, at least three

19:01

quarters of it. So

19:02

your husband is a four three print.

19:04

So four is to like

19:08

find harmony and love

19:10

and that kind of stuff. So he's a that's a

19:13

feeler and then three is to succeed and

19:15

achieve. So he's a

19:16

feeler doer. Okay. That's your

19:19

husband. I'm guessing you're some mix

19:21

of feeler doer. You're definitely

19:24

if you're not an eight,

19:26

which is strong and self-reliant and then maybe

19:28

some type of the feeling ones, I would

19:30

be I mean, if you're not an eight,

19:33

I'd be flabbergasted.

19:33

I mean, it

19:36

would be so strong and self-reliant.

19:38

You're like that. I could be wrong. It's

19:40

unconscious motivators. But like, you're

19:43

like the ultimate eight. Okay, so I

19:46

am an eight three. This

19:49

is not me saying this, even though I'm saying it, but

19:52

in the really highest level entrepreneur

19:54

groups, most of them are eight three. So

19:56

eight is to be strong and self-reliant

19:58

and three is to succeed and achieve.

19:59

So there's no over feeling, no over

20:02

thinking, there's execute, execute, execute,

20:04

execute, execute, execute, execute, which

20:06

would make sense.

20:07

I would get if Elon Musk is not

20:09

an 8'3", I would be,

20:11

or a 3'8", succeed and achieve strong

20:13

and self-reliant, I'd be,

20:15

I mean, okay. So, and then my

20:17

wife, a pediatrician who

20:19

decided to become COO, her

20:21

decision, not mine, she is a 2'6". So 2

20:26

is to be needed and appreciated

20:29

and 6 is to feel safe and secure.

20:31

So that's a feeler thinker.

20:34

And so you, again, not always, usually

20:36

do-or-doers are married to feeler thinkers or

20:39

feeler feeler thinker thing,

20:41

a stabilizing human.

20:42

So your husband is a feeler

20:45

doer, I'm guessing you're a doer feeler

20:47

or a do-or-doer. Interesting.

20:50

Yeah. So use his name

20:53

to take it. For

20:55

sure. Have

20:58

you ever been super wrong about someone's assessment

21:00

where you look at them and you're like, you're the- Completely wrong?

21:02

Yeah. No, never. Never.

21:05

No.

21:06

That's so fascinating.

21:08

No, I know. So, oh,

21:11

so

21:12

that's, your brain's amazing.

21:14

But the,

21:16

so things that a

21:18

monkey and a child can do, I'm useless.

21:21

Like I don't know how to hold a pencil and

21:23

like I do, but it's really hard. And like tying

21:25

my shoes is very difficult. And like in

21:28

these interviews, even though I'm looking at the screen now, I

21:30

never look at the screen. I'm like staring around

21:32

looking in space. But

21:35

so my life's purpose is

21:37

to be, purpose of life is to be connecting superhero

21:40

for every visionary, visionary, not human,

21:42

not business owner, not consult visionary

21:45

who shares their stories with the world, the their

21:47

world. I,

21:48

very confusing has always been.

21:50

So for people like us,

21:52

endless understanding

21:54

and wanting to understand people like

21:57

us and endless, endless empathy,

21:59

endless inclusion.

21:59

And then I've talked to so

22:02

many people like us, I see the patterns and

22:04

then it's like, oh, here's here's your

22:06

answer So what has happened through

22:09

most of my life learning about people like us? I

22:11

know more about

22:13

people like us than the people themselves Like

22:15

I can talk to someone like you and know

22:18

more about you then than you do probably

22:20

Because I literally talked to thousands

22:23

upon thousands of you and then regular

22:25

humans they I'm bored by it It's

22:27

annoying to me

22:28

because they're making excuses

22:31

So that's why I'm never wrong Yeah,

22:34

because you have enough pattern to recognize

22:36

the patterns that here's the answer every

22:38

now and then there's an anomaly But

22:40

like not a giant not a

22:42

giant

22:43

miss So

22:46

what are some characteristics of a visionary

22:49

if someone's trying to figure out am I in

22:51

this category or am I not? Okay,

22:54

and just as background for those who

22:56

want a deep dive chapter 2 of epic life

22:59

is the perfection of patterns Okay, so

23:02

it's a deep dive on this answer

23:05

And again, all I do is talk to people like us and

23:07

blah blah blah answer blah blah blah Okay,

23:11

so

23:13

in terms of

23:15

Colby KOLB, that's how your brain

23:17

takes action. I

23:18

don't care what someone's personality is.

23:20

I want to know if they're gonna do something

23:22

Overwhelming majority of visionaries

23:25

again, not business owner not consultant

23:27

not not human not not a visionary

23:30

visionary is at least an eight quick start

23:33

urinate quick start ten is the highest

23:35

a

23:36

Ten quick start in regular

23:38

human world is one out of 200 in

23:41

my world. It's like one out of ten It's actually

23:43

going down to like one out of nine. I just

23:46

I talked to so many tens, but

23:48

I'm a seven quick start a seven

23:51

or under

23:52

can become a visionary Occasionally,

23:54

but they have to have extraordinarily high IQ

23:57

and or EQ they can game the system

24:00

More often than almost always it's an eight, nine

24:02

or ten. Okay, so that's one.

24:04

Most visionaries, not

24:07

all, they have little to no follow

24:09

through, so that's ADD, diagnosed or undiagnosed,

24:12

that's not a disorder, sign a genius

24:14

mislabeled by humans who don't understand us.

24:17

And then if they don't hire a million people, total

24:19

disaster because there's no follow through. So

24:21

I'm the very rare visionary that has high

24:23

quick start and high follow. Say it, do

24:25

it, say it, do it. Get the gas pump. Okay,

24:27

so that's one. And Gallup, Clifton

24:30

Strengthfinders,

24:32

G-A-L-L-U-P, Clifton

24:34

Strengthfinders, most visionaries,

24:37

again, not all, most of them have a mix of

24:39

ideation and or futuristic, so

24:41

they're often wherever

24:43

that world is,

24:45

but they have a mix of activator, maximizer

24:48

and or achiever. So they're often

24:50

ideal world, but they'll do something about it.

24:53

They won't wait 300 years, they'll do

24:55

it now. I'm almost dead

24:57

last in ideation, very low and futuristic,

24:59

but top three are activate, maximize,

25:02

achieve. So blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, simplify,

25:04

activate, maximize, achieve, blah, blah, blah, activate,

25:07

maximize, net.

25:08

And then so can keep

25:11

up with the visionary and follow through.

25:13

And then the third one is print.

25:16

Enneagram is similar.

25:18

It's similar. Most

25:21

visionaries have at least an

25:23

eight or three or both in

25:25

them. So again, eight strong and self-reliant,

25:28

three is to succeed and achieve. If

25:30

you don't have an eight, I'd be just

25:32

completely

25:33

shocked by that.

25:35

Could be wrong, though. So if

25:38

you are a visionary and especially if you are

25:40

one that I feel

25:42

like there's probably different the gradient is probably

25:45

pretty wide. So you have some people that are way

25:47

out 3000 years ahead and some people that are maybe

25:49

thinking 10 years ahead. But if

25:51

you're one of those people further along

25:54

on that spectrum, is there any

25:56

is there any way that

25:59

you can kind of. reel it in so you can take

26:01

into it into account the zeitgeist

26:03

and timing because sometimes if you have

26:06

an idea and society and culture

26:07

are meaningless without action.

26:10

Right. Right. Or people that are

26:12

ready to adopt it. That's correct.

26:14

Bad, bad time. So here, a true

26:16

visionary

26:18

will take action,

26:20

see what happens with the idea and maybe it's

26:22

the right time. Maybe it isn't, but a true visionary will

26:24

do it. They will do it. The business

26:26

owner, the

26:28

business

26:29

owner, the human, the consultant will wait on it 15 years,

26:33

ready, aim, aim, aim,

26:35

aim, aim,

26:38

and then nothing will ever get fired.

