Podcast number 4 features an interview with Travis Sutherland. Travis taught me the ways of sourdough bread making when he asked me to help him open a pizza restaurant in LA called Delicious Pizza. We discuss baking bread and pizza, he tells me about the scandalous world of olive oil and we talk about the pig leg in front of us. This chat contains lots of swears. Travis on Instagram is "groovyguru" and Delicious Pizza can be found at "deliciouspizzahq"Enjoy.Music by Thunderstrand.