26:40

And then those are those, you know,

26:42

nothing ever happens. The visionary

26:45

will fire for the most part, fire,

26:47

fire, fire, fire, fire, fire,

26:50

aim, no aiming, maybe ready.

26:53

And that's what,

26:54

and then that's the only way to actually learn something

26:56

is to see what happens. And then there's

26:58

the,

26:59

there's the adjustment. That's what it, that's

27:02

what it is. And again, high quick start

27:04

hike. That's what high quick start means is me

27:06

and they'll,

27:07

they'll take action. They'll

27:09

take action to see what happens.

27:11

My limits test is my, I wish I could have

27:13

gotten his Colby, but

27:15

he died in 1991 when I was 13, but

27:18

I didn't know what Colby was, but that

27:20

it's my father. My limits test is

27:22

my dad. He was 61 when I was born

27:25

and he was world war two hero

27:27

shot down multiple times in combat many

27:29

times without a parachute. And he just got, he would

27:31

just get back into the plane.

27:33

So that's really, that's a litmus

27:35

test for a visionary.

27:37

I mean, that's what I, that's why, I mean,

27:39

I, you have to be an eight, I would think, or

27:41

a three in your print

27:43

shot down multiple times. And

27:46

I mean, you're,

27:49

I mean, it's just a, like your life is just so

27:51

fascinating to me and, and, and

27:54

your genetics too. Like you're, I mean,

27:57

Japanese, Jewish, English,

27:59

what else are you? What else? Spanish. I

28:01

mean, like

28:04

you're an entrepreneur, genetic,

28:07

like a nationality brain. It's amazing.

28:10

Yeah,

28:10

there's a lot of fight in there. Oh, I mean,

28:13

oh, my. You

28:15

have like Zen. I

28:17

mean, think of the Spanish. I'm

28:21

Russian, Jewish, Spanish, but I don't have Japanese

28:23

or the or the English.

28:25

I don't have. I don't think I.

28:27

But my partner is Japanese, Chinese for

28:30

a second company. Oh, really? Yeah.

28:34

Yeah, that's so interesting. Yeah, I

28:37

wanted to ask you. I've heard you talk

28:39

about the 80 D and the ADHD a couple of times.

28:41

Is that what the driven book is about?

28:43

Yes. Yeah. And so Dr. Doug

28:45

Brackman, that's like the definitive book on 80

28:48

D, ADHD, again, not a

28:50

disorder.

28:51

And then there are four types of visionaries,

28:53

only four that I again pattern.

28:55

So one is a D D ADHD.

28:58

Most of the not all, most people I talk

29:00

to have that. The second is minor Asperger's.

29:03

My wife is

29:05

a pediatrician, is unofficially diagnosed

29:07

me with that. I would

29:08

I mean, my wife actually asked me to stop

29:11

diagnosing people, but but

29:14

OK, so I'm I'm sure on that. Three

29:17

is dyslexia. Thirty percent of

29:19

hype. There are multiple articles on this, but 30

29:21

percent of high performing entrepreneurs are dyslexic.

29:24

They can't learn one way

29:26

or they can't read. So they go into.

29:29

They put

29:30

them in a different classroom or

29:32

in the basement or whatever it is and figure

29:34

it out and then for

29:36

again, exceptionally high IQ and

29:38

or.

29:39

So they're you know, whatever spectrum

29:41

that is, they're just not human.

29:43

So with are you familiar with Gabor

29:45

Maté's work in his? No, no.

29:47

OK, so his opinion is

29:50

he's like this clinical psychologist.

29:52

He talks a lot about he got, I guess, really

29:54

famous for addiction and his

29:56

work with ADD. It's his opinion

29:59

that.

31:54

to

32:00

check it out, but I think that one's the one that's focused

32:02

on ADD and I thought that that's interesting

32:04

because I took that driven test

32:07

and I was pretty much like off of- Right,

32:09

which I thought you'd be, right. ... the parameters

32:11

and I was like, okay, so I guess I have

32:14

this, but I had no idea and looking back at

32:16

my experience with education, it was horrible.

32:18

I would come home crying, I would

32:20

have the most anxiety before a test.

32:24

Right, of course. You know what I mean? And

32:26

I would just feel like the dumbest person in the room. Like, why

32:28

is this working for everyone and it's not working

32:30

for me? Right. And it's like how we're

32:32

just failing so many young

32:35

blossoming minds because they learn differently.

32:37

So we have-

32:38

So there's your feeling. So you're a doer feeler.

32:40

Yeah, so you're feeling with empathy

32:43

and so here,

32:46

I'm going to dovetail that.

32:50

My brain literally only

32:52

focuses on people like us because people

32:54

like, or people like you, I should say, with

32:57

more empathy than me or more inclusion

32:59

because people like you help everyone else. I

33:01

never think about everyone else. I think about people

33:04

like us that can help everyone else

33:06

and then people like you help everyone

33:08

else. That's how I help everyone else.

33:10

So what are you trying to help people with?

33:13

Again, purpose of my life is to be connecting

33:15

superhero for every visionary who shares their stories

33:18

with our world. That's it. So

33:20

I'm either spending time with a stabilizing human, really

33:22

smart, beautiful wife, or Anne

33:25

are two young

33:29

maniac pioneer, maniacs

33:31

a compliment, entrepreneur children, they're

33:33

nine and 10, or talking to people like us and

33:35

connecting them.

33:36

And I hear the same problem. I

33:39

hear the same problem.

33:40

We're tired of being best secret. We want to

33:42

be more news media connected to people

33:44

like us to create more validity and credibility.

33:47

And I need to talk to people who understand what I'm talking

33:50

about. So all I do is talk to people who

33:52

understand what we're talking about, and then I just connect them to

33:54

other people like that.

33:55

So that's, that's what I hear. I've

33:58

heard that my whole life. life

34:00

because we're aliens. And so I just connect

34:03

aliens to aliens and then aliens help

34:05

everyone else. They help humans. The

34:07

EQ bit is interesting. So a while

34:10

back, Eric and I did this neurofeedback

34:12

program out in Arizona.

34:14

And you have

34:16

your intake and they do IQ and EQ in

34:19

the beginning and then they do it at the end of

34:21

the week. You took your IQ?

34:23

I think it was some kind of IQ test. But

34:26

we've talked about this where I feel that

34:28

those aren't necessarily very accurate because

34:30

if you are neurodivergent, it's not going

34:33

to necessarily reflect that. So

34:35

I took one for this intake for

34:37

this health program. Eric and I are on a wait

34:39

list for, and they only work with certain

34:41

kinds of clients. They do a whole

34:44

background check on you before you come in. And

34:46

one of the assessments was IQ. And for

34:49

some reason, I scored higher than Eric

34:51

did. That

34:52

doesn't surprise me at all. It surprises me

34:54

and I don't agree with the results because he

34:56

is smarter than me. He just- That does nothing

34:58

to IQ's pattern recognition.

35:01

And I feel like he's probably better at that as well. So

35:03

he has ADD and he occasionally

35:06

will take medicine for it. It

35:08

can affect the way that he functions.

35:11

So if he is neurodivergent,

35:13

then those IQ tests are not made

35:15

for people with it

35:17

that are divergent of any

35:19

proclivity. You have to have a very stereotypical

35:22

mind to take that test. So

35:24

I feel, I don't know, like how accurate

35:26

can it be? And they didn't give us the scores.

35:28

They just kind of showed us a bar and there was like red,

35:30

we don't take you in green, you're a perfect candidate.

35:33

And-

35:34

Okay, well, I can give you. So

35:37

if both of you are not,

35:39

okay. So 140 and

35:41

above is a genius. That's less than 1% of

35:44

the population.

35:46

The lowest IQ of anyone I've

35:48

talked to in the last two years is 128. For

35:50

a human, that's still

35:53

pretty smart. The highest I've talked to is 173. That

35:56

person was not a human. There's

35:58

like a cyborg.

35:59

That person has a normal

36:02

human girlfriend. He won't even go out in public

36:04

with her because

36:05

he just can't do it. When you get over 160, there's

36:09

like no human understanding. People

36:11

like that are very tough to have a family.

36:13

I would guess, well, I would guess both

36:16

of you are over 140, maybe over 150. I

36:21

don't think you're over 160. That's

36:23

good, by the way. And then

36:25

my wife and I are hilariously both 139. So

36:28

we're bridged between

36:29

genius and human. But I'm actually glad

36:32

that's like a perfect score actually

36:34

for purpose of life because I can

36:36

bridge between

36:37

genius and human. But

36:39

again, most of the people I talk to

36:41

are ADD diagnosed or undiagnosed, and

36:44

most of them are over 140. OK,

36:46

so they can take the test and it's still relaxed.

36:48

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, oh, yeah. Yeah,

36:50

they're. Yeah, and it's those

36:53

four things, ADD,

36:57

Asperger's, dyslexia and then high

37:00

IQ, EQ. I've talked to two people that were

37:02

all four. That was amazing. I never

37:05

thought I'd meet someone who was all four of those. I

37:07

mean, that is a lot.

37:08

Oh, my God. And then one of them was a 10 quick

37:10

start.

37:11

I mean, and and

37:13

then he also had he was all four

37:16

of the bankruptcy, potential bankruptcy,

37:18

depression, trauma and anxiety.

37:21

And so he's started the foundation.

37:24

I'll say this in general. But

37:25

he started a foundation to help with

37:28

suicide awareness and he's partnering with like

37:30

top bands and musicians on planet.

37:32

That would make sense. That is a logical.

37:36

That's a logical thing for his all

37:38

both all

37:40

fours. That would make perfect sense. Mm

37:43

hmm.

37:44

Yeah. Well, I guess where I was going.

37:46

So after the neurofeed feedback

37:48

is your EQ will go up significantly.

37:51

It's something that within a week you can

37:53

gain several points, like even a right 10

37:56

points on it just from essentially

37:58

practicing meditation.

37:59

and purposefully getting into an alpha

38:02

or theta or- That's a good ritual,

38:04

absolutely. Yeah,

38:07

so I think if

38:08

you're low in that, it's probably easier

38:10

to raise your EQ than it would be for your IQ, even

38:13

though your IQ is supposed to go up by a couple of points

38:15

also by the end of the week.

38:17

That's good context, thanks for

38:19

telling me that.

38:21

Again, what I have seen is

38:25

someone either has the EQ and

38:27

or IQ,

38:29

and then I have not done research

38:31

in this, but

38:33

multiple genius entrepreneurs have told me about

38:36

it. There's a new thing called XQ, experience

38:39

quotient.

38:40

And if you have the IQ and EQ, you

38:42

can create

38:43

the experience quotient, which I think is actually

38:45

similar to EQ, but maybe not.

38:48

Yeah, it does seem like they'd be in the

38:50

same realm. And then I've heard of adaptability

38:53

quotient as well. So we do this

38:55

training every so often. Eric's gone

38:58

more than I do, but it's

38:59

essentially like psychology mixed with

39:02

real life stressors and situational

39:04

awareness. So they'll use close

39:06

quarters combat with fighting

39:09

and ammunition. And

39:11

then

39:12

let's say you're doing target practice and

39:14

you're running through this obstacle and you miss the last

39:16

one every single time. Well, they'll figure out how

39:18

that reflects in your day-to-day life. Like, why

39:21

do you always miss on the execution? And

39:23

then so they measure your AQ, how

39:25

can you adapt under stress? I

39:28

mean, the guy basically was trying to drown someone

39:30

during one of the trainings. Perfect. And

39:33

he's submerging them. And it's like, how well can

39:35

you think under the most immense physical amount

39:37

of stress? And then again, related to day-to-day

39:39

life, which is

39:40

fucking fascinating. That makes perfect

39:42

sense. I mean, so yeah,

39:44

I shot down an airplane,

39:47

World War II, without a parachute many times,

39:49

you just got back into a plane.

39:50

In a couple of weeks, I'm

39:53

taking my, our sons are,

39:55

they're both nine quick start to follow through pure

39:58

pioneers. And I'm taking them.

40:00

Asian carp fishing

40:02

with a bow and arrow. Oh my gosh. Yeah,

40:05

right. Yeah. So they jump

40:07

out of the water and then you shoot them with a bow and arrow. And

40:09

we're really excited.

40:11

We're really... And then

40:13

I took them a

40:15

couple months ago to the movie, Cocaine

40:17

Bear.

40:17

This is actually... This

40:20

will make sense. And it will explain things.

40:22

So Cocaine Bear, that's...

40:24

For a human child, that is not a movie.

40:27

So we're laughing hysterically. For

40:31

those who don't know, it's about a bear that, I guess it's based

40:33

on a true story, it bounced

40:34

from cocaine and then it started killing people.

40:37

And so we

40:39

were laughing at it hysterically. And

40:42

then my 10-year-old brought

40:45

his 10-year-old friend, who's a really good kid,

40:47

but he's a human. And then

40:49

his friend is crying, shirt

40:51

over his face. So we had to leave the theater.

40:55

And

40:57

I told his parents, I go, this is a very violent

40:59

movie. Are you sure you want him to

41:00

go? And they're like, yeah, it's okay.

41:03

But it wasn't okay.

41:05

But that's the difference.

41:09

It's the difference between

41:11

the hunter brain and the farmer brain. That's

41:13

what it is. So you think that there

41:16

is just probably

41:18

even millions of years worth of data that

41:20

makes some people okay with

41:23

that stressor and that violence. So if

41:25

you do have a hunter brain, you're not

41:27

going to be overwhelmed by something like that.

41:30

No, I mean, no, no, no. Okay. So

41:32

one of the chat... Okay, talk is meaningless

41:34

to me. It's meaningless.

41:36

So two years ago, my wife and I went

41:39

to lunch. So we go to lunch every Wednesday

41:41

and or Thursday. And

41:44

so where we live is, I mean,

41:46

one of the safest places on the planet, knock on

41:48

wood.

41:50

So we were going to lunch and we pulled

41:52

into a parking spot and I got

41:54

out of the car and then I looked behind me. And

41:57

then there was a guy laying in the

41:59

car. in a pool of blood. And I

42:01

said, don't really, you don't usually see that in my

42:03

neighborhood, but I was

42:06

a journalist for 20 years in Chicago

42:08

and that area. So, you know, witnessed

42:11

and reported on shootings and all that

42:13

stuff.

42:15

So I yelled at the guy, I'm like, hey, have you been

42:17

shot? Which is something in my neighborhood you don't ask

42:19

that.

42:19

And

42:21

then he goes, yeah.

42:24

And then there was a guy in the car with him

42:27

who said, yeah, my friend's been shot. And

42:29

then that guy got into the car and drove

42:31

away. I was like, that was interesting.

42:33

But anyway, so then there were

42:36

a bunch of

42:37

people staring at it and I'm

42:40

yelling at the people. I go, you cannot

42:42

go, you gotta get away from the bot. He

42:44

wasn't dead, he was dying though.

42:46

I go, you gotta,

42:47

don't go near, he called 911 because

42:50

one,

42:50

the guy with the gun that left could have

42:52

come back and shot him. There could have been another

42:55

guy in the parking lot that would have finished

42:57

the job. But most people were just,

43:00

they were staring there like sheep, they had no idea

43:02

what was going on. But I like immediately and instinctively

43:05

just

43:05

knew. I mean, I just knew

43:08

it. And then my wife, it was very

43:10

interesting too because she's a doctor. She

43:12

wanted to rush in and help. And I told

43:14

her, no, you can't go over

43:16

there because you're not gonna get killed for

43:19

this. You're not gonna do that.

43:21

So it was like,

43:23

it's very interesting to see how, 99% of

43:26

the world just stared like

43:29

deer in the headlights and then my wife who's trained

43:31

to help.

43:32

And then me, it's

43:34

just genetically in my blood to understand

43:37

people getting shot and blood and chaos.

43:39

And here's

43:40

how to actually lead this

43:42

situation. Yeah, it's interesting. They say

43:44

almost the more people that are there, there's

43:46

this disbursement of responsibility.

43:49

So you push it off onto someone else and you

43:51

assume that they're gonna pick it up so then it's

43:54

not up to you. And

43:57

I just had a story pop into my mind

43:59

when you were telling. that hasn't

44:01

come to me since it happened. So I was

44:05

probably eight and a half

44:07

months pregnant. I was super pregnant.

44:09

So it was over like last

44:12

summer. And Eric was away

44:14

for, I think he might've been in abundance

44:16

actually, but he was gone.

44:19

And

44:19

it's the dead of heat in

44:22

the South and I'm walking

44:24

around and I have my crop top on and some leggings

44:27

and the AC guy comes over,

44:29

we're getting like a new HVAC system put in

44:31

because we bought an old house. So the

44:33

guy comes over with his 18 year

44:35

old son and

44:36

they're supposed to be installing stuff

44:39

on the roof and I'm like, okay. And I have my toddler

44:41

with me and it's nap time.

44:44

And

44:45

all of a sudden, like I'm getting my, my

44:47

toddler ready to wind down. Someone knocks

44:50

on the door and I go, that's weird. It's his son.

44:52

His son comes and he just

44:55

blanks there, no emotion whatsoever. And

44:57

he's like, um,

44:59

my dad fell off the roof and

45:01

I was like, is he okay?

45:03

And he goes, I don't know. I was like, did you

45:06

try to talk to him? He's like, he's not responding. I'm

45:08

like, did you call him? Did you call 911? And he's like,

45:10

no, I

45:13

didn't know to do. I'm like,

45:14

that's step one. So I had

45:16

to grab my child, throw

45:18

him into the crib. So he's crying

45:20

cause I didn't want him to see ambulances or whatever.

45:23

I had no idea what I was walking out. I

45:25

go out, there was a met

45:27

like a, um, like almost like a

45:29

step and he had hit his head on it. So

45:32

he's laying there eyes wide

45:34

open, blood everywhere,

45:37

not responsive, not moving. And, uh,

45:39

he's not even blinking. So I have to go over

45:42

and I feel his pulse. I

45:44

feel that he's moving. I had to go inside, grab

45:47

a towel and giving it to his son. I'm like, you need to hold

45:49

this on like his wound. Don't move

45:51

his neck calling 911

45:53

all in the like this waddling around,

45:56

like massively pregnant. And I'm just,

45:58

I'm not reacting.

45:59

I'm just responding to everything.

46:02

All the paramedics come and I'm like, I had

46:04

to clean up everything. That's what people don't realize. When accidents

46:07

like this happen, like you have to clean

46:09

it up. So there's this

46:10

coagulated blood everywhere

46:13

that now me eight and a half months,

46:16

I'm scrubbing off of the cement in

46:18

a 110 degree weather. And his son

46:20

is just sitting there like a deer.

46:23

Right. And he's 18.

46:25

Right. So I was- That's not

46:27

gonna change. Flabbergasted. That's

46:30

humans. I was like, how are

46:32

you? How do you not have the

46:34

AQ?

46:34

This is a human.

46:36

No, he's human. To dial 911. And

46:38

I called Eric and I was like, honestly, I've never been in a situation

46:41

like this in my life. Thank God the guy lived

46:44

and he's okay. It was definitely

46:46

dicey for a minute. You don't

46:48

know how you're gonna show up in that situation until it happens.

46:51

Right.

46:51

And I was shocked. I was just

46:54

shocked that I was just focused

46:56

and able to just execute on whatever had

46:58

to be done. Here's what's interesting about

47:01

you to me is that you're surprised

47:03

at yourself all the time. None of this surprises

47:06

me at all. This is,

47:06

I mean, this is logical.

47:09

This is what I mean. Like I see the patterns and like I

47:11

knew more. I think I understand

47:14

you better than maybe you understand yourself with that.

47:16

Like, of course you're gonna, I

47:18

mean the trauma and that you've

47:20

overcome the, like you're the ultimate

47:22

strong and self. So like that's

47:24

perfectly logical.

47:28

Like I would,

47:29

I mean, but that's most humans that

47:31

would just stare like,

47:34

this is not funny, but can you imagine

47:36

like someone close to you that happening and you're just

47:39

staring like you knock on someone's

47:41

door. But that's most humans. That's

47:44

why I don't talk to them. Cause it's a pointless. And

47:46

so, oh yeah. So one of the, I'm not, I

47:48

haven't written it yet. I'm not going to yet because

47:51

I'm waiting for the second company

47:53

to take off. Then whenever

47:55

I write a third book, it'll be called Epic Family,

47:57

right? Cause like, oh, my wife's like joining the

47:59

second.

47:59

company and like, you know, I put

48:02

family first, like, why wouldn't you do that? But like,

48:04

one of the chapters will be, it

48:07

will be something like blame the umpire

48:09

and other things visionaries

48:11

don't do. So like, our

48:14

kids are both really good athletes, and then they're,

48:16

they're in travel sports and like travel baseball,

48:18

travel soccer,

48:20

both really good runners,

48:22

flag football. And then so you

48:24

have to go out into the human world for these things.

48:27

Like it's not,

48:28

it's not all people. In fact, there's no

48:30

one else like us really. So you see how humans

48:32

act, like for hours at a time.

48:35

And then, you know, you

48:37

know, 10 year old, it's funny, because

48:39

I'll write a chapter about it. But 10 year old baseball,

48:41

you see the humans blaming

48:43

an umpire in a 10 year old, you know, and then

48:46

the worst part is that the

48:48

humans blame the umpire and then the children

48:50

of the humans see them blaming the umpire.

48:52

So then they start to blame the umpire. And

48:54

then my kids start to blame the umpire. I go,

48:57

no, no, no, no, no,

48:58

people with weak mindset, blame the umpire people

49:00

with strong mindset, the visionary, they take accountability

49:03

for their own actions. So I'll turn it into a lesson

49:06

for them. But it's, it's hilarious

49:08

to see how human world works like that.

49:10

But that's most of the, that's

49:12

most of the world. Like when you go, you

49:14

know, when you leave your house and go out into whatever

49:16

you're doing, you see how they,

49:18

how they act, but the deer in the headlights,

49:20

like that's,

49:21

that's human society. That's what it is. And it's

49:23

not a bad or good thing. It's just,

49:25

that's just how their brains are.

49:27

And I feel like this is a great opportunity

49:30

for people to just introduce calculated

49:32

risk taking and stress.

49:34

So they can better handle it

49:36

if something happens. Whether that's like

49:38

go into a sauna or jump

49:41

into an ice bath or go do really serious

49:43

workout, right? Something that makes you feel

49:45

like I am, I'm gonna

49:48

die, right? Like I just did the assault bike this morning

49:50

at the gym, not eight

49:52

and a half

49:53

months pregnant. I am not

49:56

pregnant. But yeah, I

49:58

did the assault bike and I was like I'm gonna

50:00

die and sometimes you need a

50:02

little bit of that to like get out

50:04

the energy and then be able to deal with

50:07

customer service or whatever it

50:09

is that's gonna someone cutting you off

50:11

in traffic and it's not gonna take everything

50:13

away from you because you've already worked something

50:16

out that

50:16

is much bigger than that.

50:21

It's full calculated risk is the key like

50:23

most people they never take any risk they don't even

50:26

a 10

50:26

quick start will they don't they'll

50:28

do and you know a 9 quick

50:30

start will almost do anything in 8 quick start 8

50:33

and 7 are in the calculated risk

50:35

area when you get below a 7

50:38

very very very very

50:40

little risk. Five

50:42

year goal is on our vision board upstairs I guess

50:44

it would be four years from now I want to swim with

50:47

great white sharks in a cage that'll be

50:49

fun. What? That is not a calculator.

50:51

You're in a cage. No no no no no

50:53

did you see that video with the guy in the plexiglass

50:56

cage?

50:57

Oh it'll be fine. Yeah see okay so. It

50:59

was not fine. I

51:02

can't wait I can't wait to do I jumped out of an

51:04

airplane with a parachute a couple of

51:06

years ago they didn't put

51:09

a helmet on me the guy who I was strapped

51:11

to that he had a helmet on but I didn't and

51:13

then our I

51:15

like the time I'm like truly

51:17

at peace is like when I'm driving my car really

51:20

really fast sometimes with children

51:22

in the car

51:23

and it's it's a lot of fun but

51:25

that's a that's a calculated risk and I'm a safe

51:27

driver very focused but that's actually when

51:29

I focus the most

51:31

because you're like totally focused on the

51:33

on the task at hand and so skydiving

51:35

was totally focused driving really

51:38

fast really focused I think shooting the

51:40

Asian carp with bow and arrow that'll be total

51:42

focus that'll be an interesting thing to see how my

51:44

kids

51:45

enjoy that as well. I

51:48

want to look that up but it sounds kind of it

51:50

makes me think of that flow state which is the skills

51:52

challenge threshold so you have

51:54

to get yourself within a threshold in order to

51:57

achieve that state of flow but

51:59

with someone

51:59

who does have ADD specifically,

52:02

you do have that chasing a dopamine,

52:05

chasing a high, chasing a risk tendency.

52:07

So how do

52:08

you check in with yourself to make sure

52:10

that it is a calculated risk?

52:13

Winning the wrong game. Winning

52:15

the wrong game. Winning the wrong game. Winning the wrong game. Yep. Yeah.

52:17

That's the... I'm putting... Oh, wait. Hold on. I'm

52:19

putting it in the chat. Oh, wait. Can I put it in

52:21

the chat? Here. Oh, wait. I think I can. I'm putting

52:23

the car punter. Oh,

52:25

yeah. Thank you. That sounds

52:28

so cool. Yes.

52:31

Wait till you see the site. It'll be... it'll be incredible.

52:34

So... Yeah. I really wanted

52:36

to learn how to use a bow and do archery.

52:38

And I was going to go get fitted

52:41

and then I got pregnant and it was just

52:43

not the right season because I was riding... Bad

52:45

risk. That's a bad risk. That's a bad risk. Yeah.

52:47

I was doing a dressage and the horse

52:50

that I got actually was trained in hog

52:52

hunting. So he was... he

52:54

was a beast. I know.

52:56

Amazing. A horse hunting. Oh,

52:58

God. I could see you going

53:01

in one of those helicopters where they shoot the hogs

53:03

from the air. The boars. Yeah. Yeah. That'd

53:05

be fun. That

53:05

would be special. Yeah. I would do something like that. You would do that?

53:08

Yeah. I would do that. Yeah. That would be... Have

53:10

you heard of nutrients?

53:13

Those are those giant swamp rats in Louisiana.

53:15

I want to take the kids that... You go on one of those airboats

53:18

and you shoot them.

53:19

I want to take the kids on the air.

53:22

But that would be fun. I think that'd be fun.

53:26

Yeah. No. The helicopter has always interested me. But yeah. I

53:28

was like, I'm going to be like Katniss Eberdyne

53:30

and I'm going to be on my hog

53:32

horse with my bow. And

53:34

I just had this whole vision and then I

53:36

got pregnant. So I was like, I'm not going to... I

53:39

can't ride a horse anymore right now. And then this

53:41

is not the time to learn how to use a weapon. So

53:44

we'll revisit that later.

53:45

Okay. Well, yeah. You got time. So

53:48

that sounds like a good idea. That sounds fun.

53:50

Yeah. That sounds amazing. Yeah. Look

53:52

at that car hunting. I just

53:55

sent the link. Yeah. Yeah. You'll love it. Yeah. Let me

53:57

see what else I had. I journal

53:59

before I do the... these things because sometimes

54:02

I surprise myself and then other times it just

54:04

takes on its own life, which is usually the

54:06

best way. Agreed. Oh,

54:09

one thing I wanted to ask just selfishly

54:12

was finding

54:14

out how to navigate

54:16

business relationships based off of Colby. So

54:19

like finding someone that makes up for your weak spot

54:22

and then also isn't going to be so combative

54:24

because you want someone that compliments you, but

54:27

that's not necessarily an opposite. Oh

54:29

my

54:29

God, that's amazing.

54:31

Okay, I will answer that

54:34

as concisely and simply as possible,

54:37

but it requires

54:39

some

54:40

in-depth response

54:42

to that. So

54:44

those three things that we talked about, those assessments,

54:47

the Colby, the strength finders

54:51

and the print. So I'll

54:54

start with me because then you'll

54:56

understand why the partnership

54:58

works. So I'm an 8671 Colby, okay?

55:03

My partner is a 1596. So

55:07

one is his fact finder. I use the only one

55:09

factor I've ever met and then six

55:12

is his implementer, meaning he can build stuff

55:14

with his hands. I'm a one implementer. Again,

55:16

I can barely hold a pencil, right? So

55:18

he's built the platform. He's full backstage.

55:20

Perfect.

55:22

Strength finders.

55:24

My partner is competition,

55:27

maximizer, empathy. So

55:29

competition, maximizer, he's going to win

55:31

big at the highest level, but he's empathy

55:33

three, empathy.

55:35

I am dead last in empathy for

55:37

people like us. Endless empathy. My partner is empathy

55:39

for, he has empathy for empathy,

55:42

which is so that's

55:44

collaborative. It's collab

55:46

print. Is I'm

55:49

an eight three strong and self-reliant succeed

55:51

and achieve my partner Mark Fuduara. He's a

55:53

three eight

55:54

succeed and achieve strong and self-reliant. So

55:56

consciously we're collaborative,

55:59

collaborative.

56:00

unconsciously collaborative.

56:02

We have the same unconscious motivators.

56:04

It's collaborative. And then

56:06

he collaboratively helps me with

56:09

my, I guess, weaknesses.

56:11

Empathy, great, talk

56:14

to Mark. Empathy.

56:17

Or build something, talk to Mark. Backstage

56:19

something, talk to Mark.

56:20

And then with personal, which is

56:23

now actually turned into business, which I never

56:25

expected, but

56:27

this is what happens when

56:29

you have the right mindset, it attracts the right network

56:31

and creates the right opportunities. So,

56:34

my Colby, again, 8, 6, 7, 1, my wife is 8, 7, 4, 2. So

56:40

she has lower quick start,

56:41

but higher follow.

56:44

Her number one strength finder is harmony.

56:48

I mean, I

56:50

still like, I can't even understand. I'm 31 out

56:53

of 34 in harmony. So, again,

56:56

collaborative harmony. She's second

56:58

in relater,

56:59

but third in achiever,

57:01

as am I. I'm an achiever third.

57:03

So she achieves, she wants to achieve, she just

57:05

does it with harmony and relation.

57:08

I do it with activation and maximize.

57:10

I just do it and then, oh, harmony,

57:12

joy, woo. And then, and

57:15

then,

57:16

and by the way, she's brought harmony

57:19

and relation as a bridge between

57:22

me and my partner, Mark. She's

57:24

brought harmony and relation. So that's collaborative.

57:27

And then print unconscious. I'm 8,

57:30

3, go, go, do it, do it, do it, do it, do

57:32

it, do it. And then my wife is

57:34

needed and appreciated

57:36

and safe and secure. So she is, I'm

57:40

endlessly grateful for that.

57:42

She taught me how to say thank you. She taught me

57:44

how to be appreciative

57:46

of her constantly. And then she's

57:50

made me feel safe and secure. Her safety

57:52

and security and harmony has been somewhat

57:54

absorbed into me. And then she has a

57:56

more interesting life now. She's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's,

57:59

She's phasing out of pediatrics to become

58:02

COO of second company.

58:03

She never would have done that

58:05

if she had not married someone like

58:07

me. She never would have done that. She would have constantly

58:09

wanted to be safe and secure, but now she's taking

58:12

more chances in life. So

58:13

that's how it's done, again,

58:16

from a really a life perspective.

58:18

I don't even really like saying business, but to

58:20

me it's just a collaborative life with

58:22

business being a byproduct of that.

58:25

Yeah, it's beautiful.

58:27

Because I feel like a lot of times when

58:30

we want something, especially if we're younger and

58:32

in the building phase, we don't necessarily think

58:35

of the second and third order of consequences

58:37

of going into business with someone and you

58:39

don't go over principles or values or long-term

58:41

vision. You're just like, oh, you have the capital.

58:44

I have this idea. Let's do it. And

58:46

that's kind of the end of the conversation. That's a material

58:48

thing, yeah. Mm-hmm. And then all

58:50

of a sudden you're an adult and you realize you are nowhere

58:53

on the same page. The business gets stuck

58:55

because one person wants

58:56

it to be safe, secure, and

58:58

stagnant and the other person has this

59:01

idea to expand and you're

59:03

just never going to see eye to eye.

59:05

Well, one, that's tremendous.

59:08

And

59:09

how you describe that, I would say it's

59:11

a business partnership, not a...

59:14

It's just not. So like

59:17

Donald Miller, I don't remember what

59:19

the book is called. He's written a bunch of it.

59:24

In one of the books, he talks about writing

59:26

your own eulogy.

59:28

And at first I'm like, I don't

59:30

know. But then I'm like, oh, that's a pretty good idea.

59:34

And

59:36

so I wrote it and

59:38

look at it every now and then. But

59:41

first it thanks my wife for giving

59:43

me a life and then it said like, and then

59:45

my children, but mostly my wife. And

59:47

then it was like,

59:49

I tried to be a good dad

59:51

and husband first and then sometimes I got into

59:53

a lot of trouble because I'm impulsive, which that

59:55

would make sense with a quick start activator.

59:58

And then it also thanked...

59:59

partner, Mark Fujawara,

1:00:02

for a lifelong friendship, a friendship.

1:00:05

And then the byproduct of that

1:00:07

was a successful global company

1:00:09

that connected visionaries who

1:00:11

created things for everyone else.

1:00:14

But I think having that lifetime perspective

1:00:16

of the same values,

1:00:18

the same values in a partnership perspective

1:00:21

is far, it's just far different. It's

1:00:23

totally different, totally different

1:00:25

than material. And

1:00:27

again, brain turns everything to patterns, everything.

1:00:30

Business owners, humans,

1:00:32

whatever that world is,

1:00:35

they care about revenue, office

1:00:37

space, employee account,

1:00:39

the thing that you just said, like, oh, here's my idea, here's

1:00:42

the capital to do it.

1:00:43

So they're trying to change their

1:00:45

world, they're a true visionary.

1:00:48

They care about purpose, spending time with

1:00:50

loved ones, collaborating, and

1:00:53

they're trying to change the world. So

1:00:55

it's a fundamental difference between the world people

1:00:58

and their world. It's just most people are the

1:01:00

world people. They're

1:01:02

they're trying to change their world. And then the world

1:01:04

people

1:01:05

are already changing the world or they will

1:01:07

do whatever it takes to become one of them. They

1:01:09

won't make an excuse. They'll get back into

1:01:11

a plane without

1:01:13

a parachute after another one's been shot down. What

1:01:16

would you say is the best

1:01:18

investment you've made in yourself?

1:01:21

Well, that's a redundant question because

1:01:24

it's it's investing in yourself.

1:01:26

So that's a that's such a good question because

1:01:28

like

1:01:30

so I see these Facebook groups and

1:01:32

like someone will ask what's the

1:01:34

what's the what's the best investment

1:01:37

you can make? And then I know when someone's a business owner

1:01:39

like, oh, new technology or an

1:01:41

employee or like a virtual assistant

1:01:43

or whatever that is, that's just like business

1:01:45

owner stuff. And then I always write, oh, invest

1:01:48

in yourself.

1:01:49

I mean, you just invest in yourself.

1:01:51

And then so I just keep making bigger

1:01:54

investments to be in smaller rooms. But

1:01:56

the people in those rooms are making bigger impacts.

1:01:58

So if you want to call those.

1:01:59

networking groups or entrepreneur groups.

1:02:02

So

1:02:03

bigger investments, smaller room, people in those

1:02:05

rooms are making bigger impact. That allows me to

1:02:07

spend biggest investment

1:02:09

in smallest room, which is my family, where

1:02:11

I can make the most impact. So it's the same

1:02:14

formula, but everything to me is about

1:02:16

spending more time with my family. So

1:02:17

that's one. And then if you're not a litmus

1:02:20

test for people you serve, that's hypocrisy.

1:02:22

So

1:02:23

how can you expect people to make bigger investments

1:02:25

in you and your companies if you're not making

1:02:27

bigger investments in yourself? I mean, that would be,

1:02:29

that's illogical.

1:02:31

You can't, I mean, you guess you can, but how

1:02:33

can you expect people to invest in what you're doing

1:02:36

if you're not investing in yourself, making bigger

1:02:38

investments in yourself? It's totally illogical.

1:02:40

So which room has, I mean,

1:02:43

obviously taking aside family, because I feel

1:02:45

like that should hopefully be everyone's

1:02:47

answer. But aside from like your,

1:02:51

right, aside from that room, which room has

1:02:53

been like the most inspiring for

1:02:55

you so far? Well, I mean, I

1:02:57

think

1:02:58

one, the reason why we're talking

1:03:00

is because, well, one, I

1:03:02

don't believe in randomness, but your

1:03:05

husband and I met in abundance 360.

1:03:07

That's for those who can't see, that's the pad

1:03:09

I'm wearing. And then Dr. Peter Dr.

1:03:12

Peter Diamandis, who runs that group, he wrote the Four

1:03:15

for Epic Life. I'm very grateful for that.

1:03:17

He doesn't usually do that. So I'm very

1:03:19

grateful he did that. So,

1:03:25

you know, I mean,

1:03:26

people like you and your husband and

1:03:29

me were like the average human being in that room,

1:03:32

which I don't say that lightly. I mean, it's 400

1:03:34

of people like us.

1:03:36

So certainly abundance 360 summit.

1:03:39

The other group I spent a lot of time in is

1:03:41

a strategic coach,

1:03:43

very confident saying that's one

1:03:45

of the top, if not the top entrepreneur groups in the

1:03:47

world. Dan Sullivan and

1:03:49

Babs Smith co-founded that one of the

1:03:51

chapters in Epic Life is find your

1:03:54

Babs or have your Babs find you. I always

1:03:56

call my partner Mark Babs because I think it's

1:03:58

funny, but he's the, he's

1:03:59

He's the backstage genius who's going to build the company.

1:04:03

Strategic coach without Babs, there is no

1:04:05

strategic coach.

1:04:07

So those two groups, I

1:04:10

spend a great deal of time

1:04:12

in because it's

1:04:14

rooms where

1:04:17

not only do the people

1:04:19

understand what I'm talking about, but I like

1:04:21

to be the dumbest person in the room and those are the

1:04:23

rooms I can really learn some. That's

1:04:26

where the true learning. So are you able

1:04:29

to, I guess maybe put

1:04:31

your ego aside or not

1:04:34

have that sense of competition because some

1:04:36

people want to always be the smartest person.

1:04:37

No, no, no, no, no, no, no,

1:04:40

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, so that's

1:04:42

right. So

1:04:44

you're asking that for your audience, which I appreciate.

1:04:47

I appreciate that. A true visionary

1:04:50

would never want to be the smartest person in.

1:04:52

They would find another room. That's

1:04:54

why you keep making bigger investments to be in smaller

1:04:57

rooms, but the people in those rooms are making bigger impacts

1:05:00

and because they're making bigger impacts, I want

1:05:02

to be in the room where I'm making the least impact

1:05:04

because that propels me to make

1:05:06

more impact, more impact, more. You

1:05:08

never stop.

1:05:11

You never stop.

1:05:12

But, and then there's a huge difference between

1:05:15

arrogance and confidence.

1:05:16

So visionaries are confident

1:05:19

knowing that they're great at one or two, maybe

1:05:21

three things, and then they're terrible at almost

1:05:24

everything else. An arrogant person thinks they're great

1:05:26

at everything.

1:05:27

The arrogant person wants to be the smartest

1:05:29

person in the room.

1:05:30

The confident person wants to be

1:05:32

the dumbest or one of the dumbest or at least

1:05:35

midline because they're

1:05:37

confident that they're great at one or two or three great

1:05:39

things and then they can actually learn from the other

1:05:41

people, the other confident people in those rooms

1:05:43

that are great at one or two or

1:05:45

three great things. And then again, those are

1:05:47

the world, those are the world people,

1:05:50

those are the world.

1:05:52

Our conversation about politics just popped back

1:05:54

into my head. I can't wait to hear what you have

1:05:56

to say about that. Well, that's

1:05:58

the opposite of the rooms I have. I'm in. It's

1:06:01

the opposite. I think that's the problem too,

1:06:03

right? I ignore it. Nothing I can do.

1:06:05

It's a disappointless conflict. They're not gonna do anything.

1:06:07

So I just ignore it. I'd ignore it. Well,

1:06:09

it's how do you bring vision and change into

1:06:13

something that has been so stagnant and self-serving?

1:06:16

Oh, I ignore it. Yeah, I just ignore it. Pretty

1:06:18

much everything. So I guess the answer

1:06:20

is probably we have a lot

1:06:22

of people that have resources

1:06:25

and influence and hopefully they're able to

1:06:27

fund maybe certain people. I

1:06:30

don't know.

1:06:31

No idea. It

1:06:33

felt very discouraging when you're like, there's just

1:06:35

no vision there. I was like, well, hopefully

1:06:37

there is some or hopefully there will be

1:06:40

some because that affects so

1:06:42

much of

1:06:43

our day-to-day life. Oh, yeah. So

1:06:45

that's a great point. I

1:06:48

never focus on any of it. I just so like,

1:06:51

basically what a visionary will

1:06:53

do is they'll create their own world, their own economy,

1:06:56

their own network,

1:06:57

their own infrastructure, their

1:07:00

own purpose. So I just

1:07:02

ignore it.

1:07:04

And regardless of the policies or whatever

1:07:06

in place, I was at when I was on Dr. Brackman

1:07:09

show,

1:07:11

he's like, but you know, it's their world.

1:07:15

I'm like, well, I just created my own world. And then

1:07:17

again, it's fun going out into the human world

1:07:19

sometimes with the youth baseball

1:07:21

thing because you have to go out there sometimes.

1:07:24

But no, I mean, for the most part, I just talk to people

1:07:26

like us

1:07:27

and connect them and then ignore, you

1:07:29

know, 99.9% of society. I

1:07:32

just ignore it because those people are taking time

1:07:34

away from

1:07:35

taking time away from me and my family.

1:07:38

It's a pointless

1:07:38

conversation. And

1:07:40

I appreciate you saying you're discouraged. I'm not discouraged

1:07:43

by it because I just ignore it. Well,

1:07:45

that seems a lot more peaceful. Yes.

1:07:48

I mean, it is. I don't, I mean, for

1:07:51

me it is and people can do whatever

1:07:53

they want. I just choose to just,

1:07:55

and it's literally the only vertical I ignore.

1:07:58

People are like,

1:07:59

so.

1:07:59

Because like first company is a global PR firm,

1:08:02

but I was a journalist for 20 years and created

1:08:04

entire company based on how PR firms annoyed

1:08:06

me. So I have no idea what PR firms

1:08:09

do, they just annoy me. But like, they're

1:08:10

like, so

1:08:11

do you care what somebody does? I go, no, it

1:08:13

doesn't matter where they're located. It doesn't

1:08:16

matter what they do. Doesn't matter how

1:08:18

big companies, that's meaningless. It's like, are

1:08:20

you a visionary? Do you live in abundance? Do

1:08:22

you look at things as investments not costs?

1:08:24

But then I'm like, there is only one vertical. Ignore,

1:08:27

that's politics. I just don't,

1:08:28

I don't even think about it, ever. Unless

1:08:31

you bring it up, but then I'm like, oh,

1:08:33

I don't even think about it. Yeah, because when

1:08:35

you talk about visionary, I think the poster child

1:08:38

for that is an Elon Musk. Right,

1:08:41

he is an alien

1:08:43

amongst humans.

1:08:44

He's the alien, and he's one of the few people

1:08:46

I can think of that has far less empathy than I

1:08:48

do.

1:08:49

And I don't say that like, he has no empathy.

1:08:52

And that's fine, but like no, none,

1:08:55

zero empathy.

1:08:56

Really? No, zero

1:08:58

empathy.

1:08:59

No, no, no, no, no, because he doesn't care. Like

1:09:01

he does not care. So like,

1:09:04

I have endless empathy for people like

1:09:06

us.

1:09:06

He has no, I mean, I've been on multiple

1:09:09

shows where people have told me that they're like, oh, you're

1:09:11

like Elon Musk with a little more empathy. I'm like, oh,

1:09:13

thank you, I think. But like,

1:09:16

no, he doesn't care. And he has a singular

1:09:18

purpose, and that's great. I'm very

1:09:21

grateful for that. But

1:09:23

I do not want to be like that. That is not,

1:09:25

that

1:09:26

is not, I'm glad, like

1:09:28

his IQ's gotta be,

1:09:30

what do you think his IQ is? Over 180? You

1:09:32

think it's over 200? Is there a cap?

1:09:35

Like does the test- No, I don't think so. There

1:09:37

was like, the highest I think that's ever been

1:09:39

reported is like 230 something. I

1:09:41

can look that up.

1:09:44

But he's definitely over 160. I mean,

1:09:46

that's not even-

1:09:48

I feel like he's probably immeasurable.

1:09:52

Let's see. I feel like that test would not

1:09:54

work on his brain. 228, Marilyn Vasavant.

1:09:58

That's the highest IQ.

1:09:59

Louis, Missouri, and her last name was Savant.

1:10:02

Maybe that's where the

1:10:03

term Savant came from. Probably.

1:10:05

We both just learned

1:10:07

something. Yeah, that's what I like. Oh,

1:10:10

here's someone that says they had an IQ of 263. Oh,

1:10:13

God, that sounds horrible. Yeah,

1:10:18

I don't know. I feel like maybe

1:10:21

I feel like I see empathy with

1:10:23

him and his interactions and even the acquisition

1:10:25

of Twitter and him. I

1:10:27

guess where I was going with that is you have a pure visionary,

1:10:30

like someone who literally is trying to make

1:10:32

the human species multiplanetary. And

1:10:34

then he even got down in the mud with

1:10:37

politics because, you know, social media

1:10:39

was getting so crazy and so censored

1:10:42

and

1:10:42

he saw how it was affecting so many people. So

1:10:44

he just bought Twitter.

1:10:47

And I think he did that with a lot of really

1:10:50

good intention for people to create

1:10:52

change and to have some

1:10:54

kind of positive impact on the

1:10:56

political the way that we are doing politics

1:10:59

right now and the way that we're exchanging ideas.

1:11:02

And I mean, hopefully it works. OK, you're

1:11:04

going to get me to do this and that's fine.

1:11:06

That that's what it will take. So like

1:11:09

to change something like that. So like,

1:11:12

OK, let's just call politics a vertical.

1:11:15

OK. Yeah. Oh, and then let's let because

1:11:17

I see the world in numbers. So let's

1:11:19

let's compare palette. We're going to I'm going

1:11:22

to do this for you and your audience right now.

1:11:24

I'm doing this.

1:11:26

I am morphing my brain for

1:11:28

one second. It's usually the world that

1:11:31

you're well. Thanks. Well, then. OK,

1:11:33

so. In Colby

1:11:36

World again, KOLB.

1:11:38

So like a doctor who's a doctor, that's

1:11:40

like an 8 8 2 2. So that's like

1:11:42

a two quick start

1:11:44

playing not to lose, afraid to make

1:11:46

changes with an eight follow through. So

1:11:48

they'll just do the same thing over and over and over

1:11:50

and over. And then the first date is a fact

1:11:53

finder. So like fact, back, learn, learn,

1:11:55

but not actually taking action.

1:11:57

So I never talk to a doctor who's

1:11:59

a doctor.

1:11:59

unless it's my wife or her friends.

1:12:03

But I will talk to a visionary

1:12:05

who runs

1:12:07

a healthcare company.

1:12:09

I never talk to a lawyer who's a lawyer. That

1:12:11

would be the worst conversation ever, but I do

1:12:14

talk to an entrepreneur visionary who happens

1:12:16

to run a law.

1:12:17

I will never talk to a CPA financial

1:12:19

person

1:12:21

unless I have absolutely

1:12:24

no choice because they ask me the same

1:12:26

questions every quarter and they don't understand

1:12:28

what I'm saying. But

1:12:30

I will talk to a visionary entrepreneur

1:12:32

who happens to run a massive financial

1:12:35

break. Okay.

1:12:37

So I totally

1:12:39

ignore politics. However, of true

1:12:43

visionary, a

1:12:45

true visionary who could

1:12:49

potentially, I mean, this is, I

1:12:51

would never even think about this unless you kept bringing it

1:12:53

up, but a true visionary who could literally

1:12:55

change the entire landscape of politics, that's

1:12:58

somebody I

1:13:00

maybe might talk

1:13:02

to, maybe.

1:13:04

But that's what it would take

1:13:06

someone,

1:13:08

it would take a nine or 10 quick start, multiple

1:13:11

ones of them, because most politicians

1:13:14

have a law background. Like it's in

1:13:16

the United States, actually in

1:13:18

most of the free speaking world, they're

1:13:20

lawyers who become politicians. So those are 8822s.

1:13:23

They're

1:13:23

not running law firms, they're lawyers that

1:13:26

became politicians.

1:13:28

They're not playing to win, they're playing

1:13:30

not to lose. And then they're literally trained

1:13:33

in arguing,

1:13:34

winning their argument, not

1:13:36

collaborating. It's the opposite.

1:13:38

So this is a struggle for me to do. Wow.

1:13:41

But that's what it is. I mean, that's what it,

1:13:44

it's lawyers who are arguing. That's so

1:13:46

fascinating to, again, with a pattern recognition,

1:13:49

like duh, of course. So if you have all these people.

1:13:51

Well, that's what it is. Why would you focus on that? It's a nightmare.

1:13:53

Well, why would you want people whose

1:13:57

profession is arguing and playing

1:13:59

not to lose? to be because

1:14:01

it's humans voting for humans

1:14:05

that's what it is you so I don't

1:14:11

talk to

1:14:12

you if you look at elections

1:14:15

it's humans it's it's

1:14:17

I mean this is funny right but that's what it is it's

1:14:20

commercials appealing to humans who

1:14:22

stare when they knock on someone's door and their

1:14:24

dad is basically dead hey why

1:14:26

do I need to vote for that's

1:14:29

what it is so why why would I focus

1:14:31

on that but that's what most of

1:14:33

the world is so

1:14:36

it's a human voting for a human who's

1:14:38

trying to control humans

1:14:41

that's what it is yeah

1:14:43

so I guess you have to try to hope that someone

1:14:45

with that is a visionary feels

1:14:47

like they have no choice but to

1:14:49

throw their hat in the ring and

1:14:52

for the sake of of shaking the

1:14:54

entire thing up not someone who wants to go

1:14:56

there for argument's sake or to

1:14:58

win or to not lose or self-serving

1:15:01

or their worlds like they're making their

1:15:03

world better or instead or their life

1:15:05

better instead of the collective yeah

1:15:07

it's a mess not

1:15:10

my world

1:15:13

that was funny though so hopefully

1:15:16

that hopefully that context

1:15:18

helped and you did help me think

1:15:21

about it like why I ignore it at

1:15:23

a even higher level but no it's

1:15:25

pretty simple to just ignore

1:15:26

it can be and then sometimes

1:15:29

when you just see so much nonsense you're like this

1:15:31

is insane and I think that's probably what happened with

1:15:34

Elon where he's like this makes no sense I have to

1:15:36

do something like I have to do something to even

1:15:38

out the scales because right now it is so imbalanced

1:15:41

and this just is not working for most people most

1:15:43

people just don't even know that it's not working for them

1:15:46

they go on to social media and this is

1:15:48

reality

1:15:49

right well humans to the

1:15:51

there's one board that I

1:15:54

joined there's only because that

1:15:56

you know

1:15:58

I believe in it

1:15:59

so it's called the Wildlife Foundation.

1:16:02

And I'm not a financial

1:16:04

person. I don't really understand the intricacies.

1:16:08

So basically, the

1:16:09

foundation, and there will be major

1:16:12

capital and

1:16:13

major players behind this. So I'm very grateful

1:16:16

to be on the board. But

1:16:18

it will buy land from the rancher

1:16:20

or whoever owns the land, repurpose

1:16:22

a

1:16:23

good part of the land for conservation

1:16:26

purposes. And then there will be

1:16:28

tax credits or something. So

1:16:30

there are major

1:16:33

thousands upon thousands of really

1:16:35

important land in the United States.

1:16:37

And it'll help

1:16:38

grizzly bears and elk and wolves.

1:16:41

So basically, we're creating

1:16:44

our

1:16:46

own ecosystem

1:16:48

and conservation space.

1:16:51

But we're just

1:16:54

doing it. So that's how

1:16:56

people like us can

1:16:58

really affect change

1:17:00

without politics at all. I

1:17:02

mean, it has nothing to do with

1:17:04

politics. Yeah, just

1:17:06

go through the private sector, which seems to make way

1:17:08

more sense anyways. 100%. Yeah. Well,

1:17:12

Justin, this was amazing. I love your brain.

1:17:14

And I love your

1:17:16

mission. Where can people follow

1:17:19

you and buy your book and anything

1:17:22

that you might be working on that you want to let the listeners know

1:17:24

about?

1:17:25

I can't wait to listen to this again, to hear

1:17:27

how your brain... No, because that's how I actually...

1:17:29

I'm like, oh man, wow, that was really

1:17:31

fascinating to hear that. But the book is called

1:17:34

Epic Life.

1:17:36

Again, very grateful Dr. Peter Diamandis,

1:17:39

who's one of Elon's best friends, by the way. He wrote

1:17:41

the forward.

1:17:42

He interviews Elon all the time. And then again,

1:17:44

that's Abundance360. That's how I met

1:17:47

your husband. So very grateful for that intro

1:17:50

for us, from him. So

1:17:52

Epic Life, it's all over the world. And then

1:17:55

I guess the main site is brepik, L-L-C

1:17:58

dot com, B-R-E-P-S.

1:17:59

I see LLC done.

1:18:02

Well, awesome. Thank you again. It was wonderful

1:18:05

having you. Tremendous, tremendous

1:18:07

interview. Thank you. And that's it

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